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javascript:void(document.body.contentEditable=(document.body.contentEditable!='true'))
Mehmet Fatih YILDIZ, Dmitry 'radiant' Volkov, workalien 24/7 and 93 other people liked this
WHOA! Cool!
- AJ Batac
awesome!
- siniradam
you just made my color blind self cry tears of joy - I can now click that to discover all of the links that some crazy color mad designer has "hidden" from me by their color choices
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
wow neat trick
- Onur Gündüz
is there a bookmarklet to make hackernews look good on the iphone?
- Ivan Kirigin
Add this to FriendFeed and you've got Wave :-)
- Jesse Stay
Reminds me somewhat of ClutterMe http://www.clutterme.com/ - they figured out how to make a whole page in-place-editable (javascript of course) - just click anywhere and start typing: http://www.clutterme.com/pages...
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice, discover links obscured by CSS
- Orlando Pozo
Cute trick. Not being familiar with java script (at all) what is the void%200 statement there for?
- Eric Borisch
Without the void 0, the browser will navigate to a page showing the result of the computation.
- Paul Buchheit
Not grasping the %200, though
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
But that's not the case when I just execute it in the (safari) address bar. I take it that's expected?
- Eric Borisch
%20 is a space. I'm not sure about safari -- I use ff.
- Paul Buchheit
Cool. This + FB + malcontents + screenshots = ???
- Eric Borisch
What is this supposed to do again ?-- it does nothing that I can discern in IE, FF or Chrome (on Vista).
- Brian Sullivan
OK I see what it does on FF.
- Brian Sullivan
But only in FireFox presumably?
- Brian Sullivan
It works on IE
- AJ Batac
So it does -- first time I tried IE8 crashed.
- Brian Sullivan
Works in Chrome, too
- Jan Ole Peek
It doesn't seem to work in 4.0.223.11
- Brian Sullivan
I'm still on Chrome 3.0.195.27 but it says no update detected... this is in Win7. Pretty sure my OSX Chrome is 4.0.223.11 though.
- Jan Ole Peek
4.0.223.11 is the latest in the dev stream.
- Brian Sullivan
Works on Chrome Mac version here. I added the script as a new bookmark in the menu.
- Jesper Lind
Try this instead to avoid the %20 weirdness: javascript:void(document.body.contentEditable=(document.body.contentEditable!='true'))
- Matt Mastracci
Doesn't seem to work either -- maybe a bug in the dev version?
- Brian Sullivan
World's coolest bookmarklet, especially those who are creating demo apps.
- Mike Reynolds
Wow, this is awesome (works perfectly for me in Firefox 3.5). Simple Bookmarklet code that makes Web pages "editable". Now if only there were save + back buttons or something = Instant Wiki.
- Alex Schleber
I realized after playing for a while, some of the keyboard events stop working, like submitting form by hitting Enter .. (FF 3.5.3)
- Onur Gündüz
this is the fundamental line of every wysiwyg editor you use. for IE use allowEdit
- Tzury Bar Yochay
Clicking it a second time makes it un-editable (and therefore it should respond to events and such).
- Paul Buchheit
So how do you discover 'hidden' links.?
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Cool, worked for me (the box is Windows Chrome 3.0.195.27)
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
I mean in all open tabs and windows, not just in editable mode. It stayed that way, still no keyboard events (not restarted ff yet) :)
- Onur Gündüz
Figured how to make it but what's it good for - pretending to rip other people's stuff to sh*t?
- Michael Slattery
Michael - I'm thinking about possible use as a minor webdesign tool. Of course other tools are more powerful, but this is a nice simple one.
- Deborah Fitchett
Ok, I finally get it
- Michael Slattery
this is the worlds best website
- Grant Rhoades
Corporate Culture, Not Technology, Drives Online Collaboration - http://webworkerdaily.com/2009...
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RT @aponcier Corporate Culture, Not Technology, Drives Online Collaboration http://bit.ly/2DfzDr via @fredzimny [from http://twitter.com/dhinchc...]
- Dion Hinchcliffe
Reva, an Indian Maker of Electric Cars, Looks to Upsize - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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"What’s indisputable is that as the whole automotive world seems to be racing suddenly toward the age of electricity, the Reva Electric Car Company is in the lead, ahead of better-known local competitors like Tata Motors and global giants like General Motors and Toyota."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
Tweet of the day RT @alanlepo: I wish people would just call social media, marketing. Oh wait, that would render a gazillion gurus obsolete.
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Play framework - the first reasonable Java web framework I have personally seen. - http://www.playframework.org/documen...
Ashwin Bharambe, Wojciech Polak, Thomas Amberg and 21 other people liked this
"However Play is a very unique Java framework. It does not really rely on the so-called Java Enterprise standards. It uses Java but tries to push all the good things from the frameworks based on scripting languages like Ruby On Rails, Django, ... etc. to the Java world. We really tried to get the best of the Java platform without getting the pain of traditional Java web development: slow development cycle, too much abstraction, too much configuration..."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
And Bret is probably the first reasonable evaluator of existing Java web frameworks I see. Because 95% of those are in fact unreasonable. Bret! I will appreciate if you also try to find some reasons in HybridJava - http://www.hybridserverpages.com/ Alex
- Alex Serov
SOA Manifesto - http://soa-manifesto.org/
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Checking out the new http://soa-manifesto.org Lots of good signatories. Might as well be the EA Manifesto though. [from http://twitter.com/dhinchc...]
- Dion Hinchcliffe
First, FriendFeed is _not_ going away. (in fact, we're working on switching it to new servers) Second, I know everyone wants to know what the team is working on, but we don't pre-announce things, so for now all I can say is that there's good stuff on the way. Re: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi...
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I know that doesn't answer everyone's questions, but I hope it helps.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, working on friendfeed.com stuff or facebook.com?
- Kol Tregaskes
I like the first sentence. The rest is just gravy.
- Derek Coward
I'm totally happy if we just reside on decent servers, and get occasional IT help... We'll keep the rest of the ship running :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Paul - is that why it's been slower lately vs.pre-fb ?
- Allen Stern
Paul please repeat it in re-phrased form: Friendfeed is NOT going to repeat destiny of Jaiku? Y/N
- A.T.
*processing statement...*
- Micah Wittman
Can't wait... **Fingers tapping desk impatiently**
- AJ Batac
But what does "going away" mean, Paul? And what does "team" mean? And when you say "pre-announce", are you talking about the Palm Pre?
