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[big] Amazing photo from gondola in China. Also my new desktop picture.
2yuz.com, Rebecca Sun, Mark Edmondson and 105 other people liked this
Your pic?
- Itachi
I wish.
- Kevin Fox
Woooohooooo. Damn.
- Fossil Huntress
Nice ;)
- niniane
WOW!
- Carlos Ayala
I just got vertigo, tipped forward and smacked my forehead into my monitor. Thanks, Kev.
- Mark Novak
I think that may be the flu more than the pic, Mark. ;-)
- Kevin Fox
LOL @Mark.
- Admiral Anika
Dazzling Scenic Picture. Not recommended for people with Vertigo
- Acharad-Sami-
GAH. Clicking away from this! *vertigo in full effect*
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
WHOA that is scary and cool all at the same time ... just stunning!
- Susan Beebe
just added this to "things I must see IRL before I die" list.
- FF's Bubba of Arizona
Neat. So where is this?
- Kekoa Proudfoot
Coooool !!
- Keiko Yamada
What if...
- Ozkan Altuner
from iPhone
Seems like Huangshan to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Yinhaiming
Amazing, indeed.
- Onur Kabadayi
Gorgeous! Do you know where is it?
- Nicolas Dufour
I need to go there.
- Parvez Halim
i would poop my britches.
- Joe Silence
Amazing! Do you where in China?
- Frank Da Silva
/r location
- Chris Hofmann
better than any roller coaster..
- Onur Gündüz
Woah... crazy! :D
- Joel Lovato
I'm guessing it's the only lift mentioned on Wikipedia for China: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... "access to mountain tops of Zhangjiajie National Forest Park in Hunan, China" a few pics via Bing: http://www.chinatravelca.com/uploads... , http://www.chinatravelca.com/uploads... , http://www.chinatravelca.com/uploads...
- Andrew C
i'd do it in a second.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I wanna ride!!
- nakachi
What if they took the gondolas off one day a week and turned it into a zipline?
- Kevin Fox
I'm wondering where the gondola locates in China?
- Xitong Liu
That's great- Thanks DAN !
- Wlassak
I didn't block you because I'm trying to "stifle conversation". I blocked you because I think you're an asshole.
Michael, A Mitchell, Matt Cutts and 11 other people liked this
Stop everything and watch this video from @jeffbezos -- the most underrated CEO of our time: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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That "customer first" attitude will drive him a long long ways.
- Aaron
Jeff is so committed to customer-centricity and efficiency, I wish he could occupy a portion of every US company's brain. Get the culture and customer relationship right, have a solid financial model and consistent product and communication delivery, and business growth has huge potential. No magic to it, yet so many companies fail at these basics. And those basics are scaleable. If you...
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- dave_blogworld
Amazon buying Zappos: http://om.ly/?Bcbm Congrats @zappos!
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That sure didn't surprise me
- Bulent Keles
Who will Friendfeed compete with? Plaxo requires login but aggregates all networks, Friendfeed aggregates public info (and maybe someday login required data). Flock, which requires download also aggregates your network into one place. What site could be the biggest threat to Friendfeed? I say web email sites like Gmail, Yahoo Mail, and MS Mail.
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power.com?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Google Wave. No, I am not kidding.
- Ben Parr
Ben, yes for sure.
- Jeremiah Owyang
FF would not compete with those sites if integration with blogging applications was better.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
or maybe nutshellmail
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Agree with Ben, Google Wave has all the bells and whistles, I'm waiting for it to unfold
- Julie Williams
Ben Parr: agree wholeheartedly, it's public, it's shared, it's conversations, it sucks things in
- Mark Essel
can friendfeed and google wave play nice? sorry first week with two puppies, that's the best vocabulary I can muster.
- Mark Essel
FriendFeed can leverage many google wave technologies and package them in a way that is not designed for internal communication/information consumption (which the current google wave client is designed to do)
- Chris Saad
Facebook as well.
- Louis Gray
are they going to open up their walled garden? http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
FriendFeed already competes with Facebook news feed - but it has none of the bloat - it is designed for someone to aquire it and deliver the facebook newsfeed experience for the openweb (Hint: Google)
- Chris Saad
My vote is Wave. But it's a premature, ignorant prediction.
- phil baumann
I think it's the Whole Web~~
- K.D.
Chris said it.
- Wade Dorrell
ff vs. the Whole Web K.D.?, madness!
- Mark Essel
Jeremiah, thanks a lot , your post sparked a conversation that's driving my attention away from my feed reader and a blog post about a new education/support infrastructure for entrepreneurs based on VC like support (not the capital, the knowledge of startup cycles/networking/market)
- Mark Essel
ACtually KD is on to something, if web sites as destinations go away, FF has that opportunity. Mark, sorry bud :)
- Jeremiah Owyang
@Mark Essel One evidence is that I look for content from the Whole Web(via search engine, digg,etc) in the past, but now I only go to friendfeed for content. For me, ff has won the competition against the Whole Web.
- K.D.
ahh but what is ff without the rest of the web?
- Mark Essel
it's a wonderful indexing service that brings information important/interesting/pertinent straight to your door. it's a personalized information delivery service (fantastic). folks go from ff to my blog, that's fine by me. What I'm trying to peddle is the hardest sell, ideas.
- Mark Essel
Google wave esp. with open API.
- Andrew Wilson
interesting analysis.. im not sure if friendfeed will ever go mainstream becuz to understand it means that you understand way more than the average internet users.. twitter is for the masses cuz anyone can write a few words and send out a tweet.
- Jason Pollock
Probably Google Wave
- Michael
Yes, Google Wave
- Svartling
passive entertainment
- Patricia
Good question, Jeremiah. Right now, no one. Google Wave if people run with it might be a competitor, but if they don't and Google does what it normally does with the technology on their own (little to nothing...Jaiku or Orkut, anyone?) then probably not.
- Neal Jansons
The Internet 'Absolutely' Will Become a 'Paid System' Within 5 Years - http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL...
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The days of the free Internet will draw to a close over the next five years
- andy brudtkuhl
from Bookmarklet
"The only missing link, according to Barry Diller, who cut his teeth building up over-the-air and cable TV networks: a good billing system,"
- andy brudtkuhl
“I absolutely believe the Internet is passing from its free days into a paid system. Inevitably, I promise you, it will be paid,” Diller said in a keynote discussion opening up the Advertising 2.0 conference held at his company’s futuristic glass building alongside the Hudson River in Manhattan. “Not every single thing, but anything of value."
- andy brudtkuhl
I agree with his statement ... As we come out of recession I foresee less free on the web as people learn to pay for value.
- andy brudtkuhl
"Consumers have learned to expect free content online, but that is nothing more than an “accident of historical moment that will be corrected,” Diller said. The only thing missing in making formerly free content into a paid model is a billing system, similar to Amazon’s “one-click” button or the iPhone’s easy downloading of paid applications, he said"
- andy brudtkuhl
The fact that content and services on the Internet so far have been largely supplied for no charge is “an accident of historical moment that will be corrected,” said Diller. - wow. not sure I agree although I can understand that point of view.
- Mike Bracco
I think he's right on... but I still don't want to pay for stuff :-)
- andy brudtkuhl
I read a recent article which argued that Internet access was a right and should be free. People who argue this point out that the vast majority of people on earth don't have Internet access and are living just fine. I'm not sure where I fall on this idea - I can see both sides.
- Mike Bracco
It's funny there's such a disconnect with consumers and content publishers... It's funny that I fall into both and I want to charge for stuff but I don't want to pay - so we'll have to meet in the middle
- andy brudtkuhl
@Mike that's funny.. It's a utility - we pay for utilities
- andy brudtkuhl
via MarketingCharts -> "As more media head honchos predict that valuable content online will become a commodity that must be paid for, a new study has found that the recession is impacting media consumption and causing more consumers to seek out more free content, reports MediaBuyerPlanner. "
- andy brudtkuhl
Somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy. By definition only things of value will be costly therefor your free stuff is worthless.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd yes exactly.. but isn't that how the web works now? The problem is value is subjective
- andy brudtkuhl
I wonder what Chris Anderson thinks of this... it falls in line with the Long Tail but not "Free" http://www.wired.com/techbiz...
- andy brudtkuhl
Leo - What do you think? You are in the business of providing extremely high value content for free
- andy brudtkuhl
Who's that a picture of? Looks like Little Big Man.
- Leo Laporte
@Leo haha that's Barry Diller - chief exec at IAC
- andy brudtkuhl
Diller is living in the past. He's 100% absolutely full of it.
- Leo Laporte
His opinion generally falls in line with that of the rest of "big media" ... are they going to force AOL down our throats again? Or has the web become too democratized
- andy brudtkuhl
Who believes the Internet is free? 1) We all pay taxes to manage the infrastructure. 2) I (and millions of others) pay for broadband access at home. 3) I (and millions of others) pay for broadband access through my mobile phone provider. The only thing that is "free" is that there are few/no additional taxes assessed on a 'per transaction' basis. But if anyone thinks the government...
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- Lorin Olsen
If micropayment systems improve, and they will, I imagine there will be lots of pay stuff. But there will always be advertising supported free content. Hell, that's how radio and TV have survived for 100 years.
- Leo Laporte
I wonder how Facebook's payment system will effect all of this.
- Mike Bracco
He's not talking about what you pay for Internet access Lorin. He's saying content providers will eventually charge you, too. He's right that there will be a lot more pay content. If I thought people would pay me 50¢ per show I'd dump the advertising model. But I don't think it will happen, plus when you charge for things you have to somehow prevent re-distribution. I have no desire to police my viewers.
- Leo Laporte
@Leo you are right on.. and micropayments are going to be huge (wonder where Paypal is in that market). But the idea is 100% correct. It's so easy for me to rent movies via Amazon from my Roku that I dont even think about it
- andy brudtkuhl
I'm not with the free crowd. I still use paid software all the time and I expect to pay for Internet software that has real value. Real value does not include Twitter or Facebook apps. Real value could include the Google Apps suite with big storage attached after it matures some more.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
@leo i think you could get .50 per show - I'd pay for it for sure.. But it has to be as easy as 1-click and consume. but you are right - that adds an extra layer of management and you'll run into the problem of people sharing them and your show on torrents trying to get around the pay wall
- andy brudtkuhl
People have been making this claim for a decade and it hasn't happened. Even a micropayment system doesn't solve the problem that people don't think they should have to pay for many types of content. Sorry I'm not paying to watch a cat play the piano on YouTube.
- Eoghann Irving
I don't believe in walls.
- Leo Laporte
@Eoghann that's where subjective value and the long tail come in... There are probably enough people out there that are willing to pay for that to make it profitable
- andy brudtkuhl
@andy brudtkuhl Not if there's any way for them to get it for free. Movies, tv shows, podcasts, even comics. That I can see. But not the smaller stuff. The free internet is not going away.
- Eoghann Irving
Sigh. My thoughts on my blog: www.dailypatricia.com
- Patricia
Will there be enough people with jobs to pay in the West or will Barry be getting most of his revenue from those in Asia?
- courtney benson
@courtney haha he's actually making 1.5billion/year on his internet properties, primarily targeting the U.S.
- andy brudtkuhl
@Eoghann I don't see free going anywhere either but the amount of premium content is on the rise - both from entrepreneurs and big media
- andy brudtkuhl
The core reason, imho, that micropayments haven't worked is not a technology problem. It is that the difference between "free" and "not free" is much greater than the difference between $.05 and $.50. If Leo made TWiT cost $.05, his listener base would probably go down 70-80% overnight. If he made it $.50 instead, it might go down 75-85% but not proportionally 10x as much. This is a psychological problem more than a 1-click problem.
- Keith Fulton
It always seems that this line of reasoning is coming from people looking to fit the internet into their old business models. (Much like the journalism argument on this weeks TWIT btw) The funny thing is, like Leo mentioned, advertising to pay for content isnt new. This is how broadcasting has worked for years. And a big problem is that if you try and restrict people getting access to...
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- William Kapes
Well said, WIlliam!
- Leo Laporte
Micropayments aren't necessary to monetizing content. VALUE to the user is. People pay $20 a month to get past backstage.com's paywall to get their content and casting notices, same with tons of other sites. It is not about charging people something cheap -- it's about creating what they're willing to pay for. I used to pay to see Madonna concerts on cable. You pay for voice mail...
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- Patricia
+1 William
- andy brudtkuhl
Yeah, well, maybe somebody will figure out how to make some serious money with advertising on the internet. Then everybody will just follow their lead. /sarcasm
- John Speck
Also, +1 Patricia
- andy brudtkuhl
People will never pay for something which someone else is willing to give away for free. And given how cheap it is to offer, people will always being willing to give it away for free for the sake of marketshare. The economics dictate that the price will always fall to zro.
- Eric P
@John people advertise on the internet? I hadn't noticed :P
- andy brudtkuhl
@Eric, that's true, but not everybody will have the same access, resources, etc. to create the same thing as other content provides. Some things will be free, some things will be paid, and that is okay because it won't be dictated by anybody but the user. It is your choice to pay for cable or not, your choice to add SMS texting to your phone, etc. Nothing is new in the world -- just a...
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- Patricia
andy - I so want to walk into the office of my local fishwrap, er, newspaper and beat the publisher senseless with a rolled up Google annual report.
- John Speck
yeah and everyone will start paying for mp3's.....,wait, what?
- Toby Graham
@Eric - the Long Tail theory has the exact opposite conclusion... the long tail never reaches 0 as there is always someone willing to pay for something
- andy brudtkuhl
@Toby I admiittedly used to download all my music via BitTorrent - until amazon made it 1-click easy to buy music at a good price ($4.99/album)
- andy brudtkuhl
@john haha everyone does!
