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Scoble, Alex Scoble

Scoble, Alex Scoble

Gamer, home theater enthusiast, IT Security professional ex-CISSP, lover of cats, married to the always wonderful and compassionate (and passionate) Cassie.
It has taken me a long time and many hours of personal experience (is that redundant?) to learn that if after point and counterpoint two people don't agree, it is very unlikely that they will come to agreement with further argument.
So unless one is looking for an evening of fun, arguments and trolling, it's best to stop there. I'm sure the people of friendfeed wish I had learned this 3 years ago. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I disagree. - Akiva
That's not really a point, but I disagree with your disagreement. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Although, I'm not exactly sure what you are disagreeing to, so yes. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
In all seriousness, I'd go a few rounds of point/counterpoint before I assess whether it's worth further discussion. - Akiva
Alex, according to Steam you've been playing APB Reloaded for 2 weeks straight. Please log out. - Rodfather from Android
Agreed with Akiva. I have frequently been in argu-sations where one party or the other wasn't really swayed (or had their viewpoint expanded) until after about 3 or so rounds. After that, the likelihood definitely falls off a cliff, though. - Chieze Okoye
You are wrong!!!! - NOT THE CRICKET
I am looking for an evening of fun, arguments, and trolling. - Professor A.I.
Any bets on when CentOS 7 will be released? -
March 2015 at the earliest. - Julian
(I've been so out of it that I did not even notice that RHEL 7 came out three weeks ago.) - Julian
The official release is getting closer! - imabonehead
Windows support is coming to Ansible soon. That's cool. Puppet needs the competition to keep them refining Puppet Enterprise. -
Here's hoping that all this experience that I'm gaining with the Ceph distributed storage solution on Linux won't go to waste. CRUSH FTW! -
Only 9 lightbulbs out of 58 left in the house that are not LEDs. I love LED lights. There's little reason now to buy anything else to replace medium screw in type base (your traditional lightbulb type) bulbs up to 75 watt equivalent. Costco and Home Depot sell these bulbs at prices that make even CFL bulbs look expensive.
Not to mention that LED bulbs contain no mercury. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I've always thought of CFLs as a transitional technology and I won't be sad to see them go. I never really worried about the mercury in them much though, because depending on how you get your power (like if it's coal), the amount of mercury in a CFL was less than the amount of mercury that would have been released into the air by the power plant generating the power you would have used if you hadn't put in the CFL. - Brian Johns
i've replaced all but two of our many 100 watt incandescent outdoor floods with equivalent output LED bulbs. the mothership WILL know where to land! - Big Joe Silence
I bought a multi-pack of CFLs eight years ago. A pack of six, I believe. Three of them are still unused. Might be time to switch over to LEDs... - Julian
Making the LED switch as well. The lunatic fringe carping about making incandescents illegal cracks me up. You can buy LEDs every bit as warm as incandescents and they last so much longer. - Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
The only place I've had trouble are with some older, dome lighting fixtures. Some of those are either too narrow, or too short, to fit most of the LED or fluorescent bulbs I've bought. The domes were mostly easy to replace with slightly larger versions, but I did have to replace them. - Jennifer Dittrich
Add "steel sharpens steel" as another metaphor that I love to hate. Steel does not, in fact sharpen steel. Two swords clashing dull each other. And even when a steel refers to a diamond steel, a diamond steel only hones a blade, it doesn't sharpen it.
O.o Do you mean iron sharpens iron? As in the biblical quote? - Soup in a TARDIS
Technically, a sharpening stone not only doesn't sharpen but it doesn't even really truly hone: - Stephen Mack from iPhone
But I suppose "undeforming steel" wouldn't catch on. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Stalone and company have shown supreme command over the art form of gratuitous violence in film and have distilled numerous years of knowledge down into a series known as The Expendables. Formulaic? Sure. Trite? Ok. Throwback to the golden age of action movies known as the '80s? Most definitely. Pure fun? Absolutely.
There's definitely something to be said for a bunch of actors getting together and just enjoying being together on screen. It worked for some of the Star Trek movies, the George Clooney Ocean's Eleven movies and it works for the Expendables too. High art? Believable? Sensitive? Nuanced? You gotta be kidding me...and sometimes that's exactly the point. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Meeting another Alex Scoble for lunch on Friday. Hope the universe doesn't collapse in on itself.
There can be only one! - Todd Hoff
As long as neither of you divide by zero, the multiverse should be fine. - Steven Perez from Android
I hope one of you makes a reservation for one and each arriving claiming that reservation. - Janet from FFHound!
I wish I could find good market share data for virtualization services (KVM, VMware, Hyper-V, etc.)
The friendfeed World Community Grid team is now in the top 1000 of all teams for total points generated.
With only one member. - NOT THE CRICKET
Correction: Mostly one member. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oddly enough, the person I see posting the most about this isn't the one with the most points. - John (bird whisperer)
John, that's actually surprising to me. Alex seems to always be posting about it. - NOT THE CRICKET
Yep, this sums up pretty nicely why I switched from Android to iPhone
That sums up nicely why I bought a Nexus 4 last year. All the Android without the wait. Most of the Android users that haven't updated are in that boat because their carriers won't push the updates to them, not because they've chosen to wait. - Holly's favorite Anna
Yep, Anna, that also sums it up nicely. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
T-Mobile? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yup. I might switch to AT&T for better roaming, but so far it hasn't been enough of a problem to pay the extra $40/mo. - Holly's favorite Anna
Yeah, that's a problem I have with the Google reference phones. Currently only fully supported by T-Mobile and they have the worst network of the big 4 US carriers. I'm currently on Sprint and want to switch to Verizon in December because Verizon has the best network. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
But I have several coworkers that have a Google reference phone on T-Mobile and they seem to like it. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I left Verizon for it. Miss the network coverage, but don't miss waiting 6-8 months for an OS update. - Holly's favorite Anna
And there it is. Just got the official announcement from Amazon that the price of prime is going from $79 a year to $99 a year.
