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What would Twitter be like with integrated comments? Facebook Lite offers a clue. --> http://images.scripting.com/archive...
Iván Abrego, zʍıɔ, earl wallace and 3 other people liked this
before facebook lite there was pownce, plurk and oh wait friendfeed that already does this.
- Logan Lindquist
"Everything worth doing starts out complicated then you hack at it to simplify it as much as possible." http://c.oy.ly/kb8v
Jeremy Felt, Capn' One Eye - adrift, Ivo Mortani and 3 other people liked this
How to fix URL-shorteners, part II - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Benjamin Taylor, Nicholas James, Mark and 2 other people liked this
Facebook acquires FriendFeed. Interview with Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed. - http://btre.blogtalkradio.com/74_2996...
Susan Beebe, TheHenry, Mark Gunnels and 125 other people liked this
No info about the financial aspects of the deal for now.
- TiTi
Ithink that tey have to do it now, or never
- abdellah
"committed to supporting the needs of FF user community"
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Nice :) Thanks Robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
^^until FB shutters FF
- jcunwired
nice scoop!
- Marc Ostrick
@Brian How many times have we heard that line before? :(
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
I hope they made a bunch of money, because they SOLD US ALL :(
- Zio Bonino
Robert, was this really posted 5 hours ago?
- Daniel Chow
Robert: Say "cool" less!
- Stephen Foskett
I was thinking the same thing. Count how many times you said "Cool" Robert ;)
- Andru Edwards
This acquisition is most likely going to suck for users, but congrats to the FF team. Once Google announced Wave, selling to Facebook was probably the only remaining exit strategy worth the money.
- Chip Ramsey
last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook
- Jacopo Gio
I don't know if i'm excited by the possiblities of this move, or frightened by what this could mean.
- John Czwartacki
I hope they don't spoil it for us. I just want to keep coming to Friendfeed.com
- Mark
If they had no plans of shutting down FriendFeed and rolling features into Facebook they would have said so right away to avoid speculation and to reassure FF users. I am trying not to be suspicious, but I am.
- Inside Alaska
I'm in the same camp Alaska
- Keith - @tsudo
Andru: it was about 100 degrees outside where I was doing the interview. I was trying to think cool and keep my cool. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe now we'll be able to integrate Facebook feed with FF & twitter
- Justin Long
Faceborg...Googlebook...time to move back to StumbleUpon? Guess we should have seen this coming when FriendFeed got integrated into FeedBurner.
- Internet Strategist
This interview is pretty funny... the person interviewing sounds like he just wants to ask questions for the sake of asking questions...;-) ... thanks for the insightful interview but..
- Sherif Mansour
In the interview, it was said that FriendFeed was not in immediate danger and could have continued for a number of years on their own. I'm not quite sure if that is true, because FriendFeed didn't develop their own business model.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
About integrating the social graphs, my social networks on FF and FB had different purposes. I don't have any friends on FB whom I haven't personally met, whereas I subscribe to some people I don't know on FF just because their feeds are interesting. On a related note, the FB graph is undirected and the FF graph is directed.
- Ruchira S. Datta
@Scobleizer interviews Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed RE acquisition by Facebook.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
Rough transcript: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
Paul and Brett jumped at the chance to increase their user base a thousand-fold. Whatever comes out of this is going to be huge.
- Raphael, Raphael
You are right vzx
- Nicolas Gosset
from IM
"tremendous opportunity" is so vague. Opportunity for who? What opportunity exactly? Or is it just the opportunity to allow the friendfeed employees who weren't already rich to get rich?
- Laura Norvig
Laura: it's every engineer's dream to change the world of 300 million people instead of a few hundred thousand people. That's why this is a tremendous opportunity.
- Robert Scoble
Sigh. I guess. It's just very hard to think of Facebook as a life-changing venue.
- Laura Norvig
Robert: Thanks for this - some information at last!
- Jim Connolly
Did FriendFeed sell after seeing Facebook Lite? That's VERY interesting and answers a few of the troubles I am having with Facebook.
Linda Lorie, Iván Abrego, Daniel Rowley and 40 other people liked this
Paul said he did not know FB lite before
- K.D.
your guess is as good as mine
- Lipanantsi
good conjecture... guess we'll find out soon.
- Nathan Chase
It's also why I'm taking a wait and see approach and not listening to any of the "jump" posts
- Jesse Stay
NO I am sure they are selling because wave is coming, why should they sell to FB if FB is currently working on mini FF clone akka FB lite?
- abdellah
I wouldn't be surprised if an 'open-garden' version of Facebook arises from the foundation of FB Lite, and that version will be very similar to Friendfeed.
- Mo Kargas
If true, would make a lot of sense. But as abdellah says Wave makes great sense too. btw: 6:00am ? early bird?
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Alex: it's 8:07 a.m. here in San Antonio, Texas.
- Robert Scoble
well, if the friendfeed team takes over facebook lite it would be some good news.
- Mark Essel
I don't know where I stand on this, because while I don't use FF alot, I appreciate it. But I loathe FB as it slides into MySpace-ity.
- Trine Curtis
I agree with Trine there... I stopped using FB a while ago.. It was nothing more than a waste of time. At least with Twitter/FF it's useful interactions, most of the time. FB Lite looks interesting, but Facebook already lost me.
- Jared Quinn
just to add to what I said before, I think (mean speculating) the the new Google product that the executive Google told @robert S, may be a new Greader more social oriented, so let suppose that Greader change UI for a better (sharing+like) facility, what would happen?
- abdellah
My bet is on the obvious reason. They sold after seeing the pile of money
- Mirco
Facebook lite.... hmmm Isn't a hype? I read about 10 blog posts about this "project" this morning (I'm an early bird!) and I'm not convinced at all. Facebook is not a search engine, facebook is not a FriendFeed look alike even in a light version and groups in facebok are borings to say the less. The problem here is every web 2.0 sites or 2 dot 0 wannabe are trying to be 'expert' in...
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- Claude LaFrenière
Claude: Facebook is now a search engine. I disagree with you there. Mirco: sorry, $50 million isn't that much, I know Paul was hoping for a lot more when he started the company. In fact, Paul told me several times he wasn't interested in selling and wanted to go all the way and build an engineering-friendly environment.
- Robert Scoble
Mo: technology slowdown? Robert: its 11:16PM in Sydney
- Tyson
@abdellah Doesn't Google Reader already have a fairly decent like, comment, and sharing facility? It seems fairly complete to me aside from the fact that it does seem to gather social media reactions and display them inline. But neither does Friendfeed.
