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Quick, the zombies are coming. Pick your weapon!
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InsaneNinja, Bernie Goldbach, Ron Bailey and 25 other people liked this
Katana please.
- Alex Scoble
Chainsaw...it's personal
- Mo Kargas
Oops, I meant to put a picture of a katana in there too. Good choice.
- Joe Pierce
Wooden spoon?
- Vicky
What, no hand grenades?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
My choice originally was going to be the trident, but I think I'm changing it now. My weapon shall be Danny Trejo. Good call Mark. Tina, any weapon you like. These are merely suggestions.
- Joe Pierce
Oh, OK. Then I chose Alice.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Once again I made a hasty choice. Now while I'm holed up in a safehouse with Danny Trejo I'll be wishing I had thought of Mila instead and when I die in Danny's arms I'll be sad and a tear will roll out of my eye just before the end... Mark, you pinpointed exactly where my trident love comes from and you made me laugh out loud like an idiot causing questioning looks in my immediate area.
- Joe Pierce
Ah ha, but what happens when the ammo runs out? Mo, same for you with the gas?
- Joe Pierce
@Joe - in the same vein, most swords (and yes, I do include super awesome Japanese steel) are unfit for use after just one decapitation /attempt/ unless you are very, very good. Then, they still need to be sharpened very soon, by someone who knows what they're doing.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Zombies are pretty stupid - so I'd confuse them with my wooden spoon and have just enough time to run away.
- Vicky
I'll just use my two legs. Thankyouverymuch.
- Mona Nomura
Shotgun of course
- Alan Le
Jennifer, we the weakened condition of the flesh and bone of your average zombie would soften those numbers a bit. I bet you could get 3 to 4 heads off before you need to resharpen. Lindsey, touché, Vicky, that could work!
- Joe Pierce
I'm not great with blood :(
- Vicky
Mark knows his stuff, If I catch wind of impending zombie action I'm headed up to Canada between the two of us I think we could save some lives. Mona, head north we got your back!
- Joe Pierce
Nerf and socks. Didn't you know that:-) ?
- Brandon Mendelson
and my screenplay is back on! Actual zombie attack takes place during a game of Humans Vs. Zombies.
- Joe Pierce
I'm just happy I'm not the only one who knows about H v. Z
- Brandon Mendelson
I had no idea until the wiki page.
- Joe Pierce
I'm going with a Katana too.
- Alejandro
Nuke them from space. It's the only way to be sure.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Oh sure Mark, then you find out that your space station contains the frozen remains of Jason Voorhees. And that opens up a whole new can of worms.
- Joe Pierce
Boomstick...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Well, Joe, there is that problem of course.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I really need to see Jason X before that happens so I know what my odds are going to be.
- Joe Pierce
Slow zombies or fast zombies? Big difference.
- Ken Sheppardson
Duh. I'll just enable the 'all weapons' cheat code ;)
- Yuvi
It's real life, there are no cheat codes in real life. And as it is real life, and death is an affliction not a superpower the zombies are slow.
- Joe Pierce
Key is something without ammo, and can take them down fast. I think my vote is for Katana as well. Or maybe the A-team like van they put together in the Dawn of the Dead remake. 70's van with steel plates, ports for flame throwers / guns, front grill mounted chainsaw like things to clear the way. yeah, that's the ticket. :)
- mikepk
Lincoln's Repeater
- Rodfather
Actually I think I was wrong, I think they welded steel plates to a bus of some kind, haven't seen in it in a while. Same idea though.
- mikepk
Joe, but there's the 28-days-later like zombies. Not technically the living dead, though, just mindless animal-like murderers.
- mikepk
Mike, those are more infecteds, not zombies. Zombies are the living dead brought back by unknown means. But dead and decaying which means lumbering, slow, and Hungry.
- Joe Pierce
BFG 9000
- Rodfather
Bio Force Gun 9000?
- Joe Pierce
spartan laser
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Your rules. :) So with slow zombies, I still think a sword or other no-ammo weapon is ideal.
- mikepk
Fine. Guided missile frigate it is then
- Mo Kargas
LASER CAT
- Rodfather
I think Rodather just won.
- Joe Pierce
Shiva gun
- Bwana ☠
Shotgun + grenades for me :) \o/
- TiTi
dibs on the airsoft gun.
- Hao Chen
High powered sniper rifle, 3 hk usp40 with silencer, 1 crowbar, 1 machete, 5 packs of ammo, maps, water purification tablets, 3 first aid kits, 2 gas masks, 10 refills for gas masks, 6 grenades, 2 change of clothes, 2 cb radios. I think that's about what I have in my zombie survival pack, but out of the choices above, I'd go with the chain saw XD
- Tsali, The Native of FF
Definately Shotgun + Grenades.
- Alfredo
David Bowie's codpiece.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
If you want Bowie's codpiece, you gotta take Bowie. We can't have him running around nekkid. We go zombie's to fight.
- Joe Pierce
Speak for yourself, Joe. Some of us might be AOK with Bowie running around nekkid.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm thinking of David too you know. These are zombies we are talking about. It could get bitten off.
- Joe Pierce
CHAINSAW
- mjc
I have a few questions before I pick. How much ammo does the shotgun come with? How long is the bat? How much run time does the chainsaw have until a refill is needed? And exactly how many Molotov Cocktails do I get, just one?
- Christian (Simply X)
thats the rub, no idea on the ammo for the guns or gas for the chainsaws. Whatever is left in them from their last use. The bat is your standard cricket bat sized. One cocktail.
- Joe Pierce
I'm still sticking with Alice.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Face recognition in iPhoto '09 - ok, how does it compare to Picasaweb? Who's the winner?
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That´s great because the only reason I didn´t go full on with just flickr is the face detection in picasaweb. Now I can go back to iphoto 09 and flickr (don´t know about mobileme....)
- Thomas Bøhm
Spidra: It´s actually quite cool. You get auto-tagging of names based on face-detection. You can filter out all the pictures your mother-in-law is in for example..
- Thomas Bøhm
Lots and lots of digital cameras have included face detection for some time now. They use it to figure out where to focus for snapshots. This is obviously a completely different application, but my point was: face detection has long been used for things other than security applications.
- James (@willia4)
Even if I haven't tested iPhoto '09 I think the Picasaweb face detection will remain my choice. At least until Flickr offer such utility.
- Håkan Dahlström
Face detection or not, I wasn't impressed with Picasa for Mac. Functionality is OK but the GUI was very non-standard. Hope they fix that.
- Jan Erik Moström
from IM
I assume you won´t need face-detection in the web gallery anymore because you can face detect/auto-tag-name-by-face in iphoto 09 on your desktop and then export them to flickr with the tags...
- Thomas Bøhm
It's very Google-standard to me. Or like the lack of Google standards.
- Håkan Dahlström
:) I don't know if I find it cute or irritating that Google can't keep the same "menu bar" in all their web apps
- Jan Erik Moström
from IM
I´m very strict about the consistency of the UIs of my apps on OS X. Before, on windows, I liked the Picasa UI, but that´s because on windows all apps are skinned differently like crazy anyway.
- Thomas Bøhm
face detection doesn't work yet.
- Thomas Hawk
how about just better file management within iPhoto. Can't import, can't export, its not the right way, its not the duplicate folder its the originals folder etc. Its a great app if you don't do anything like upgrade your hard drive or move photos or anything thats not strictly prescribed by the App itself. It gets a 3 out of 5 starts until it acts more user-friendly.
- Roger Kondrat
Or use Aperture
- Jan Erik Moström
from IM
iPhoto and Aperture doesn't target the same audience. ;-) I like iPhoto. Manage my iPhone photos in it. Great for the easy tasks. Then I put the photos online on Flickr and Zooomr (and Picasaweb).
- Håkan Dahlström
I know. But Picasa has some feature that are similar to Aperture. Played with face recognition for the first time ... especially interesting with photos of my twin sisters :)
- Jan Erik Moström
Twin-sisters could be confusing even for humans. ;-)
- Håkan Dahlström
My wife claims that she can't tell them apart ... after 15 years. I have no problems :)
- Jan Erik Moström
from IM
this is more important than face detection. this is face RECOGNITION. meaning it will present you with a group of images of the same person, asking you to confirm "we think all these faces are your daughter sarah, yes/no?"
- InsaneNinja
@InsaneNinja You're right. That's what I meant. Face recognition. Wish that english was my native language... :-(
- Håkan Dahlström
Neither iPhoto nor Picasa are likely to become my main image post processing application. I've been going from iPhoto to Aperture and then moved to Lightroom. Both Aperture and Lightroom fit my needs so much better.
- Rutger Blom
The periodic table of awesoments - http://www.eatliver.com/i...
JECO Photo, Andrew Smith, InsaneNinja and 22 other people liked this
B is for bacon!
- Mona Nomura
And it's the primary element in all awesomeness. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
b is for bacon, that's good enough for me. bacon bacon bacon starts with b!
- Jim Addz No Value
I see Sx and My both have short half-lives.
- Bob O'Hara
Yes, this chart is far too accurate.
- Steven Perez
No awesomesauce!
- Bora Zivkovic
It's one of those undiscovered elements in the heavy elements. That makes FriendFeeders science heroes!
- Steven Perez
Top 10 Tips for Getting Attention on Flickr, All Fresh and New for 2008 - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
Alex Williams, Dennis Goedegebuure, Benjamin Golub and 112 other people liked this
Good article. I guess you've got to work smart to get noticed on Flickr.
- Adam Christie
Very good advice, Thomas. A comment on no. 6 ("Groups"): I remember Flickr staff mentioning that not only photos that are in too many groups (more than 10-15, as a rule of thumb) get penalties for their Explore rating. Allegedly, this is also true for photos that are in the *wrong* groups, specifically the ubiquitous "post 1, comment x" groups. So not all photo critique groups might be good when you want to get your pictures into Explore.
- Ole Begemann
Ole, I hadn't heard that certain groups penalized photos but have seen Flickr staff in the past mention that posting your photo to too many groups will reduce it's visibility with their algorithm.
- Thomas Hawk
Re: no. 5 ("Explore"): more criteria that seem to influence whether a photo makes it to Explore: the presence of EXIF data, geotags, title, description has a positive influence; faves and comments from people who are not among your contacts seem to count more than from contacts; faves and comments from popular photographers count more than those from nobodys; a photo that gets 2 or 3 faves within minutes after uploading is more likely to make Explore than one that gets faved 15 times within 24 hours.
- Ole Begemann
Thomas, I'll try to find a reference for this.