Us too. Doing it? - Todd Hoff
Keeping it. Yup. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
we're also keeping it. still worth it to us. - Big Joe Silence
I'm ending the automatic renewal. The benefits of Amazon doesn't seem all that great now that purchases are taxed in California. I could wait a bit longer than 2-day shipping. I mostly use Netflix for streaming. - Rodfather
I really need to change my LinkedIn page to reflect that I'm primarily only interested in DevOps positions now.
So how come you're so interested in devops than security? :P - imabonehead
It's 100 times more fun and intellectually stimulating. I also think that there's more future demand for DevOps. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
And really, it's pretty hard to do security without DevOps. With it, it's actually possible to ensure that systems stay in a known secure state. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
hehe, i'm just pulling your leg...using puppet via mcollective :P - imabonehead
Sorry, the cert you supplied doesn't match that on record for imabonehead. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Sorry, no class 'leg' found for node ITBlogger. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oh and PE 3.2 is out now, ima. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Too bad that PE 3.2 has some issues. It's currently broken on our two research/development systems. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
What's with all these thirty somethings who don't know who Carl Sagan is or about his show Cosmos.
I know who Sagan was, of course, but I didn't ever watch Cosmos. My TV watching was pretty limited when I was younger, we didn't have many channels, and somehow that one never made it in. - Jennifer Dittrich
Thirty-somethings would have been pretty young when Cosmos aired. I know who he was and have a vague recollection of Cosmos, but I was 3 years old at the time it first aired. When he died I was a teenager. And the most important parts of his scientific career were well before I was born. - John (bird whisperer)
Who is Carl Sagan? - NOT THE CRICKET
A lot older than 30, and while I knew who Carl Sagan was, we tried a bit of the original Cosmos and couldn't handle Sagan's speaking style. NdGT is much better. (I also appreciate the irony of the new Cosmos being on Fox--even though apparently some creationists are convinced it's on PBS, the new 18-minutes-of-ads-per-hour PBS, I guess.) - Walt Crawford
Walt: did you see where an Oklahoma station ran a news promo during the 15 seconds that evolution was mentioned in Cosmos? - Betsy
I didn't; wonder what kind of "editing error" that station will use if there's an episode that actually deals with evolution? Maybe a sudden power outage? (Fortunately, my view of Oklahoma will always be based on Tom Paxton, therefore favorable...) - Walt Crawford
I really did feel pretty bad for that Bruno guy though. How much can one Star Gazer stand. Obviously a heck of a lot. - macgeek61
There's no other place besides inside of our own heads where we can truly be ourselves.
What words or phrases am I not supposed to use here? (examples: totes, amazeballs, awesomesauce, etc.)
You're grown. Do as you will! - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Oh come now, Stephen, surely you have words that bother you when they are used. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
*slams Complete Oxford Dictionary on the table* ;) - Johnny from iPhone
*___________________* (translation: Johnny wins) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The whole 20 volume set? - Joe
It's a big table. - Johnny from iPhone
Moist. - Steve C am I supposed to describe a good cake now? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Delicious? ;-) - CAJ hates pants from Android
But that doesn't cover it when the cake is you know, the opposite of dry. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
"This cake is not dry." - Betsy
"I'm right because it's true." - NOT THE CRICKET
'This cake is humid.' - Akiva
This cake is drenched in awesomesauce...oh wait...I can't say that either. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I've ignored all word bans, to great effect. - Steven Perez from Android
Oh, Steven, I'm sure I'll ignore this post in a week or so too, but I thought it would be fun. Particularly since Rodfather gave me a gentle ribbing for using "totes". I bet he has me hidden though. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
If totes is good enough for great actors, it's good enough for FF. Totes good enough. Amazeballs, however, is grounds for applying California's Stand Your Ground statute in all its glory. - Walt Crawford
It's not enough for scientists to say "I disagree" with published peer reviewed studies on a subject. They actually have to do studies/experiments on their own to back that up in order to have any relevance on a subject outside of Fox News.
