Derrick Burns - Comments

it's not desktop tool for me. It is webtool called diigo. It's integrated with browser both for taking notes on a web page(annotation) and retrieve them as bookmarks. Yes evernote has a nice OCR technology. - pankaj

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Jott for voice/txt notes. Evernote for pictures of labels, business cards and screen snaps. - Jay Martin

Google Notebook. - Morton Fox

It was Google Notebook but I am giving Evernote a go - Mel Buckpitt

Evernote is it for me now. We're editing the demo now, will be up on Monday. Great stuff. - Robert Scoble

Evernote definitely has the best functionality, I just haven't been able to push myself to start using it. - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Gee, sry but it's still a pen and paper. - Adrienne Van Houten

Adrienne: that's because you haven't seen what Evernote can do. - Robert Scoble

Notepad. Viva la Old School! Yes. I'm serious. - Art Lindsey III

Onenote most often, but Evernote is a good clip capture tool. - Soulhuntre from twhirl

Evernote - use it every day. Notebooks need to have sections or chapters, and the Mac version needs to add audio recording, but otherwise it's great. - Dean Terry

best notetaking for me is my moleskine for on hand, and jott when behind the wheel. - sean808080

Notepad++ largely, but increasingly using Google Notebook. - Derrick Burns

Evernote. mostly use it to keep track of real estate listings. (used to use OneNote--haven't opened it in months!) - Jasmin Smith

Franklin organizer. Paper is the best. - Victor Ryden

Jott for voice notes, Evernote for pictures and text but iPhone produces very blurry and unusable business cards with Evernote so far, needs a focus-adjuster app to be effective. - Sally Church

Google Notebook. Trying to find practical uses of Evernote. It still doesn't seem to have a collaborating notebooks feature. - Chris Chua

mindjet mindmanager and moleskin - adolfo foronda

Evernote, has more flexibilty then Google Notebook. There are a few fearures I would like to added but it does the trick for me. - Paul from twhirl

evernote all the way. rich internet app with clients for most major PC and mobile platforms, and sync to cloud is quick and reliable. text deco of images is a nice bonus. they do need to spend some time observing the list features of OneNote and the search search ux of Spotlight - even the best apps can always improve. - Jon Price

Right now it's Gmail and IMAP but I am playing with Evernote. I do have concerns though about trusting my info with your cloud. You're doing all the right things. It's just that you're new and I need to get to know you. I trust Gmail. - Steve Rubel

Vim! In second place comes Mousepad. Third place is "cat - > note.txt". - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Evernote is a great service/app, but I still find I can write faster in OneNote. - Rafe Needleman

what about notepad++ - Eric

Rafe: I'd be convinced if you could get me OneNote on my iPhone. - Robert Scoble

Evernote + Reqall is a killer combo on the iPhone/Web/Everywhere - Nicholas Molnar

Google Notebook on computer, Jott when mobile. - Ian May

I love Google Notebook, need to find a good mobile alternative. - Rahaf Harfoush

Honestly, a moleskine notebook and a decent pen. A recent development for me, but it's working great. I get WAY too distracted taking notes on a computer where there are so many fun things I could be doing with my spare seconds! :-) - Josh Bancroft

I have a voice recorder on my mp3 player and on my phone, but I still mainly use a moleskine and a box of mechanical pencils. Old school, that's me. - Steven Perez

While on foot, it's either my Nokia N95 8GB or my Moleskine, but with computer access it's either Evernote or Google Docs. - Niklas Pivic from Alert Thingy

Mail.app. Comes pre-installed. Easy to use. Notes are synchronised across all of my devices (Mac Mini, MacBook and iPhone). Notes are also available online via MobileMe. I don't need to wait for any app to launch since I always have Mail.app running anyway. - Paul Grav

Evernote is great but needs a printer driver and better inking. OneNote is king on TabletPC's for inking. Evernote is king for syncing. - Andrew Forde from twhirl

Evernote has great features, but I still find the desktop client a bit hard to use at times. Would like it a lot more if there was a proper app for my Symbian phone. - Sam from twhirl

3x5" index cards. - Brent Newhall

/agree with @Dukeswharf. An S60 client would be awesome. I've been trying to get the imap setup to work but it doesn't seem to want to cooperate. - patrick

I've made a list of todo/GTD tools out there on the web; Evernote > http://evernote.com/ scrivener > http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scriven... DevonTHINK / DevonNOTE > http://www.devon-technologies.com/product... SohoNOTES > http://www.chronosnet.com/Product... Voodoopad > http://flyingmeat.com/voodoop... journler > http://www.journler.com/ Mori >... more... - Thieme Hennis

it ALL gets dumped into Evernote. And occasionally I sort it. - james

Evernote for me right now, though I find it a little slow at times, that may just be my net connection. - Anant Gairola

Evernote for me!! Excellent tool - Jose Luis Santos

Derrick Burns

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I almost passed this one over as 'Up With People', halftime-show schmaltz. Then I listened. You should, too. - Derrick Burns

teh Dork Knight

Back by popular demand: last post in this thread wins.

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THIRD! - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

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LAST - Nine

You seriously starting another of these? We already have the mammoth one that won't die. - Alex Scoble

I win! wait, oh....nevermind.... - Morgan Haley

I already called last, Alex >:( - Nine

STOP! - Steven Perez

Wins what? - ♥patricia♥

lalalala.. I'm still last - Nine

BOO! - Steven Perez

YADA YADA YADA. - Steven Perez

THIS SPACE FOR RENT. - Steven Perez

NARF! - Steven Perez

DAMN YOU, STEVEN PEREZ - Nine

YA! - Steven Perez

what's that? - AJ Batac

is this still going? - Morgan Haley

IT NEVER ENDS! - Steven Perez

Ha ha, everyone is going to comment on this thread now, it's genius! :) - Danielle Closs

CTRL-ALT-DEL. - Steven Perez

hello? is this thing on? - Morgan Haley

SO LONG AND THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH. - Steven Perez

I LIKE PIE. - Steven Perez

42 - LogEx

WASH YOUR HANDS. - Steven Perez

NIN -

KILL DA WABBIT. - Steven Perez

I like Steven Perez because he likes pie. - Alex Scoble

THAT'S MY RED STAPLER. - Steven Perez

Hahah this thread cannot end well - Roberto Bonini

(Why, yes, I would like another Red Bull, please.) - Steven Perez

ROSE BUD - JA Castillo

I CAN HAS CHEEZBURGER? - Steven Perez

I AM SPARTACUS. - Steven Perez

WHERE'S YOUR HEAD AT. - Steven Perez

MY GOD IT'S FULL OF STARS. - Steven Perez

WHAT WOULD JESUS DRIVE? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

MY HOUND HATH NO NOSE. - Steven Perez

I AM THE WAY AND THE LIGHT. - Steven Perez

What's a SLUB?! - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US - JA Castillo

TIME FOR LUNCH. - Steven Perez

I'm not wearing any pants. - Ben Jackson from twhirl

hey! look over there! it's a hairless dog! *sits down at the end of the post* - Morgan Haley

DON'T TASE ME, BRO! - JA Castillo

If it's tread does that mean we're all in a rut? - Anika

there's still time to edit: "tread" - AJ Batac

Hmmm do I get a cookie if I'm last? :) - Danielle Closs

Can I come back in a year and trump? - Craig Eddy

*stands in the doorway of the thread* 'buh-bye. bye now. bye! goodbye. bye-bye. toodles. no, thank YOU! buhbye! - Morgan Haley

no time limit? - Kenton

Yay Me! - Morgan Haley

No he doesn't...I contest the result to the supreme court which I, of course, have in my pocket. They declared me the winner! Take that Al Gore! - Alex Scoble

What have I done? :::commits seppaku::: - teh Dork Knight

I'm sorry sir, you are going to have to exit the thread now...Sir? SIR!!! - Morgan Haley

Nothing to see here, ya lookieloos! - Alex Scoble

I officially declare this the final comment. - Joey Gibson

look over there! --> - Simon Wicks

Excuse me sir? Did you drop this? - Morgan Haley

*waves arms wildly* - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

FALCON PUNCH!!! - Alfredo

DOH! - CW™

I win - Craig Eddy

No you don't. - Nine

Duck Season! - teh Dork Knight

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... <- last comment sorted alphabetically. I win! - ·[▪_▪]·

A copy of the home game "Pointless FriendFeed Thread tehKenny just made up!" - teh Dork Knight

I called "last" all the way back at the start, y'all. Keep going all you like. Because, if you take it literally "The LAST comment in this thread wins". My comment was "Last". - Nine

Me, me, me! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

You know, Nine has a point there. - Jason Wehmhoener

*waves hand like a Jedi* This is not the thread you want to comment on. - Phoenix

This thread is going to go on FOR-EV-ER! - Danielle Closs

Tread? - Jordan Hofker

Alex is eating lunch. - Alex Scoble

It's dead, Jim. - Ha3rvey (Free hugs!)

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! - teh Dork Knight

-------------------------------------------------- cut here -------------------------------------------------- >8 - LouCypher

last - Nine

NUTELLA RULEZ! PEANUT BUTTER DROOLZ! - Steven Perez

It appears that someone is eating my comments. - Alex Scoble

DAMN THE TORPEDOES. FULL SPEED AHEAD. - Steven Perez

AND SHE'S BUYING A STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN. - Steven Perez

Picture comments in Friendfeed = 4Chan. - teh Dork Knight

MAMMA MIA MAMMA MIA!!! - AJ Batac

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? - Ha3rvey (Free hugs!)

MUST ... HAVE ... THE PRECIOUS! - Steven Perez

First! - AJ Batac

Not even close. - Alex Scoble

Pizang! - Alex Scoble

fully expect this thread to still be going on in the morning - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

If it's not still going in 5 days, it's a massive friendfeed FAIL - Alex Scoble

HA! I'm gonna crash friendfeed right now! - Meryn Stol

Oh no I know, I'm just gonna hide the thread. Got you now! - Meryn Stol

Crash? What be that? - teh Dork Knight

I just ate a chocolate eclair - Matt Harwood

Sorry but your hide button has been hidden. - Alex Scoble

I predict someone will need to gas up this thread at around 115 Comms., based on past mileage. - Micah Wittman

Huh?? What crash? I can't bother expanding the comments. - Roberto Bonini

This thread is already the most commented thread for the day. - Alex Scoble

The next person to comment after me is a complete failure and will never amount to anything (still wanna post, ey?) - Matt Harwood

Not even close, Matt. I have my failure shields up. - Alex Scoble

Matt: May you live in interesting times. :) - Roberto Bonini

Bahhhh! Worth a try I guess. Reminds me of when school kids used to say "Twats Say What" really quick, of course... you could do nothing but say What?! ;) - Matt Harwood

:) - Danielle Closs

i win! - Cardeen Martinez

iWould Die4 U - Josh Haley

The Cake is a Lie - CW™

there was cayke?! - Simon Wicks

*Fillup* ... *Windshield Wash* ... *Fresh Tires* ... *GO! GO! GO!* - Micah Wittman

The end. (Hey, it's worth a try.) - Ontario Emperor

Not yet. - Alex Scoble

I like Puppies - CW™

I like dollar cost averaging. - Alex Scoble

Who doesn't like puppies? - Jason Wehmhoener

Something non-sequitor - Josh Haley

I like puppies, but I like kittens the most. - Alex Scoble

Why do like dollar costs averageing, Alex? - Roberto Bonini

It's a good way to minimize risk buying in to a down market or selling in to an up market. Since you never know where the bottom or top is. - Alex Scoble

I agree in principal but disagree with the statement - CW™

That makes no sense, Chris. - Alex Scoble

ARE YOU READY FOR THIS? I googled "Who will win this thread" - Lo and behold an automotive forum thread was started March 2, 2006, has 3 comments just today (Feb 9, 2009), and has 975 comment pages totaling over ==> 14,600 COMMENTS <=== (and counting) http://forums.motortrend.com/70... - Micah Wittman

Exactly - CW™

Well. Seems we have our work cut us for us, then. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

so im last ? - Simon Wicks

ME! - Brandy Lea

wasnt me then, my bad - Simon Wicks

How many times will I post a comment in this thread?? - CW™

anybody else hear that dripping sound? - Morgan Haley

Bookmarking now and putting a reminder to check in a few weeks. - Rob H.

is this a race? - Live4Emma (L4S)

It's a race with no end. - Joey Gibson

So, more of a death march, then? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

