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Numan Çebi to Numan's feed, Design (Tasarım), Creative Design, Designers Who Design Things, Graphic Design, Graphics N' Design, Graphic, persian graphic, ART ROOMََََ, Illustration, Cool!, FriendFeed, FriendFeed for Beginners, Ücretsiz (Free), Ideas & Inspiration, RWW: The Future of Tech, TheNextWeb Forum, Typography, Web & Teknoloji, Wallpaper
FriendFeed "Like it! & Share it!" Wallpapers - http://onlayn.org/friendf...
Yasin {мιηι_мαℓιѕт}, Jesper Lind, Shevonne and 53 other people liked this
mükemmmel :)
- Burak Arslan
خیلی باحاله / Great
- AmirAli + i
Türkçeleri nerede :)
- Sinan İŞLER
@Sinan, istek olursa boş bir vakitte "Beğen, Paylaş" olarak yeniden düzenlenebilir.
- Numan Çebi
Slightly too bright for me, but they're beautiful. Any dark background? Deep dark blue is my favorite (see my friendfeed page for a hint ;) )
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
Awesome!
- AJ Batac
@Tanju, hayır. Photoshop ve Swift 3D kullandım.
- Numan Çebi
Çalışmalar çok hoş ama renkler çok göz alıcı. Arkaplan yaptım ama çok dayanamadım açıkçası :(
- Tuncay KINALI
@Tuncay, en beğendiğin duvar kağıdını, ekran çözünürlüğünü ve istediğin rengi belirtirsen halletmeye çalışalım.
- Numan Çebi
@Numan: Mine is 1280x1024 ... the Basic "Share It" is nice :-)
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
@Pandu; http://yfrog.com/5ipanduj ;)
- Numan Çebi
@Numan, Like It 3D, 1440x900, şimdiki renkten biraz daha mat pastel bir ton olursa çok hoş olur.
- Tuncay KINALI
süperler teşekkürler .
- Umut Çetinkaya
@Tuncay, http://img181.yfrog.com/i... | http://img513.yfrog.com/i... @Umut, rica ederim.
- Numan Çebi
2. yi en çok beğendim ((:
- Rıza Selçuk Saydam (RSS)
Would be cool to get the design originals. I really like these!
- Jesper Lind
6 Coolest Sites to Find New Tweeters - http://www.listropolis.com/2009...
Sardar Mohkim Khan, ImJustCreative, hurstel and 6 other people liked this
Thanks for sharing this :-)
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
Our pleasure.
- shaun mclane
from email
Skype 2.8 for Mac OS X is here. Better sound and video + screen sharing? Sign me up! (via http://friendfeed.com/garin...)
marx, Parth Awasthi, ImJustCreative and 6 other people liked this
Here is the landing page for the download: http://www.skype.com/downloa...
- Garin Kilpatrick
Ill be happy when they allow more than one video call.
- Joshua
When I check for Updates, I get: "No new update available. You are running the latest version of Skype." :/
- Parth Awasthi
http://www.karshaberci.com Türkiyenin İnteraktif Dev Portalı
- Emrah Aladağ
CSI Minifig Special Unit - Subject: 10 minutes old, Caucasian, Texas native. Cause of death: Sunlight and Texas heat.
Glenn Slaven, Carlton Prest, TheHenry and 26 other people liked this
:(
- Josh Haley
It's totally melting in the shape of the Virgin Mary. Prepare for a parade of worshippers to appear on your doorstep once these pix start making the rounds.
- Hookuh Tinypants
"You can't really...dust for [ice]."
- Hieronymous Boosh
I just love our Texas heat...and the humidity too. /*sarcasm*/
- TonyRetrobot
That looks like when people can see the Virgin Mary in grilled cheese sandwiches or something.
- Derrick
LOL Derrick, it does
- Edward Zwart
You should submit that to the Austin Statesman Project. hehe
- Mark Krynsky
Ouch.
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
LOL @ Sean's comment. That YouTube video always cracks me up
- Tamara
That video is awesome. I love it when they make fun of Caruso's one-liners on O&A. I bet this was put together by an O&A fan...
- Hookuh Tinypants
O M Goodness! I can't handle 7 minutes of those one-liners! I CAN'T DO IT!
- Josh Haley
Option + Click Menubar items gives you secret options. - http://www.macgasm.net/2009...
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Seth Greenblatt, BraGiu, Grant Gochnauer and 17 other people liked this
Anyone know of any others? These were the only three that did anything special for me.
- Joshua Schnell
Woah, if you option+click the finder icon you can hide the application that has focus. I'm going be option clicking stuff all day!
- Joshua Schnell
If you option click an icon in your dock it hides everything else but that application. Edit: I lied. First option click brings it to the front, and a second hides everything else. It seems to be sporadic. *shrugs*
- Joshua Schnell
The sync icon gives a couple extra options as well.
- Dustin Sallings
Try holding ⌘ and dragging those menubar items around as well.
- Matt M (inactive)
Matt, that's a great tip as well. I wish it worked for non-apple specific icons though. :(
- Joshua Schnell
I have a sneaking suspicion that the non-apple icons aren't using an Apple API (and that there probably isn't even an API available for that).
- Matt M (inactive)
Oguz Serdar to Oguz's feed, TheNextWeb Forum, Appetite, RWW: The Future of Tech, building43, FriendFeed Talk
9 Tools to Improve Your FriendFeed Experience – The Next Web - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Yunus Yalçınkaya, Zulkarnain K., David Holmes and 84 other people liked this
"Since Facebook’s acquisition of FriendFeed, the real-time feed aggregator service has drawn more attention than ever. It is unquestionably a wonderful service in itself, but some extra tools would improve your FriendFeed experience. Here are some of the most popular FriendFeed tools should help enhance your Friendfeed experience:..."
- Oguz Serdar
from Bookmarklet
Thanks for the post.
- Alp
Fabulous, thanks!
- Aline Ohannessian
Ooo Oğuz'cum ilk yazın çıkmış TNW ing.de. Hayırlı olsun. TR versiyonu da yakındır.
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
yakindir :) bu faydali projelerin gelistiricilerine tesekkur etmeliyiz her seyden once. listede olmayan diger faydali FF araclarini da Kol ilgili feedinde listelemis, bakmali: http://ff.im/75w9C
- Oguz Serdar
Hayırlı olsun ilk yazın ;) Arayı çok açmadan devamını bekliyoruz.
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
Ibrahim, sagol ancak cok mumkun gorunmuyor. :) Asil konuya odaklanacagiz, o konuda gelismeler var.
- Oguz Serdar
O konuda da takipçinizim, ekipte yer almayı isterim. Umarım en kısa zamanda ayakta olur.
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
harika araçlar bunlar. ffsms dahil :)
- orkunɀ
@Rahmi it is not 33%, much more than 50%. Some apps listed on this post are outdated (goes out of order sometimes) or just small scripts.
- AlpB.
+ffblockr (will be relaunched soon)
- AlpB.
I really like ffsummary mine is set on weekly ... i'll be sure to check the other sites and its really interesting to see developers in turkey working on projects for friendfeed already :)
- M.Bamieh
http://friendfeed.com/f2p is another nice mobile client. Nakamura-san does a fine job with it http://friendfeed.com/nahi I use it and it works great
- Robert Higgins
http://ffscheduler.com is pretty useful
- Outsanity
Cheating husband forced to wear punishment sign in town centre (Centreville, Virginia) #cheating #Centreville #Virginia - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
Kol Tregaskes, Tanath, Spidra Webster and 9 other people liked this
"A wife took revenge on her husband after she discovered he was having an affair by making him stand in public with a sign saying "I cheated"."
- AJ Batac
from Bookmarklet
Unfaithful husband forced to wear sign saying "I cheated. This is my punishment". Photo: Splash News
- AJ Batac
William Taylor stood shamed faced on a busy road with the large home made sign draped round his neck saying: "I cheated.This is my punishment." Taylor said his wife had come up with the humiliating punishment after she found out he had cheated on her.
- AJ Batac
The wife, who has not been named, found evidence of his affair on his mobile phone. Taylor, of Centreville, Virginia, said his wife had wanted him to stand with the sign for a week. But after a couple of hours he received a call to say his punishment was over. He told a local TV station in Virginia that he thought his wife was joking when she suggested the idea. "I thought she was...
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- AJ Batac
He began his punishment at 9am and two hours later received a call telling him he could return home.
- AJ Batac
He got by (too) easily...
- Jemm
Lucky?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
bustard? :D
- AJ Batac
Placing a mental star on this post ..........
- Martha
No scarlet letter?
- Don Schuetze
Social media. Where public humiliation makes you (un)popular
- AJ Batac
Experts: For losing weight, diet beats exercise - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...
Derrick, Alex Scrivener, ImJustCreative and 3 other people liked this
"In this era of widespread obesity, there's this familiar mantra: diet and exercise - to lose weight you've got to burn more calories than you take in. Except it turns out that it's not quite true. Exercise - whether it's a 10-minute daily walk or a three-hour bike ride over the weekend - may be great for heart health, stress relief, liver function and even brain power. It may even take a few inches off the waistline. But it's not a key ingredient to weight loss. "Is exercise good? Absolutely. But not because it burns calories," said Dr. Robert Lustig, a pediatric endocrinologist at UCSF Children's Hospital. "Diet is about weight. Exercise is about health." Folks are getting a lot of mixed messages about exercise these days. Some studies say just 20 minutes a day of moderate exercise is fine, while others say people need an hour of vigorous exercise most days of the week. A recent Time magazine cover story drew criticism for suggesting that exercise is pretty much useless when it...
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- Anne Bouey
from Bookmarklet
"The long-held belief that weight loss follows exercise would seem to make sense - you eat calories, you burn them, and the more you exercise, the more you burn. But it's not that simple, doctors say. For starters, not every calorie is created equally - the 150 calories in a banana are more useful to the body, and less likely to add weight, than the 150 calories in an ounce of potato chips. People should be paying more attention to what they put in their mouth than their exercise plan, Lustig said."
- Anne Bouey
That would explain the walking office ladies. They walk for an hour everyday at lunch, but never seem to lose any weight. You see them in the office scarfing down donuts, candies and all sorts of junk.
- Anika
Once again...it's not about losing weight. It's about losing fat.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Duh. An hour of walking only makes up for a single doughnut or maybe half a slice of pizza. Uncontrolled eating + controlled exercise = uncontrolled weight.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Good points, Cristo. Thanks.
- Anne Bouey
Friendfeed still here in a year? Yes or No?
Koray Gülpınar, alfred westerveld, David Cook and 25 other people liked this
I’m going to go out on a limb and say yes.
- Evan Brown
Yes. But I don't think new features will be implemented.
- imabonehead
FriendFeed with "improvements" ? FriendFeed as we know it today? Or friendfeed.com as a site? Yes, no, yes are my guesses. Two years no, no, no.
- Brian Sullivan
Yes, but that's just a guess.
- Antoniu
Yes, most probably more users
- victed
Well, very probably. But I don't think that I'll be here, myself.
- directeur
Yes, it will exist. And it will have more users. But with the expected demographic associated with the anticipated influx, I doubt I will be as interested in the service. For me, I'll wait and see who the Friendfeed community will be before I decide to invest further or cut my losses.
- Lorin Olsen
:) you've said that since Friendfeed launched directeur! :)
- Zee.
Zee ;-)
- directeur
what does ff have that others dont?
- Micheal Condon
That may be an indicator
- Micheal Condon
If people stop itching and moaning it will. If they don't I have a feeling there won't be any community worth it left.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
yes
- Mac Sharp
Friendfeed has always been about community and dialog. And I used the tool to test/sense the zeitgeist of tech luminaries that I respected. Twitter is a megaphone; Facebook is the shopping mall. I wanted Freindfeed to be the quiet coffee shop. But Friendfeed may now be over-run by a collection of nattering nabobs. If so, I'll go find a quieter shop where I can have deep and meaningful discussions. Disqus, anyone?