Seriously, giving review articles and editorials equal weight with actual observational studies and experiments is a rookie mistake. - Victor Ganata
Citing multiple review articles by the same lead author as evidence that there are lots and lots of skeptics is an example of bad faith and borders on willful deception. - Victor Ganata
That link is a direct rebuttal of the slate link. - Eric Logan
Like I've said before, real science is adversarial, not authoritative. If someone had the data to prove that CO2 emissions weren't causing global warming, it would be published, cited and re-cited, and built upon. Overturning existing paradigms is where the fame and fortune is at in science. That all the skeptics have got are arguments by authority in review papers and editorials is very telling. - Victor Ganata
How many studies do you want ? - Eric Logan
Certainly more than one. And an actual study, not a review article or editorial. - Victor Ganata
And also, maybe from more recently than 1988. - Andrew C (✔)
Ok. I will as soon as I get home, but why more recently than 1988 ? Honest question based on these facts since 1988 we had a decade of .2 degrees warming followed by 17 years of a hiatus. The hiatus was denied for years now there are hundreds of peer reviewed papers trying to explain it. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
"but why more recently than 1988 ?" Because we've had a lot more data since then, not just in years but in types of data. Whether or not that piece's claims panned out or not, a more recent paper would be more convincing. - Andrew C (✔)
Sorry for the multiple posts. I can't wait to turn my iPhone back on I hate this Moto X, but that is a different debate. This is a recent commentary written by Lindzen a former lead author of chapter 7 of the AR3 it gets to the crux of some of the problems surrounding the polarization of this debate. - Eric Logan
Yes, one could certainly see how Lindzen would see political pressure as the problem rather than himself. ( ) Also, considering the US had two oil men driving policy from 2000 to 2008, I find it very difficult to believe that "politics" drives completely and totally towards AGW science. The same two fuckers managed... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew no speed reader could read that fast. He explains oil men's involvement at length in the commentary. It's an ad hominem attack that you just posted. if you don't want to address the actual article I understand. It poses hard questions and real examples of corruption of peer review. It is also well notated. - Eric Logan
The link in question on this thread claims that there are only 24 peer reviewed studies disputing AGW since 1991 that claim is patently false. On the recovery from the Little Ice Age. - Eric Logan
Of course, I just skimmed it. Mind you, his entire claim is "politics is distorting climate science", which is definitely ad hominem. - Andrew C (✔)
But yes, my pointing out that he's a clown who actively takes pains to ignore contrary evidence to his theories is ad hominem; I just feel it's kinda relevant all the same. - Andrew C (✔)
Lead author clown. - Eric Logan
So, another review article. OK. - Victor Ganata
"Lead author clown" - yes. If he makes consistently wrong claims and refuses to accept contrary evidence and can produce no satisfactory evidence of his own for support, that's more than enough reason to think he's a clown. - Andrew C (✔)
This peer reviewed paper of his seems prescient in hindsight. Can increasing carbon dioxide cause climate change? - Eric Logan
LOL, another review paper? - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Sorry, I was addressing the ad hominem about Lindzen former lead author now clown. The vast majority of what is commonly referred to as climate science are peer reviewed papers. Show me a properly tested and validated climate model ? - Eric Logan
Synchronized Chaos: Mechanisms For Major Climate Shifts. - Eric Logan
In the Lindzen paper which I linked and was published in 1997 he said this "Indirect estimates, based on response to volcanos, suggest sensitivity may be as small as 0.3–0.5°C for a doubling of CO2" Since 1997 CO2 has increased a little over 10%. While temperature has increased by .05. .05 X 10 = .5. So far he's right the modelers are the clowns. - Eric Logan
Oy vey...I give up. Links to scientific principia? Yeah, get back to me when you've found a credible resource.
I think that the climate science deniers are all just playing one big skin game mashed up with Calvin Ball. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yep, I've taken it as far as it can go. When people post crap as science and argue that I'm saying it's not reputable because it's not coming from one of my pro-climate change sources, there's just no way to move the conversation forward. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Wow, so much craziness and willful ignorance on Google+...I thought it was supposed to be where all the techies are. #climatechangetrolls
Perhaps it's a sign that google+ has gone mainstream. - imabonehead
Techie doesn't mean not insane. ;) - holly #ravingfangirl
Yeah, McAfee is proof of that. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Wait, Google+ is still a thing? - Soup in a TARDIS
Considering that the argumenting over climate change is still going, Soup, yep, it's still a thing...and it has a large number of the willfully ignorant. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
That's why I love FF. Less climate change trolls. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
I love it. People comparing sticking to facts to religion. I'm also being blamed for hating SUVs or wanting to tax people into oblivion. How can you even have a policy debate when so many people refuse to accept a theory strongly backed by evidence, peer review, data, etc.? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
All I want is one credible link to a theory that counters human made climate change with credible evidence to go with it. Is that so much to ask? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Orkut started out full of Googlers, and it soon became apparent that people one or two degrees away from Googlers could be very stupid. Also, Orkut itself had some abysmally stupid policies, so. - Andrew C (✔)
In the past month or so on Facebook I've seen interesting ads for a men's clothing service that would send you a like an outfit a month and I also saw one for a food service that would send you ingredients and a recipe for a meal.
Both services were significantly flawed which is a shame because otherwise they would be getting my money on a recurring basis. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The clothes service would send pants, but you'd have to get the pants altered to the right length. Great, so every month I'd have to get a random pair of pants altered to my length. How does that make sense? The food service only allows you to do 3 meals a week. At $10 per person per meal, that's $60 a week and I have no idea how good the service is, nor do we really have time to cook 3 meals a week. Why not offer an option for 1 meal a week? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Do they not test these services out on real people before going live? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I have 3-4 friends who swear by Blue Apron food service like that. I've seen the food it looks amazing. I'm sure sure what the service you saw was, though. - Tamara J. B. from FFHound(roid)!
uh do they sell pants that you don' t have to get altered? I've never bought a pair that didn't need a visit to a tailor - Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Unless you are getting your pants custom made you probably do get (or should be getting) your clothes altered (or doing it yourself). Pants in particular. Unless you are unspeakably lucky, of course. - Soup in a TARDIS from FFHound!
I have no problems finding jeans or khakis that fit me sans alteration. Tamara, Blue Apron was the food service. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I can't imagine getting my pants hemmed one a month, I've done it like three times in my entire life, and not willingly. - Todd Hoff
Seriously? Gentlemen, gentlemen, alterations are important and (with very little work) cheap! *sends Clinton Kelly in your general direction* - Soup in a TARDIS
Huh. Haven't had to have pants altered (other than suit pants) in years and years. Either lucky or because some places offer a wide range of fairly precise inseam sizes. Admittedly, I don't wear fancy or expensive pants (or jeans, but that's a separate issue): Pretty much all Lands End and LL Bean at this point. - Walt Crawford
All the slacks I buy come with an uncut leg. You have to get them altered unless you're like 7 feet. - Jeff (Team マクダジ ) from iPhone
Regarding slacks, I agree, Jeff. Most of the pants I'd get from would be khakis or jeans though. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Well the jeans I buy only come in one inseam which is much too long for me so I have to get them altered. - Jeff (Team マクダジ ) from iPhone
If laughter is the best medicine, Harold Ramis was one of the best pharmacists around. He helped create so many great comedic moments and more than a few dramatic ones as well in all of the movies that he was part of. He'll definitely be missed.
