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Scoble, Alex Scoble
Why in the name of all that is good and pumpkin pie are you all not on Facebook yet?
Facebook is where I stab myself in the eye. - Meg VMeg
I'd pay to see that! ;) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
facebook is dying. at least that's what i heard - Sir Shuping is just sir
I'm already missing how friendfeed does the river after 5 minutes of being back on here - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I follow people, not logos. - Johnny
Facebook is where I'm not paid to stab myself in the eye :( - Meg VMeg
LOL, Johnny, you are on Facebook...very funny though. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Facebook is where grandparents and co-workers are. - lris
What's Facebook? - Steven Perez from Android
Real answer: because there are one million (or fewer) people on FF and one billion (or more) on Facebook. (I'd guess most of us also have FB accounts, but I certainly spend ten times as much time here among a smaller, more select group.) - Walt Crawford
I keep asking myself why I am still on there. - Jim: meatvalve.
I'm there, but I prefer to be here. - The First NoeLB from Android
I'm on there once a year to wish someone a happy birthday. I like it here better. - bentley
Because FF is still better than FB even if FB has the critical mass. - Spidra Webster
Isn't the better question why are you on Facebook? - Todd Hoff
Facebook? Eww! - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
I'm there, and I'm in the Friendfeed group. Because that's where we meet to complain that ff is down, and announce when it's back up again. - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I like LB's answer. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
The day I use Facebook is when pigs fly :) - imabonehead
Also: Iain Baker. - Meg VMeg
I'm not old enough for Facebook. There are predators on Facebook. - Steve C Team Marina
I am, but I mostly just lurk and get really angry on FB. - Jenny H. from Android
Facebook is for head-shaking and lying and pretending to approve of assholes you work with. - Big Joe Silence
Facebook is where I argue politics and my daughter uses my account to play games - WarLord
I'm there about as much as I'm on any socnet these days. And that's not much. Healthier. - J. Marie B
Because http://goo.gl/Kwib8u Also, what WoH: Professor MOTHRA said. - AHnix (Anna Haro)
Here because of the Shannon–Hartley law. Social networks are all about the signal/noise ratio. - David Lounsbury
The real question is, why is Facebook not on you? - Steele Lawman from Android
I'm on FB because most of my iPad games require it. Also because despite the fact I "deleted" my real account, it's still there. - Heather
Mary Carmen
I just learned how camels walk from watching Caillou.
By putting one hoof in front of the others? :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
^^Geez Scoble! Camels have toes not hooves!!! - Shannon - GlassMistress
Sorry, I did not watch Caillou. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
By putting one foot in front of the others? :D (happy now?) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Better .. but I was mostly amusing myself over camel toe :-D - Shannon - GlassMistress
When they walk they move both legs on the same side simultaneously. So one side then the other. Unusual as most animals don't. - Mary Carmen from iPhone
Also why they're called "Ships of the Desert" their gait makes them sway like a ship and can cause unexperienced riders to have motion/sea sickness. - Scott. Cat Herder.
بی تربیتا، انگشت شتر؟ خودتون رو زدید به اون راه یا خیال کردید ما سرمون نمیشه؟ :دی - ووووزلا
Interesting...what other animals walk like that? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Caillou and Kipper are kid ambien. - ♫Maurice the Trainer♫
Cats and Giraffes. - Scott. Cat Herder.
Hmm, I was thinking that cats walk that way too...cool. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Cats walk like that??? I never noticed. - Mary Carmen
I'm definitely gonna need a translation. Google is failing me. - Mary Carmen
Cats prowl like that...they are too cool to walk. ;) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I remember riding on a camel. It made a ship seem rock-stable by comparison. - Walt Crawford
Meg VMeg
Can you remember smells? Like, if I told you to remember a rose, and then an orange, and then...cedar or something, could you do it?
