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I think I fall a little bit more in love with @stephenfry everyday. http://www.stephenfry.com/blog... The girlf knows.
ilene and Kol Tregaskes liked this
Does @stephenfry know??? That is the question.
- Roberto Bonini
Let's all send him DM's and tell him! (KIDDING!)
- ilene
from twhirl
United win! Another clean sheet! Off to celebrate with pizza & wine... :)
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
[WEB / TIP] One of the Most Useful “Web” Tips I Have Ever Learnt: A Unique Password for Every Site. - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
OnuRC, Morton Fox, Bill Romanos and 12 other people liked this
Just like a different email for each site to track spam.
- Andrew Trinh
This is my default. Different password for every site and let firefox do the remembering (not the highly sensitive passwords though).
- EricaJoy
Thanks for this - personally I have a password db but I run a forum with a lot of inexperienced people who get their accounts taken over and then say 'But it's too HARD to remember a better password! It's not MY fault they stole my account!' This is something I'll be passing on to them.
- ilene
YES, this is a huge element of online ID security
- Susan Beebe
my tip is creating a diff password for every site by adding the name of the site somewhere in the password itself.
- sean808080
That's exactly what I do, Sean.
- Timothy Griffin
Just make sure you keep track of them or you'll end up like me
- Charlie Anzman
Cheers for the advice, Charlie -- I use Yojimbo to keep a note of them all :)
- Timothy Griffin
OH HAI! I iz just tanning! - http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view...
Zach Holmquist, Scott of Two Countries, sofarsoShawn and 10 other people liked this
LOL!
- Steven Perez
Citizen photo of Hudson plane crash shows Web's reporting power - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technol...
ilene, Maria Niles, Glenn Batuyong and Robert Scoble liked this
The citizen reporters true power wont show up for another few hours till the silly conspiracy theories show up :)
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Hudson river plane crash nyc - sources, all collection up to date, now krunch'd at http://krunchd.com/hudsonplane
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
macro- blogsearch has in general 270 macro blogs on this story ; compared with maybe 100.000 twitters on this, extremely slow as expected ; btw, coincidence that google took down 4 of their services today??? maybe they needed new server space for * this* [did google/nasa crash the hudson plane ?? [cp 2.o theory]...
more...
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Silicon Alley Insider deserves credit: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009...
Bill Romanos, Thomas Hawk, bcultral and 4 other people liked this
No Qiks yet? I guess he didn't jailbreak his iPhone. ;-)
- Rutger Blom
Nice they cited a twitter source
- Nicholas James
The people who took the photos and gave them away deserve more. Credit, that is.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: credit flows uphill. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Man decorates basement with $10 worth of Sharpie | Heraldleaderphoto.com - http://www.heraldleaderphoto.com/2008...
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Scobleizer - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
Mark Dykeman, Internet Strategist, Chris, Taskerrific Guy and 20 other people liked this
Love the Blog post Robert
- Tyler (Chacha)
Thanks! Screwed up the title, which said Loic and Mike are wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Nicely said.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Wouldn't any tweetrank algorithm include the number of followers as a component at least?
- Todd Hoff
Nope ...
- Tyler (Chacha)
todd: why would it? Number of followers is totally irrelevant. It doesn't show anything other than that twitterer is popular. In fact it would decrease the relevancy of most tweets. It should NEVER be applied globally and even if you could study it in a micro way it probably introduces more noise than it's worth. There are far better ways to find the most authoritative tweets.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not at all interested in the total number of retweets or likes. Why do I build up a social network? Because these are the people I trust, so I would be much more interested in a search which considers my preferences in the past (people I follow, people I share likes and comments) to a much higher degree than other random peoples likes.
- Peter Hoffmann
Peter: right. The people you follow are much more important. But the people following you? Irrelevant.
- Robert Scoble
The Number of Followers couldn't be included for the simple fact that in an infinite universe where anything can happen, the number of followers could affect the results in a bad way. The number could get so big that you end up messing up the system. Might not be probable, but true
- Tyler (Chacha)
@Peter, but if people you follow got their tweets retweeted/liked, wouldn't you like that to be at the top?
- Tyler (Chacha)
Authority and popularity are most definitely not the same. So, it depends what one is actually trying to find. If finding authoritative information is the goal, then one search strategy and set of parameters is required. On the other hand, if the underlying goal is enhancing the scope of one's broadcast outlet, then Loic's strategy and priorities seem to be correct. Ultimately, there's no right or wrong answer, just depends on what you are actually trying to achieve.
- Michael Krigsman
Chacha: what does what you just asked have ANYTHING to do with the number of followers you have? It doesn't. But I like your idea.
- Robert Scoble
I can settle for being off-topic and having a good idea :P
- Tyler (Chacha)
Nice post. Your example about supply chain management was good. For something about Seesmic, you would be first and not Loic, if twitter follows what he says.
- Ramkarthik
Followers could be mapped to inbound links, which is a part of pagerank and can be gamed etc. The system has to be smart enough handle gaming in any case. Inbound links is an indirect measure of quality for the page. So since FriendFeed is mentioned frequently by you and you have a number of followers it seems reasonable to infer you should be higher in the search results. Pick another subject where your keywords/categories are less dense over time, like politics, and I would sort you lower.
- Todd Hoff
I love twitter/friendfeed and the like because I don't have to care about 1 particular person - the communities as a whole tend to bring me what I need. I wake up each morning and clear my tweetdeck "all feed" and just go from there. The creme rises - it's not like blogging. It just comes to me and the more I follow, the better content I get....
- George Smith
Why does any search on Twitter have to include identity metadata? If I want information in Chinese Supply chain management, do I really care who the information comes from, as long as it is accurate and verifiable? Loic and Arrington are just creating another popularity contest.
- Bob Blunk
Bob: I disagree. @liamcasey's information on the Chinese Supply Chain is going to be a lot more accurate and verifiable than mine will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it think that what is relevant is for me to decide when I am performing the search. I am looking at this from a user standpoint. When I google "chinese supply chain", I don't add @liamcasey to the search string. And neither do I expect to see his tweets as the only result for the search.
- Bob Blunk
Bob: no one is saying his tweets should be the only one. It's just that you should be able to look at it through the metadata. His tweets on the topic will probably get retweeted more than mine, for instance, and also thanks to http://www.peoplebrowsr.com I can tag him as expert on Chinese Supply Chain, so shouldn't that bias the results when you search for Chinese Supply Chain tweets?
- Robert Scoble
this is certainly a problem with Twitter search from the beginning, I don't care about the popularity contest behind the search rankings, I only want accurate information.