- andy brudtkuhl
On the idea of the Internet becoming a payed system I agree with William, "It always seems that this line of reasoning is coming from people looking to fit the Internet into their old business models." To me this concept totally overlooks the value of providing content as a service not a product. The next web is one that provides content as a means to enable interaction and...
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- Robert Freeze
@robert, i think you're talking about two different things. the web is a content play and a utility/service play -- you can be both, but you can be one or the other too. at the end of the day, however, those who create VALUE for the user, regardless of what the product or service is, is who will make money online -- it is a model that has survived far more disruptive times than this.
- Patricia
Agree with Diller's view, wrote about the same thing back in April (http://www.raoulpop.com/2009...). Ad revenue is insufficient for smaller web publishers, but a proper micropayment system would be perfect and would allow people to go on creating good content, long-term.
- Raoul Pop
Concerning paying for content, and the idea of doing it voluntarily through donations...micropayments...I think an article written by the founder of donationcoder.com might give many food for thought, explain why most people don't want to donate, and some of the things that can be done to change that. http://www.donationcoder.com/Article...
- April Russo (app103)
i wish people would stop evangelizing micropayments. Why would we train the users to pay us the least amount possible when there is no proof that they won't pay more? If anything, there is more proof that they will. It's such a limited way of thinking to assume it has to be micropayments. What has failed to prove this? Nothing. Again, create what is valuable to the user and you'll make money, period. It doesn't need to be a micropayment for it to work.
- Patricia
Try and charge for the Internet and watch all of your customers systematically destroy your business model. If companies could charge and get away with it, they wouldn't wait for 5 years.
- casey wright
from BuddyFeed
@Casey, people are already paying for the internet. What internet provider gives people free service? Paid content will be a user CHOICE. There is a difference. Some of the web content will be free. Some won't.
- Patricia
“People have paid for content,’’ [Diller] said. “They always have.” -- That would seem to be the fundamental flaw in his whole worldview right there. Assuming that because people "always have", they always will do something.
- Ken Sheppardson
@ken, it's true. I could list countless examples. The internet is the first platform anybody is expecting to be fully ad supported - there is not enough money to go around to do it, just like with every other content environment out there. This is not a case of the evil media hitting the little guy, people -- if it were, it's not the first time it's happened. We share the expense of...
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- Patricia
@Patricia: Why would I pay one telecom for SMS when another is giving it away for free? Why would I pay for a news article when the same thing is avaialable for free on a dozen other sites? Why would I pay to watch a TV show or movie when I can get it for free, from the pirate bay if the content owner doesn't offer it on a site like hulu? And more to the point - what does it matter that...
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- Eric P
@Patricia you are spot on... Goes back to subjective value (is this worth paying to me?) and the long tail (there's always a niche market to sell your content). Free content and premium content will coexist as they always have on the web
- andy brudtkuhl
@Eric, the reality is, good content costs money. You want good content for free, you don't want to pay for it, there isn't enough advertisers to go around for it. Guess what will happen? Bad content. Which will spark the creation of good content, which people will pay for. You have a choice, but don't expect the web to be any different - same world, different platform. If anything, be...
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- Patricia
But not everything of value will be exchanged for quid pro quo payment. Look at Ubuntu. It's free. By giving away something of value, Canonical is building a market of folks willing to pay for their other services. Give away the razors, charge for the blades. That doesn't mean razors don't have value. Give away phones, charge for the service. Give away ebook readers, charge for the books.
- Ken Sheppardson
Or you can flip it around... charge for the ebook reader, but give away the books. Charge for the music player, but give away the music. Technology is changing the way we can think about business and making money and it's providing the opportunity for entirely new business models. Diller's missing that.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's odd that we have to sell the sizzle and not the steak to be able to make a living.
- Todd Hoff
@Ken, agreed. It's six and a half or a dozen. Telco carries make very little money off the actual services they provide -- and everything off the added things like SMS and voice mail. BTW, people think that stuff is "free" but it's not -- it's baked into the fixed cost paid. Regardless, these discussions are nonsensical. What people should be talking about is what creates VALUE to the...
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- Patricia
On my site I give people the option of stopping ads for a month for everyone (not just themselves) for 3 bucks. So far everyone chooses ads. I use tipjoy as the micropayment provider.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Where I do agree is that the idea you can fund something purely on "standard" advertising (banners etc.) is horribly flawed. There's just too much (and increasing) competition for the advertising dollar now. But there are other more engaging forms of advertising. TWIT does this quite well their sponsors. The new Digg model is interesting too.
- Eoghann Irving
@Patricia: "The reality is, good content costs money". The reality is, no it doesn't. Flickr has a billion photos, 10% of them are great, .01% are masterworks. Do I care that there's some master photographer out there who doesn't want people to see it for free? Not really, and I'm not going to pay to see his photos either. There are people who are willing to generate content and give it...
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- Eric P
@eric, actually, every time you buy a magazine, you pay for a photographer's photos.... but i hear what you're saying. at the end of the day, the world will include both free and paid online -- just like the world did last year, ten years ago, etc. It's never happened how you're describing before and isn't likely to now, but it's not necessary to convince you. But, to say paid content...
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- Patricia
Buy a magazine? Who does that? Anyway, I've had photos published in magazines. One wrote me a check - that was for a cover image. The rest asked permission, I let them use it for free. Why? Because if I'd said "no" and tried to demand money, they'd have said "Whatever" and went to the next in line photographer who *would* have let them publish it for free. The benefit I get is...
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- Eric P
The content creators who survive (thrive) will be the ones who sell scarce services *around* their content and give the content away for free. The photographer who uses Flickr to promote himself for wedding gigs, the band who gives away mp3's and sells concert tickets. Eventually movie studios will figure out they're not selling movies, they're selling a theater experience (their one...
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- Eric P
This a great discussion and tried to read through most comments before I posted. I saw this developing and not expanded but, we do pay for Internet today access-wise and content just happens to be distributed on this access medium. Content producers are the retailers if you compare it to say a downtown shopping strip, where the night clubs may charge a cover to see the headline act but,...
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- Jason Cronkhite
@Raoul + all, speaking of a micro-payments system - has anyone used or had experience with the new Contenture system :: http://contenture.com/ ?
- Jason Cronkhite
WRONG
- Nicholas James
Infiormation will continue to be free, but the pressure to add "real" value to the touchpass of data we currently have to sift through will compel "major" outlets to charge "for the good stuff." I, for one, would be happy to pay the NYTimes and the BBC and select others for bringing me the very best stuff, for they add the very most value.
- Tony Long
Jason, thanks, it looks interesting, I'll try it out.
- Raoul Pop
Thanks for that, @ScottBourne. That debate (as you know) was long & continued to parallel the one over "free" Internet content. Micro-payments were always an attempt to set a price point users would accept. For mainstream media it is seen as income to supplement ads.
- George Frink
Attention is a form of payment, collected by sites that derive revenue through advertising.
- Mike Chelen
Should Hugh swear so much? - http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...
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Amen!
- Michael
@GrahamGudgin Use Seesmic Desktop ... it makes working with multiple accounts easy!
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iPhone 3.0 update is free....$9.99 for Touch. Available June 17th
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not yet
- Zee.
here it comes!!
- Andrew Terry
I only hope they have fixed all the bugs in the current developer release, my iPod touch has been slow and likes to lock up or crash ever since I upgraded.
- Arthur Guy
Friendfeed'ers STAY TUNED to http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- when I start my speech today I will ask the audience for something they would like to learn and YOU will teach them in real time! I want them to see the power of interacting with a crowd in live time and will put you up on screen. My speech starts at 4:20 p.m. Eastern Time.
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This should be a fun experiment. 300 eLearning pros are here in Virginia and will be watching/participating.
- Robert Scoble
Standing by...
- Paul T Maurer
Paul: cool. It's about 45 minutes from now.
- Robert Scoble
meaning in minutes from now?
- Adri Munier
Hello from Richmond, VA!
- Mike Lewis
Adri: yeah, as I post this comment it's 3:41. I'm on stage at 4:20 (or possibly later, if it's like most conferences and running behind at the end of the day a few minutes).
- Robert Scoble
Hope it's easy questions. ;-p
- ronin
i'll be waiting, thx!
- Adri Munier
Yes, boss.
- Louis Gray
So, that's just 9 minutes to go. Back from work in time.
- Ton Zijp
Rodger that...
- Ross Miller
OK ITS 4,18edt .. SO WHATS THE QUESTION ?
- Peter Dawson
Peter: I'm just about to start, coming shortly.
- Robert Scoble
COOL! this is a brilliant idea scoble.. most people dont really understand how useful social media can be.. u rock for helping ppl see!
- Jason Pollock
Here as a virtual particpant. Hey Robert, anyone doing a QIK livestream to watch along?
- Ken Camp
hehehe..we should all comment on every other item of scobles. rather then the questions that he ask at this speech.. why ?? the one last commented on ..will bubble up to the top.. and the question will buried at the bottom !! - dirty me..me bad !! LOL
- Peter Dawson
What's my pay for this?
- Steve C
Robert, I'm from Rome, Italy, I'd be glad if I could give a helping hand
- Simone Tedeschi
Obama's was better :)
- Sean Alexander
I am going to invest some time in using Friendfeed as a front-end for managing my social network flow. It's tools are way underrated.
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ding ding ding
- andy brudtkuhl
I sense a blog post coming on...
- Brian Watkins
still needs better notifications ... I don't want to give FF my full attention to stay connected to the flow
- Jonathan Greene
Sounds intriguing, would be good to know how, exactly
- Bob
Details please.
- Mark Krynsky
Welcome, Steve.
- Louis Gray
:)
- Nicholas James
It takes a little figuring out to get the gazintas and gazoutas aligned to eliminate dupes, but once it's set up properly it's pretty cool.
- Alan Chamberlain
I've just added FriendFeed as my RSS reader and in the process of ditching Google Reader. If FF supported Hellotxt/Ping.fm then it would be wipe out those Chrome tabs. Then if it allowed us to bulk import our Twitter (non-FF) friends then it would be my Twitter client. Gosh, if it was a "wave" it would be my email client. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol, FF is actually becoming kind of an email client for me, and for the small part of my "pals" who joined a private goup of mine on friendfeed. "Direct message" functionnality is cool for that reason : if he's around, he'll be notified. If he's not, he'll receive a regular email. I guess some not-so-far-from-now day, the term "mail" will be deprecated, and we'll talk about "messages", or, better "flows", "streams"... "Did you get my stream?"...
- Zackatoustra
Agree. I'm relatively new to social media but find FriendFeed offers me the most value, so that's where I find myself focusing. Must be something here. I'd be very interested to hear your analysis of FF after a while.
- Hamilton Wallace
Zackatoustra, if only I could get all my friends onto FF or FF allowed for non-FFers to use my FF email (koltregaskes@friendfeed.com) to email me. Or perhaps I could set up a forwarding rule that posts everything to me to go to the ff.com address, hmmm.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ah yes, forward an email to your ff.com address only gives you the subject name and no content apart from perhaps your signature that was added after the forward. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol - I too would like to use my FF email. Right now I auto forward some email to a private group (secret email). The subject is the FF title and body (text only) is added as a comment. When manually forwarding, I noticed the same behavior that you did.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
I love using FF as my main "Social App", but I found it difficult to replace Google Reader.
- Shawn Hickman
Shawn, in what way?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kevin, so you are auto-forwarding them? I'll try it in Gmail.
- Kol Tregaskes
I felt like I was missing too many stories. In Google Reader I can easily see what I read and what I didn't. If you have any suggestions, I would love to hear them because I love FF
- Shawn Hickman
interested to know exactly what this looks like for you Steve. Would make a good blog post.
- Thomas Hawk
Kol - yep, I set up a filter in Gmail to auto forward.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
You've discovered The Secret - good to see you
- Jesse Stay
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Shawn, no good points. I tend to make the last one by liking it, that way when I check the groups again I can see where I go to before.
- Kol Tregaskes
Here's a tip, why not forward to new FF subscribers and invites to your DM? Just set it up now and will see if it works (all you need is the link to the user's page).
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I've tried the solution you suggests(forwarding mails) , but that doesn't work : the "non-FFers" receive an annoying message each time their mail is fwed to FF : "Hello, Your email message to FriendFeed (included below) was sent from an unauthorized email address (<non-FFer>@gmail.com) and requires approval. Please click on the link below to approve or reject this message. http://friendfeed.com/approve....
- Zackatoustra
Zackatoustra, I never said it worked, I said I wish it did. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
It would be a great feature but of course it will open FF up to spam email.
- Kol Tregaskes
Couldn't agree more w Steve. Moving back in that direction again too
- Charlie Anzman
What about Google Wave and FriendFeed integration? (Assuming Wave arrives soon)
- Tyson Key
Is anyone aware of a primer on this topic? I am not a FF power user
- Bob
Bob, not to toot my own horn, but you might like this article I wrote: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I am going to start using more of the things it has to offer, its a matter of getting into the habit of using regularly I suppose
- fmclean
respectful "duh"
- Josh Haley
I just started doing this a couple of weeks ago and so far so good. Definitely agree its tools are underrated.
- Mike Elliott
I wish Friendfeed had much more powerful features and tools for managing large research collections -- but it seems to be focusing on the conversational aspects of social media on its current development path.
- Sean McBride
converted blog embeds into ff embed. they load faster
- Noah David Simon
@SweetSoaps 94 deg. projected for today in LV. Just starting the HOT season. But, hey, it's a dry heat!