Yes, some smells more than others, though. When I just tried those three, cedar and orange really popped, but my rose has faded? lol - Brent Schaus
Those three? Yes. - Catherine Pellegrino
Are there others that you can't? I ask because I was reading this annoying Oliver Sacks book, and he claims that people usually can't recall scents. And I don't understand what he's talking about. - Meg VMeg
Yeah, well, people also claimed that we don't dream in color, yet I do...go figure. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I don't. I mean, I know what they smell like and I'd recognize them, and I can describe their characteristics, but if I think about them I don't have a sensory memory of them. - Katy S
Maybe they mean on a specific neurological level? Like the parts of the brain dealing with memory trigger, but not the parts dealing with scent, so you don't "really" remember the smell, just think you do? I know a lot of the argument about not dreaming in color is because (supposedly) we add the colors in after we wake (according to brain scans or something) as opposed to registering coloring during the act of dreaming/seeing? - Soup in a TARDIS
As I reflect on it, to remember the smell of orange I kind of have to remember the taste, too. They go hand in hand. - Brent Schaus
I. Can really remember and whatever equivalent of picture those smells. But my brains weird. I used to have a bit of synesthesia - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Yes. I can remember what a particular thing smells like. I am wondering if he is saying that we can't remember what a thing smells like, or if we can't remember what we were smelling during a particular moment or event. For eg if you asked me to tell you what my office, or the restaurant, or a street I was walking on, smelled like on Friday I would be pretty lost, but if you asked me what it looked like I would have a clear picture. - Marianne
So, clearly I'm the freakish one here. - Katy S
FREAK FREAK, EVERYONE POINT AT THE FREAK :) - Meg VMeg
I believe the answer for me is yes. But it would be interesting to take peer-reviewed test on the matter. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Yes. - Steven Perez from Android
So, yeah, I can remember those, but like Marianne, if you asked me to remember what the building where I spent 75% of my waking hours in college smelled like, then no, I can't remember that (though I know from experience that if I walk into it again now it'll smell EXACTLY THE SAME). So maybe that's what Sacks means? Oh, and the only reason I can say "yes" to rose is because I just started using something that has a really genuine rose scent to it, so it's a recent memory. - Catherine Pellegrino
Yes. ETA: I had visuals come up with each word as I was thinking about the scent. Cedar made me picture the cedar closet in my parents' bedroom, for example; roses made me visualize the rose garden in Capitol Park (a very fragrant spot). Oranges brought up an image of oranges smashed on the sidewalk near where I park my car, as they fall off the trees along that street. Is that typical? - Corinne L
Smell is probably my strongest sense--a lot of my memories are connected to smells--the spaghetti sauce that my mom's best friend made when I was 3 or 4--it had celery in it. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Aye. - Jenny H. from Android
yes I would. my nose is very sensitive. I woulda been a great bloodhound. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
The orange, yes. - Alix May
So, all of you get a sensory memory of the smell? You think about it and it is as if you are smelling it again? This amazes me. I must be missing out. - Katy S from iPhone
Yes to both being able to recall a scent and to Katy's question about sensory memory of a smell. :) - Hookuh Tinypants
I feel defective. - Katy S from iPhone
Katy, no! I have a dear friend who can't smell at all. never has. it's pretty crazy and I forget about it sometimes, but he lives a happy fulfilling life. mostly. ;) - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Oh hun, you're far from defective. :) - Hookuh Tinypants
I'm fine. I just never realized other people could think of a scent and smell it. I'm not great at recalling specifics from images, either. I wonder if those things go hand-in-hand. ETA. Which isn't to say that I can't ID scents very well. I'm fairly sensitive to them and can usually ID them quickly. I just dont have that kind of scent recall. - Katy S from iPhone
I would definitely recognize it if I smelled it, so that must be a memory stored in there somewhere, but I can't think about it and recall a smell as if it is right there with me if that is what you are talking about - Mr. The Jason Fleming
Katy - I can't either. Just trying right now made me sneeze :). - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I am also a freak. But then I also can rarely smell anything. - laura x
Mary Carmen
There really isn't anything worse than watching your kid get shots.
I could probably think of worse things to watch your kids getting, but yeah. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Dan: Bibrarian
This is all LB's fault. She introduced me to the meme. Then she showed me examples of the meme. Then she explained the meme... And soon, I wanted to play too. #MOTObombing
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Errybody's doin' it! - The First NoeLB
:D - Anne Bouey
Once you see it, hehehe. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Lord... - MoTO: #TeamMarina
Ha! :) - The First NoeLB from Android
Stephen Mack
Dear FriendFeed, I still love you but I have no time for you lately. Thinking of you and hope you're well. What's the weather like? Did you get time to do that thing at that place with those people? Hope so and hope that it was fabulous. Wow, look at the time. I have to go now, but promise to write soon. Much love from everyone here! Yours, me
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Yeah, I'm thinking of adding 'on hiatus' to my display name and taking it easy for a while. - Kevin Fox from iPhone
You guys are making me cry inside. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Dear Kevin, Thanks for your comment. I'm away from FriendFeed currently due to the demands of the holiday season, but will read your comment when I return. Best, Stephen - Stephen Mack
Dear Alex, Thanks for your comment. I'm away from FriendFeed currently due to the demands of the holiday season, but will read your comment when I return. Best, Stephen - Stephen Mack
Dear Mr. STEPHEN MACK, Thank you for your query. Someone will respond within ONE to THREE years. Love, FriendFeedFaceBook - Just another Bubba
Take pictures while you're away so we can catch up later. - Bruce Lewis
Setting aside me being silly: @Kevin, always a good idea to take a break and refresh later. Makes sense to add "on hiatus." I'd do that, but I know as soon as I did that then I'd probably feel foolish when I spend an hour reading/liking/commenting the next day. @Alex: Don't cry! I'm not abandoning FriendFeed, and I'm certainly not using any other social media service more. My twitter and facebook usage is zero. @Bubba: That made me chortle. @Bruce: Will do! - Stephen Mack
I love the @ sign. So visually striking. @@: Where's my at at? And my AT-AT? (Please to reference http://friendfeed.com/zeigen...) - Stephen Mack
@Cristo, yes, I'm very hard at work on that. Although if I coded it, we'd all be in a lot of trouble. - Stephen Mack
4-year bump! What was true in December then is true now. FF, I haven't abandoned you, but it's just a very busy time of year for me. - Stephen Mack
We'll be here when you return. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. - Spidra Webster
Never leave us! - Louis Gray
Not leaving! Still reading! Just not much room to spend much time here. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Scoble, Alex Scoble
It has taken me a long time and many hours of personal experience (is that redundant?) to learn that if after point and counterpoint two people don't agree, it is very unlikely that they will come to agreement with further argument.