- Lorin Olsen
Easily yes, although "here" could mean "the website is still searchable."
- John E. Bredehoft
i hope so!
- Francisco Kemeny
Yes!
- Michael Fidler
yip
- Micheal Condon
I fear not. The equation is [FF = (feeds+people+conversation) * interesting]. If interesting people and contents will migrate in another place, all their friends will follow them. Since FF will be not mainstream, no other people will replace them and so maybe there's not reason to let this service open. I'm afraid about this, really, but I think that a cloud architecture could be the right place for early adopters
- Roberto
Yes if we all stick by it! Maybe.
- Matt G
It will likely still exist but the real question is if it will keep it's popularity.
- Stephen
Yes, it will probably be around. Will it be recognizable as the Friendfeed we all know and love? I am much less confident about this. :o(
- Seth Greenblatt
Yes, and hopefully with many more users than now, thanks to the fb acquisition.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Yes :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Yep.
- Akiva
No
- Alejandro
Yes, because they aren't treating it like a back-burner project: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
yes.
- Gus
yes... but we'll probably be using it differently.
- .LAG liked that
Give me 6months and I'll tell you, yes or no. For now yes.
- Gimminy
no
- Alex Scrivener
Yes.
- Robert Scoble
Yep - just like Del.icio.us is still here
- Chris Saad
A more thoughtful response here: http://blog.areyoupayingattention.com/2009...
- Chris Saad
Yes - still the cleanest way to have intelligent conversations.
- Alan Morris
yes - they serve different markets. Facebook is for keeping in touch with friends. Friendfeed is for sharing ideas with people who share similar interests but who you may have never met.
- Simon Hicks
Yes..It is going to be here as it provides a cusp of Twitter and Facebook.. as i see it so there is a room for it to stay here longer
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
Well I get the impression from Paul that it will be around for a while so I'd say yes but Facebook will gobble it up at some point (whenever the contract states). The team have been split up and thus fewer people are working and maintaining it. Let's hope some sort of FB Lite will accommodate us... but I doubt it.
- Kol Tregaskes
Hope so...
- David Cook
Maybe it will be integrated in facebook, but the innovations that friendfeed have will then move over to facebook, because they are awesome
- alfred westerveld
Friendfeed yes, the need to use it, no.
- Dani Radu
no
- Ali
How Posterous could be the next Friendfeed - pingmicro - http://pingmicro.com/how-pos...
Andrew Eglinton, sean andersen, Guy Vander Heyden and 38 other people liked this
Are you organising an exodus?
- Graham Sergeant
LOL. I won't need to, Facebook will do that all by themselves at some point. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
bies?
- Mitch
I think choosing another hilltop to hide at is not a good strategy. Going to do a lengthy post on this, hopefully this week.
- Michael Bravo
Why the sudden interest in Posterous? Its been around for at least a year already and as far as I remember doesn't have any of the community search and streaming conversation features that make friendfeed interesting.
- Rafael Robayna
I've used Posterous since the first day and I got to say that the developers are really great, so I think that Posterous will be something to watch out for.
- Svartling
Oh, and thanks for posting my post here Kol Tregaskes :)
- Svartling
No worries. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Of course you'll be seeing my Posterous posts here at FriendFeed. Twitter too. And even Facebook.
- Dennis Jernberg
Maybe Posterous will be bought by FB too...
- Gus
Probably not. Have you seen the new friendfeed yet? Facebook lite: http://pingmicro.com/breakin...
- Svartling
from iPhone
Brian - I was wondering the same thing. Posterous seems to be a good way to post *out* to other services, rather than have those other services feed *in* (or have I missed the point?)..
- Andrew Terry
Hiya, is there a way anyone knows of to set posterous to automatically import my new friendfeed items as they turn up? (don't really want to give them my password to see if pretending it's a blog works - pls tell me if that's the only way, though ;-) thanks
- immaterial
@svartling thanks, forwarding filter is a good idea - giving that a try :-) also trying via feedmyinbox to see if it's fast enough for more control over items
- immaterial
'nuff said.
Mike Nencetti, Johni Fisher, Rob Diana and 5 other people liked this
cool
- Will Boudle
Social media rocks!
- Oguz Serdar
Breaking Up a Traffic Jam! MUST SEE - http://www.metacafe.com/watch...
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BRҰANSAҰS, Shey, Vezquex and 76 other people liked this
"Sometimes a single driver can vastly improve traffic."
- AJ Batac
from Bookmarklet
I think I'll do this from now on
- AJ Batac
I had heard about something like this a while back. I try to do it as much as I can but jackalopes are always cutting in the space. Oh well.
- c.a.j.
Continue what you are doing Curtis. Don't mind those jackalopeseses
- AJ Batac
This philosophy collapses when you have real gridlock though; if all the lanes are clogged with stopped (or very slow moving) traffic and you try to employ this technique, you just end up pissing off the cars trapped behind you because you are going 5mph while everyone else is going 10.
- Phil Glockner
It's simply courteous and defensive driving. There should be space between cars for safety. And there's no reason to close ranks to not allow others in. We're all going in the same direction with the same goal. If you'd like others to be courteous, always be courteous yourself.
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Living in LA has totally colored how I drive now. I remember going back home to SD to see my folks and I was agog at how much more aggressive I'd become. :(
- Derrick
It's not cheating, it's just optimal timing :-)
- Todd Hoff
It's the rocket scientist like this that causes wrecks behind him and road rage. Slower traffic keep right is the law (for good reason). He demonstrates why he should stay in the far right lane, go about his business, and stop trying to "fix all of the traffic around him". What an ego.
- Robert Kenney
the most important part is really the end, where he says how this style of driving is actually calming and altruistic instead of infuriating and selfish.... geez, if everything felt that way we'd have less problems once people got out of their car, all frustrated and pissy.
- Nicķ
Simple math.
- Mike Reynolds
This is absolutely brilliant. I think I just found a pick of the week and it's only Tuesday.
- Josh Haley
This is the dude who did the zero cost steadycam using a tripod. Good stuff.
- Rodfather
I gotta check that out, Rodfather. I could put a steadycam to work. http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to...
- Josh Haley
I received a 404 error. There seems to be a traffic jam on the server as well.
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
It's kind of obvious.. stop and go causes problems (and wrecks), even if it does take you longer, it doesn't FEEL longer because you aren't gas/break/gas/break, so less stressful drive. On the flip side, you think this guy driving slow (and not keeping the traffic pace) will cause someone else to slam him in the rear?
- Tim Hoeck
It might cause more disruption with cars behind him moving into the other lane to pass him. Honestly, I can't stand drivers who leave a huge gap in front during a traffic jam. Josh, it's basically just extending a tripod and holding it in the middle :) http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Rodfather
Interesting: "Governor Bush vetoed 2005 SB732, which would have reserved the left lane for passing, saying that drivers blocking the left lane are 'cautious and careful.'" - from "State keep right laws" http://www.mit.edu/~jfc...
- Micah
So, his basic tactic, albeit in a single lane, is similar to what I see highway patrol officers do when they want to SLOW DOWN traffic -- the highway patrol car swerves back and forth from fast to left to right lane and back and forth, lights ablazing, effectively doing two things -- creating a BIG GAP between the cop car and the rest of the traffic in front of him, and second SLOWS...
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- Pete D
A few people already mentioned it above, but let me also say that this technique will not work in heavily trafficked roads. I've spent time in cities like Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta, Bangkok and you just can't leave a large gap between you and the car in front of you. First they will get filled by other cars really really quickly, and second you will just piss off the cars behind you.
- Andre P. Siregar
My wife and I debate this, because I sometimes do this myself. Stop and go traffic seems silly, when throughput would be higher if people left enough space between cars to absorb some of the braking. The website at http://trafficwaves.org/ is interesting, especially the link to http://www.ur.umich.edu/0304... that claims single-lane jams would be radically reduced if >=20% of cars had adaptive cruise control.
- Matt Cutts
Meh. I just do whatever gets me to my destination fastest #aggressivedriver
- LANjackal
kinda like why people are requested to exit in an orderly fashion during a fire. The only hindrance to this is getting over the feeling of being taken advantage of by the jackasses who ignore the order. But no pain no gain and you have to live with that for the greater good.
- vijay
I practice a type-A version of this in non-stop-and-go traffic, I'd call "driving Parkour", basically, I tend to drive over the speed limit, but I leave large gaps, and when I need to slow down, I avoid hitting my brakes and try to led friction/drag slow my car down before I have to hit my breaks. I look far ahead and try to plot out if I need to switch lanes in order to maintain speed...
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- Ray Cromwell
Clarkson eluded to this in his unique crass manner, don't brake and drive clever. Save everyone money.
- Toby Graham
the biggest cause of traffic jams are the idiots who don't get in lane and bimble along in the middle lane without any plan to actually overtake anyone. I've seen people when there has been nothing on the inside lane and yet they won't pull into it as they should. This is even more obvious when you consider that articulated lorries aren't allowed to drive in the outside lane, meaning...
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- alphaxion
( ++ alphaxion for 'bimble'. Loving that :D )
- vijay
The roads imho would be better if more drove this way. I was, however, waiting for some kind of shocking thing to happen in the video.
- Rob Schieber
I agree ashish. I "liked" this just so I could watch it later on my laptop. shouldn't have to do that.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
This is actually an impressive use of game theory/backward induction to determine an optimal strategy. If this guy isn't a mathematician or work for the highway department, he should be.
- Mark Trapp
i do the same here in Rome/Italy since 1998
- FullSite
Great to see this taken up again - I've been doing this since I first read his site years ago...
- Kevin Marks
I always keep lot of room in front of my car for my safety but I think it takes lot of room and creates longer line.
- Ashish
While the line may be longer the actual distance you travel isn't any greater; you use less gas; your breaks will last longer; you're less likely to be involved in a crash and in fact it has an almost negligible affect on your travel time. Yes it is "slower" but on my 50 mile commute the difference is maybe a couple of minutes.
- Eoghann Irving
I agree Eoghann Irving. Wish everybody thought like this.
- Ashish
+1 Pete Delucchi. I do agree it's probably better for your mental health to drive this way. Assuming you don't mind the "insult" of everybody cutting into to your lane.
- Matsis
Drivers behind me may get annoyed but there is always room at the front ;)
- Ashish
I used to drive like this, until my commute changed to one that had more traffic lights. Then I realized that letting cars in front of me didn't make 1 second per car difference, it could make 10's of minutes, because I'd often miss traffic light cycles. I wish it wasn't the case - I guess it's going to depends on your commute.
- Nick Lothian
Why I Don’t Have a Girlfriend « GraphJam - http://graphjam.com/2009...
Jeanchap, Pete D, Brome and 17 other people liked this
Why I don't have a girlfriend. 1) The wife would have to approve. 2) If the wife approved I'd never get to see the girlfriend!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
That would put a damper on the proceedings.
- Steven Perez
:)
- Roberto Bonini
Totally looks like...
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Fernando, ʎəlɹoɯ uəʞ, TheHenry and 54 other people liked this
The snoop dog pic is my favorite.
- Valley
I once had a dachshund named Snoop!
- Jess
haha Jess!
- Janice
Spot on!
- Mike Reynolds
jajajajaja cool!!!
- Ferzvladimir
HaHaHaHa!
- Jeff P. Henderson
genius!
- Toby Graham
missing: Mitt Romney/Guy Smiley
- Edward Zwart
Anne Hathaway is rocking this dress :D
Mathew A. Koeneker, Ehsan Diary, Wei Yuan and 38 other people liked this
Does she know that one of the seams ripped?
- Yolanda
Is she breast feeding? Good lord.
- Derrick
It is a nice color on her
- RAPatton
i like that dress.