- Ken Sheppardson
Allen, the slowness is due to growth (more users and more data), but I put in a few fixes yesterday that should speed things up a bit.
- Paul Buchheit
thanks paul
- Allen Stern
Paul, sometimes when I open up threads I get the Opps... error. Is that related? It has been happening more and more these last few days.
- Kol Tregaskes
Still better than twitter and facebook. Thanks for the update!
- Mike Nencetti
Paul, thanks for the incredible work with FriendFeed. Please, keep it alive! and most importantly keep it FriendFeed!
- Ciro
as long as FF doesn't go dark or fall to pieces due to lack of maintenance, i think most ppl would be appeased.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Does this mean that the sky is not falling and we should stop running around screaming GODZILLA! and pointing in the direction of FB?
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
also, thank you for making such a great service in the first place!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Paul: Did you see http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009... & can you understand why it got so many people talking / blogging?
- Jim Connolly
I second that!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Paul.
- CW™
Always nice to hear Paul talking about Friendfeed.
- ashish
Thanks Paul for the update.
- Roberto Bonini
Thanks for the update! Would like to know if there will be actual development done on FriendFeed in the future (other than bug fixes/minor updates) but I understand if you can't really talk about that too much.
- Brandon Titus
Paul: so still no answer from you as to if your 'good stuff' is being developed for FB or FF? The silence suggests it's FaceBook you're working on, or at least transferring FF into an 'add on' for Facebook?
- Jim Connolly
Kol, fb platform and openness, primarily.
- Paul Buchheit
David Recordon FTW
- Jesse Stay
i made a post here - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - one interesting note - maybe FB keeps FF running nice and smooth to keep the early adopters happy as it's a great way to get new features out to them via this channel... just a thought.
- Allen Stern
Wow. I've had to eat my words before but these are the best-tasting ones yet!
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
Akiva, just add salt. You know which kind :)
- Micah Wittman
I'm anxiously waiting for FF->FB Platform integration (drools...)
- Jesse Stay
These are the best words I could have expected by Paul. There is obviously a cultural difference between the two platforms and audience and I'm assuming both the former FF team and the FB team recognize that and are sensitive to the community. Thank you Paul and I hope you are feeling better....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Allen, you're in good company on that thought - there were musings on that concept right after the buyout.
- Micah Wittman
Damn, 20+ likes within a matter of 2 minutes.
- Maxamad
When the leader speaks, everyone listens.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I feel a few "I told you so's" coming though... :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Paul. Glad you're working on maintaining/improving performance. I've definitely seen issues here. Looking forward towards your influence and changes over at the blue giant.
- Mark Krynsky
Paul - thank you for letting us know, and I do hope you feel better!
- Jennifer Dittrich
The big question though is will FriendFeed continue to add new features? There's a difference between that and it going away. (and hence my argument w/ Scoble the other day)
- Jesse Stay
Paul: Seriously weird that you're there reading this, and totally ignoring each relevant, yes no question. No one's asking you to pre announce anything - just genuinely concerned (and increasingly so) that they do NOT include developing for FF.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse +1
- Jim Connolly
I for one want to say: I'm excited!
- Jorge Escobar
Jesse: Paul answers that question - BOOM - rumour mill dies and we finally get something positive to say. Ya know what - we won;t get an answer though. He's reading this, he knows the answer, but he won't.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: For now, FF has more features than any other platform for this type of niche. There's some catching up to do before I'm worried about new features.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AWESOME!! Thanks for helping to quell some concerns Paul. Looking forward to what comes next, but hope that FF never dissappears also.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Shouldn't we be asking the facebook guys, and let Paul keep working? Or is he wearing many hats (friendfeed head honcho and facebook openess builder)?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: I'm right, right? There's something stopping you from saying that you are no longer adding new features to what 'we' know as Friendfeed?
- Jim Connolly
Not for nothing, but I took my friendfeed embed off my tiny blog for a few weeks after the facebook buy out. There was just this empty spot on my eyesore of a website, so I put the embed back. We care because we like the connections we've made here and don't want to lose them. It's personal for us to.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: Amazing how quickly you guys have adopted the Facebook attitude to silence. Pity.
- Jim Connolly
Paul: blink twice if you will add new features to FF. I won't tell anyone, honest.
- Edward Zwart
FWIW he did just upgrade servers. My e-mail notifications are almost real-time. Sounds to me like they're still improving the service.
- Jesse Stay
Jim: Don't blame Paul on that, it's not fair. He's only allowed to say so much at this point but I'm very satisfied on what he said.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse: The questions not if they keep the servers running - we want to know if this is a dead platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: in Paul's defense Facebook's PR is more controlling than FriendFeed's was. I'm sure he's having to consider the effects his words will have on other people inside Facebook. But, I'm VERY HAPPY that Paul is here giving us hints as to what's coming. I wish it had happened six weeks ago so we wouldn't have lost so many people, but maybe that would happen anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jim, there may be a few new things, but as I said, the team is mainly working on fb platform and openness, so it's unlikely that there will be any big new features of ff (except maybe one that I've been thinking about for a while...).
- Paul Buchheit
Did the Walrus think about Feed Splicing? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paul: Finally - THAT'S what we were wondering.
- Jim Connolly
Cool Dude: Need it to have a classier forum than the parent; Parent is still good but the options here make it just a bit nicer.
- ThatDBD
Paul: Pity. At least we now know not to expect any developments or improvements. Thanks for answering the question. Whilst it confirmed my fears, it's good to know what's happening.
- Jim Connolly
Johnny said it nicely here: http://www.johnnyworthington.com/...
- Mark Essel
I have no problem with FB integration (notice my drool above). Hoping for good friend conversion tools to bring subscribers over as friends or fans on Facebook from FriendFeed. (Connect.registerUsers FTW!)
- Jesse Stay
Jim: I'd modify "any" to "many."
- Robert Scoble
As a result - Jim has left the platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: this is a change from last week, by the way. My sources were telling me that we weren't going to get any new features and now Paul is refuting that and saying we might get one new feature here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still drooling - anyone have a towel?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I'll buy you a virtual one over on Ning.
- Robert Scoble
personally, i would be happy just to have FF not fall apart and die. given the post-acquisition situation, anything beyond that is gravy!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Robert, I heard Ning is dead - care to send me one on Facebook? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, think of it as 20% time. If there's a feature I want, I'll just add it :)
- Paul Buchheit
Thank you for the clarification, Paul, and hope you are feeling better.