Michael liked this
Squelching rumors that Audrey is no longer cute.
sofarsoShawn, nakachi, Jennifer Dittrich and 65 other people liked this
been saving that one just in case huh?
- Matthew DeVries
Definitely squelched. What a sweet picture.
- Trish R
<comes up with a new rumor>
- Sparky
She is so full of cute that she could give cute away every day for the rest of this decade and she'd still be SUPER cute. Possibly the sweetest baby in all of Seattle. <3!
- ♥patricia♥
Who said she's no longer cute? Youse want me to take care of them for youse?
- Sharon McPherson
AWWWWWWWWWW!
- Josh Haley
Yeah, who says she is no longer cute?
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Refuse to get sucked in by cutenessss.....Like.....crap.
- CAJ, somewhere else
rumor mongers just got bitchslapped
- Pete Delucchi
For the record, the 'vicious rumor' was really just someone's clever way of strong-arming another picture of Audrey out of us.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Let's see one of her holding today's newspaper. :-)
- Bruce Lewis
I love this picture. She looks so content and peaceful. And the rumors are wrong, she's still cute as hell!
- Aviv
Bruce, I'll freak you out by showing a photo of her holding tomorrow's newspaper.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yes, that would freak me out. Only Australians and Kiwis are supposed to be able to travel into the future.
- Bruce Lewis
What a silly rumor. She is like the cutest baby ever. You can't undo that!
- Alix Whitmire
aww... *runs to grab one of his overgrown babies to cuddle*
- Adrian
Oh so sweet!
- Myrna
Also blows up another Audrey theory, that it's her eyes that make her adorable.
- Matthew DeVries
Crap - you just overloaded the cute capacitor in my MBP. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW EXPENSIVE THOSE ARE TO GET REPLACED?
- Sparky
Via http://trkk.us/t/?56275 Common Mistakes in Brochure Printing http://trkk.us/t/?56276 NC
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Charleno Pires, Michael and Stylish Eve liked this
I am a mommy!!! I just gave birth to a little boy less than an hour ago :) baby and mommy and daddy are doing GREAT!!
Wesley Faulkner, david beckwith, JenniferBhalaHansen and 220 other people liked this
w00t!!!!
- Derrick
Congratulations!
- Trish R
Mazel tov!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Mazel tov! Do you have a name yet? I can't wait to see pictures! :)
- Rochelle
Congrats!
- Louis Simoneau
I would not be upset if you named him Akiva.
- Akiva Moskovitz
congrats!
- Costa Walcott
Why'd you take so long to tell us? (j/k)
- Bruce Lewis
I love your IM status.
- Ben Parr
hooray! Congrats!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
pics, or it didn't--uh, I mean congratulations
- MiniMage - HLtW
Gratz!
- Rob Haas
Wow, that's wonderful! You must be doing well! Congrats!
- jcunwired
Congrats:)
- Rodfather
Wow, Congratulations!!!
- jamar78
Congrats!
- *Tiffany Diamond*
Congratulations!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
congradulations, rest dont tweet, ;)
- chaz2b
Congrats Tamar :-D
- Mitch
Thanks everyone! Pics coming soon. :)
- Tamar Weinberg
congrats!
- sean percival
congratulations!!
- Trish Haley
Congratulations!
- Paola Bonomo
Awesome! We'll bring over scobleizer 3.0 in October for play dates!
- Robert Scoble
Congrats!
- Hunter
Congratulations!
- Barry Owens
Congratulations! This is awesome!
- Samar
Congratulations!
- Leena
Mazel Tov.... and already FFing. That's quick.
- Jason Mayoff
Congratulations! Don't blink, he'll be all grown up.
- Leigha Baer
:D Happy Family!
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
Congratulations!
- joey
Congrats, too~
- yagami
Of all the tweets one could ever post, this is by far the most beautiful. Thank you for sharing the moment with us so we could celebrate life with you. Congratulations!
- Eric Traub
HOO-RAY!!!! Congratulations, Tamar. :)
- Steven Perez
grats!!!
- Joshua Schnell
yay! congratulations!
- Bren - Minister of Mayhem
Welcome to the club! Congratulations on the family addition.
- Sally: reading a book
congratulations!
- Brett Kelly
Pictures? Video? Weight? Name?
- Robert Scoble
Mazel tov http://sphinn.com/story...
- Sam Fefer
Horrray!
- Erin @queenofspain
I will be there in September again. I can't wait to see your baby! And Milan needs more friends. And Scobleizer3.0 needs more mentors! :-) Enjoy every day, it goes so fast!
- Robert Scoble
Mazel tov
- Helen Sventitsky
Congratulations!
- Jeremy Wiles
from BuddyFeed
Congrats!
- Geoff Schultz
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, little one. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Congradulations on the little one!!!
- Megan B Carroll
Congratulations to you! Whooo!
- WorldofHiglet
mazeltov!
- Karim
Congratulations!
- Mo Kargas
Congratulations!
- Gambit Fauri
Congrats!!!
- BeeLing
Congrats!! :)
- Tad
So happy for you, yay!
- Laura Norvig
I don't know you, Tamar, but you still get a mazel tov! (You're on my FF via other folks I follow.) Much health & happiness to you & your family.....
- Alan Mairson
now I ved seen everything on Twitter!
- Diva of Dish
Congratulations!
- RAPatton
Yay new FF baby!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
That was kind quick! W00t
- Caroline
Wow! Congratulations! I believe it is picture time! (Waits)
- Louis Gray
Congratulations !!!
- Nir Ben Yona
damn. congrats to your and your family.
- Cee Bee
congrats!!! this should be a first for FF - Rob Scoble will know...
- Rahul Deodhar
First What? I Twittered and FF'd my son's birth 9 months ago (p.s. not to take away from you Tamar, Congrats!)
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Congratulations Tamar!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Congratulations :D
- MoiN AnjuM
Congrats, Tamar! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
woot!
- Michael Bailey
This is so cool, thanks much for letting us know, and so soon after the birth too! Gotta love microblogging on the internets!
- jcunwired
Yay! So happy for you and your family.
- Yolanda
Congratulations!!!!!!
- Amit Morson
Yay!!!!
- Steve Lowe
Awesome congrats! I like how you let us know that you, baby AND daddy are doin OK. We know how daddys have a hard time sometimes! LOL jk Congrats to all!
- Manny
CONGRATULATIONS! Yay to the new family!
- Anna Lynn M.
hey congrats!
- (jeff)isageek
YEAY!
- Shevonne
Woo hoo!
- ha3rvey (sayin' nothin')
wow congrats!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
wohooo!
- Alfredo
Congrats!
- Kate
Mazel tov!
- cartoongoddess
Congratulations!
- Heather Solos
Congrats!!! :)
- Carmen is cold!
Wow Tamar, congrats!
- Jorge Escobar
Congrats. Take care yourself and the baby =)
- Praveen Vasudev
Congratulations! now get offline and start mommying, we'll still be here.
- Steve C
Congrats! It's great to be a parent.
- Steve E
Congrats!!!
- Borislav Borissov
Congrats!!!!
- Steve Rubel
Congratulations Tamar. That is wonderful to hear. Now, get some rest; you'll need it :)
- Angie Haggstrom
from twhirl
Congratulations !! be well and happy =)
- Ruhani Rabin
congratulations!
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Oh Tamar, congratulations and I can't wait to see pictures! Btw what's BABBY's name?
- Mona Nomura
Tamar, great news! Congratulations, mama. Best wishes to you and your family!!
- Victoria Plautia
Congratulations!!!
- Thomas Hawk
Congrats!
- Matt Cutts
Congratulations!
- Michael R. Bernstein
Congrats, Mommy!
- Mike Fruchter
Awesome. My sister just gave birth today too.
- Nick Humphries
Congrats! :)
- Eric Logan
woo, congratulations!
- Imabug
congratulations!
- Cristian
Wow! Congrats...
- Bindu Reddy
YAY!!!! Congratulations! That's so awesome!
- Josh Haley
Congrats!!!
- Tracy Benham
YEAH! Mazel Tov! Now stop playing on Twitter! :)
- Justin Korn
Mona, baby's name won't be announced until after the bris!
- Rochelle
so what's his first computer going to be?
- Zee.
Wow. Grats!
- Bradley Farless
Mazel tov! ^^
- pitlord
woohoo...congrats!
- Dan Rua
grats!
- Neal Jansons
Congrats Tamar, be sure to get him a Twitter account soon :)
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
There's a bad Twitter + Boobs = Yummy joke in there Jeremy
- Kevin Kuphal
What's his/her twitter username, Tamar? LOL
- Jorge Escobar
Needs and email address first. littlenoob@techipedia.com, perhaps? :p
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Congrats! Impressive to be back on twitter within an hour :)
- Thomas Bøhm
Congratulations! Wonderful news!
- Joie at Canned Laughter
Congrats. I was wondering what you have been up to and now I know. Enjoy every minute you can.
- Amani
Congratulations!
- Andy Tinkham
Awesome Tamar!
- Hutch Carpenter
Glad to hear that Daddy is doing great.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
what a great Mom this boy has! His Mom is Tweeting his birth! We live in such great times . . .
- Richard Sorrentino
Yay!
- Ron Bailey
Congrats!!!
- Dinesh Mohan Raturi
Congratulations!
- Kreg Steppe
congrats!!!! enjoy, this is only the start of an amazing life journey.
- susan mernit
CONGRATS!!! =D
- David Cook
:-D
- Pete Delucchi
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
- Adriana
Robert, you're bringing Milan to NYC in October? Nice. :)
- Tamar Weinberg
How did that rumor start? Nope, no Milan to NYC.
- Robert Scoble
oh, no play dates then as I probably won't be traveling to anywhere in a long time!
- Tamar Weinberg
Hey Tamar your baby is "liked" by over 220 people and it's just a few days into this world, not too shabby.
- Steve C
Baby boy is resting on mommy's chest as she leans back on a chair updating her FriendFeed. As for the other questions... he doesn't have a name yet. His Bris will be Thursday and we'll name him during the ceremony. The only video the hubby took was me calling his great grandma while the doctor was yelling at me to put my phone down (no, I couldn't actually tweet that I was pushing. I did it as soon as I could!) ;) Weight: 5lb 14oz at birth.
- Tamar Weinberg
Congrats!
- Johnny
Congratulations!!! Awesome news. And yet I'm so freaked out that you're Tweeting an hour after giving birth. Good lord, rest a bit!
- Dana Todd
Welcome to parenthood! Your FriendFeed time is now officially reduced. ;>)
- Larry Hawes
haha Dana, I'm such a computer nerd/workaholic. I didn't even take a real maternity leave.
- Tamar Weinberg
Congratulations!
- Emee Pumarega
Wonderful... Congratulations on your new baby boy!
- Mitchell Tsai
Wow Tamar! I had no idea! Congratulations! :)
- Michelle Tripp
I am now switching over to make friendfeed my official twitter client.
Thierry R. Andriamirado, Neurario, KyNam Doan and 109 other people liked this
Why?
- Tadhg Kelly
because friendfeed rocks!!! thats why :)
- (jeff)isageek
seriously though...I am using friendfeed more and more and now with saved searches I can create friends lists and pull just their twitter messages and follow them like i would with tweetdeck or whatever. once saved searches go real time that will be awesome!
- (jeff)isageek
plus if someone is not signed up for friendfeed or not streaming their twitter posts...no problem...just create an imaginary friend and there you go!
- (jeff)isageek
I'll join you this week, when I start back Twitter-ing. been on friendfeed only since sat. yes it rocks!
- Wayne Sutton
from BuddyFeed
jeff what about mobile/iphone updates that you want to post on friendfeed then to twitter ? I'm using buddyfeed now and don't think there is a way...
- Wayne Sutton
from BuddyFeed
wayne yeah that would be one mobile limitation of using friendfeed as your twitter client at this time that I can think of. without saying every posted message via friendfeed goes to twitter I dont think that is possible.
- (jeff)isageek
what would be kool is if friendfeed would add like a switch command like say #tw or something that tells the system. ok post this via my mobile to friendfeed but also post it to twitter.
- (jeff)isageek
as a matter of fact i think i will add that to the friendfeed feedback as an option i would like to see
- (jeff)isageek
Yeah, it already is half way there for me as well. I don't have too many imaginary friends though, but I'm with you on this.
- Parth Awasthi
the other issue with twitter messages is obviously to get the @ replies they would have to be one of your friends. so you might have to check twitter.com from time to time to see if someone you are not following @ messaged you. you could grab the rss feed of twitter search but it doesnt show you the name of the person who sent the message in the rss feed.
- (jeff)isageek
Today, I unfollowed anyone on twitter who had an FF account, and subscribed to them here. Down to 100 people. One of them joined FF, but he made a good point when he said FF needed more effort than twitter (initially, at least). People need to setup a personal "system" (lists + filters) before they can reap the advantages FF has over twitter.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan yes...I think people who say friendfeed sucks or dont understand how it can help them have not found the saved searches. those things are really key to getting so much more out of friendfeed then watching your home stream fly by.
- (jeff)isageek
Do you think it would be a good idea for FF to provide a "template" of sort ? I think they provided some default lists in the old site, perhaps they should provide some group subscriptions, some default, common filters ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
i think really the main thing is just us the friendfeed junkies blogging and just talking about how awesome the saved searches are and how powerful they can be.
- (jeff)isageek
i think if your average user or even power user who is not familiar with them see's and hears about them in action they will be like wow that is a great feature and a reason to use friendfeed other then to create a stream of all your activities
- (jeff)isageek
Hmm. Is there a useful guide anywhere that explains how to set this up? I'd be interested to try it out but find a lot of how friendfeed works kind of complicated and I don't usually have the time to dig into it.