- Bob Blunk
regardless of how comprehensive Twitter search is done, I hope that Twitter is not behind it. An independent company needs to design the search and peoplebrowsr would be my choice.
- Bob Blunk
13,000 people think Facebook is going to start charging in 2009. Please DO NOT invite these folks to FriendFeed. Idiots.
Tyler (Chacha), James D Kirk, Steven Perez and 48 other people liked this
It's just a hype; I think every service got this stuff. Wait a few weeks, maybe month, and nobody remembers. I've seen this in ICQ over a decade ago.
- Uwe Schwarz
Uwe: yeah, I just think it's funny that some people will believe the lamest crap just because it's on the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
I just remember "Wag The Dog": "the war is over, I've seen it on TV". Same story, many people just believe instead of asking.
- Uwe Schwarz
You can count me in for not inviting them over here!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Robert these 13000 people would not know what to do on Friendfeed and leave in less than 5 minutes of signing up.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
this isn't the first or the last group like it, it's a good indicator of which of your friends are morons.
- Richard Lawler
Eldon: I hope I don't have that many idiots following me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How about emails like these: "Bill Gates/Nokia/whatever will donate <something>, if this message is sent to 1000000 people". When I get something like this from some friend, I get disappointed on him/her...
- Jemm
there are 100 of these groups each week... everyone ignores them (well everyone important anyway ;))
- Thomas
Funny thing is - facebook is probably worth $3.99. Although I notice the French says $3.99 per month which would be a bit steep.
- Matthew Neale
but wait, i thought hotmail was closing the free service unless 2 million people add group Z ?
- Matt Randles
These groups are as old as Facebook itself. All they do is prove: heavy Facebook users = lemmings. :p
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I love you, Robert!
- Ladybug Heather
Wow, now it's at 18,000.
- Michelle Martinez
There will always be a VIP group of sorts... back when Facebook started it looked like early adaptors were joining over there. Then came Twitter, now Friendfeed. If Friendfeed gets too mainstream (if that's possible) I'm wondering what's next.
- David Bisset (sn)
Why would they do that? They are already getting tons of money from sponsors and advertisers. Duh!
- Shevonne
@David: In the Web 2.0 world, there's bound to be something new and already in the works. I wonder what it is too, but I'd be surprised if it's not currently under construction, or even ready to launch.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I wouldn't call them idiots. If they believe it, they believe it. So if it happens are the non-believers idiots? Hmmm
- Bwana ☠
:/... I doubt it will happen. They get enough money from advertising surely.
- ralphsaunders
This was the funniest quote I've seen microblogged in a while! Of course how many of these people use to (or still do) pay for Classmates or Reunion, so naturally they believe this garbage.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Reminds me of the false rumors a few years ago about AOL, Yahoo, and MS planning to charge for email to eliminate spam. Move on - nothing to see here.
- Mike Doeff
It's already 39,265 members in that certain group…
- Daniel Schildt
One thing to notice in this compared to older rumors is the amount of speed people notice it.
- Daniel Schildt
I might join and post something saying "Suckas!"
- Shevonne
40,000 now. Wow. I kind of enjoy the silly little worries of people.
- Daniel Zarick
wow. morons. Everybody knows that friendfeed's not gonna start charging until 2010!
- Jim Will Miss SP
@Jim - Facebook
- Shevonne
Shevonne... yes, I know. I was referring to Scoble's original post where he urged us not to invite them over here.
- Jim Will Miss SP
@Jim - We should. We would probably scare them from ever using the Internet. hahaha
- Shevonne
Shevonne -- good point.
- Jim Will Miss SP
These are the same idiots who are worried about being charged per email. I don't think they'd know what to do with friendfeed even if they were invited.
- Mr. Gunn
I wonder how many are over the age 0f 17. How many of voting age are in the group of 13,000.
- Franklin Pettit
I swear that first sentence just made my blood pressure shoot up 20 points. The second sentence rapidly lowered it. I have a few people added who unfortunately take everything forwarded to them as fact. They will never get an invite. This is my hideout from the people who shouldn't be allowed online.
- ilene
Chris, the group is not about pro features. They claim there will be NO free access to FB after Dec 31. Quite a different thing...
- Ray Metzen
And the group has 56,000 members now! Amazing... :(
- Ray Metzen
More than ever… 91,481 members at the moment of writing.
- Daniel Schildt
LOL, yes! Go go go!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Amen
- Tyler (Chacha)
Gmail Now Supports Managing Tasks - http://blogoscoped.com/archive...
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Interstellar, Czar, Varun Mahajan and 10 other people liked this
""Google has added another Labs feature to Gmail: a quick todo list. To enable it, log-in to Gmail, click Settings -> Labs, check Enable next to the Tasks feature, and hit the Save button at the bottom. When Gmail reloads you will find a new link titled Tasks at the left hand side below the Contacts link. Click it, and a todo box opens in Gmail. You can now just click an empty area within it and start typing. For any given mail you receive, you can also pick “Add to Tasks” from the “More Actions” menu. Another way to add a todo list to Gmail is to use Remember the Milk’s gadget.""
- Susan Beebe
it does not beat rtm for gmail
- Mike D.
I guess this is nice--task management is crucial. I suppose this will eventually show up on mobile devices that support Google (iPhone, Android etc...). There are already alot of very evolved task managers: RTM, GTD, ToDo, Toodledo. In comparison--this seems a little lame. OK--it's "in the lab" ....
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I don't like RTM only because you have to pay for the iPhone/Touch version. If you offering a different Device format, it should be free. I think there are better ways to monetize
- Tyler (Chacha)
I used to use Franklin Planners ($50+-/year)--if I don't use some kind of task management system--I can't function effectively. $10 for Todo synced w/ Toodledo on iPhone is a tremendous bargain to me.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
50 Excellent Digital Photography Photoshop Tutorials | Tutorials | Smashing Magazine - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008...
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Meliha Tila Sadık, Ian May, Chris Rivait and 5 other people liked this
"Adobe Photoshop is the industry standard for digital-image editing and graphics creation. Photoshop’s versatility makes it a popular choice among Web designers, graphic designers, digital media artists, print designers, photographers and other professionals in design and image-editing. Whether you’re designing a business card or website or digitally enhancing an image, you can rest assured that Photoshop will give you the necessary tools to get the job done. In this article, we focus on tutorials on digital photography. You’ll find an assortment of top-notch tutorials that deal with applying post-production techniques and effects, color correction, enhancement and photo retouching. So fire up Photoshop and try out some of these wonderful tutorials on your own photos!"