- Ole Begemann
Good point on EXIF data Ole, yes, photos in Explore are required to have EXIF data. My own guess as to why this is is that if a photo has EXIF data it is more likely to be your own photo vs. something you simply ripped from the web. Not foolproof of course but I'd guess that this policy is in part due to a desire to increase the authenticity of the photos promoted on Explore.
- Thomas Hawk
If you look at the photos in Explore, the only "Leave a comment" groups that I see with any regularity are TWTME and 1-2-3 groups... what makes them special I'm not sure, other than they're amongst the largest groups in general. But you see very few of those award groups or "leave x comments" groups in the photos in Explore, so I suspect that Flickr must be penalizing them.
- Eric P
Thomas, that's a great refresher on the original article. Some great tips.
- Tom Quinn
And Thomas, throwing reciprocation in as a "bonus"? It should have been #1 or #2. The vast, vast, vast majority of comments and faves that I receive are from people whose stream I previously visited. The only real exception to that is when a photo is high in Explore, which results in a torrent of views/comments/faves from strangers.
- Eric P
Yep Eric. Reciprocation is very high. Bonus tip might not be the best place for it. It's very important. Faving back when people fave your work, commenting back. Adding people back as mutual contacts, etc. All encourage activity on your photostream.
- Thomas Hawk
Eric, participation groups don't penalize your photo from Explore best I can tell. This photo http://www.flickr.com/photos... from a few weeks ago was in the Deleteme Uncensored critique group and was #3 on Explore as well.
- Thomas Hawk
In fact just searching flickr for the save10 tag from the DMU critique group along with "explore" brings up a number of photos: http://www.flickr.com/search...
- Thomas Hawk
Good post, *IF* getting attention is important to you, as opposed to using it as a vehicle to just share photos with people
- Eric Rice
After I read your original article on Flickr popularity a while back, I began reciprocating every comment received. That worked very well.
- Tom Harrison
Eric, true. Some people have no interest in their photos receiving attention. I do think that the majority of people posting on Flickr though do appreciate when their photos receive some attention. Lots of people do not though. I have friends that only publish private photos that their friends can see and opt out of every public aspect of Flickr. I think these people though are the exception rather than the norm and think that Caterina's quote is pretty typical of the most active users on the site.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks for digging my article Aaron! :) http://digg.com/arts_cu...
- Thomas Hawk
Alright, I found something. Flickr staff member acknowledged almost 2 years ago that "groups that force people to comment/fave on certain photos with no choice" do in fact hurt your Explore chances. Also, "weight of comments and favorites from contacts is quite low in interestingness calculation." (http://www.flickr.com/groups...). A very old post and the algorithm has changed since then but we can probably say that the gist of it is still true.
- Ole Begemann
interesting Ole. I hadn't seen that. I think it would be difficult for Flickr to manually track every group that encourages tags and comments as participation. Per the links above though, photos in DMU have definitely made it into Explore anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, I have no idea how they maintain a list of the "bad" groups. Further below, SilentObserver mentions his business is writing algorithms to filter them out automatically, though.
- Ole Begemann
Here's another good summary of nearly everything the community knows about the Explore algorithm: http://www.flickr.com/groups...
- Ole Begemann
Here is an example of tagging. I did not know this woman was a celebrity until after got this shot. It appears on the first page of the image search engines and it has received over 12,000 views. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
So far I got 3 (!) photos into explore. Their common factor? They all were faved by you (TH) soon after I posted theim.
- Guillaume Lemoine
Flickr used to say "who" faves your shots was a part of the Explore algorithm. It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm weights faves by different people from the Flickr community differently. For instance, Pro accounts where people actually have paid for the service might be weighted higher than non-Pro accounts. More active users might carry more weight with their faves then less active users. Just speculating on this part.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - I don't think that participation in all groups gets a penalty, just that there are some groups that are penalized as far as Explore is concerned. I simply don't see Explore photos in "Post 1, Comment X" groups - so either there's no explore-worthy photos in those groups (not likely IMHO), or Flickr is penalizing the photos in those groups.
- Eric P
such a great post Thomas, thanks for writing it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
As a note to certain groups penalizing your photos...I had a photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos...) that went to explore spot 150 or so. After, I added it to a few groups to see if I could bump it higher. It had the opposite affect and immediately dropped off. I can't say which group exactly did it or if it was the number of groups I submitted to, but adding to groups definitely does come with some sort of penalty.
- Justin Korn
If you use FeedBurner, you can splice your Flickr photos into your blog feed. I have it splice my last two photos and I find those have at least 5x the number of views as the ones that aren't in my spliced feed.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Awesome post Thomas. I signed up for Flickr a couple of years ago, but only started using it more regularly after the purchase of a digital SLR camera - so this post is particularly relevant to me. I am still patiently waiting for that first comment/favourite on one of my photos to truly experience the emotions as described by Caterina Fake.
- Jeff Smith
Thanks for this post, Thomas. Great tips!
- Eric Johnson
Great article Thomas... I was also wondering about what my friend calls 'Shooting for the 75'. That is, a great majority of people only ever see a 75 x 75px thumbnail of your photo. When he processes, he always does a square crop to test how it looks in the frame. Would you like to see proportional thumbnails as an option?
- Johnny Worthington
I actually really like the square thumbnails. Heck I really like the square crop period. I think I'm cropping more and more of my photos 4x4 these days. Maybe it's just that I've always loved medium format photography so much, not sure why I'm so drawn to the square crop right now though. I much prefer Flickr's square thumbnails actually. Still would love to see larger sizes on FF like SmugMug's thumbnails.
- Thomas Hawk
you're right though. Frequently it's the thumbnail that draws people into a photo. A good looking thumbnail is more likely to be selected by viewers for clicking through to full size viewing, commenting, faving, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
One of my very first Flickr experiences was someone in a critique group cutting me down for a square crop. It was a rose in a perfect spiral petal pattern, could only be cropped square as far as I was concerned. LOL...I didn't change it either.
- Karoli
Haha, that's funny Karoli. so much of the criticism in critique groups on Flickr is so lame. You should have seen the deleteme critique group ravage a Henry Cartier Bresson photograph who is probably considered by most photo historians as the greatest photographer who ever lived. Read some of these comments on this photo for a laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I used to work to get photos into explore. I think I probably take better pictures now, but I don't have the time at the moment to put in the work. Lots of community building and commenting went into the mix. I confess, there's a real rush to hitting the front page. I had three in the top 10, and it was a lot of fun.
- Karoli
I have been doing a lot of panoramic shots over the past year and I have started to play around with vertical cropping. Taking a portrait photo and cropping a really tight vertical crop: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It's all about how the picture looks to you in the end. Square, circle or hexagon, it's about the sensory reaction :) (and now I'm going to square crop for this week just to try it out, thanks guys)
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas, those comments are a hoot! I met some nice people in some of the critique groups, but it didn't take me long to know the critiques weren't helping. I do love Flickr's community...even if I haven't spent a lot of time in it lately.
- Karoli
yeah, the attention from Explore can be fun. But I'm pretty unimpressed with a lot of the photos there. I think Flickr could do a much better job with that algorithm. I do find filtering explore just by my contacts though produces more consistently interesting photographs for me. I use this script to do just that: http://www.drewmyersphoto.net/flickr_...
- Thomas Hawk
Agree on the photo quality on Explore. Seems like a lot of the same sort of gimmicky stuff lands there. Looking forward to trying the script.
- Karoli
Thanks for the article, that opened my eyes up a lot
- Alex Carpenter
Hey Karoli, here's you and your daughter by the way. I uploaded this to Zooomr a while back when I was taking a break from Flickr but uploaded it tonight on Flickr. Great fun on that photowalk. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
Hey, cool! Thanks for the pointer. It was a great photowalk, would love to do another sometime soon!
- Karoli
Here is one more way to get attention: Comment on this post with a link to one of your photos. I received a hit today from the comment about. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
Good stuff. Worked for me: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Demetri Mouratis
Changing some settings in about:config to make Firefox 3.1 Beta 1 ctrl-tab behavior less annoying. I don't like the new tab switcher.
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It's not in.
- Photonic
hahahhahahahhaha!!!
- Mona Nomura
it's not funny!
- Caroline
Caroline, your comment makes it a hole(sic) lot funnier!
- Toby Graham
:P
- Caroline
stop liking it u meanies! all of you shame on you!
- Caroline
omg, I wonder when the minority protection crowd would be here to shout in protest this picture :)
- A.T.
grr
- Caroline
@caroline: excuse me, why does it make you so upset?
- Utna
lol cuz it hurts REALLY BAD
- Caroline
Heh, liking it all the more thanks to @caroline ;-)
- David Adam
Bad man! Bad!
- Caroline
:-) it's a matter of mechanical tolerance, dimensional interference and fluid film lubrication.
- Utna
ditto @David.. <3 Caroline :D
- Kim
You guys are out of control!!
- Mona Nomura
8-0
- Iain Baker
It's the mechanical tolerance that too few take into account, Utna...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Is is possible the comments are funnier than the image?
- Toby Graham
Can I re-like for the comments please ?
- Juan Pablo González
One from Utna is the funniest till now!
- Sameer Panchangam
Peripheral porn terminology is all sorts of WRONG!
- Mona Nomura
Yeah, in the real world, you CAN plug two males together.
- Slappy Line
"Honey, is that your input port?" "No, it's output only. Ouch."
- Slappy Line
I've got a funny comment, but I'd be beaten after saying it... *hides*
- Chrimmus Tad
Someone distract Lindsay for a while, Tad wants to say something rude, lol
- Slappy Line
Hey Lindsay! Look over here!
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Okay Tad, you're clear - go for it! :-D
- Slappy Line
when there is a hole around, there is always a wrong!
- tunç kılınç
"Может быть, мы сразу друг друга поймём - Видит Бог, у нас один и тот же разъём." -- БГ
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
Heard that one before... 8-0 D'Oh
- Sergio Cruz
Wrong hole! Except when it's not.
- Chrimmus Tad
+ Utna... classic.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I would say, thanks for sharing Mona, but I suppose that would be counter to your illustration ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
okay, this is really funny. my husband's putting our faucet in the sink and i just yelled at him, 'OMG, you put it in the wrong hole!" and he said, 'How was i supposed to know? It's dark and it's not like there's instructions down there!". and then we realized the windows are wide open.