- Tadhg Kelly
Tadhg if you are looking for info on the saved search stuff i recommend checking out the FF saved searches group http://friendfeed.com/ffss as well as bwana did a great show on the power of them http://sn.im/gdmxs
- (jeff)isageek
In fact, if you think about it FF doesn't have one killer feature as such. Lists, Discussions, Searches, Likes - they're all subtle tools that can be used in diverse ways. I guess we just need to demonstrate them to our friends.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I think this whole discussion is a prime example of how much communicating with a large group is so much better on friendfeed then twitter. can you imagine coming in 5 messages ago and getting what has all been said by following @ replies and we could never have the threaded conversation and long responses.
- (jeff)isageek
1up jeff
- BEX
I would be 100% on FriendFeed now if I weren't running a service that had Twitter support. It's a much more cozy environment.
- Jesse Stay
i hear ya jesse I really liked your blog post about using twitter with gmail and started using it. great way to do it...but it all came back to me wanting to get as much as I can into friendfeed and staying at this great place :)
- (jeff)isageek
Next step, turn off Twitter on FriendFeed! Weaning yourself from the tit - er twitter - is painful but strangely satisfying.
- Leo Laporte
Twitter is the worst part of friendfeed! As people have said, it's the little differences that make ff what it is!
- Chris Lloyd
that would be a big step leo. I dont know if i am ready to go that far yet. I still have a lot of friends who use twitter that i want to keep in touch with so for now I will stick around there :) but i am slowly making the move towards what you are saying for sure.
- (jeff)isageek
Jeff, you could post from here, turn off your Twitter stream (since it would be duplicate content anyway), and use TweetBeep to track mentions of your name. No more Twitter. :-)
- Jesse Stay
If you use PeopleBrowsr you don't need to switch. Just open a stack with your friendfeed. You can make combined lists from both twitter and friendfeed in PeopleBrowsr
- Svartling
some good thoughts there jesse!! hmmm
- (jeff)isageek
svartling i have started playing around with PeopleBrowsr a bit. need to check it out some more.
- (jeff)isageek
There are just _too_ many tools now, seesmic, peoplebrowsr, tons of websites that do things atop twitter....
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
And I mean that in a negative sense.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan yeah there are a few tools out there :) plus with different services out there it can make for an interesting plan of attack to keep up with everyone.
- (jeff)isageek
wow this has really turned into a big discussion :)
- (jeff)isageek
I'm with Jeff on this one. And probably the biggest reason is the quality of the content and users on FF. I over followed a ton of people on Twitter, and it's kinda too much work do go in and unfollow a bunch of people. So, I'm finding myself more in FF. And, it's easier to find good users via the comments they leave and the rooms they belong to. (However, I will admit that I could do some of that in Twitter via searches. But I'd still have to do all that unfollowing)
- Bill Bittner
my only thing about peoplebrowsr is I am trying to get away from things like tweetdeck or whatever. and just have friendfeed as my base of social web operations.
- (jeff)isageek
Jesse, can you point TweetBeep directly to FF via the email feed or does it need to verify the address?
- CAJ, somewhere else
jesse back to your thought of killing my twitter stream on friendfeed...I feel like that should be up to people who follow me. if they dont want my twitter posts or want to get rid of the duplication then they can hide those entries. but I feel like I should supply all my streams here and let everyone do with it what they want.
- (jeff)isageek
i think with tweetbeep you can grab an rss feed cant you jesse?
- (jeff)isageek
i grabbed the rss feed from tweetbeep and basically since it just uses twitter search to get its data it never shows who the tweet was from without clicking it. so i couldnt pull that rss feed in here and see oh hey so and so just @ replied me without taking extra steps. now the email funtionality does show you the user you @ replied you.
- (jeff)isageek
interesting idea there about the email feed though alan but yeah i think when i signed up for tweetbeep i had to verify the email address
- (jeff)isageek
Well, the Twitter search rss gives you a direct link to the tweet, which contains the person's nick: http://twitter.com/persons...
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Jeff, I'm testing it out now. Stand by!
- CAJ, somewhere else
yeah but Ahsan it would be nice to just see it in your friendfeed stream or whatever and just know who it was from rather then having to click away from the service
- (jeff)isageek
Jeff, but if your Twitter stream is exactly the same as your FriendFeed stream is there really reason to keep it?
- Jesse Stay
point taken Jesse
- (jeff)isageek
Alan, you can add the RSS I think - haven't tried. I prefer e-mail because it ensures I don't miss anything.
- Jesse Stay
ah forget it I think I am just gonna move everything back to myspace :)
- (jeff)isageek
jesse and thinking about your idea of just pulling your twitter feed if someone really wanted to have my twitter feed for filtering purposes they could just create and imaginary me and pull the data that way.
- (jeff)isageek
Hmmm, so tweetbeep notification made it into FF okay by changing my email in tweetbeep to iphwin@friendfeed.com (http://friendfeed.com/iphwin...). However, it didn't show any information about who it came from. Well, unless because *I* sent it, it shows from me. lol, that make any sense?
- CAJ, somewhere else
ok i went ahead and pulled my twitter posts from my friendfeed profile.
- (jeff)isageek
PeopleBrowser can be overwhelming in the beginning, but when you get it, you will never use anything else. I'm both a Twitter and FriendFeed freak and this tool is perfect for both. Plus much more. You can even get blogsearch streams and other RSS Feeds in realtime!
- Svartling
Svartling that is pretty kool but I still think going that route means I have to give up time on the actual friendfeed site which is what I am striving to do with the changes I am making and bringing both twitter and friendfeed together the best I can here at FriendFeed.com
- (jeff)isageek
Ok. I understand but you can do that in PeopleBrowsr too ;) But I know what you mean. Good luck.
- Svartling
but I will keep playing around with PeopleBrowsr too though. I might find it to be a better fit after a few days :) I am all about trying new things and new ideas. that is what is great about this whole conversation...bouncing ideas off of each other...talking about our thoughts and ideas on this little subject, ect.
- (jeff)isageek
Yeah that's true. I just want to let you know that PeopleBrowsr exists as an Adobe AIR app too if you prefer that. I prefer the web version.
- Svartling
Jeff just got 4 stars in my book. :-)
- Jesse Stay
from email
haha well good to know Jesse :)
- (jeff)isageek
If it werent for friendfeed, my twitter account would still be rotting away.
- Ron Wening
My experiments with tweetbeep ended in a wash. There didn't seem to be any advantage to using that service (feeding into FF via email) and using a custom RSS feed from Twitter Search. So, I'll keep the RSS feed going to my Twitter Friends group and continue with my regularly scheduled program, already in progess.
- CAJ, somewhere else
just checking out www.flock.com
- Dominik Schneider
with some development and add ons this could be a great alternative to friendfeed (or friendfeed will be integrated into flock)
- Dominik Schneider
FWIW: We are adding additional FriendFeed functionality into PeopleBrowsr this week "Home" feed and "My Discussions" were added last night, and live-testing today. We expect to have even more functionality (Lists and Rooms) coming in the very near future. Please let us know what you think when you try it :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I recently made the switch too
- Johnny
I'm just not sure you can really make FriendFeed into a full featured twitter client. You don't see everything. I even bring in a feed of my @replies from search.twitter, but those are of limited use since I can't actually use them to communicate with people who aren't FriendFeed users. or am I just missing something?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good move - congratulations -
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Rob, if you check "Include entry description as a comment" on that custom RSS feed it'll show who it's from. You could then start a new post with a @reply to that person. Very kludgey, eh?
- CAJ, somewhere else
Never got really in love with Twitter, but i grow to like FriendFeed more and more each day.
- Ralph
Alan: yes I could go through a bunch of hoops to do it, just seems too much trouble
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, since we as users can manage a workaround, I'm hoping that the FriendFeed folks could figure something more streamlined and automatic.
- CAJ, somewhere else
While at one point I might have agreed with you Alan, I've since become a heavy believer in the multi-network "social-desktop" client, and prefer all my data to come in through a single window. To effectively FriendFeed requires more screens than I have. I find the FF web site basically insufficient for this reason. With access to my Lists and the Rooms I'm subscribed to, I'll get more...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yeah, good call - i switched to only ff awhile ago and ignored twitter but now the two tools are mostly seamless together
- mike "glemak" dunn
i love using friendfeed more, too!
- Egyirba
Nice move!
- Nicholas James
Most of my friends on Twitter are not on FF so I have them as Imaginary Friends. This is OK for reading their tweets. Also it gets round the recent @reply changes by Twitter. I can again see their @replies to other people I don't follow. BUT, I can't have FF conversations involving them because they are not on FF. Also I can't see who my twitter friends replies are directed to and then...
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- By_tor
try setting up an rss feed of your @name_twitter
- mike "glemak" dunn
Very interesting discussion over here about making FriendFeed your Twitter client. While I've thought about it in the past, there are some serious drawbacks. I'd much rather be able to import my full "with friends" RSS feed from Twitter and do some serious keyword filtering on it (have played around with using Thunderbird - Mozilla's Email client - for that purpose using the message...
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- Alex Schleber
I've done this for a few months, although sometimes I get sucked into a discussion (sometimes local folks, sometimes a customer, or potenial customer) back on Twitter. (But this starts with Twitter searches aggregated by FriendFeed.) Having a conversation is more important than choice of software, especially when the software costs nothing.
- Wade Dorrell
Mark not sure about the limitations thing. guess i have been lucky and everyone I follow pretty much is setup on friendfeed so i only had to create a handful of imaginary ones.
- (jeff)isageek
yeah protected accounts can cause an issue as well. as you know already :)
- (jeff)isageek
Yes Mark I agree, one thing FF could do to help people migrate from Twitter is a one-step process to turn all your Twitter followers who are not also on FF into Imaginary friends. A solution to the locked twitter accounts would also be useful although I don't have any of them. It also slightly annoys me that when you post on FF the copy sent to twitter has a FF link at the end. Anyway of disabling that?
- By_tor
i have to say, friendfeed is actually *losing* value to me, not gaining it. if i don't put in crazy energy here, pretty much nobody likes/comments my stuff, which pretty much makes using the site a waste of time. on a "ROI of my energy" perspective, my blog, Twitter, and even IM is seems like a better use of my time...
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- Sid Burgess
Jeremy, I'm confused... are you using friendfeed for the community and experience or are you using it to dive traffic to your stuff?
- Bastard Operator From FF
@Sean - all of it. my comment is that, if i dont put in a LOT of energy, i dont feel i gain in the community/experience...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy, why do you think that is? I haven't spent a lot of energy in FF and now I'm wondering if it's worth it
- Andre P. Siregar
Jeremy: I went and looked at your page and there just isn't much that is interesting lately from you. Why the entitlement attitude to our attention?
- Robert Scoble
I often forget that while I'm following a bunch of folks, not that many are following me. So when I don't get comments or attention, I just do a mental shrug and carry on. The value in FF to me is what I learn from others. While I wish more people would interact with me on topics I introduce, that's what my blogs are for, not what I use FF for.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
@Robert who are you to tell me what is "interesting"? oh, and you've "liked" two of my things recently.
- Jeremy Toeman
Plus, your items are rarely conversational. Rarely have your personality (that I miss, by the way), rarely have images, rarely are posted from here, and show little engagement with the community.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, don't let anyone suggest you're not getting attention because of the quality of your contribution. The design was broken when they made the upgrade and the user experience for all but the most committed users has suffered. You are not alone.
- Sprague D
Jeremy, just giving you feedback about what gets engagement. Your stuff lately isn't engaging.
- Robert Scoble
I love friend feed - I see everything popping up from all my social media and I can be on top of it instantly - there's nothing that I know of that works as well as this to aggregate everything real time.
- James Stewart
Jeremy, I haven't even looked at your stuff lately (sorry), but more because I've been busy than anything else. However, you seem to be insisting upon love from strangers. Have you invited real-life friends here? Some of the most active commenters and like'ers on my stuff are those friends of mine that I know in real life, who care about me, who care about what I think, what I'm doing,...
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- Adam Lasnik
Jeremy: put this feed on your screen and compare it to yours: http://friendfeed.com/search... You'll see that there's a HUGE difference between the items you are putting in here and yours.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: what you are noticing is that in the past two weeks many thousands of new people have come in here, and have brought their feeds as well. So the bar to getting attention has gone WAY UP. It's a lot harder to get attention. The feeds are all going faster. What I'm doing now is building new searches to find good content around topics. Also, I'm building private rooms where I'm inviting my friends into have a conversation about something specific. Those are things I can't do anywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, the quality of your offerings is fine -- when users complain about user experience it is often because of systemic design changes. Your note implies that FF was once more engaging for you (as it was for me) that changed with the new "real time" design that requires much greater commitment (posting, managing lists, etc.) in order to keep your stuff in front of people. It's not you, it's FriendFeed.
- Sprague D
Once again you make sense of it all, Robert.
- Chris Heath
I second that I can't believe I didnt get on this earlier - enjoying the banter :)
- James Stewart
Sprague: there are WAVES of new users coming here lately due to the easy integration from Twitter that was added a couple of weeks ago. I actually am seeing more engagement on my items. The searches here are letting me get a LOT more value out of friendfeed than before, too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're the definition of an outlier and actually proof of what I'm saying. Neither Jeremy nor I use the service the way you do and have seen our experience of it decline since the design change. As far as usage, I would love to see the reach numbers for FriendFeed going forward. I'm betting that a lot of those new people will churn because of the high barrier to engagement caused by the design.