This is pretty awesome. Disney ultimately released Frozen in 41 different languages (25 of them are covered here) and they had to find different singers and voice actors for the bulk of them.
This is pretty awesome. Disney ultimately released Frozen in 41 different languages (25 of them are covered here) and they had to find different singers and voice actors for the bulk of them.
You'd hardly know it listening to the video though, they did such a great job of casting singers for the multiple languages. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I can't believe I haven't seen it yet. It's already out on DVD. Need to see it as I've heard such good things about it. - Spidra Webster
This is such a sweet video These dogs are so gentle and cute. I hope they all found good homes. Pretty sad that they were cooped up in labs for so long.
The Death Of Expertise -
Some people may think that it's ironic that I'm posting this, but whatever, I'm posting it anyhow. - Scoble, Alex Scoble from Bookmarklet
It's really not as bad as all that. It's really more the death of the credentials of expertise. You can't just intimidate people with your diplomas or certifications or job titles or your privileged position in society any more. You actually have to earn people's trust the old fashioned way. - Victor Ganata
Recognizing that science and logic have limits != death of Western Civilization. People really need to get over that. - Victor Ganata
Yes, which is really inefficient. The author isn't talking about intimidation, he's talking about the notion that if we really want to be involved in a conversation, we have to understand how to have a conversation and be able to talk intelligently about the topic at hand. He's saying if you can't do those things, you probably shouldn't make opinions about something. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
And as he said, it's not a good thing at all that people listen to someone like Jenny McCarthy over the experts on vaccinations and disease. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I just realized how ironic it is that we are discussing this, LOL. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
It comes down to trust, though. If I don't think you know what the hell you're talking about, it really doesn't matter if you have a bunch of letters after your name or a piece of paper on your wall. I mean, yeah, anti-vaxxers have caused documentable harm, but, realistically, there's probably *nothing* that will convince them, expertise or no. No, this article is more about freaking out about the loss of privilege. - Victor Ganata
It's more like complaining about the transfer of privilege from the intellectuals to the popular. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I really felt for the section of this that talked about the continuous revisiting of first-principles in debate because new people come in and make a lot of noise and they know nothing about the topic. So the debate goes around and around on the same basic crap because people can't be bothered to come up to speed. - Andy Bakun
There's also good faith, though. I mean, it doesn't take *that* long to figure out who really has an interest in learning something versus people who are just trolling. This is a brave new interconnected world with shifting privileges that we're living in, and there's no use crying over what was. - Victor Ganata
I agree, Andy. Anyhow, Victor, I posted this because I thought it was interesting and does highlight many of the problems of the democratization of discourse that the internet has brought, but it doesn't mean that it's totally right either. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I also found it interesting because I am "guilty" of what the author charges. I don't care what someone's credentials are, or how many followers they have, or whatever. If I think they've said something wrong, I'll say so. I've also jumped all over people who've said things that are obviously stupid. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
It's a tiresome argument in itself, to be honest. You hear it all the time from old school docs who fret about not being able to force patients to do what the old school docs think is best. Well, those days are gone, we have to live in the present, not mourn the past the will never be again. - Victor Ganata
Except that humans are practically bred to mourn, heh. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Well, no one likes losing their privileges, especially when they think they've earned them. That's definitely human nature. - Victor Ganata
It almost feels like this guy is railing against skepticism. Which is kind of ironic since skepticism is one of the core principles of science. - Victor Ganata
Yes, but he's railing against a lot of things. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I mean, even experts succumb to the bike shed trap. I just think that anything we can do to prevent people from falling for fallacious crap like the whole anti-vaccine thing is a good thing. I agree with you though, that he doesn't have an answer for that. Then again, neither do I. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I take pride in not using umlauts, circumflexes and other non-English symbols in non-English words that should have them.