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
New Blog Post by @monaaa: Facebook and Its Partners - What Are They Up To? http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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10 Reasons why Twitter is for you and FriendFeed is not - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
Reuben Thum, Rui Pereira, Sasha Kovaliov(.com) and 104 other people liked this
This is called Stripe Lining in sales. Let's see who bites.
- Elisa
oi vay, this must get at least 100 comments; carries some weight given your FF rock star status as you note; you're obviously not expecting an Xmas present from your FF buddies this year, looking forward to seeing their retort...
- Bob Sonin
the problem with twitter is that it's an addiction. Just when I think that I am out, it pulls me back in. It's the simplicity. I primarily use FF, but twitter fills in the gaps. There is a place for both, but more people should jump into FF. Although my wife is still unsure of twitter, so I have my work cut out for me. How bout that post Robert? "10 reasons why email/SMS is for you and twitter is not." :-)
- Bob Blunk
The complexity is what gets me, but really only between Friend Feed and Twitter. There's a feature to autopost to twitter here on ff, and I turned it on and forgot. All of a sudden I've got like a million tweets about my last.fm and google reader stuff. Not to mention that a post direct to twitter went circular.
- adam garrett
hilarious!
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
I just spent a little time watching your real-time feed. Clearly, I cannot follow anywhere near as many people as you do. I get lost in the flood of data.
- DGentry
Because, of course, more features makes a service better. Right? ;-)
- Brent Newhall
I loved this line: "You can’t handle that, which is why Twitter is for you. Any service that has a tutorial on how to use a feature is just not for you."
- Daniel J. Pritchett
HA! Great reading, Scoble. I lol'ed. Seriously, I did.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
my fave "d. You can “Comment” on an item. Here’s my comments. More than 6,000 of them. You really don’t want that kind of distraction. You might have to participate and that wouldn’t be good."
- ernie yacub
6. How to DM on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/e... otherwise, good post. Funny.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Scoble already stated in a previous post that DM'ing sucks, anyway. I don't think a service is going to implement full email-like features when that's not even the point of the service. People can just use email or IM.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
lol
- David Cook
My point wasn't about the merits of DMing, just that it's possible in friendfeed, but it's the friendfeed way.
- ·[▪_▪]·
I love this ... where's Dave Winer? hahahaha!
- Susan Beebe
It took me a second but good read Schoble.
- Nation Hahn
It slays me when people say Friendfeed is more complicated than Twitter. Investing maybe half an hour in setting up Friendfeed *the way I like it* made it highly usable and simple for me. There is nothing I can do to Twitter to make it useful for me except investigate third-party apps and I don't have the patience for that.
- Laura Norvig
I like how twitter reminds me of birds tweet tweet #11
- sofarsoShawn
I can't help but love this post, but I do still tend to agree with some others that Robert is a tad too belittling at times. Most of the time I'd just say "man the f*ck up," but in this case it's actually a little confusing as to why Robert is so condescending at points.
- Tyler Hayes
from twhirl
Funny sarcastic post. Gets the point across. Note: in that tutorial, please explain what a 'meme' is b/c it took me 2-3 weeks to figure that out. (**I have no problems admitting my huge learning curve!!**)
- Amani
Those are all good reasons, largely narrowing down to Twitter is >SHOCK< simpler than FF. Which is excellent. They both rock for their own reasons.
- Clay Newton
#11 FriendFeed won't let you change your background image. You love that on Twitter you can put links to your blog, linkedin, etc., in an image instead of tempting them to navigate to there with a real link or distracting them with your superfluous activity from those places.
- Daniel Sims
These are all good reasons... but still. I have met many people that just don't get Twitter. They shout out in space and wait for people to hear them.. - noone does... after a few days/weeks they think its lame and leave never to return. As soon as you understand RSS, Friendfeed its all simple... but the main reason I vote for FF mainstream attraction is the threaded conversations. Everyone can enter "Best of day" and instantly be part of a conversation with others without feeling as an outsider.
- Peter Efland
Summing up.... the tech aspect of FF might be more tricky, but I think the social aspect is easier to get for newbies.
- Peter Efland
So much sarcasm bundled up into one post. Gotta love it. "...why Twitter is for you and FF isn't" http://is.gd/aFOl (via @scobleizer)
- Chinkerfly
Do you agree with Robert that FriendFeed is way too complicated for most social media users? ;-)
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
FriendFeed has layer upon layer of usefulness. I've been using it a *lot* for the last few months and I still learn new things now and then. Once people start using FF there's often an 'a ha!' moment and then things pick up.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
That's just the reason why FF is for me and not Twitter
- Uwe Schwarz
I don't actually get Twitter, I use it,but only to simultaneously feed into FB and FF.. (espcially wihen I'm mobile). I rarely hit the site to read since the ppl that I want to follow also feed into FB which I find much more my cup o tea.
- Kelly W.
I still like using both... FF is my place you can find and read everything and twitter is more like a notification service of my online and other activities.
- tomit
Alright, I laughed : ) but I'm not sure this was such a great idea.
- Jeremy
I love the twist on this article. We need more people falling in love with FriendFeed. More people = more variety of content. As of now, it's too tech centric. I think as more people grow more comfortable with 'feeds' this service will go mainstream. Right now, people are just getting the value of commenting in Facebook. I think that's funny. :/
- Patrickometry
Heart of Satan - What it looks like when fireworks explode inside of a storm cloud over a river / Stuck in Customs - http://vi.sualize.us/view...
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RAPatton, ilene, Jason Wehmhoener and 6 other people liked this
Excellent
- Denis
Great Twitter Information- - http://mashable.com/2008...
Uh-oh. @louismgreen just started following me on Twitter. This could get confusing. Any other Louis (insert color here)'s out there?
Sarah Perez, Rob Diana, ilene and 3 other people liked this
Louis Black
- Stephan Miller
from fftogo
How To Tell If Someone Is On Twitter Too Much - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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endiaferon, Atul Arora, ilene and 5 other people liked this
That is absolutely hilarious.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
RT @erich13: SocialMedian is, in Tumblr on steroids. I'm reallying liking socialmedian. It aggregates, plus much more! http://www.socialmedian.com/erich13
Igor Poltavskiy, ilene, Louis Gray and Rob Diana liked this
Google Chrome Claims Facebook May Be A Phishing Site (Update: Safari Too) - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
Tyson Key, Lu Tao, Anthony Farrior and 7 other people liked this
"Conspiracy theory lovers are going to have a field day with this one: when you try to access Facebook using the Google Chrome browser today, you’ll get a warning that the social network may in fact be a phishing site."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
I've gotten this warning display every time I view my friend's Myspace profile page. Could she be phishing!? Could I be the catch?!