- Jim Reverend
from email
So you are saying he sold FF for whatever he could get before getting wiped out by a competing product? Hmm. Kinda makes me wish we could have seen the competing product slug it out instead.
- Trine Curtis
@jim, it is all about the perception that the UI may induce, for the moment Greader is just like any FeedReader, with some social feature enhancement, let think about a new design that bring all the social feature in the top of the scene reither then trying to hide them. a better UI should be a Thread based one) like in FF, at Greader it is a feed oriented one.just question (how long is the shared like conversation you have in Greader), at the best I will say a feed commented by ome people that all.
- abdellah
@abdellah I see what you're saying. And you're right, Google Reader could do well with a new UI that really highlights the sharing and social aspects that an online Feed Aggregator is really made for.
- Jim Reverend
Esp. for emerging markets, where many have no laptops but everyone has a mobile, FB Lite is brilliant move. It also moves Twitter closer to the dumb pipe many of us have been using it as w/FF (soon FB?!) being our primary aggregation of our stream. Twitter becomes a pure channel that lot of people use but noone ever goes to. But re Google, picture this - they (finally, now) pick up...
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- Thom Kennon
Facebook will destroy friendfeed, most likely, :(
- imran
Facebook Lite may be just a version of Facebook for bandwidth saving: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... It's quite possible: not only users with slow internet connections got poor Facebook-browsing experience, but also Facebook itself spends lots of money on abroad traffic and would gladly shrink these expenses.
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
FBlite does seem to lend credence that part of the reason FB bought FF was to avoid legal liability, as it brings more outright FF functionality online.
- Christopher Galtenberg
What triggered FF sale would be kindoff a mystery for The time beign, given the needs of capital for a steady growing perhaps FF FOUNDERS decide to play it safe, get less but get it now and keep developing under a better capital capture company; as for FB LITE we'll need to see what its focus would be aimed so that in future retrospective confirm or denie that it was the reason of the sale.
- Marco ILLESCAS
from iPhone
can someone answer me about iGoogle as social hub and answer 2 FB lite perhaps
- polou/indigo_bow
Hard to know if the FriendFeed team knew about FB Lite and if it precipitated their decision. Guess they saw they were lagging in terms of network effect and that it was hard to forecast if they would ever gain more momentum that they already had amongst some early adopters. It might have been the best time for them to tie their future up with a bigger player.
- Paul Papadimitriou
@robert and all, have any one checked the improvement of GREADER (damn it is worth caps) , in Greader the answer to the question why FF sell to FB.
- abdellah
"we, the users, need to own a technology company -- and have it work to serve our interests..." http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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yes!:)
- K.D.
A crowdsourced company. Don't we call that the government? ;)
- Sean Powell
Dave... we have been considering this idea for a number of years, but I think that pulling it together requires more than a geek-army or an open-source collaborative ethos. 'Open' is a mind-set, not a movement... and great egalitarian strategies are possibly best not to be collectively authored, or you can find yourself in the middle of a mega-committee. Its a conundrum... But we are happy to share insights.
- Simon Edhouse
Dave/Simon: someone will do it. Why not get started now?
- Jason Cronkhite
Totally agree... the core idea that Dave is putting forward has been my 24/7 passion since 2006... and maybe Twitter & Friendfeed (RIP) are going to prove to be catalytic forces for this idea. Certainly Dave is a lot more accessible nowdays... ;)
- Simon Edhouse
Simon, maybe with Dave's help we can form a community trust and put the thing together. :-)
- Jason Cronkhite
Simon it would not be like that. I'll write a follow-up post.
- Dave Winer
I would like to understand the financial vehicles to do this. Simon, I also agree that there has to be a structure that allows for users interests to be aligned with business growth for their benefit and the founders. Too often what happens when investors step in for pure financial return is the goal becomes focused on how to turn the company, "the exit", and not on building a sustainable company to enrich lives of the user base.
- Jason Cronkhite
well... to quote Robert Burns, "The best laid plans of mice and men often go astray"... Firstly I totally agree with Dave's other post (i.e. "Rex, you're making it too complicated..") where he outlines the structure of the Public Company... no problem there. I have reasoned out the same model some time ago. - I see it like a series of check-boxes that have to be ticked... and probably...
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- Simon Edhouse
Understand & agree for the most part. RE: BIG IDEA, don't know if it really has to be earth moving all the time but rather something that enough users can stand to benefit from both of using the product and financially. Simon, how about publishing your checklist and trying to get a following around the movement?
- Jason Cronkhite
The BIG IDEA is crucial... once you see it, you can't stop thinking about it, and that's what is needed to get massive buy-in. - "get a following around a movement" No... I can't drum that up. I am too small a fish, and not living in a VC hotspot. Dave's the man, if he can control his notorious crankiness (we love you Dave)... However, yes, I can add-value, but who am I? Dave has started to pull together this particular cosmic dust cloud. Let's see if he can truly lead it.
- Simon Edhouse
The crowdcorp concept is the way to go, now how do we make it happen? It is tough to manage efficiently the requirements of a community
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
RE: BIG IDEA, maybe so - maybe not...remains to be seen. RE: you're not the one, it takes powers of 2, lots of passion, determination and as Seth Godin would say a Tribe. Sure, Dave may be one to press the issue forward but this notion requires an ARMY. Dave, maybe you can enlist Scoble and the Building43 community to push this effort.
- Jason Cronkhite
[edit] ...There are those on the web that are captivated by their own notoriety, as if being involved in social-networks is a popularity contest. - It isn't. If this project idea falls into the hands of the 'lime-light-seekers', who seem to have short attention cycles, it will rapidly go off-course. (that's my own personal view)
- Simon Edhouse
Ah, Simon. I understand you but, this is where the Power of 2 comes in so handy (you need both - the Edhouse's & Scoble's). Keeping people on course and captivated require different talents. Maybe Scoble & Winer are perfect balances. Maybe it's others but more importantly, you need all shapes, colors and credes to do something like this and the power of collective intelligence and influence.
- Jason Cronkhite
LOL... maybe we need a Jason Cronkhite too
- Simon Edhouse
Its a jigsaw puzzle... but, like those super tricky huge jigsaw puzzle's, to complete it, someone needs to have the picture that encapsulates the final vision.
- Simon Edhouse
Agreed Simon! I'm willing to help.
- Jason Cronkhite
OK... next we need a money person... who gets it. Someone who can resource this... Its not going to go anywhere much till that person steps up.