So unless one is looking for an evening of fun, arguments and trolling, it's best to stop there. I'm sure the people of friendfeed wish I had learned this 3 years ago. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I disagree. - Akiva
That's not really a point, but I disagree with your disagreement. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Although, I'm not exactly sure what you are disagreeing to, so yes. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
In all seriousness, I'd go a few rounds of point/counterpoint before I assess whether it's worth further discussion. - Akiva
Alex, according to Steam you've been playing APB Reloaded for 2 weeks straight. Please log out. - Rodfather from Android
Agreed with Akiva. I have frequently been in argu-sations where one party or the other wasn't really swayed (or had their viewpoint expanded) until after about 3 or so rounds. After that, the likelihood definitely falls off a cliff, though. - Chieze Okoye
You are wrong!!!! - NOT THE CRICKET
Scoble, Alex Scoble
Only 9 lightbulbs out of 58 left in the house that are not LEDs. I love LED lights. There's little reason now to buy anything else to replace medium screw in type base (your traditional lightbulb type) bulbs up to 75 watt equivalent. Costco and Home Depot sell these bulbs at prices that make even CFL bulbs look expensive.
Not to mention that LED bulbs contain no mercury. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I've always thought of CFLs as a transitional technology and I won't be sad to see them go. I never really worried about the mercury in them much though, because depending on how you get your power (like if it's coal), the amount of mercury in a CFL was less than the amount of mercury that would have been released into the air by the power plant generating the power you would have used if you hadn't put in the CFL. - Brian Johns
i've replaced all but two of our many 100 watt incandescent outdoor floods with equivalent output LED bulbs. the mothership WILL know where to land! - Big Joe Silence
I bought a multi-pack of CFLs eight years ago. A pack of six, I believe. Three of them are still unused. Might be time to switch over to LEDs... - Julian
Making the LED switch as well. The lunatic fringe carping about making incandescents illegal cracks me up. You can buy LEDs every bit as warm as incandescents and they last so much longer. - Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
The only place I've had trouble are with some older, dome lighting fixtures. Some of those are either too narrow, or too short, to fit most of the LED or fluorescent bulbs I've bought. The domes were mostly easy to replace with slightly larger versions, but I did have to replace them. - Jennifer Dittrich
Victor Ganata
Especially in space, doesn't it seem like kinetic weapons will always be better than pure energy weapons?
Except the problem with kinetic weapons in space is that if you miss, those projectiles keep going somewhere. Energy weapons don't miss, unless you are a bumbling storm trooper. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
If you pop off a large mass driver, you better be sure that you're going to hit your target, or some planet downstream is going to have a mass extinction. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
plus, the issue of countering the force of the weapon you just fired. unless you WANT to leave backwards in a hurry, that is. - Big Joe Silence
Hehe, Joe. I don't know. I think if you have the technology to be in space with a huge ass mass driver or similar weapon, you probably also have the technology to fire it while staying in place. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Energy weapons would also have recoil. Short range, targeting an energy weapon would be the same as targeting a projectile weapon. Long range, you'll have to deal with light speed delay with an energy weapon, while a projectile weapon can use smart ammunition. - Victor Ganata
Given a certain energy budget, it takes a lot less energy to imbue a projectile with enough kinetic energy to cause significant penetrating and blunt force damage than it would to fire a beam that would cause the same amount of penetrating damage. - Victor Ganata
B5 was largely using kinetic weapons, right? - Big Joe Silence
Despite Star Trek phasers and Star Wars turbolasers, all the hard SF I've come across has slowly convinced me that machine guns and missiles will still probably be the way to go in even in the 24th century:D - Victor Ganata
Wouldn't missiles lose to anti-missile lasers? - Andrew C (✔)
Well, Reagan never got IRL Star Wars to actually work. I don't think it was just because of political reasons. - Victor Ganata
Or maybe I'm taking Spies Like Us too literally - Victor Ganata
Take a looks at http://www.projectrho.com/public_... - especially the parts about kinetic (http://www.rocketpunk-manifesto.com/2009... and http://www.rocketpunk-manifesto.com/2009...) and laser (http://www.rocketpunk-manifesto.com/2009...) weapons... Whenever this debate pops up, this site is a must read ! - Jean-Marc Liotier
Hah! So unless you've got the SDF-1's reflex cannon or the Death Star's superlaser or anything that would have enough power to completely vaporize whatever is incoming, it's unlikely that you'll manage to completely vaporize the projectile and you'll fragment it. It might actually be a lot worse for you because instead of one massive projectile that will make a single huge dent or hole, you'll have millions of tiny projectiles punching holes through your hull instead. - Victor Ganata
"Why are you flechetting yourself?" - Pete
Heh. "Stop punching microholes in your own hull. Stop punching microholes in your own hull." *Nelson haha* - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Victor Ganata
I still don't understand why they didn't fix the Klingons in TAS.