- Terence
The warning is not about facebook.com - it's actually stemming from an element being served from one of their CDN domains - perhaps it shares/shared an IP with something nasty?
- Anthony Citrano
Live like a Hobbit: Hand-Build an Earth Sheltered House For $5,000 - http://greenbuildingelements.com/2008...
M F, Abdelhadi, Sunny Lam and 30 other people liked this
This incredibly cool hobbit-like house was handbuilt for just $5,000. Make your own with minimal tools. Some assembly required.
- Chris Baskind
from Bookmarklet
I can see that as a weekend cabin maybe... but not a primary residence. Unless it was built for considerably more than $5,000 and included basics like electricity and plumbing and better weatherproofing.
- Jeremy Brooks
It's like camping.
- Chris Baskind
from IM
Good to have instructions for the post-Apocalypse.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
awesome!
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Want!
- Nadine Schaeffer
looks cozy to me - whose got the toast and tea ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
so cheap
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Good luck getting it past code.
- Dave Bonta
WANT!!!!!
- Ladybug Heather
BBC NEWS | Scotland | Tayside and Central | Tobin guilty of schoolgirl murder - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1...
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"Peter Tobin has been found guilty of the murder of Falkirk schoolgirl Vicky Hamilton, who disappeared more than 17 years ago."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
What the data miners are digging up about you - http://www.newscientist.com/article...
ilene and Morton Fox liked this
Good stuff - but I hate pages that have their body text hard up against the left edge, without any margin at all . . . makes good stuff harder to read.
- Chris Loft
Anoushka Shankar - Concert for George - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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@cagedether: I think it's funny that you all think Twitter is winning over FF. FF is growing faster than Twitter did and is younger.
VC Freak, Svein Håvard Djupvik, Brad Kligerman and 28 other people liked this
How is growth being measured?
- Cory
Is the comparison even relevant? FF is so much more.
- Nicola Quinn
Cory: how fast they got to 100,000 users. FF got there much faster than Twitter did.
- Robert Scoble
How do we even know how many users FF or Twitter has? Do they release numbers or are these all EWAG?
- Brian Sullivan
"FF is to Twitter as ESPN is to Football"; it's not a 0 sum game, both can win. 1/2 the content I consume on FF is twitter
- Bastard Operator From FF
One could argue that a primary reason why FriendFeed is growing faster than Twitter did is because Twitter didn't have its own Twitter to give it a kick start.
- Akiva Moskovitz
HI Mr. Scoble, hope you enjoy Barcelona. My grandparents are from Austurias, I adore Espana!! Viya con dios mi amigo!
- Enriqueta
Wow, great points by Nicola, Sean, and Akiva...!!
- Harold Cabezas
i first heard of FF on mashable--within Facebook, btw--http://bit.ly/tou5. it sounded cool & thought i'd check it out. i immediately thought it was a killer app. twitter is great, but i really think ff is almost an essential add-on to it. reason: i rarely used twitter before ff b/c it was so disorganized. it made my brain hurt trying to keep everything together. most people i know are on facebook, if anything, so i had a real hard time finding who 2 follow on twitter. not a problem w ff!
- Brendten Eickstaedt
It's like saying pepperoni is winning over pizza. They are complementary.
- Louis Gray
I use both. They are complementary. More success to both services.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
++++Louis.
- Kamath (नमः)
I think it's funny that people insist on even having these conversations and people like Robert Scoble like to fan the fire despite the fact that FF and Twitter aren't really direct competitors to each other and offer much different services with different endgames in mind.
- Mattie Kenny
Although FF and Twitter are not competitors, given the finite amount of time we each have eventually users trend toward whatever they prefer and reduce usage elsewhere. They ARE complementary and those who are serious about SM will continue to use both.
- Internet Strategist
IMHO - there will not be a single winner in SM or "microblogging". There will be broadly adopted high traffic services - but also a multitude of niche services from local, self and group based "networks".
- Brian Roy
If they're competing for our time/attention that sorta... you know... makes them... what's the word I'm looking for... oh yeah... competitors. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - kinda, but by that definition they are also competing with YouTube and Hulu. Everything is competing with everything else for our time... not a great definition of competitor...
- Brian Roy
I didn't know that FF and Twitter were competing. I think both of them fill different needs.
- Bob Blunk
I agree w/ Peter: they work more synergistcally w/ the other rather than against, though I believe FF benefits more.
- sofarsoShawn
I don't get what Twitter can do that Friendfeed can't -- how are they complementary? Twitter strikes me as a weak subset of Friendfeed. I must be missing something obvious -- it wouldn't be the first time.
- Sean McBride
As soon as Friendfeed involved a @reply type of thing, it will be completely superior. Its very annoying not being able to direct messages to people not following you
- Tyler (Chacha)
@Sean McBride: see Tim O'Reilly's post http://bit.ly/802Q - Twitter is so lightweight and lends itself to be extensible. that's the power of simplicity. it's not weak, it's just different than FF. FF excels at aggregation. Twitter excels at one-to-many short broadcasts. think SMS. the advantage of Twitter over Friendfeed is its mainstream popularity, developer support, and extensibility...
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- ~C4Chaos
@c4chaos: Amen
- Bob Blunk
Chaos - thanks for the explanation. I think I get it now. Less is more. Extreme minimalism rules in certain domains. Twitter is very swift, fleet and lightweight. Friendfeed is too bulky for certain kinds of social communication. When Tim O'Reilly speaks, I listen. (He is one of those guys who is much smarter than I am.)
- Sean McBride
Lots of good points here. I agree they are somewhat complementary - Friendfeed helps me listen to my friends who are hooked on Twitter and too, um, late to the party to get Friendfeed yet. But measuring growth by how fast they got to 100,000 users? Well, that's one way, but what about loyalty, frequency and volume of use, etc.? I'd be interested to see those stats too.
- Laura Norvig
This conversation right here is the exact reason why FF is surviving but not killing Twitter, they are both quite different but at the same time use each other, or at least FF uses Twitter. You can see what I mean by reading this huge conversation, find one of these on twitter.
- Brendon Wadey
Ok - I am still not quite on board with Twitter. Simplicity in part means to me the fewer programs the better. Anything I can do in Twitter I can do in Friendfeed (I think). FF is quite competent at handling very brief text messages. I don't feel motivated to use Twitter.
- Sean McBride
It could also be determined by the person, as in if the person started using Twitter and then came over to FF they would still be using Twitter more then FF, and so forth the other way around. ?hmm
- Brendon Wadey
Twitter seems to thrive on all the gaps it has. It just waits for everyone to come along and build apps that fill them.