I have a bad feeling about this ... - timepilot

*singing* 'always and forever...' - Morgan Haley

Let's get this party started for real this time. American Football, Baseball, AND Basketball are all complete rubbish. You may create your mosh pit now - Matt Harwood

no mosh pit, circle pit!! - Simon Wicks

As US citizen I completely agree with Mr. Harwood. European Syncronized Diving (football) is the only real sport. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

I agree, Matt. Formula 1 FTW! - Alex Scoble

Ok folks! That's it! Drink up and get out! You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here! Everybody out! Thanks for coming! See you tomorrow. Don't worry, I'll lock up.... - Morgan Haley

Someone tried this on Fark once, And Drew/Mike/Some coder there set up their post to always be at the bottom with a 1 second later time stamp than the latest post. - Matthew DeVries

Hrm...it's possible this thread will never die - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

Matthew: wow, really? - Morgan Haley

Morgan, you can take a break now - AJ Batac

Oh noes, an 'h' snuck into the title. =P - Anika

Somthing like that Mark. - Roberto Bonini

somebody call me? no? huh...that's weird... - Morgan Haley

ROFL - Alex Scoble

I concur - Morgan Haley

It ain't over 'til it's over. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

cue the fat lady - Morgan Haley

Worst. Thread. Ever. (in the voice of comic book guy from Simpsons) - David Bisset (sn)

And that's the news for tonight. Good night America. - Morgan Haley

oh i go this! - Live4Emma (L4S)

YOU'VE GOT TO GET MAD. - Steven Perez

*drops pants* - Johnny Worthington

Wake me up before you go go. - Morgan Haley

You had me at tread... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

this thread is awesome - andy brudtkuhl

I'm not even going to bother to participate in this obvious attempt at comment-baiting. - Glen Campbell

I'M MAD AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!!!!!!!!! - Matt Harwood

Who? - Steven Perez

*Picks up his ball* 'Screw you guys! I'm going home!' - Morgan Haley

seriously guys, I GOT THIS - Live4Emma (L4S)

CAN YOU DIG IT? - Steven Perez

"Tatsumaki-Senpuu-Kyaku"... YOU WIN!.... Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding... Da-Na-Da... Vrooom... - Johnny Worthington

ROFL - Alex Scoble

Seriously Flippity....UNDER CONTROL - Live4Emma (L4S)

Thank you Fans!! We love you!!! Good night! - Morgan Haley

Is this thing on... *tap tap* - Far

No...it isn't. Stop talking in to it. It's a banana anyhow. - Alex Scoble

Will this thread ever finish? I - Johnny Worthington

Bam! - Holger Eilhard

Will this thread ever end? I'll discuss it here: - Johnny Worthington

look it, y'all...IT'S SECURE...I GOT IT - Live4Emma (L4S)

1. No - Johnny Worthington

But L4S, are you sure? If not, more than willing to step in and take charge of this - Matt Harwood

Humbuckers! - Alex Scoble

i went away for a while, has anyone won yet ? - Simon Wicks

tehKenny “The last comment in this t*h*read wins. GO!” 4 hours ago - Comment - Like - Hide - More Josh Haley, ·[▪_▪]·, Haggis (Sean), Rahsheen ™, AJ Batac, Steven Perez, Alex Scoble, Far, andy brudtkuhl, Ontario Emperor, Ethan Baker, LouCypher, Kol Tregaskes, VC Freak, Alfredo, Simon Wicks, Just Katie, Ben Jackson, Morton Fox and Morgan Haley liked this - Johnny Worthington

Johnny won! Congrats! - Live4Emma (L4S)

I am clear to take the shot! I'm taking the shot! Fox 1! - Morgan Haley

It's just another Manic Monday.... OHHOOOOOOHHH - AJ Batac

Boobs - Johnny Worthington

SHE'S A SUPER FREAK, SUPER FREAK - Matt Harwood

A LONG TIME AGO, IN A FF THREAD FAR, FAR TOO LONG...... - Morgan Haley

i give up - Live4Emma (L4S)

*burp* - CW™

im watching xmen, what are you doing? - Simon Wicks

I admire the sticktoittiveness that you are all showing... but i must warn you...i have no life and winning this is the only thing I got keeping hope alive....come on man, please! just please let me have this one tiny little victory....please!!! - Morgan Haley

pish - Nathan Rein

I 'pish' on your grave Nathan! :-) - Morgan Haley

The day, the MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSIC DIED - Matt Harwood

Pfft :p - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

ok, i guess i'll just let you guys have this one...i'm gonna leave now...good luck...bye....*footsteps get fainter*.... - Morgan Haley

Oh no, not this again. - Carmen

i know...it's almost sad now...the pathetic little attempts to post *anything!* sheesh... - Morgan Haley

*runs after Morgan to give worldly advice in a Morgan Freeman voice - Matt Harwood

*sits down to listen to the advice offered by Matt "Morgan Freeman voice" Harwood - Morgan Haley

Oh my God. My Internet went down. Came back up.... AND THE TREAD IS STILL ON! - teh Dork Knight

Well now, I remember when I was a boy, and I came to a crossroad in my life, similar to you. You see Morgan, there's no greater destiny, no greater accomplishment in life, than writing the last comment. Now my thread, my thread died. But yours, yours will succeed. Now fetch me a sandwich. - Matt Harwood

*Rises up with a renewed sense of purpose. Fetches a sandwich for Mr. Freeman. Realizes that there can be only one. One final comment. One victor. **begin training montage to 'Jukebox Hero' by Foreigner...** - Morgan Haley

BLOODSPORT II: FRIENDFEED. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

*Enjoys sandwich* Thank you, partner - Matt Harwood

you are welcome. but please don't comment after me on this thread. i'm trying to win a free trip to Japan with my band class. - Morgan Haley

Japan is awesomesauce! I want some miso negi ramen! - Alex Scoble

b-cuz - Morgan Haley

SECOND! - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Wind? - Alex Scoble

whats this doing all the way down here ? - Simon Wicks

That's what she said... - Johnny Worthington

and DEEP too! - Morgan Haley

hahaha brilliant idea :) - Zee.

Danged if I know. - Alex Scoble

The last comment in this t*h*read wins - CW™

Is any one getting this on video? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

No, Mark, no one is getting it on with their video...oh wait, what? - Alex Scoble

game on! - Dobromir Hadzhiev

FIRST! EDIT: LAST! - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

Everyone comments after John. - Alex Scoble

I'm usually a thread killer... maybe i'll win! - Jason

I am bowing out of this thread. Good luck all you peeps. - Morgan Haley

John who? - Jeremy Brooks

Me? - Johnny Worthington

Which John? - Anika

I'll believe that when I see it, Morgan. - Alex Scoble

im scared to hit the 242 more comments button - Simon Wicks

Which thread? This thread? - Lisa L. Seifert

No, your other thread, Lisa. - Alex Scoble

Oh. Thanks, Alex. - Lisa L. Seifert

You guys are sooooooo immature, I'm going to end this right now with my comment (hehehheee) - sofarsoShawn

LANDSHARK - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Candygram. - Alex Scoble

WAAAASSSAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUP! - Steven Perez

WAAASSSSAAAABBBIIIIII! - Alex Scoble

Hut 1, Hut 2, Hut 3, HUT! Old Dirty Bastard, Live and Uncut! - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

Stop. I win. - Lisa L. Seifert

Nuh-uh, I do. - Anika

Hooooooooold on just a second... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

DAMN YOU, JILL & ANIKA! *shakes fist* Edit: and Mark. *cough* - Lisa L. Seifert

I just realized why Friendfeed comments don't allow white space: ASCII art. - Jason Wehmhoener

Don't try to change the subject Jason. And Lisa, :P - Anika

Give it up. - Glen Campbell

Not in this lifetime, Glen. :) - Alex Scoble

There was a subject? - Jason Wehmhoener

Glen, you're not the boss of me! >.< - Anika

Hello. I've come for an arguement. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Hahaha, omg, 269 comments now? It's the neverending thread... - Danielle Closs

The only way to win is not to play. - Andrew C

Still has a ways to go. It will never get to 560. - Alex Scoble

It will eventually stall out like this thread http://friendfeed.com/e... - Alex Scoble

pish - Nathan Rein

is there a time limit? - Simon Wicks

When it stops showing up on the front page. - Alex Scoble

what do i win? - Trent Olson

Carolanne! Go to the light! All Welcome! - Morgan Haley

You actually have to have the last post, ever...to win....welcome to the Thunderdome. - Alex Scoble

Are we there yet? - Morton Fox

i'm going to bed. i hope this is still here when i get back. I trust you my overseas friendfeeders. - Simon Wicks

Just around the corner, Morton. Put your seatbelt back on. - Lisa L. Seifert

it lingers like the smell of wet dog - Morgan Haley

Is this a secret way to get us all to test hide? - Robert Scoble

You mean you haven't hidden this post yet, Robert? Isn't this type of thing the very definition of noise to you? - Alex Scoble

I believe this is a total waste of time and resources that could be used in making me cake. Now get to it! - CW™

Let them eat thread! - Morgan Haley

I feel victorious. - Andru Edwards

Andru: yeah, you and everyone else! - Morgan Haley

I win!! :) - Susan Beebe

Nope, sorry. :-D - Jordan Hofker

BOOOOOYAAAAA! GIMME DA LOOT! - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

I'm the winnnna!!!! - Mathew™ one of a kind

No your not. - CW™

uh. HAI! what did I win? - Trish Haley

If post after me, I WILL CUT YOU! - Eric @ CS Techcast

Yes you will! - CW™

I think I need a surgeon.. - CW™

I think I need to win this thread war. - Alex Scoble

position claiming comment - Morgan Haley

Great! Now all suckers line up after this one ;) - Ashish Rangole

You calling me a sucker? - CW™

Oh my.. 315 comments! - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

damnit i didn't win - Cardeen Martinez

tehKenny wins? - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

Can someone please explain tentacle porn to me? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

NUTELLA! - Steven Perez

Yes, I declare Gabe the winner. - Anika

comment - JA Castillo

I don't think this thread will ever end, here's why. - coldbrew

I DON'T WANNA WIN!!!!! - vijay

Don't worry Vijay, I already declared Gabe the winner. - Anika

What thread? - Amit Nangare

What do I win? I don't want to participate till I read all the terms and conditions (no purchase necessary, void where prohibited except on Tuesdays and Thursdays, etc..). - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

I'm down with a mango. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

WINNER! - Mathew™ one of a kind

A winner is me! - Internet's Tad

Tad loses! I win! - Jeremy Brooks

I warn you. I won a previous thread-killing thread (http://friendfeed.com/e...). I'll keep commenting, and commenting, and commenting. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

I just posted another comment to demonstrate that I'll keep commenting. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

It's like a staring contest, and my eyes do not dry out. Well they do, but I just suck it up. - Jeremy Brooks

Is this over yet? - Jason

No...it's not. - Alex Scoble

Not yet. - Vince DeGeorge

Is there a limit to comments in FF? What's the highest you've seen? - David Bisset (sn)

We have no idea, Bisset...and like 555 is the most we've seen. - Alex Scoble

Hello Dolly - CW™

O HAI - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

The next comment will be the one directly after mine. Seriously. - Derrick Burns

Word. - Alex Scoble

Anyone win yet? - Jordan Hofker

Nope. - Alex Scoble

oh - Tamar Weinberg

FTW - Darren Heydon

This is the thread that never ends, and it goes on and on my friends - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

It will probably last well beyond just the nighttime, Jill. - Tamar Weinberg

IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK? - Ha3rvey (Free hugs!)

comment comment comment - Jeremy Brooks

Whatevsies. - felicious

44,000+ comments (going since Aug 2001), named " This thread now has its own gravitational field " http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums... - Micah Wittman

what do I win? - Bryan Clark

tentacle pron? does that involve cthulu? - Trent Olson

>YAWN< - Ha3rvey (Free hugs!)