- WorldofHiglet
a communication channel that will be around and getting improved no matter what happens, our blogs :D I'll be commenting on yours Jim. 20%, that's a helluva light better than 0%, that's actually much more than I expected. Could we crowd source funding to buy you more %?
- Mark Essel
Even if there no new features in Friendfeed, I am happy with Friendfeed just staying on.
- ashish
how many users are there on friendfeed is there any chance we could buy it out (and get a full time dev staff back)? This platform rules, the dev team is incredible (albeit on facebook stuff now).
- Mark Essel
Paul, if you wanted me to bake you some cookies, all you had to do was ask, GEEZ.
- Derrick
Question: how many facebook bucks do we have to buy in total to get Paul and team working on friendfeed more of the time (100% ;)
- Mark Essel
Twitter doesn't accept cupcakes any more (just check Foursquare when at their offices). How about FriendFeed? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I'm okay with better Facebook integration. There's a lot of power in that (hence my drooling).
- Jesse Stay
I've got mixed feelings Jesse. I have friends on facebook. Then I have people that get excited by the same stuff that I do on friendfeed
- Mark Essel
Mark, I'm really hoping it ends up the best of both worlds - that would be really cool
- Jesse Stay
im going back to efnet - i got a bus for 7pm - anyone want on? :-P
- Allen Stern
I don't think you can mix the two sites at all. This has been repeated over and over. FriendFeed's technology might be portable, the concept, no.
- Jorge Escobar
Is it too late to do something about it. If it's a question of funds, can't we raise some? I mean this is the best communication platform I've come across yet. Facebook could be, if they just handed over the reigns to Paul, but its unlikely that sort of shift could happen.
- Mark Essel
Is the user perceived need of a full time devoted dev staff a fallacy?
- Mark Essel
I think you could make the case that some sites and services can in fact be "done" at some point, and simply require resources to keep them up and running.
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks, Paul.
- Josh Haley
Ken: That's a potential advantage of turnkey application-level hosting such as App Engine: the resources to keep them up and running are almost entirely outsourced. ~All costs are variable costs, monetization improves over time, variable costs decline over time, so services that are "done" can literally just coast.
- Daniel Dulitz
They could open up something like friendfeed. Distributed social networks, with many servers would make search more challenging (search like status could help). The Internet keeps on chugging, it's a distributed information network that's been alive for many years. Our social networks should live, as does the underlying Internet.
- Mark Essel
Nice Daniel, I've been having fun playing around there (frankensearch.appspot.com). I'm using it to get to learn a little more about scala and lift now.
- Mark Essel
might be a full-time job times 2 or 3 for any fresh devs - safe to say Paul's got a bit of a head-start which changes that equation significantly! .... Also maybe almost as important is simply keeping spammers in check - that makes the difference between a ghost town vs the happy place here we want to keep coming back to enjoy ...
- Dan Freeman
Yes, this helps a lot. Thank you, Paul. We were beginning to fight amongst ourselves over these things.
- Kamilah Gill
I bet a good contextual advertising box off to the side could generate 35-50million dollars in 6 months with a user base of 1 million people. The assumption is that the average user spends 100-200 bucks on the site making purchases they'd normally make anyway and the affiliate percentage goes to the social host.
- Mark Essel
Friendfeed's health needn't be measured by the team's willingness to add new features. Shovels haven't changed in hundreds of years, but nobody is running around saying shovels are dying. A shovel is a great tool --a simple one, at that. If anything, I'd take away features on FF, but that's just me. Thanks for jumping in, Paul.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: the problem is that a shovel doesn't get more utility the more people that use it. FriendFeed does.
- Robert Scoble
I think the problem is that some people feel extra messianic some days (which is perfectly okay), and then refuse to see/believe/accept when others don't feel the same way AND point it out. The refusing part is not really okay, I guess.
- Michael Bravo
Thanks for these reassuring words Paul. Have been working hard to get more Flickr users over here after the recent rash of censorship there. Friendfeed's TOS and lack of censorship is a breath of fresh air compared to Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
I wouldn't say lack of censorship, but community moderated filters. ;)
- CW™
I think you're unnecessarily complicating the discussion by adding new vocabulary, Robert. Now you're talking scale, not features. A product needn't expand its feature set to remain useful. Feature creep is the devil, anyway. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
You can’t predict what the future of technology will bring; so trying is a fool’s game. You can only adapt to the new realities as best you can. Paul's word is that it is still worth the time to invest in FF the tool. The tool may stay in this form but that's still a better design for me than Twitter. If FF is a shovel, Twitter is a spoon feature-wise. Audience volume-wise, it is the reverse.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
"Feature creep is the devil." truer words!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Now this makes me feel hopeful!:)
- Patrik Johansson
Ok here's an example of what the social media + contextual ads could like like (sorry can't embed iframe twitter they go full screen so I showed it with friendfeed). But the idea is clear: http://victusmedia.com/social-... This works by sending your tweet stream to zemanta, and then does some backend stuff (which we're working on improving) to get relevant ads from amazon
- Mark Essel
I've been rough on you guys in some comments around, but I'm VERY encouraged to see that you guys see a future for FF. Thanks for shining some light, Paul.
- Scott of Two Countries
Clarification is appreciated.
- DGentry
A respectable amount of information. Thank you.
- Matthew DeVries
Chris: Pownce had more "features" than Twitter did, yet it died. So did other aggregators like Jaiku. It's not "features" that matter in social software. Well, at least not completely. It's a combination of features with crowds that matter. If the crowds leave FriendFeed has a lot less utility to everyone than if they flow in. Look at this item here. Why is it interesting? Because there's people here talking about it.
- Robert Scoble
take your time PB Bear take your time
- Thomas Power
This is definitely more of the answer we were looking for. Thanks, Paul.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
All I can say is "thank you" for letting us know what's going on. I'm glad to hear FF will be around for the foreseeable future. :-) LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED!
- Jason Huebel
yea - happy happy....
- Chris Jackson
I can't find any wave that is even remotely comparable with friendfeed's conversation, if you found one will you invite me? (muzzle at googlewave)
- Emme Ci
Great news, I await the new functions eagerly
- Mo Kargas
looks like good news ...