- Sprague D
Sprague: Jeremy used to participate here a lot more and used to blog a lot more and used to post things that I cared about. Lately? I am finding him less and less interesting. I expected that, actually, he has a new baby. Watch how my usage here goes way down in September when Scobleizer 3.0 arrives.
- Robert Scoble
If you use Friend Feed for keeping you own personal network up dated and following its great I never really log into my twitter anymore I can hanlde everything from Friend Feed and My Cell Phone even from all the way over here in Australia... Its handy...
- Chris Henderson
You and Jeremy almost have a point, Sprague, but Twitter? Give me a break. It's noiser and noiser and all of my friends are saying they are getting less and less engagement there.
- Robert Scoble
How do you get people away from Facebook & on here though?
- Jason Hansen
Wow I see the FF fans are out in full force again. @Jeremy you are right to a point - Friendfeed is a lot more work since they flipped the switch on their opinion of what the real-time web is (which I wrote about here - http://bit.ly/3aDGf4 - and got equally smacked down as you are) but someone had a suggestion that I still have to play with - that being instead of concentrating on the...
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- Steven Hodson
Jeremy, you make a great point. I like FF but much of my network is on Twitter & using FF as an aggregator, it makes it hard to have conversations here when they all originate from Twitter. However, I do believe we're on the brink of change.
- Karen Swim
@Robert we almost have a point -- well that's almost a compliment! ;-) I expect that the FF boys (who are clearly brilliant programmers) will finesse the ui over time. UIs are tough. I agree Twitter is a rough place but... it's *simple*. That counts. They need to find the balance between features and ease of use.
- Sprague D
Sprague: I get more engagement on Facebook than I do on Twitter (and that's with a FAR smaller audience because Facebook limits me to 5,000 friends) and Facebook is MUCH more complicated than Twitter. I'm really getting tired of the hype of Twitter being better because it's simpler. Facebook is still growing a Twitter every six weeks. 225 million vs. 30 million for the "simpler" service.
- Robert Scoble
Robert no disrespect because you know I value what you do, but we really need to hear from people who may not have as high a profile in order to get a better sense of how everyday users are experiencing the changes to FF. Do you know how Paul and Bret are assessing that (unique users, returning users, time on site, etc.)? For example, I still rely on FF as an aggregator, but spend much less time on site.
- Sprague D
Sprague: yes, they are using focus groups (which is why they made several of the changes here) and they are watching time on site and amount of likes per person and comments per person and also are active here in many places. But they haven't shared much more about that. The thing that drags people back here is conversations on specific topics. Some of those can get hundreds or thousands of comments.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: There are alot of users who don't have as high profile as Robert and still find the service much more better then Twitter which is just a broadcasting service - which is getting filled with a lot of marketers/spammers which unlike Twitter are removed from here quickly. I spend more time over here then over on Twitter because I can engage with people easier via a better DM...
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- Nicholas James
Sprague, for example, Here's a list of all items that have more than 100 comments here: http://friendfeed.com/search... that list is getting more items faster now than it was three months ago.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: here's a list of all items that have gotten 100 likes or more, too: http://friendfeed.com/search... This list too is growing a lot faster today than it was three months ago. That demonstrates that a lot more people are using the service, but that it's harder to get attention.
- Robert Scoble
Just looking at the features I would easily say Friendfeed is the better place to spend my time but I find myself over at twitter more than any other place.
- Hunter
I agree with Scoble on the entitlement issue.. nothing too interesting on the page. I think friendfeeds search and real-time capabilities surpass any other social media site. Twitter has far too much noise.
- Johnny
Oh Robert, Robert, Robert yet again you are holding up how you use these social media tools and your opinions of them as being gospel. With the utmost respect - Piss Off. You are unique when it comes to social media service use. I admire all to hell your ability to process what you do during the day *but* not everyone using social media is using it for the same reasons your do or in the...
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- Steven Hodson
Hunter: that's fair. I have been on Twitter 910+ days and I spend a lot of time over there too. One thing I've noticed is that my behavior IS early adopter and IS often two years ahead of the market. I remember having these arguments with my blog's readers. They wanted to stay on the blog comments, not come over to Twitter. Now most of them have joined Twitter and are resisting coming to the new thing. I'm seeing more and more move over though.
- Robert Scoble
Hodson: what ARE you talking about? This whole feed started with a guy who was upset with a service because he is not getting the attention he wants... Are you high?
- Johnny
@Johnny you might as well be stepping into the middle of a conversation. This is something that Robert and I have been going around on for a few days now. And no I'm not high (biting tongue against snappy retort)
- Steven Hodson
@Johnny oh and by the way how was Joe's originating comment anything about not getting attention ... it was in fact just a statement about finding less value in FF because of time being required to get any value out of it.
- Steven Hodson
Johnny: Hodson is one of those people who would rather denigrate someone who is ahead of him in understanding the usage of these tools. I have had the exact same reactions from people who used to tell me that the world didn't need Mouse and Windows. True story. Then later when IM came out people told me no one would EVER have hundreds of people on their IM lists, or use it for business. Today most of my friends have that many.
- Robert Scoble
Nicholas, agree totally that FF has it all over Twitter in features. Robert, perhaps much of the issue is just caused by increased traffic but I'm not sure. I need to cut out. This has been good.
- Sprague D
Johnny: I remember when I had 1,000 friends on Twitter and my friends were giving me shit for having so many and saying that I couldn't understand the real world. Same argument as Hodson is giving me. Hodson is wrong. He'll always be wrong. He can't stand it because people DO follow us into the deep end of the pool, eventually, because, well, it's more fun there.
- Robert Scoble
thanks Robert. I wasn't denigrating you. But if you want to think so then fine.
- Steven Hodson
How to interest Robert Scoble: talk about him, or his ideas, or skewer a sacred cow of his. Then it will turn up in his vanity search. (Oh, let me get "Scobleizer" in there so it'll pique his interest.
- TxVoodoo
Steven: you are saying I'm unique. Actually, history has proven I am not. I'm just early. That's all. Not unique. A year from now I wish people would go back and understand this, but they never do. I've been through this before. Which is why when you tell me to piss off you are wrong and a jerk.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: go to http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- how many items there follow your advice? Not many. You are wrong and a jerk. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I meant that with all the best humor intended I'm sorry you didn't see it as such
- Steven Hodson
Robert: Glad to know we are on the same page. I have had the same problems trying to explain the usage of certain technology/tools. And you're right about people following us... Its almost frustrating to think about how many people told me time and time again how Twitter will fail and how its not for them.. where are we a few years later? They're all using it. Same with ff. :)
- Johnny
Steven: I've heard that argument before. Many times. The person saying it has ALWAYS been proven wrong. Which is why I'm telling you you're wrong. Humor is fine. Where's the smilie? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: exactly. I could wallpaper my bathroom with all the comments that I got in the early days of Twitter that said "Twitter is lame." All from guys like Hodson.
- Robert Scoble
Oops, hit enter too quickly. Seriously, though, ones objectives shouldn't be to engage only 1 reader, even one as vaunted as Scoble. It should be to first express something you feel strongly about, and hopefully engage others who are interested in what you think. But I wouldn't consider Robert's critique as near to valid, because it's a classic example of "YMMV". Different strokes, etc,...
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- TxVoodoo
shit things are heating up in here! dam you can type fast Scoble!! :-) SMILE haha
- James Stewart
James: the best class I took in college was typing. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, you aren't alone in wishing that people would contribute to the conversations you try to start.
- MiniMage - HLtW
TxVoodoo: ad hominems? Hahahahahahah. Boy, you are funny. You're the one who made a false statement.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - excuse me? But if you check you will find I have been using Twitter for almost as long as you have so don't hang the lame label on me (for that). Just as I've been using Friendfeed for as long if not longer than you.
- Steven Hodson
MiniMage: life doesn't guarantee you a listener.
- Robert Scoble
Is there really a right or wrong answer here though?
- Jason Hansen
Same. That's why I couldn't help but call the guy out. Lame.
- Johnny
@Robert re: missing smiley - oppss it slid by me :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
- Steven Hodson
I reckon dude - I've been cruzing though my emails and facebook and friendfeed all arvo and watching this convo roll out has been really interesting. loved that vid of you talking about building43 and friendfeed on your fan page - just can't believe I havn't been tracking you earlier - thanks for the insights all the way to NZ :)
- James Stewart
Well, um, Jeremy, looks like you got your wish. Lots of replies here! :D
- Adam Lasnik
Robert-how about this one? http://friendfeed.com/scobles... - Not all of us feel the need to Big Brother the world about our mentions. And I'm not a jerk because I disagree with you. I've felt this for a while, feels good to speek my mind. Been around as long as you, just haven't felt world revolved around me.
- TxVoodoo
Steven: well, I am telling you that there's some lessons you guys aren't getting and you're trying to denigrate those lessons by saying I'm "unique." Sorry, the teacher is ALWAYS unique. I guarantee you that you'll be using the techniques I'm learning in friendfeed a few months from now and you'll be saying that I am right.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: what about my vanity feed? You trying to tell me you don't look to see what people are saying about you? Liar.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert if that is the case at least I'll be man enough to admit in print .. which I have done before when I have been proven wrong
- Steven Hodson
Adam: Shame they're not referring to the original topic though ;)
- Nicholas James
Oh, Robert - an opinion can't be a false statement. Don't strawman me! And how can you know if I'm lying or not? Don't project. That's libel, sir.
- TxVoodoo
Adam: this is the first engaging thing Jeremy has done since his baby was born. I miss his engaging self.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: oh give me a break. That got you one big step closer to a block since you're here just to be a troll, not for a conversation.
- Robert Scoble
one thing that does seem kind of limiting is the misinterpretation of text still on here - but it's not like you can do video. Another thing is that the amount of attention this has brought to Jeremy is huge - I wouldn't have come across him except that I saw Scoble talk at the start of this thread and wanted to see what he was on about - haha calling people a jerk is the best insult.
- James Stewart
Seriously, this is about social media, which presumes social etiquette, and ad hominems are just cheap.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo block warning #2. Don't tell me what's social etiquette. You follow your own rules, I'll follow mine.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, your original point is quite valid. To me, FF is the Usenet of the 00s - most use it to flamewar and self-promote. I rarely get value on it. I see an awful lot of bloviating & frankly, circles of backrubbing.
- TxVoodoo
Scoble, lemme get this thru your head: 1) this isn't YOUR ff. 2) I don't CARE. You have little to no impact on my existence. 3) If it makes you feel important, do it. I don't begrudge others their entertainment.
- TxVoodoo
RScoble: If I listen to others, it'd be nice for them to listen back.
- MiniMage - HLtW
See this is the Key. People who are thinking about ROI aren't in love with what they are doing. No offense. I and about 99% of the population fall into, sadly the same category. The people like Scobleizer, who are loving what they do, are on the edge of excitement all the time. Everyone should find out what it is that makes them tick, and follow that for a career. Not preaching. More writing this for myself. You know how they say, we write in order to learn.
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, yes. I find much of what goes on here to be naval gazing and beating of dead horses. Good lord, stop *talking* about social media, go and BE social with it.
- TxVoodoo
Jeremy: you should have had a disclaimer. Your job is to build very close relationships with influencers. People like Ryan Block who used to run Engadget etc. And me, because I have a large audience. You want to have a place where you can study JUST THOSE PEOPLE. You don't care about people like TxVoodoo who has only a few readers and who doesn't even disclose his real name. So, to you, those people add noise and friction to studying the influencers you need to get your products in front of.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, HER real name. And it's out there, if you look. And I don't measure my value or validate my existance by number of readers.
- TxVoodoo
For heaven's sake, my icon is of my face.
- TxVoodoo
Jeremy: you'd rather have a dinner with Gary Shapiro, who runs CES, than talk with "normal people" like TxVoodoo. So, when you see a comment stream like this one it takes too much work. See, you can interact with people like Gary over IM, or on Twitter, where he only has a few followers, and you can lock everyone else out, but here people like TxVoodoo leak into the conversation which...
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- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo Yes, I heartily agree, but for some people, like Scobleizer, Gillmor, Leo, that is their passion and job, and it has great value to the rest of us to report on weigh in on that sector of technology. But I hear what you are saying, and I think Scoble is interested in the same thing, how to apply this very technology to every kind of career and make it more fun and productive
- Stephen Pickering
OH MY Robert, you're really making yourself look dreadful. The "normal people" don't count? Who buys your services? Who hires you? Who reads your works? Way to alienate! It might not occur to you that some of us use these services for other things that aren't less valuable.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: I know Jeremy. Do you? He does marketing and influencer management and PR and that kind of thing to launch new companies.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen yes - but as I say above, it doesn't pay to alienate ppl w/ less followers/readers/etc. One never knows where a jewel will come from, or a job. Y'all don't know who I am, or who I represent, or what my buying power is, right?
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: You're only helping Robert prove his point by spamming this conversation.
- Johnny
Robert, do you know me? Do you know what I might do? Do you know what I might buy? Why auto kneejerk to slit your own (professional) throat, possibly inadvertantly? Social media should have value-but not only in having all the S.M. folks engage one another.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: sorry, but people like Jeremy can't engage with everyone. He is one of the world's best at figuring out who is important. Watch him work a show on behalf of a vendor. I watched him at CES. He is very adept at figuring out who the buyers are, who the press is, who has an audience, who is just there to waste his time, etc.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo Don't beat up on Scobleizer, he's on yours and my side, he's saying we the people who are on the outside of the tech industry, that our voice is important too
- Stephen Pickering
TxVoodoo: you aren't a good listener.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Robert 100% on noise to value ratio with Twitter and now with FF. With your help we are experiencing it right now.
- Johnny
People like Jeremy can't or won't engage with everyone?