Whoa. A forum dedicated to Rush (yes, that one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) has a thread starting with "I'm Bored" which is up to 412,374 posts http://www.rushmessageboard.com/cpmb... Back-story here: http://www.urch.com/forums... - Micah Wittman

Rush rules!! - Josh Haley

morning you suckers, still trying to win? - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Throw out your hands. Stick out your tush. Hands on your hips. Give 'em a push. You'll be surprised, you're doing the French mistake....Voila! - .LAG liked that

*p00p* - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

this is madness! - Mladen Srdić

No it isn't. Congress is madness - CW™

FIRST! - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Heh. - Roshni

We're gunning for a new record in # of comments, a record that this post has (550): http://friendfeed.com/e... - Hutch Carpenter

i hear jerusalem bells a' ringing, roman cavalry choirs a' singing... - .LAG liked that

*THIS THREAD HAS BEEN LOCKED/UNDER MODERATION.* Please "Hide" - Andrew Smith

Josh with his "Rush Rules", and then -crickets- for 45 minutes. I was staring at it and simple couldn't comment further. It had its own force shield. - Micah Wittman

Sir, Yes Sir! No problem! Will HIDE immediately. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

I LIKE PUDDING. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

Bacoonnn!!!! - Alemsah Ozturk

Somebody's trying to break Friendfeed - bad! :P - Susan Beebe

What... Huh... Where am I? - Brian Roy

393 comments? That's it? :p - Josh Haley

i kissed a girl. and i liked it! - .LAG liked that

*I'm* not gonna break friendfeed. - Trent Olson

Serious? I need to find a chick to kiss...lol - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

:P'''''' - CW™

( | ) - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

http://friendfeed.com/e... - Johnny Worthington

Damn straight Christopher - Threepwood

I'm not budging - sofarsoShawn

you're no stranger to love. you know the rules...and so, do, i!!!! - .LAG liked that

bwaaahhha ha ha!!! ... oh sh!t... no wait - "last" - I win... - =SNAZ= from twhirl

the secret to everlasting FF posts....:) - WorldofHiglet

A NEW CAR! dat dat dunnuuuh! dat dat dunnuuuh! dat dat da diiih dadiiih dadiiih dat dat dat daaaah - Josh Haley

you guys stink, like poo, I almost clinched it w/ flippity - sofarsoShawn

Andrew edges into the lead.... - Andrew Terry

And alemsah reaches for the stars!!! - Alemsah Ozturk

:) - Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau

Holy crap that was a good idea! - Ciaoenrico

I wonder how many comments will end up here...? :) - Andrew Terry

Its still alive! - Simon Wicks

*Bump* - Tyson Key

rats..! I thought I had this in the bag... please stop adding comments!!! :-) - Andrew Terry

Never! - Vince DeGeorge

allo! - sofarsoShawn

46 mins and no new comments. do i win? - Simon Wicks

pish - Nathan Rein

If you love stupid and mean people that eat kittens and park in your spot, comment anything below this comment. - Jemm

Bump again - Baard @ Pixum

FTW - Joe Dawson

Comments are now closed. - Phil Boiarski

Ok... move along. Nothing here to see. - AJ Batac

The masked commenter strikes again! - Alex Scoble

you know what? - Simon Wicks

We're going for broke! - Tyson Key

this thread sucks! - Tamar Weinberg

wow! that's a lot of comments - Bryan Clark

What? - teh Dork Knight

Only 1,000,945,323 to go! - Mathew™ one of a kind

Whee! Lalalala - Tyson Key

I wonder if there's a limit to the number of comments? 2^32? - Glen Campbell

Could this thread eventually suck FriendFeed into a wormhole and break the space-time continuum? - Tyson Key

I'm not giving up - Hutch Carpenter

What's the prize? Oh wait, don't anyone answer that.... - Kevin C. Tofel

The next person who comments is a big poo poo head. - Internet's Tad

The next person to post is a poopy-head. (Pass the loot!) - david beckwith

Gabe already won! >.< - Anika

Heh; david called Anika a poopy-head... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Does this thread have the most comments evar? - B. Hatin

*Castle Thunder* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Micah Wittman

I thought it was a rule that only Scoble could have threads this long. - Her Lindsay-ness

Have you ever seen tehKenny and scobleizer together in the same room? Exactly. - Micah Wittman

I have just been compared with a Scoble... AND it's not the "Alex" one? What have I done? - teh Dork Knight

@tehKenny just be happy it wasn't Maryam... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

do i win? - Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)

Maybe. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

JD - No. - Russellreno

@tehKenny/scobleizer I'm afraid you spawned a FriendFeed -inside- a single thread. That's right, a "µFF" service. For better or for worse (*danger* ...http://www.fborfw.com/strip_f... ) - Micah Wittman

No one wins. We all win. It's the same thing. - Alex Scoble

Yo dawg, I heard you like to Friendfeed, so I put a Friendfeed in your Friendfeed so you can Friendfeed while you Friendfeed. - Jason Wehmhoener

So, Alex... FriendFeed is zero-sum? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Zero-sum or infinity-sum? You decide. As long as Tyson has time to burn, we all win by virtue of his "likes". - Alex Scoble

One day, the world will click on the link to open the rest of the comments, while pleading "Save us!", and FriendFeed will simply answer "No." - Josh Haley

I only have 425 comments! Look like blocking changes out what numbers you see. - Anika

@Josh while black ink spreads across the FF logo. - vijay

This thing is still goin? - andy brudtkuhl

@andy No, it isn't. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

never gonna give you up. never gonna set you down. never gonna run around. and. hurt. you! - .LAG liked that

<('-'<) ^('-')^ (>'-')> KIRBY DANCE!!!!! - Alfredo

We're a competitive bunch, eh? - Jordan Hofker

FALCON PUNCH!!! yes we are - Alfredo

then get the heck outta here ;) - Alfredo

SHORYUKEN!!!!! how bout now? - Alfredo

I concur with Flippity. - vijay

I disagree. I'll discuss it here: - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

I agree with Flippity and vijay. - Anika

Hi Jilly! Much better. I'm healing up pretty fast. :) - vijay

483 - Simon Wicks

What does one win? - Ian May

Absolutely Jilly :) I think I've had enough extreme sports action to last a long time =P - vijay

Hrmmm... Just realized I had yet to click 'Like.' - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Mark, thanks for reminding me to *like* this myself. - vijay

WHAT! - Steven Perez

DAMN YOU STEVEN PEREZ!!!! - vijay

she's alright. she's alright. that girl's alright...with me... yeah! - .LAG liked that

But way better! - Alex Scoble

This challenge is like a puffer train in the game of Life (as in cellular automata). It is structured to go on forever. Does FF have the server capacity to handle an infinite thread? - Tim Ostler

Somewhere soon a database table is going to cry. - David Bisset (sn)

This thread is still going???????? I think they do, but don't blame me for a buffer overflow. - Roberto Bonini

This thread is pretty close to catching up to the other never-ending thread. http://friendfeed.com/e... - Alex Scoble

Comment #501. - Joey Gibson

I WAZ HERE - Shey, Jamaican of FF

NO YOU WUZN'T! - Alex Scoble

IZ HERE - Canada's Web Shop

OH HAI! I CAN HAZ REKURD? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

No way Mark! -

Stabbity! - Alex Scoble

The last comment. - Phil Boiarski

This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on my friend. Some people started writing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue writing it forever just because this is the thread that never ends... - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

I SEE LONDON, ... - Steven Perez

"The last comment in this thread" - Phil Boiarski

I SEE FRANCE. - Anika

Hey i see france every day. They are a lot closer. ;) - Roberto Bonini

I SEE FRANCE - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

I'M NOT WEARING UNDERPANTS - Alan Simpson

MY EYES MY EYES..... - Roberto Bonini

[ogles Alan's love sac] - Anika

Wow Anika, just wow :) - Mattb4rd

Mark and Anika, I'm IN FRANCE. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)

You better watch out Matt, or I'll start ogling yours too. ;P - Anika

:p - cjmart

DAMN YOU TIM GEITHNER! - Alex Scoble

pssst, I'm getting my hair did - sofarsoShawn

It's done, not did you dolt. - Roberto Bonini

I come from the hood man, watch it! - sofarsoShawn

This is still going on? Wow. Keep up the good work all! - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

I just can't read 523 posts! - Kelly W.

Just kidding. :) - Roberto Bonini

chupacabra - Alfredo

I have chicken in my teeth. - Anika

"OOOOOOHHHH YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!" ~ Cool-Aid Man - Alfredo

My cat's breath smells like cat food. - Internet's Tad

pish - Nathan Rein

It's "Kool-Aid". LOL - Anika

"OOOOOOHHHH YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!" ~ Kool-Aid Man (fixed ^_^ ) - Alfredo

Never quit! Never surrender! - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

sorry, that won't do - sofarsoShawn

Me? Why thank you. I'll use my powers for evil...er...I mean good. - Anika

YOU CAN'T STOP A MOVING TRAIN. - Nine

What about the kool-aid? - Roberto Bonini

You must be joking. This thread is far from over. - Alex Scoble

I won't accept that. -

"OOOOOOHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!" ~ Kool-Aid Man - Alfredo

I demand a recount. - ronin

when did the new title come around? - Simon Wicks

I'm sorry, but as the king of England I do not recognize this victory. - Alex Scoble

When I frickin' FELT like it, Simon. :P :) - teh Dork Knight

“The following thread will go on. But just so you know Anika won.” ~ BLASPHEMY - Alfredo

tehKenny has had his power to determine the winner of this thread stripped by the authority vested in the friendfeedosphere. Sorry man, but it's the last person who comments on this thread, ever. Not who you determine is the winner. - Alex Scoble

Why did Anika win?? - Roberto Bonini

I CALL SECOND!!!! SHORYUKEN!!!!! - Alfredo

*crickets* - Alfredo

Second? You have no authority to make these rules! I proclaim your rules to be weaksauce! - Alex Scoble

aOh good Lord, I finally opened up this thread AND read it. My scroll finger hurts and y'all are crazy. - Anika

and what's the prize anyways? - WorldofHiglet

I don't even bother opening the thread. Don't want RSI. - Roberto Bonini

Bloop bloop bloop bloop bloop! - Alex Scoble

HEY! You can't take away my title. I WUZ ROBBED!! - Anika

Click here http://friendfeed.com/e... and you won't go further, thus this comment is really the last one :) - directeur

This thread brought to you by Mathew Ballard's photography on Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Mathew™ one of a kind

Nice try, directeur...I'm too clever to fall for your schemes. - Alex Scoble

http://friendfeed.com/e... - Alfredo

I want my title back. QQ - Anika

27 hours and it's at #3 best of month .... - teh Dork Knight

Nyah nyeah nyean yeah! - Alex Scoble

I believe that this is now the most commeented thread of all time!!!! - Alex Scoble

We're only at #3? Come on, we can do better than that! Let's be #1 of all time! - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

last, last , laaast! - Alemsah Ozturk

pish - Nathan Rein

Not last. - Alex Scoble

I'm a little scared to load the 569 more comments. O.O - Kevykev

We are at #1 of all time. - Alex Scoble

It's okay Kevykev. It's painful. *less* I mean painless. - Anika

Bleem bleem bleem bleem bleem! - Alex Scoble

<('-'<) ^('-')^ (>'-')> KIRBY DANCE!!!! - Alfredo

Alfredo: You sir just made my day. Kirby FTW! - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Okay, I'm willing to *share* my stolen title with Alfredo for the Kirby dance. AWESOME. - Anika

Yay! - Alfredo

*zoink* - Alex Scoble

this is evil. pure evil. - Chieze Okoye

which post? - Jesse Stay

pish - Nathan Rein

damn, I thought I had that. - Chieze Okoye

someone say something? - Simon Wicks

*chirp* *chirp* - Alex Scoble

Wow, I think this sucker is up to or passed 600 comments now. - Alex Scoble

pish - Nathan Rein

Bloody hell. - Joey Gibson

OMGWTFBBQ - Steven Perez

wow this is close to 600 comments now :) - Susan Beebe

According to FFHolic this will be the 607th comment. - Alex Scoble

when you were mine, i gave you all of my money. you were so fine. you did me wrong! - .LAG liked that

600! - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Your comment was actually 609, Mark. This is 611. - Alex Scoble

Mark frowns upon those who tell others how to count on FriendFeed. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

You frown a lot, Mark. Your cat is not amused. - Alex Scoble

gonna go for it again. - Chieze Okoye

Nice try. - Alex Scoble

It is now 11:22 AM PST. If no one comments on this thread by 11:30 AM PST (you have 8 minutes) I declare myself the winner of this thread. - Alex Scoble

It is now 11:31 AM PST. You did not post anything. I did. So I win. Thanks for playing. This contest is now over! - Alex Scoble

I love being king of the internets. - Alex Scoble

I must get my PRECIOUS from the fat one! - Morgan Haley

I'm not liking where this is headed. - Alex Scoble

*streaks* - Bec Rowe @d0tski

Mine! - Alex Scoble

Don't challenge me. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Mine! - Alex Scoble

Hrmm - Rob H.