- johnpiercy
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best thing I've seen ALL day!! woo hoo!! Thanks Paul :) {{{ HUG }}}
- Susan Beebe
Just a few words of assurance go a long way, Paul. Thank you for finally giving us something more solid to stand on. It's been frustrating for a lot of us waiting for the other shoe to drop and this news makes it much easier to keep investing time in FriendFeed. Please don't be shy about reaffirming that it's not going away on a regular basis because it's always good to hear.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I will say it for the least time! Friendfeed kicks ass :). The rest who is saying friendfeed is dying. please SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
- alfred westerveld
Good to read.
- Grant Bierman
Tnx Paul, people just want to see that are not "alone"
- Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF
from FreshFeed
"As a result - Jim has left the platform. - Jim Connolly" - Was this guy ever on the platform?! A quick glance at his most recent posts [first page] show pretty much 100% of posts made from other platforms. Cut him and his blood runs blue. Twitter blue :)
- 1x29
IF you glance over the Right Wing guys publications-there is some serious Terrorism encouragement from those sociopaths. This looked like a real strong example of what they are encouraging their followers to do??? Been saying we need to pay attention they are respectable foes to intelligence and their agenda is to win at all costs. Dudes they are great foes, need to,got to, have to pay attention to what they are doing. Peace love your neighbors dudes.
- ThatDBD
@ThatDBD I think you're responding to the wrong thread...
- Her Lindsay-ness
still curious, but understand
- Kim Landwehr
It's fascinating that so many people seem worried about new features. Until recently Twitter added almost no features at all and yet it continued to grow in popularity. FriendFeed's recent slump is all about perception, not tech.
- Eoghann Irving
Exactly Eoghann.
- Maxamad
these conversations take too much time for narcisists with tight schedules (stars). Publicity skyrocketed Twitter to the limelight. Friendfeeds champions are tech geeks, and folks that love chatting and sharing. There aren't many of us though. Give us time, or let us own the platform with a public ipo /buyin from facebook. Free friendfeed!
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Looks like it's official then: FriendFeed lives! On new servers, even! (At least for now...)
- Dennis Jernberg
Hoorah!
- Ron Bailey
Very glad to hear it!!
- Rosalinda Mojarro
word!
- Dylan Casey
This is great news! Thanks, Paul, for the update, and if you get a hankering for a feature, great! I'm fine with the tech being your personal sandbox in exchange for keeping the service alive. Robert, I hope this means we'll see more of you and your family - and hear from the ones who have mastered the art of rolling over. Johnny, thanks for having the courage to ask the hard questions (and Louis for helping you frame the issues.) wow - life feels good again!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
This is brilliant news from Paul! Now can we put this FriendFeed is dying business to rest please? It's a self fullfilling prophecy because by saying FF is dying, folks begin leaving, causing a downward spiral which would then cause it to come true!
- technogran
Wan't it to stay? Then begin spreading the word! Get others to use it! At the moment its not mainstream so encourage ordinary users to use FF! The more popular it becomes the less likely it is to fold.
- technogran
Yes :) Paul . Thanks. we love ff :)
- sunipeyk
Questions? No just enjoy it.
- ★ Soner Gönül
technogran: sorry, today you see what's going on. Bing? Displays your Facebook and Twitter tweets. Google? Twitter. Where's FriendFeed in this equation? Now do you get why FriendFeed is destined to be a tiny niche player and why the real action is on Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
Good news :)
- Maryam Ardakani
from FreshFeed
Is not FF that is going somewhere else (?). Is its user base.
- Claudio Cicali ♋
Good to know.
- orionstarr
from iPhone
Robert, if FF gives me what I'm looking for, why do I care where "the real action" is? If FF serves its niche well, what's the downside?
- Scott of Two Countries
Robert, do you mean that Google doesn't index Friendfeed posts? Friendfeed is the first site that comes up if you search for my name.
- Victor Ganata
Excellent point Victor - but FF only imports a small % of twitter's posts. Ergo Google is still not getting Twitter.
- Roberto Bonini
@Scobleizer - this item is not interesting because of the conversation. it's interesting because of who it's from, and what he said. The fact that there's a conversation around it and that conversation is easy to find and read is a bonus (a feature) that sets this service head and shoulders above others (IMHO). There's really not much interesting in the comments here, if you ask me. You could get rid of all the comments that aren't Paul's and the value of the entry doesn't diminish that much.
- Chris Heath
That isn't to say that conversations around items aren't ever useful or valuable (or interesting as robert says)... but in this case i would say it's who it's from and what he said.
- Chris Heath
Chris: you nailed, in a single paragraph, why Twitter is winning. You now can choose who shows up on your screen and under what context. Well, I can because I have list support. Everyone else will get that next month. Victor: Roberto is right. I barely see ANY of the good stuff I see on Twitter come over here. Well, it comes here because of my favorites feed, but that isn't in nearly as useful a form as it is over at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you keep saying that's the reason Twitter's winning - I can do that in Facebook and FriendFeed as well.
- Jesse Stay
Well, the problem is that Google doesn't seem to index tweets as well as it indexes Friendfeed posts. And Google has never been able go inside Facebook's walled garden. Hopefully that will change.
- Victor Ganata
(and I have been able to for the last year or so)
- Jesse Stay
Victor, that changed today - see ReadWriteWeb's post. Facebook is opening up public status messages to search engines now.
- Jesse Stay
Why is Twitter/Facebook/FriendFeed a zero sum game? I use both Twitter and FriendFeed a lot - they have different strengths - and they feed into each other. Facebook I use less, but that's a personal issue because I simply like it less. Why does there have to be a winner? And +1 Scott, if I'm in the niche market that FF is serving and I'm happy with it, why should I care if "the real action" is on Facebook? If that's the case, I'll take FF's "fake action," thank you very much.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Good point Jandy
- sunipeyk
Paul: Thank you for letting us know status as much as you are able. The fact that you took time to write anything says a lot. So thank you for that. And thank you for FriendFeed in general. It truly does rock. Have a great day.
- Morgan Haley
Thank you.
- amygeek
Why don't you just give us all Facebook accounts for the one's that don't have them and be done with it. But the Turbocharged FF/FB accounts!!
- Gene Williams
@Gene, sorry, you'll have to wait for a FB invite like everyone else!
- Andrew C
@Andrew Oh that sucks, I'm still waiting for my Facebook invite. Do you have one to spare?
- Patrik Johansson
FF team needs 20% time at FB to keep inventing the next.
- Christopher Galtenberg
This is great to hear, it would be bad that a major peice of my microblogging arogration just died off.
- denzuko
Bump for clarification and Happy Birthday Paul!
- Charlie Anzman
TrueCrypt - Free Open-Source Disk Encryption - Documentation - Version History - http://www.truecrypt.org/docs...