Like how the Salarians fixed the Krogan? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
They still have the ridgeless Klingons in TAS. You'd think it would've been trivial to give them ridges. - Victor Ganata
The Animated Series. - Victor Ganata
Scoble, Alex Scoble
Stalone and company have shown supreme command over the art form of gratuitous violence in film and have distilled numerous years of knowledge down into a series known as The Expendables. Formulaic? Sure. Trite? Ok. Throwback to the golden age of action movies known as the '80s? Most definitely. Pure fun? Absolutely.
There's definitely something to be said for a bunch of actors getting together and just enjoying being together on screen. It worked for some of the Star Trek movies, the George Clooney Ocean's Eleven movies and it works for the Expendables too. High art? Believable? Sensitive? Nuanced? You gotta be kidding me...and sometimes that's exactly the point. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
But the fact that the LastPass site isn't mobile-friendly nor responsive is really counting against it. #scollingleftandrighttoread 😤
Yeah, they've got an app that is a lot better... but that's not part of the free service. - Jennifer Dittrich
Yes, I'm very confused on that aspect. Install the app free*! *free for only 14 days. - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Sign up for $12/year then $1/month after! Um... that's the same price. I don't get a discount for being loyal? - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Huh, I swear they were slightly different prices, but yeah. That said, I do really like the mobile app - does what it is supposed to, not fussy. - Jennifer Dittrich
So question: do I have to enter my username & password per site? - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
No, not unless you set that as a requirement for a site (which you can do) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I'd also recommend setting it up to use Google Authenticator for two factor authentication - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oh and the $12 a year is worth it. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
What's Google Authenticator? - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
What Alex said. Best $12 I spend every year. - Corinne L
Eric Logan
IPCC Insider Rejects Global-Warming Report | National Review Online - http://www.nationalreview.com/article...
IPCC Insider Rejects Global-Warming Report | National Review Online
Tol, who has been working with the IPCC since 1994, was the lead author of Chapter 10 of the report, on key economic sectors and services. He was also a contributor to Chapters 17 and 19, on the economics of adaptation to climate change and emergent risks, respectively. He took his name off of the final summary because he felt the IPCC did not properly account for human technological ingenuity and downplayed the potential benefits of global warming. “In the current SPM there are a number of statements in there that are widely cited that are just not correct,” Tol says. One prediction has it that crop yields will begin to fall dramatically, a statement “that is particularly not supported by the chapter itself,” Tol says. “What it completely forgets is technological progress and that crop yields have been going up for as long as we’ve looked at crop yields.” Beyond misleading statements on agriculture, Tol says the IPCC report cites only the maximum estimate for how much it will cost to... more... - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
We could protect the coasts if people believed that sea levels were going to rise, but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen the way things are going. - Victor Ganata
Yep, there are so many reasons to change how we do things to fight climate change and so few reasons not to. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I was impressed with many of the energy saving technologies that are implemented in Italy. When I asked why they where implemented the answer invariably involved energy cost factors. It's a shame that alarmism and intentional cost increases are the prods that seem to be the primary plan to force change in our country that has prospered so much partially as a result of comparatively cheap energy and resources. - Eric Logan
To be honest, I think we're well past the point where curbing emissions will significantly change the trajectory of the global temperature rise. I think we're at the point where we either build preventive measures now, or we cut our losses in the near future and abandon entire cities. Either way it's gonna cost us. - Victor Ganata
Scoble, Alex Scoble
The friendfeed World Community Grid team is now in the top 1000 of all teams for total points generated. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team...