What's the prize? - Anthony K. Valley ©

Oh, OK. Internet fame. Is that good? - Anthony K. Valley ©

Mine! - Alex Scoble

Not any more! BOOYAH! - Chieze Okoye

Mine, again. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Mine! - Alex Scoble

Kol's - Anthony K. Valley ©

Nope... Alex's - Anthony K. Valley ©

This is never going to end. - Chieze Okoye

I believe that you are right, Chieze. - Alex Scoble

uh... - Josh Haley

Win - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

sweet - Josh Haley

Oh no you don't Haley! - Johnny Worthington

*belch* - Bec Rowe @d0tski

Oh noes! It's teh Bec Rowe and her power belching from down under! Somebody save us! - Anthony K. Valley ©

600 comments! - Alex Scoble

and then some - Josh Haley

still going, huh? - Chieze Okoye

Yup. - Alex Scoble

80085 - Josh Haley

No. Way. - LogEx

Nup - Mo Kargas

Never will die. - Mike Nayyar

Losers :oP - Katie: Witch Of The West

ICE CUBE RAWKS. - Steven Perez

*dances* - Mo Kargas

DAMN ME STEVEN PEREZ! - Steven Perez

Kilroy was here. - Alex Scoble

pish - Nathan Rein

posh - Alex Scoble

I win! :) - Susan Beebe

no - Nathan Rein

No one wins...not today. - Alex Scoble

Considering that I'm the last person to comment in this thread for over 24 hours, I hereby, once again, declare myself the winner. - Alex Scoble

But by doing so of course, you have re-ignited the contest. Catch-22. - LogEx

Well it's obvious which of us is OCD. - Alex Scoble

I like macaroni. - Bec Rowe @d0tski

Lets get to 666 - Josh Haley

NOT AGAIN!!!! - Steven Perez

Bork bork bork bork! - Alex Scoble

666!!!!! This Thread is now offically EEEEEEEEEEVIL! No! The power of Scoble COMPELS YOU! The power of SCOBLE COMPELS YOU! - teh Dork Knight

gib it up, folks - Nathan Rein

Aww, Nathan...I didn't get a chance to post to this yet! - Scott of Two Countries

bam! - Chieze Okoye

This thread isn't evil. This thread is full of WIN! - Alex Scoble

pish posh - Nathan Rein

Gak. - Alex Scoble

non - Josh Haley

la derriere, c'est moi - Nathan Rein

I got your derriere right here - Josh Haley

i meant dernière, i think - Nathan Rein

Still mine, I'm afraid. - Alex Scoble

pish - Nathan Rein

Mine! Get off! - Alex Scoble

non - Josh Haley

DAMN YOU STEVEN PEREZ! - Alex Scoble

I win? - Matthew DeVries

Nope. - Alex Scoble

:p - Josh Haley

Heh, Josh. - Alex Scoble

684. - Alex Scoble

There was once a thread like this on Fark, that got so big everytime anyone would call it, it would kill the servers, they eventually just had to kill it. - Matthew DeVries

win - Josh Haley

these guys are smoking this thread anyway http://friendfeed.com/e... - Josh Haley

Yeah, this thread is weaksauce now. :( - Alex Scoble

BEEP - Aaron Baer

oops, just BUMPed into this thread. I cant believe this is still floating around - Threepwood

shouldn't feed this. this is madness. I think you set a record, tehKenny. I'm probably the 50th person to say so... a bit scared to open & see, but I will..... ok, no, amended per what Micah said. 14,600????? good luck touching that one. you set an FF record though, for sure - Kamilah Gill

I'm still here. - Alex Scoble

I win - Tyler (Chacha)

try again Chacha! - embee

You woke me up! - Simon Wicks

Watchmen - AJ Batac

why not - Keith - @tsudo

What do you win? - Glen Campbell

first! - Josh Haley

*cough* - Bec Rowe @d0tski

I won :) - Alp

nope - Josh Haley

oh god no. - vijay

WIN - Mike Nayyar

LOSE - Josh Haley

someone say something? - Simon Wicks

unicorn poop glitter! - vijay

Yay! I win! - Internet's Tad

think again. - vijay

I don't remember every demanding this returns. Have to check back through my memos... - Mark Traphagen

first! - Josh Haley

Wow. - teh Dork Knight

So I can be a winner?!??!! I guess that is right up until the next person posts. - Christian (Simply X)

yes. - vijay

Whut? - Steven Perez

I refuse to give up. - Christian (Simply X)

Won? - CW™

no - Nathan Rein

not gonna stop there either - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down... YOU=ME... - Dobromir Hadzhiev

what constitutes as "popular demand'? - MicahBear78

Where? - Steven Perez

not here - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

STOP the INSANITY! - Christian (Simply X)

Ping! - Tyson Key

Pong! - Russellreno

mine - Josh Haley

NOT. - Steven Perez

Me me me!! - Kevin Nordmand

Just passing through. - Carmen

Who started this one again? ;-) Oh, we need more likes for this one: http://beta.friendfeed.com/funny-p... ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

looks like i am staying up then lol still - Tatty Gibson

no - Nathan Rein

someone has to win this - Glen Campbell

Claiming victory! - Laura B needin' waders

I' will never day die. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I kill all threads! - CAJ, somewhere else

no - Nathan Rein

uh huh - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I WIN. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

No, you don't - LouCypher

I'm so going to be the last ^^ - Toni @ NavinoT

wewt - Josh Haley

WOOOO - mjc

nope - Nathan Rein

nice - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

When's it end? - Kevin Pedraja

Is it over yet? Oh. - Morton Fox

Las Post. - Michael R. Bernstein

Ppp-pick up a Post! - Tyson Key

o hai - Josh Haley

meep meep - Kevin Johnson

this should be renamed to FriendFeed boundary testing - You.

what? - Steven Perez

huh - Simon Wicks

ok - Baard @ Pixum

sweet - Josh Haley

I am glad I won - Mike Nayyar

You did? - B. Hatin

So..... who won? :) - Kevin C. Tofel

me! - Simon Wicks

gee - Josh Haley

and? - Baard @ Pixum

tomatoes - Josh Haley

wrinked ping skin! - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕

What? - Jordan Hofker

No. I did. - Steve Lowe

Derrick Burns

Urgent Mission - http://xkcd.com/567/

April 10 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

A kindred spirit. - Derrick Burns

Derrick Burns

MIT builds battery from bacterial virus, humans to power machines by 2012 - http://www.engadget.com/2009...

April 3 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

High-efficiency, high-density batteries that are nearly self-assembling and can be produced at or below room temperature: yeah, I'm sure we'll find a way to do something foolish and short-sighted with this technology. - Derrick Burns

Derrick Burns

Robot Makes Autonomous Scientific Discovery for First Time [Science] - http://i.gizmodo.com/5196845...

April 3 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Of course, the true test of any research-oriented AI is going to be how [he/she/it] navigates the subtle--and not-so-subtle--politics of publishing academia. - Derrick Burns

Derrick Burns

Comedy Central Insider Blog » Jon Stewart Nails O'Reilly on Right to Privacy - http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009...

February 10 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Futile ideological face-slapping by Jon Stewart, once again directed at Bill O'Reilly, principally because he makes it so damned easy. - Derrick Burns from Bookmarklet

Yuvi

Okay people, wish me happy birthday.

February 8 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

VC Freak, Shey, Jamaican of FF, Derrick Burns and 24 other people liked this

3 more yrs before legal boozing?? - kartik vaithyanathan

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OK...Happy Birthday! - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