- Jon Gosier
from IM
Yea such as Pownce being very slow, which makes it hard to use.
- Brendon Wadey
Well said Brendon.
- Nicola Quinn
Thanks :)
- Brendon Wadey
I think FF needs to be able to while importing Tweets, search for a FF user with that Twitter Stream, so I tweet @chacha102, if it finds 1(only 1 user) with that Twitter stream, it would update the link in FF to link to their Friend Feed profile.
- Tyler (Chacha)
FF has no directs or @replies like Twitter. Other than that, and not counting SMSs that are not global, it's a superset to Twitter's functionality built on a much stronger foundation. Yes, they are complementary. I like FF better
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Why the competition?
- Jesse Stay
As our Thanksgiving Saturday begins to wind down, we look out across a Paris skyline under an intense snow storm. Like icing on the cake.
ilene liked this
Happy Thanksgiving from an ex pat in England. It's interesting to celebrate it abroad - I've had to ask overseas visitors to bring tinned pumpkin and it gets rationed till the next visit. It sounds a beautiful scene in Paris tonight.
- ilene
My favorite "Thanksgiving in Europe" moment seeing the French confronted with a pumpkin pie. It doesn't go over real well, but we're making strides. Have fun.
- Brad Kligerman
Ah yes, the pumpkin pie moment... 'It has real pumpkin in it?? Ewww! That can't be nice!' I've managed to convert a few, but I still figure it'll be another 10 years before I can buy tinned pumpkin in the shop. I think I'm going to try substituting butternut squash next year.
- ilene
Are you on FriendFeed and NOT in the USA? http://friendfeed.com/grahame... wants to subscribe to you. Leave URL here:
Dimitar Vesselinov, Kamilah Gill, Micah Wittman and 23 other people liked this
Graham is looking for some good FriendFeeders who are not in the USA. Me too. Leave your URL here. Like this: http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
yep.. http://friendfeed.com/asfaq.. am from Mumbai and helped spread the Mumbai attack news on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/asfaq..
- Asfaq
Yah, I'm in Australia :) http://friendfeed.com/jjproje...
- jjprojects
http://friendfeed.com/sanjays... Am in Chennai, India
- Sanjay Subrahmanyan
http://friendfeed.com/wyattpe... - another Australian
- Wyatt Peak
Damn, Scoble. You're fast! :)
- Graham English
Graham: I thought it was a great idea! Already I found a bunch of cool people to follow.
- Robert Scoble
http://friendfeed.com/warrens... - AU :-)
- Warren
This turkey from Turkey ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
http://friendfeed.com/ircubic I'm a Norwegian :)
- Daniel Bruce
Jansen http://friendfeed.com/jansen @ Hong Kong
- Jansen Lu
Anyone from Barcelona? I'll be there Sunday.
- Robert Scoble
http://friendfeed.com/grumpym... - another Warren from Aus
- Warren Butler
http://friendfeed.com/ilenea - UK :)
- ilene
Robert: You're telling me! Holy tidal wave. :) Love it!
- Graham English
From New Delhi, India http://friendfeed.com/narendr...
- Narendra Nag
I'm in China - http://friendfeed.com/perrywh...
- perry whitecage
Parth Awasthi, India - http://friendfeed.com/parthaw....
- Parth Awasthi
http://www.friendfeed.com/pdenlin... In various places in China
- Paul Denlinger
In Canada, http://friendfeed.com/bmancre...
- Brendon Wadey
http://friendfeed.com/jongos In Uganda, Africa
- Jon Gosier
twitterer from bangalore http://friendfeed.com/prakashf
- Prakash
from Greece http://friendfeed.com/nikan
- Nikos Anagnostou
New Zealand! http://friendfeed.com/simiana...
- Jonah Merchant
from Bangalore, India http://friendfeed.com/maheshcr
- Mahesh CR
Toronto, Ontario, Canada http://friendfeed.com/elastic...
- Tara
Singapore: http://friendfeed.com/dregar
- Andre P. Siregar
Canada... is that too close?
- Ken Morley
Mexico!... http://friendfeed.com/jorgeav... - technocrat....
- Jorge Avila
ITALY: http://friendfeed.com/cgrassi - Christian Grassi
- Christian
Melbourne, Australia: http://friendfeed.com/d0tski
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Representin' UK http://friendfeed.com/matthar...
- Matt Harwood
Philippines: http://friendfeed.com/jackst
- Jack
In Canada but English: http://friendfeed.com/worldof...
- WorldofHiglet
Another Aussie - http://friendfeed.com/thegadg...
- GadgetGuy
England - http://friendfeed.com/adean
- Alan Dean
Romania/Italy http://friendfeed.com/limmoni... - Monica Muntean
- Ioana Monica Muntean
Russia, if you want :) http://friendfeed.com/lawlesz
- Vitaly Pimenov
Alberta, Canada http://friendfeed.com/micahwi...
- Micah Wittman
Toronto, Canada: http://friendfeed.com/shey
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
http://friendfeed.com/gaz4695 Gary from England :-)
- Gary
India - Bangalore http://friendfeed.com/itsmeri... - Ritesh
- Ritesh
Robert, I've not seen a single Spaniard here, and I've been looking. Don't know why!
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
http://friendfeed.com/nobabe and hi, from austria - vienna / viennawoods
- Margit Hinke
Salzburg, Austria http://friendfeed.com/kohlhof... (sound of music town)
- Alexander Kohlhofer
Kuala Lumpur http://www.friendfeed.com/thechan...
- Carolyn Chan
Netherlands http://www.friendfeed.com/dehaasp... - Peter de Haas
- dehaaspeter
Germany http://friendfeed.com/binderm...
- Mirco
http://friendfeed.com/berryg - Dutch entrepeneur from The Netherlands
- Berry Groenendijk
http://friendfeed.com/santiro... - Madrid, Spain
- santiromero
Barcelona, Spain - :-)
- eduardo
I'm in Canada. http://friendfeed.com/tanath
- Tanath
http://friendfeed.com/pandemia Italy :)
- Luca Conti
http://friendfeed.com/chantal - Toronto, Canada
- Chantal
Hi! Alberto from Milan, Italy http://friendfeed.com/dottavi
- Alberto D'Ottavi
https://friendfeed.com/thesliv... from the UK
- Simon Lucy
http://friendfeed.com/davemac Melbourne, Australia
- David McDonald
http://friendfeed.com/aadjemo... Delft, Netherlands
- Aad 't Hart
http://friendfeed.com/koltreg... - Kent, England
- Kol Tregaskes
http://friendfeed.com/sveinhd Bergen, Norway
- Svein Håvard Djupvik
London - http://friendfeed.com/jonprice
- Jon Price
Berlin, Germany - http://friendfeed.com/berlini...