With only one member. - NOT THE CRICKET
Correction: Mostly one member. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oddly enough, the person I see posting the most about this isn't the one with the most points. - John (bird whisperer)
John, that's actually surprising to me. Alex seems to always be posting about it. - NOT THE CRICKET
Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yep, this sums up pretty nicely why I switched from Android to iPhone http://techcrunch.com/2014...
That sums up nicely why I bought a Nexus 4 last year. All the Android without the wait. Most of the Android users that haven't updated are in that boat because their carriers won't push the updates to them, not because they've chosen to wait. - Holly's favorite Anna
Yep, Anna, that also sums it up nicely. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
T-Mobile? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yup. I might switch to AT&T for better roaming, but so far it hasn't been enough of a problem to pay the extra $40/mo. - Holly's favorite Anna
Yeah, that's a problem I have with the Google reference phones. Currently only fully supported by T-Mobile and they have the worst network of the big 4 US carriers. I'm currently on Sprint and want to switch to Verizon in December because Verizon has the best network. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
But I have several coworkers that have a Google reference phone on T-Mobile and they seem to like it. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I left Verizon for it. Miss the network coverage, but don't miss waiting 6-8 months for an OS update. - Holly's favorite Anna
Scoble, Alex Scoble
And there it is. Just got the official announcement from Amazon that the price of prime is going from $79 a year to $99 a year.
Us too. Doing it? - Todd Hoff
Keeping it. Yup. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
we're also keeping it. still worth it to us. - Big Joe Silence
I'm ending the automatic renewal. The benefits of Amazon doesn't seem all that great now that purchases are taxed in California. I could wait a bit longer than 2-day shipping. I mostly use Netflix for streaming. - Rodfather
Scoble, Alex Scoble
I really need to change my LinkedIn page to reflect that I'm primarily only interested in DevOps positions now.
So how come you're so interested in devops than security? :P - imabonehead
It's 100 times more fun and intellectually stimulating. I also think that there's more future demand for DevOps. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
And really, it's pretty hard to do security without DevOps. With it, it's actually possible to ensure that systems stay in a known secure state. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
hehe, i'm just pulling your leg...using puppet via mcollective :P - imabonehead
Sorry, the cert you supplied doesn't match that on record for imabonehead. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Sorry, no class 'leg' found for node ITBlogger. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oh and PE 3.2 is out now, ima. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Too bad that PE 3.2 has some issues. It's currently broken on our two research/development systems. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Todd Hoff
That’s why it doesn’t matter if God plays dice with the Universe | MetaFilter - http://www.metafilter.com/137160...
"A fully deterministic universe is not incompatible with free will. If the deterministic algorithm displays sensitive dependence on initial conditions (which it sure as hell seems to) then it can't be predicted because the system itself is the simplest model that can predict its own behavior. This conclusion of chaos theory is far more devastating to traditional Western religious notions than anything ever discovered by physics or geology. It basically says that not only does God not know the fate of every sparrow that will fall, the only way even God could learn a sparrow's fate is to build the universe and let it run -- and He would be as ignorant of its ultimate conclusion as we are, until it actually concludes. Indeed, unlike traditional Christian metaphysics, this actually gives god a reason to create the Universe -- something that is conspicuously lacking in the more traditional accounts" - Todd Hoff from Bookmarklet
Wow...heavy. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
It's similar to my take on the subject so I liked it :-) Though it's not 100 percent comforting as in unpredictability isn't necessarily the same as free will, just almost indistinguishable from free will. - Todd Hoff
I don't know why, but this made me think of "Groundhog Day". If God/the user running the universe simulation isn't bounded by time, then for all we know, they've already run a kajillion simulations and can predict the future from whatever universe happens to be running just from experience alone. So they could still be practically speaking, omniscient to some incredible precision, but they can still be surprised depending on how exactly they varied the starting variables. - Victor Ganata
Harold Ramis' God of Infinite Iterations :D - Victor Ganata
Victor Ganata
Just from the alternative history/speculative fiction angle, I kind of wonder how many countries we would've invaded by now if either John McCain or Mitt Romney had become president.
You mean Mr. Bomb-Bomb-Bomb, Bomb-Bomb-Iran? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Scoble, Alex Scoble
What words or phrases am I not supposed to use here? (examples: totes, amazeballs, awesomesauce, etc.)