....why? - Soup in a TARDIS
It's so trivial to use them in OS X or iOS, there's no excuse not to. Oh, wait. - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Because I'm far too lazy to do it. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
So you're proud of being lazy? - Soup in a TARDIS
Technically, it's a spelling error. - Brent Schaus
Extremely proud, Soup. Extremely. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Error as in doing something wrong, perhaps...error as in making a mistake, since it's intentional, no. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
And how is it easy to do in iOS? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Wait, Alex, are you suggesting if you make a mistake on purpose, it's not an error? - Akiva
If you do it on purpose, it's not a mistake. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I'm going to catch hell for saying that in 3...2...1... - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Nope. I'm just going to walk away. - Akiva
In iOS, long press any vowel on the virtual keyboard. Voilà! - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Well that's no fun, Akiva. After reading wikipedia I'd say that it's more correct to say that if you do something wrong on purpose, then it's an error. If it happens because of a fault or accident, then it's a mistake. So yes, I am purposefully committing an error. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
It's incredibly easy in both iOS and OSx... What you're doing is arbitrary and strange, like me deciding that it's "easier" for me to leave the 'e' out of your name when I type, then being proud of the fact that I'm too lazy to type the e, and too stubborn to change. Of course, its you're world, Alx, we jest liv innit. - Bren from iPhone
Cool, thanks, Victor. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Right now I am neither on iOS or OS X. I am often arbitrary and strange, so yes. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Heh, the universe commands that all of those 'e's end up somewhere, Breeen. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
If someone knows of an easy way to type that sort of thing on Windows, I'm all ears. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Character Map. Unless you're talking mobile Windows, in which case I have no idea. - Spidra Webster
That's what I thought...lazy I shall stay. Thanks though. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Thanks for sharing. - Rodfather from Android
In windows there are Alt- commands for everything. Having to write papers in French burned them into my memory... - Bren from iPhone
Unfortunately Alt codes don't work that way on all keyboards. On mine the code for ö (Alt+0246) reloads the page. The codes for é and è work, though. - John (bird whisperer)
Weird. That's why I like OSx. :) - Bren from iPhone
Î dìśàgręē wīth Ãłéx. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Well played, Stephen. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
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Dammit Akiva It's true because he's right. - NOT THE CRICKET
You guys are redonkulous. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Just looked up the definition of mistake. It says "an act or judgement that is misguided or wrong."........................ - Johnny from iPhone
Scoble pride in full effect. - Akiva
That's such a sign of respect towards different languages and cultures, Scoble. Thank you, you're my personal american hero. - Gatto Nero
I thought "disrespectful," too. Plus harder to read for those of us who know the sounds, because umlaut is not decoration. - Eivind from Android
Alex should then NOT be upset to those not knowing or too lazy to identify your/you're, there/their/they're, scents/sense! *j/k* - Janet
(Anyone else on a Mac getting some kind of typographical mishmash smeared over the six comments after John's comment about Alt 0246? I tried three browsers and it's in all of them.) - Betsy
Someone did that, and i see it on my Android. And on my PC. - Uli from Android
Interesting. As more comments are added, the typographical smear shifts downwards. So it's not attached to a comment, it's attached to the end of the post. - Betsy
It's attached to Akiva's post, I don't see it shifting downward. But you can move the page so that it expands/collapses. - NOT THE CRICKET
That typographical mess has been appearing occasionally elsewhere on FF, so it's not unique to this thread. - John (bird whisperer)
Mäybe it's the Ümläüts thät äre döing this? Jüst ä thöüght. - Uli
Or maybe it's Älèx's lack of them. - John (bird whisperer)
John, yeah but it only shows up if someone does it with top-to-bottom symbols. The mess here is Akiva's fault. - NOT THE CRICKET
When I saw it earlier, on three browsers, the typographical mess was stretched out across four or five comments. Now it's compressed on one post. It's alive! It's alive! - Betsy
Yeah, it expands when it gets to a certain point in the browser. And you can scroll it off the screen and it will collapse until you scroll it back. - NOT THE CRICKET
[courtsies] - Akiva
Also, Gatto Nero pretty much dropped the mic on the whole thing. Boom. - Akiva
Sorry, that you're just now finding this out, but I'm American, so if you are not, my time is more valuable than yours. Deal. **flies to some random country and trashes a room in a 5 star hotel** - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Sarcasm, Jimminy, sarcasm. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Anyone got any good healthy dairy free casserole recipes that don't also contain fish of any kind?
Wish I could help you. - Spidra Webster
Maybe something like a chicken pot pie? - Big Fat Yeast Roll! from Android
Sorry, I only have cåssérølè recipes. - Akiva
Akiva, that made me laugh. :) - Anne Bouey
Irish stew? you can also use beef instead of lamb, and there are tons of recipes out there. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Do you pronounce sudo as sue-doo or sue-doe or su-su-sudio?
I pronounce it as sue-doe. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I pronounce it "Run as Administrator" - Jemm
sue-doe - rönin
I started pronouncing it su-su-sudio somewhere in the 80's - Marco(aureliusmaximus)
That's awesome, Marco, hehe. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Anyone else? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
i pronouce it as "root" :P - imabonehead
I don't say that out loud. - John (bird whisperer)
I've never said that word in my life. - Derrick
I say su-doe. Jeff says sue-doo. It's a common debate here. - Rochelle
sue-doe - DB, Lil LB's Dad
I <3 you Derrick. May you always remain a sudo virgin. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Is this a question for Linux nerds? Or a surreptitious request for spelling correction? - Bren from iPhone
I'll try my best. - Derrick
It's like playdough but instead of playing you sue so it's more adult sounding. - Todd Hoff
LOL, Bren, not just for Linux nerds. UNIX nerds can participate too. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Coolio. - Bren from iPhone
I have a good one, but it is quite misogynist. - Julian
Sue doo - Victor Ganata
Oh well, Victor, we had to have something to argue about. :D Other than compulsory voting that is, hehe. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Another sue-doo here, as well. Used to be sue-doe for a short time, till I learned what it actually stood for, then sue-doo made more sense. - April Russo
I think that saying it like pseudo makes more sense since it allows you to act as pseudo root. Of course this means that the original creators had such a sense of humor, but they may not have. I just can't say sue doo after hearing every other UNIX/Linux admin I've ever known for the last 20 years call it sudoe. I hadn't heard sue doo used until yesterday and it struck me as such a comical way to say it that I started this thread in multiple places. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I don't know how true this is, but the etymology Wikipedia presents is that it's from 'su' and the verb 'do' because it lets you do things as the superuser. I think this is supported by the fact that the config file is /etc/sudoers, i.e., "su doers" which basically lists the users who can do things as the superuser. - Victor Ganata
Yes, that appears to be true, but it's not nearly as neat plus it makes it sound too close to doo doo. Anyhow, I think this is one of those things where both are now accepted as proper pronunciation. No need for us to create another internet war, unless you really want to have fun and waste a few minutes of your life doing it. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I think it's also a bit of a slice of life that someone, and I doubt I'm the only one, can go through over 20 years working or living in a space and not be aware of things that happened within that space. So much knowledge is out there that even in a given field we won't encounter most of it. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
"Sue-doe" - Tyson Key
Sue-DOH! - Eivind
Heh, I guess Eivind's is what Homer Simpson would say after he just realized he had typed sudo rm -rf * while he was in / - Victor Ganata from iPhone
I am on record as having pronounced it "sue-doo." - Julian
sue-dough - Janet
Sue-dew make me a sandwich. - Ken Gidley from iPhone
su-su-sudio - Colette
sue-doh - Kevin Johnson
Cassie and I were woken up at around 3:45 am this morning (Saturday morning) by a loud boom. Have no idea what it was.