- MiniMage - HLtW
TxVoodoo: I was talking about Jeremy, not you. To Jeremy you are just another shlub.
- Robert Scoble
Just another shlub, reporting for duty.
- Ken Sheppardson
MiniMage: Jeremy said exactly that above. That he isn't willing to put in the hard work participating because he gets more ROI somewhere else. I've seen how Jeremy works. He works dinners. Private emails. Phone calls. And gets to know INFLUENCERS intimately. He has won CES's best of show several times on behalf of his clients. Hint: he doesn't see a way to get that done here. He should have disclosed that.
- Robert Scoble
*sigh* See, Robert. You are missing soooo many points here. These discussions could have value - like the one I'm having w/ Stephen. Stephen's reading my words and their import, not just kneejerking. But influencing happens on MANY levels, in many fora.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: But isn't Robert saying Jeremy doesn't want to bother with the influencing on your level, when he can benefit greater from his normal levels?
- MiniMage - HLtW
Johnny: this is what happens with EVERY onlne community. The noise level goes up as newbies come in. I've seen it happen over and over and over and over. What's fun is that in friendfeed we can start secret societies. I'm shocked that Jeremy hasn't discovered that yet. Because that WOULD let him get high value out of friendfeed, similar to his IM client or his Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
MiniMage: that's exactly what I was saying.
- Robert Scoble
But TxVoodoo while Scobleizer is one of the "important" people as Kawasaki calls them, he is the only one who engages us like this right now. He really does care about the interconnection of "regular" businesses and organizations with this new Social Media World.
- Stephen Pickering
To me, FF isn't organic. Discovery isn't organic on it, it's not a great way to find new info and share it. I don't want nor care to influence Robert. On the other hand, I will say I'm more interested in reading Stephen, now. Maybe not his FF, but other bits.
- TxVoodoo
Everyone is talking to fast, you don't realize you are having 2 conversations that aren't related anymore (I don't think anyone is really listening at the moment), at least in IMHO. One is about "high-level" users and the value of FF and the other is about the "normal" users. They are different and can't easily be broken down into one answer (with apologies to those who think they can)....
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- Brad_King
TxVoodoo: I wrote a book called Naked Conversations that SAID EXACTLY THAT. It's clear you haven't done your homework about me, just like I haven't done mine about you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what do you mean by "secret societies"?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
@Brad_King .. thank you for making the distinction
- Steven Hodson
LPH: here in friendfeed you can build rooms that no one can see into except if you are invited. A secret society.
- Robert Scoble
Brad, true enough. I like working and thinking outside the box - and that often requires bringint in 'normal' folks, integrating their input. I think a lot of recent tech could be made more valuable by integrating their input at the beginning-too much is now grown from minds of 'important' folks while forgetting what normal ppl need to WORK.
- TxVoodoo
Robert: Hopefully you'll send me a message and let me in on some of these secret societies so I can focus more on discussion and less on TxVoodoo!
- Johnny
@Stephen that is the thing I have *always* liked about Robert and even though he thinks I'm a smuck I still hold him and what he does in high regard. We need more like him.
- Steven Hodson
btw, as a disinterested third party reading - there are lots of good points here. I hope that people go back and re-read post flame war (used in the 70s sense of the word = good, not the bad sense). (disclosure: Scoble helped me figure FF out :)
- Brad_King
Johnny: well, there's more than one way to get rid of TxVoodoo. I almost blocked her, but kept her here to see just what she'd say. What can I say, it's a slow news night and I needed some entertainment. :-) My son has control of the TV. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: there's always the block feature ;)
- Nicholas James
Rober, Yah, I didn't read your book. Strange that I say what you wrote, but you don't use it? (ok, low blow). I just very much dislike this caste system you seem to perpetrate. I've been important in my field from time to time, and I feel it makes me too insular.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: I'm not talking about you Damn It. You are soooo narcissistic.
- Robert Scoble
Please forward me invites to the high-value secret society rooms. kthxbye
- Ken Sheppardson
TxVoodoo: I'm talking about Jeremy. THAT IS HIS ATTITUDE!!!!
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King - totally agree, it's been interesting to watch this develop over the past couple of hours and something I think I'll use an example for how cool FF is. Love IT
- James Stewart
Robert, thank you for the best laugh of the evening
- TxVoodoo
Stephen has the right of it. How many of the big players would look at a nobody's blog, follow her on Twitter or respond in email? http://scobleizer.com/2006...
- MiniMage - HLtW
TxVoodoo: you think everything is about you, don't you? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
May I quote Carly Simon to you?
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: that song is in my head thanks to you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You two need to learn to use emoticons, me thinks. There ya go, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's definitely hard to hate on Robert because he'll actually respond :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Ha, I've always thought of the block feature as the easy way out. I'm going to call it a night. Robert: send me a FF or Twitter DM in the near future and we can discuss more tech, less Voodoo.
- Johnny
Johnny: a private room is even better than a block. That way the person you are trying to remove from the discussion doesn't know it happened.
- Robert Scoble
I've a bit of snark in me, no question. HOWEVER. To the subject - this is a great chance to engage w/ as fandoms call them, the Big Names, so to speak - and maybe puncture their insular bubbles?
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: let me know how it goes trying to get @oprah to engage.
- Robert Scoble
FWIW, I don't think FF is best or only way to do it. I believe we should use the tools that work for us, not fit our work to the tools.
- TxVoodoo
or Leo Laporte?
- MiniMage - HLtW
TxVoodoo: I dare you to try to have this kind of conversation on your blog or over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - false comparison - she isn't active on Twitter, she's not a 'real' user. And Robert? I've had convos like this many times on my blog & on twitter.
- TxVoodoo
Mini: Leo actually is pretty engaged.
- Robert Scoble
He's never said a thing to me
- MiniMage - HLtW
Again-it's NOT the tool-it's what you do w/ it.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: now I know why you don't have many followers on Twitter. (Low blow, but true)
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: Show me where you have had a similiar conversation on Twitter
- Nicholas James
TxVoodoo: if you had a conversation like this over on Twitter (I have) you would have had hundreds of people complaining.
- Robert Scoble
And what you do w/ it is influenced by how natural it feels to you. Example: i don't like the "hit enter it posts" thing here.
- TxVoodoo
I see what u mean
- orionstarr
Nicholas: she would, but Twitter search isn't working right now.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: Why don't you let FF know your opinions in the Feedback room then ;)
- Nicholas James
Robert-you're engaging the wrong ppl on twitter-I do political talk there, often, and it works. I haven't had anyone complain, perhaps because I've followed/am followed by like-minded people
- TxVoodoo
I don't think it ever fails. If someone posts that no one is paying attention to what she/he is saying, a conversation explodes. Maybe I should try it ;)
- MiniMage - HLtW
TxVoodoo: You mean close-minded people.
- Jason Hansen
Nicolas because I haven't really ever cared enough?
- TxVoodoo
But TxVoodoo what I gather about Robert from following him is that he is the opposite of the caste system. He's just the opposite of all those characteristics you hate (and for good reason many times) that's one reason he's very popular
- Stephen Pickering
btw, screw you guys.... because of this conversations I didn't edit my book chapter for the last hour (your fault and your fault and your fault...you get the idea) ;) <-- joke emoticon
- Brad_King
@MiniMage - only if robert gets involved so make sure to be negative :) LOL
- Steven Hodson
Let me ask fathers, though, if Hooters' wings stop tasting so good when they have daughters, and no one's in the woods to hear my tree fall.
- MiniMage - HLtW
Stephen: I don't *hate*, I bemoan. I am sorry that he choses to keep his circle like that.
- TxVoodoo
Also, I think I *will* go to feedback-darned page keeps scrolling the typing box out of view. That's not organic, dammit!
- TxVoodoo
Brad_King what kind of Book are you writing?
- Stephen Pickering
Am off for evening, adios.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: you should have clicked on the time stamp.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: that would have opened up a window with the comment box on the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
Robert++, that's what I did
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@Stephen: The kind that isn't being edited right now :) I have 2 books with Carnegie Mellon (virtual worlds and social media+storytelling) and editing a book of essays for them on digital creation. NONE of them have been touched. Bastards.
- Brad_King
Robert: Thanks for that tip... haha. I always click on Share, etc...
- Jason Hansen
I right-clicked and opened in a new window, because I'm cool like that. No, I'm not serious.
- MiniMage - HLtW
Rahsheen: see, that's where Hodson goes wrong. Sometimes it takes an advanced user of a service to figure out all the productivity tips and teach them to other people.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, stupid question, what is clicking on the time stamp? I keep having to go to the top of the page too
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: underneath the title at the top of this node is a time stamp. When this item was originally posted. Click on it.
- Robert Scoble
That's where I've been watching the action!
- Christopher Harley
Stephen: now, if you click on it again you'll get a second type of window to open.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert .. huh .. what have I got to do with productivity tips?
- Steven Hodson
Christopher: I knew there was a reason I was watching you.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sort of curious when I see people use the acronym ROI when it comes to "Social Media" tool, how exactly they define "return". For me return is learning stuff, not building traffic and followers. I can see how FriendFeed might be a poor platform on which to build an audience, because yes... you have to actually participate rather than just throw breadcrumbs over the wall now and then.
- Ken Sheppardson
So Jeremy Stormbringer starts this and wanders off?
- MiniMage - HLtW
Steven: because you don't like it when I tell people how to use friendfeed to get the most out of it.
- Robert Scoble
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, I learned something! Thanks Robert!
- Stephen Pickering
@Robert, btw, I sent you a DM here earlier about th Carnegie book. I know you have a billion of them, but I'd like to talk with you if you have the time. No rush.
- Brad_King
Me too, thanks !
- Barbara
It's because I've been here for a year and even tried to leave for a month and only made it 26 days!
- Christopher Harley
Brad: cool, I'll try to get to my DM's. Got a bunch of them.
- Robert Scoble
26 days? That's IMPRESSIVE! uh, but why the heck did you do it?
- MiniMage - HLtW
@Robert: yeah, I know. It's for the Entertainment Technology Center (ETC) Press. Do you know Drew Davidson?
- Brad_King
It's a tough habit to try and break.
- Christopher Harley
@Robert .. you and I really need to talk :) tip away my man .. make it as useful as hell .. the more people who use the better ... just because I raise questions about how it is used and why doesn't make me someone who doesn't like the serive. If that was that case I wouldn't keep coming back day fter day
- Steven Hodson
MiniMage: These threads often turn into that sort of party where the host wants to go to bed but a bunch of the guests just want to hang out and watch the big screen TV all night.
- Ken Sheppardson
Brad_King wow, you are right in the middle of it. And I thought Scoble and Brogan were the Social Media Kings!
- Stephen Pickering
Chris: You kept away from FriendFeed for 26 days. Wow.
- Nicholas James
Ken: when Jeremy says "ROI" that means that his job is to influence influential people like journalists and bloggers with big audiences. He's finding that more and more those people are disappearing into a sea of other people. It pisses him off.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: the dude abides. Scoble knows a lot more about much of this than I ever will.
- Brad_King
Steven: anytime! Part of it is I assume you're like Arrington and just like to argue to get an audience going. That's cool. It's fun for me too.
- Robert Scoble
Good point...but should Jeremy be going to bed just yet? It's only midnight on the East Coast, and don't the movers and the shakers work 3 hours later?
- MiniMage - HLtW
I still haven't seen that movie, Brad.
- MiniMage - HLtW
I did. Twitter, GReader, Facebook, and my own blogs got all my attention but in the end, this is where new ideas are spread out over the greatest number of users.
- Christopher Harley
MiniMage: Jeremy has a new baby. And if his wife let him away from those duties he's probably out having dinner with someone who has more influence than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Robert please don't make that comparison please. I like to raise questions and make conversations happen. If I do that by being the devil's advocate what is wrong there?
- Steven Hodson
Brad_King Yes, I was joking a bit, I've been an enthusiasic Scoble follower for quite a while. But those are some impressive titles you are working on!
- Stephen Pickering
Steven: I like your critiques. I usually learn something about myself and usually learn that I'm not communicating clearly or I'm too far ahead of the pack and the pack is getting pissed off.
- Robert Scoble
New babies. Ah, yes. Those may or may not have their schedules down just yet.
- MiniMage - HLtW
And if you notice, I no longer import anything into FF. Why bother with the aggregation. I know where everything is and if you'd like to find all my stuff; check my Google profile.
- Christopher Harley
On the other hand, when the pack gets pissed off for being left behind it usually is a problem with the pack, not with me. I've been through this before many times.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: I've had some luck being around this stuff for awhile. I just prefer a different profile level :) I get to hear more.
- Brad_King
Christopher: why did you come to that conclusion?
- Robert Scoble
@Robert then I have succeeded .. thank you .. but equally so you keep me honest and on my toes .. plus I do learn a lot from you
- Steven Hodson
FF has scaled to size large enough that I can just search for everything. I'm here to laugh and learn.
- Christopher Harley
Christopher: that seems to be a mighty lame conclusion to come to. Especially since we can hide specific stuff from specific services.
- Robert Scoble
Christopher: yeah, but what if we want to see what kind of music you're listening to, or your videos, or your Tweets, or your blogs? I am doing lots of searches and that's the kind of stuff I want to see from you here.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, I used to import everything but for me, and that's the key, for me it works differently now.
- Christopher Harley
There is always something be learned and nothing to lose. I always try to enjoy my time spent here.
- ashish
Christopher: interesting, because what you import has nothing to do with you. It has to do with what WE see of you.
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King Oh sure I understand. Everyone must go with the grain of their personality. Or else they won't be as happy and productive, and it sounds like you are very productive!
