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Don't call me Shirley. - Russellreno

Bada-bing! - Chris Baskind

even advertisements are longer than 12 seconds nowadays! - Imran Hussain from feedalizr

haha.. we've actually got a pretty decent 12second pitch I think. We were actually talking about something like TechCrunch's elevator pitch idea, but you only get 12 seconds :-). Don't know if someone has offered you an invite yet, but let me know if you want one. - Jacob (1 of the 12second Founders) - Jacob Knobel

i just realized how awesome that'd be to meet him. I wonder how long before he would get sick of people running away from him after 12 seconds. - Bartek Ciszkowski

Chris: I already read TechCrunch so didn't need a pitch. But, seriously, we talked about this service on our Photowalk on Friday. Consensus is that this might be interesting to watch. I will watch it once the hype dies down and see who uses it for what. - Robert Scoble

I hope for his sake that nobody comes up with the idea of "11seconds.tv". Why waste an extra second? - Jemm

Joni: I'm pretty sure we bought the domain name just in case :-) - Jacob Knobel

Jacob: How many founders does 12 seconds have?? - Imran Hussain from feedalizr

Imran: 2 main ones and then me - I've been there from day 1, but I head up the tech side of things. - Jacob Knobel

Not a bad idea if they can move the user base past the usual SV early adopters. Cool that you can upload from a cell phone. Another device agnostic platform - smart. Mobile is very early, but if they can keep up the business and make the audience grow, they could well position for future success/exit. - Patricia

Wouldn't 12 seconds be in direct competition with Qik for mobile? - Imran Hussain from feedalizr

Robert: I agree -- it will be interesting. Like you, my first thought was, "Twelve seconds?" Jacob: great to see you pop in. If I'm you, nobody gets to work on the project if they can't reliably pitch it in 12 seconds. :-) - Chris Baskind

I love 12 seconds. More fun than seesmic - David Jacobs

Imran: Not really.. qik is live streaming.. you're specifically going there to watch an event, interview, or something else happening. We're more short updates. Updates vs events - not really the same thing. A few of us here have or had qik compatible phones and we love the service! - Jacob Knobel

David: Glad you're enjoying it. On that note -- i don't even think we're in direct competition with Seesmic either - in the same way that traditional blogs aren't in competition with twitter. Rather, they compliment each other and serve different purposes. - Jacob Knobel

Liking this purely because a founder is taking part in the discussion! - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF from NoiseRiver

MiniMage: i've been a light twitter user, had a friendfeed account for a while, but never really used it. Today has really made me aware of how cool this service actually is and I hope to be on it a lot more. There's something really cool about being able to start conversations (usually with Twitter) and continue them with people that otherwise would be pretty hard to get in contact with. - Jacob Knobel

David: the feeling is mutual :) I've just started using my FriendFeed account today as well, and so far I'm loving the experience here. I'll give 12 seconds a try too, i think we had gotten 100 invites from you. - Imran Hussain from feedalizr

Oh you're so cleaver. I'm sure he's never had that happen before. - James Tenniswood

I'd be very interested in 12second's pitch. I've been in web video probably longer than most people in the internet business because of the IP telecom engineering background, and doing a ton in entertainment now. It'd be very interesting to hear it. - Patricia

I've been having fun with 12 seconds. Like it a lot. videos compatible with the the iPhone for playback would be cool. http://12seconds.tv/channel... - Capn' One Eye - adrift

Geoff: It's coming. It didn't make it into the feature set for launch, but we will be offering this feature at some point. - Jacob Knobel

i'm totally with you, scoble...i have a really hard time imagining any kind of widespread appeal for a video service with such a huge restriction on it. even back when i had a phone that supported immediate video upload, my videos were short...but considerably longer than 12 seconds! i really don't get it at all... then again, twitter seemed silly to me at first too. - Shawn C. Reed

hey robert... i'm the founder you didn't meet that night :) funny thing is I was waiting to have a conversation with you but you were being interviewed on camera and it was taking too long, so I split. ;) either way i'm totally stoked that this conversation is happening on FF. 12seconds is about video that's easy to make and easy to consume. It's about showing and telling your friends what's going on with you. That's it. Video should be accessible. Anything and anyone can be interesting for 12seconds... - David Beach

Well, if they talked as fast in person as I usually do, you could have gotten the guy's life story in 10 seconds and had an extra 2 to wind down in! ;) - Lucretia Pruitt

12seconds is a good idea, but where's the timeline? I want to see what everyone else is saying ... - Ivan Pope from twhirl

oh oh .. getting to predictable - Steven Hodson

Liked the piece Steven. I think there's more mainstream potential than you do. Commented on the blog. - Hutch Carpenter

Steven!!! Funny, I just did a Qik video about comment duplication and Kevin Fox stuff and it hits on this big time. FriendFeed needs a new UI. I keep trying to spread it and I keep getting pushback I never got with Twitter. The people who run FriendFeed aren't delivering noise-reducing tools, either, and insist that the noise is good (duplication from one micro-node of friends to another). I don't think they've done research with real users. - Robert Scoble

FF should steal some ideas from Digg on commenting. It should also steal some of Digg's recommendation features. I think an interesting addition would be to have most popular threads and discussions for the global FF network, among other types of recommendations. - Charles Ju

Fragmentation and duplication are serious ills of FF - oh how I wish we could tag a conversation so we could have unified conversations around a topic; but just think how LONG the comment thread would be...wow. Rich convo but too long?! - Susan Beebe

Robert, you "don't think" Kevin's done user research, or you asked him and he told you he didn't? Kevin, what do you say? - Jason Wehmhoener