- Simon Edhouse
They are around. I forwarded a pointer to my piece today with a guy I'm working with on another project.
- Dave Winer
Cool Dave. Let's keep the conversation going. I would love to see this happen.
- Jason Cronkhite
I have detailed Info-memorandum type docs, and have sent overviews to John Nesheim (http://www.nesheimgroup.com/) who has given the core-ideas his thumbs-up, and offered to introduce me to VCs etc... John is a great guy, very smart and accessible. We had a long Skype chat a while ago... he gets it.
- Simon Edhouse
Fantastic Simon! Are VC's really what's needed 1st?
- Jason Cronkhite
VCs are probably exactly not what's needed as they (generally) are always thinking of their exit, and being risk-averse by nature they tend to look for 'me-too' plays... (projects that have successful precedents in the marketplace) ... No, an Angel Investor is what's needed. But there still has to be a killer Business Model as money people are always in the business of making more...
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- Simon Edhouse
Not to get ahead of ourselves but, even before an Angel don't we just need a passionate following of people (users of products/services they may want to own)?
- Jason Cronkhite
It seems to me what is needed is a platform to evangelize the concept, get people behind the cause. Of course, a financial plan as to how users might contribute to show tangible interest would help in gaining validation and traction for larger investor types.
- Jason Cronkhite
well... I instinctively take a different view on that. Not to say you are wrong, I am just really aware of the 'politics' of collaboration, the realities of project 'execution', and the realities and importance of I.P. protection for investors, even if it may become a public company (which by the way is a VERY expensive process to go through and carries with it a raft of responsibilites...
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- Simon Edhouse
point well taken simon, agreed. so, let's see if dave wants to help assemble the core group, open discussion, have a meeting of the minds in-person and push things forward.
- Jason Cronkhite
Just opened a private group, "User Ventures" and sent you an invite, Simon/Dave.
- Jason Cronkhite
"Jason assembled a great group of heroes, known as the Argonauts after their ship, the Argo. The group of heroes included the Boreads (sons of Boreas, the North Wind) who could fly, Heracles, Philoctetes, Peleus, Telamon, Orpheus, Castor and Pollux, Atalanta, and Euphemus." http://bit.ly/9LTx9
- Simon Edhouse
Very Cool! :-)
- Jason Cronkhite
Then we all can start IPO's afterwards :) and sell our life-streams to google.
- Chirag Chamoli
Simon, Argo User Ventures is assembled as a group awaiting the rest of the Argonauts :-)
- Jason Cronkhite
LOL at the irony of opening a private group for this.
- Nick Lothian
Nick, do you plan to contribute?
- Jason Cronkhite
Nick, I have no qualms of opening up the group after those who plan to contribute help to establish a framework for the group. Foundations must be part of anything new even user centric organizations. So, if being an active contributor to help users suits you the group needs you and any other user advocate for that matter.
- Jason Cronkhite
This company crowdsourced their funding: http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Ray Cromwell
Another axis to think about is whether a particular idea even needs to be owned by a single entity, public, or otherwise. Chances are, if you're inventing another communication protocol/network to piggy back on the internet/web and ship data around, it isn't always necessary to have a single point of failure. Rather, you're taking a fault-tolerant network protocol (TCP/IP) and layering...
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- Ray Cromwell
Ray, just reached out to Charles Armstrong of Trampoline.
- Jason Cronkhite
Interesting points Ray, and yes, the technology idea you outline is in accord with some of the ideas we have been building on... but inventing another open protocol does not necessarily a profitable people's Company make. - and Nick, as regards the irony of a private discussion... Sometimes you have to be smart... and being 'smart' is also about being prudent and careful.,
- Simon Edhouse
I agree, but some things are commodities/public goods and not really something that should be walled off just to try and extract profits. (Which I'm not against, I just think there are plenty of other things to make profits on than setting up more toll bridges) Would RSS have taken off if a single company owned it and all feeds had to be hosted through their domain? Maybe, but I think we'd all be worse off than the current situation.
- Ray Cromwell
Yes... I agree, and this is a very interesting area. - Probably the only way I can get us out of this log-jam is to go deeper and state that I am interested in two key symbiotic projects. One being an open platform, and the other being a separate (and at arms length) vehicle to redefine the way commercial contacts between buyer and seller, or advertiser/vendor and viewer/client are conducted.
- Simon Edhouse
Simon: you are a jerk if you think I do this to "seek the limelight." I shared OTHER PEOPLE'S posts here more than 21,000 times. That is called sharing. I travel the world and point my camera at OTHER PEOPLE. Building communities is hard work and the fact that you have started this project by being an asshole does not bode well for its future.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I went and looked and Simon never even participated here. Two likes. What a jerk.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Now you're talking Dave. Let's get a publicly owned social media provider. But how?
- Mark Essel
Without question I'd like to see something like what Jason and Simon are discussing. I can't help but write about it on a regular basis. Robert I can imagine some who don't follow you regularly may not be familiar with your sharing, constant video/blogging and social media dedication. They could perceive your ubiquity (at least within certain circles) as being a glory hound. I see otherwise. You get it man and we all benefit from your work.
- Mark Essel
Mark: I agree, but I won't help a guy who questions my integrity and is a jerk. Maybe if he apologizes. Plus he's already proven he doesn't participate so WTF does he know about building a community? Geesh.
- Robert Scoble
If I may... this is a fantastic political opportunity for all of us (bystanders like myself, geeks and users). I can hardly follow half the things you write (although I google most of it), but I watch the process as an experiment on "Open" Democracy through Open Source. My best wishes on its success no matter who partakes. If there is anything a civilian can contribute, please don't hesitate to ... well poke. :-))
- constantinos alexacos
Robert: I'm looking more towards Brian Hendrickson & Dave if this concept is to move forward. I bumped into Brian quite randomly while chatting about open social media, and have been banging my head on some web programming that Brian is sharp enough to explain in a feasible way in short order. If an open crowd funded business is going to develop it'll be on the backs of developers. I hope I get to help out with the movement.
- Mark Essel
No, the IPO comes first, before anything else.
- Dave Winer
So public buy in before anything to buy into? Seems like tricky timing, but I see the point of that order. Get public ownership and direction driving the business forward from square 1. The IPO legal requirements are pretty involved, can they be met without a business structure?
- Mark Essel
Read up on public shell companies. http://www.google.com/search...
- Dave Winer
Thanks will do. Jeez this sounds fantastic: http://www.businessfinance.com/public-... The wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Mark Essel
Just to add my two cents: I am a relative small fry here in this big community and have been fortunate enough to have participated in interesting discussions with both Scoble and Dave. Both have found the time (at least to some degree) to engage with me and I have since wondered how they do it (or at least how much time it takes).