- Stephen Pickering
I share all those things.
- Christopher Harley
Christopher: oh, then I'm missuderstanding. What aren't you bringing in here anymore?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Whenever I want to post something that I listen to or watched, I search FF first and find someone else has already posted it, so I just like/comment, rather than duplicate (most times). It's a rare joy to find that someone else hasn't beaten me to the punch.
- MiniMage - HLtW
Oh Jeremy, what have you done? Tsk. Tsk.
- Louis Gray
It aint hurting him any, Louis!
- MiniMage - HLtW
@Louis .. okay what took you so long?? :)
- Steven Hodson
Louis: he did an advanced trolling technique that has been used here several times lately to get engagement. Unfortunately I think it'll only work about three more times before people just ignore anyone who complains they aren't getting enough comments.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: I spent a few years in the Robert-lite shoes when I was at Wired News. Took away from my time building things. Plus, Robert does it *much* better than most.
- Brad_King
The need to constantly display everything lost its importance. Maybe I'm selfish but I can take away all that I want and share only what is germane to sharing right at that moment. The bookmarklet remains HOT.
- Christopher Harley
Brad: I am building things. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I work in Permits, and one of the clerks has a great saying about the way some people are. She said, "I can explain things to people, but I can't understand it for them."
- Gary Etie
Brad_King well it sounds like you are doing very important work
- Stephen Pickering
What is a "troll"? Am I a Scoble troll?
- Stephen Pickering
@Robert: shush. I know you are. What you did is different than what we did. I didn't mean that in a negative way. @Stephen: important? hahaha. not at all. Curing cancer is important. I play with media.
- Brad_King
Gary: good quote. Stephen: there's this thing called Google that I would love to introduce you to. :-) To everyone else, now I'm outta here cause I'm done with dinner and this was fun, but there's gotta be something else happening on friendfeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's right, there always is!
- Christopher Harley
Brad_King well media is important, especially now! But I agree, there are different levels of "importance"
- Stephen Pickering
wow... quite a bit happened over dinner it seems... if there were only THREADED comments, it would be so much easier for me to re-engage with anyone who said anything here. I'll have to do my best individually....
- Jeremy Toeman
/buckles seatbelt .. and the ride continues :) but I do agree about the threaded comments
- Steven Hodson
Steven, sorry for the delay. The family (myself included) was at a real-lief wedding in Santa Cruz.
- Louis Gray
@Robert funny, i both agreed and disagreed with your comments throughout, especially the ones where you talked on my behalf. re "trolling": meh, if that's your feel, whatever - I honestly didn't expect to see a conversation like this one emerge. re "ROI": in this case i really meant engagement with *anyone*, not just influencers... re "interestingness of my content": i think you cross...
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- Jeremy Toeman
hope you had a good time Louis :)
- Steven Hodson
Jeremy, my twins can take more time than your baby. Let's talk. I can teach you.
- Louis Gray
@Louis - i also have a 2 year old and run 2 companies...
- Jeremy Toeman
and now i'm off to clean radishes from my garden (uninteresting, i know), then go watch a movie with the wife. real-time web, please have a good night, i look forward to seeing you again soon. oh, and i still stand by my original statement. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: when you say stuff like this you gotta know that those of us who still are on the service will take it personally and spend a lot of time engaging on your item whether out of spite, fear, guilt, or just plain old "we feel like you just threw a pie in our face" reaction and we want to throw it back. That's why what you did was trolling. You should have known the reaction you'd...
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- Robert Scoble
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread because frankly, I'm pretty new to FF and was enjoying the discussion. But Scoble is right on with his last comment. Jeremy, the fact that you posted this on FF and not on Twitter or your blog, at least to me, shows you to be a tiny bit disingenuous. It's like showing up to someone's party and and instead of politely excusing yourself and leaving quietly, you take the stage and announce that this party sucks. You're bound to get a reaction.
- James Poling
Was it just me, or did Jeremy not actually address anyone but Robert and Louis? Then again, perhaps the salient points came from them? Still, I find it interesting that someone who runs two companies and rubs shoulders with tech elite has radishes in his garden and cleans them, himself. It's not riveting, but something I can't overlook.
- MiniMage - HLtW
@MiniMage .. it's not just you :)
- Steven Hodson
MiniMage: Yeah, so much for all those other poor slobs and their ROI who came to comment on Jeremy's point.
- James Poling
Jason, don't mean to sound flippant, but the "hide" option is your friend. I've also found friend-grouping to drastically reduce the noise in my friendfeed :)
- Adam Lasnik
I guess I missed all the ego stroking. I thought some egos were getting punched up there, myself.
- MiniMage - HLtW
@Minimage, Steven, James, etc - nobody else really addressed me directly in their comments (with something that needed dispute in one way or another - I didnt realy think I needed to tell someone who agreed with me that i agreed with them for agreeing with me). most of the rest of the comments circled around Robert's arguments, not mine... so i apologize to anyone who said something to me that was waiting on a response, but it just seemed like the conversation had moved along by then.
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy :) any points can easily get lost in FF comments which is why I agreed with you about the need for threaded comments
- Steven Hodson
@James interesting that you'd take it that way. a little history for you: I was *very* active on FF when it first debuted, and remained so for months. as i (1) became utterly deluged with work, (2) spent a month in the hospital, and (3) the multiple-times-aforementioned babies, my ability to participate as an active member here went way down, roughly to NIL. so now i get no love in return - understandable. i'm not trying to spoil *your* party, I'm observing how there just isn't much of one for me...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: Do you have some sort of target number of Likes or comments per hour you invest in FF that you'd consider an acceptable ROI?
- Ken Sheppardson
If I post accidently on Thomas hawk account, it's a best of day, on my account, not so much.
- Mrsth
@Jeremy: I was being slightly tounge-in-cheek, but I see your point. I have a one-year-old at home and a job that keeps me virtually locked down from about mid-February to mid-April. Because of both of those things there have been times this past year when much, if not all of my networking, blogging and microblogging completely falls off as well. You are right obviously that any...
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- James Poling
@Ken how about 7? just kidding. no, i dont have quite so strict the definition of "ROI" here that I think XX hours of liking, sharing, and commenting should return YY results. but, per James' last point, it's a belief/feeling that to make YY>0 will take a LOT of hours.
- Jeremy Toeman
@ Jeremy, @Scobleizer That's why Robert is so good at what he does. Even when he does have those periods of away time (as he will in a few months) when he comes back he will throw himself head first into the deep end and quickly get back with the pack. That's his job so he is afforded that luxury. People like us on the other hand, while our jobs may be peripheral to what Robert does,...
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- James Poling
@James i think i'm going to call that response "bulls-eye" (the one with the "tongue-in-cheek" comment, which was the one i was responding to when the other one showed up mid-typing... yup, i sure would like threads please).
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy, awesome. Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya. :) (oh and yes, threads please!) I may start adding that as default ending all of my comments, please add threads.
- James Poling
Jeremy, not to beat a very dead horse, but, again, there's nothing wrong with the quality of your contributions. There are people here who get huge response from announcing what they had for dinner. I think the "real-time" design changes and recent uptick in user numbers have forced the most-active users to retreat to lists in order to manage the flood of input. If you're a more casual...
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- Sprague D
It probably helps to have a gazillion followers, but I think Robert's point about being willing to go where the conversation is happening is the key to getting a return on your FF investment. Crowds will often gather around certain topics, influencers or funny cat pictures. Rather than trying to win over the people already following you, focus on comment threads where you can add to the conversation instead.
- Davis Freeberg
@sprague - totally agreed with you on this, sorry for not ack'ing earlier
- Jeremy Toeman
@davis - i'm really not trying to "win" anything...
- Jeremy Toeman
This far I find FF to be more of a consumption destination than a publishing platform. Interesting thoughts from interesting people but few people I know personally. That's how twitter felt to me 2 yrs ago, difference being FF has actual threads of conversation vs Twitter as a collection of brain farts
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Jeremy, after reading thru the 17+ hours of conversation in this thread that started as I walked out the door last night (i kept tabs on it a bit thru the night) i'm still wondering what 'value' means to you. Was Scoblizer correct in stating that the value to you is where it helps you influence people with large audiences (or however he was stating it)? To me 'value' is very subjective. That seems to be what everyone's caught up on here.
- Chris Heath
He who posts and likes shall be rewarded in kind.
- Russ Jackson
true, and yet I value the social linking so much.
- susan mernit
Russ, that simply isn't true. Several of us have been saying that we like/comment a lot and just don't get the responses back. Furthermore, pretty much like what Sprague said, there are people who can post "eekeek ackack" and get 40 likes and 50 comments, whereas if someone else posted the secret to being a success in life, it would never be noticed. Am I whining about it? I hope not, I just don't want everyone claiming that all FFers will get back what he/she puts in.
- MiniMage - HLtW
There does seem to be a pretty steep climb into the secret FF kabal, and then once you are there you can maintain your status pretty easily, but if you fall through the minimum level of activity for any reason (such as real life, etc) you will have to re-climb the wall. Not perhaps a bad thing, but that at least is my impression. If work/life takes me away from FF it takes me a while to get noticed again after I get back. I think this might be a result of the nature of the new real-time paradigm.
- matthew john ernisse
This having to be active lots in order to be noticed I do not understand. If I see something that interests me, it doesn't matter to me if the poster had been gone for a week. And as a counterpoint, some threads become big, simply because that person had been missing for a while, and people were excited so see something from them again. Is there some sort of algorithm for this?
- MiniMage - HLtW
Maybe you should try to say something interesting.
- Will Higgins™
Yes, that's what people keep saying. Yet people say things that are more interesting than what others who get noticed say (not all the time, granted). What makes someone else's "guess what movie I'm watching" picture more interesting than the ones that don't get noticed? I believe the answer is "nothing." Why should one person's shared YouTube video get no likes or comments, when someone else can post the same thing with no response? It's more complex than the cop-out, "Say something interesting" answer.
- MiniMage - HLtW
If it was that simple, this conversation wouldn't exist or last so long.
- MiniMage - HLtW
@Chris - no, Robert's assumption of what I feel valuable was incorrect. While he is right in that a place where I could specifically remain connected with people in the CE industry *would* be valuable to me professionally, that actually was not part of my lament about FF. his assertion that I don't care about connecting with random folks of all walks of the Internet is way off in this case
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy it must be since you follow me :) :)
- Steven Hodson
Bump... Looks like this one turned into a flame war to me..
- aerobroken
Jeremy, thanks for clearing that up.
- Chris Heath
MiniMage: What you're describing/lamenting something that happens on just about any social sharing network with 'voting'. The first time I noticed this 'unfairness' was on digg.com when it started to get big in 2006. You will see the same type of complaints on digg: someone who's not as 'popular' submitted a story first, but another 'power user' submitted it after and it was promoted to the front page because of the power users's greater visibility... it's a shame and it's not fair - but that's life i guess
- Chris Heath
I've edited the ^above^ post a couple times (if you're watching in real-time)
- Chris Heath
Also, speaking of the problems with dupe submissions to digg: from what I understand about the future plans (and from the history of this issue) there will be (and have been) technological steps taken to get the dupe situation under control.
- Chris Heath
McDonalds in Chicago is crazy. Leather couch seating. Plasmas all over the place. an escalator and elevator. And the trashcans say Merci on them. Someone sure blew the budget building this puppy.
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If I am not mistaken, this is actually a new building on the original site of the first McDonalds
- Alan Morris
No photos of it? :)
- Robert DeBord
Still selling the most unhealthy food and memes on the planet though right? How do you say 'No thanks.' in French?
- Justin Hopkins
from twhirl
Are you at the "Rock and Roll" McDonalds, downtown?
- David Cook
David, yeah, the Rock and Roll one. It has a great McDonald's museum upstairs with lots of old McDonald's memorabilia that I shot for my McDonald's set.
- Thomas Hawk
Robert, no photos yet. I try not to process photos on trips because the time to shoot is so limited and valuable. I really try to focus every possible waking minute shooting. I have to take breaks every so often, but mostly just to free up memory cards, transfer files ot hard drives, etc. I'll start processing once I get back home.
- Thomas Hawk
You might say merci to Dennis Hennequin: http://www.spiegel.de/interna.... Still, most North American outlets are very ugly compared to ours :P
- Jérôme Flipo
This one??http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mrsth
I think you are at the rock'n'roll mcdonalds, but I can't get the pic up to confirm it
- RAPatton
1UP RAPatton
- Akiva Moskovitz
The Rock'n'roll mcdonalds isn't as cool or kitchy as it used to be. It is over by Ed Debevics and Gino's East (They moved that a few years ago).
- RAPatton
bid the food still taste like MCCrap.
- John D Reasor
interesting will have to check that out next time I am there
- (jeff)isageek
I am selling my Amazon Kindle. Here's why...
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The day is coming when the number of devices I have to carry to run my personal and professional lives will number one - the smartphone. The Kindle experience is awesome. Buy a book and bam it's on your Kindle in seconds. But now that the app for the iPhone and iPod Touch (I have both) is more than suitable, I find myself leaving the Kindle at home even on multiple trips to Europe. The smartphone is where it's at.
- Steve Rubel
interesting. i feel just the opposite. the other day i was reading a book and ran out of power. since the charger was at the office, i found myself switching to the iphone and basically gave it up after 10 pages or so. however, im still not sold on the form factor of either device for reading books.
- Chad Stoller
I love reading on the iPhone, too, but to me Kindle's killer feature is the New York Times and the Atlantic.
- Mike Elgan
In this middle of this article (link below) is where I predict this exact thing last August. http://futureperfectpublishing.com/2008...