- Hieronymous Boosh
I am not a fan of the sideboob.
- Rochelle
Horrible. I seriously think the one JLo wore years ago where it was just a sheer cover over her boobs is much better than this.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
*looks at the women's comments* *looks at the men's comments*
- Derrick
It does sort of make you think "why bother with clothes?"
- Jason Wehmhoener
It is a pretty color. And I bet it would be even more flattering if her breast weren't so... available.
- Yolanda
i feel like i'm seeing something i'm not supposed to see
- Nathan Rein
/ : )
- ◄ 道 ► D/\\/|I|D ッ
looks like the dress is working like it's suppose to
- Mac Sharp
Like, this one is so much sexier: http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i...
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
giggity
- iTad
A little sideboob!
- Jim Graham
*Goes to find a pic with some balls hanging out cause what's good for the goose is good for the gander*
- Derrick
that will be easy to find!
- Hieronymous Boosh
then it should be a chest shot Derrick
- Mac Sharp
"hanging down there sort of floppy like" ?!?!? That's HYSTERICAL! Such haters....
- Carter ♥ JS
Why such a beautiful woman feels the need to show that amount of "side boob" for shits & giggles just boggles my mind.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
I think she's missing a piece to her ensemble...I got it!! She's not wearing a bracelet! Damn her!!!
- Just Kidée: Road Warrior
hmm I wonder who doctored up this photo?
- Mac Sharp
Side-boob, full-boob, no-boob...it's Anne FRIGGIN' Hathaway!! It's all good!! :D
- JA Castillo
Most male chest shots don't hang, Mac. I need to show something that hangs so its either balls or that other thing.
- Derrick
SIDEBOOB!!!
- Cardeen Risen
Dress FAIL - refund please? dudes, that is too much skin, not classy at all
- Susan Beebe
Glen -- hahah yep, Brrrrrrr *nipple* freezzzzzzzzzeeeee!
- Susan Beebe
Fail? That is a matter of opinion.
- Kevin J Hatton
What Kevin said
- AJ Batac
look at all those boobs...=/
- Marissa
Not very classy...I'm shocked cause Anne Hathaway usually is. I think it was probably a wardrobe malfunction
- Shevonne
haha
- Kevin Nunez
she's got great breasts
- Rafael Robayna
Not.Mad.At.All. Let the girl live.
- Bryan R. Adams
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It’s true. McDonalds has a website for black people. - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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I still can't quite believe this.
- Zee.
from Bookmarklet
yeah, exactly...
- Zee.
Ronald is a slow learner.
- Jack&Cleo
Somebody should do Ronald in blackface to drive this one home :-/
- Richard Walker
yeah, i never heard of it either
- Zee.
Coke Blaq incorporated coffee and had nothing to do with black people.
- Derrick
WTFingF??
- Hieronymous Boosh
Kevin M. is an inspiration to us all. And the execs at McDonald's just don't think.
- Kevin Winn
usa/fun/365_black.html
- Melrose Stamp
WTF?
- Özkan Altuner
This is a shame...
- Abhishek
equal opportunity (now my wife can be offended as well)! --> http://www.myinspirasian.com/
- Hieronymous Boosh
I'm confused. What's with the WTF's? and crapping bricks over this?
- Valley
I was fully expecting a negro spiritual to stay playing in the background.
- Yolanda
or maybe "Thaat Eggg McMuffffin! Thaat Eggg McMuffffin! Thaat Eggg McMuffffin gaave me gaaass!"
- Hieronymous Boosh
Sh.t !
- Alihan ÇETİN
I could really go for an Egg Mc Muffin right now.
- Louis Gray
i prefer the McGriddle. so does my cardiologist.
- Hieronymous Boosh
Is there a site for those of Viking heritage?
- Gus
The issue is that McD's just went through an embarrassing episode a year or so ago over their poor treatment of Black customers. They really ought to avoid any mention of race until that has been forgotten.
- Jack&Cleo
Euh... While I am sure it is a different marketing group, actually creating a different website clearly labelled for the black people - It just seems ridiculous somehow.
- James Kuypers
I suppose that's true, but I still dislike when communities are targeted for stuff that's unhealthy or unfair, like fast food, "payday" check cashing, and malt liquor. Call me old-fashioned. (edit: Actually, malt liquor probably doesn't qualify)
- Richard Walker
McD's made an Asian-American site a while back. It was not well thought out. (story here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004... , site now here: http://www.myinspirasian.com/ ) ... D'oh, Christopher AND Dead Silence got there first.
- Andrew C (✓)
BTW, how is it I'm the first one to mention Calvin? ( http://books.google.com/books... )
- Andrew C (✓)
Fair enough!
- Andrew C (✓)
i actually posted the Asian site first. :P
- Hieronymous Boosh
yo quiero big bag of inappropriate marketing.
- Hieronymous Boosh
So McD's must have a Hispanic site too.
- Andrew C (✓)
yes, they do.
- Hieronymous Boosh
((Insert really, really, REALLY bad joke about KFC having a website for black people))
- tehKenny
Wait, for real???? Although, I'm sure they have a spanish one for the Hispanic audience. It's weird... somehow this seems strange.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
This sounds gross.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
from email
It's a site aimed at landing a job at McD's. From the site: "It's a place where you can learn more about education, employment, career advancement and entrepreneurship opportunities, and meet real people whose lives have been touched by McDonald's."
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
@Zulema for black people yeah.
- Zee.
Zee you bring up a great point, "...how would the world react to a 365White?"
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Zulema - huh! The As-Am & Hispanic ones seem more like regular marketing sites. wait, no, 365Black still pushes the food.
- Andrew C (✓)
Where's the website for white people?
- xero
This is patronizing and irritating. All you folks popping up whining "it's just targeted marketing. what's wronnng?", kindly stfu. You know exactly what's wrong. I'm tired of being "targeted" as if I'm not a regular person capable of finding a job at frigging McDonald's without having my hand held. Major UGH.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
at least it's not Billy Dee Williams (a.k.a. Lando Calrissian - Administrator Of This Facility) grinning and saying "Works every time!".
- Hieronymous Boosh
i was more of the Olde English 800 type. :P
- Hieronymous Boosh
McDodo's was the FIRST chain to pull out when the southeastern part of my city went from lilly white to mostly hispanic and Vietnamese.
- Hieronymous Boosh
sounds like your area got the better treatment from them.
- Hieronymous Boosh
and, actually, that part of our city is still thriving and low crime, just no national chains seem to want to do business there cos it's not white enough for them.
- Hieronymous Boosh
Probably cause I'm not black and have almost never read those magazines. Certainly the As-Am mags I've read (only sporadically) have never had as ham-handed advertising as McD's Asian site. At least, I don't think they did/do.
- Andrew C (✓)
I don't care how positive the marketing spin is on fast food and $200 dollar sneakers, frankly.
- Richard Walker
I think it's fair to argue whether the site is well done or not, or whether it achieves a certain objective or not. And, frankly, if you're white, unless you're extremely competent about African-American culture, you may not be able to have a fully informed opinion on that. It's a little naive to be surprised by the site's existence, though. Every major consumer products company has its own ethnic marketing division.
- Erica Mauter
don't know why i find this offensive...
- Tate
Additionally, McDonald's has always placed emphasis on the business opportunities it makes available. They provide tons of scholarships for their young employees. They do good things. You can't be made at them for marketing their product. There is more than enough information out there; that choice is entirely on the consumer.
- Erica Mauter
Advertising is insulting in general, usually. Why the indignation over this? Advertising has always and will always be the seller of something telling me how good it is. Conflict of interest anyone? So, I guess this falls into that category for me. Oh yeah, and the material isn't offensive in and of itself, it requires a human to interact with it and decide for themselves, offensive or not. Offensive is in the eye of the beholder, or something...
- Joshua Kahn
Wow, just wow! What was McDonald's thinking when they did this?! Don't they realize they're alienating people?! This is the dumbest idea of the year! *sigh*
- Susan Beebe
The about page is at http://www.365black.com/365blac... - and are we going to be enraged when companies target...teenagers?
- John E. Bredehoft
that is completely different John...and i'm hoping you know it
- Zee.
Blame the partners http://www.365black.com/365blac... including the Thurgood Marshall College Fund, BET.com (hmm, come to think of it, that's a whole television network that's targeting a particular audience), and VIBE (hmm again).
- John E. Bredehoft
Or blame the award winners http://www.blackgivesback.com/2009... "This year McDonald's recognizes Black Enterprise publisher Earl G. Graves, Sr.; CNN journalist Soledad O'Brien; NBA legend and philanthropist Alonzo Mourning; House Majority Whip and Congressman James E. Clyburn (D-SC) and McDonald's Owner and Operator Frank E. Mason. These...
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- John E. Bredehoft
And someone DOES blame the partners http://regeneratormag.com/economi... "Whatever the case may be, McDonald’s is safe so long as it stays partnered with All The Things Black People Love™: BET, Vibe, Coca-Cola, the CIAA and the Thurgood Marshall College Fund. These august institutions would never partner with the likes of Ronald “i’m lovin’ it” McDonald unless they had the Community’s best interest at heart."
- John E. Bredehoft
Well, if I was to apply what I have been learning in Economics, I would say that McDonalds has stepped out in front with what a lot of business are going to do (and some have already begun to make noises in that direction) .http://www.365black.com/365blac...
- Melanie Reed
*sigh* Why do we always forget what we've already discussed? 365White would be redundant since our world is already white 365 days of the year. Especially here in the US. It's the same as people getting upset over the Blackbird browser and talking about Whitebird or whatever. Many don't see it or don't want to see it, but our world is tilted in favor of one race at this point and we need balance. NO! Obama is NOT that balance.
- Rahsheen?
how do you mean our world is already white 365 days of the year?
- Zee.
Jesus, Joseph, and Mary. *sigh*
- Derrick
Why do we have black history month?
- Rahsheen?
Cecily, I guess I don't have the standing to say whether 365Black is offensive to me, but I've definitely felt that myinspirasian.com is offensively condescending. Targeted marketing is one thing, but silly and offensively simplistic stereotypes are a distinct subset of targeted marketing.
- Andrew C (✓)
to celebrate black history. That's not the same as McDonalds designing a site specifically for black people though
- Zee.
I demand a McD's site aimed towards atheistic pasty white folks of Protestant Irish descent.
- iTad
Well, the point of the site, so they say, is to celebrate black history every day of the year. Just as the majority of history any kid will learn in school will *not* be black history. I'm not sure if that's really the goal of the site, but that's what it says. Does anyone here have a problem with celebrating black history and culture every day of the year? All 365 of them?
- Rahsheen?
seriously Rah...? You believe this site really is to celebrate black history every day of the week?
- Zee.
That's what it says. There is even an opportunities link. Could it just be a way to market to the black community and make us eat more of their garbage? I don't know. The point is, black people have probably made McDonald's a lot of money. It *IS* one of the places that will probably hire black people and even promote them eventually. The DO have ties to the black community that run a...
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- Rahsheen?
Looks like Cecily and I are seeing the same things in regards to this. Some are mentioning the pandering aspect as the offense, but most are just upset that black people have something separate. The latter always seems to be the point of contention as the immediate response is to say "what if we had a white X", which is a completely redundant statement if you're paying attention. I also have a sneaking suspicion that those outside of the US may have a harder time grasping what's going on.
- Rahsheen?
Huh. FWIW, my upsetness was mostly about the sense of McD's pandering. I may well be overly sensitive; it could be "liberal guilt". I certainly didn't think there was any 'unfair advantage' going on.
- Andrew C (✓)
basically, for me - the sooner we get rid of anything that distinguishes people by color...the better.
- Zee.
++Zee
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I feel you, Zee, but we are just no there yet. At this point, your desire is like wishing paralyzed people could walk and viewing wheel chairs as simply a way to delay that reality. At this point, we still need extra support because we have people who absolutely DO NOT agree with you. Racism is alive and well. Things are skewed. There needs to be balance.