- Roman von Contzen
This feels like a party! Hi from Greece: http://friendfeed.com/past
- Panagiotis Astithas
Athens, Greece: http://friendfeed.com/ageor
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Athens, Greece http://friendfeed.com/talos -Vicki Kolovou
- Vicki Kolovou
http://friendfeed.com/bhavish... - I'm in Birmingham, UK
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
From Turkey.
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
http://friendfeed.com/ekimkaya (Istanbul, TURKEY)
- Ekim Nazım Kaya
http://friendfeed.com/andreas... Berlin, DE
- Andreas
http://friendfeed.com/nicolaq... In the UK, south, on the beach.
- Nicola Quinn
http://friendfeed.com/ianlipm... ... UK, East Anglia (it would be good to get some UK feeds, had enough of US politics now!)
- Ian
Why do you want to subscribe to people you do not know?
- Divided By Zer0
London UK
- Dave Nattriss
http://friendfeed.com/vmlemon - I'm somewhere in North Yorkshire, in the UK
- Tyson Key
http://friendfeed.com/mindaug... in Vilnius, Lithuania
- Mindaugas Dagys
http://friendfeed.com/loshavr... I'm currently in Liverpool, UK
- Adam
Toronto, ON http://www.friendfeed.com/goggles...
- Rick Jessup
http://friendfeed.com/larsvedo - Vancouver, Canada
- Vedø
Divided: why do you want to read a newspaper made by people you don't know? Or buy a car from people you don't know? Or eat a meal made by people you don't know?
- Robert Scoble
http://friendfeed.com/motionb... - Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
- Chris Luckhardt
Milano, Italy, http://friendfeed.com/slowfin...
- Slow
http://friendfeed.com/philhel... - Philip Ferris - Cornwall, UK
- Philip Ferris
A large part of the membership of The Life Scientists room is non-USA.
- Mr. Gunn
http://www.friendfeed.com/carlmor... from Cardiff, Wales, UK
- carl morris
http://friendfeed.com/didicha... - Israel
- Didi Chanoch
http://www.friendfeed.com/timbear... - London, UK. Not sure what a 'good' friendfeeder is though, LOL
- Tim
http://friendfeed.com/ernieya... - north wet coast of turtle island, courtenay, canada
- ernie yacub
http://friendfeed.com/shedali - london, uk
- Franz Sittampalam
http://friendfeed.com/vinko - currently living in Hong Kong.
- Vinko
http://friendfeed.com/divedi - Bulgaria, Europe - Dimitar Vesselinov
- Dimitar Vesselinov
The half life of a conversation on http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... is going WAY down. Discuss here:
Bill Romanos, Bertrand Doux, April Russo (app103) and 28 other people liked this
I've noticed that items of mine get TONS of comments and "Likes" but only for about an hour or two. Then they just stop getting comments. That behavior is MUCH different than earlier in the year. I believe it's because there is a LOT more flow here lately, but also the algorithm that pops things up is much different than it used to be. Is anyone seeing that?
- Robert Scoble
This really has some deep implications for journalism and blogging brands. It tells me that you are better off doing a ton of short posts, along with a few long ones to keep your brand "meaty" than doing only long, meaty posts that take a long time to write and consume.
- Robert Scoble
I think you are just less interesting... Ooooohhh... Look something shiny, bye!!!
- Brian Roy
What do I mean by "Half Life of a Conversation?" Well, in the old days of blogging one conversation could bubble along for a week, or longer. If a conversation would last a week, the half life would be half a week. Today conversations only last a few hours.
- Robert Scoble
Folks are getting worse at filtering/hiding the noise or caring less
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Interesting. I wonder... have you noticed any corresponding change in the half life of comments on your blog? Are they getting shorter too or staying the same?
- Marcel LeBrun
Brian: that might be true. Not because I've changed, but because the media landscape on the Net itself has changed. In past couple of days I've put up some really interesting stuff, though. But it just doesn't "stick" the way it used to. Why not? Have you watched my RealTime feed? Every second or two there's a new item. Shiny or not, you'll pay attention to the new stuff.
- Robert Scoble
There is a concept called "spreading yourself too thin". It may be causing this. That is what happens when you try subscribe to the entire Firehose or as I call it here in FriendFeed, the Water Main. /snark
- Rolf Schewe
What were we talking about?
- Chris Baskind
Marcel: same effect. I rarely get comments on my blog after a day. In fact, almost always, old comments are spam.
- Robert Scoble
lol@Chris +1
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
content online now is more disposable than ever, here today, gone in 15 mins
- sean percival
Rolf: what I'm noticing is that all of us are being spread too thin and I think that has deep implications for people trying to build audiences online.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: exactly. The funny thing is that everyone who is commenting on this blog has built a brand in my head (reputation, credibility, engagement, etc). How did you do that? By interacting with me over thousands of news items. THAT too has deep implications for news distribution and brands too.
- Robert Scoble
That's very interesting - I have been wondering this myself lately - just intuitively - where the attention span or half life of a post is trending. I may do a little analysis on it since I do have commenting stats available for millions of blogs in a time series, I could probably see if half life is changing. Are you noticing changes in the volume of comments or just the time span over which they occur?
- Marcel LeBrun
Maybe everyone is following your advice and subscribing to larger and larger numbers of people, increasing the flow and increasing the competition for mindshare?
- Brian Sullivan
By the way, have you noticed how I use both FriendFeed and Twitter to start a conversation? Look at my Tweets: http://twitter.com/Scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Marcel: volume of comments is going up, time span over which they occur is going down. It's like a mob comes by, then leaves.
- Robert Scoble
I hardly get ANY comments on friendfeed, ever. But I can always join an active conversation and have interaction that way.
- Christian Burns
Brian: that is VERY possible. I wish we had some way to study the behavior of crowds here and on Twitter. Unfortunately just looking back at the data is very difficult.
- Robert Scoble
Christian: I just looked at your FriendFeed and didn't see much I could engage on, or comment on. If there were, I bet you'd get more comments. Note my call to action, "discuss here:" -- that's the secret to getting people to engage on your FriendFeed items. Also, some things are just facts "I'm eating dinner" and some things start conversations "I hate eggplant."
- Robert Scoble
personally I think the most interesting question is what are the implications of everyone being conditioned with this model as their expectation for consuming information.