- Sean Powell
(Part 2) It seems based on these comments that something like this will need EVERYONE to actually be successful. With the advent of these technologies - friendfeed and (dare I say it) twitter - we now how the ability to truly get everyone involved and weigh in on decisions. That is the key here. Then we can help settle questions like: "Who decides where we go? What we do? Who's involved?" That last question should not even be considered. imho
- Sean Powell
Gee, calling people "jerks" and "assholes" is just too easy in this kind of forum isn't it? But you know Robert, I did not say that you had no integrity. What I was saying was that, if something like this were to develop in an integral fashion, as in [def:] "...necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental", then its not about obtaining mass publicity first off... which...
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- Simon Edhouse
Simon, you wrote, and I quote "Pleeeeeese.... not Scoble. - Its gonna take buckets of wisdom, and patience and dare I say it, integrity."
- Robert Scoble
Dave, the idea of: "...the IPO comes first" baffles me. - IPOs are very expensive, and would only seem to raise the level of risk. - What is the reason that you take that position? - I think great companies are built on great ideas, and without the solid foundation of a 'great idea', I (and other's) would sense that its an ideologically driven foray... Foundations are important.
- Simon Edhouse
That, to, me, says you were saying that I didn't have any integrity.
- Robert Scoble
Simon: but your last statement is better. I still think your first statement was pretty damn rude, though, and when someone calls you on your rudeness, your first answer should be "I'm sorry."
- Robert Scoble
That's what my community website network is all about. See http://Frederick.com for an example. The site is owned by the community.
- Craig Shipp
IPO? The IPO market doors have been shut for sometime. Thanks for the chuckle.
- cheapsuits
yep... I'm sorry if that offended you, really. Loose words... I don't know you, and you don't know me. Over a coffee, we would probably have a chuckle and find quite a bit of common ground. Please accept my apology. It was an off the cuff remark, poorly executed.
- Simon Edhouse
Robert... gee I should have looked at your pic before insulting you! - Lucky I'm on the other side of the planet. ;) (I'm an Aussie, from English stock... fairly reserved, and nowhere near the buzzy west coast of the US. - so on quite a different frequency)
- Simon Edhouse
Apology accepted, now we can move on. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Ok... The trigger for this discussion was Dave's clarion call: ""we, the users, need to own a technology company -- and have it work to serve our interests..." ~ Its a meme that obviously resonates with many. There's been a shift to user-control, and libertarianism rolling forward for years on the web... and the implied friction-point (which is very real) is the tension between the Web...
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- Simon Edhouse
agreed.
- Thomas Hawk
Simon / Robert: Glad you guys made up :-) ... Simon, I am interested in your points of view and think there is a lot of merit to the visioning process with great leadership. I think Robert is one of the best evangelists for technology there is and letting the Scobleizer do what he does best has a time and place and I think Robert knows this and I'm sure he can move forward once there is...
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- Jason Cronkhite
Forgive me if I don't understand, but isn't the purpose of a company to make profits? Why not create a foundation akin to Mozilla or Apache instead? The closest service-oriented foundations I can think of are Wikipedia and Archive.org. It becomes interesting to me if we're talking about a services-oriented organization that provides end-user services built on top of existing and future...
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- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Ankush, I think the differentiation is that users contribution to these companies are not being rewarded. Why can the users as well as founders not be rewarded when they are essentially building the value of the company together. Companies cannot become valuable without customers so, they need each other and if users/customer bring up the valuation of the company why not have the...
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- Jason Cronkhite
But what's the end goal? Rewards or integrity? You have to find a balance in any for-profit venture. However, non-profits are driven largely by vision and integrity (ideally speaking). So let me ask some more questions. If you're laying down your money as a user+investor, won't your interests change from time to time? If you actually take a company like this public who controls the...
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- Ankush Narula
Brian... Wikipedia is a pretty good example of a company that operates for its users and is almost totally dependent on its users. However, it has no real business model, but retains a hugely valid place in most of our lives. - There is however an answer to the current dilemma/stalemate that folks here have been yearning for, and it is perfect and simple. In a nut-shell I would call it:...
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- Simon Edhouse
...and now its 4.00am down under, and I have to hit the sack... G'night fellow travellers.
- Simon Edhouse
Simon... if we're talking alternatives to client-server the only one that I can think of is true distributed peer-to-peer. So perhaps a collective of such companies working together under an umbrella would be very effective since we would see many various incarnations of user+investor style companies. Interesting...
- Ankush Narula
My only concern there, and its a well researched concern, is about secuity of the core protocol. there's a huge amount that can be 'open' on top, but the base transport protocol, sitting on TCP/IP needs to be super-tight, and solid. best kept as a trade secret, inside an ultimately publicy owned Company, that has rules to prevent corporations ever owning more than 10% of the stock. If...
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- Simon Edhouse
Update, I contacted Charles Armstrong, CEO of Trampoline last night and he's interested to join and learn more about this. He may be popping in soon.
- Jason Cronkhite
Simon... Check out this presentation on wuala's architecture if/when you have time: http://www.wuala.com/en...
- Ankush Narula
Dave ---- If I may comment about your original post sorry!), I found the post pretty inspiring. I advise on social media for an agency (no flames, please) and one of the things I talk about is "sensible" and "realistic" ROI. What I mean is very clear: we're not going to use bullshit metrics like "awareness" or "impressions" to measure whether or not our work had an effect on the brand....
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- Michael E. Rubin
Ankush... had a quick look, but immediately I see a big discord with what I've been thinking/planning. i.e. "You can upload any file of any size"... that is a continuation of the situation that has got P2P systems into so much trouble, and stigmatized the technolgy. Its great in one sense, but it invites Piracy, copyright theft etc etc. P2P is THE logical system for the internet, (its...
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- Simon Edhouse
Public shell looks like a good alternative, is it too early to bring VRM ideas to the promised land scenario?
- Alberto Saavedra
gee, don't get me started on VRM... nice philosophy, but very naive. (uh oh, 4.24am... damn) Bye...
- Simon Edhouse
The users owning it - it's the Open Source model!
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
Update after hearing back from a finance friend and reading some more on public shells, they have an history of association of use by folks who abuse the system and they are hidden liabilities (I'm still in the dark on those liabilities).
- Mark Essel
We touched on 'GOOG' & 'Business Models' yesterday... my observation about the prevailing status quo paradigm for web-advertising is summarised here: http://friendfeed.com/simoned...