Happy Birthday! - Alex Scoble

Happy Birthday Yuvi! :) - directeur

Thanks a lot people! :) - Yuvi

Happy birthday Yuvi. I hope you're having a great day. - ♥patricia♥

I already did in another thread. DON'T TELL ME HOW TO USE FRIENDFEED - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

~~~ HAPPY BIRTHDAY YUVI!!!! ~~~ You're one of my favorite friendfeeders! :) Hoping you have a really fun birthday with lots of beer and chocolate cake! :D - Susan Beebe

Mark, :) You're not allowed to yell at him today. It's his birthday. And I can say that because it's not a FF rule. It's just a general life rule. So there. :p - ♥patricia♥

Happy Birthday! - Christopher Harley

happy birthday! - Anika

Happy birthday! - The Bohemian Penguin

Happy Birthday! - Michelle Martinez

Happy b-day! :) - Jemm

Happy Birthday! - Emma

Happy Birthday, Yuvi! :-) - Kol Tregaskes from twhirl

Happy Birthday! - Tyson Key

Happy Birthday!!! =D - David Cook

Happy b'day - MiniMage, sheeple of FF

happy birthday! - Anna Lynn M.

Happy birthday, Yuvi! - Sally Church

happity hip hop birthday! - MicahBear78

Happy Birthday :D - ♥ Stephiepooos ♥

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!! - Christian (Simply X)

Feliz cumpleaños!! - JA Castillo

Glücklich Geburtstag! - Christian (Simply X)

Happy BDAY - Shevonne

Happy Birthday - Rodfather

Happy b-day!! - Derrick

After you called me old?? - Charlie Anzman

Happy Birthday Yuvi! - Parth Awasthi

Happy Birthday!! -] - Chris Loft

Happy Birthday Yivi - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Happy burthday - RAPatton

Happy Birthday 'kid' :) - Charlie Anzman

Happy Birthday! - Derrick Burns

Happy birthday! - Ladybug Heather

As you wish sir -- Happy Birthday! - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Happy Birthday! - Jason Shultz from twhirl

Paul Reynolds

Exhibitionists beware: Myrtle Beach is watching - http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news...

February 9 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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Mental note: must go up to Topsail, NC. - Paul Reynolds

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Of course the point of Exhibition is that you WANT people watching. You don't have to goto NC Paul - just apply to the MB Police and see if you can get on the anti-thong task force. :-p - David Knight

I think the reality is most exhibitionists aren't typically the type of people I actually want to see, uh, exhibiting their treats. Besides, I've got the Internet! I'm also very happy to say I think I lack the requirements to be a police. ;o) - Paul Reynolds

Arrest on the first offense, huh? Guess I better pack my Speedo and head north to hit the sand this summer. - Derrick Burns

Derrick Burns

HOWTO learn to program PDP-11 assembler with a modern PC and SIMH - http://www.boingboing.net/2009...

February 7 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

This is just too cool. I've always had a sick fascination with archaic hardware and programming languages. But a PDP-11? Now THAT is hardcore. And just think: In a few years time, when I've managed to toggle in a full TCP/IP stack, I'll be able to have the word's first PDP-compatible Twitter client. - Derrick Burns

Derrick Burns

IEEE Spectrum: The Trouble With Touch Screens - http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/jan09...

February 7 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

The touchscreen on your iPhone 5g will almost certainly be made of carbon nanotubes, if not something altogether more exotic. - Derrick Burns

Robert Scoble

Google just came out with "Latitude" which will show everyone where you are. http://m.google.com/maps... Discuss it here:

February 4 - Comment - Like - Share

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http://friendfeed.com/e... - Andre

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This looks like the payoff from the Jaiku purchase. Location aware applications are the way to go, I just don't know if it will reach the critical mass and flow necessary for it to become useful. - Dave Senior

Nothin new here.Nokia had launched an App like this called "friendView" months ago. Although yes....this has a broader scope since it supports multiple platforms , rather than just symbian phones. - Ray

Google Latitude makes my phone smarter than the Jaiku Nokia client ever did. I'm looking for connections bgoldbach@yahoo.com via Latitude. - Bernie Goldbach

Big (and little) brothers (and sisters) will be watching me. - Marc Pinter

I could see it gaining critical mass where others don't simply because it's Google. - Jalada

anybody knows how to uninstall it? I'm feeling stalked since I activated it :-\ - Markingegno - Donato

When you visit the latitude page from an iPhone, you get a coming soon page. Native iPhone app in the works? - Dave Senior

Looks really interesting! I am keen to explore it further. Oh, if anyone is interested I have a post with a couple thoughts here: http://pauljacobson.org/2009... - Paul Jacobson

Link to Nokia FriendView : https://friendview.nokia.com/ - Ray

I like this function, hopefully it will get used by many people, it makes finding people much easier. Add me if you like: diff.us@gmail.com - Uwe Schwarz

Hmm, how does this compare with FireEagle? - Tyson Key

Burglars will find this very useful. - AlexBowman

I'm still waiting on the next leap with location-based services. After using Jaiku, Plazes and numerous other LBS apps, nothing really new here, except becoming available to more people I guess... Who cares where your friend and relatives are if you can't communicate with them or exchange opinion on places, etc... For when the real contextual services integration? - Rudy De Waele

This is privacy's nightmare, anyone has some info on link between NSA and Google ? (http://bit.ly/klmw) - Christophe Pierret

Alex: only stupid ones will. How do you know who else is or is not in my home just because I'm not there? - Robert Scoble

Christophe: privacy is dead, get over it. - Robert Scoble

Every one can now be Mr Bourne & enact some CIA game - like having a chip implanted in your wrist !! Why on earth would I want anyone to track me down tho - unless I am treking in the Patagonian mountains - viki saigal

@Robert feeling the same. If you want privacy don't use the Internet :) - Orli Yakuel

Not convinced it will change my habits. It's cool technology, but it doesn't bring me value (personal view): http://vanelsas.wordpress.com/2009... - Alexander van Elsas

sorry Robert, but "privacy is dead" is a stupid argument. It may be dead for you, it is not dead for a lot of people. - Andre

The future is mobile, Google understands that. Mobile and social. Look at Japan (a country not included in the available countries, by the way). - Paul Papadimitriou

My life is an open (Mac) book ..he said ! @ Scoble - viki saigal

missing search fucntionnality when invitating friends - Frédéric Sidler

I think it's nothing dramatically new - others offer similar services - what's important is that it's Google. And that gets widespread attention and adoption readily. Piece at http://TheNextWeb.com on Latitude this morning - http://twurl.nl/ohhzrq - and a piece I wrote entitled 'Imagine there's no Google' which scared the crap out of a few people, for differing reasons! ( http://twurl.nl/0b0dx6 ) - David Petherick

Hmm, I recall certain early UMTS-enabled phones in the UK (mostly made by Motorola and NEC) having Assisted GPS functionality for use with mapping services provided by 3. Interestingly, the "Find Me" service that utilised it was discontinued ages ago, and I don't know of any services or methods of accessing that functionality with a webapp... - Tyson Key

As for privacy, don't use the app if you don't want people to know where you are. besides, it's possible to enter any info you want. currently I am in Yokohama Japan, as far as this app is concerned. - adam garrett

Latitude is pretty cool but as @mtrends (Rudy) said it's not exactly anything new. The fact that it's Google does mean it'll have far larger reach than any of the other similar mobile services I've tried in the past. Personally I would have loved to see GTalk integrated so you could chat to your friends through the same app. *That* would be a nice next step. (It is the year of conversation after all ;) - http://is.gd/i6Zn) - Tarek Abu-Esber

Andre: your cell phone company knows exactly where you are if you are carrying a cell phone. So, not sure how this has any more privacy implications than carrying around a cell phone in the first place. With this I choose who sees my location. That puts me in charge of my privacy. - Robert Scoble

Obviously they lack vision, given that Location-Based Services are a Big Thing(TM) as of late. - Tyson Key

@Robert: I know, and I have been personally using brightkite for quite some time now -- I am just trying to say that privacy is not dead at all. http://www.eff.org/issues... - Andre

and @Robert, personally I think the geo aware stuff should focus more on the paranoids. For example there is no mention of granular permissions on google latitude home. So some privacy sensitive person jumps on and say "oh fine, now everyone will be able to see where I am. not interested." - Andre

Interesting to watch what people thinks about it in Twitter search: http://search.twitter.com/search... - Orli Yakuel

Hi guys, Google scares us! We are running a LBS plus location contextual services integration (similar to brightkite) , so you can partecipate, comment, private messaging, etc... But Google has all but in separate properties, it could soon integrate Talk, MyMaps and now Latitude all together.... - Christian

Am I the only one who is not finding how to uninstall it [I'm on a laptop, using Gears] - Markingegno - Donato

I have a love/hate relationship with Google, love the services, hate the monopoly. GeoLoc is a huge topic for Sergey and Larry, this is a strategic direction of Google. Latitude will succeed, because of Google's power on the internet and Google's strategic will. They changed the way internet works by simply clustering search results by GeoIP location. I now have to fight from France to be listed in search results in the UK or US (with an english-language site), I should have hosted my server in the US... - Christophe Pierret

@scoble "That puts me in charge of my privacy"? Yes, Latitude lets you actively increase your visibility. But it doesn't limit your carrier from knowing where you are, whom you call, etc. It's a facade, not actual control. And, as cool and useful as it may actually be, privacy concerns will likely limit its mass appeal. - Tim Peter

According to the site, currently supports only Android, Blackberry, Windows, and Symbian. iPhone and Java coming soon. ;-) @davesenior was right - Danny Whitt

looks good, installed it on my SE w950i and works well. I like it. - Parth Awasthi

Since it won't support my Country, I just set it from iGoogle - Sweet. - Orli Yakuel

Hmm, does it work on Symbian OS/S60v2? Also, does it support GSM/UMTS triangulation for phones without a GPS chipset? - Tyson Key

Robert do you want privacy to be dead? Your statement leaves no room for anything else. Privacy is constantly losing ground to social media, but there shouldn't be a trade off. Put the user in control, that is the only way privacy can be managed. Unfortunately there is no business model that supports such an obvious solution ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander: I have learned over and over again that by trading my privacy I get way more back in return. So, I guess I am in the process of killing privacy in some form, yes. Certainly the world I live in is far different than the world my parents grew up in, privacy wise. - Robert Scoble

I've been using a si,ilar app called nokia friendview from nokia beta labs. But google latitude will obviously overshadow it due to the mass support/appeal. I only wish google had integrated Gtalk (nokia friendview allows you to comment on other peoples statuses through the app) with the application so you could chat with the contact in real time ..in case they have not shared their number with you. But then again ... Would you really show your location to someone who doesn't have your number ? Comments ? - Ray

@scoble I have to disagree that privacy is dead for everyone, it's dead for Web2.0aholics, for sure. Facebook / twitter / friendfeed / del.icio.us etc have public disclosure of personal information as a business model, and it brings value for PR-minded people (like U :-), for joe-the-plumber it is a whole different matter The value of public disclosure of personal information in this case is not well perceived.. - Christophe Pierret

You say you're concerned with privacy, but it seems you don't even tried to uninstall the app, do you? Did you succeed? - Markingegno - Donato

It will only work if I can turn it on for different groups of friends at different times. Also, this is one more reason Facebook needs their own Maps solution. - Jesse Stay

Christophe: I didn't realize that credit card data bases had anything to do with Web 2.0. Or cell phone services that know where you are every minute of every day (and who help out the government to find you if needed). Or the hundreds of thousands of video cameras that we don't even notice anymore like in Las Vegas Casinos watching our every move. Or that grocery store buying cards aren't reporting that you bought Diet Coke last night. Yeah, right, you have complete privacy. Keep on believing that. - Robert Scoble

Wow! The first screenshot is from Istanbul! An 'easter-egg' for all of us living in Turkey! :-) - Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu

Sadly can't see any integration options and no iPhone for now. Hope soon. - Kris Haamer

@scoble Your point about "privacy is dead" and "puts me in charge of my privacy" are contradictory. I think you're right on the first one. But limiting whether or not my friends can see where I am is not my biggest privacy concern. My friends aren't the ones I worry about. - Tim Peter

It's reasonable to expect a certain lack of privacy when in public places but I agree with some of the others, this is a little creepy. - Mattb4rd

@Robert your privacy isn't dead, you are making conscious decisions to trade it for value. And that is the way it should work for everyone. Point is that most don't understand this or know how to deal with it. By control I'm not saying lock it up. I'm saying I want to be the one that decides, not Facebook, Google or whoever. - Alexander van Elsas

@Christophe I agree about your concern of privacy, in this delicate matter. At Mobnotes.com for location sharing we use this simple approach: we let the user broadcast his position, we don’t do automatically. So it’s up to you to send and share your location and let your friends Know where you are. That’s it. - Christian

@Robert The fact that you and I believe that it's foolish to believe there still is as much privacy as we'd like is pointless. Patriot act was the definitive blow on privacy. What is interesting is that many people believe that they do have some privacy and want to retain some. "Personal data" is the Web2.0 money. Part of the success of Facebook is how they allow you to have some "perceived" control on disclosure of information - Christophe Pierret

Well at least Google didn't buy Brightkite which means Brightkite will continue to develop. Bkite is my favorite location based service. They've had an iPhone app for a long time now. - Rutger Blom

@alexendar I'm with Scoble on this one. Facebook, Google and the like are not the big threats to privacy. Mobile phone carriers, credit card companies and local governments are. The data trail we leave unconsciously (i.e., credit card purchases, phone calls, security camera images) are far more troubling than those we leave consciously on social networks. - Tim Peter

Burak: actually the first image centers the map to your own location. Mine is in Athens. - Panagiotis Astithas