- Rahsheen?
I've had a long day at work and don't have enough brain power to fully participate in this thread. that said, I am black and McDonald's 365 website doesn't offend me one bit. it's an educational destination held together by advertising. sure, it may pander - what major advertising doesn't? ever see a Mac commercial? as several people have mentioned before, this type of marketing is not...
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- jbrotherlove
you're probably right, we're not there yet...but i can't see how this helps
- Zee.
Oh right, re-reading the thread reminded me why I thought it was pandering: the 'mighty baobab' line. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.
- Andrew C (✓)
Definitely not discounting that interpretation, Andrew. I'm not exactly getting a pure vibe from the site,but I'm suspicious of any corporation focusing on a minority.
- Rahsheen?
My issue is with people being against minority-specific things. When the majority stops stacking the deck against us, we won't have the need to build our own decks. Just because there are a few who believe we shouldn't have to take such actions, doesn't mean we don't have to.
- Rahsheen?
For those who haven't seen it, here's Steven Hodson's Inquisitr post about the site. It made him cranky: http://www.inquisitr.com/34468...
- John E. Bredehoft
And my post on the site, which mostly concentrates on the diversity vs. black only issue, but also touches on some things I noted above. I also take issue with Steven Hodson saying it's OK for BET.com to target a particular race, but then saying that BET.com can't sponsor 365black.com http://empoprise-bi.blogspot.com/2009...
- John E. Bredehoft
"Most of the world *is* 365White"??? Only if you think that the world *is* 100% USA! I think you will find that over 50% of the world's population is of Asian Origin, add to that the 15% that make up the population of Africa and you can see just how white the world really *is* ;)
- Dave Pook
Recently, we have LAN games can use to now download the demo in Macdonald's shop.
- Ami Iida
Absolutely not?
- Rahsheen?
OK, I have a question for those who objected to 365black.com - did you object to the concept, or the execution? Pepsi seems to have a less heavy-handed execution (no Baobab trees), but they have a site with the same concept. I heard about it via a Corvida Raven share http://friendfeed.com/corvida... (she's featured on the site).
- John E. Bredehoft
I'm trying to find a formula for generating the perfect tweet (then I can automate it!). Here's what I have so far: Statement of fact (preferably one that shows how awesome or lame your life is) followed by witty insight or observation.
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Apply the formula here, or propose a better formula. This was inspired by a discussion of what my brother's dog would tweet if he had a twitter account (and could tweet). It started with "Just got neutered.", but then we had trouble coming up with the witty insight or observation part.
- Paul Buchheit
'RT @scobleizer [whatever he said]'. Seems to work for a lot of people.
- Akiva
dim statement = 'Unwillingly, unwittingly sycophantic to a fault, but with backbone. Life is like an ashtray.' ;
- Rob Schieber
[Statement or question] + [derogatory or self-derogatory co-fact] + [#ididntmeanit or #itotallymeanit or #spammingthetrendingtopics]
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Personally, I prefer '[excerpt of content] + [http://ff.im link]'.
- Akiva
Oh, I read that as [exempt of content] + [http://ff.im link]
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
People seem to be big fans of pithy observations of life phrased as a rhetorical question followed by the phrase "just sayin'" and an irrelevant hashtag lately. Another one to add to your generator would be a 3 sentence verbose response to the topic of the day, but with the vowels taken out to fit in a 140 character tweet.
- Mark Trapp
Is this going to be the "I'm feeling lucky" button on FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
{situation|product} is {overrated|underrated}. It's like {verb}ing in a {place} with a {object}.
- Francesco Balducci
best "something" EEVER"!!!! "link"
- Chris Hofmann
'Something [awesome|terrible] happened and that's all I'm going to say about that' or some variant thereof.
- Akiva
"RT @paultoo [whatever y'all figure out]"
- Ken Sheppardson
{oath of fealty to Friendfeed}.{parting words}."That is all."
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Rhetorical question? ANGRY SOUNDING ALL CAPS ANSWER, WHETHER AFFIRMATIVE OR NOT. #threewordhashtag
- Chris Charabaruk
Here is the issue: A witty insight or observation is not made witty by the creator but by the observer. So, unless your automator will tweet and laugh at itself or somehow guess the minds of your audience, it might have issues.
- Aditya Mittal
The problem with a purely structural approach is you can either end up with "perfect" or http://tweetingtoohard.com/top
- Ken Sheppardson
Start with Fark.com headline generation rules and then remove the news story subtext ;)
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I prefer Tweets with links to valuable resources and opinions.
- Garin Kilpatrick
i know this is true (this sentence manages to be both parts).
- kosmar
For me, the perfect tweet is a link to a high-quality document, accompanied by a terse summary of its core content. Those are pretty much the only tweets I pay attention to.
- Sean McBride
Ironic statements are good
- CoreyTess Trujillo
My favorite tweets say just enough to make you sooo curious you have to follow the "in reply to" to know what the heck they're talking about! In other words... it's real & witty conversation. =)
- Arleen Boyd
Sounds like you have a 50% winner. "How about "I hope you humans are happy with your life!"
- Houseofmax
I, for one, welcome our new Twitter overlords!
- Bill Sodeman
Mysterious Tubular Clouds Defy Explanation: These long, crazy-clouds can grow to be 600 miles long and can move.. http://www.wired.com/wiredsc...
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So what are your priority mac apps? The first apps you always have installed when you get a new mac?
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quicksilver, skitch, adium and fluid
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
from IM
Xcode and TextMate.
- Aaron Brethorst
ohh and TextMate!
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
from IM
no coders on friendfeed then :)
- Zee.
This is my first mac; almost two years old now. But when I get a new one next year, the essential ones will be: Quicksilver, Adium, Skitch, Aperture, iWork, Things, Evernote, Photoshop. Prolly Twitterific too, if it is still as good then.
- Parth Awasthi
What I run on a regular basis: Launchbar, Adium, Aperture, Evernote, Yojimbo, BBEdit, TweetDeck, Firefox, Photoshop.
- ronin
adium, quicksilver, coda, parallels/xp, tweetie/tweetdeck, adobe, firefox, wireshark, truecrypt
- Robert DeBord
adium, perian, growl, apptrap or appcleaner
- milus
Chrome, Adium, NetNewsWire, CyberDuck, Seesmic Desktop, Smultron
- Matt Ruiz
Adium, Firefox, Dropbox, Evernote, RDC, XCode, Smultron, NeoOffice, Launchbar, Little Snitch, 1Password, Super Duper, Launchbar
- Edmund Tay
MacVim and Transmit
- Brad McCrorey
Every week when I get a new Mac (I wish) it's Adium, Quicksilver, Growl, Fluidapp and Mailplane first.
- Peter van Teeseling
Shimo (I guess that also means a Cisco VPN client), Office 2008 (but I've only had one new Mac) [edit: Remote Desktop Client, Firefox, Citrix]
- MiniMage
TextWranger, Adium, 1Password, CS4 and Final Cut Pro
- dthree
Tweetdeck, Adium, Skype, Firefox, Dreamweaver, and Photoshop.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I forgot to add Transmit
- dthree
What is textmate?
- Amani
Growl, Dropbox, Google Quick Search Box, Tweetie, Skitch, Speed Download and Evernote.
- Rubin Sfadj
Used to be Quicksilver, but it's Google Search Box now.
- Brome
CoRD, Dropbox, VLC, Evernote, Growl
- Anthony
Scott - last time it was CS3 with Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and Dreamweaver
- Robert DeBord
Quicksilver, TextMate, DefaultFolder X, TextExpander, Developer Tools (incl. XCode), iWork, MacPorts and then LaTeX, Hazel, Adium, BibDesk, Carbon Copy Cloner, Colloquy, Gimp, ImageJ, iPhotoLibraryManager, MainActOn, MailTags, Matlab, OmniALL, Snapz Pro X, SpiritedAway, Transmit
- Jason Miller
This thread is great for the sole reason that I've asked myself, "ooh, whats that?" about a dozen times already. Ooh, and I'll toss in AppFresh as the first thing I put on.
- Mark Howell
growl, Adium, Skype, Firefox, Tweetie, Evernote, Things, MarsEdit, Scrivener, MindNode Pro, Curio, iWork, Aperture, flickery, Phoenix Slides, Coda, Flux, Pixelmator, Lineform, iStudio Publisher, VLC, Tofu, Skim
- Sergej Sidoruk
After the defaults (incl. Xcode) & iLife & iWork... Final Cut, Photoshop, Adium, TextWrangler, Handbrake, VueScan, Transmit, SuperDuper, and some additional browsers (Firefox, Camino, Opera, Chrome, etc.)
- Tinfoil 2.0
the very first one?perian
- Andrea.i.Norrköping
quicksilver, textexpander, growl
- Kim Landwehr
Quicksilver, Growl and Adium.
- Andrew Roche
Adium, Colloquy, Firefox, vlc, qsb, textwrangler
- EricaJoy
Debian ;-) Seriously, iTerm. But I'm more on Linux than OSX
- directeur
Burn - free, open source CD/DVD recording software (lightwight alternative to toast, does everything) http://burn-osx.sourceforge.net
- egowrap
wget through macports
- egowrap
I can't function without Quicksilver.
- Simon Tracey
@Sergej - how do you find Flux, heard mixed things about it?
- Robert Mattar
Quicksilver, LittleSnitch, 1Password, Fluid apps, TextMate, git.
- Berk D. Demir
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- mW29REBECCA
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"Why is Robert Scoble aka @Scobleizer is so negative towards me? It is because I questioned hi professionalism and chose to criticize him in my post! China earthquake Twitter Robert Scoble I based my criticism of Robert Scoble reporting Chinese earthquake on criticism by Danny Sullivan of Search Engine Land. He is an ex BBC journalist who said, “Integrity must be preserved by verifying source of story!” I totally agre with Danny. We must verify all data as to not to create Bias and undue panic when reporting news! So, Robert Scoble chose to attack me instead of living up to his bad impetuous judgment! Rober Scoble does not like criticism! Ego Hurts!"
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
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Robert Scoble is always welcome to refute this, but he is ignoring the issue!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Silner. Robert Scoble is The Social Media Bully. If he outs you out, all his Zombies will keep telling everyone to block you for months!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Silner, good idea, but we must give our community to grew and users interact without Brownshirts controlling Social Media!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Now that Robert Scoble commented on my Blog, I guess I am no longer Anonymous! </Sarcasm>
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Friendfeed is fading away – Please come to Google Reader! - http://www.clipotech.com/2009...
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Slippy: FriendFeed is dead. We are in its afterlife.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Afterlife => eternal life to me, Robert. So we're in good shape here then, right? :)
- Craig Eddy
Slippy, LOL. Not me, I want FF to live on forever. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Robert, you're probably right but I'm sticking around till the bitter end. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Christopher, yeah you have to add users to a shared group to all commenting and it's buggy at best. Comment view is poor too and you cannot search the comments only. GReader is a long way off being fully social but it's getting there. Nearly 250 followers for me now.
- Kol Tregaskes
How is it fading away? Have they given a shutdown date? Have they stopped adding new features? Have they quit supporting current features? Did I miss the announcement? Besides the whole trauma of facebook buying friendfeed, that is...
- Bette Cooper
GReader is not a replacement....yet. I'm finding the comments area very poorly laid out and following shares has some good signal but still adds a lot more noise of topics that do not interest me and that's just following roughly 30 people. So GReader changes are doing more harm than good from an experience standpoint the way I had used GReader in the past.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There may be a friendfeed replacement somewhere, but gReader is not it.
- Jim #TeamMonique
okeee dokeeeee, it`s actually really simple going through your shizzz, and the tsunami aka Google Wave is soon coming wooooooohooooooooo
- sofarsoShawn
I do feel alone in GR, there is some magic in FF. Even, FB or Twitter does not have this magic.