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TrueCrypt now supports SnowLeopard
- Deepak Singh
And support for Windows 7 now too - neat, that wasn't there when I checked last month!
- Daniel Swan
I like this, from the manual: "In case an adversary forces you to reveal your password, TrueCrypt provides and supports two kinds of plausible deniability" :-)
- Noel O'Boyle
TrueCrypt is great in my experience. I wonder how well it works with WDE. Now if only PGP Desktop would fully support Snow Leopard. They have a beta program but I'm not willing to risk bricking my laptop.
- Adam Kraut
The Bay Area, a New Blog From The New York Times - Bay Area Blog - NYTimes.com - http://bayarea.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
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"Welcome to The Bay Area, a new New York Times blog covering stories of interest to readers from the nine counties that embrace neighborhoods from Mountain View to Mt. Tam to Mt. Hamilton, Pleasanton to Palo Alto to Petaluma, San Jose to San Rafael to San Pablo, Fremont to Fairfield to the Farallones."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
One small disappointment about the blog is that it does not full RSS feed. But then again none of the NYTimes blogs have it.
- Atul Arora
Uhhh what about Oakland and Berkeley?
- Dave Winer
They fall within the triangle created if you connect Pleasanton, Palo Alto, and Petaluma (or San Jose, San Rafael, and San Pablo) with straight lines. =P
- Brian Chang
A List Apart: Articles: The Wisdom of Community - http://www.alistapart.com/article...
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The Wisdom of Crowds (WOC) theory does not mean that people are smart in groups—they’re not. Anyone who’s seen an angry mob knows it. But crowds, presented with the right challenge and the right interface, can be wise. When it works, the crowd is wiser, in fact, than any single participant. You need a few things to enable online crowds to be wise: Simplicity. Interface. Aggregation. Participation. Selfishness. Scores. Leaderboards. Explicit vs Implicit Feedback. Voting.
- Hutch Carpenter
Tags: wisdomofcrowds communities ui ux social enterprise20
- Hutch Carpenter
louisgray: New Blog Post: Can Twitter Replace RSS for Sharing the Best of the Web? http://bit.ly/3zqtOE @scobleizer - http://twitter.com/louisgr...
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Freaking awesome run down of information filtering/curating methods. I dream of building the automattic LouisGray, but it's not going to happen. My backup plan, building tools that help Robert and Louis manage information flow
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Michael Dell @churchillclub - "If u get the latest processor, office 2010 and win 7, you will love your PC again" :)
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So long as Win 7 is supported by all that new hardware. Mine isn't
- Jesse Stay
didnt realize new hardware didnt support it - that is a wee bit surprising :)
- Mrinal Desai
Using Erlang to Build Reliable, Fault Tolerant, Scalable Systems - http://www.ddj.com/hpc-hig...
Dan Freeman, Joel Webber, Anand Sharma and 5 other people liked this
finally, an article that tells me some benefits of Erland and OTP without all the hype
- Jeremy Zawodny
Ah Erlang - one of the great Danes. The father of building telephone central offices. When i was at Lucent they always spoke of central office capacity in terms of "Erlangs".
- Lars Rabbe
Beanstalk Client - http://beanstalk.rubyforge.org/
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beanstalkd is a fast, distributed, in-memory work-queue service. Its interface is generic, but is intended for use in reducing the latency of page views in high-volume web applications by running most time-consuming tasks asynchronously.
- Deepak Singh
Posterous Catches Friendfeed - http://www.steverubel.com/postero...
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This should be a controversial post here, but it's correct. I've seen this flow of traffic away from FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why should you abandon FriendFeed just because they were acquired? The features are still the same, the friends are the same. It's certainly doing a disservice to the FF team as they work on a FB integration. If all leave FF due to new owners, then there's nothing left to integrate. I'm staying until they pull the plug (but frankly not sure if I want to join FB).
- Nils Sandin
I think its true, quite a few people are posting less then they used to and some have stopped posting here all together. But I think that says more about the users than it does the service they have all but abandoned. If the development team behind FF had some how managed to keep the sale to Facebook a secret, most of those people would probably still be here.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Nils: because I invest my time on systems that WILL BE not that "ARE." The FriendFeed team has already been moved to other projects, so we won't be seeing new features. I like FriendFeed and will continue to come here, but I am spending my time on systems that are getting active development and that will be improved in the future. Twitter, for instance, has 75 people working on it. Facebook? 200 engineers and 1000 employees. But, seriously, I go where the geeks go and they are here less and less.
- Robert Scoble
Robert so where are you now? Where do you spent your time? Where are the geeks now?
- Roldano De Persio of FF
Roldano: I'm here and on Twitter, mostly. But the geeks have spread their usage out, and it's hard to see any one place they are coalescing. Facebook usage is definitely higher, so are things like Posterou s. But Twitter seems to be where the kinds of people I like to talk with are hanging out.
- Robert Scoble
Well I'm not moving until FF moves. It's a shame people have left or use it less. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
wow, interesting. I like Posterous, but can't see it as a replacement for FF - If anything I want to use FF more!
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Agree. I'll only move if I have to. What's changed after the FB buy-out? Nothing so far. Sure, we're not going to get any new features but I'm quite happy with what FF provides. More importantly the community is still here, all my new friends. If they ALL move somewhere else then I'll go there but they all seem to be sticking around thankfully! If the geeks are leaving then that leaves us normals then, right? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Twitter is no alternative to FF. There are some pretenders but they are no where near FF atm.
- Kol Tregaskes
FriendFeed and Posterous are totally complementary. Twitter and FF less so.
- Bruce Lewis
The growth of Posterous is most likely due to the fact that it sets itself up as a hub "pushes" content out to other services (bringing traffic back), while Friendfeed essentially pulls info in and has to build its own internal traffic (I know it can post content but most don't seem to). - That said, Friendfeed has the best social aspect of any service that I use.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Alistair, that's the best summary I have heard yet.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Posterous is a fabulous content blaster :) whereas FF is a fabulous content aggregator!
- Susan Beebe
One can argue that FF built it's traffic on aggregation of other traffic. It pulls in feeds of content on other services, while very minimally introducing new, interesting content to the web. Whereas Posterous introduces new, rich, interesting content by making it easier than ever to post. Autopost actually *reduces* how much traffic comes back to Posterous, because we allow you to post to other places. (this is just speculation. There are two sides to this game, and Posterous focuses on NEW content)
- Sachin Agarwal
Posterous and FF go perfectly together for me. I also use Google Reader, though mainly to share (I haven't given or gotten many comments there). As for Twitter (my main addiction, even more than coffee), FF has entirely replaced bit.ly for me, for one thing. I use all four together.