- Admiral Anika
M + F = ELECTRIC
- Pete Delucchi
Thomas Hawk can Climb! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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In order to get into this abandoned building at Hunters Point, Thomas Hawk and I had to build a ladder of sorts to get up to the second story. It was the only way in or out of the building. Thomas has posted a few great shots of me silhouetted in the hallways from the outing.
- Justin Korn
from Bookmarklet
haha, good times.
- Thomas Hawk
Looks like fun!
- Brandon Titus
The 10 Best Things About the New Adobe Lightroom 2.0 - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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Not sure if I want to upgrade right away or not. Love the selective processing feature, that's probably worth it alone. How is the healing brush and cropping different from the previous version? Seems to be the same to me.
- Andre Maltais
Thomas Hawk was RAVING about Lightroom 2.0 to me. Can't wait to see what he does with it.
- Robert Scoble
okay, time to take another look at Lightroom.
- Chuq Von Rospach
Thanks Thomas!
- jcunwired
Thomas, great writeup. Looking forward to hearing your comments once you've been using LR for a little while. Glad to hear you converted finally! I've been using LR for about 2 years and can't imagine going back to the old way. You will find many more great features as you continue to use it. One of my favorites is the ability to sync settings selectively between two or more photos. Streamlines editing if you have a bunch of shots all done in the same light or with similar exposure.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I've been using Lightroom exclusively for my RAW processing for a year now and am excited to move up to the upgrade. Mainly for localized settings. The healing brush has been in earlier releases, FYI.
- Jeremy Hall
I use Lightroom since v1.0 right from the start and today switched from 1.4 to 2.0 after using 2.0 Beta already and desperately waiting for the release. Just love it. It is a dream. I just hope that the departure of Mark Hamburg from Adobe does not do any harm to further development of the product.
- Ulrich Hilger
My old processing workflow involved using Adobe's Camera RAW in Bridge to do 95% of my work and then a remaining 5% or so in Photoshop to do spot healing, sharpening, burning and dodging etc. Now I can do all of this within Lightroom without every having to go to Photoshop. The keywording enhancements and *especially* the spot RAW processing will significantly improve my workflow.
- Thomas Hawk
Jauder, I did not notice any appreciable speed improvements with this version of Lightroom. That said, this is the first version to support 64 bit processing and I think that if you have a 64 bit system that this should represent a big jump in performance.
- Thomas Hawk
Great writeup. I've still been using the included Canon software for RAW image processing that came with my DSLR, but was considering a new tool. Looks like plenty of good reasons to look at Lightroom!
- Kevin C. Tofel
I'm particularly interested in custom color profiles, which has been a problem that I have not been able to resolve. Shades of red, pink and lavender have never been accurate.
- jcunwired
Jody, I haven't tried out the custom color profile for the Canon 5D yet, but I did like the colors that I got better natively from Adobe on this upgrade.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm an Aperture user at the moment, but I'm really looking forward to the inevitable Aperture 2 v. Lightroom 2 comparisons. If only because I'm always looking for an excuse to play with new toys.
- James (@willia4)
Non-destructive local adjustments and gradient filters are REALLY cool. NAPP video learning centre here http://www.photoshopuser.com/lightro...
- Andrew Smith
It kind of irks me this product is not included in Photoshop CS3 Extended or any of their Creative Suites. Not even Master Collection.
- Andrew Smith
Thomas, Going from a 32 to a 64 bit application will have little or no impact on the speed of the application. It only allows the application to address more memory. Going to an application that can use multiple processors would show a significant speed improvement. I do not believe Lightroom was written to support multi processors.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Lightroom is very tempting, but I'm not sure I can justify the premium over ACR (which comes as part of the $89 Photoshop Elements)
- Andy Roth
good point Jeff. I haven't done any work with 64 bit processors yet but I know that sometimes when my photo processing gets bogged down it's because I've got too many apps open at once. I'd assume with more memory you'd get less of this sort of behavior. Potentially.
- Thomas Hawk
I used to use PhotoShop all the time. When LR2.0 Beta came out I decided to give it a try and have never looked back. It is by far the best processing tool I have used for images. It has improved my workflow tenfold. The presets are great, the healing and cloning brushes work well and the vignette control is fantastic. I find the speed to be pretty good. I can't wait to purchase this. I am happy to pay the price for this software.
- Tom Quinn
Jeff is incorrect. 64-bit CPU processing can have an impact on performance. And it has nothing to do with multiple processors. Lots of variables, but it can impact performance -- though he's correct in that it may not matter in the case of Lightroom.
- Peter Kirn
from twhirl
Let me just add one comment - Adobe Online store sucks big time. I live in Bermuda, which does not have an Adobe Online store, so I tried purchasing from Adobe US Store. No dice unless I have a US Billing address. Get this - I have to call a *toll number* and try to purchase that way. I can order stuff from Amazon with a Bermuda billing address without issues. Adobe needs to wake up to global e-commerce...
- Tom Quinn
@Peter you are correct that a 64 bit OS can have a positive impact on performance compared to a 32 bit version, but in real life application, the performance improvement is fairly small. Here are two articles, one PC and one Mac oriented that discuss the variables and show some test data. http://www.smartcomputing.com/editori... http://www.geekpatrol.ca/2006...
- Jeff P. Henderson
Oh, so I call the number and it is no longer in service. So I call customer service and they cannot take my order, and can't tell me how to get it from Adobe (due to shipping contracts, even though I only want the download). Eventually they tell me to order from CDW, which is a joke because it does not sell LR2 yet.
- Tom Quinn
Would this app be good for a photo noob like me or should I stick with gimp or something like photo elements?
- Dylan McIntosh
from fftogo
I wish work and sleep would stop getting in my way so I can play with LR2. :(
- Squid
Two words: adjustment brush. *genuflects*
- cecily
OK, this goes on the shopping list. Wow.
- Chris Baskind
Dylan, Adobe let's you download any of their fully functional applications to try out for 30 days free. Why not try it out to see if you like it. If you do, all you do is pay on their web site for a software key and keep using it. If not you can uninstall it after the 30 days are up. Depends on your work flow, but it seems like if you are using Gimp or Photoshop now, Lightroom might just work for you also.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Squid, I hear you! I'm trying to catch up on all of the LR2 articles and watch the Kelby videos to learn how to best use the new features. I uninstalled my beta copy of 2.0 but haven't had time to install the 2.0 upgrade that I bought last night. Still have 1.4.1 installed.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Good writeup, Thomas. Some of the features you mention have been in Lightroom since the beginning (Healing Brush and Crop/Rotate tool) but if you're coming from Camera Raw they're new.
- Ole Begemann
One bad thing about Lightroom: US price = $ 299.00 (€192.048), EU price = € 298.80??!... I know this ain't an exclusive of Adobe but someone's earning a few bucks with this "bogus exchange rate", because its not like my copy is shipped directly from the US...
- João Almeida
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Share: What are your favorite Photography based blogs out there? (Author - Link)
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Thomas Hawk - http://www.thomashawk.com
- Justin Korn
Matt Kloskowski - http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/
- Justin Korn
The Big Picture http://www.boston.com/bigpict...
- Alan Le
Stuck in Customs http://stuckincustoms.com/
- Alan Le
David Hobby - http://www.strobist.blogspot.com/ (a bit obvious I guess)
- Janek Mann
Janek: I'm looking for the obvious and not so obvious. Also blogs that overlap with other topics are okay as well...
- Justin Korn
Darren Rowse - http://digital-photography-school.com/blog
- Justin Korn
David Ziser - http://digitalprotalk.blogspot.com/
- Justin Korn
Michael Calanan - http://calanan.com/
- Jason Carreira
Ross Williams - http://flickr.com/photos...
- Jason Carreira
Heading East: http://www.mexicanpictures.com/heading...
- edythe
Shorpy: http://www.shorpy.com/
- edythe
[daily dose of imagery] http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/
- edythe
Hungry Hedonist: http://hungryhedonist.blogspot.com/
- clarke thomas
The Click http://theclick.us/
- Thomas Hawk
Digital Photography School http://digital-photography-school.com/blog...
- Thomas Hawk
Ryan Brenizer http://www.amazon.com/gp...
- Thomas Hawk
Rob Haggart http://aphotoeditor.com/
- Thomas Hawk
I just flickr search... does that count?
- Mona Nomura
Chris Nixon http://photografr.com/
- Thomas Hawk
Trevor Carpenter http://www.photowalking.org/
- Thomas Hawk
Carlos Miller http://carlosmiller.com/
- Thomas Hawk
Maybe it's just me but I have trouble finding photography blogs that stick for me, with very few exceptions. I get bored with photo blogs (i.e. mostly photos, little commentary), photo technique blogs, photo equipment blogs, photography-as-art blogs, and I just don't care about photo industry blogs, etc. And for the record, yes, I know my own blog falls into one of those categories. :) The best ones for me, like Thomas Hawk's blog, cover photography from many diverse angles.
- Michael Hocter
I love looking a good photo blogs and flickr. I wish I had a good DSLR I use to dabble in film photog. I was in right when the digital was taking over. I found that a good camera and some quick reading and you will take good pics. To take great pics you have to have the eye.
- Blackopsmanners
TWIP http://twipphoto.com/
- Thomas Hawk
http://www.twipphoto.com. Scott Bourne, Alex Lindsay, et. al. The associated podcast is probably the main resource for me, but the blog also has good content.
- Bill Crow
Can't believe no-one mentioned strobist - http://www.strobist.blogspot.com/
- Jason Carreira
Chromasia http://www.chromasia.com/
- Akiva Moskovitz
good call on strobist
- Damien Franco
jason carreira: :) someone did pretty early.
- edythe
mandolux: http://www.mandolux.com desktop wallpapers, really, but great photos nonetheless
- Trent Olson
A favorite pure photo blog... HELLO: http://www.mylalaland.com/hello...
- Michael Hocter
Stephen Faust http://stephenfaust.wordpress.com
- Bryan Clark
Daily Walks (Diane Varner): http://www.dianevarner.com/
- Michael Hocter
Frank Petronio: http://frankpetronio.com
- Michael Hocter
Flak Photo: http://flak-photo.my-expressions.com
- Michael Hocter
Home of the Vain (sometimes NSFW): http://www.homeofthevain.com
- Michael Hocter
Joe Reifer (Night Photography): http://www.joereifer.com/words...
- Michael Hocter
This Week In Photography - http://www.twipphoto.com
- Liana Lehua
Ride My Pony (NSFW): http://ridemypony.com
- Michael Hocter
The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.t...
- Michael Hocter
Shoot! The Blog: http://blog.photoshelter.com/
- Michael Hocter
This Week In Photography - http://www.twipphoto.com
- Tom
Chase Jarvis - http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog...