- Mark Jeffrey
I can't say I agree...yet. I'd like to be down to one device too, but the Kindle still has value for me.
- Nitin Badjatia
But don't you find the iPhone screen too small? I love Instapaper on the iPhone to read webpages on the go. But for me that only works with short texts. I don't see me reading a whole book on a smartphone like device. So I think it's too bad that Amazon is stil not selling the Kindle over here in Germany...
- Bjoern - Hamburg, Germany
If you sell the Kindle, Steve, will you still be able to get books delivered to the iPhone? I also use the iPhone a good bit for reading portions of my Kindle purchases, although it strains the eyes after a while. But, I have been under the impression that I could not have books available on the iPhone unless they were first sent to the Kindle. ???
- Bruce Keener
Eventually I don't think it will matter which wireless-connected portable computer you'll use to read books and make phone calls.
- Luca Fabbri
I'm waiting for a pen-enabled Kindle to be my note taking device.
- Rodfather
For a few pages the iPhone works great, but any sort of extended reading is difficult. Maybe 2 devices - Kindle and iPhone for me.
- Jack Baty
iPhone > Kindle
- Louis Gray
@Bjoern, I read on the iPhone constantly - no issues. But wait 10 years!
- Steve Rubel
@Bruce, yes, you can order books and the iPhone/iPod app will download them.
- Steve Rubel
I thought you were just going to say DRM
- Geoff Schultz
@Geoff no. I still buy ebooks from Amazon, but where I read them has moved.
- Steve Rubel
Absolutely agree we want ONE device. But iPhone screen is 2 small & Kindle is 2 bulky and ultimately fragile. Implant? Headset-glasses-thing? I say I want a Dick Tracy wristwatch, but it's the same search for one ring to bind them all. Phone, camera, video, recorder, internet, text reading... are we likely to find a solution? I trust engineering to develop the answer. Old enough to recall 10 years of the computer world saying THIS is the year of graphics... until it finally WAS.
- Mary Cole
@Mary, eventually the Apple netbook (aka a big iPod Touch)
- Steve Rubel
Maybe you can wait a while and get a brand new iPhone,app store does sell ebooks as well
- Steve Chou
The iPhone is fine for me, especially with the latest app upgrade. And I do like the backlight.
- Mike Beck
I have and use both. But I can see your point about lugging one device during extensive travel. It'd be nice if the iPhone Kindle app let you read your subscriptions as well as your books.
- Tom Landini
Tommy in due time I bet it will
- Steve Rubel
from IM
@Steve Thanks for clearing me up on that. This has been a very interesting and useful thread. Appreciate you starting the conversation.
- Bruce Keener
I actually prefer Stanza over the Kindle app for the iPhone
- Brian Appleby
I'm waiting until all of you to decide so I don't end up with a toxic waste dump of useless gadgets in my basement. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate all of you for figuring this out for me. Whatever we're excited about today will absolutely suck tomorrow. Gadgetophelia is a cruel mistress.
- Jack Humphrey
When it comes to size of screen I wonder if people have finished reading one good book. I tell you, you fall through the pages just like with a regular book. I've been reading on handhelds since 2001. The same book magic is there -- and the screen was 2nd "nature" within a week or two.
- Ruud Hein
I have been traveling to 4 european cities last week and I enjoyed taking it with me everywhere, along with my iphone and mac. Different purpose and worth the additional weight I think.
- Loic Le Meur
Yes, I know that I’ve never used a Kindle- so what gives me the right to hate it? Plenty. I think it started off as a great idea. If it requires me to actually try it to believe it’s a great device- their marketing team has lots of work to do. E-readers seem like a great idea, but I don’t think Amazon/Kindle is making enough of a case for itself to justify I really NEED this device...
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- Ramsey Mohsen
Smartphones provide more than enough display area to read most ebooks comfortably (but not most textbooks).
- Sean McBride
There is no question that the Kindle is still at Version .90 - reminds me of my first Tivo, into which I eventually hacked a network card and upgraded drives. Core paradigm great, needs a couple of hard ware revs to make beautiful - but the habit change engendered by Tivo (Episodic stories! Can follow a sports team with ease!) that resulted in better media engagement has its parallel on...
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- David Gifford
For me, I will will stick with the dedicated reader. I have tried reading on PDA's and phones before and it is just not as nice as reading on the Kindle, the screen is just not big enough. The only thing I dislike about reading on the Kindle, especially blogs and newspapers, is that I cannot share/save the articles I like. I really wish there was some social network type integration. Even if it was just a simple bookmarklet type function so that I could share on Twitter/FF or save to my Diigo account.
- Sean Brady
@Ramsey your arguments are interesting until one bumps into ipod worshipping. total turn off :(((
- A.T.
@David there is *one little hiccup* with Kindle - you need it to read ebooks from amazon. with books from shop you need only your eyes and some basic light. you are going into kind of dependency which you do not understand for 100%. What if tomorrow Amazon decides to raise prices (because almost all bookprinting went busted)? What if their service hacked, goes berserk and crashes your copies in Kindle? what if Sprint decides introduce their own *tax* on you?
- A.T.
I really need the battery life of my phone... I don't think its worth it to drain my battery on the go so I can read, I would rather have a Kindle and not have to worry that I'm going to be left drained.
- Frankie Warren
I can read news and short pieces just fine on my mobile phone. I read a LOT of books, though. I think I average nearly 4 or 5 books a month, sometimes more. Trying to read a book on a mobile phone is just not a pleasant experience. The eyestrain alone is too much for me. You won't hear about me selling my Kindle 2 anytime soon. :)
- George A. Roberts IV
George -- I read about 10 books a month, and I find the eyestrain on a smartphone usually to be less than with hardcopy books. The text is crisp and clear; I can set the font to whatever size I like; the text is backlit to whatever setting I choose. And a smartphone is much easier to hold than many of the 800-page bricks that are published these days. Wherein precisely does the eyestrain reside?
- Sean McBride
I've read four 500+ page fiction novels via the iPod/iPhone Kindle app this year. No complaints here! For news I've got the iPhone optimized versions of Google Reader and Friendfeed.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
That´s exactly my main argument against the Kindle as well. It only does one thing very well and doesn´t replace anything. I´ll rather have a tablet with a screen compromise.
- Thomas Bøhm
i disagree about the one device. when companies try to come up with the one device, it usually fails. the device does many things half as good. i know that is a standard argument, but for me one device is a pie in the sky dream. i have an iphone, and it does a lot of stuff well, but the kindle app is fine for short bursts of reading. overall, i find it limiting -- and the rub for the...
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- Daniel Langendorf
i was trying to go to one device with my blackberry or treo but seem to be drifting back to mulitple devices. I have a kindle that I love and think from a reading perspective is better than any other device.
- Ted Kinzer
Could this be the answer to all? http://www.pcworld.com/article...
- Jorge Escobar
After seeing the Kindle app for iPhone & iPod Touch, there is no way a Kindle is seriously considered as a purchase if they ever were.
- Roney Smith
I like the Kindle reader on my iPod Touch, and have read a fair bit on that device. However, the experience of reading on the Kindle 2 itself is still much better. The screen is much larger and easier to read for extended periods of time. And the battery life is FAR superior. Reading on the iPod Touch will kill the battery within a couple of hours -- not enough to come anywhere close to...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
After 5 days of hospitalization, I should go home home today. I'm touched by & thankful for all the Tweets & well-wishing emails.
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glad to hear all is well Ben! wishing you a great Memorial Day weekend and hope you get to 120% :D
- Jas Sandhu
Aww, glad to hear.
- Tyson Key
Is 20% of Something Better Than 88% of Nothing? Flickr, Getty Images, Clustershot and the Future of Stock Photography - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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I thought I’d put out a post after I received my first earnings report (which I received today) from stock photography agency Getty Images. I signed up to have Getty represent 60 of my individual photographs as part of the recent deal between Getty Images and Flickr. The Flickr/Getty arrangement is by invite only and Getty initially selected about 90 of my images. I listed all of the images that they asked for that didn’t need model releases (which was 60). Most of the other images that they wanted where model releases were needed are of me or my family, so I’ll probably add those to the collection as well in the next few weeks. So in my first month of production with Getty I sold two of the 60 images. Those two images totaled $689.97 in fees to Getty and $138.00 (my 20% cut) to me. At the same time that I’d signed up with Getty I also listed 24,917 of my photos with the upstart stock photography agency Clustershot. Clustershot, started by Canadian web development company silverorange...
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- Thomas Hawk
Pretty dismal return for both sites. I wouldn't have expected much from Clustershot, but with 25K photos on their site, you would think if they had any traffic, there would have been some sales. My guess is Clustershot has little to no real traffic from people looking to buy photos.
- Jeff P. Henderson
thanks for sharing this Thomas. its seems like once again, Getty wins out. Clustershot looks interesting but unless they have some inside tracks to advertisers/buyers they will end up just like the others (ie Photoshelter and the like). I do wish them luck though. I'd like to see more companies like this spring up and be successful.
- Carlos Ayala
Personally, I think in the long run ClusterShot or a company like them will have a chance. Photrade is another one out there with high photographer payouts. If the internet is good at anything, it's good at squeezing out the middleman, which today is Getty. Then again, one could make a pretty strong case that the value provided to the photographer by Getty is worth something. Maybe not 80% of the profit, but something more than 12% for sure.
- Thomas Hawk
ClusterShot responded via email to this post and I added their email to this article as an update as well.
- Thomas Hawk
Thank you Thomas for sharing it. Very interesting read.
- Nia
Thanks for sharing Thomas! I was just looking at ClusterShot (literally a few hours before this post) and their site looks very interesting, however, I found it extremely slow to work with. For example, when I clicked on your name to load your pictures, it took roughly 1 - 2 minutes to load (maybe more). That is ridiculous. Perhaps using their service on a personal website (through an API) will be more beneficial right now. We'll see how their service builds out...
- Justin Korn
This is a common problem with the new photo selling sites. I call it the pizza delivery problem. Where I grew up there were dozens of pizza places within a few miles of my house. But, when I wanted to order a pizza, there were 1 or 2 that I would call 99% of the time. Where the others better or worse? No, I just hadn't eaten there before, and as a result, I never tried them. Same thing...
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- mike
I also received my last month earnings report from Getty today…..I have 65 images in the Flickr Getty collection and I sold 7 photos last month. 5 were to USA buyers including a couple of big ad agencies. Two were to foreign companies in Germany and Spain. Sale prices ranged from $49 to just shy of $400 per image - and my earnings (commissions) were almost $300 for the month. So, for...
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- Jeff Clow
Thanks for the info. Will you be in Chicago Saturday?
- Mark Williamson
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Jeff, Congrats on that! 7 photos is great. Were they all 7 different? Were some the same? Mark, I will be in Chicago on Sat. We'll meet at the Bean at 6pm for a photowalk. Looking forward to seeing you there!
- Thomas Hawk
In the words of Flight of the Conchords, "two minutes in heaven is better than one minute in heaven".
- Matt
Yikes! While I'm happy that you have a way of selling your work, is 20% common? Why so much overhead?
- jcunwired
that's the market right now jcunwired. At least at Getty. 20% is also what they pay at iStockphoto. Right now they are the market leader. It would be interesting to see Corbis come out with a similar program to throw a little competition in there. I'm sure a lot of this will be changing in the next few years. I've always thought 20% feels low, even though Getty brings an awful lot to the table and not just in terms of their existing buyers. Their service is quite strong and professional as well.
- Thomas Hawk
geek russian nesting dolls
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I love that!!
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
Yeah, but the last one is supposed to be millibyte. Duh!
- j1m
Not to scale! You should be able to fit a thousand gigabytes in the terabyte…
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
What, no zetabyte?
- Todd Hoff
Glen, maybe the dolls were made over a long enough time span for Moore's law to help.
- Bruce Lewis
Awesome pic!!
- Sujay
You forgot neophyte and acolyte.
- Rick Cogley
I had to reshare this one for sure :)
- Tamara
I'm resharing. I hope you don't mind.
- Helen Sventitsky
They'd be even more awesome with a bit more color, but I still really like the idea. Why didn't *I* think of that??
- Kamilah Gill
There needs to be one between the byte and the bit - a 'nibble', which is half a byte. Now THAT would be ubergeek.
- Sharon Barclay
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oh, i want these! (where?)
- susan mernit
I love these things, but this is the best series I've seen to date!
- Justin Davey
The scale is a little off. That terabyte doll should be about 549755814 kilometers tall.
- KyleHase
looks like this is the place that makes them http://www.artlebedev.com/everyth...
- Darren Heydon
very cute
- katie moffat
lol @Glenn
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I need that at work! So cool! where did you get that?
- Anna Lynn M.
These are great :D!
- Nia
best matryshkee ever.
- anna sauce
These are AWESOME.
- Mona Nomura
Ha! I need some of those for my...er...brother. Yeah...but they're unavailable (even in black)
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
it would be awesome if the Terabyte doll was actually a 1 TB external HD
- Joseph Akbrud
The planet's biggest camera. http://adjix.com/4t8d (see also http://photography.alltop.com/) GR
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Cute moment of the day: Banker saves baby ducks. http://adjix.com/x49k (see also http://cute.alltop.com/) AC
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If your email starts with "Dear media representative," I don't really care what it says, it's going straight to trash.
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I got the same email and had the same reaction.
- Robert Scoble
I never received that kind of mail, so I can't say. So, how does it feel to be seen as a "Media-representative-but-on-the-Internet"?
- Zackatoustra
The paintings of Scott Richard - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Five ways to use Twitter to improve your marketing. http://adjix.com/cm2v (see also http://marketing.alltop.com/) AC
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