1605: leaves fall from a tree and become fish / birds
- Michael Kuhn
Many good scientists have had problems with society, but it is not sufficient to have problems with society to be a good scientist. :)
- Allyson Lister
not much progress in bio during 17th century
- Michael Kuhn
Next came the concept that individuals are contingent artefacts invented by genes to be reproduced.
- Allyson Lister
Information will either grow or disappear according to the efficiency of the avatar it produced.
- Allyson Lister
Biologists historically have had problems dealing with thinking about material things as information. DNA -> RNA is *not* equivalent to C + O2 -> CO2. The information appears in RNA without any transfer of material
- Allyson Lister
Biologists not trained in thinking about information (or no distinction between matter, information). Genetics about the fluxes of information, physiology about matter and energy
- Oliver Hofmann
we do know what matter is, but have no idea about what information is
- Diego M. Riaño-Pachón
@Johann - definitely the quote of the keynote - do we get a final vote at the end? ;)
- Allyson Lister
Proportion / contribution of genes and environment difficult to determine -- which part of the observed variation is due to the variation in genes vs variation in environment? We are just partitioning a given sample.
- Oliver Hofmann
results are contingent on the data, change in the data e.g., environment change results/inferences. Must be make clear to the public.
- Diego M. Riaño-Pachón
Conclusion: We need to build a concept of information, we need to be able to measure it
- Michael Kuhn
information remains a fuzzy concept in biology. Effort by computer scientist and biologist must be put into clearing this up
- Diego M. Riaño-Pachón
great first question -- nuremberg was the transition between near-unanimous support among scientists for eugenics to opposition. What was it that changed? (not sure I understand the answer, which focused on analogy to current GMO debate)
- Andrew Su
Personal view: Not sure that the definition and conceptualisation of information, per se, need to be greatly extended beyond that provided by Shannon and his intellectual progeny. This may simply be another case where expertise accumulated in other fields has yet to be applied fully to Biology. Open to being corrected on this…
- Johann Visagie
Open Question: Would it be possible that eugenetics is a manner by which people in favor of eugenetics express their instincts of survival?
- Remi Gagne