- Kortney Jarman
Joe McNally - http://www.joemcnally.com/blog
- Kortney Jarman
Scott Kelby - http://www.scottkelby.com/blog
- Kortney Jarman
Thomas Hawk - Amazing work! His favs are also wonderful.
- Dave Martin
Thanks all! Didn't know about many of these. Now only of I had the time to check them all out.
- Joe Perrin
Cornershots - http://www.cornershots.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Absolutely Nothing - http://www.absolutely-nothing.co.uk/
- Kol Tregaskes
m o o d a h o i c - http://www.moodaholic.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
milou - http://www.milouvision.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Julien Roumagnac - http://www.j-roumagnac.net
- Kol Tregaskes
Outstanding Shots - http://outstandingshots.blogspot.com
- Kol Tregaskes
p a b s t p h o t o . c o m - http://www.pabst-photo.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Thinking-Picture - http://www.thinking-picture.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
flickstr - http://flickstr.basementserver.com/ (perhaps not a blog but you can find some interesting photography here
- Kol Tregaskes
Neil Creek - http://neil.creek.name/blog/
- Kol Tregaskes
PhotoResearcher - http://www.researchphotos.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Ask the Photographer - http://askthephotographer.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
The Business of Photography - http://photobusinesseducation.wordpress.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Epic Edits (Brian Auer) - http://blog.epicedits.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Jim M. Goldstein - http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog...
- Kol Tregaskes
Photo Business News & Forum - http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Photo HowTo - http://www.photohowto.info/
- Kol Tregaskes
Photodoto - http://photodoto.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
photonovice.net - http://www.photonovice.net/
- Kol Tregaskes
Photopreneur - http://blogs.photopreneur.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
thephotographybiz - http://www.thephotographybiz.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
TalkRocket - http://www.talkrocket.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Beyond Phototips - http://www.beyondphototips.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Tips from the top - http://www.tipsfromthetopfloor.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
DIYPhotography.net - http://www.diyphotography.net/
- Kol Tregaskes
HyperPhocal - http://hyperphocal.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Microstock Diaries - http://www.microstockdiaries.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Photo Attorney - http://www.photoattorney.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Planet Photoshop - http://www.planetphotoshop.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Shutterbug Source Photography Tips - http://www.shutterbugsource.com
- Kol Tregaskes
PSDTuts - http://psdtuts.com
- Kol Tregaskes
Hope that's enough to keep you busy ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is an amazing list.
- Russellreno
TWIP http://twipphoto.com/
- Bob Gannon
David J. Nightingale - http://www.chromasia.com/iblog...
- Kol Tregaskes
Your Photo Tips - http://www.yourphototips.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Photo Merchant - http://photomerchant.net/
- Kol Tregaskes
John Nack on Adobe (His job title is Principal Product Manager, Adobe Photoshop) - http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/
- Daniel Schildt
101 Cookbooks - Recipe Journal (great if you like food and photos of it) -- http://www.101cookbooks.com
- Daniel Schildt
m o o d a h o l i c (Kenny Weng) - http://www.moodaholic.com
- Daniel Schildt
Black Star Rising - http://rising.blackstar.com
- Daniel Schildt
Lumilux (Hans E. Hyttinen) - http://lumilux.org
- Daniel Schildt
Flickr Art of Color Photography - http://flickrart.blogspot.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol - WOW, I think you are going to keep me busy for the rest of the year!
- Justin Korn
Thank you everyone! I'm sorting through these now and will hopefully have a post about them all sometime this week.
- Justin Korn
Shutterpad.com - http://www.shutterpad.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
@Justin Korn (justinkorn): I've just been through my flickr contacts this week to add them as imaginary friends so why doing this I added them here, I also posted my fav list on my blog, so has killed several birds with one stone. ;-) Warning: I'll keep posting, on and on and on... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
from NoiseRiver
Photoaxe.com - http://www.photoaxe.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Digital Photography Blogs - http://digitalphotographyblogs.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
So I didn't get a post up as soon as I expected, but here is the first of hopefully a few to come...http://blog.justinkorn.com/index...
- Justin Korn
Jerry Stevens Jr. http://www.Awesomephotograph.com/blog
- Lori
Updated! v0.3 FriendFeed Profile – Userscripts.org - http://userscripts.org/scripts...
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Does not show profile for yourself as default. More compact. Added auto updater.
- Hao Chen
from Bookmarklet
just install over the existing script ?
- johnpiercy
correct, fotographic, install over existing script. With the addition of the auto updater, this will be much easier. :)
- Hao Chen
thanks :)
- johnpiercy
Nice update. Where do you configure, "SHOW_PROFILE_FOR_SELF"?
- Czar
Czar: You need to open the script and edit it. It's the first variable in the script.
- Justin Korn
auto-update..sweet!
- Alan Le
You can edit GM scripts by right clicking on the greasemonkey icon in bottom right -> manage user scripts -> select a script and click edit
- Hao Chen
nice job bro
- Brandon
This is awesome, thanks Hao!
- Aaron Myers
Wait, now it shows two "Location" areas, so can we get that fixed?
- Aaron Myers
It's showing two locations (one from twitter, one from LinkedIn). Right now, it has no logic except if you edit the booleans in the script. Proposal to add in smarter logic like if twitter has location AND linkedin has location, then only show one of them? (and which one do you prefer?)
- Hao Chen
I think some sort of a profile is a must have for friend feed.
- Matt Baron
Hao: I think the LinkedIn location should take precedence since people might goof around with their Twitter location.
- Justin Korn
LinkedIn location FTW -- it's a lot more meaningful.
- Robert Fischer
+1 for twitter location (as it's 'real time' if used with bkite and other services.)
- Czar
your script is the greatest! I finally found a way to include my Twitter bio without importing my official Twitter feed (because I am only posting here on FF, re-posting on Twitter via Twitterfeed and that would mean double-postings). So I just got me a new Twitter account with nothing in it but my bio and imported that one - voilá
- Gaby K. Slezák
great idea gaby!
- Hao Chen
McKenzie -11yo Girl Sets New Record for Field Stripping AR15 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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i'd like to have her on my team when the zombie apocalypse comes.
- Jason Calacanis
Nice. And my girl just sings to Hannah Montana.
- David Jacobs
I am impressed, great focus!
- Matt Hartley
Why?
- David O'Halloran
Maybe I don't see the irony in this film and I'm taking it too seriously, but, as a Dutch person being, I think it's quite scary to see a 11 year old girl handling a weapon like this. I don't think you'll be able to find a girl in the Netherlands who touched a weapon like that ever.
- Ton Zijp
And then she promptly walks around in front of the barrel - bad call - still... nice execution. As for the Why? Why not... Boy scouts tie knots, whittle sticks with knives and shoot bows & arrows. Why shouldn't a girl be interested in guns? It's not like it's a strictly male pasttime.
- Lucretia Pruitt
180 mixed feelings on this one
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Guns Kill, Cars Kill, Planes Kill, Diet Kills. All have been used as weapons, but there is generally one thing on that list that is known to be used as a weapon of defense by free peoples. Though I don't own a gun, I think it is commendable that young people are taught to handle a weapon that can be used in defense against those that would wish her/him harm. The only problem I have with...
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- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
wtf
- Allen Stern
I'm with Allen here. No child needs to learn how to do that. Ton, any houses available in your neighborhood?
- Cyndy
lol, this is pretty dumb
- Nick O'Neill
Cyndy, we will get all the nice anti-weapon-people overhere & this'll be a nice & friendly place to be. No filmdirectors will be shot down around the corner anymore. From now on & in eternity. ;-)
- Ton Zijp
11 yr old kids in Africa do this all the time, while high on khat.
- Robert Hafer
from twhirl
@Robert, do you have a video? ;-)
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
yeah AJBatac, da video is there..but the videographer is dead ..
- Peter Dawson
@Peter, I guess so.
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
I'm having Blues Brothers flashbacks: http://tinyurl.com/5b4wa4 ... I wouldn't recommend that for in class "Show and Tell", but definitely a good skill to have when you get ditched at the alter.
- John Budnik
Wow, that honestly might be the most impressive video I've seen in awhile.
- Shawn Farner
and I thought the lawn zombie was freaky... I bet that dad won NRA Father of the Year!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
from twhirl
I fear that I have started a household war with my girlfriend by saying this video disturbs me...
- Clay Newton
Check and Mate
- Robert Barr
damn I miss doing that, one of the fun things about being in the army. pretty impressive little girl.
- Andrea Baker
Okay... this is made exceedingly creepy by the user pic of the youtube poster.
- Jonathan Howe
This is a worrying video.. Nothing impressive about it..
- Winston Teo
Could be worse, could be some 15 yr old emo kid with an extra large chip on his shoulder.
- Glen McFarlane
from twhirl
How sweet. I see a magnum coming her way for her 18th!
- mark.kemperman
from feedalizr
that's adorable, and she's getting quicker too: http://tinyurl.com/624y8d -- now is there any wonder why child labor was such a big hit in the industrial revolution?
- Pete Delucchi
america is a weird weird place....
- djp
funny, my 11 year old was practicing something similar with my boyfriend and new weapons purchase a few weeks ago - she's pretty good too, scary
- Renee Hendricks
Sign her up for the new GI Joe movie....NOW!
- Luis
United Statians? Wibbly , wobbly much?
- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
Ugliest thing I have seen in a long time. Who would teach a young person such a thing? There is alot of other challenges to be able to take apart, video and show off. I vote for: Parent FAIL.
- darodave
Why would a family need guns like that in a house? Who in the US need an automatic assault rifle in their house?
- darodave
Currently? No one. But can you read the future?
- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
Sorry, I am trying to think logically about this thread. Lets just send this link to the families of Columbine or Virginia Tech victims. Makes me real proud to be apart of a something that lets these devices exist. It doesn't make sense.
- darodave
Impressive. And scary.
- Joseph Z.
I'm Not Your Friend, Buddy! - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I'm not your buddy, guy!
- l0ckergn0me
I'm not your guy, friend!
- l0ckergn0me
I'm not your friend, buddy!
- l0ckergn0me
LOL man that's so stupid you can't help but laugh. I love South Park
- Mike Bogle
We want more money
- Pat Hawks
I AM CANADIAN!
- Michael Forian
Blame Canada
- Duncan Riley
Frigging hilarious.