- Simon Edhouse
hmmm... ok, if the concept of "Web Advertising" elicits such a nonplussed reaction, reflect on this: Contacts between vendor and buyer, and the drawing of these two parties together via promotion or request, is the basic process that 'Advertising' tries to achieve. However, as Danah Boyd highlighted in her December 2007 blog piece, (Who clicks on ads? And what might this mean?),...
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- Simon Edhouse
exactly
- sofarsoShawn
Blog on "how can anyone follow 10s of thousands?" http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Owen Greaves, G. Berr, Phil Harrison and 8 other people liked this
Ask Robert Morrison (@praguebob) - he does only mutual following and got something like 60k followers/following. Insane. I agree with you post completely - mine 600 something following generates about 1000 tweets/day and even that is way too much to read/absorb.
- Dušan Šimonovič
Oh and only about half of the people I follow follows me back and that's about the same on my following - 30-60% is the normal range I think.
- Dušan Šimonovič
Dusan: yeah, it's true. You will get more followers if you autofollow back. But that game is lame anyway. What point is there to doing that?
- Robert Scoble
The important statement here is "*if* you care careful about who you follow *THEN* it is an endorsement and it does define you." But if you are not careful, then is the reverse true?
- Justin Long
Soon you will need another account for "Must Reads".
- G. Berr
G. that's probably true, but hopefully Twitter will give us groups.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter launched with groups in Japan
- Robert Higgins
Robert - I see no point. I proactively do "followback" (by hand, to avoid obvious bots/spam) only on my company's twitter account for the fans/users of the service and don't care what they are tweeting - but that's a very different use (partly support, partly broadcast, etc.) of Twitter then for personal stuff.
- Dušan Šimonovič
As you mentioned, the ability to sort in groups is key once you reach even one hundred. The way I "Follow" people on Twitter versus "follow" is that I pull specific RSS feeds for the people I "Follow". The rest is more casual or I move them into tools like Friendfeed for a better chance to see. I remove people once I determine they have nothing in common with me or other flags.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
groups - we can haz them...someday, but not today *sign*
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
RT @TechCrunch Facebook Acquires FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (h/t @themediaisdying)
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what happens now?
- Ahmet Soyata
Say it ain't so!!!!
- Robert Burgin
coongrats-- its a game changer for twitter if you ask me
- cheapsuits
i seriously hope. this is bullshit.
- Edgar Rodríguez
So, is this beginning of the end of Friendfeed? Or the end of the beginning? :)
- Dilip Dand
I hope this is not true! FB will slow down or even kill FF's innovation :(
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I can't believe I beat you by 4 minutes in breaking this news, Robert ;-)
- Bora Zivkovic
Here is the official confirmation from FF: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
- Manu Ullas
Texting Death - Mike Lukovich - Gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5325905...
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Yahoo Already Suffering From Microsoft Technology - http://www.businessinsider.com/yahoo-a...
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Ahh, more geeks understand why I've been FriendFeed fan so long. See @steverubel and @jowyang -- FFSearch is 100x better than Twitter search
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Rochelle was saying a minute ago that she tried to un-follow someone 3 times and they kept showing up everywhere. I told her Robert Scoble says this all the time :-)
- Amir
I just learned today that my tweets on Tweetdeck are not showing up at all in twitter search. Massive fail.
- jcunwired
jcunwired: Twitter has been a massive fail since day one. We still love it, don't we?
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed is just a better service all the way around. The UI changes are what finally won me over.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I've been with you all the way.
- Jesse Stay
Design fail imho. FriendFeed made better choices. Now the atomicity of the idea behind twitter is what makes it more "known" than FriendFeed.
- directeur
Twitter better jump on the 'groups' bandwagon soon without having to use a 3rd party app or I'm going to jump boat. It's getting too hard for me to keep up and I only follow 250 people.
- Antigone
I too also just discovered that I could not unfolllow with tweetdeck
- David Stratton
I just love FF - Twitter is a 3-ring social circus, if you ask me - I surly won't re-tweet this, Huh!
- Houseofmax
It's fun to watch the Obama feed in real time as he talks about Health Care: http://friendfeed.com/search...
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You can watch live at http://mashable.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Can you tell him socialized medicine failed in Soviet Union ;)
- Vlad Zabblotskyy
Can you tell him socialized medicine is doing better than profitized medicine everywhere else?
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Vlad: as long as you tell him about Europe and Canada.
- Robert Scoble
And tell Vlad that capitalism is failing in Russia today too.
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
live at http://www.youtube.com/whiteho... too (much better audio quality)
- Jérôme Flipo
Communist medicine is not the same thing as socialized medicine. Nice strawman though.
- Alex Scoble
btw, RS, the way you wrote that makes it sound like "Puppy Cam II: Electric Beagleloo"
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Watching Friendfeed now - thanks!
- Marti Lawrence
thanks for the idea, interesting to see how people are reporting it live like this :-D
- immaterial
yay! now i can get the aggro haters without feeling dismay
- Nathan Eckenrode
Required reading for Obama and Senate/House. Peter Neupert - It's Not About Costs, It's About Enabling Transformation http://bit.ly/nRnv9
- bobcoffield
Gee, Twitter discussion of politics is just so deep man. </sarcasm>
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason: tell me about it. I thought the celebrities ruined Twitter. Now I'm pretty sure it's #tcot though.
- Robert Scoble
All right, that really is a very cool use of search - awesome!
- Martha
agree #tcot ruined twitter
- Nathan Eckenrode
but #tcot is one of the best troll-filtering devices ever created!
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
I wonder how many people and companies are changing their passwords and policies this morning because of #twittergate and http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... ? I know I am, I was doing a few of the stupid practices that caught Twitter.
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Does anyone have a good blog post for how to come up with strong password names and policies?
- Robert Scoble
taht's great, I am also willing to change my password.
- Madhav Tripathi
1Password on the Mac...
- Holger Eilhard
not for corp use but for personal use 1Password is perfect
- Mike Bracco
Holger: beat me to it :)
- Mike Bracco
Mike: Sometimes I'm faster. Rarely, but happens :-)
- Holger Eilhard
I will write a blog post about it.
- Madhav Tripathi
Robert on the network side of things there are programs that generate strong passwords. But you can develop a "feel" for it. I have to create them all the time. Just don't use "memory aids" they lead to social hacks
- Melanie Reed
You're okay if you don't use 3rd party apps to login to Twitter, right?