You're grown. Do as you will! - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Oh come now, Stephen, surely you have words that bother you when they are used. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
*slams Complete Oxford Dictionary on the table* ;) - Johnny from iPhone
*___________________* (translation: Johnny wins) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The whole 20 volume set? - Joe
It's a big table. - Johnny from iPhone
Great...how am I supposed to describe a good cake now? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Delicious? ;-) - (Curtis) Alan Jackson from Android
But that doesn't cover it when the cake is you know, the opposite of dry. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
"This cake is not dry." - bentley
"I'm right because it's true." - NOT THE CRICKET
'This cake is humid.' - Akiva
This cake is drenched in awesomesauce...oh wait...I can't say that either. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I've ignored all word bans, to great effect. - Steven Perez from Android
Oh, Steven, I'm sure I'll ignore this post in a week or so too, but I thought it would be fun. Particularly since Rodfather gave me a gentle ribbing for using "totes". I bet he has me hidden though. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
If totes is good enough for great actors, it's good enough for FF. Totes good enough. Amazeballs, however, is grounds for applying California's Stand Your Ground statute in all its glory. - Walt Crawford
Victor Ganata
The flipside is that you can't just say "that's biased" and ignore the science. Most science is biased in one way or another. The authors I tend to trust are the ones that are self-aware enough to actually pinpoint how they might be biased. You actually have to look at the science.
Although "their biases lead them to unwarranted assumptions/unwarranted conclusions" may be a perfectly reasonable line of argument as to why someone's paper is utter crap…. - Victor Ganata
You can say that you can't say that, but people will and they do. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The fact that we're having this debate about a real humanitarian crisis means that some people will ignore anything so they don't have to pay more for stuff or whatever reason they have for ignoring this sort of thing. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Well, you can do whatever you like, but if you're acting in bad faith, then no one has to listen to you, ever. - Victor Ganata from iPhone
That is certainly true. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
In other words, when someone ignores the science, there's no point in continuing the conversation. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I never knew that the co founder of real climate was the editor of climate topics on Wikipedia did you ? How many resignations does it take to form a consensus ? Curious minds want to know. - Eric Logan
As far as science is concerned, consensus isn't really that important. Data > opinion. - Victor Ganata from iPhone
That is correct consensus is not at all important it's often wrong, so why then is consensus such an important part of this debate? - Eric Logan
Consensus is about political action. But the days of the renegade scientist are over. All the major scientific advances in the last century or so have progressed through consensus. Most contrarians end up getting revealed as cranks and frauds. - Victor Ganata
If these guys really had something, people would assimilate it and build upon it, and consensus would readily shift. There's no conspiracy keeping these guys down. They're just not convincing. - Victor Ganata
That's a fair assessment. 130 years of good records is not a very long time frame and things can change figuring out what is Anthropogenic and what is Natural variation is complex. At least we both agree that consensus is really about policy not science. - Eric Logan
Well, I think there's a bit more data than that, but the fact is that some guys have a (meta)model, and the other guys really don't, they just have ideological objections. Ergo, guess where the research is going to go? - Victor Ganata
Victor Ganata
Citing a review paper is a lot like citing a Wikipedia article. The paper might be illuminating to the wholly ignorant, but it ain't definitive proof of anything.
At least most people can read a wikipedia article. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Scoble, Alex Scoble
It's not enough for scientists to say "I disagree" with published peer reviewed studies on a subject. They actually have to do studies/experiments on their own to back that up in order to have any relevance on a subject outside of Fox News.
Seriously, giving review articles and editorials equal weight with actual observational studies and experiments is a rookie mistake. - Victor Ganata
Citing multiple review articles by the same lead author as evidence that there are lots and lots of skeptics is an example of bad faith and borders on willful deception. - Victor Ganata
That link is a direct rebuttal of the slate link. - Eric Logan
Like I've said before, real science is adversarial, not authoritative. If someone had the data to prove that CO2 emissions weren't causing global warming, it would be published, cited and re-cited, and built upon. Overturning existing paradigms is where the fame and fortune is at in science. That all the skeptics have got are arguments by authority in review papers and editorials is very telling. - Victor Ganata
How many studies do you want ? http://link.springer.com/article... - Eric Logan
Certainly more than one. And an actual study, not a review article or editorial. - Victor Ganata
And also, maybe from more recently than 1988. - Andrew C (✔)
Ok. I will as soon as I get home, but why more recently than 1988 ? Honest question based on these facts since 1988 we had a decade of .2 degrees warming followed by 17 years of a hiatus. The hiatus was denied for years now there are hundreds of peer reviewed papers trying to explain it. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
"but why more recently than 1988 ?" Because we've had a lot more data since then, not just in years but in types of data. Whether or not that piece's claims panned out or not, a more recent paper would be more convincing. - Andrew C (✔)