I totally get how this could be cool say, on the G1. I mean, once again a new app/feature comes out that merely hints at what's around the corner. I mean, I agree with Ray above, Nokia Chat aka Contacts on Ovi - does the same thing, but with a lesser known service... However it does have full contacts integration AND chat enabled. Jaiku was only a few years ahead of its time huh? The 'active contacts book' is finally happening... - James Whatley

Ahh not available for Turkey! - Ahmet Alp Balkan

common sense, people! be wary with who you share your information with! i just manually set mine to the entire town. good luck finding me in the 30,000 people who live here. to be honest i like the brightkite setup better, googles version is a little dodgy at the moment. - Terry O'Fee

@Tim The threat isn't related to a single service but to ignorance and the inability to control privacy ourselves. Current web business models simply prevent us being in charge of privacy ourselves. Privacy isn't dead, we just need business models that enable us to be responsible for it ourselves so that we can make the trade offs Robert is talking about - Alexander van Elsas

After all my ramblings and concerns about privacy, I will probably be using Latitude nonetheless once it gets integrated on Windows Mobile or iPhone or Android (web browsing on mobile devices is so boring) - Christophe Pierret

not available in South Korea, sigh - Reed

Each and every "where am I " social media startup (Brightkite I'm talkin' bout you!) can this morning bend over and kiss their ass goodbye. Interesting to see what type of integration will be coming. - Wayne Schulz

I always wanted to know where I am - paul mooney

The lurkers over at TweetStalk suggest they have a three-phase roadmap; wonder if linking TweetStalk to Latitude is part of that creepy plan. - Art Beecher

I thought about this more during my commute to the office. What worker privacy implications arise if I subscribe all of my field technician's cell phones, which the company owns, and checked up on them throughout the day? - Mattb4rd

@Tyson Key: yes it works with cell based location. Less accurate than GPS, but accurate enough for many use cases. - Davide D'Incau

@Reed. You can also get it from http://m.google.com/latitude on your mobile - Ray

I think google is taking privacy seriously. They also have information about that in their help pages. For example, they say "Google Latitude only reports your last updated location and does not keep a history of previously reported locations. " http://www.google.com/support... - Davide D'Incau

Still doesn't integrate with Blackberry GPS on Vz network, which was opened up a few months ago now. :-( - cmiper

I read somewhere in the marketing material that google promote it as real-time. It does not seem to be real-time at least on symbian devices. Example, when you update the status text it won't immediately update on your gtalk profile. there is actually quite a long delay. - Davide D'Incau

Cool Idea. Soon, works with the G1 (hey, why is this not the very first one?). I think I will use this from time to time. - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

I'm checking it out by downloading Google Gears, which automatically detects where I am via my computer. However, it's detecting where my nearest host's location is, and not mine. Still in the same vicinity, so it's ok. - Shevonne

I like the fact that you can update manually as well, I really don't want to pinpoint certain exact locations, but more of a wider area sometimes. - cmiper

True. It's always good to be given options. - Shevonne

@Shevonne same thing on the Blackberry, the GPS isn't available to GMaps, so it uses tower location, to show your approximate location. - cmiper

I'm using it now. Just have to wait for more people to install it. - Richard A.

Sounds like a GPS enabled Dodgeball. - KyleHase from twhirl

Some more buzz here: http://blog.wired.com/gadgets... - Christian

I'd be interested to know what google plan on doing with the data. While there are indeed many different ways in which your activities are being captured, the really sensitive ones tend to have massive restrictions on what they can do with that data. Privacy is your right to keep data about you from being public knowledge if you wish and only you can allow it to be shared. Privacy is not and never will be dead unless all of this data is in the public domain. - alphaxion

I can't believe they have not unveiled a G1 app at the same time! - Jean-Charles VERDIE

@christophe yes, privacy nightmare. I'll test it and remove it immediately. - Jean-Charles VERDIE

not really big news, actually. most of mobile twitter clients I've tested on both iPhone and G1 already propose to post a GPS info with associated map. It's twitter + localization but without twitter :) - Jean-Charles VERDIE

I wonder what all those people saying that Twitter, Facebook or personal blogging is exhibitionism will think about this! - Jordi Soler

"My friends aren't the ones I worry about. - Tim Peter" <--- Enough said. - Derrick Burns

Awwwww... No Philippines... - Ron

Wow - everyone has completely missed the enormity of this. First, the update is real time (I tested it this morning). Second, Google is showing that it's not a play for the (profitless) social media stage but more likely a bid to get users to give up their location in exchange for ....... LOCATION AWARE ADVERTISING!! Come on all you smarty pants -- nobody can figure this out but me? - Wayne Schulz

wayne its obvious to me, im not that smart even :) - atul abraham from twhirl

Doesn't support my phone so it's dead to me. - Morton Fox

Whoa, it's apparently in a new 3.0 version of Google Maps for my Blackberry. Sweet! - David Wilson

I realize I already give Google a mountain of my data, but the idea of posting my exact location to Google and the internet at large seems like a cross between really egotistical and downright creepy in a George Orwell sort of way. - Eric P

So we are now that much closer to the adsense on our coffee mugs, with ads relevant to our breakfast conversations. (yippie!!) - April Russo (app103)

With Latitude, I'm okay with getting relevant ads. Like being reminded that Denny's is giving away free breakfast after the Super Bowl while I drive by. Or a coupon from the local super market. However, I would like to see more Gtalk integration or tweeting abilities to ask What are you doing? - Tyler Brownfield

yes - i like it - much better mapping than Bright Kite but miss easy photo integration (or did I just not spot it in latitude? -surely is Google Maps layer) - Julian Edward

Privacy International identifies flaws in Google Latitude: http://bit.ly/HPmJ - Christophe Pierret

Wow lots of people seem scared that they'll be really stupid and share their location with people they don't know. Why would they do that? And for thoe worried about people seeing your house is empty for the weekend why not set your location manually to home while you are away? Or just turn off Google Maps on your phone and it won't update. Easy. - Luke

Jemm

And the Lord said unto John: "Come forth, and receive eternal life.", but John came fifth and won a toaster.

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I found myself laughing and thinking, 'I shouldn't be laughing at this,' which just made me want to laugh more. - Akiva Moskovitz

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YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. - Sparky Crocker

It's ok. We all float down here. - tinypants - Hagitha of FF

You just made my morning. - Derrick Burns

Hah - Tyson Key

Derrick Burns

Man Robs Convenience Stores With Klingon "Batleth" - http://entertainment.slashdot.org/article...

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Seriously, though. Would you mess with a guy wielding a bat'leth? - Derrick Burns

Derrick Burns

xkcd Takes on Digital Security - http://xkcd.com/538/

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A perfect summation of my thoughts following a recent (and rather meaty) FF thread on biometrics and security. - Derrick Burns from Bookmarklet

Oops. Bad community karma. Forgot to link back to the original thread: http://is.gd/iqdX - Derrick Burns

FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

This is South Carolina. Why is it 18 with 10 mph wind? Brrrr shit!

February 4 - Comment - Like - Share

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It's going to be -18°F here tonight (near Toronto). Can we trade? ;) - Chris Luckhardt

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Depends Chris. How are you with 95 degrees and 95% humidity? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

It is going to be in the 30's in SOUTH FL tonight :) Unlike you, though, I am happy about it :) - Tim Hoeck

We often get that in June and July, thanks to being surrounded by the Great Lakes. - Chris Luckhardt

Liking this for the phrase "Brrrr shit!" I'm going to put that on a shirt. - tinypants - Hagitha of FF

Sounds like you might need a jacket, Tina. - Derrick

I have one, Derrick. And the scarf and hat I got for Christmas, too. But my jacket is just a touch thin for this weather. And my actual coat is too much. Bah! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

It's already up to 22 here. Wind's a bit more brisk, though. I'd still take it over the fetid armpit fug and near-triple-digit heat we'll be getting in a few short months. God, I love South Carolina. - Derrick Burns

Make sure you wear a padded brazier, else ummm, people will see something new. - Matthew DeVries

You'll get used to it. We have here in Virginia....4 hours north of you.. - Mike Lewis

Down in Jax, FL we'll be down to 18F tonight with a windchill of 9F. My give up. - Bwana ☠

It is miserably cold here as well. - Nation Hahn

I agree Derrick: I prefer the cold because there's always more clothes to put on. In the summer, there's only so much you can take off. However, I feel disingenuous owning an all out winter coat when I need it perhaps one week out of the year. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

...and I had to crawl under the house first thing this morning--without having had any coffee!--to work on the plumbing. Guaranteed to make it feel at least 5 degrees colder... - Derrick Burns

Hao Chen

Does biometrics solve the problem of identity or authentication or both?

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Isn't verifying identity part of authentication? - Kevin L

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I was thinking identity would be the "who are you?" and authentication would be the "prove you are who you say you are." - Hao Chen

'Solving the problem' implies that biometric solutions do--or indeed, can--reliably satisfy the need for both. Unfortunately, my fingers can be forcibly removed, which means that, for now, at least, biometrics is a work in progress. - Derrick Burns

Most security is based off of two-factor authentication: something you have and something you know. It's based off of a series of questions any authentication system must ask: 1) Who are you? 2) Can you prove it? 3) Are you authorized to access what you're requesting? Something you have is answers question 1. Something you know solves question 2. Question 3 is solved by the... more... - Mark Trapp

It could be you type in your user name and use your biometric scan as a way to prove that you are the user name or it could be the method to determine who you are, and another token, say, a password is used to prove it. I'd argue biometrics as a method to answer the first question and another method to answer the second is more secure than the other way around: something you have is your biometric scan, something you know is a password. - Mark Trapp

The most stringent identification systems rely on three factors: Something you *have* like a card or device, something you *know* like a password, and something you *are*, like a biometric. Many modern ID cards correlate/conflate *are* and *have* by using a card with a photo, which can be problematic. Biometrics that rely on data stored in the card don't really improve anything. - Michael R. Bernstein

"Something you are" is marketing jargon biometric companies invented: the whole point of an authentication system is to identify who you are. Biometrics is one method for determining that identity: it does not define who one is, especially considering the ease of replay attacks on a biometric system. The problem with ID cards is that the authentication system used in them are... more... - Mark Trapp

Mark, the jargon may be new, but the security principle is not. The age-old practice of a security guard or doorman recognizing you works the same way. - Michael R. Bernstein

There is nothing special about biometrics when compared to other methods for determining something you have: your fingerprint is just like an ID card that's really hard to lose or have stolen. Using a biometric scan and a password is just as secure as using an ID card and a password: there is no special "something you are" category that biometrics solves. - Mark Trapp

"Something you are" is not marketing jargon that biometric companies invented. It's one of the three recognized types/factors of identification along with "something you know" and "something you have". Which if you want to get technical are also referred to as biometric/personal factors, human factors and technical factors respectively. - Alex Scoble

No, it's not. It's something you *have*. Biometrics don't prove or define who you are. You can fool a biometric scan just like you can create a fake ID. It requires two factors, something you *have* and something you *know*, to prove to an authentication system who you *are*. It's what you bring to the table via what's in your possession and your knowledge that acts as a means to verify your identity. Biometrics isn't in a category on its own. - Mark Trapp

Thanks Mark. - Todd Hoff

Mark, you're conflating 'something you are' with 'someone you are'. - Michael R. Bernstein

Biometrics isn't something you have. It's a separate category. So for instance if you have a system that requires you to enter in a passcode (something you know), enter in a token pin (something you have) and say a phrase (something you are), you have used all three factors of authentication. - Alex Scoble

I'd daresay you'll see a single book or reference material that lumps biometrics in with technical factors. You certainly won't get any CISSP questions relating to authentication right thinking that biometrics isn't a separate factor. - Alex Scoble

And good biometric systems don't just use one metric, like fingerprints. For instance you could have a man-trap that requires retina scan (very difficult to fake), a specific weight AND a fingerprint or hand geometry scan. Good biometric systems are very difficult to fake. - Alex Scoble

I like the approach on Atlantis where the ancients required that you have a special gene. At least I wouldn't have to remember anything. - Todd Hoff

An authentication system has to ask two questions when someone or something makes a request: 1) who are you? and 2) can you prove it? Something you have, whether it's a key card, a user name, a retinal scan, or a finger print, answers the first question. Something only you would know, a password, a PIN, or the answer to a secret question, answers the second question. That's enough to... more... - Mark Trapp

Asking for two answers to "Who are you?" verifies the answer: like asking for an ID card and a birth certificate. If they match, there's higher confidence in the answer to the first question. Neither proves who that person is. In the same respect, asking for two answers to "can you prove it?" increases the confidence in that answer, but does not identify the person. Giving a password... more... - Mark Trapp

A biometric scan is no different than an ID card: I can chop off someone's finger and use that to fool a biometric scan. It's no different than if I stole his ID card. It doesn't define something I am: it's something I have. I have a fingerprint, I have a retinal signature, I have a vocal signature, I have a user name. I know a password. I know the answer to a secret question. I know a PIN. The only difference between biometrics and regular physical identifiers is that it's hard to lose or steal. That's it. - Mark Trapp