- Steven E. Streight
I like this one. http://www.pctools.com/guides...
- Logan Lindquist
Sorry, should have linked to the TechCrunch article about how the hacker broke into Twitter: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Steven: this isn't about your Twitter account's security. It's about your security on the Web.
- Robert Scoble
Here's some password policies you might find interesting: http://www.nersc.gov/nusers... , http://www.comptechdoc.org/indepen... , http://www.sans.org/resourc...
- imabonehead
I have no need because my passwords have always been 12+ characters, include caps, random characters, and numbers. I'm sure most people that use FF are the same way. The engineers I work with bitch about my choice of passwords all the time.
- coldbrew
The sad reality is any password can be hacked. It's just a matter of time as in attrition. But you can make it harder for them with strong passwords
- Melanie Reed
I use Lastpass.com to generate and save passwords.
- mrshl
Yeah, we've always tried to make sure our hosting customers understand how important it is create good passwords, but many still use bad passwords, hopefully all of this recent press will scare them into using better passwords. Most people don't care about their password until something bad happens to them. It's similar to people who ignore making backups and then find out the hard way.
- Scott Beale
Just pick a couple good ones that you can use for different things. Practice typing them so you can remember the keystrokes easier. The more you use them the easier it will be to remember. Use keepass or FFox to keep track of them.
- Logan Lindquist
1Password hands down for ease of use and strong password creation on OSX and iPhone
- Jerry Schuman
I wrote this regarding Twitter, security & the cloud: Here's my thoughts http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009... #twittergate
- Jim Connolly
Melanie: it's the social hacks that will catch the most people. Not the strength of the passwords. Notice that he didn't need to guess the passwords, he just needed to use the ecosystem against itself.
- Robert Scoble
I agree 100% about 1Password, one of the best Mac apps out there: http://agilewebsolutions.com/product...
- Scott Beale
Roboform on Windows. Otherwise 1Password.
- Herb Hernandez
Very few. People and companies generally don't make policy changes until they're bitten themselves.
- Darren
Good point about social engineering, Scoble.
- coldbrew
I ended up writing this http://blog.siliconverse.com/2009...
- Ruchit Garg
Robert: yes. its the easiest hack to employ
- Melanie Reed
Or there's a business requirement . e.g. Customers inquire about policies based on what they've read in the news and impose requirements on their partners.
- Darren
If you need cross-platform then I'd look at http://www.keepassx.org
- Jerry Schuman
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- Mark
Unfortunately most companies don't change passwords until they have too, the IT department doesn't want to deal with the calls when someone can't remember there password.
- Kim Landwehr
my 14 character alphanumeric pass for my gmail account was hacked about 2mo ago. After fixing, Ive gone and changed all passes; & none of them are of the same ilk. my twitter account is the simplest; cause i care less if its hacked.
- clarke thomas
The best thing to happen to corporate security was the public insecurity of Microsoft software int the late part of the 90s and earlier in the decade.
- Darren
I use Roboform Password Manager to navigate and automatically login to websites using complex passwords: http://www.eenmanierom.nl/wachtwo... (Dutch post but Google Translate is nearby).
- Patrick Mackaaij
a lot, I hope.....
- Alex Griffiths
FTR, I use Keepass (hosted on sourceforge).
- coldbrew
I had to this week my XBL account was hacked.
- Dylan Richardson
I had to change everything and cancel 2 cards.
- Dylan Richardson
I use GRC to gen and never use anything less than 20 chars unless the site doesn't support that length. Sometimes I use the first 20 in a 64 bit key, sometimes I use the last 20, sometimes I pick the middle 20. Sometimes I use 21, 22, 23, 19 char length. I also lie on all reminder questions.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I use a hosted version of clipperz (http://clipperz.com/), totally random passwords, web accessible from anywhere and hosted on my own server.
- Justin Yost
same here, Justin. I use lastpass which generates random passwords, and has one master password, which is a very secure one.
- Tim Hoeck
A couple of months ago, my gmail was hacked. They then quickly went and changed my Itunes account over to another email and started buying iphone apps. In the about an hour and a half, that they had control over my email they spent almost $1000. Luckily they made the mistake of changing the name and language on my account. I don't use the email much anymore but g reader so I spotted it....
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- Rasmus Lauridsen
for years, private corporate systems have had security measures like password strength policies for a domain, password age policies, secure connection requirements, logon policies that deny multiple logons, locking out user accounts after multiple password failures, etc. etc. etc. this incident with Twitter is a huge wake-up call.
- Karim
What first caught my eye was this article was written by Nik Cubrilovic. I had wondered what had happened to him, and hoped everything was well with him.
- Lloyd Budd
Yeah, Nik was in the TechCrunch office when I was there the other day. I figured a big story was underway cause Arrington told me to stop wasting Nik's time and to go bug the interns. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Making an awesomely strong password wouldn't have prevented this attack. It was using the same awesomely strong password that made the attack possible. And who hasn't done that? There's just too many apps that require passwords out there.
- marziah
I typically use KeePass to generate as strong a password as I can. I try to keep passwords to a minimum of 20 characters and use letters, numbers and symbols...some sites allow this some do not. If there is a password character max I will use that max (within reason). The problem I have is with some of the accounts I want to be able to access from my Blackberry. Having a 50 character...
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- Sean Brady
I use RoboForm to create all my passwords. I have them backed up and honestly couldn't type one out if I tried, they all are 14-16 chars long
- George Handlin
+1 George. A good pw generator like RoboForm or 1password can save you a lot of grief later on.
- Bill Sodeman
interesting experiment, make accounts at free websites and have really awful passwords and see how long it takes to get hacked!
- Mark
I agree with Sean Brady, makes it tough entering on the blackberry. Especially how sometimes it will cap the first character and when it's masked, makes it even tougher. Wish there was something I could host on my own server that would work with all my machines (Win/Mac) and my phones. I don't like the idea of storing on some hosted service. Thinking of trying RoboForms hosted service since they are trusted and I've gained personal trust for the application.
- George Handlin
It makes me anxious not knowing my password is for a particular site... so I've always been wary of things like 1password or roboform. I also need something that I can pull up from any computer, which rules out 1password. I've heard good things about supergenpass
- Mark Philpot
Take a look at Clipperz then, if you can get to the internet you can get to Clipperz (http://www.clipperz.com/)
- Justin Yost
Justin - @jtyost2 - I just checked out www.clipperz.com for the password mgmt, looks promising, but wish there were better integration w/ Firefox somehow. It's pretty cumbersome to get started.