- dstamand
I think FF and GReader are two different things: a social media aggregator and an RSS reader with social network functions (shared by Blogger), respectively. I don't think one can replace the other. If FF gets a superior replacement, I'll throw myself into it.
- Dennis Jernberg
I think Google Reader is amazing for discussions and posting notes with embedded media!
- Svartling
I hope they will add more social features.
- Svartling
GReader is definitely no replacement but with so many people joining it's the second most chatty place on the net for me now. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
For my it's the second most chatty place on the net also. Next after Twitter :)
- Svartling
Funny, I don't see FriendFeed fading. I'm watching it at Gnomedex and the screen is going faster than ever.
- Robert Scoble
I disagree, and find Google Reader slow, poorly designed, and full of duplicates.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
My new FriendFeed theme is best seen with the browser window expanded to full-screen.
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i don't see the stock option folder.
- michael sean wright
Those are contained in the top two folders, Michael. Just double click to open. If that doesn't work, reboot your machine.
- Louis Gray
now to make all those icons click through.
- Richard Reeve
Doesn't work quite well in 1920x1080 fullscreen. It looks the best in 1440x900. But I like it:)
- Jemm
Jemm, that would be as I am using 1440x900 for the screenshot. :) (It also doesn't work on iPhone/Facebook, of course)
- Louis Gray
@Louis: That's what I thought :) Anyway, I rarely do full-screen browsing and it looked perfect in a "normal" -window. :)
- Jemm
agree with haggis. i tried to click it. was surprised that terminal loaded when i clicked on it...
- Alan (Giraffes)
Nice! Needs to be a little wider. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Is that a Clone Trooper in bottom icon?
- Johnny
You wish, Worthington. I believe it is the top of a knight's helmet, as seen here: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- Louis Gray
Oh.... ok................................................... *sigh*
- Johnny
:p too bad I'm stuck with my netbook's less than ideal display lol http://twitpic.com/eoxcg
- Franc, a rememberer
Will we ever be able to make Dynamic Themes? (like the Duck Hunt one)
- Hugh Isaacs II
I love your FriendFeed theme!!! Great idea and it looks good with my monitor :)
- Anne Haynes
6 Reasons why Twitter Geolocation is a really, really bad idea – The Next Web - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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"Twitter’s Geoclocation API certainly has its benefits; put aside the lust for all this information though and we’re left with quite a few things that could go very wrong with all this data. Here are five reasons Twitter Geolocation is a really, really bad idea."
- Martin Bryant
from Bookmarklet
no doubt really good points and should definitely be taken into consideration. Like Twitter said though, i expect they won't be disclosing pinpoint locations and they wont allow for storing of these locations - so *if* it works out right - we shouldn't be able to tell where someone is exactly at any given time. You're right in regard to knowing they're not at home, but that doesn't...
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- Zee.
Did you come up with an extra reason during the writing of the article (see url of the post)?
- Mathieu Ayel
D'oh! Meant to change that! Yep - busted! :)
- Martin Bryant
Which one was it? Btw I agree with Zee, I think the issues you listed will be there at first but it's mostly down to twitter users to understand the benefits and pitfalls of geolocation. Latitude may do a better job at protecting its users but maybe twitter apps will be build/adapted to provision similar level of services.
- Mathieu Ayel
Mathieu - Number 6 came to me as I wrote it. I changed the title but forgot the URL. Yes, I think societal change will overcome a lot of these problems eventually but they may cause problems for takeup of the feature over the next year or two.
- Martin Bryant
Apple reconsidering C64 Emulator for iPhone? - http://www.macnn.com/article...
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I just spoke with FriendFeed cofounder Paul Buchheit. Did you know that he promised family that FriendFeed would continue? More:
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He told me they messed up by not communicating better last week. The deal happened so fast that they didn't pay attention to everything.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I like how this is starting
- Robert DeBord
o0o0o0
- Mark
as its own service?
- Lee
you are the one who keeps proclaiming its death
- Mark
That's what Compaq said when they purchased DEC. (for those of you old enough to remember)
- RobinDotNet
A promise is not a guarantee.
- Amit Morson
Such a tease, Robert. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
More smoke-blowing. I don't care of Paul swore on the graves of his ancestors. Actions speak louder than words. Some vague promise to a group of people I'm excluded from doesn't do much to assuage my unease.
- Akiva
Akiva, you're right, but it's not smoke.
- Louis Gray
Okay, Louis, true. I retract that first sentence. The rest of it, however, I'm sticking by.
- Akiva
Akiva: well I feel a lot better about things today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Continue just as it is? Or with key changes?
- Karma Martell
I would expect them to post more on this topic soon - on their personal blogs.
- Louis Gray
If that's what Paul wants to promise us, he needs to release some kind of official statement, not send a message through Robert.
- Rochelle
Soon.
- Louis Gray
I bet you as part of the contract, its in there not to shut this down
- Stephen Pickering
Rochelle: there are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
keeping my hopes up. but i do remember working at a few radio stations that were bought, we'd get a memo saying 'the format is not going to change' about three weeks before we switched to spanish. i think there is just too much here for ff to vanish. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
How can he when it`s lost all of its autonomy? Supplanted by Facebook, bought outright no?
- sofarsoShawn
It couldve been part of the deal not to let the site die
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, like you said, one can hope. However both of us know how corporates work and it takes one small decision from share holders to close down the service, no matter what.
- Nir Ben Yona
They want to get to Facebook and get those unknowns nailed down first.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Holden and Rochelle, etc., let's be patient. If you see the post I put up last night and add Robert's comments here, we should be feeling a lot better today than we did on Monday.
- Louis Gray
Robert, all right. Well, after my initial freak-out over this, I've gone into complete wait-and-see mode. More of these vague promises and 'coming soon' messages don't really do much for me. When someone say something definitive, then I'll be there to consume it. The rest of this just doesn't add up for much.
- Akiva
That was a great post Louis
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks, Stephen. I thought it was important.
- Louis Gray
Akiva, exactly, waiting for official word.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nir: the way it was told to me contractually it can't be closed down anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I hope they don't change it so you have to have a Facebook account to use it. I have one, but share it with very few; I use Twitter and FF for everyone. I want to be able to use it the way I do now.
- RobinDotNet
Like any takeover/merger, some details just take time to work out. Hopefully FF can stay around in some form and help make FB better. We'll just have to wait and see. Thanks, Robert, for the info.
- Mark Edwards
I agree, we haven`t seen anything substantive in the way of contract etc but fingers crossed.
- sofarsoShawn
But doesn't mean it won't be shutdown at some point?
- Kol Tregaskes
And, Louis, I didn't see your post from last night but I'll read it as soon as I get back from the store.
- Akiva
was Pownce a bit like Friendfeed? I never used it
- Mark
I can't get my hopes up when Facebook is in the picture. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Stable Door and Horse comes to mind.
- Kevin J Hatton
The fact that the FF folks haven't yet said "This is how we want it, so this is how it's going to be" is just evidence that they don't have the final say on the matter. If it's subject to some additional authority/approval, nothing is certain at this point.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kol: it won't be shut down anytime soon. He was quite clear about that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kol, the truth is they work for Facebook now, and therefore, FriendFeed can/will change, and it may not change 100% how you and I want. It may be part of Facebook's site later, and it may not. But Facebook is changing from what we know of it now to something new where they overlap.
- Louis Gray
In other words that was in the contract. Makes sense, since they were hesitant anyway
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, OK but maybe at some point though.
- Kol Tregaskes
I sure would like it if FF continued indefinitely.
- Jason Nunnelley
Kol: nothing in life is guaranteed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Patience is a good thing. That said, if FriendFeed wasn't growing at a rate much higher than it has been, something would have to change. You don't bottle up such talent and experience and have it work on a product that was losing.
- Louis Gray
Robert, What about death and taxes?
- RobinDotNet
Good to hear. I am sure they will take time to decide what exactly to do with FF. How to integrate them together. What to do etc. FF the R&D for FB I think it could be
- Robert Anderson
Robert, true. All a bit vague still though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Scoble: encourage Facebook to keep FriendFeed as a premium brand. Let them tie it to Facebook data or whatever, but keep the system separate.
- Gary
Louis, right, this gives them legitimacy and exposure
- Stephen Pickering
Kol... if they wanted to grow they way they "deserved" to grow, this place would have changed underneath your feet to something you might hate. This is one way to put real capital and people behind the site as it is now.
- Louis Gray
If this thing grows by leaps and bounds, FB is not going to close it
- Stephen Pickering
Mark: anytime a blogger says something is dead ALL that means is that it is less interesting than yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Over time, we will learn, Sam. It's a classical marketing/engineering decision. Do you build for the current user base, or the potential user base? With change. some were bound to leave anyway.
- Louis Gray
Louis, not arguing that at all. My point was about shutting it down or not. I'm at the wait-and-see stage, waiting for more news from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
And any time I write a headline that says it's NOT dead... maybe I know what I'm talking about. :)
- Louis Gray
But this service grows more useful the more users there are
- Stephen Pickering
Something needs to happen. Twitter is useless now - maybe a new denial of service attack. I would love to see the Friendfeed technology spread to the mass user base that Facebook has.
- Frode Stenstrøm
Well, at least he acknowledged they messed up.
- Rodfather
Frode: that was what Paul told me too. He wants the tech here to be used by everyone.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't understand why Google didn't buy it instead.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Rod, FriendFeed has no PR or Marketing. Maybe if they did, this would have been handled differently. Some things come naturally, and others are hard. But I bet you will see a lot more soon.
- Louis Gray
I've heard the same from another founder, Robert.
- Anne Bouey
Franz, no official word, just wait for an announcement from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
They didn't want to work for google again.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Makes you wonder about a due diligence ckecklist and the speed of getting this deal done
- courtney benson
Kinda why they left. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Right, look at Google Reader. They don't know how to do social
- Stephen Pickering
It's all wonky and hard to understand
- Stephen Pickering
But GR is going in that direction.
- Kol Tregaskes
Companies come and companies go. They can go by closing their doors or by being acquired. Only time will tell whether FriendFeed has come and gone.
- Jeff Sayre
GR is trying, but its all wonky and totally un understandable
- Stephen Pickering
Oh. I just don't trust Facebook at all and can barely stand using it after being here.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer, I think we have to look beyond the caricatures of people like Zuckerberg, and recognize that he too may want the same things we do. Facebook is growing up and I bet FriendFeed and its team is a big part of that.
- Louis Gray
Louis, hope so.
- Kol Tregaskes
courtney: Paul talked about that too. He said once the team made the decision they knew it had to be closed overnight to prevent it from leaking.
- Robert Scoble
Louis I think its a perfect marriage, genius engineers + genius Marketers
- Stephen Pickering
Well, he didn't quite say "prevent it from leaking" but he said "it's important to do it all at once." I knew what he meant, though, that it had to be done fast to keep things from getting crazy, like they do once decisions like this get taken into public sphere.
- Robert Scoble
I am sure paul is truthful in that he would like for it to go that way, but this is a M&A situation, and even if it is written into the agreement, there are a million ways around it. At the end of the day, shareholders make the rules in a majority vote. If ff isn't integrated in fb somehow, I fail to see how it benefits fb.
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
Kol: Paul was emphatic that Facebook is a far more interesting company at this time in both company's history.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Somehow this doesn't sound too convincing. If Friendfeed has been losing a LOT of regular users because of their deal with Facebook, they'd be concerned. Friendfeed is likely to get you to speak on their behalf, since you are their most popular user. Maybe Paul is trying to convince you, so that he can indirectly convince others too. That might save an early end to Friendfeed brought on by the rapid loss of users.