- David Chartier
Love this song
- Shawn aka ringking
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#3: I love candid shots. Too bad so many people (men/women) are into the "made-up" look. I enjoy natural... Thanks Ginger (ginmak3, 6/27/08). Ginger's photo is part of the come-as-you-are project. Here's my come-as-you-are picture http://flickr.com/photos... http://friendfeed.com/e....
- Mitchell Tsai
Man some of those are spectacular! The water drop and boats.. great. As for pretty women (and what looks like Ginger in there) .. it's hard for me to be critical. I like them all.
- Phil G
Just woke up. These are most of my favorites from today's Top-100-Flickr-feed. The best-of-FF feature rocks. I saved the last 400 from the Everyone feed, but haven't looked at them yet. Have to move some cut trees in my backyard... :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
FriendFeed & Flickr is so much better than Flickr alone. I tried Flickr many times, and always abandoned it. Easier to find good photos on photography websites... Thomas Hawk's tips really help though. I'm slowly learning the _awful_ Flickr interface.
- Mitchell Tsai
Awww thanks. I forgot my huge-ass sunglasses and profile-pic pout. :-)
- Ginger Makela Riker
We'll wait for the sunglasses photo shoot from tomorrow. ;-0
- Mitchell Tsai
ginger is lovely.
- edythe
@edythe - that she is...
- JA Castillo
ya'll are making me blush.
- Ginger Makela Riker
Tis true, you are luminescent in that photo
- Michael W. May
Ginger, you look better than a lot of models! Much better than some of the other women shots I've been fav'ing... One of my ex-girlfriends shared that many men are looking for an intelligent & beautiful woman (even when just looking at photos).
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting discussion about FriendFeed and how they don't really use their own product. http://friendfeed.com/e...
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Yeah, the point about having to take bugs to Google groups is weird, there should be a FriendFeed centric way to report bugs and wishes. I did get a speedy reply from my Google groups postings, but it felt weird, as I never normally use Groups.
- Edd Dumbill
from twhirl
Conversations on FriendFeed aren't "connectable" enough for bug tracking. FF needs a mashup of Summize/Attensity/del.icio.us.
- Kawika Holbrook
@Kawika: The mashup you're talking about can happen possibly only after they allow users to view more than 300 items (try going past page 11)
- Yuvi
The official tumblr blog wasn't a tumblelog until like a month ago. I think sometimes a startup goes with what they know, and what's free, and migrate later. I think it's a great idea though, to have a friendfeed-powered support group.
- Phil G
Ha! We are ahead of the curve then. :) The official Profy product blog has been on the platform since the get-go. I think most companies still need to maintain an off-site blog for communicating outages, etc., however.
- Cyndy
FF made use of the two Google groups long before Rooms were introduced, let's not forget that.
- Aviv
Cyndy - correct. Remember what happened to that anti-spam company that had its blog on wordpress.com? They were DDOSed and they updated all there A refs to their WP blog. Pissed a bunch of people off, but wordpress.com didn't go down. What was it? Blue Turtle or something?
- Phil G
I don't understand this: Where does the discussion say they don't use their own product? Because some random guy (Earle Martin doesn't work for Friendfeed) wanted you to use Google Groups? Friendfeed consistently listens to feedback and what people are saying on Friendfeed, Bret, Ana, Paul, and the others are very active users, there are rooms, set up by Friendfeed, specifically for bugs and feedback... so, huh?
- Mark Trapp
Mark, sorry I didn't know that. I've been posting comments about FriendFeed in various threads, even some started by FF people, and have never received any feedback or confirmation, and none have been implemented. I had a feeling they were getting feedback elsewhere but didn't know about the Google group (wouldn't have mattered, I don't use GG, I use FF at least for now). Gotta say the response to this has been pretty hostile. Do you work for the company? (Hard to know cause there are no profile pages.)
- Dave Winer
Its not that different to those companies using getsatisfaction - use the best tools for the job and all that.. admittedly google groups is not what I would call the best tool for the job though! Looks like Mark doesnt work for friendfeed assuming his Linkedin profile is upto date ;)
- Riaz Kanani
i can't ding them for not using their product the way some folks do - they are developing a platform so hopefully focused on that mostly but more importantly everyone uses social tools differently - some read & some engage - i think that ff shows great potential and hope they keep doing exactly what they're doing
- mike "glemak" dunn
Dave, I don't work for Friendfeed. I haven't had the same experience as you: features like Block, show all likes, rooms, the services that have been added, feeds in rooms, changeable room pictures, multiple room administrators, are all features that were acknowledged on Friendfeed by Friendfeed and later implemented. I'm a nobody, and have had Paul acknowledge a few problems I've seen with Friendfeed, and work out debugging them to see what was happening.
- Mark Trapp
Are Paul Buchheit, Kevin Fox, or Bret Taylor following you David? If not, they're probably not seeing your feedback, especially if you're only putting it in comments to other people's posts. They do read the Friendfeed Feedback room (even if they don't comment): maybe that's the best place to put your comments. You're a superstar: creating threads specifically for problems you have with Friendfeed is definitely going to get attention.
- Mark Trapp
I agree with Mark. The FriendFeed engineers have been very active here. I agree that it could be a bit more organized, so you could see those interactions, but that's true of everything here on FF.
- Robert Scoble
dave: see mark's linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/pub... - that's what i look at for most folks - hover over a user name and the window that opens up shows all their inbound feed info - a richer profile on ff would be nice but if folks link to one that already does a good job don't think its that big a deal - the web doesn't need more disparate profile locations imho
- mike "glemak" dunn
There is Friendfeed feedback room. It works. They listen. @Cyndy You're always ahead of the curve :) Nice job Mark (and no, I don't work for FF either, just LOVE it
- Charlie Anzman
Mark, I'm glad they're listening to you. I love the block command. I'm not likely to use rooms. I don't know if they're following me, I don't keep close tabs on that. But I have tried to leave ideas and questions in places I think they watch. I basically have what I want now, though they could have saved me a bit of time by pointing me to the API (I was trying to make what I was doing work with feeds). I had some ideas for them, but I still don't know where to put them. (And I'm not using GG.)
- Dave Winer
Scoble, glad they listen to you too. You have good ideas.
- Dave Winer
Dave, here's an example of a feature request I submitted that got read by Paul Bucheit (he "Liked" it) and was recently added. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mark Krynsky
Dave, I understand: they're not transparent in how they prioritize feature requests or bugs (things like Block were added shortly after people really started asking for it, but the 300-item limit for going back in time issue that Yuvi's been championing for months still goes unfixed), but they tend to be pretty good about acting on Feedback. My only suggestion is that in the future, try using the Friendfeed Feedback room (http://friendfeed.com/rooms...) People at Friendfeed are reading it.
- Mark Trapp
Although Dave, I wouldn't be surprised if this thread here causes them to start following what you say and do more closely :-)
- Mark Trapp
@Mike: I'm popping up everywhere (including the FF Feedback Room, and the Google Group) and shouting about the 300 items limit. Still unfixed :( It was acknowledged at the Google Group, but that was almost 2 months ago. No fix yet. :(
- Yuvi
Yuvi, I'm pretty sure they're aware of your request. As you well know, there's a workaround. I'm glad they're prioritizing more important stuff.
- jakebf
@Jake: Err, what workaround? I don't know any....
- Yuvi
Yep, I agree to the "prioritizing" part. Just that they need to fix this too.
- Yuvi
@Mark Trapp: Huh, er, what? Oh, right, I just saw Dave's reply to my comment on that item. I forget who pointed me to the Google group; it was before rooms had been implemented, and appeared to be "the" destination for support.
- Earle Martin
Dave: sorry you feel that we have been unresponsive. We are transitioning from using the Google Group to the FriendFeed room (http://friendfeed.com/rooms...). As others have mentioned, Rooms did not exist when the product launched, so that is the reason both exist. For private things (stuff you don't want others to read), email feedback@friendfeed.com. We certainly try to be responsive, and we appreciate your feedback.
- Bret Taylor
Bret, I'm sorry you feel that way too! I've tried to be a good user and developer, but clearly I've not been doing my job very well. I'll try harder. Thanks for the feedback.
- Dave Winer
FF has been very responsive to feedback and I'm an average schmo compared to you. I've had prompt responses (and followup) from both Ana and Ross. Ana even responded while working on Obama campaign in Michigan. Dave, now that you've been corrected...write a post on your wonderful blog (go badgers!)
- Pokai
Pokai, I don't understand exactly what I've been doing wrong. I've asked a few questions and made a few suggestions. At the risk of breaking protocol, I'd like ask some right now, while we have Bret's attention. How often does FF poll feeds? Does it observe <ttl>? Any thought of a weblogs.com type ping server? Why are RSS descriptions ignored? How about OPML reading list support? A few items that I've asked about..
- Dave Winer
Dave: ha! I did not intend my message to imply you have been doing something wrong. If we didn't respond your feedback or it wasn't clear where to send feedback, it is our fault of course. I just wanted to chime in with the best forums currently, but I am reading this thread closely, and I promise you we will update our procedures based on the feedback from this thread and others.
- Bret Taylor
Dave, I'm sure FF is thinking (and working) on those issues. They may not be ready to answer them yet or give any kind of timetable to a high profile blogger. Now that Scoble is trying to take over DC, get a Nokia N95 camera (Qik video) and go visit the new FF headquarters with your questions. I'm sure they'd let you in, and all of us FFers would love to see it. Plus you'd probably get more followers.
- Pokai
Answers to your questions: We poll feeds every 20 - 45 minutes depending on time of day. We do not currently observe TTL in feeds. We have put some thought into a producing ping server (we currently use a number of ping servers to get updates more quickly). Can you clarify your RSS descriptions issue? Do you want them passed through the feeds to the other side, or displayed in the UI somewhere? OPML is also on "the list," but has been prioritized lower than other issues to date (sorry about that).
- Bret Taylor
Thanks for the responses. I don't care so much about the pass-through (though obviously it should be passed through). The use-case is http://friendfeed.com/newsjunk -- at first it was an RSS feed but it didn't update frequently enough (new items can appear every three minutes) and didn't pick up the descriptions. It finally occurred to me that using the API might give a better response and it did.
- Dave Winer
To be clear OPML reading lists are like feeds, when an item drops off the list you stop polling it when an item comes on you start polling. Also it seems to me that the polling period ought to be a function of the frequency of updates of the feed. You clearly poll Flickr much more frequently as well as Twitter. Why view user feeds as lower priority?
- Dave Winer
Also, which ping servers do you use? (That could address the frequency of update issue.)
- Dave Winer
They don't dogfood? BAD, BAD FF!