- Brian Roy
Re: comments. Useful blog posts of mine get comments for months and months. Commentary on something someone else does, not as much. I think it comes down to how much value you are adding to the conversation, especially as distribution and discovery get easier through things like Friendfeed.
- Sam Pullara
It is almost as if conversations are becoming more circumstantial or opportunistic and less intentional. Like this one... I didn't plan to come here and talk, but I saw you comment go by my IM feed and it was a topic I have been thinking about... so jumped in.
- Marcel LeBrun
Robert: Indeed. I proposed a revamped comment/reply system in the FriendFeed Feedback Room to possibly help alleviate some of this (in my opinion). Formal relationships between comments and replies. i.e. reply links after each comment. Replies can show in your feed and be archived. No ambiguity with message prefixes or lack thereof for whom they were directed. More control. Conversations can be more concretely mapped. Not a cure-all but can be helpful I think.
- Rolf Schewe
Robert, re: your comment to Broan on some way to study the behavior of crouds... if you could measure/trend anything you wanted on twitter to study this behavior... what would you want to measure?
- Marcel LeBrun
Interesting discussion. Twitter is a great way to spread yourself around, but 140 characters is hardly enough to build relationships. Taking the time to actually speak to one on one to most followers may have benefits in the long run.
- Jim Sparrow
Its interesting to see the life and rebirth of articles here, but I agree Robert, I rarely see content older than a week rise to the top again. Its very much like Digg in this way. Its too bad becuase its easy to miss some gems here without them getting community promoted a few times. Lately I've been clicking through to people profiles and viewing their likes/comments, finding lots of good older stuff here. Thanks for pointing this out on your own feed a few times. Its like curated aggregation. :)
- sean percival
Stuff is falling off quickly and I do think that has to do with the quantity but I wonder if here on FF there is a bit of a stigma to drag up something from a week or older.
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: same effect is happening, like Sean noted, on Digg. TechMeme blocks old articles from showing up again. Twitter? Yeah, right. YCombinator? New, new, new. Slashdot? New only, pretty much. Google Reader? New only. This isn't a FriendFeed only thing, it's just that FriendFeed is where a lot of people are showing up and it's increasing the flow so I'm noticing this effect.
- Robert Scoble
I was intrigued by your inital video on the topic. An interesting perspective, and one I agree with (even blogged about it!). Than said, I think overall internet activity/interaction has been especially slow this particular week due to the holiday.
- faryl
[sidenote:I've noticed what you've done by combining twitter with friendfeed to fuel conversations , and it's actually what pushed me to give ff a deeper look. The challenge is, as a new blogger, I'm leery to risk duplicate or over-tweeting resulting from ff updates. Still trying to find a system that works!]
- faryl
faryl: yeah, that's a problem. It's why I only post top-level FriendFeed items to Twitter. It's interesting, though, that the two audiences are often the same but people answer me first mostly on Twitter. I find that interesting too.
- Robert Scoble
I definitely agree - conversations survive for a short while - 1 to 2 hours tops. So, you're idea makes great sense and is really good advise. Chart the activity and you'll see most conversations die down within the same hour they were created. Folks are moving on to other "hot" items much faster now. Also, more people here, rooms have exploded in use, so all these fragments, including new FF Lists, will change user behavior, including conversation half-life stats, i.e. user interaction around 1 post
- Susan Beebe
Regarding what I'd study, I find it fascinating watching how a news article spreads from person-to-person. I'd love to watch a specific URL go through the social networks on places like Twitter or Facebook or here. I'd love to study how long an item continues getting conversation and whether that time is changing over time. But I'm not sure what else I'd study.
- Robert Scoble
I read this several days ago when you posted it, and I thought i would wait a few days and then post to see if I could extend the half life a bit. Guess what happened? I forgot about it. This is one of your better articles, and we are drowning in information. I like to read something, and spend some time thinking about before commenting, but now it seems like if you wait the conversation might be over! My reader fills up several times a day with over a 1000 articles. It's crazy. Nice Job!
- Michael Fidler
Good question. As behavior changes, perhaps FF can add something similar to FFholic and Best-of to keep interesting conversations alive longer. (a) A combination of "real-time" with your "x likes, y comments" idea (b) Maybe we need to revisit the "super-like" or "read me" idea - only 1 super-like per day
- Mitchell Tsai
I'd be curious what time of day and what days of the week were most 'popular'. I'm mostly online after work and mostly catch up on the day's postings in the evenings. Not sure how typical or not my activity is.
- Helen Hoefele
Perhaps if we (FF) were able to add the IM notification activation after you post a comment on a post, that could help sustain those stronger conversations. That way you could continue to be notified even if you weren't the originating author and allow the discussion flow to continue.
- Amani
Read the correspondence between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams to appreciate how far we have fallen in the domain of sustained and interesting conversations. That's one point. The other point: Friendfeed seems to be recapitulating the development of Usenet in terms of increasing compartmentalization and specialization (rooms are equivalent to newsgroups). Perhaps one needs specialization to develop a sustained and meaningful conversation.
- Sean McBride
Robert, it's pretty much typical to all forms of news, it has a currency of 30 minutes then it's superseded. If you want to have a more engaged conversation, then you have to control the medium fully, you can't have it both ways with FF comments on your blog etc. Quality wins most of the time.
- Bob Sonin
Sean: I'm pretty convinced that you can only have a meaningful conversation with three other people. More than that and the conversation starts falling apart.
- Robert Scoble
Bob Robot: I agree that quality wins. The problem is, where do the curves between cost to produce cross with the curve of readers? Obviously as I spend more to produce an item I will get more readers, but it is not a straight line. Compare $1 of time to produce an item vs. $15 vs. $100. I bet that spending $5 will bring me the most readers and that spending $100 will get me more, but won't get me 20x more. So, why should I spend $100 worth of metaphorical time?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: interesting, your theory of threes for the limit of optimal conversations. Sometimes two really strong minds exploring each other's differences and contrasting thoughts in an area of mutual expertise can produce the best conversational results (which is why my mind flashed to Jefferson and Adams).
- Sean McBride
Sean: try it out someday. Sit at a table with three other people. You'll probably have good conversations. Add a fifth person and it starts to bifurcate. Get to seven and it definitely will. Have 70? Noisy room.
- Robert Scoble
the volume of an expanding participants pool, the urge to be noticed by being the next 'early adopter' paid in terms of followers, a desire to show your passionate/on top of it all run run run. Hurry. No time to linger. Got another thought to share. Dedication means you need to keep moving
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
Agreed with Susan and Sean: more people = more conversations, fractured off into different areas. Perhaps the real question is whether the discussions on Twitter, Friendfeed and increasingly most blogs are really what we call "conversations"? A conversation requires talking and listening; it's easier to talk than ever, but harder to listen.