- Dennis Jernberg
I have to agree with Susan Beebe: I'm not sure how one could consider FF and posterous to be direct competitors, where one could fully replace the other. FF solves the problem of using the best tool for the job (blogs for writing, photo sharing sites for photos, etc) and aggregating everything into one place. Posterous solves the problem of updating different sites with the same content. Really, posterous's killer feature is the email-to-post functionality without having an account.
- Andy Bakun
@Sachin, does duplicate posting of content penalize you on Google? I have heard that it can for blogs, say.
- Steve Rubel
from email
posterous is great but still it is only a blog with features of one mail ID for post by mail...and have followers etc...but still it is only a blog...though with its features it might be among the top blogging platforms...
- ffcode
Bio-Linux 5.0 — NERC Environmental Bioinformatics Centre - http://nebc.nox.ac.uk/tools...
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"A dedicated bioinformatics workstation - install it or run it live. Bio-Linux provides more than 500 bioinformatics programs on an Ubuntu Linux base."
- Mike Chelen
from Bookmarklet
Neat idea- but how much of the 4gb USB stick remains for holding data / analyses: need a bigger stick?
- Richard Badge
from Nambu
This was one of the first (and probably best) of these distributions (think there was a BioKnoppix at one time?) It's been around at least 6 years. But a software suite is only half the battle. The biologist needs to know how to use the packages, store and interpret the output. Which is why we have bioinformaticians and IT staff. I've never been convinced that "bioinformatics on a stick" is much use to biologists compared with expert advice/support, but I may be wrong.
- Neil Saunders
Are these targeted towards biologists, or informaticians? Don't see biologists getting much use from such a distro, but do see computational types making good use
- Deepak Singh
Target market is what has always confused me. I'd assume that bioinformaticians are happy to install their own software locally and for biologists with limited tech skills, a live CD doesn't help much. But I'm happy to be proven wrong by success stories.
- Neil Saunders
I gave it to one of my students - we'll see what he has to say.
- Björn Brembs
Neil: making the software easier can help decreasing repetitive tasks, allowing more efficient use of expert advice and support, which is definitely the most valuable and scarcest resource. newcomers can often manage to boot the OS and start playing with some software, and experienced users can check if their software of choice is included, and save a little time when setting up new machines
- Mike Chelen
Deepak: looking at the package list http://nebc.nox.ac.uk/tools... some favorites of both fields stand out, for example a biologist may run a BLAST search regarding a DNA sequence they are studying, while an bioinformatist could develop applications with Bio-Java and Eclipse IDE
- Mike Chelen
Richard: data could be stored on a network drive, or a larger flash disk could be used, since there are 8, 16, and 32gb USB sticks available now pretty inexpensively. also, additional USB drives can be plugged in limited only by the number of USB ports on the machine
- Mike Chelen
Björn: cool, would love to hear how useful others find it. the software packages can also be installed in current Ubuntu systems by adding their repository http://nebc.nox.ac.uk/tools...
- Mike Chelen
Follow on question? Would a VM be equally useful? For example, I use VMs a lot to learn stuff and configure environments.
- Deepak Singh
Deepak: yes absolutely! for exactly the reasons you mention, experimentation and reliability. found a VirtualBox VDI image: http://friendfeed.com/bioinf... any more formats such as VMware or EC2 AMI would be great too :)
- Mike Chelen
there's a bunch of good EC2 AMI's that I will be highlighting either here or somewhere else soon (from familiar names), but more the merrier
- Deepak Singh
from IM
@bjorn please do get your student to feed back to NEBC, a long time ago Bio-Linux was my baby and my full time job. It's come a long way since I left it and I'm very happy to see that it's still going. It has its rough edges, and things which could be done better, but out of the box it's a well set up system ready to go. It's already been used as the base for other more focused...
more...
- Daniel Swan
@Neil with Bio-Linux I can happily say that we turned a few biologists into informaticians, and one into a programmer when I was with the team! Even last week a biologist walked into my office, asked me to help it getting up and running in VM on his laptop so that he could do some work. The Live-CD version was really just a distrubution method, we used to send out a bootable cd-rom that would netinstall a Linux image from our servers. Inefficient at best :)
- Daniel Swan
Good to hear. I remember when NEBC were setting up many years ago, Dawn contacted me regarding compilation of Phred/Phrap under Cygwin after I mentioned it on Nodalpoint. The early days of the bioinformatics social network!
- Neil Saunders
Deepak: thinking about combining the Bio-Linux packages with some of the standard Ubuntu EC2 AMIs from http://alestic.com/ since they are optimized already, and contain other common tools
- Mike Chelen
Mike, that would be brilliant. Lots of our customers ask for starting points in this space and being able to point to something that they might be familiar with would be great. Let me know when you do that. I am thinking about writing up a post on all the available bioinformatics AMI's on AWS
- Deepak Singh
Mike - you might want to talk to Tony Travis about this (ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk) he has interests in taking the Bio-Linux base in a more 'cloudy' direction, and I'm sure Dawn and Bela and co. at NEBC would be happy with any feedback along those lines.
- Daniel Swan
Deepak, getting the bio-linux packages installed can be done with a bash script http://github.com/mchelen... and maybe used with runurl http://alestic.com/2009... or to generate an AMI
- Mike Chelen
Daniel, almost all the packages install okay, are there any particular applications that would be important to test? here is how the desktop looks on ec2: http://ff.im/8fb8j
- Mike Chelen
Great idea. Anything to reduce the tedium of wget; ./configure; make; make install is welcome and helps lower the entry barrier for people into the field.
- Todd Harris
Todd: it would be nice to start an instance with the least manual input, especially when running a particular application. for example software set up to use a biology AWS dataset http://developer.amazonwebserv...
- Mike Chelen
<-- pure biologist, willing to install on top of current Ubuntu to give it a try. Agree with Todd on extra installs. I essentially only use a java-based app to chomp on big files, also Bioconductor on rare occasion. Neil's point about need for expert advice is well-taken, but I find that a biologist, willing to use a linux platform, right away gets more targeted feedback when asking for help.
- Heather
Heather: that's great, did you find it easy enough to add the repository? here's a script that can save a little time, it is only a few lines though: http://github.com/mchelen...