@Alex: Too true. In fact, some systems are so comprehensive that a would-be exploiter would be better served simply to manipulate/extort/kidnap/etc a legitimate user for access. The 'removable finger' comment I made earlier was simply my shorthand (no pun intended) way of suggesting the general notion of biometric exploitation. - Derrick Burns

Mark, a good biometric system cannot be fooled by chopping off someone's limbs. It's very difficult to fool a retina scan, for instance and there are some new hand scan technologies that are nearly impossible to fool AND they require a live hand. Biometrics is a separate factor. Period. If you go to a system that requires a password, retinal scan, and a keycard, you are being authorized by a THREE FACTOR AUTHENTICATION scheme. Not TWO, THREE. - Alex Scoble

Biometrics have unfortunate failure modes and are bad for privacy. I avoid them like the plague... http://friendfeed.com/e... - LogEx

A biometric system can still be hacked. End of the day it's all just checked against a bunch of stored 1's and 0's. - Eric P

Derrick Burns - biometric vendors are working on the problem of liveness detection, either via software solutions or hardware solutions. As those mature, forcible removal of fingers will become less of a problem. - John E. Bredehoft

Regarding biometric spoofing - no, biometrics are not 100% accurate. But neither is three factor authentication. It is not impossible for a thief to steal my token, know the name of my pet cat, and tape my fingerprints onto his/her fingers. Whatever authentication factors you use, you need to calculate false acceptance/false rejection rates and see if they are tolerable for your application. - John E. Bredehoft

I love how everyone uses the weakest forms of each factor in this argument. - Alex Scoble

Which raises an important point - different applications have different FAR/FRR rates. Compare a government nuclear facility with a government benefits program; they have different needs. False acceptance at a nuclear facility could have disastrous consequences. False rejection at a benefits program could also have disastrous consequences. And if my kid has to undergo three factor authentication to get a school lunch, the kid's gonna bring a sack lunch instead. - John E. Bredehoft

Well said, John. Security is always about providing the best safeguards possible while still meeting the business needs of the organization. - Alex Scoble

Bwana ☠

What Is Your Favorite Video Game Of All Time? - http://www.bwana.org/2008...

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Pong. ;-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

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centipede - Yolanda

Bionic Commando (NES) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) - Daniel J. Pritchett

If we're including PC games, then World of Warcraft. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Doom Series, that was a blast!! - Paul

Super Mario Sunshine - Trish Haley

Great post Bwana. I love the tally chart. I've played all of the games on that list except FFVI. I've played FFIII, FFV,FFVII but skipped FFVI for some reason. - Alan Le

Psychonauts - Phil G

Mario Cart is awesome! My sister and I play it all the time, but I wouldn't call it my all time fav. - David Cook

Galaga - Morgan Haley

It would have to be Doom 2. That one was a classic. - Patrick Lightbody

unreal tourney was fun too - Morgan Haley

doom or God of War - Amber, Random Time Lord

Madden and Pro Evolution Soccer -- back in the day it would have been Unreal Tournament - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Tetris. - Rochelle

Bug Blaster on the Acorn Electron (a Centipede clone on the very old BBC computer). - Kol Tregaskes

Okay well here goes: Civilization Revolution (XBox 360), Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (XBox 360), Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic (XBox 360), God of War I & II (PS2), GTA: San Andreas (PS2), The Sims 2 (Mac/PC), Guitar Hero I, II, & III - studpoet

Lara Croft , specially " angel of darkness" - Viva Vida

My list in chronological order: Fort Apocalypse - Commodore 64 - 1982 Mission Impossible - Commodore Vic-20 - 1982 Castle Wolfenstein - Commodore 64 - 1983 Jumpman - Commodore 64 - 1983 Archon - Commodore 64 - 1984 Police Quest - PC - 1987 Pirates! - PC - 1987 SimCity - Any Platform - 1989 Wayne Gretzky Hockey 2 - PC - 1990 Railroad Tycoon - PC - 1990 Wing Commander - PC - 1990... more... - Dan Overes

Goldeneye: 007 for the N64. No contest. - Derrick Burns

Strategic Conquest or Net Trek - RAPatton

My list in no particular order: Okami (Playstation 2) -- Chrono Cross (Playstation 1) -- Dead or Alive 4 (Xbox 360) -- Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball (Xbox) -- Shenmue (Dreamcast) -- NBA Street vol 2 (Xbox) --- Capcom vs SNK 2 (Xbox) -- Marvel vs Capcom (Xbox) -- Eternal Champions (Genesis) -- Cool Spot (Genesis) - Lindsey is Fierce!

<- Flabbergasted at the inclusion of DoAXBV :D - Daniel J. Pritchett

Ultima VII Parts 1 & 2. - Akiva Moskovitz

It's so hard to pick just one. Maybe Missile Command? - Andrew Smith

I have to say "Attic Attac" for the Spectrum 48k machine :) - "Jazzperous" Isaksson

Didn't we just do this? The arcade stand-up version of Donkey Kong. Or Super Mario Bros. and it's variants in 8-bit bliss. - Derrick

World of Warcrack or Civilization games - Aaron

Derrick, we did. - Akiva Moskovitz

Derrick, this is the blog post where I compiled the results - Bwana ☠

Hard to say. I really like Oblivion - I've certainly spent more hours playing it than any other game. I have a strong connection with SMB3 though as I spent most of a summer playing it at my grandma's house back in the day. - Sparky Crocker

Asteroids which is available on Nintendo DS:) Galaga is a close second. - Roney Smith

Ninja Gaiden (Xbox). - Ms. G.Warbucks IYN

Goldeneye and Halo :) - Joe Dawson

Tetris and Bejeweled - deden m. ihsan

Shogo. System Shock 2, Turok, Goldeneye, Super Mario Bros. & Space Invaders. - Anika

ZELDA - what else ;-) - masa media - Martin from twhirl

Resident Evil II or Tales of Destiny - Shevonne

The Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

Net Trek or Strategic Conquest - RAPatton

RC pro am - Mauricio

Outrun. - Duncan Riley

Galaga! - Jeff P. Henderson

Mario Kart, Any version of it is fine for me... Love that game. Go Toad! - Patrick from twhirl

AJ Batac

Math is easy; design is hard.

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Math is easy; design is...best done by someone other than me. - Derrick Burns

What Derrick said. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Gabe

What makes something a computer?

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I had a hard time convincing a 4th grader that her Nintendo DS was actually a computer. - Gabe

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Did you then try to convince her her toaster is a computer? - Clare Dibble

A computer is something that computes, but that's too general to be useful. Simple answer is if it has a CPU it's a computer. - Alex Scoble

I'd say that if it had a CPU, ran some kind of firmware/software, had some amount of RAM or/and ROM and had some sort of connectivity to it's environment (i.e. a connection to other sensors/components either internally or externally, to manipulate/obtain data for processing), it was a computer. - Tyson Key

An abacus is a computer. A sliderule is a computer... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

This discounts things like an Abacus Edit: Need to learn to type faster - Bastard Operator From FF

Of course, it doesn't cover every eventuality, but it does encompass the Nintendo DS (since it has minimal firmware in ROM, executes software code from Flash memory, has an IEEE 802.11 radio, a microphone for audio input, a speaker for audio output, a joypad, and an LCD display with a digitiser overlay for providing operational feedback). - Tyson Key

Oh, and it has at least 1 ARM architecture CPU. - Tyson Key

No, Mark...an abacus and sliderule are not computers. If it takes human work to actually get the data out, it's not a computer in the specific sense. - Alex Scoble

Bollocks, Alex. Would you argue, then, that Babbage's analytical engine was not a computer? By every definition I've ever internalized, it would have been digital, programable, and demonstrably Turing complete: in other words, a computer in almost every sense in which an Intel CPU is a computer. The abstraction of human intervention--the lack of work to retrieve data--is simply that: an abstraction. Edit: Yes, I know the analytical engine was never completed. I still think it's a valid example. - Derrick Burns

At a push, I'd say that a mobile phone, a crappy el-cheapo calculator, a games console, a DVD player, a car fuel injection system and the general purpose machines most of us are using to access FriendFeed with are "computers". I wouldn't call a slide-rule or an abacus a "computer". - Tyson Key

Did you try explaining Turing machines? The lambda calculus? Probably not. Kids identify objects by their physical parts. You have to open that thing up and show what's inside first. Then you can talk about different input devices and computation in the abstract. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

As a programmer I'll promise you it takes human work to get info out to get the data out - David Knight

So... here's a question.. The Enigma Machine... Computer Yes or No? - Bastard Operator From FF

Good point, Bruce. I was just considering linking to an old XKCD comic about Turing-machine computation when I remembered that the point was to define a computer for a child. - Derrick Burns

@Derrick - I agree with you on the Analytical Engine being a computer. For what it's worth, what about the Z1? From what I remember, it only had 1 electronic component, and a load of mechanical parts fashioned from sheet metal, yet it was "programmable" to an extent. Not sure if it was Turing complete, or could be considered to be digital, though. - Tyson Key

@Tyson - Precisely. The Z1, like Babbage's original Difference Engine, is a prime example of a mechanical computer. (Probably neither was Turing complete, even in the limited provisional sense in which physical, finite-memoried machines can be, but I could be wrong) But as I said above, I'm more than willing to concede that the contextual framework in which such machines are defined--that is, the set of machines whose function is to allow the execution of computation--may be a relic of a bygone era. - Derrick Burns

frakking toasters! - Robert Felty

I've often wondered what the difference is between something electric and electronic. Anyone? - Robert Felty

Something electric uses electricity to run, such as an old style toaster, an electric motor or a soldering iron...something electronic uses circuitry to run. Electronic devices are a subset of electric devices. - Alex Scoble

And when I talk about human work, I mean that an abacus doesn't do anything by itself. You have to do the work to get from 4 + 5 to 9. Same with a slide rule. A mechanical computer, like what they used to use to control train tracks is indeed a computer, but not in the 4th grade simplified sense, if you get what I mean. - Alex Scoble

Don't you have to enter something in to your laptop to get it to do something? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

the turing test? - anna sauce

@Alex - thanks for the clarification. So a digital clock is electronic. But is it a computer? What about my weather station, which syncs up to the atomic clock via radio, and has a thermometer, plus also wireless for a remote thermostat. Is that a computer? - Robert Felty

anything in order to perform algorithmic processing is computational. - alphaxion

Mark, don't be a sarcasmopill. Don't confuse the work of input with the work of computation. - Alex Scoble

LOL I keep trying to play your Devil's Advocate here but... the position may be indefensible... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Yeah, I'm trying to keep it fairly simple and cut and dried for a 4th grader...But in today's world of miniaturized electronics, things are not cut and dry. A lot of things that were once not computers, like watches, phones, TVs, washing machines, toasters, microwave ovens, thermostats, refridgerators, etc. now all come with computing power. - Alex Scoble

As to the original question about whether a DS is a computer, though, it most certainly is. It can connect to the internet via wifi and even has a browser available for it. - Alex Scoble

what about organic computers? Is the nerve cell not a CPU? do we have to define computer within the sense of a PCB and silicon? Or rather, the integrated circuit. - alphaxion

You are asking 6th grade questions, alpha, this is a 4th grade level thread. :) - Alex Scoble

It has a processor in it. - Mathew™ one of a kind

@alex then I point back to my original comment "anything in order to perform algorithmic processing is computational.".. or rather "if it can do sums, it is a computer" - alphaxion

So my microwave oven has a CPU, can be "programmed" (multiple successive cooking levels and times), has a keypad for input, has a [small] display for output, and even has audio output (beeping). But I certainly wouldn't call it a computer! My WiFi router, on the other hand, has no visible input or output device (except some blinking lights), yet it could easily be considered programmable because I can update its firmware with better software. Is my router a computer, then? - Gabe

I think you might need to quantify what people mean by computer. Computer in the mathematical sense or in the physical sense that it can execute code and respond to our input - alphaxion

alphaxion: Let's say some government ninny decided to tax all computers. Obviously he's trying to target standard laptops and desktops (the things we call "computers"), and not toasters and microwaves. We now have to figure out what things that fall in-between should be taxed as computers. - Gabe

@gabe and there in is the connundrum. Unless you draw the line at "can run code that can enhance its value". Kinda like how VAT works. Imagine if you embedded a touch screen into a fridge that not only functioned as a stock take inventory but allowed simple note board and widget functionality. You'd have to look at how we used the device to determine whether it was a computer or not. Can it be used for multitudes of distinct jobs or does it perform a single task? - alphaxion

alphaxion: So my Pong machine isn't a computer, but is my Atari 2600? - Gabe

Derrick Burns

TechOnline | Experimental Results with two Wireless Power Transfer Systems - http://www.techonline.com/learnin...

January 30 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

This short paper describes two clever--and relatively simple--approaches to harvesting ambient energy to power electronic devices. Not necessarily light bedtime reading for the rank novice, but any gadgeteer with a strong penchant for tinkering ought to be able to get the high points. If nothing else, it's a sobering reminder of all the raw energy that surrounds us at all times. - Derrick Burns from Bookmarklet

Louis Gray

Happy Birthday to Mona Nomura - A Fascinating, Unique, Lady Geek @Mona

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Mona Nomura - Awesome FriendFeeder: http://www.friendfeed.com/monasfe... - Louis Gray

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I was first introduced to Mona's feed through Chris Pirillo, who said he found her entries most fascinating. I checked out what she was posting, and it was like nobody else on FriendFeed. FriendFeed, which had largely been the refuge for geeks who liked to talk about tech, all things Google, Apple and social media, all of a sudden had a new voice. - Louis Gray

So I subscribed to this interesting person. New pictures, comics, food items, and silliness ensued. I watched, but didn't really like it. So I unsubscribed. (True!) - Louis Gray