Are you on a boat? - NOT THE CRICKET
No, we were in bed in our house in Beaverton, OR. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
You have a boom on your house? ;) - NOT THE CRICKET
This thread is apparently a comedy routine. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Goodbye Sony and Microsoft, one of these is likely to be my next gaming console
I think I just realized that Microsoft isn't really going after the gaming market with the XBOne, but rather is going after the same market that Roku, Apple TV, Google ChromeCast and others are in.
For me as a gamer, this is pretty depressing. Between the PC, Xbox 360 and Apple TV, there's no room for yet another internet connected "TV" device in my house. I'm sure that a lot of people will love it as a device, I just won't be one of them. Microsoft really needed to have backwards compatibility between the XBOne and the 360 to even have a change at getting my money. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Requiring an XBox Gold subscription seems counterproductive if that's really their target - Victor Ganata
I think they're going for it all. Gaming and home entertainment. Actually it would be good for you since it comes with a HDMI in port. You can connect the Apple TV or whatever to it. Forget about backwards compatibility. They're totally different hardware. PS4 won't have backwards compatibility either. - Rodfather
Sorry, but the totally different hardware argument doesn't fly for me. They could have done it if they wanted to, one way or another, and they would have been much more likely to get my money since I still play plenty of 360 games and there are no compelling XBOne titles. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
For multiplayer, it makes sense, especially since the PS4 requires PlayStation Plus, but I don't see how it can even compete with Chromecast or Apple TV or anything else that's free after the price of the device. Consider that one year of XBox Gold is more expensive than a Chromecast and half the price of an AppleTV. - Victor Ganata
Alex, that's bullshit, they would have had to shove a complete 360 chipset into the thing, plus extra hardware and software. So the device would cost an extra $100-200 easily. Which isn't worth it for either company. The whole reason both chose this architecture is that it is commonplace and makes porting across systems much simpler (better for all gamers). Both companies learned their lesson with the PS3. - NOT THE CRICKET
Hell, you need 3+Ghz to emulate a SNES accurately, and good luck finding a 3Ghz CPU in most commodity computers, when even modern games don't require that. - NOT THE CRICKET
It's all about the games for me. When there's a compelling title on either system, I'll pick it up. Last year, gaming on the Nintendo 3DS and Vita have been some of my best gaming experiences ever. I also caught up with a lot of PS3 exclusives. There's so many good games out there. - Rodfather
Yeah, I think the XBox One makes sense as a gaming machine, less so for anything else. - Victor Ganata
For someone who doesn't game much and would mostly use the Xbox One for Netflix, then it doesn't make much sense to pick it up. Yeah, it's silly Xbox Live is required for those apps. - Rodfather
Pinkman, what? I was running an SNES emulator very acceptably (maybe not 100% perfectly) about ten years ago, on a then-midrange PC. - Andrew C (✔)
Yeah, you don't need much. I have a SNES emulator and Zelda Link to the Past on my phone. The DS emulator works well on my phone too. I'm pretty sure there's a N64 and PSP emulator on Android too. - Rodfather
Andrew, yes you can play most games acceptably, not accurately, but there is no denying the increased cost of emulating newer devices. And accuracy is necessary for some subtle effects and preventing timing issues. - NOT THE CRICKET
Would emulating an XBox 360 on an XBox One really be acceptable, though? It doesn't seem like as enormous of a technological gap as between a modern smartphone and a 16-bit gaming machine or even an N64 or original PSX. - Victor Ganata
I opted for a PS4 because I 'lost' fewer PS3 games I could no longer play. XBOne's lack of backward compatibility even for XBLA games is a kick in the pants to folks that have invested funds and times in those and can't take them with. Nintendo got some of that right. - Neal Krummell
I'm sure it's more than just emulating a Xbox 360 game. There's the underlying services and controller compatibility. Maybe Xbox Live on the Xbox One is totally different underneath the surface. - Rodfather from Android
I'm probably going to pick up a PS4 eventually. Remote play with the Vita sounds nice. Sony generally has better support for indie developers and they have a lot of developers on their payroll for exclusive games. I'm in no rush. I picked up the PS3 when the Slim version came out. - Rodfather from Android
Victor, it would definitely be better than the PS4 having a PS3 emulator. But the issue with emulation is you'd have to emulate a whole different instruction set, because of a design decision with the 360, as well as handle the bus timings and other issues that can break games that have been tuned to a specific architecture. You're easily looking at 4-5x cost in addressing those issues for a system that had 3.2GHZ to begin with, so 15-20Ghz required for acceptable emulation. - NOT THE CRICKET
Microsoft and Sony play long games. They don't have a strong suite of games just 2 months from launch but most units sell years 2-4. - Johnny from iPhone
Some people are skipping the Xbox One and PS4 and going with PC gaming and the Wii U. That covers indie games, multiplatform games, and Nintendo exclusives. - Rodfather from Android
There's a shit ton of people who aren't gamers in the traditional sense, but they'll pick up a system just for Call of Duty or Madden. And that's all the games they will ever play. - Rodfather from Android
There's no point in arguing. Cristo is just commenting to talk about himself. - Rodfather from Android
The Xbox 360 wasn't backwards compatible unless you bought the $$$ Xbox hard drive. - Johnny from iPhone
The 360 emulation of the original xbox was a custom translation/emulation thing, which is why it had to be tuned per game (engine) and left a large chunk of the original catalog out. They did try to make the most popular games backwards compatible. - Andrew C (✔)