Sorry for the multiple posts. I can't wait to turn my iPhone back on I hate this Moto X, but that is a different debate. This is a recent commentary written by Lindzen a former lead author of chapter 7 of the AR3 it gets to the crux of some of the problems surrounding the polarization of this debate. http://www.euresisjournal.org/public... - Eric Logan
Yes, one could certainly see how Lindzen would see political pressure as the problem rather than himself. ( http://www.skepticalscience.com/lindzen... ) Also, considering the US had two oil men driving policy from 2000 to 2008, I find it very difficult to believe that "politics" drives completely and totally towards AGW science. The same two fuckers managed... more... - Andrew C (✔)
Andrew no speed reader could read that fast. He explains oil men's involvement at length in the commentary. It's an ad hominem attack that you just posted. if you don't want to address the actual article I understand. It poses hard questions and real examples of corruption of peer review. It is also well notated. - Eric Logan
The link in question on this thread claims that there are only 24 peer reviewed studies disputing AGW since 1991 that claim is patently false. On the recovery from the Little Ice Age. http://www.scirp.org/journal... - Eric Logan
Of course, I just skimmed it. Mind you, his entire claim is "politics is distorting climate science", which is definitely ad hominem. - Andrew C (✔)
But yes, my pointing out that he's a clown who actively takes pains to ignore contrary evidence to his theories is ad hominem; I just feel it's kinda relevant all the same. - Andrew C (✔)
Lead author clown. - Eric Logan
So, another review article. OK. - Victor Ganata
"Lead author clown" - yes. If he makes consistently wrong claims and refuses to accept contrary evidence and can produce no satisfactory evidence of his own for support, that's more than enough reason to think he's a clown. - Andrew C (✔)
This peer reviewed paper of his seems prescient in hindsight. Can increasing carbon dioxide cause climate change? http://www.pnas.org/content... - Eric Logan
LOL, another review paper? - Victor Ganata from iPhone
Sorry, I was addressing the ad hominem about Lindzen former lead author now clown. The vast majority of what is commonly referred to as climate science are peer reviewed papers. Show me a properly tested and validated climate model ? - Eric Logan
Synchronized Chaos: Mechanisms For Major Climate Shifts. http://www.sciencedaily.com/release... - Eric Logan
In the Lindzen paper which I linked and was published in 1997 he said this "Indirect estimates, based on response to volcanos, suggest sensitivity may be as small as 0.3–0.5°C for a doubling of CO2" Since 1997 CO2 has increased a little over 10%. While temperature has increased by .05. .05 X 10 = .5. So far he's right the modelers are the clowns. - Eric Logan
Victor Ganata
I gotta admit, this religion whose adherents have a deep, abiding faith in the idea that every human problem has some kind of technological solution is kind of disturbing.
I am kind of disappointed that WWI, WWII, and the Cold War didn't totally invalidate rationalism/positivism. - Victor Ganata
Weeeeeeelll... - Pete
I'm pretty sure that just like we can't know everything, we can't solve all of our problems either, with or without technology. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The thing is, events like that are easily dismissed as irrational aberrations. - John (bird whisperer)
We just weren't applying rationalism/positivism hard enough/correctly enough, I guess. - Victor Ganata
We might have a better shot though, once we've actually figured out how to fix stupid. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
It's not the stupid per se that I'm actually worried about. The problem is the stupid that thinks it's very, very smart—smarter than everybody, in fact. - Victor Ganata
My 4th grade teacher loved the saying "to truly be stupid, one must first be smart." - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Changing humans is hard, changing technology is easy. - Todd Hoff
I'm concerned that the stupid that thinks it's the smartest person in the room makes up a substantial proportion of the total stupid. - Mary B: #TeamMonique
Andrew C (✔)
Lindzen Illusion #7: The Anti-Galileo - http://www.skepticalscience.com/lindzen...
"So his combination of expertise and "skepticism" make Lindzen an appealing figure to "skeptics". He's even been compared to Galileo quite frequently. But there's one major difference between Galileo and Lindzen: Galileo was right." - Andrew C (✔) from Bookmarklet
"So Lindzen does present a mostly coherent, consistent alternative hypothesis to the anthropogenic global warming theory. There's only one problem: as discussed above, every single one of these arguments is inconsistent with the observational evidence. You may have also noticed that every single one of Lindzen's positions have underestimated or downplayed anthropogenic global warming, which suggests they may be based on contrarianism rather than scientific evidence." - Andrew C (✔)
"With this history of being wrong, the comparisons to Galileo seem wholly inappropriate. There is of course nothing wrong with being occasionally mistaken in science. The problem arises when a scientist is consistently wrong and fails to learn from the corrections advanced by other scientists or by nature, especially when we're asked to believe that he is right and virtually every other scientific expert is wrong. " - Andrew C (✔)
Yeah, good luck convincing any climate change deniers with that site. :( - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I'm shocked that you think they wouldn't be convinced by objective facts... - Andrew C (✔)
Except that they can most likely rightly say that a site that's devoted solely to supporting climate change is probably not objective. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Just like I would, rightly in my opinion, say the same thing about most of the sites that they use. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The site might not be "objective", but the factual claims they make (Lindzen is wrong about X, Y, and Z) either are or aren't true. - Andrew C (✔)
Steven Perez
Hey, Alex Scoble is here. Figures he'd show up when I'm busy at work.