- Taylor Davidson
Robert, only you know the raw material costs and benefits involved in production but if you are building a trusted, credible brand, you need a mix of $1, $10, $100 items. The cost/profit will look after itself if you stay true to the brand and what it offers consumers. Focus on the totality of the offering and make sure you are getting supported by those who products/services you are supporting, or else don't. Quid pro quo.
- Bob Sonin
Bob Robot: that is exactly what I told the Washington Post's online crew when they had me come in and show them FF and Twitter. It's hard advice to stay true to, though, especially in a world where $100 items disappear within hours.
- Robert Scoble
It's the right thing to do and you will be rewarded in time; people have been and will continue to pay up for the perspective/insights of thought leaders in all sectors.
- Bob Sonin
I would say FF and Twitter have to a large extent reinvented the BBS and chat room. When people have a free few minutes during the day, they read their FF or Twitter feeds, bang out a comment or two and go back to their jobs or lives. We are becoming chat room moderators.
- Steve Wilhelm
I have noticed that almost every time someone new subscribes some existing items get liked or commented on. Now that just about everyone in the world is already subscribed to you - maybe you are missing that effect? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: I see all. I'm actually watching this all happen with multiple accounts too. I think it's because I'm too noisy as well. I click so many "Likes" and "Comments" that I'm pushing my own items out of view very quickly. If I were smart I'd stop clicking "Like" on other people's items so that my own items would appear in more people's accounts for longer.
- Robert Scoble
Also, I'm watching from my other account and I see that things don't pop back up to the top because they are getting activity the way that they used to. That's a HUGE change in FriendFeed's "bump" algorithm.
- Fast Company
Yeah this post no longer bubbles up for me either-- in fact it seems to have disappeared from my main feed-- even though there is a lot of activity on it (and my activity as well) and not much else happening. It would seem to indicate that some sort of algorithm change.
- Brian Sullivan
Even if the algorithm hasn't changed it would seem to clearly be deficient.
- Brian Sullivan
I remember somebody from FF once indicated that after a certain number of comments/likes the bubble to top activity was suspended. We seem to have reached that here. I think that part of the algorithm sucks. Clearly a post only 2 hours old should not die.
- Brian Sullivan
I have missed a lot of good posts because of this, Brian. It makes no sense. An item is getting activity....so we bury it? I only saw this because it was posted on Twitter. To comment on the half-life of conversations: I tend to comment on stuff that was posted within the last day. Older then that, I probably don't bother. Not really a conscious decision, it's just how I came to operate.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Good discussion. Two different issues seem related here. 1) How long a discussion stays "active" being defined by new comments. 2) Visibility of original comment and following comments. Best of feature is potentially rich tuning tool here to discover best, deepest convo. Agree w/those that suggest this is an attention issue, however, relative visibility (one to all others) is driving comment opportunity because of visibility, or not.
- Dave Martin
As Steve Gillmor always says, Track. I think that would go a long way in mitigating much of the noise as well as the reply upgrade needed on FriendFeed that I mentioned earlier in this thread. It won't be solved by one single tool or feature. This has more to do with how we manage these mass conversations.
- Rolf Schewe
Conversations are an outlier to the GTD method. Think about it: it's not tidy to go back and have a conversation. We get in, comment, and get out. We might go back if it's something we have a passion for, but otherwise, we stick around, see who says what, and we run for it. Phone calls don't last for weeks. Is this the new phone? (Answer: yes).
- Chris Brogan
Rahsheen: the "Best of" Feature here on FriendFeed keeps these popular conversations around for more than a day. That's where I'm now visiting first in the morning. I think they separated out the "pop up" behavior to over there, because it was confusing people about why they saw some items over and over. I actually like the new behavior more, but it does cause the the conversation half life to go way down. We'll just have to find ways to bring it back up. I'm playing with them to find best practices.
- Robert Scoble
The interesting thing to me is that the longest thread around is this one which discusses the short life of threads. Perhaps it is just that this is really chat on a board in the old sense of Compuserve rather than anything that is really new. The board may be broad and diffuse in its topics but it is a board. From BBS to BBS in twenty years.
- Simon Lucy
I think this has come about because the tools to keep up with the conversation have lagged behind the tools to facilitate the conversation, if that makes sense. When following the tragedy in Mumbai, scanning through the hundreds of Twitter updates each minute, I realized it was impossible to follow as a conversation as 1) the noise of having so many sources, and 2) the inability to ascribe a viewpoint to those sources made it difficult to feel engaged as anything more than a voyeur.
- Ryan Toohil
as Jeff suggested on Scoble's "Lurker..." thread, "time of day" has a lot to do with the sustainability of a FriendFeed conversation --a function of when the original post was made in relation to the actual number of people online. An interesting measure would be to see how many times a conversation can make the journey around the globe, staying alive as prime conversation time turns with the sun...
- Brad Kligerman
If the intensity and sustainability of discussions on Friendfeed is dependent on skimming only the most recent posts at any given time, then this model of group communication is flawed and operating at a primitive level. A serious discussion can easily span days, weeks, months and years, but the user interface has to promote that kind of consciousness and concentration. Rooms based on special interests are a start.
- Sean McBride
Just joined friendfeed so I'm lacking experience to comment on ff convos. however I see this shortened half-life phenomenon happening in both twitter and regular blogging, even facebook. I try to keep up with the conversations but if I don't post a comment NOW then tomorrow or the next day, the dialogue on that post is probably over. w/o doing any research, I have a guess that the average normal buzz on any topic/post is between 8-24 hours. and then people move on.
- Jenn Castro
@Robert - funny how you were talking with the Washington Post's online crew about Friendfeed and twitter. Just this past SUnday I was walking the sports editor through the steps to use twitter (via Tweetdeck) so she could tweet with us during the Redskins game.
- Amani
As someone still fairly new to FF, I am still wondering at what point would contributing a comment get you labeled as a necromancer. I am usually afraid to comment on anything older than a day out of fear that either nobody will read it or even worse, dragging up "old stuff" will annoy people. Personally, I don't mind others dragging up old stuff if there is something relevant to contribute, and I am a part of many communities that feel the same.
- April Russo (app103)
But I am also quite aware that it isn't the norm and that the majority of communities have an unwritten protocol that "forbids" adding to a conversation after a certain span of time. I don't know what that time is around here. Hopefully I haven't crossed that line by contributing to this conversation.
- April Russo (app103)
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