When we're talking about 8-bit and 16-bit and even 32-bit emulation, we're definitely at the point where current CPUs/GPUs can just emulate the hardware in software, so they can be really faithful, including all the "unsupported" kludges. - Victor Ganata
Victor, sure, the issue isn't the emulation of just the processor though. You may get a working emulator for it, but it doesn't mean it's going to function well or properly. You've got various bus timings to account for as well as I/O and other subsystem emulation to include. Those ancillary systems are more important, due to the construction of the software. Processor emulation is good... more... - NOT THE CRICKET
Imaging playing an FPS at 3-4x speed, so that you're facing ~0.5-2s latency in your actions. It'd get annoying very quickly. - NOT THE CRICKET
Look at any existing 8-bit and 16-bit emulators and you'll find that they're emulating much more than the CPU, though. An x64 machine is more than adequate to fully emulate the I/O controllers, the serial buses, the video chipsets, and the sound chipsets of these machines down to the quirks. It's not as impossible as you make it out to be. - Victor Ganata
Like, C64 emulators even emulate the 6502 CPU on the floppy drive and the hardware-dependent kludge you need to trick the VIC-II chip via the raster interrupt to split the screen into graphics and text portions and to display more than 8 sprites. Of *course* you need to emulate all the subsystems too for full emulation. - Victor Ganata
Yes, and they get by, but we're also talking about systems that had Mhz chipsets. And I'm not saying you can't emulate these systems, just because of the subsystems. But to do full software emulation at speed X, for just the single chipset, requires some low multiple of X. Then you have the costs associated with subsystems, and handling the bus interactions, that adds extra multiples of X. - NOT THE CRICKET
The 360 had a 3.2Ghz system, so you have to emulate a 3.2Ghz system, which can't be done on a system with less than 3.2Ghz, with any kind of accuracy. And that's before addressing subsystem and timing synchronization. I'm not going to argue about the feasibility of emulation, for 15-20 year old systems. It's possible. - NOT THE CRICKET
Yeah, I'm not saying you're going to emulate the hardware of an XBox 360 fully in software on a modern-day x64 machine, but a computer with multiple cores running faster than 2 GHz is probably going to be adequate to perfectly emulate the hardware of a machine with a CPU running at 1 MHz or even 33 MHz. If you figure out a way to plug in the original controllers, the game play will be indistinguishable. - Victor Ganata
Remember, the XBOX 360 has a Power PC with NVidia graphics, and the XBOX One is all x86 on AMD. They are running a modified Hyper-V hypervisor on the box, but I doubt there is enough horsepower to get 360 compatibility done, but who knows? - Eric - For You Wack MCs!
Victor, not my words. That's from the creator of bsnes, he says 3+ Ghz for full accuracy of the SNES, and some games are unplayable without the accurate timings. For the 8-bit systems, I have no doubt you could probably get full-emulation with accuracy most likely under the 2Ghz mark. 16-bit at 21Mhz, it's questionable. Because you can't just stuff the register, even if that would allow... more... - NOT THE CRICKET
Yeah, I mean with 8-bit machines, we're talking about buses that run in single-digit millihertz and with response times measured in 10s and 100s of microseconds, not nanoseconds, so I don't think modern day hardware will have any problems with timings. - Victor Ganata
Yeah but you have to run lots of sleeps and fire requests in the right cycles. If a system has to pass through the loop every 50 cycles. And audio every 6.25 cycles and video has to run every 12.5 cycles, there is already an issue of timing. You "can" just estimate the audio to 6 cycles (and it will run too quickly), and you can estimate the video at 12 or 13, but you're going to end up... more... - NOT THE CRICKET
I'm not denying that you can't get reasonable gameplay out of systems that fall under the optimal measure. That's veritably proven, by a whole host of emulators that have been on the market for years. I was just pointing out why Alex's 'backwards compatibility" request was bullshit without requiring them to add an Xbox 360 to the system itself. - NOT THE CRICKET
Well, I'm arguing you can get perfect fidelity when you have such a massive gap between the host and guest systems. The best emulators actually do have to hand-tune the timings, but it's definitely not impossible for systems that are well documented after all the decades of hacking and reverse engineering. - Victor Ganata
Well you're going to have to disagree with the guy who build the most accurate SNES emulator. - NOT THE CRICKET
I wasn't talking about the SNES specifically, though. It has proprietary subsystems that haven't been fully reverse engineered and documented, so, yeah, it's going to be tough to get full fidelity. But when you know the exact specs, it's not an impossible task. - Victor Ganata
Now mind you, the SNES also had the advantage of cartridges that could store extra components, which is a disadvantage for emulators. - NOT THE CRICKET
Even the SNES's CPU is proprietary--a custom version of an off-the-shelf 16-bit CPU--so without the specs you're going to have to go with trial and error. The computers and game systems based on 8-bit 65xx CPUs were much closer to the off-the-shelf chips, and there have been more than 30 years to reverse engineer them anyway. - Victor Ganata
Well I wasn't really arguing with your 8-bit argument of getting them to run under 2Ghz with accuracy. (In fact, I already conceded that, in fact you'd probably be able to do it with something between 1.3-1.6 Ghz.) And I think all the components for the SNES (including the cartridge chipsets) were finally reverse-engineered a few months ago. (It may have been the NES.) - NOT THE CRICKET
It seems like the meat of his argument is that it's always a tradeoff between speed and fidelity. Like, he also says you can probably build an SNES emulator that only requires a 300 MHz CPU that will run a number of games, but the ones that rely on obscured hacks and kludges will (1) look terrible (2) play terribly (3) not work at all. But full fidelity will require a lot more CPU power, and will actually require keeping in known bugs (like how Starfox will have random moments of bad, bad lag.) - Victor Ganata