- K N Ajit Narayan
I totally agree with Paul, by the way. Facebook is a much more interesting company to join right now than Google is.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook = Microsoft 2.0
- scott anderson
Robert: Did he mention anything about Mashable reporting an acquisition had been talked about since `07?
- sofarsoShawn
YAY! thanks Scoble for letting us know - i feel alot better today!
- Chris Clayton
Hey, Microsoft had a decent run
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yeah, Zuckerberg is a lot smarter and a lot more down to earth than most of the press gives him credit for. He's always been straight up with me. Much better than other companies have treated me.
- Robert Scoble
And that's even including getting kicked off of Facebook for 24 hours.
- Robert Scoble
@ Scott, LOL Facebook = Microsoft 2.0! I see your point, but it far surpasses Microsoft Live attempt at a social network.
- Nakeva Corothers
Erik: technologies that have great audiences don't get killed. If anything will kill it, it will be us. By leaving.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, cool. Well if they can ditch a lot of their annoying features, like this FB Lite might be, then I might be interested in moving over with all the FF features implemented but I just can't work with FB in it's currently state. I had another go this weekend and still didn't like it. But I'd be even happier if FF stayed here. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
this is gonna be an interesting story to follow for sure. For now I am just using friendfeed the way I have been and see what comes out down the road. life is about changes.
- (jeff)isageek
sofarsoShawn: I don't know what you're talking about regarding Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but why can't they just come out and say something directly to the community? Obviously a lot of people are concerned and anxious about it... Why do we have to hear second-hand? And why has it all been so vague? No news is not necessarily good news in cases like this.
- Lindsay
Robert, Leo called himself Leo Scoble today because he deleted his 5000 FB friends and moved them over to his fan page
- Stephen Pickering
jeff: yeah. Visiting Facebook is going to get more interesting. He also said that the first month at Facebook (which starts Monday) will be all about learning about Facebook's code. So, no new features will come quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Ok. I hope Facebook changes a LOT so it's more tolerable. Although I don't like it, I need to set up a good Facebook page for business so I can remain competitive.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I hope they do right by you. You brought them to the party. I hope that gets recognized somehow monetarily.
- Jim Posner
Saying that it might be shut down at some point doesn't tell us anything new, though; after all, any site might be shut down at some point due to going out of business etc.
- Tristan Seligmann
When anything comes out of this it was always going to be long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
Can i just add - Paul never said friendfeed was going to die in the first place... instead they said the complete opposite - "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team."
- Chris Clayton
sofarsoShawn, yes, Facebook had been talking to FriendFeed since 2007.
- Louis Gray
Lindsay, I bet the FriendFeed team has a very busy week and maybe you hear from them on all this soon.
- Louis Gray
Robert: "technologies that have great audiences don't get killed..." oh, come on, you know better than that! My dad worked at IBM so I've been seeing tech companies kill great stuff that their customers liked for most of my life!!!!
- Fred Davis
Jim, Scoble has gotten no money from FriendFeed (nor have I). Neither one of us expects to, as that would change the relationship.
- Louis Gray
Fred, right, the Innovators Dilemma, but in this case its cost of running a website is halving every year
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yes, but Paul told me that when I last was in the office they hadn't yet decided to go to Facebook. Everything happened in the past two weeks. I think you even walked in on one of their key decision points. He said they worked all weekend long on the agreement.
- Robert Scoble
Fred: nothing in life is guaranteed, yeah, you're right. But there's no business reason to turn this off anytime soon. If we all leave there will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: e.g., consumer company changes focus to biz or gets acquired... new company direction leads to consumer products getting killed despite popularity... that's just one of many ways that good tech gets killed all the time!!!
- Fred Davis
No disagreement on that at all, Robert. I know I walked in on something big, and that was my mistake for not calling ahead.
- Louis Gray
Seems their valuation stood on Roberts shoulders to some degree. At the least, a public thanks would have been nice.
- Jim Posner
Jason: i know, thats what got me freaked out too - i just thought i would add it in incase anyone missed it :) and because im a little bored! lol
- Chris Clayton
Fred, can you give any examples? Any software I used to use that is no longer available was replaced with something better.
- RobinDotNet
No business reason that WE understand... 'cuz we don;t go to Facebook board meetings ;-) Facebook may have their own agenda... in fact, I assume they do...
- Fred Davis
Jim: I do this because I love it, not because I expect thanks or goodies.
- Robert Scoble
Why even bring this up if they can't talk about it? Nothing has changed just more innuendo and smoke and mirrors and a lot of 'what ifs'. Wake me when there's something concrete.
- Derrick
Robert: when you talk to paul next, can you push him into doing a public announcement on it all? Just give him a nudge in the right direction! :)
- Chris Clayton
RobinDotNet... god, too many to count! First one I was bummed about was in '85 when Musicworks was the best MIDI program on the Mac... got acquired by some jerky game company that decided it wasn't a game and stranded all the users! Yeah, eventually new better stuff came along... but that didn't do the users of the current any good at that time...
- Fred Davis
Derrick: sorry, I totally disagree. I didn't know that contractually they can't kill the service anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
Derrick, there is more than smoke.
- Louis Gray
It makes sense, they had leverage to make that deal
- Stephen Pickering
Fred -- Okay, so that was one that was 24 years ago. Have any more recent examples? If you can't think of any, then they obviously weren't that important.
- RobinDotNet
Because they were hesitant, they had the leverage to make that part of the deal. Makes total sense
- Stephen Pickering
Um, apple buys leading music sequencing package and kills of PC version because, um, they want to force you to use a mac... come on, the list is endless!!! Companies screw customers by killing good products for their own reasons all the time....
- Fred Davis
Fred, you keep saying the list is endless, but the only one you can name is one that came out about 2 years after the 1st Mac, 24 years ago. I'm just saying....
- RobinDotNet
Fred, but what if part of the deal was not to kill it?
- Stephen Pickering
Derrick: believe me, Louis and I have been talking and concerned about the messaging coming out of this deal more than anyone. We both invested a lot of our time/careers here. Louis has been talking with the team too and that's where his post came from yesterday. I suggest you read it and read between the lines too.
- Robert Scoble
Understand Robert, Really not about your motivation, just good manners in my opinion for Friendfeed to thank you publically. Maybe they have and I missed it. I think you did more for promoting the service than the founders.
- Jim Posner
now, what facebook decides to do with friendfeed... who knows... Yahoo kept Flickr going... so far... but that seems like the exception... no one's really using jabber any more, but it lives on in the upcoming Wave and as XMPP at Google...
- Fred Davis
Jim: thanks, appreciate it. Paul did thank me in the interview I did with him right after the announcement was made.
- Robert Scoble
If there is a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running, the obvious question is what does this contract state and does it give a duration. Hopefully we'll hear more later.
- Kol Tregaskes
Why? What would be the point? I respect you two enough and all that you do in the world of social media and that's fine. I want a place I can converse, post my pictures, air my gripes, and continue to establish the friends I've made via Friendfeed. Will I be able to do that or not? I'm so tired of the conjecture. Some of us, are just people who love the service and more than anything, very simply, we just want to be able to utilize it.
- Derrick
Kol: I call it the "Paul is sleeping on the couch for a month" clause. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
LOL, Robert.
- Kol Tregaskes
For a company like Facebook, I would imagine that the consolidation of branding advantage would lead me to suspect that even if Friendfeed is kept going in some way, it will be re-branded as Facebook... just like Longs, Wamu, and Wells Fargo are going through right in Facebook's backyard.
- Fred Davis
Derrick, this is the place to do that. :)
- Louis Gray
"For now". ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Throws sheep at Kol
- Louis Gray
Hehe, Louis.
- Kol Tregaskes
The other main issue I have is that, now we are creating content for Facebook. Facebook owns our data. For some reason I didn't mind Paul and his team, they were blacksheep. If I wanted to make Facebook richer I would type in Facebook in the URL. I dont want to make Facebook richer.
- Robert Higgins
What are the alternatives to FF? Isn't there Streamy, Plurk, SocialThing?
- Eric
Louis, I'll be counting sheep soon, need sleep. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Of course, since I'm hoping Grabbit will replace Friendfeed for most people, I'm more than a little biased, and that makes me care a lot less about what happens to Friendfeed... even though I love the service, and hope Facebook keeps it going. We're already planning to support Friendfeed in Grabbit, and the new Friendfeed API is awesome, so who knows what the extent of the disruption...
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- Fred Davis
Sam, I know there is something. I am upset, because I wanted to buy FF someday! :)
- Eric
There has to be an alternative.
- Eric
Jason: too early to know that for sure. I'd start with the API. From what my friends are telling me who are good developers the API is actually very well thought out.
- Robert Scoble
There was an alternative, but I think it shut down.
- Eric
There is no need to replace FriendFeed. That there are options to decentralize our info is great, but I'm not going anywhere.
- Louis Gray
It was called SocialThing.
- Eric
Fred: I just don't like Facebook's service for WHAT I DO. For my wife? It's freaking awesome. And the execs there have always treated me very well (Zuckerberg walked around Davos with me, while every other journalist was drooling over the opportunity to do that -- he's a lot nicer and smarter than most people give him credit for).
- Robert Scoble
Eric & Jason: my new web thingie Grabbit, will do everything Friendfeed does and more, so much more... it's still in alpha, and the beta won't be out until next month... but already the alpha features better Facebook and integration than Friendfeed, IMHO... so, check out grabbit.net and ask to be on the beta list, and we'll keep you posted...
- Fred Davis
It was called Rejaw, and it was shut down.
- Eric
Fred: can't wait to see more about Grabbit.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Hey dude, I TOTALLY agree with you about Facebook! I've been telling people for a while that I think Facebook is in the process of Yahoo-ing themselves... and that ain't no compliment!
- Fred Davis
FriendFeed family or real family?
- Mona Nomura
FF is crazy to sell. They should've sold to Google, what were they thinking?
- Eric
louis i agree with you. i am not going anywhere either. this is the place i love and think is awesome
- (jeff)isageek
Robert, is Paul referencing his FriendFeed family or real family? (not expanding thread - too long)
- Mona Nomura
Mona: real family AND FriendFeed family. They are one and the same if you look at it the right way.
- Robert Scoble
Sam: what do you mean "intergrate email" friendfeed already has email features so it depends on what you mean...
- Chris Clayton
Same here, Jeff. If FF is still around I'm not budging. It it goes FB on us then it's bye-bye.
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Wave is like FF?
- Eric
Sam, got that in Grabbit... email, RSS, blog alerts, news alerts, and more... plus the coolest friend management stuff to help you sort all that out, not just the messages, updates, and alerts...
- Fred Davis
Mona: if you want me to do something for you, talk Maryam into it first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Eric: just like the others you mentioned, it has 1 or 2 similar features, but completely different!
- Chris Clayton
and twitter, facebook, friendfeed, etc., of course... we're starting a signup on grabbit.net...
- Fred Davis
I used to use FeedEachOther which was like FF.
- Eric
Now there is Google Reader.
- Eric
Google reader is improving, but still has a long way to go. On the social side.
- Bluesun 2600
That's the one thing I've always liked about FriendFeed - the founders (and staff) interacts with the community, as do their family members. The community members were treated like family, too. :) Whatever which way, hopefully Facebook will integrate FriendFeed's functions to carry on the "feel" over there as well. Personally, I have the more the merrier approach! BTW see you Thursday, Robert! Gnomedex sold out!
- Mona Nomura
I'm not up to speed with this discussion, but FB must have bought FF to merge FF tech into FB. FF for everybody, not just Scoble and tech friends.
- Zato Gibson
Sam: i was actually looking for a way to have the subjects of my emails show up on my friendfeed dashboard awhile ago - do you mean like that? Because that would be awesome!
- Chris Clayton
i would love to see friendfeed get a killer mobile app...maybe improve on fftogo a little more
- (jeff)isageek
Google Reader is my current alternative btw. I've found the share box today and now using it like FF's share box. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Reader is great, but it's not built to replace FriendFeed. It's not an aggregator, for one.