- Alex Schleber
Yeah that is a drawback.
- Justin Yost
thanks 4 reminder should do it now arrgh!! as we speak!!
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert due to all the virus issues we went to a more secured password format 3 months ago. We use a minimum of 8 characters numbers letter and mixed case password plus you can not use your name. We force our users to change their passwords every 3 months.
- Rob Cairns
I think for a security policy to be effective it has to be secret...
- Alexandros Georgiadis
KeePass (Win) and KeePassX (cross platform) is excellennt! Strong public encryption and publicly available source code. I would love to go with LastPass, they have a beautiful cross platform syncing solution, but since they are closed source (for now) I'm holding off switching to their product.
- Daniel Chow
I stopped using the same password years ago. To help me keep up with the various passwords, I have been using KeePass on Windows, Windows Mobile and OS X for several years; I'm waiting for iKeePass to become available.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
http://www.yubico.com/home... for hardware PW protection, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US... FireFox addon LastPass is for software app, https://www.grc.com/passwor... for GRC's ultra High Security (put it on a usb flash and copy paste), http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008... geeks know everything!
- Rich Weaver
Yep the 'ecosystem' is undoubtedly insecure. I believe this type of hacking also has elements of social engineering to it. I dislike the "secret questions" as today when most people's personal information is transparent online what purpose do those questions serve, except to weaken security? Can we please opt out of dumb security questions... someone start a petition or something!
- ASKJDOG
Great Post, I learned more about improving my security in 15 minutes than I would have at a 2 day seminar. :)
- Robert Higgins
I hope the lasting legacy of twittergate is better security thanks to articles like this one.
- Stephen Mack
I use http://passwordmaker.org/ for most of my password, it means I only need to remember a single password and it generates a unique password for each site I use (by hashing my password with the url). For the remaining sites, I use http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/ and dropbox to sync my password database across machines.
- Wilka Hudson
I see many people using/recommending password generator sites. I also recommend these, but one day I thought - what if the password generators are hacked? --> http://robotterror.com/site...
- Robert J Taylor
Password Maker (the first link) isn't just a password generator site - I use it as a FireFox plugin. It's also open source, so if you're really unsure about the safety of it you can have a look at the code yourself. I realise that's not a very good answer for an non-coders, but it does mean that if it was hacked *somebody* would notice and it would be all over blogs like Bruce Schneier http://www.schneier.com/blog/
- Wilka Hudson
Also, for you those of using Firefox - you should look at this: http://cubicledenizen.blogspot.com/2008...
- Wilka Hudson
I think unless we develop somethig better than passwords we will never fix the problem. Using different strong passwords is good but it's no better than locking a cycle up outside a store, they just ensure that only dedicated people hack your acount/steal your cycle, which in general are the worst people to hack your account.
- Darren Rollett
Some people on here have informed the world what their password policy is and what tool they use to generate passwords. If this had been a conversation down the pub then probably not a problem but if I want information on high value passwords FriendFeed would probably be the place to go due to the people who use the system.
- Darren Rollett
Nobody has mentioned https://mashedlife.com - it uses a bookmarklet to log you into your sites. That way you can use anything for the password. Cliperz looks like a similar system.
- Daniel Siva
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hilarious, Will Ferrell is brilliant :)
- Ivo Mortani
The "stolen" Twitter docs now being published by TechCrunch just make Twitter look freaking awesome. Agree or disagree? Tell me here:
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I think that this helps Twitter get to the next level. Why? Because it brings us deep inside Twitter where we see what they are thinking. It humanizes Twitter. It opens up Twitter in a way that Facebook simply won't be able to respond to.
- Robert Scoble
If they can pull off what has been shown, definitely, but I do have my doubts.
- Jimminy Fuller
definitely agree. They seems pretty promising.
- TheHenry
I called Arrington an Asshole yesterday & today I said I loved him! Im into women though - i get married next saturday
- iTbay
billions
- ZuDfunck
The pulse of the planet. You've gotta' love that.
- Gregg Morris
James: me too, but at least it shows that there's leaders there.
- Robert Scoble
It shows them to be very deliberate and thoughtful about a lot of things, that's for sure.
- Bill Kinney
If I were at Facebook now I would have a hacker "steal" my internal plans and publish them too. This is great PR for Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
ah crap techcrunch has lost it, stupid journalism and unwanted
- Keith Dsouza
Whether it's good or not for Twitter the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth from TC perspective.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Awesome? Asking for a "full license to the content (including commercial use)", doesn't sound very awesome to me. http://cliq.cc/asfxl
- Darren
Should have turned the docs over to the authorities. Take the high road not the road to more page views.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
This came up in our discussion, this might actually help Twitter. This is the first time everyone's pretty much siding with them and giving twitter sympathy. We have a great discussion on the matter going on here: http://davidspinks.com/2009...
- David Spinks
I agree.
- Özgür D. Cyric
from iPhone
It's still in bad taste. What would he say if his company's internal strategy were leaked and publicly scrutinized by competitors? This is a plus for Twitter because they sound like they have things together, but Arrington and TechCrunch just look petty and opportunistic.
- ServInt
Although just about any news outlet would do the same thing, so it's hard to fault him entirely.
- ServInt
it reads to me like Arrington is leveraging possession of these documents to make twitter say "thank you, sir! may i have another?". i just can't get behind that. Dave Winer points out people are interested and want to know about this. true - myself included - but it will all come to light soon enough. is anyone making book on whether there will be a glass houses moment for TechCrunch?
- jeffscott
Robert , cant agree more, this is great PR for Twitter. Maybe this is whole incident is going according to Plan ? If the French site got these tonnes of doc's why did they not pub them too eh ?? after all its a scoop correct ?
- Peter Dawson
I suspect in the end it will be a win win for both parties TC and Twitter.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Just like paparazzi pics of Britney Spears topless make her look freaking awesome. TC is the new National Enquirer for nerds.
- jcunwired
Twitter just looks like all the rest of us, innovating away, not really sure where they are going. It all looks very real and normal to me.
- Graeme Sutherland
I'm with Molly Wood on this. Dick move Tech Crunch.
- Tom McCoy
Twitter may look awesome but I think it makes TechCrunch look awful. When you use the word "stolen" it's like you don't think they were but they were. This is TechCrunch profiting off stolen goods which is illegal when it comes to tangible items. I think they should have turned them over to Twitter with a hey dude I think you might want these back.....
- Jerranna
I guess what I'm wondering is why any of it was "secret" to begin with. If they want me to invest in them, this is the kind of thing they should be telling me.