I agree with Robert, Friendfeed needs a new UI if it wants to go mainstream. Maybe some sort of homepage like the new facebook profile. More noise-reductions tool would be good too. - Alejandro

Well, considering most people I talk to still wont use a feed reader, you may be right. I think part of the mainstream problem is that there are so many different services out there and friendfeed can potentially pull all of it together for them. For me, I want to be able to read blog posts, shared google reader items, digg articles, etc right here, I mean heck - there's an awful lot of screen real estate there to the right-hand side....let's have some AJAX-y fetching going on of the actual content. - Rob Neville

I think you're incorrect, Robert: mainstream people are not as interconnected as people are in early adopter communities. I think Kevin's got a point: let's say you remove the early adopter audience. Do you think one person's friends really cares what you, or me, or potentially 50 to 100 strangers think about something? They care about what they're friends are doing. Just look to real... more... - Mark Trapp

To my point, I really don't care that 500 other strangers shared a story, or that there were 80 comments with people I don't know talking about it. I care about the people I'm following. I want to have a discussion with people I care about, not strangers. I think the reshare and fragmentation facilitates that. If say, James Ferguson shared a story, I'm interested in that, because it... more... - Mark Trapp

well then we need a feature that locks out superconnectors who have, say, more than 50 friends. Or at least locks them out for, say, a day so that a micronode conversation can happen first. - Robert Scoble

I was watching Michael Arington's Stanford Startup School presentation and I think a good point he made was that after your site gets to critical mass, the comments start to become trolly and the community loses its close connection. I can foresee this being a huge problem for FF as it grows. - Charles Ju

Robert, maybe even if there was a way for the content producer to say "Do not allow friend of friend on this post." So, it becomes sorta like an on-demand private feed. You can still see it, but your like and your comment doesn't expose it to 15,000 other people. And of course, there'd be some visual indicator: could even use the lock icon like it does for full private feeds. - Mark Trapp

Mark: point taken...I suppose what I was getting at, although not articulating quite well now that I read it again is that I think the key for taking FF beyond us abnormal folks is to make it a one-stop-shop to remove the confusion of so many social interactivity services and feed readers, etc. I think FF has the capacity to do that with some tweaks. - Rob Neville

I agree with you Robert Neville; I apologize, my response was directed towards Robert Scoble. There's a few assumptions that I think we take for granted that's lost on most people: 1) privacy is an illusion, 2) we're all interconnected, 3) we spend an acceptably large amount of time online. No matter how true those sound to us, for most people, there's a lot of pushback. Which is why,... more... - Mark Trapp

I think Kevin (and FF as a whole) is correct in realizing the value of fragmented conversations. The issue here is that super-connectors with 20K subscribers are bound to expose those fragmented conversations (that otherwise would go unnoticed by the masses, as intended) quite often - all they need to do is 'Like' whatever random item that shows up in their feed. Not only that -... more... - Aviv

Best two lines in this conversation: "We're abnormal" [Mark Trapp] & "we need a feature that locks out superconnectors" [Robert Scoble]. The rest is just noise. :P - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

a more compelling UI would truly elevate FF...but then, that could be said about many Web apps - .LAG liked that

on the contrary, i would much rather have a service that is up and running all the time than a fancy prettified site that is virtually useless. the past few days, facebook has crashed my browser SO many times, the only time i go on is via phone. myspace? every since their overhaul i NEVER go there anymore - Mona Nomura

some of my favorite services are niche! - Ross M Karchner

I actually like the FF interface in its current form. It's lightning fast ( damn facebook is getting irritatingly slower these days ) and its UI is simple much more Googlesque. It's quite unique that its social graph is not bi-directional (like many other social networks), and it gives me tons of useful links and is gradually becoming where i come for personalized information discovery.... more... - Krishna Gade

Friendfeed will go mainstream when the applications that fuel it go mainstream (which might be a while). Whoever mentioned that people don't even get feed readers was right. Even among tech-savvy types (non-web), concepts like RSS and Social Bookmarking are still completely foreign. - Steve Spalding

*sigh* niche tools are so important both digitally and in meatspace - why does everything need to become mainstream to be viewed as a success - the majority of businesses and products in the world would be considered niche and in aggregate far out weight the aggregate of what would be considered mainstream - no disrespect to you steve for writing this post but anytime i see "this will never be mainstream" sentiments i can't help but think that its a myopic view - mike "glemak" dunn

FF depends on a whole lot of users using open services like Twitter Flickr etc. I know no one outside of tech who uses them. Most people are locked into the privacy world view and wouldn't dream of openly sharing their stuff. FF is SV/tech niche only. Sadly......... - Sean Kelly

Awesome. I'll tune in as much as I can. - Jonathon

Awesome, absolutely awesome, are you going to be up for 24 hours leo? - Andrew Fielding from twhirl

That's animal! Thanks for speaking Canadian too, eh. Ya hoser. :) - Rick Weiss from twhirl

Ha, I thought the FIRST video was Leo speaking in Kinadian. Funny stuff! - David Sky

I love it!!! - sunkenplanet from twhirl

ROTFL.. I think I hear J.R. Ewing. lolll - Hillary

That...was...awesome! - Anthony K. Valley © from twhirl

Mr. Pedantic says: 12 PDT is 1900 UTC ... - Byron Servies

Love it Leo! Nice way to amke use of the voices in your head. - Erin Kelly

To quote you, Leo, ..."oooouuuuuuwwwweee!" - BlueMoonMultimedia from twhirl

Heelarious, pee-in-your-pants funny. - Steve Lowe from NoiseRiver

pretty funny - Cee Bee