- Ryan
Yuvi's "page 11" (399 item limit with "num=100") bug hasn't been fixed since acknowledged on May 6. My guess is either (1) it's a major overhaul (2) they're worrried about increasing loads too high. With a lot of people now in the 2,000-12,000 comments/likes range, only being able to see the first 3-5% is a pain. In the everyone feed, I can only see the last 1-2 hrs of Flickrs. It would be nice to see the last 24-48 hrs, so I don't miss things while sleeping.
- Mitchell Tsai
I would NOT use FriendFeed for managing Web App Dev code projects either... wrong tool guys. In fact, I am GLAD they're not using FF for that. You need to have your issue/bug tracking product *separate* from your production app! hehehe! Plus, they use the FF Feedback room and interact with their users...so they do *use* FF a bit.
- Susan Beebe
I've posted bugs in both the FF room, and the Google Group, and both times received a response within minute. Note that these were actual bugs. I've made feature suggestions in the FF room, and received no feedback at all except for other users 'liking' them. But isn't this what you'd expect? FriendFeed has to manage the product as a whole and feedback helps with that, but they can't get into a discussion about every single suggestion.
- Robin Barooah
I'd love to have the FriendFeed bug list & progress stuff semi-public. With all the tech people here, perhaps they could get a lot of free help. The CEO of Wikia talked about the changes in philosophy he had to use running Wikia. Many of his best workers are volunteers who put in more time than the paid staff. Issues of control, maintenance, and responsibility are interesting in the mesh between open source & traditional. Why maintain separation between internal developers, Q&A, and alpha/beta testers?
- Mitchell Tsai
Upgraded! 320 GB in a MacBook Pro! - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Why not just solder 2 1TB drives on there and call it a day?
- Louis Gray
That's dope. Agreed with @Louis Gray though 2TB would be far more useful.
- Josh
Well that would just be ostentatious, Louis.
- Mark Trapp
I'm on a used ibook G4 I bought for about 350$ It has a 60GB HD. I guess I have to leave FriendFeed, it's frustrating to hear about TBs when you can't afford them :)
- directeur
My Photography Workflow - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
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Thanks for sharing. This was one of the many questions I would have asked you had we sat down for a coffee in Starbucks. And if we ever do... I'm buying.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Thanks for sharing this!
- Mack D. Male
Been waiting for this post TH. Thanks.
- Chris Nixon
I am one of the ones that asked for workflow detail -- thanks for the post and info. It would be great to see a Scoble video of this -- I have no doubt that the discussion would enhance the information
- Brian Sullivan
Great post! You only shoot with prime lenses? Do you switch them out often?
- lisa-k
@Thomas Hawk - I believe you have mentioned it before, but I cannot put my finger on it...why the use of Bridge over Lightroom and/or Aperture. Sorry if it's a repeat question; feel free to point to link if you have previously answered this elsewhere. Thanks!
- JA Castillo
Fantastic of you to share this Thomas!
- Parth Awasthi
from twhirl
JA - I use Lightroom and as I was reading TH post it occurred to me that LR would do all of these steps except Geotag.
- Russellreno
JA Castillo, from what I've seen and read, he just hasn't gotten around to converting to Lightroom.
- Mark Trapp
Thanks for this article, I like the use of "finished" A and B folders. I'd be curious to see how you worked the sliders in Camera Raw and in what order. Exposure, Recovery etc. Great content for a future PhotoCycle?
- Andrew Smith
@Russellreno & Mark Trapp - Thanks! I have been contemplating Lightroom and was curious as to why he's still with Bridge as there are more "creative" opportunities via Lightroom over Bridge.
- JA Castillo
Thanks all. Lisa, yes, I shoot 96% with prime lenses. I do have a Canon f/4 70-200 zoom that gets used sometimes, but mostly all primes. I used to shoot with zooms but I feel like I get better, sharper images with prime lenses.
- Thomas Hawk
I can't believe how much I've learned about photography just from reading friendfeed. Now, if I can just get myself a tripod (or less caffeine) and a decent camera. :)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
JA Castillo. I tried Aperture a few years back. It didn't handle vignette processing back then so I uninstalled it. I'm sure Aperture is a perfectly fine photo editing software package but at this point I'm just more used to Adobe products and I can see no compelling reason to switch to Aperture. I'm sure Aperture is perfectly fine though and sort of view the Aperture/Adobe debate like the Canon/Nikon debate. Both are fine, depends on your preference.
- Thomas Hawk
Muahaha, now I will be like Thomas Hawk. My plans for world domination are coming along nicely.
- Bwana ☠
some time ago i decided to learn how to use a set of tools and stick with them. I use Dowloader Pro / Bridge / Photoshop.
- Mário Pires
In terms of Lightroom, I tried the last beta a few years back out but it was still buggy. I need to spend more time with it though as the best photo processors I know are using it. I'm hoping to spend some time learning it and plan on doing a review of the new upcoming version of it in conjunction with the upcoming version's release.
- Thomas Hawk
Seems like my process is quit similar except I started using LightRoom recently. What I don't understand is how you go through 500 pictures in one evening with this process. It took me about 2hrs last night to go through 50 pictures taken and 18 that I processed. Anyway, thanks for sharing!
- Justin Korn
Aperture does have vignette sliders now (both gamma and exposure, gamma produces lovely vignetting imo). Check my flickr for examples, I use Aperture exclusively.
- Benjamin Golub
from fftogo
Very useful Thomas, thanks for sharing :)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@Justin Kom: I can run through about 250 photos in a few hours in LR. It depends on what everyone means by 'processing,' I guess. A lot of them just get quick adjustments, and I end up copying and pasting adjustments a lot too, with a few tweaks after. This really speeds things up.
- donato
from twhirl
@Justin Korn. Redbull.
- Thomas Hawk
The Beta of Lightroom 2.0 has better vignetting control (an option to add vignette after cropping) and the software is pretty stable overall. I've been a Lightroom user since the very beginning, and I switched to 2.0 as soon as the beta came out. (I've run about 2,500 images through it with no problems.) It plays well with the other Adobe tools, so if you still want to open up in Bridge or ACR, all your settings will be shared across the applications.
- Brian Johns
I really like the LR 2.0 improvements, especially the multi-monitor support and the better vignette controls. I stay out of 2.0 most of the time, though, because: "Develop settings applied in Lightroom 2.0 beta are not guaranteed to transfer correctly to the final version of 2.0. This is particularly true for localized corrections."
- donato
from twhirl
@Donato - I think I need to learn to find pictures with similar lighting and batch process them like you mentioned. @Thomas - I need to learn to like Redbull...
- Justin Korn
Justin, I've gotten pretty good actually at processing images very quickly. I have to as I'm trying to publish 1 million photographs before I die and there's just not the time to spend too much time on any one image -- so I process fast. The jump from CS2 to CS3 was a *huge* breakthrough in my own photo processing productivity. Eventually technology should make the sole limiting factor your ability to mentally process what you want to do.
- Thomas Hawk
There are, by the way, some *amazing* photographers who probably spend a lot more time than I do processing their images. merkley, Cole Rise, Kelly Castro all come to mind.
- Thomas Hawk
"Typically less than 10% of my photos need additional work beyond camera RAW." -- Wow. This speaks volumes to your enviable talent behind the lens as well as your skillful use of Adobe Camera Raw. Thanks very much for sharing.
- Taylor
I got lazy and stopped shooting in RAW....now it looks like I'm going to have to start again...
- Snay Trivedi
Making the leap to Lightroom probably cut my processing time in at least half. I think I've used Photoshop about 5 times since I've started using LightRoom 6 months ago! But even so, I feel like I spend just as much time (if not more) processing as taking the pictures. I agree though, some of the most amazing photographers spend WAY more time processing their photos.
- Justin Korn
I started using Lightroom about 6 weeks ago, and it has actually encouraged me to shoot more because the workflow is simpler than what I was doing before. I'm glad to hear that vignetting is going to be improved in 2.0. That's my major qualm with the software right now. There are, however, definitely instances where Photoshop is highly beneficial.
- Matt
Take away - Use prime lens, compose in camera, shoot raw, process. I need to invest in some prime lenses.
- Russellreno
LR processing - On first pass I view all photos in slide room and quickly rate 1 or 4. I delete the 1's and then view and continue to process. If I don't like a 4 on second pass it becomes a 3. Eventually I can say i am finished.
- Russellreno
Really brilliant post Thomas thanks v much and I agree with the person who suggested that a Scoble video would help to record the mastery. I've been trying to work this stuff out for ages but never quite applied myself to it the way you have. Now I just have to use the Hawk methodology on about 10000 photos already in iPhoto....oh and learn how to take better pictures...that might be harder!
- Anne McCrossan
thanks for sharing!
- Tom
While I don't do any processing to any of my pics I found this a good read and really liked the other links in the blog. I am surprised that your everyday bag contains primes and no longer telephotos.
- Becca
Donato, I rarely delete any RAW originals, even technically horrible shots or mistakes. These always could be converted into abstracts later on -- and then there is always the case where what seems like a throw away might later turn out to be significant. This was the case in a famous photo taken of Clinton and Lewinsky. I save everything. Storage is cheap.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas, that's always been my take on it too. I don't delete anything for the same reasons. I'd rather keep them and know that they are there if I ever need them or find a use for them, instead of just deleting them forever. I've very rarely ever said "Oh, I'll never use this." and deleted it, because you really never know.
- donato
from twhirl
Fantastic article. I really enjoyed reading your links to the older articles also. My process is rapidly envolving, and your article helps immensely. I've got a backlog of 90,000 pics from the past 2 years, and anything that speeds the process is wonderful.
- Mitchell Tsai
I posted my comment on Thomas's blog as it is too long to post here. http://thomashawk.com/2008...
- Jeff P. Henderson
Thomas I'm curious why you chose to go with Lightroom over Aperture?
- bill Streeter
You heard it here on FriendFeed first: Announcing SmugVault - Store everything for next to nothing. - http://blogs.smugmug.com/don...
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This is brilliant! I've been waiting for a service exactly like this.
- Chris Nixon
had a feeling this is what the announcement was when I noticed a SmugVault entry in the gallery drop down. Think I need to see which is cheaper to do direct S3 storage or using this.
- dbcohen
So, anything? If I wanted to run my DMG archive off of Smug Vault, I'd be okay?
- Mark Trapp
@Dave Cohen: S3 is cheaper (not much!), but you lose the integration and visual browsing interface of SmugMug. We're certainly not an S3 competitor here. If S3 works for you, awesome. :)
- Don MacAskill
Awesome Don, nice one! Let's make a loud sound with this one!