- Louis Gray
one thing is I don't think you can share images from pages as easily as FF's share.
- Bluesun 2600
Life2front has anyone heard of it?
- Eric
i think you can look at two services that were bought up and never really changed all this time in flickr and delicous so hey maybe friendfeed stays around as it is...maybe just integrates a bit more or something with facebook
- (jeff)isageek
Well you can put your services into a folder then create a bundle and share it. But no not quite like FF. It lacks a lot of features and Comments view is awful.
- Kol Tregaskes
and look how long google had grand central before they really even started doing anything with it.
- (jeff)isageek
So Friendfeed stays on as a side project instead of being abandoned. Does that really make a difference in the grand scheme of things? The service isn't going to grow by leaps and bounds either in audience or functionality now. I guess a slow death is easier for people to deal with than a quick one.
- Dare Obasanjo
Sam: i love that idea... email services dont have RSS (not that i can find anyway) i was looking for 5 hours for one afew months ago so i could put it in a private group to show up on my FF stream. but i ended up being dissapointed!
- Chris Clayton
I hope we all converge over to Google Wave and that some clever sod codes a FF-type service built on the Wave protocol. :-) GWave is great fun to use!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: are you going to send me a download link? :P im still waiting for it from the 'sneak peek' survey i filled out AGES ago!
- Chris Clayton
Whhhhhhat how`d you try it already?
- sofarsoShawn
Dare: there are lots of things that don't get many new features but are still very popular. FriendFeed still has way more features and is better technology than anything else I've seen in the marketplace. Maybe someone will eclipse it, but that won't happen soon and, yes, a slow death is definitely better than a quick one. Why? Cause you can make plans and change your behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Download link for GWave? Don't work like that. ;-) Just wait until 30th September, Chris. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: but september is too long to wait :( blame scoble for making me a social media addict! :)
- Chris Clayton
Hehe, it will fly by.
- Kol Tregaskes
Robert: if this is just about whether they'll shut off the servers or not then why is this even causing hubbub? Given the complaining of a vocal set of users I'm sure that even if they planned to shut off the site, it'll keep going for a while. However it seems obvious that all their innovative ideas and day time hacking should be filled with innovating on Facebook not here.
- Dare Obasanjo
As both Louis and I have said - these guys have been nothing but actions thus far and haven't let us down. I see nothing changing from that yet, so I suggest everyone continue that trust. They have done nothing to break that trust yet. And like I wrote about, Facebook needs them as much as they need Facebook - Facebook wants to change into something more of what FriendFeed is, from what I've seen and read.
- Jesse Stay
It's not about shutting the servers off for some (most?) folks, it's a matter of how you reconcile FriendFeed and Facebook's views on content licensing, ownership, and privacy; whether we'll continue to see innovation at a pace faster than what Facebook's user base has historically been comfortable with; and whether we'll see a continuation of Friendfeed's openness towards third party developers and the open source community.
- Ken Sheppardson
And as I've said over and over again, Jesse, I think most of us trust the FriendFeed folks as individuals, but that trust doesn't necessarily transfer to Facebook as an institution.
- Ken Sheppardson
I second Ken. Zuckerbergs plans/dreams are also a kind of wild-card here. They could be favorable to us FriendFeed users, or not. Up till now, Zuckerberg hasn't done much favorable for me. That sucks. I wish it were different.
- Meryn Stol
Say what you want about Facebook but Zuckerberg and/or Facebook has revolutionized the Internet by forcing people to be real. (not real-time) It even reflects on Youtube - the commenters aren't as moronic as they were say three years ago, since more and more people are using their real names and identities.
- Mona Nomura
It's always like this and it never turns out the way Paul says it will, though I believe his intentions are honorable. At some point you no longer work for the old company and you start working for the new one. My guess is this has already happened. Soon people from the old team will have their new assignments, and then one day the server will go down. They'll bring it back up, but...
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- Dave Winer
Damn, Dave. And I thought that *I* was a cynic.
- Akiva
Akiva, I've been through it myself, and been in Paul's position.
- Dave Winer
Dave, I don't doubt that at all. It's just amazing from my perspective to see it put so honestly. Well put, sir.
- Akiva
Only when I was in Paul's position, I had a simpler situation cause we were developing shrinkwrap software and our mission was supposedly unchanged. We didn't have servers that had to be kept up 24-by-7. Even so, six months after the merger, the whole thing was turned upside down and the team had all-new priorities and tons of people had left, including the top guy (me!). I would get...
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- Dave Winer
Well put, Mona!
- Jesse Stay
Dave, I expect it to change, but I also expect that Facebook is doing this for not just the team they just acquired. I think Facebook really wants this technology.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that may be true but they'll want it for Facebook. And if you're a fan of Facebook, that's great, Facebook's going to get better. But if you're not? If you're a a fan of FriendFeed? Then all you're going to end up with is a bastardized FriendFeed with lots of dipshit apps.
- Akiva
Jesse: I'm not so sure. The technology will need to be rebuilt for the Facebook infrastructure. That's one reason why Paul doesn't have good answers for us yet. He said he needs a few weeks to really dig into Facebook's code base before he even has a good idea of where he and the FriendFeed'ers can really add value.
- Robert Scoble
Akiva, I'm a fan of both. And you know you can ignore those apps - that's not something you can do on FriendFeed or Twitter. FriendFeed would have gotten just as bad as it grew.
- Jesse Stay
Dave: thinking back on why I joined FriendFeed, it was because I expected that the team would do something interesting in the future. That reason has now been fulfilled and now that these guys are at Facebook it'll be interesting to see what they do.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, where is the button to ignore the apps? I want to ignore all of them, all the time. Instead, I have to click hide on every single bloody one of them and still get notifications from people wanting me to add apps. I'd tolerate Facebook better if there was a magic "no apps, ever" button.
- Rochelle
Somewhat selfishly, I have just gained a whole load of new friends on Fb, here and on Google Reader and have learned loads about sharing and subscribing for which I thank you all :-) I will just watch and wait now, but I do agree that if everyone dashes off somewhere else and deserts FF, it could well hasten its demise. Best to try and use all the services and interlink them if we can.
- Julia Ault
Rochelle: I want you to install the FriendFeed app. :)
- Louis Gray
I am sure that FB was not happy if FF was going into MS hands or Google hands ,they bought it and now they will be the most important live and live search player on top of the best social community,,I am happy for them and for us as well ,they will keep our home and thats great news
- Johni Fisher
Jesse, this is true. I guess my real point is—aside from the easy-as-punch Facebook app snarking—that the very philosophies on which each service was built are essentially different. I'm not saying that these divergent ideas can't be unified. I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. I'm sure the...
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- Akiva
Wish I was a millionaire like him :/
- Mark
"I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. " - very well put, Akiva.
- Meryn Stol
Akiva, who says they will become one site? Why not enable the two communities to remain separate if they want, under the Facebook brand? I don't think we know yet what will happen.
- Jesse Stay
Good news because I love friend feed in it's current format.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, yes, we don't know for sure, but then again we don't know for sure - I don't see reason to change too much of our trust until something actually happens. I do know Facebook wants to open up more, while still retaining your right to privacy. The privacy thing is something FriendFeed (or Twitter) doesn't have, and I think would be a welcome addition.
- Jesse Stay
Rochelle, you have to do it either by app, or individual (unless I've missed the option). That said, I would kill for the ability to do that on FriendFeed or Twitter. They don't even have that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: FriendFeed doesn't have apps, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to; if you mean the ability to hide posts aggregated from a particular service, that's already there.
- Tristan Seligmann
Last I checked, Jesse, FriendFeed didn't have MafiaWars or Superpoke.
- Akiva
(If you click on "Hide", and then "hide other items like this one", you get a whole list of options)
- Tristan Seligmann
FriendFeed has a finite number of things to hide ("all items from Bob", "all Flickr posts", etc.). That's much more easy control than the thousands of apps on Facebook. It's like playing whack-a-mole over there. It feels like the more I hide, the more they appear.
- Rochelle
Akiva, Tristan, it's only a matter of time before the auto-dm apps appeared on FriendFeed. So long as FriendFeed grows, they will come. So long as it doesn't grow, it *does* disappear. There's no "hide all from the app that generated this DM" option on FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, and, with all of the hide options already present on FriendFeed, you don't think the devs would have had the presence of mind to include something similar for any supposed FriendFeed apps?
- Akiva
Akiva, I trust that they'll add that as much as I trust they'll continue to fight for FriendFeed at Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
They don't even need any extra options; you can already hide direct posts based on the application that created them. For example, if you hide this post of Robert's, you'll get the option to hide all posts by iPhone.
- Tristan Seligmann
Jesse, I think no-one doubts that *they* will fight. The question is if they win. They're just employees now.
- Meryn Stol
Again, I'm surprised that my own cynicism—legendary in its own right—is being beaten about the face and neck in this thread.
- Akiva
Meryn, I also know the Facebook team - they're just as competent as FriendFeed's. Their original audience started different than FF's, but they too have to expand.
- Jesse Stay
Holden: engagement.
- Robert Scoble
It's hard for innovators to stop innovating, and for entrepreneurs to lose the total freedom and self-reliance that drives them. Every entrepreneur that I know personally (only a few, alas!) who has sold for the big bucks has eventually gone on to create something else.
- Kathy Fitch
Jesse, as I said earlier, my lack of knowledge on the plans of Zuckerberg is the problem. Do you know Zuckerberg? In the end, he's gonna decide what appears on Facebook or not. Also, it's not so much a matter of competence than it is a matter of vision and taste.
- Meryn Stol
I'm sure the FB engineers are competent.
- Meryn Stol
And wouldn't it be fascinating to have a gander at the kinds of separation agreements folks who leave FB must sign? Almost as interesting as seeing the acquisition agreement in this case.
- Kathy Fitch
It's totally unclear if future conversations we might have on FB will ever be indexable by Google. (or any other search engine) That all depends on Zuckerberg's final say. I can't look in the guy's head.
- Meryn Stol
Sure seems like you're scrambling, Robert, to place yourself in the center of this when you were completely blindsided by the sale. Justs sayin'
- Mattb4rd
Louis, nope! Those are two separate worlds for me and I intend to keep it that way.
- Rochelle
Once you stop owning something you lose the ability to make promises about it. Good intentions or no. One hard headed business decision like FF is not earning its keep or we need the resources elsewhere and it's done. Been on both sides.
- Todd Hoff
The only thing that would make a real difference in this case would be an unambiguous statement from Mark Zuckerberg himself. Let him address the FF community and actually say what he will commit himself to. I suppose he's a man of his word.
- Meryn Stol
Good news. Doin' the right thing!
- Rob Schieber
Yeah sure! Promises Promises!!!
- Jose Luis Santos
Hmm. A whole lot of the sale was in stock options. Takes awhile to get fully vested. The next few years should prove very interesting.
- Kathy Fitch
How can you live up to that promises when you no longer own it?
- John D Reasor
Actions speak louder then words, and the key is the final decision is no longer up to him. I am sure Paul means every word he says I just not sure he is going to be able to keep it.
- Kim Landwehr
"Promises are a bourgeois invention and, anyway, they're meant to be broken." [V. I. Lenin quoted from inexact memory] by
- ianf ⌘
@louisgray's »If you see the post I put up last night...« <http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...> If you cared for others to read that post, you'd have included a direct link to it. It's the essence of hypertext, and any "Silicon Valley early adopter, tech geek blogger" worth the name would have done just...
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- ianf ⌘
It would make some business sense to keep FF as some kind of separate site/module, if just to stop another site taking it's place and becoming another competitor.