But Mona noticed, and hit me up on Facebook - what's the deal?, she asked. I said we were focused on different things, and tried to talk my way out of it. Didn't work. Days later, I resubscribed. - Louis Gray

And as Mona's feed got more activity, I could sense there was a sharp, tech-oriented geek hiding underneath the bacon and the giggles. Her first blog post, which wasn't even fed into FriendFeed, made Techmeme. - Louis Gray

But, as she says, Pixel Bits is "a hot mess", so I asked her to take her tech talk to my site, and she's been a perfect fit ever since. Mona has become more than just another popular FriendFeeder. She's a real friend. I probably average a few e-mails with her every single day. And not just always about tech. - Louis Gray

Mona is fun because she is real. She is silly, but she is sharp. She is lonely, but she is friendly. She is easily excited, but can also get annoyed. And she has a radar for fun items that have become her trademark. Bacon. Star Wars. Lego. Mobile phone news. - Louis Gray

I could probably highlight a FriendFeeder a day this way, as many of you add real value to my online life, but Mona stands out and on this, her birthday, we thought we'd tell you why. I hope we continue to keep her feeling valued, and that she wants to be part of this community for a long time. - Louis Gray

Happy Birthday, Mona! - Louis Gray

It's finally here on east coast time! Happy Birthday Mona! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Happy birthday Mona - Brian Roy

Mona, I love you!!!!! Happy Birthday my bacon-lovin' gal! <3 - Daynah

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happy birthday Mona. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I heart Mona with all 4 chambers and the aorta. Happy Birthday, Mona!!!! - Kamath (नमः)

That was the best bday story I've seen. Happy birthday Mona (even though it's not quite your bday here yet) - Tamara

Louis - you are my rock, my mentor - and the big brother I never had. Thank you for seeing through all the 'fluff' and I... don't even have the words. Reading through what you wrote made me LOL. I remember when my feelings were SO hurt you unsubscribed haha! Now that I think about it, you're the reason I turned off FF notifications. ;) But thank you so much for the love. And to the FF community I HEART YOU GUYS!!! - Mona Nomura

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MONA!!!!! we love you too :) you make my day - everyday!! :) thanks!! - Susan Beebe

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MONA!!! <3 - Anna Haro

happy birthday Mona! - Duncan Riley

誕生日おめでとう Mona-san. :D - Randy

Happy Birthday Mona! - Jesse Stay

Louis created this graphic and I have to tell you I LOVE seeing it pop up on Friendfeed! totally makes me smile! Louis I am totally digging this "carpet of bacon" concept!! LOL :) nice!! - Susan Beebe

Happy Birthday Mona! - jcunwired

MONA!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! A whole lot of awesomeness wished your way! <333 - Parth Awasthi

Happy Bday!! - Sarah Perez

Happy B'Day Mona - sirishkumar

all the best bacon - ★ Esther Rudolph

Happy birthday again :) - Niki Costantini

Happy birthday mona :) - ژنرال فرهاد

Happppppppppppppppppppppppppy birthday mona :) تولدت مبارک مونا جان / با دو زبان هم گفتم - MAS

Happy Happy Joy Joy Wifey!!! :-D - Live4Emma (L4S)

Happy Birthday Mona! - Igor Poltavskiy

Happy birthday!!! - Tyler Gillies

Happy Birthday! - Anne Bouey

Happy birthday, Mona! - Scott of Two Countries

Happy birthday to you Mona, from Belgium. Thanks for your delicious posts ! - Guy Vander Heyden

Happy Birthday Mona! - Rob Diana

Happy Birthday to Mona!!!!!! :D - Sasha Kovaliov(.com)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XOXOXOXOXOXO!!! - Michael Forian

Happy Birthday Mona :D - ♥ Stephiepooos ♥

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BEAUTIFUL MONA - Mr Jojo

Happy Birthday Mona! - Jen

Happy Birthday!! - Robert Couture from twhirl

Happy Birthday Mona!!! <3 - Emma

Happy Birthday - Peter Efland

happy birthday! - Nathan Rein from twhirl

Happy Birthday you amazing powerhouse of womanhood, you! - Cheryl Allin from twhirl

Happy birthday!! - Bob Gannon

Happy Birthday :) - Yuvi

Happy B'day Mona! :) - vijay

Many happy returns, Mona! Have an awesome day :-) - Sally Church

Happy Birthday, Mona! - Mike Fruchter

Happy birthday, Mona. And here's to many more! - Derrick Burns

awesome ! Happy Birthday - Mattb4rd

Happy birthday! - Christian (Simply X)

Happy Birthday Mona!! MUAH!!! - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Happy Birthday Mona! - Iain Baker

I said it b4 Ill say it again - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! - Martha

Happy Birthday! - Jason Shultz from twhirl

Happy birthday Mona! - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Happy Birthday! - Tyson Key

Look at those cheeks! Now that's pure cheer! Happy Birthday, Mona! - Christopher Harley

Happy Birthday! :) - teleken

Happpy Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Thomas Hawk

Happpy BDay to the Fabulous Mona ! !!!!!!!!!! - johnpiercy

Happy b-day Mona ^^ - Kristian Salonen

Happy Birthday, Mona! - Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau

It's fairly clear that Mona is a superstar (that is what you are). Happy Birthday :) - Bob M. Montgomery from twhirl

Happy b-day! Let the b-day meme begin :p - Jim Goldstein

Happy Birthday, Judge I'm late to the party. Mona your one of the reasons I pretty much still am on here. - Shawn aka ringking

happy birthday! - andy brudtkuhl

Happy birthday!?!?!!??!!?!?!? - "Joey"

Mona: have an extra terrific day for your birthday :-)! - asiriusgeek

Lolomgwtfnsfw! Happy! Birth! Day! Mo! Na! - Pete Delucchi

Happy Birthday! - Jauder Ho

Happy Fantabulous Birthday, Mona! - Reuben Thum

Happy b-day Ms. Mona! - Hutch Carpenter

Happy birthday! - Eric P

Happy Birthday Mona! - Nate Pilling from twhirl

heck yeah. Happy Birthday Mo! - Tsega Dinka

Happy Birthday. Hope the day's been great, despite cauliflower smells and such ... - Patrick Jordan

Happy birthday monaaa!!!! - Alemsah Ozturk

Happy birthday Mona! You rock! - Andrew

What everyone else said. Mona. - Russellreno

Happy B-Day. You are so nice to people you've never met. We feel the love. - Eric @ CS Techcast

Happy birthday Mona!!!! :) - Tanju Yildiz

Happy Birthday Mona! - Justin Korn

Happy Birthday Mona! - TheHenry

You're old. - Colby Olson

Many happy returns of the day Mona! - Morgan Haley

Yay! Happy Birthday Mona! - TheMacMommy

Derrick Burns

Potentially Scalable Ion Teleportation Scheme Could Be the Future of Quantum Computers - http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/jan09...

January 29 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

A unique approach to quantum information encoding and transmission combines the stability and entanglement longevity of ions with the speed of photons, potentially paving the way for quantum cryptography and for truly scalable quantum computing. - Derrick Burns from Bookmarklet

Bob M. Montgomery

Just for Mona: Take Bacon. Add Sausage. Blog. - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...

January 28 from twhirl - Comment - Like - Share

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Thanks Bob :) - Mona Nomura

Sooo...hungry. Must...not...make...bacon-sausage. - Derrick Burns

Paul Buchheit

Why a hydrogen economy doesn't make sense - http://www.physorg.com/news850...

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"The large amount of energy required to isolate hydrogen from natural compounds (water, natural gas, biomass), package the light gas by compression or liquefaction, transfer the energy carrier to the user, plus the energy lost when it is converted to useful electricity with fuel cells, leaves around 25% for practical use — an unacceptable value to run an economy in a sustainable future. ... This fact, he shows, cannot be changed with improvements in technology. Rather, the one-quarter efficiency is based on necessary processes of a hydrogen economy and the properties of hydrogen itself, e.g. its low density and extremely low boiling point, which increase the energy cost of compression or liquefaction and the investment costs of storage." - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet

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The efficiency of nature (i.e., photosynthesis) is something like 0.5% (the best number I saw was 6%) so I'm not sure we should really use it as the gold standard. Still, coal burning has a thermodynamic efficiency of only 30%, so I'm not convinced that hydrogen is necessarily a dead-end. And nuclear fusion is likely the holy grail of energy production, so the more practice we get with isolating, storing, and transporting hydrogen, the readier we'll be for the future. - Victor Ganata

I don't necessarily share opinions on H2 future in energy (in particular I tend to stay with opinion that H2 is bounded to nuclear lobby) but I _do_ like that questions of sustainable energy are raised, discussed and, most importantly, gradually implemented into real life. Fossil fuels must die. - A.T.

Well, like I said, there's nuclear fusion. That's pretty damn efficient. Unfortunately, the closest natural example is about 93 million miles away. - Victor Ganata

Of course. The universe is governed by the laws of thermodynamics, after all. But thermodynamic efficiency is a measurable quantity. I'm not convinced 25% is all that bad. Solar is only about 10% efficient, and that's still a viable source of energy. - Victor Ganata

@aswang: solar is 10% effective when converting solar (unusable) to electricity (usable). 25% hydrogen efficiency is for converting electricity (already usable) back to electricity via hydrogen. Hence, they only say that paying 75% of energy for its transportation is a bit too high - Большие ириски

But but, http://www.youtube.com/watch... - ◄ani625Ξ

Usability is still relative. You can use solar to (partially) power your house, but you can't use it run a car. Hydrogen could theoretically do both. I probably have to find more solid sources for the %. I don't know if they factored it into the 10% but the manufacture and transport of solar panels still consumes already-usable energy. I do think that in of itself hydrogen isn't the end-all-be-all, but the techs hydrogen depends on certainly look like necessary steps to getting to fusion. - Victor Ganata

All this really means is that a hydrogen economy based on electrolysis doesn't make sense. What about one based on nuclear power plants that emit protons as a by-product of reaction? - Gabe

@gabe: well, they can indeed build a paraffin distillery to get hydrogen from the protons stuck in the shields. I'm afraid that it's not feasible due to high neutron ratio in the mixture. Possibly harder to differentiate between them than between U235 and U238 - Большие ириски

this article nails it. - MikeAmundsen

Direct sunlight-to-H2 conversion would make sense. But H2 is notoriously inconvenient to store. Probably CH4 or alcohol will be better choices for energy storage, for fuel cells or not. - 9000

ITER should be the answer - Большие ириски

really? I am not too concerned about the technological challenges faced by NiF, HiPER, ITER, et al., but I am about the economic ones (e.g. the ones rebutted in http://fire.pppl.gov/iter_na...) Anyone have pointers to a clear cost-per-kWHe breakdown...? - Karim

scarily, the one I have been hitting refresh on is Randell Mills' Blacklight Power (http://www.blacklightpower.com/) I know to some people, that is like admitting you are going to wait for The Great Pumpkin, but... uh... those guys just signed a commercial deal with a commercial power utility. Last week. - Karim

This article isn't thinking very 4th dimensionally. Why transport it at all? Honda is using solar cells and what not to synthesize hydrogen right at fill stations for the FCX car. That's the way to do it. - Alex Scoble

+1 to Alex. Localized production sounds like a great idea. Though I do wonder about the economy and scalability of on-premises hydrogen synthesis, since it would be necessary to fit out *every* filling station. Might it be that, in the long run, centralized processing and distribution actually sees greater efficiency and/or lower unit cost? Is their an economist in the house? - Derrick Burns

Solar, solar, solar, solar, solar, solar, solar. Why in the world would we obsessively focus on anything else? The PHOTONS ARE FREE for crying out loud. It's our local star glaring out at us, "please plug in extension cord here!" And we get to use a wireless extension cord, at that! What's not to obsess about? We can bicker about storage and transport after that. Step one: Get The Whole Damned Grid plugged into the sun. - michael silverton

See, this is much simpler once you divorce yourself from the idea of your car as primary transportation. Electric buses, electric trains, bicycles, walking, and short-range-EV's are all possible right now and only the short range EV requires any sort of power storage. If we made such a move sooner rather than later, we might have plenty of time to figure out what to for airplanes and the remaining uses of the car. - Wirehead

Wirehead: buses, trains, bikes, and walking are all great in dense urban areas, but vast numbers of us don't live in dense urban areas. And even in urban areas you need some way to get your kid from school to hockey practice. - Gabe

SON: So remind me why the polar ice caps melted again? DAD: We had to get you to hockey practice. ;-) - Karim

@gabe what's wrong with kid practicing his hockey in school? - A.T.

My understanding was that the difficulty of extracting hydrogen, which is by no means ease compared to say a standard oil drill and conversion process, was around the same as deep sea drilling for oil...and the tech is really only in its infancy. Never say never on improvements, many of the things we take for granted today were thought impossible only 25 years ago. I'd back Hydrogen, simply because there's so much of it, and it has practical uses - Duncan Riley

Hmm. On-site solar-powered electrolysis. Sounds like a plan. And if you really want to store it for easy transport, there's always lithium hydride. - Victor Ganata

silpol: Here in the US, hockey rinks are not usually conveniently located in schools. If my kid wants to play hockey, I'll either have to drive her 2 miles from her school to our local rink, or drive her 8 miles to the nearest school with its own rink. - Gabe

Part of our challenge is trying to plug another energy source into an existing paradigm. There is no reason why most people should be commuting to a J.O.B. five days a week. We could instantly cut energy costs 20% by switching to a four day work week. We could do much better if most people either worked from home or we worked where we lived instead of living in bedroom communities and commuting ridiculous distances in traffic to places of employment. - Internet Strategist

Internet Strategist: I would hardly say that "most" jobs can be done without commuting. What about a teacher, a waitress, a garbage man, a mechanic, a custodian, a construction worker, a surgeon, or a car salesman? At best you could say "most office jobs". - Gabe

Gabe: heh, I'm not entirely sure you could take call as a surgeon if you didn't live near the hospital you worked at, although I guess there is remote/robotic surgery. - Victor Ganata

The issue is how FAR people are commuting, not the commuting itself. If we returned to communities most of those jobs would be very close to home - not some ridiculous distance away. - Internet Strategist

Derrick Burns

Twittering toaster - Hack a Day - http://hackaday.com/2008...

December 16 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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An enterprising user has given his toaster the gift of Twitter. Now friends around the world can know at an instant's notice...well, whether he's having toast, I presume. Now if only I can get my coffee maker on FriendFeed... - Derrick Burns from Bookmarklet

Steve Rubel

Am I missing something or is Google Friend Connect basically a clone of MyBlogLog?

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