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
@Mark Trapp: Yep, anything, including DMG or whatever. Currently it's 512MB/file max, but I'm working on making it 5GB per file.
- Don MacAskill
Been waiting for something like this ever since I started shooting RAW!
- Benjamin Golub
Awesome, thanks Don. This could be nifty for my design firm's off-site archive, especially if we can preview the good bulk of the files.
- Mark Trapp
Argh! I just starting shooting RAW!! Must have!!!
- Bwana ☠
hmmmm... store *everything*, next to *nothing*. Not sure I agree with that. Under this new service my 2TB archive would cost me $600 one time fee + $440 every single month, plus more for getting the images back. Seems like a few drobos are a better deal, no? I can't imagine paying over $5,000 a year for offsite storage. Of course this sort of service is probably not aimed at someone like me.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas Hawk: Compared to competing photo sharing services with RAW support, and other pay-for-storage-in-the-cloud offerings, this is a very compelling price point. It's certainly not as cheap as a handful of Drobos - but then you have to do all the IT, deal with fire/earthquakes/etc. If you're cool with that, great. But many aren't.
- Don MacAskill
@Thomas Hawk: There are two components for any really solid archive storage: Local, fast, always available storage and something offsite. That can be drives stored at a bank, tapes at an archival facility, or something like SmugVault. We view ourselves as the offsite component, not the replacement for the RAID at your house.
- Don MacAskill
@Don, I'm just saying $600 upfront and $440 per month in my case certainly would not qualify as storing "everything for next to nothing." It would cost me more per month to store my archive than to lease a car. And my archive is only going to get bigger.
- Thomas Hawk
Can I get access outwith the web interface? e.g. ftp or sync software
- Chris Nixon
Already climbing the charts of rssmeme: http://www.rssmeme.com/story...
- Benjamin Golub
I don't think storage in the cloud is yet economical for most heavy photographers. Even someone with only 500GB of images would still have to pay $110 per month which is an expensive cost. Better (and faster) to back up your images yourself on drives and give them to a friend to hold for you offsite. You can also remotely network drobos now to have one at your home, one at an offsite location and sync them for much, much, less money.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't get why I'd use this over my $5/m Mozy account?
- Phill Price
@Thomas Hawk: Remotely networking drobos? Makes me want to get them even more... Wish they weren't so expensive! @Phill Price: Yeah, I don't see how SmugMug's service beats the pants off of Mozy, except that I don't think Mozy has a Web-based file browser. Am I wrong about that?
- Voyagerfan5761
@Thomas Hawk: We have Pros who charge $10-20K for a single wedding that generates a few GB of photos. This is very economical for money-making Pros. And we have tens of thousands of them. :)
- Don MacAskill
I haven't remotely networked drobo's yet but Alex Lindesy said that he's doing this with his on the This Week in Photography (TWIP) podcast. Synching two drobos would not be cheap Voyagerfan, but certainly cheaper than paying $440 per month. I do have my archive backed up on cheap external USB drives though and offsite at my parent's house. Most of my finished JPG photos are online as well on photosharing sites which are sort of a secondary backup.
- Thomas Hawk
@Voyagerfan5761 it does - and its automatic
- Phill Price
@Phill Price: This offering is geared towards people for whom SmugMug is a vital part of their workflow. They've told us they want the archives stored alongside the photos, so their normal workflow is enhanced rather than disrupted. Absolutely using something like Mozy or S3 or whatever is cheaper - but for some, time and/or effort is more valuable than money. SmugMug isn't in the business of being the cheapest solution for anything we offer - we're a premium service.
- Don MacAskill
The other thing I don't like about this service is that it has a built in cost increase. The more you shoot the more you store, the more you store, the more you pay ongoing. You pay *more* in the future not less, even though storage gets cheaper. I'd rather have an "all you can eat" sort of plan that controlled future price increases. Still, for the casual photographer with less than 50GB of files, this might be worth looking at. Although even 50GB is $22 a month, a far cry from "next to nothing."
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas Hawk: Actually, that's not true. As Amazon lowers their prices (which they've done twice in two years already, and I expect another one "soon"), we'll lower ours the corresponding amount. Your storage will get cheaper.
- Don MacAskill
@Thomas Hawk: While I appreciate the feedback, you're not really comparing apples to apples here. Go find me a photo sharing site that accepts and stores RAW/PSD/etc for less than ours as part of their workflow. We will *definitely* not be as cheap as local storage, that's a given. The question is how we compare to other similar offerings. And in that regard, we're much cheaper and (more importantly) much better.
- Don MacAskill
Bear in mind that this is an offering our customers have been *begging* for at a price point *lower* than they said they'd pay. My customers are likely very different from you - but that doesn't mean it's not a valid, useful, game-changing offering.
- Don MacAskill
@Don, I might not be comparing apples to apples, but I'd still never pay $440 a month for a service like this. The "store everything for next to nothing," was the part I thought was a bit misleading. The service is actually quite a bit more expensive than someone simply copying their files to an external drive and giving it to a friend to hold offsite for them, without reoccuring monthly fees.
- Thomas Hawk
saying the Oakland Mercedes Benz dealer is cheaper than the Beverly Hills Mercedes Benz dealer doesn't mean that you still can't find a cheaper car somewhere else -- or take the bus or bike for that matter. You get to the same place no matter if you drive a Mercedes, a Prius, take BART or bike. Some ways just cost more than others.
- Thomas Hawk
I am a pro photographer. I shoot less than ThomasHawk but have my fair share of events. I would like to just see a storage through online means regardless of file type such as Xdrive. But at larger increments such as 1GB at a time not 1MB. Any thoughts Don?
- Photo Larry
from twhirl
"next to nothing" refers to some of our (to remain unnamed) competitors. And it jives with what our paying customers have told us they'd pay for this service. We could have gouged them and charged the $1/GB or whatever they said they'd pay (or that they pay elsewhere now) - but we chose not to. Apologies if it doesn't fit your world view. :)
- Don MacAskill
Yes, but the Oakland Benz dealer will sell you the same Benz that Beverly Hills will. A Drobo and SmugVault aren't even remotely the same. So again, you're comparing apples to apples in your analogy, but not the actual product comparison. It's fine, I get it - you won't use it. But that doesn't mean it's not a good product.
- Don MacAskill
@Photo Larry: You can store 1MB, 1GB, 1PB with this. Whatever you want. So you're not limited to 1MB. If I somehow gave that impression, I apologize. SmugVault is unlimited and pay-by-the-drink. Only pay for what you use - no commitments.
- Don MacAskill
Don, I'm an edge case. I'm sure this offering is just right for many of your customers. Some people like to drive Mercedes and don't mind paying -- it's a huge market. I just like to take the BART, that way it costs less and I can process photos to and from work. :)
- Thomas Hawk
This may be the clincher for me. I've been thinking about using SmugMug for a while. They already allow users to sell photos -- which is something I've wanted from other photo sharing sites for a while -- they offer good prints as well, and now they have this. Very nice.
- Raoul Pop
@Thomas Hawk: Everything we do at SmugMug is more BMW than Toyota, let alone BART, that's for sure. :)
- Don MacAskill
Having read the blog post, I can see the potential of it. Never mind the price, which is way too high for my taste at the moment (and Thomas is right to criticize your headline). But prices will come down. I like the concept of having a photo library somewhere up in the cloud that contains all master files "behind" the one final image on display. With a good UI and a Photoshop plugin that allowed direct editing from and saving to the cloud, this could completely replace apps like Lightroom in the future.
- Ole Begemann
Don: Wow. I like this thread esp. for the comments. I withdraw my request for a smugmug invite. That is a pretty elitist view of things. I will just wait until I fill my free off-site storage and then pay an "economy" photo hosting service.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
This just hit TechMeme http://tinyurl.com/6sxlsp Hey Gabe Rivera - how about including this thread on TechMeme?
- Mike Doeff
mike it hit because i linked to don :)
- Allen Stern
Brilliant! I love betting on the right horse. You go Smugmug!
- Leo Laporte
It would be awesome if Techmeme could include FF conversations! Seems like a natural fit, but the problem would be how could Techmeme know *which* of the conversations to append to the article. Sometimes the biggest conversation around an item will happen in the oddest place. Hard for Techmeme to know which is *officially* the related or best conversation.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm assuming you have to have a SmugMug account to use this in the first place? For someone like me with about 10GB of archives, the price would be good, but having to pay to join another photo site just for backup would deter me.
- Matt
Allen, Gabe recently mentioned that he was starting to look at FriendFeed as another source for discussion (see http://snurl.com/2nnk6 - Gabe's last comment). I think this is a case where it would make sense for Gabe's algorithm to include this in the discussion.
- Mike Doeff
@Thomas - here's one approach to your question about how Techmeme would "know" which conversations were best: http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008...
- Hutch Carpenter
@Mathew A. Koeneker: SmugMug invite? We don't require invites. We've been in production for more than 5 years - no invites required. Just a credit card. :) I'm not sure how I (we?) are being elitist, though - we're offering something both better and cheaper than anyone else. How is that elitist? Am I missing something?
- Don MacAskill
@Matt: You do need a SmugMug account, yes. They start at $40/year (unlimited JPEG/GIF/PNG storage), or roughly a latte a month. :)
- Don MacAskill
Is anyone else not surprised that Thomas Hawk is trying to crap on a thread about a competitor's product? A quick browse on his blog shows crapping on competition all over the place, while his own pet project flounders in obscurity.
- Jim
Hutch, great blog post, interesting method -- using activity by authoritative FF folk to determine which post to link right? Would love to see FF conversations on Techmeme as they definitely provide valuable commentary on the story.
- Thomas Hawk
@Don, I sent a Tweet about this about two hours ago but never got a chance to get back gere until now. Looks like a lot great discussion has been going on.
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
Jim, I don't view SmugMug as a competing product *at all.* I doubt Don does either, but maybe I'm wrong. Two very different markets and services. I actually like SmugMug as an service alot, and especially the people that work there, their high service and community engagement. I just wouldn't pay $440 a month for something like this. I call it like I see it. BART is not a competitor to BMW, even though both get you where you want to go.