I guess my point (and I think the author's point) is that it's not technically unfeasible, you just need to know the specific details of game implementation, and some of them really use obscure techniques to push the hardware to the limit. So you're stuck with either emulating the hardware at the per-cycle level (which is obviously CPU intensive) or you work around it in the emulator or you just directly hack the ROM. - Victor Ganata
"There's no denying it, absolutely perfect synchronization is very rarely required. But the fact is, there are cases where it is." - Victor Ganata
Reverse engineering the co-processors/custom chipsets/DSPs in the cartridges seems pretty tricky, and I'd be surprised if people have bothered with all but the most popular titles. "LLE is also a very expensive operation, monetarily speaking: to obtain the DSP program code requires melting the integrated circuit with nitric acid, scanning in the surface of a chip with an electron... more... - Victor Ganata
"Once finished, you must realize that DSPs are usually one-off specialty parts. Instruction sets must be reverse-engineered from binary blobs and emulated with virtually no documentation at all." - Victor Ganata
But I do agree with your point. Including full backward compatibility with the last generation would've been insanely cost prohibitive. It would probably just be cheaper to buy an XBox 360 and an XBox One than to buy an XBox One that could play every single XBox 360 title. - Victor Ganata
Also my argument was never that you couldn't reasonably emulate games at lower threshold speeds. Just that you couldn't accurately do it, or do it without overhead surpassing the original specs (which was me being confused about what I was arguing about [I was making the general claim, as it would relate back to my original argument]). - NOT THE CRICKET
I can't find the initial announcement, but all DSP's have been decapped and dumped for official titles, for almost 2 years. - NOT THE CRICKET
OK, that's reasonable, you probably can't ever have 100% full software emulation, ever, no matter how much raw CPU/GPU power you have, because it's just absurdly impractical. But even the author says you can probably attain 90% fidelity without having crazy requirements. - Victor Ganata
I'm still confused. DOES IT STILL PLAY GAMES? I like that my Xbox 360 can do all the other stuff (most of which is geo-blocked) but I never ever use it. I want a stable and fast piece of kit that I can turn on and jam on. Unless the new "social and TV" features on the Xbox One detract from the basic function of playing games then this is all a bit silly. - Johnny from iPhone
Yeah, towards the end of the article he talked about the Fully (transistor level with transistor delays) Emulated Pong requiring 3Ghz. Some attempts at transistor level (without delay) emulation for the NES & C64 existing but being horribly slow. And fully emulated N64 likely never being achievable in our lifetimes. - NOT THE CRICKET
Johnny, but it doesn't play Xbox 360 games. /sarcasm - NOT THE CRICKET
"Unless the new "social and TV" features on the Xbox One detract from the basic function of playing games then this is all a bit silly." -- well, both the PS4 and Xbox One have 8 gigs of RAM and devote 2-3 gigs of it to non-game stuff, so yeah, in some sense the new features do detract from gaming. There's silicon in there (I think they also devote a core each?) basically permanently dedicated to the other features and which game devs can't use, so. - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew, but it's shared memory allocation (the 360 had this, but it was only 512MB), so they get the benefit of being able to use it to build video buffers. So they have quite a bit of memory they can use either for IOPS(CPU) or FLOPS(GPU), which means they can pull more out of the system. Depending on what they need. Having 5-6GB available to the GPU is awesome for game devs. - NOT THE CRICKET
Yeah, I actually think MS *is* going for the gaming market. If they really wanted people to use the XBox One for other things, they wouldn't require a $49.95 annual subscription for features that are free on every other system out there. - Victor Ganata
And you don't sell 80 million Xbox 360s just to gamers. You need the casual gamer and the media centre consumer to help fund new things like the Xbox One. As long as they don't effect the core gameplay, bemoaning that Microsoft are targeting these consumers somehow makes this less of a gaming machine is silly. Just because the features are there doesn't mean you have to use them. - Johnny from iPhone
MS is aiming for the integrated home. Who hasn't watched a Sci-Fi film where the houses listen and talk back to commands. But we aren't there yet, so they give you other reasons to talk to this box in your living room, that you'll actually use. They're just training people. - NOT THE CRICKET
If you think about it, when it comes to gaming consoles, backward compatibility has been the exception rather than the rule. It's only really been for the last couple of generations. For the rest of the history of consoles, they've always expected you to buy a new console that can't play any of your old games. - Victor Ganata
I can see the frustration with not having backwards compatibility this time around. A lot of content is tied to your account now. Music, movies, Xbox Live Arcade, and Xbox Games on Demand are all sitting in the cloud. Fortunately, the movies and music are transferrable. It's a nice touch that Nintendo put in the Wii emulator and allows you to transfer downloaded content to the Wii U. - Rodfather
I'm wondering how long Microsoft will keep Xbox Live for the Xbox 360. 3-4 years? Even if you had a physical disk to play, will it download updates and DLC after they shut off the service? - Rodfather
I'd say at least 3-4. Took them a while for the original Xbox. Most consoles get bought years 2-3 so they need to keep it up for all the paying punters. Plus the second hand game market is huge. - Johnny from iPhone
I'm thinking it'll be longer this time around. There's so much content tied to Xbox Live. It's going to be a mess when Microsoft cancels Games for Windows Live this year, which is basically PC games on Xbox Live. Games like Fallout 3 are tied to it. - Rodfather
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