- Mike Chelen
The ideal way to install the repository would probably be a .deb containing the apt sources and signing key. This is used for example with Ubuntu One https://one.ubuntu.com/support... and PlayDeb http://www.playdeb.net/updates... (expand the instructions). Maybe someone could prepare this given the existing NERC repository info?
- Mike Chelen
Deepak: the Bio-Linux image from JCVI http://www.jcvi.org/cms... really looks great, anything that helps this project can benefit other researchers interested in running bioinf software on EC2. maybe a repository mirror within EC2/AWS cloud, or a public AMI, would help too?
- Mike Chelen
Mike that is a public AMI, ami id is ami-6953b200
- Deepak Singh
from IM
Deepak: found the wiki page now http://sourceforge.net/apps... thanks!
- Mike Chelen
anytime
- Deepak Singh
from IM
does this image include a desktop environment? the screenshot sort of looks like remote x. in most cases that is probably best, it could be nice to have a desktop version as well. thinking about slower internet connections, where some compression (such as freenx) is usually needed for remote desktop
- Mike Chelen
Not sure, you'll have to ask Bioinfo ... My guess is no, since I think it's built on a server image, but I could be wrong
- Deepak Singh
from IM
Deepak: that's good, been trying to find a way to get the bio-linux packages installed on 64bit instance. desktop could be handy for learning and testing
- Mike Chelen
Iceland may be the perfect place to locate a server farm. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
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Not sure don't server farms give off alot of heat? Which means Iceland would melt and be renamed as hotland? #spaceheaters
- James Robertson
That's why it's a good place for server farms. The air conditioning is free.
- Dave Winer
Re: My Mac OSX essential apps I could not live without - http://www.loiclemeur.com/english...
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"About 2 hours"
- Loic Le Meur
RobinGood: Best Infographics & Data Visualization Blogs http://bit.ly/14ANza thx 2 @featureBlend via @Iconic88 RT @mayhemstudios RT @inspiredmag - http://twitter.com/RobinGo...
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Did you not just go to sleep .. Sneaky Hmmm now how do I bounce you
- melanie couzner
Yeah, but I snuck a look at my iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
Pixar’s Brad Bird on Fostering Innovation - http://gigaom.com/2008...
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Lesson Four: Innovation Doesn’t happen in a Vacuum The Quarterly: How do you build and lead a team? Brad Bird: I got everybody in a room. This was different from what the previous guy had done
- Hutch Carpenter
Is "Social Enterprise Software" An Oxymoron? - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
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Fred Wilson on Dachis Group's formation
- Stowe Boyd
Awesome server farm @ night
ffcode, Wulffy, Jason A. Samfield and 116 other people liked this
very kool
- (jeff)isageek
Looks like a place where a geek could propose someone...
- Jemm
reminds me of a scene from Matrix 2...
- Glenn Batuyong
You can click on the image and use it as your wallpaper too (just in case you don't know)
- AJ Batac
Is Obi-Wan there, trying to shut down the tractor beam?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
'Kill the Gibson!' Heh
- Ian Dexter Marquez
Nice Ian. You know; long, long ago, my Internet handle was Crash Override, in honor of that movie.
- Curtiss Grymala
No 2001 jokes? C'mon, people.
- Andrew C
Nice!
- Anand Sharma
Like the Matrix scene :)
- `aziz´ Alihan ÇETİN
it is like the matrix ....
- johnpiercy
Very pretty.
- Jason Nunnelley
So where did the picture come from?
- Kamilah Gill
I feel a new sketch book drawing coming on ^^^ :D
- Micah Wittman
Kamilah, somewhere here http://www.socwall.com/. My current wallpaper.
- AJ Batac
Am I *that* transparent? :P :) That is a really cool image. I'll give it away... Micah guessed right. I had to use a new technique (new to the sketchbooks, anyway) to capture this image...
- Kamilah Gill
How about a CC (or other copyleft) license so we can use and cite this in presentations?
- Chris Lasher
I guess we now know where some of the Matrix style came from in real life, eh? @Curtiss: That old handle of yours sounds so cyberpunk that I'll probably have to use it as the title of a cyberpunk novel... ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
I want one:)
- Michael Fidler
for me at first glace it looked like the MCP from maybe Tron 2
- Shawn McCollum
It looks like the birthplace of Skynet.
- TrafficBug
@Dennis - In case you weren't aware, the handle Crash Override is from the movie Hackers with Jonny Lee Miller, Matthew Lillard and Angelina Jolie (with Fisher Stevens as the evil corporate hacker and Penn Jillette in a small role as his assistant). Although much of it was ridiculous from a technology perspective, it was still a really fun movie with a fantastic soundtrack (the soundtrack itself actually has two sequels).
- Curtiss Grymala
@Curtiss Grymala - Hackers! great movie! the "Rainbow Books" HA!
- shayne catrett
The Nobel Peace Prize for Obama is a signal to him, a very large signal, to keep doing what he's doing. It's not an achievement award.
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If I could like this a million times, I would.
- Mark Trapp
Is this something of a change for the Nobel Peace Prize? Usually it's more after-the-fact, isn't it?
- Hutch Carpenter
It's not uncommon. One notable and fairly recent example people are mentioning is Nelson Mandela, who won the Prize before apartheid ended. The Prize committee itself pointed out Gorbachev, who won the Prize as sitting head of the USSR for his work in trying to solve the problems there before it actually occurred.
- Mark Trapp
Keep doing what he's doing? Making the economy worse and being favored among dictators?
- Spencer
Well yes Spencer, I think that's it...
- Hutch Carpenter
shedskin - An experimental (restricted) Python-to-C++ compiler - http://code.google.com/p...
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"Shed Skin is an experimental compiler, that can translate pure, but implicitly statically typed Python programs into optimized C++. It can generate stand-alone programs or extension modules that can be imported and used from larger Python programs. Besides the typing restriction, programs cannot freely use the Python standard library (although about 17 common modules, such as random and re, are currently supported). Also, not all Python features, such as nested functions and variable numbers of arguments, are supported. For a set of 40 non-trivial test programs (at over 12,000 lines in total; see the shedskin-examples-0.2.tgz download), measurements show a typical speedup of 2-40 times over Psyco, and 2-220 times over CPython. Because Shed Skin is still in an early stage of development, however, many other programs will not compile out-of-the-box."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I can't think why you would ever need this.
- Brian Sullivan
I think the 2-220x speedup might be nice at times. It may also be easier to integrate with other c++ code.