I'm on Facebook a lot more to be sure. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Victor Ganata
If you don't know the difference between a review article and an actual experiment, you're definitely not going to convince me that you understand science.
Off topic, but at this point, isn't the onus on deniers to back up their claims with a testable theory and experimental data to back it up? Am I wrong in thinking this? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
No, they don't. There are many ways to indicate studies or their results are flawed without coming up with a new hypothesis or go through the process of testing the hypothesis. - Jenny H. from Android
But Victor's original point is valid. Lit reviews aren't in the same arena as actual studies or experiments. Totally different beasts. - Jenny H. from Android
My tiny tangent: There is sooooooo much literature out there that it is difficult to capture all of it in a lit review. You might miss critical research in an area just by omitting a particular key word in your search. Add on top of that the bias of the person(s) writing the review. They might purposefully skew their review with cherry picked studies that back up their viewpoint without... more... - Jenny H. from Android
And how would you indicate that thousands of peer reviewed studies are flawed without actually doing your own study? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I mean sure, you could say that Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong and here's why, but I don't think anyone will take you seriously without experimental data to back your claim up. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
And I'm not sure that you are really saying that if I say "evolution is the only scientific theory that can explain how life evolved on Earth" that I'm then on the hook for proving that statement. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Off the top of my head, you can demonstrate that (1) their data doesn't really say what they think it says (2) their methods were badly flawed (3) their assumptions were badly flawed (4) what they were actually studying has nothing to do with what they think they were studying (bad experiment, bad sample, etc.) There are a lot of ways to point out someone's study is bad that don't... more... - Victor Ganata
OK, but we aren't talking about "a study" we are talking about a high volume of scientific studies and evidence that all support the same theory. Surely, that isn't something that can be so easily dismissed as the ways you mentioned above. Climate Change and Evolution are two examples. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
The review would have to explain how or why the author(s) see them as flawed. No, you can't just write 'I don't agree with this study' and leave it at that. No one with reasonable intelligence would take them seriously unless they made some valid points about the flaws in methods, stats, overstating or misinterpreting their results, etc. - Jenny H. from Android
Also, even with as many studies as have been done on climate change, it is not a theory. Evolution is a theory because it has hundreds of years of research that support it. Climate change is a baby by comparison. I'm no denier, but you can't compare evolution and climate change side by side (or rather, you can't state that they have the same level of support or acceptance in the scientific community). - Jenny H. from Android
So what is climate change if it's not a theory? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
It depends on the level of precision you're on. Technically "climate change" is a conclusion from observational data, but I think most people use it as shorthand for the hypothesis that CO2 emissions due to humans burning fossil fuels is causing the observed increase in average global temperature. - Victor Ganata
A hypothesis in the process of being tested through modeling and experimentation. So far it looks good, but the data can change based on new observations. Jenny is right, though: the sample size of available data, and volume of concurring experimental results is likely not sufficient to elevate ACM to the evolution-level of "theory" - Bren - pseudo-Buddhist from iPhone
Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oy vey...I give up. Links to scientific principia? Yeah, get back to me when you've found a credible resource.
I think that the climate science deniers are all just playing one big skin game mashed up with Calvin Ball. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yep, I've taken it as far as it can go. When people post crap as science and argue that I'm saying it's not reputable because it's not coming from one of my pro-climate change sources, there's just no way to move the conversation forward. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Scoble, Alex Scoble
Wow, so much craziness and willful ignorance on Google+...I thought it was supposed to be where all the techies are. #climatechangetrolls
Perhaps it's a sign that google+ has gone mainstream. - imabonehead
Techie doesn't mean not insane. ;) - holly #ravingfangirl
Yeah, McAfee is proof of that. :D - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Wait, Google+ is still a thing? - Soup in a TARDIS
Considering that the argumenting over climate change is still going, Soup, yep, it's still a thing...and it has a large number of the willfully ignorant. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
That's why I love FF. Less climate change trolls. - Eric Logan from FFHound(roid)!
I love it. People comparing sticking to facts to religion. I'm also being blamed for hating SUVs or wanting to tax people into oblivion. How can you even have a policy debate when so many people refuse to accept a theory strongly backed by evidence, peer review, data, etc.? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
All I want is one credible link to a theory that counters human made climate change with credible evidence to go with it. Is that so much to ask? - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Orkut started out full of Googlers, and it soon became apparent that people one or two degrees away from Googlers could be very stupid. Also, Orkut itself had some abysmally stupid policies, so. - Andrew C (✔)
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