- Robert Littlejohn
Hi Ian! I get what you are saying, but sometimes, dropping links to my own posts in other people's threads looks like spam. I also believe a good number of people saw it, and know how to get it otherwise. That said, it's right here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Robert - To say Facebook is more interesting to work for than Google may be a stretch. While Facebook is growing exponentially and has challenges, Google faces HUGE challenges just staying Google ... while exploring new areas of growth. Keeping the index relevant is a big challenge in itself. On the other hand ... the 'FF guys' have worked there already and know how they feel about what direction they wanted to go ... which .. I think ... makes a little more sense?
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie: remember most of this team already worked at Google. Facebook is pre IPO. Google is not. The potential rewards are much larger at Facebook and the potential to have an impact is much larger at Facebook too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Posting links (references) to one's other posts "looks like spam"? That's news to me, and a lame excuse. In any event, given main difference between worlds of analog and digital publishing being ability in the latter case to refer back to source in unambiguous and granular fashion (rather than, as in analog, to indicate issue, chapter, page, verse, line, etc - if at all), not including...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf, I agree, but it feels like spam when you're doing it. Encourage him nicely.
- Bruce Lewis
i suspect that, if FF were to survive relatively unchanged it will be through an open-source effort. i doubt FF will survive as a stand-alone site w/ Fb paying the freight.
- MikeAmundsen
Keep in mind that despite the best intentions, nearly half of all sincere promises end in divorce.
- April Russo
Robert: I agree that the technology with great audiences don't get killed off, but the name of the game to the shareholders is money. It makes a ton more sense for facebook to integrate friendfeed into facebook, an already monetizable model, vs. leaving it as a de-coupled technology that has to have a new revenue model built for it.
- Erik Boles
like x1000
- Vezquex
With so much money still on the table in the form of stock options, there's certainly plenty of motivation to make FB stellar. If FF ends up being treated well, too (for whatever reason--a promise, a warm fuzzy feeling, its potential role in helping to make FB stellar), then I'm all for that.
- Kathy Fitch
There is a way to argue keeping FF going makes sense to FB: The important thing in social software ISN'T the software, it's the people who use it. If the people who use FF are sufficiently different to those on FB, then it could make sense to keep both services. Possibly they may end up using the same software, but have different brands. Think of VW group in cars (SEAT/Skoda/VS/Audi are...
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- Nick Lothian
Interesting thread. I think that Paul has the best intention and he will do everything he can to keep the existing service up. Dave Winer has a good summary of the forces he will have to fight against. Making a Facebook vs. Google vs. Microsoft decision was probably a hard one. I am wondering if Twitter was in the race too...Twitter + Friendfeed could have been a great team to go...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Why the outreach now and not earlier in the week? Has something spooked the FF team? Seeing people looking for alternatives, and poking around Google Reader, Streamy, SocialThing, perhaps? Robert said it himself, if people leave here, FF dies, and the team doesn't have a whole lot to sell to FB (yeah, arguably) and that could scotch the whole deal. So I'm just wondering why the outreach now?
- Dominic Jones
ianf: don't you know, links are dead? ;)
- Tristan Seligmann
read it from the begining, I'm happy FF crew is beginning to acknowledge the questions, Dave definitely has a point, but all-in-all I thought death was near, it looks like it gets delayed for some time. The main thing is ppl are still here although reader is the new playground...unfortunately the communication with their team isn't all that good...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, "read [297 more comments] from the begining" is not a good advice for anything, least of all here, in the Kingdom of Perpetual Constant Fragmentary Attention Overload, where realtime fly-by comments are the rule.
- ianf ⌘
Robert, thank you for sharing this info. I hope everyone got the message clearly. Wonderful news!
- Michael Fidler
from iPhone
It is not whether Friendfeed lives or dies. It's whether our free-wheeling, anarchic, community-driven approach will be replaced by the bland family-oriented guidelines of Facebook. Will we still be able to chuckle of Asian men on a beach, for example?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
hey all, we can't return to the past, what happen has already happened, now the question is this one, may a micro community survive inside a large community, the answer is YES, FF community can and may have the same social behaviour it has here, and when move to FB, we need just to preserve our connections, and to maintain the same behaviour. that all, but even ancients tribes don't survive without scarifying some of their tradition.
- abdellah
Will Friend feed just get - morphed into Facebook now? clearly they want to take on Twitter. I noticed that I tryed to remove my Friend feed from facebook recently because less techy friends complained that I take over there Friend feeds...! But I can't... mmmm
- PRBristolco.uk
FaceFeed. Nom nom nom.
- Marlin Forbes
My goodness, there needs to be a way to search comments...I scanned to see if Paul had chimed in, but didn't see that.
- Chad Gesser
Scobe: I hope he does chime in. I think he needs to since you broke that.
- Chad Gesser
Chad: I think he'll say more after he has a little time at Facebook and can give definitive answers as to what the FriendFeed team is going to do there. He told me that will take several weeks.
- Robert Scoble
no i didnt know that
- Chris Nwakalo
if so wonderful news
- Ronald
Facebook is genuinely interested in best in class customer experience. I can't yet envision what features or practices are incorporated or left behind, but it seems a positive move for users. There is always a die-hard loyal following that doesn't want to see their Freind (feed) go away. Heck, I still record The West Wing on Bravo.
- Jeff Marmins
Yeah i sure hope so robert. . i really rather not be on facebook.
- RamirezG
Chad, to aid in scanning, you can do a Ctrl-F (or equivalent) and search the current page for "- Paul Buchheit" and/or install my user script that adds a mini avatar to the beginning of each comment http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
Scoble, why do you think FriendFeed won't get sacrificed by Facebook management? Most sensible thing, to me, is to get FriendFeed integrated as a feature of Facebook, then eliminate the individual brand. Fact is, it's Facebook's decision at this point, unless the FriendFeed guys got something in writing to the contrary (which likely didn't happen). Sometimes you've got to go with your...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: it doesn't really matter. I've been on Facebook all morning and they already have a lot of FriendFeed's features. Soon the rest will be moved over too. And the servers won't get turned off anytime soon, based on conversations with FriendFeed and Facebook. So, for now, use it and be happy. Me? I've already been spreading out my social networking time just in case.
- Robert Scoble
and before he disappears into a part of the web that I can't find.....how do you say his last name? Boo-Kite? Buck-heat? Really, I don't know and I wanna know. Just so I know, You know?
- Morgan
Our next baby's initials spell out RSS. I won't reveal the name until we register the name.
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by register the name you mean domain name right?
- sean percival
Regis Sanford Scoble?
- drew olanoff
wow.........
- xero
At least it's not CRS.
- Derrich
Adam: he will fill my feed for sure!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Really Simple Scoble?
- Laura Norvig
Redford Scott Scoble
- Eric
Yeah. Domains and Facebook, etc.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert Stay Scoble?
- Jesse Stay
Romeo Stuart Scoble
- Eric
My initials are my name in pig-latin when you spell them backwards: SEJ
- Jesse Stay
epic EPIC win.
- Justin Gerard
Rupert Scott Scoble
- Eric
Ruth Sarah Scoble
- Mr K
His middle name will be Soroush. That means divine calling in Farsi.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Rihanna Sylvia Scoble
- Eric
Rowan Soroush Scoble
- Joan Lockwood
RSS is due September 26th.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Congrats, Robert!
- Joan Lockwood
Ronald Stuart Scoble
- Eric
Reginald Scott Scoble
- Eric
Really Small Scoble...of course
- Derrich
Robert (named after you) [insert a middle name starting with an s] Scoble
- Chris Martin
Robert Silent Scoble
- Ninoo
Really Sneaky Scoble
- Lon Cohen
Eric that has the best cadence. its a drumbeat name. will be easy to remember: Redford Scott Scoble
- Melanie Reed
You should Pubsubhubbub and get RSS here instantly.
- Andrew Smith
from fftogo
Excellent. I will subscribe.
- Louis Gray
Great way to get your wife on the RSS bandwagon :-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert Seymour Scoble (sorry, I had to say it).
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
My sons name was available the day he was born and then two damn days later some guy in Australia grabbed it.
- Hunter
I'm sure he'll be a Winer, too
- Jesse Stay
Really Simple Scoble?
- Lindsay
Rakiva Smoskvitz Scoble. (The R and the first S are silent.)
- Akiva
akiva
- Yolanda
Haha I know the name but I'm not saying! :-)
- Dave Winer
Awesome.
- Stefan Holmes
OMG IT'S EMBARGOED.
- Akiva
This is not the child's actual name: Really Simple Scoble. :-)
- Dave Winer
l dont think its difficult to name a child yall wn l had mine l had to create one which l later found found out to be a beautiful one..as long it has a meaning just do it..
- Pam Gwenzi
Its Robert Socble Second
- Sidharth Dassani
___ Soroush Scoble. What a fun game! Robert and Rasputin are likely out. And what a marvelous melding of names; American techie communities are full of cultural mashups. Here's to looking forward to 9/26 for mystery's end.
- Alex Howard
but RSS is a dead technology! </sarcasm>
- Tim Hoeck
Tim: well RSS's birth will be Twittered.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Hahahahahahhaha Robert!!!!
- Mona Nomura
My daughter's initials spell MES, and let me tell you - IT'S PROPHETIC. (be careful of the initials).
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Pfft! Robert's following in my footsteps. Audrey's birth was Twittered!
- Akiva
Akiva: Milan's was too and his first cry beat Obama to BlogTalkRadio by two years. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
my guess is Rasputin S. Scoble
- Logan Lindquist
I'll ponder a guess: Richard Scott Scoble?
- Thomas Ward
Damn you, Robert! [shakes fist]
- Akiva
Gerber just announced a new line of baby food called RSS Feed. ;o)
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
My own initials spell out RSS. LT, good one.
- Rob Schieber
Maybe that's not such a good idea, with Steve Gillmor parading around claiming it is dead. XMPP would be more apt, but don't ask me what the initial would stand for. One gnarly name.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Robert Scoble Scoble?
- Ryan Kuder
Robert Senior's Scoble?
- sebastian☆rocket brother
That reminds me of a humorous website where you could input letters like these and it would give you a humorously formed acronym - I remember bookmarking it and cant seem to find it...
- TrafficBug
Robbie St. Scoble?
- Bas
Robert Stanley like my dad?
- Yant
What brand of shampoo do you use?
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Head n shoulders
- Amir
Pantene.
- Derrick
Suave.
- Anika
Exxon. (Okay, American Crew.)
- Akiva
fake head and shoulders. the ralph's brand
- Morgan
Organix
- Shevonne
none, no hair, just use soap (lever clean, ahhh, ;)
- chaz2b
Head & Shoulders.
- Oguz Serdar
Right now it's Suave no tears for kids.
- FFing Enigma
<fake> Head and SHoulders
- Jason - The Opaque
Paul Mitchell and Regis. Derrick: FYI Pantene is probably best avoided. It's noteworthy that their commercials advertised _healthy-looking_ hair. Better to have healthy looking hair because it's healthy, no?
- Tanath
Tanath, what's wrong with Pantene? Although at this length, I could just use soap and water, I barely have any hair.
- Derrick
Unicorn tears
- Jemm
Unicorn tears?!
- Ben Parr
L'Oreal-Paris! :)
- 2icarly3
coming soon from ben "top 15 shampoos used by twitter users"
- Allen Stern
More like "Top 15 Social Media Shampoos." ;)
- Ben Parr
Derrick: Basically, their commercials are misleading, and it's not healthy. As I said, better to actually have healthy hair. :P
- Tanath
elseve!
- Betül
Boycott shampoo - demand real poo!
- Tanath
Tanath :D
- Jemm
Head n Shoulders
- Manantsoa
Clear
- Ahmed
Paul Mitchell
- Eileen Harris
Pantene
- Jamal Ahmad
er...what's hair?
- Fred Shively
NoDaddy.Com - Exposing the Many Reasons Not to Trust GoDaddy with Your Domain Names - http://nodaddy.com/
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