- Paul Buchheit
But then, if it's that bad, why would anyone use Python anyway?
- Enver ALTIN
Because you get a 2-220x speedup in writing and maintaining the code.
- Paul Buchheit
Neat.
- Scott Ludwig
from iPhone
It would be nice to be able to write some fast routines (i.e. tight loops, etc) without having to drop into C.
- Gabe
I like Paul's reply about writing faster. Another nice thing about python is that you can write parts of your code in C if you want to. Most programs only have a couple functions that really slow things down. What do you mean by "tight loop" Gabe?
- Robert Felty
Rob: Here's one definition of a tight loop: "A loop of code that executes without releasing any resources to other programs or the operating system."
- Gabe
So are you saying that tight loops do not exist in python? Does python allocate additional memory simply to increment a counter?
- Robert Felty
Rob, you can certainly write tight loops in Python, but they're usually orders of magnitude slower than if they were written in C.
- Gabe
Does that really work?
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
googleos: Google Cloudboard: Google tests a service called Cloudboard, an online clipboard that should make it easy to co.. http://bit.ly/ewyuF - http://twitter.com/googleo...
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I should really write up the clipboard function I wrote for Grazr. It's a pretty neat concept that could be applied to the wider web.
- mikepk
This is gonna be awesome. I just wish Google would tie more of their services together like this. Interopability would be killer.
- Micheal Weihrouch
what happened to the notebook?
- testbeta
Notebook was abandoned. They're not doing new signups for it, but they're still letting old users have access.
- marziah
California housing prices still on downward slope. I paid more than $900 k for our house. Now similar house down the block selling for $542k
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@scobleizer yes, it takes some time for consumer prices to recover. According to the data I'm seeing, we're technically out of a recession now, but far from a return to a boom.
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Depends on the area w/in California. We live in a nice "bubble" area that has already regained most of the values that were lost over the past 3 years. However, the home we sold 4 yrs ago (to buy our new one) is about $200k less than what we sold it for. Luck of the draw or good insight into a particular neighborhood.
- Michael Sheehan
Michael: I have to get a look inside, too. One house that sold at auction for $650,000 had significant water damage and needed about $200k of work. So might not be as bad as it looks, but there definitely is downward pressure. Interesting enough, though, Palo Alto is remaining close to its high price.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer some areas are more downturn-prone than others
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Robert: The area that I am now in has a huge push to improve current properties through add-ons and updates, so it is pushing the values up. However, because of the new appraiser laws, homes in general are not getting as good of a value because the appraisers are no longer allowed to be "locals" who know the neighborhood. It's almost criminal and in the end, hurts the homeowner.
- Michael Sheehan
Liking the honesty there! Thats one heck of a slide. Give it time for the bounce back history says it will come
- Bryn Morgan
yikes.
- Thomas Hawk
Maybe I'll take a look at some of the houses in your neighborhood while I'm out there ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Speaking of home values, I used to rely on values displayed by zillow.com. However, upon talking to a real-estate agent about our house (which zillow says is worth 674k), I found out that zillow is way too optimistic about home values. CyberHomes seems to somewhat closer to reality. Anyone out there who knows/has a better web service that one can use for this purpose?
- Anand Sharma
Anand, not sure about their value estimates, but Trulia is a pretty good real estate site. Robert, HMB is probably not as resilient as Palo Alto because it's a little more rural (relatively) and homeowners who work have to commute. Gas prices went up so that hurts the commuter. Santa Cruz, which I would have thought would be mostly immune, has taken a similar hit in home values.
- Laura Norvig
Yikes!
- polou/indigo_bow
Damn. Don't worry though, they will go back up.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Same in Florida
- orionstarr
from iPhone
Trulia does seem to have more accurate estimates.
- Cristo
Move here to Fairbanks, Alaska Robert, our economy is still strong, unemployment numbers are pretty good and we can set you up in a killer house for half what you paid! ...bit of a weather change for you though.
- Inside Alaska
Well, I do get the consolation prize for my lost $200k: I get to live in Half Moon Bay. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Roller Coaster Real Estate is a problem in california i guess. Hope it recovers.
- Matt Ellsworth
Where did all the realtors go that said prices never go down?
- Cristo
I am looking for a house in this area, can you share the address of the one that is for sale?
- Nick Bert
Nick: it's on Pinehurst Lane, Half Moon Bay, CA 94019. I think it was #19. Be careful though, some of the houses on this street have water damage due to poor drainage.
- Robert Scoble
Properties in San Jose are going up right now...at least near Santana Row where a certain Domo hatin' lamer lives.
- Alex Scoble
Santana Row is a posh place. Hence the value. Now go to East San Jose and take a look at the costs. They are still firm in price, but are slowly dropping.
- CW™
I don't know if I agree that they are *still* dropping. I think they dropped and are now holding firm at the deflated price. There are still a lot of foreclosures cropping up, though, and that may continue to shake the market slightly downward.
- Laura Norvig
The higher priced homes/areas haven't started dropping as much because the Alt-A / Option-ARM resets haven't hit yet. The bay area has one of the highest percentages of these alternative loans, and they ramp up resetting over the next year. The Option-ARMs are particularly scary because they enabled paying less than the interest payment, which analysts say 94% of homeowners with Option-ARMs chose to do. Their mortgage rates will jump drastically regardless of the going mortgage rate when the reset occurs.
- Cristo
Here's some background info: http://friendfeed.com/cristob...
- Cristo
A problem is California is losing population at a rate it may lose a house seat in a few years. Cal housing bubbled when people were moving there in droves. Now that people are leaving its going to put pressure on the market as a whole though YMMV in different neighborhoods. Florida is also losing population for the first time in nearly a century(excluding the world wars)
- Ed Millard
I wonder what states the folks moving out of California and Florida are moving to.
- Laura Norvig
An Orange County paper gathered stats from United Van Lines and the two leading destinations from that county were Texas and Washington, elsewhere in California third, then Oregon and Ohio. A lot of people were moving to Nevada though its kind of on the skids now that the bubble burst in Vegas too.
- Ed Millard
Learning without thought is labor lost ~ Confuciu #quote - http://twitter.com/deanora...
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Fascinating look at how US shopping patterns peaked long before the stock market peak. http://www.nytimes.com/interac...
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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package... for the graphic only
- Chris Heath
iPhone VoIP To Run On AT&T: Will Allow Google Voice, Skype On 3G Network - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
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