- Thomas Hawk
@ Don: I was being a tad ironic as well as perhaps I misunderstood the post "@Thomas Hawk: Everything we do at SmugMug is more BMW than Toyota, let alone BART, that's for sure. :) - Don MacAskill" I like being frugal and wish that we had better public transportation in StL. I am OK if that is your target demographic (ie. BMW) but it seemed like a slam on those that are not.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Thomas - and yet you keep arguing a red herring. There is a huge difference between local storage and off-site storage. In order to replicate the security of storage in the clouds, you have to set up multiple synced off-site storage locations. There is a reason that lot of top photographers store their photos in banks and other secure vaults.
- Jim
@Thomas - that's right. Techmeme has a heavy bias for those who have been on Techmeme previously. Leverage that to identify conversational hot points.
- Hutch Carpenter
@Thomas - a perfect example is world famous photographer Jacques Lowe who stored 40,000 negatives of the Kennedy family in the safest location he could find. He stored them in a bank vault, and 11 years later they were all completely destroyed when 2 planes hit the World Trade Center, right next door. Off-site + redundancy is extremely important to a lot of photographers.
- Jim
Jim, I'm not arguing a red herring at all. $440 per month to store my archive is *not* "next to nothing." It's a perfectly valid point to make in light of the headline of the post. The fact that I can archive cheaper other ways is another point entirely -- but worth mentioning given that people might be looking for other cheaper alternatives. Maybe $440 per month is "next to nothing" for a rich guy like you, but it's not for me. Do you work for SmugMug?
- Thomas Hawk
@Mathew A. Koeneker: Oh, no, that wasn't a slam at all. I have a BMW, but I love BART too. But when we chose to build a business, we intentionally chose the premium space. Not only am I more interested in it, but the free / freemium / economy space is crowded and a rough business to be in. I built this business with an awful lot of sweat - I didn't want to get into a brawl with companies like Yahoo and Kodak, too.
- Don MacAskill
@Thomas - sorry, I was referring the ongoing Drobo discussion. Sticking right to the cost, I guess it is a matter of perspective. You are a prolific shooter, and have a sizable collection, so it will indeed cost you more. The question is how much the absolute security of those files are to you. It varies dramatically from photographer to photographer. For hobbyists with a big collection, I suppose the price would be a bigger deal. (continued, sorry... got too wordy)
- Jim
@Thomas - but imagine you are make your living from your photos, and you can virtually guarantee the safety of your life's work for $440 a month. I am definitely a hobbyist, but there are definitely some files I want to make 100% sure I never lose. So I am probably somewhere in between, and part of my library will find its way online.
- Jim
@Jim, $440 a month is *alot* of money Pal. Certainly not "next to nothing." You could by three drobos. Stick one at your mom's house in Florida and give another to your friend in Germany and network them all together -- and this would still be cheaper than buying this service, at least for me. I'm not sure the incremental "safety" of cloud storage over multiple location backups is worth it to me.
- Thomas Hawk
and you still haven't answered the question whether or not you work for SmugMug. You have a private FF account and are only known as "Jim." As far as I'm concerned you may as well be an anonymous shill.
- Thomas Hawk
Nice idea, but I'm not sold on the idea of cloud storage. Having multiple physical backups in different locations is very cost effective these days, and in the event of a catastrophic failure, restoring from the cloud is a time-consuming prospect. If you have enough data, shipping one of your other backups would be cheaper -- and faster -- than restoring TB's of data from the cloud.
- Jeremy Brooks
is it insured?
- Noah David Simon
I might as well be an anonymous shill, I am not a blogging/social sort of person. I registered just to post in this thread because your attitude bugs me. I used to subscribe to your blog because I love your photography, but got sick of your ranting and raving about everything. Unfortunately, I have now contributed to the crapfest this thread is... I'm out.
- Jim
I think the main thing going for a service like this is the simplicity of it, which may be worth the cost for some people.
- Jeremy Brooks
By the way, I'm not saying that this is a *bad* service. I'm sure that there are many customers at SmugMug who want this and at this price point. Otherwise they wouldn't be offering it. And I'm sure it's a good business for SmugMug as they probably make a differential between what they pay Amazon and what they charge their customers. Win-Win. I'm just saying it's not right for me is all.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm with Thomas here. All he took exception to was the headline "for next to nothing" and he's right on that.
- Ole Begemann
So Jim, you are posting here anonymously and only signed up for FF to post to *this specific* conversation about SmugMug, and yet you've been asked three times whether or not you work for SmugMug and you avoid answering the question every time. Okie dokie Pal, gotcha loud and clear. I'm sorry if my saying $440 per month doesn't sound like "next to nothing" to me hurts your feelings.
- Thomas Hawk
okay, I lied... I didn't quite leave yet. :( I am not from SmugMug. I just don't want to get into personal details, I am a private person. really out now, just didn't want to leave that hanging.
- Jim
...and this is pretty much what I was afraid would happen to FriendFeed eventually. I was just hoping for a bit more time. @Don, good luck on the launch. I always love to see other small businesses succeed, so I hope you guys make a bajillion dollars.
- jakebf
@Thomas, for the record, Don is subscribed to the feeds of all SmugMug employees that have FF accounts.
- David Parry
Personally, i travel like crazy for work. So having a drobo at home would be like cloud storage, but slower. I just wish this wasn't announced 2 days after i bought the program jungledisk for direct amazon storage.
- InsaneNinja
Wow, I go get some lunch and the thread devolves into trolling. Can has moderation? Let's get back to talking about the product, mmkay?
- Don MacAskill
@Don, Say you run Lightroom, and convert to DNG on import. You do your little changes to the DNG, which saves them as internal data. And then you upload the DNG file to SmugMug. ....Does SM show the resulting file in multiple sizes? Or should you also upload an LR-exported jpg for results/quality? I'm asking if you can skip the jpg step entirely.
- InsaneNinja
@InsaneNinja: You cannot skip the JPEG step entirely if you want to see all your edits, no. We just generate non-edited proofs. I'm hopeful that someday we can offer something even better, but for now, export both the JPEG and the DNG.
- Don MacAskill
And I envision a Lightroom like interface to the vault so you can browse and search the vault like you would your local albums, select the photo(s) you want to work on and put your work back when you're done, somewhere safe. Which I'm giddy about to build, you know, when they invent 30hr days.... Also, for me this is going to be for the images that are very valuable to me either emotionally or monitarily, not everything, which solves the 'where will my important photos be in 15 years' problem.
- Sam
@Don: That makes sound business sense on a lot of levels. )BTW, I think that this is the first time I saw what would appear to be troll induced flickers of flame.)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I wouldnt say its trolling on the program, as much as it is Thomas having a problem specifically with the slogan "everything for nothing," due to his immense collection. As for me personally, i've created 30 gigs this month and i consider it slacking.
- InsaneNinja
Well, if nothing else this string has forced me to think more seriously about improving my current backup solution of copying to an external hard drive.
- Matt
Oh, I wasn't referring to Thomas. ;)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Two questions: One, how on earth is uploading my entire archive going to happen ( I've got 50+ GB and rising fast- my upload speed is terrible even with broadband in the UK - talk about progress and being a First World Country) and Two is there API support for this???
- Roberto Bonini
I just put $2 in a special place in my wallet so that I'll always have it there. For the rest of my life whenever I'm asked for money on the street I am going to offer whoever asks $2 in exchange for taking their portrait. I'll also get their name and try to learn a little about them.
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I really like this concept. I think I will steal this idea from you.
- Jeremy Hall
That's a great idea
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
That is an amazing idea! Absolutely brilliant :-)
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
from twhirl
Wow! Considering the number of such instances that one comes across; it is potentially an huge number of subjects! I'm gonna steal this idea as well!
- Parth Awasthi
idea now officially stolen! Nice one Thomas!
- jerry
Technically, not a street, but this is the information highway...can I have $2? You may need a 12,000,000,00mm to get my portrait though ;)
- Ace
better not forget the wallet ;-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Ace, if you run into me physically on the street and ask me for it I'll give it to you. ;)
- Thomas Hawk
Stolen in LA as well.
- Tsega Dinka
Dobromir, my wallet and 5D go with me everywhere. And since I plan on carrying a camera around with me for the rest of my life this shouldn't be a hassle.
- Thomas Hawk
Good idea.
- Mary Anne Davis
I've thought about doing this - I think it would be cool if you had 3 set questions you asked each subject. This could turn into an interesting project.
- Sam Purtill
I hope you didn't get a patent on this idea cause I may have to still it too :)
- Sam Purtill
it was a joke Thomas I carry my wallet wherever I go too, just sometimes it's hard to find :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I would want more than 2 dollars :)
- Photo Larry
from twhirl
Need a flickr group $1 photos
- Yolanda
If you caught that youtube video about fake panhandlers, beware who you give those $2 out, they could be making more than you an hour!
- Colby Olson
Some people might want more than $2 and some people might not want to do it at all. But that would be their choice. I suspect others might appreciate the human interaction in addition to the money. I don't mind if a fake panhandler got $2 from me if I got his portrait.
- Thomas Hawk
You could create the first location based DB with profiles for panhandlers :-)
- Gabriel Biguria
I see a new flickr group in the making... $2 portraits Cool idea TH
- gfurry
Beautiful idea, I love it.
- Brandon Wood
PayPal me the $2 and I'll send you a photo, save you the bother of getting your camera out :-)
- Anthony Burns
Gabriel, sadly that already exists. Will you guys make sure to follow through on this! I want to see these portraits.
- Frankie Warren
Will beg for Flickr
- TranceMist
When did the going rate for panhandling go up to $2? Now I know why they stopped asking me. I've still been giving a buck.
- Kevin Shannon
Check out the 100 Strangers group on Flickr. Here's what they're doing: Step out of your comfort zone to a new level of portrait photography. Start by taking 100 portraits of people you don't know. The idea: The One Hundred Strangers project is a learning group for people who want to improve the social and technical skills needed for taking portraits of strangers and telling their...
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- Lisa L. Seifert
Stupid comment character limit... And the rest: Who are they? What is their life like? Try to tell a small story with each photo you take. This may be a story about the person or how you felt approaching that particular individual. You may have, for example, tried a new approach or used a new photographic technique. Try to learn something from every encounter you make. http://www.flickr.com/groups...
- Lisa L. Seifert
Lisa, I love the 100 Strangers Group. Trejack was working on this in Las Vegas when we were there. Has anyone done it in a single day yet?
- Thomas Hawk
Sounds like a good idea...
- Mike Wills
you have a good heart. That's an awesome idea ! And the idea of blogging what they tell you -- that's awesome. Maybe you should put your $2 in the camera phone sleeve ...
- General Kafka
Thomas, that is awesome. Forgive me for stealing it from you.
- Joe Mac Stevens
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