- Matthew DeVries
Is this a PR tactic by twitter?
- Ruchit Garg
I have to agree with Darren, I don't like the concept that Twitter wants "full license to the content (including commercial use)." Their "content," as I understand it, are the thoughts and musings of all us tweeps. Sure, lots of people, myself included, also use Twitter to promote an article or some other sort of publicity. But what about the more random thoughts that are posted? I...
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- Ian Paul
Not sure it makes them look awesome, but it certainly is not hurting them being talked about. I mean as a user, at the end of the day, do you feel good about the poor security job by a company trying to be a major media player?
- Patrick Boegel
I feel conflicted. On one side, I do not agree with what Techcrunch did. I understand why, but the ethical issues have me filing this under my long in the tooth file called "I have personal issues with what journalists sometimes do, but appreciate the fact that they do it." (Watergate, anyone?) Moving on... I am also fascinated. Twitter have, literally, made a monster. For a while it...
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- Andy Bold
Phase 1 - Release documents showing what we'd like to do. Phase 2 - Do something else. Phase 3 - Profit
- Keith Barrett
from Android
Looks they know who they are but is it deliberate?
- ashish
Re: my earlier comment about licensing content. I just got to the document where Twitter discusses content licensing options. I like the issues they're pondering and the consideration for the average user. Let's hope that kind of awareness remains. I'm impressed by the process Twitter is going through, and the thoughtfulness these documents express. But does it make them look awesome?...
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- Ian Paul
"Audience size: 1st to a Billion = Awesome" - I imagine the Twitter guys throwing up the horns and headbanging when they read this to themselves.
- Bryan Zirkel
It's a link farm. There's no conversation going on there. But hey, we need one of those. Just like we need a World Wide Rolodex called Facebook. It's all good.
- Stephen Pickering
i think it's a bull$hit story, for new bogus cyber laws, and also to distract from the Goldman Sachs/Quantum Trading Shakeup scandal ; see http://ff.im/5dh9T +++ and also btw: http://ff.im/5jNoC LaToyah Jackson Twitter-Follow autoUpdate delayed by Twitter
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Again, I think Twitter could have stolen the thunder away from TechCrunch here and just published it all ahead of time. They had a huge opportunity.
- Jesse Stay
I think I would call this in favor of Twitter. They have been very close to the vest about their plans to the point that people have speculated (too long) that there are no plans or they are too scattered to have any plans. In the absence of communication / information, people have been filling in the "blanks" with their own information and most of it has not been good. So, by giving us...
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- Brenda Young
I will let you know my personal opinion after getting my “advisor shares” :)))
- Nir Ben Yona
Actually, the "Twitter Papers" stolen and leaked make them look like a company in the thrall and haze of early momentum trying to figure out what do next...trying not to be stupid and squander what they, and many of us, sense is an historic commercial, consumer and social moment. Their apparent bouncing from suitor meeting to suitor meeting to acquisition analysis and back to competitor...
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- Thom Kennon
Feldman has gotten hold of all 320 pages it seems, heh
- Mark
I love the idea, a lot of my hopes for twitter may not be (such) a pipe dream anymore. It would be great if they came through on 1/2 of the ideas "posted" by TC.
- Adam
Twitter is now claiming on their blog that they do not agree with what arrington posted regarding their consent.
- Bill Kinney
Bill: Actually, they seem to further equivocate, saying they didn't give "permission for these documents to be shared". That could simply refer to them giving the thief permission to "share" with TC... not denying they let Arrington publish them with, my guess is, agreed edits and redacts. Schonfeld is very quiet about all this. Would be interesting to sweat him out a bit...
- Thom Kennon
Thom, see also: http://twitter.com/ev...
- Bill Kinney
Thom, I guess I also drew that conclusion from this: http://twitter.com/ev...
- Bill Kinney
In my opinion TC shouldnt public any of these docs ,,,,they are stolen and there is no way that this site or another will use them
- Johni Fisher
what do you mean Johni? gawker have stated tonight they will post the whole set of documents if someone sends them to their inbox
- Mark
TC is doing Twitter a favor. By controlling what gets out Twitter remains happy, it remains controversial, and Twitter gets more exposure than they could ask for. Otherwise you can bet they will end up on wikileaks somewhere (and they probably will anyway).
- Jesse Stay
Jesse Stay: do you see an opportunity in the way that these docs landed on the TC table ... sorry they should protect Twitter and help them to find the one that made that, TC has an important space today in the tech world and they sould protect companies like Twitter
- Johni Fisher
who's gonna lead the friendGate heist?
- George Dearing
from BuddyFeed
Johni, even more so, TC has a responsibility as a journalist to report the news, and protect their sources at the same time. I imagine the reporting here and discussions with Twitter were done in a very business-like manner, offering Twitter the opportunity for a ton of exposure if Twitter in turn would agree not to sue them. The other alternative would be the entire documents would end...
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- Jesse Stay
Jesse : if there is fire somewhere will you join ? or try to help ?TC has much more than just responsibility,I cant see any other way to publish these docs with out the 100% OK of Twitter ,and if some one will ask me ,I am sure that all this story is with the 100% ok from them ,TC will not take any risk on that ,,,its funny that most of us are belivers :-)))
- Johni Fisher
Johni, I'm saying this leak is the best thing that could have happened to Twitter. There's no fire, and Tech Crunch is only helping to make it better. What would be worse is it appearing on Wikileaks with no exposure in any way by TechCrunch. Twitter's trying to downplay it right now because they have to or their investors will be all over them. Twitter couldn't ask for better exposure though. Controversy is what makes products.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse:If Twitter are not ok with the action it should never be on the Air ,sorry that I cant agree about TC helping Twitter and not losing the big news to other bloger ,,,LOL TC has much more to lose than other bloger ,,, and if I was Twitter founder I would make 20-50 million usd just by asking TC to pay quickly with out the court ,,,,I am sure that this story if Twitter will act with...
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- Johni Fisher
"Stolen" indeed. These docs were written to be leaked.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Yeah, no typos, no mistakes in grammar, no margin notes, revision notes, just pages and pages of pure gold.
- Matthew DeVries
It look like Twitter is going public ... lets see
- Johni Fisher
Anyone that previously thought the they don't have a plan to generate revenue is now proven wrong. They certainly spend a considerable amount of time thinking about that.
- Joe Buhler
A little too much to think of twitter as "the pulse of the internet", but they do look awesome. Wonder if it wasnt all just a big PR stunt.. it came on a very good timing!
- Leonardo Saraceni
and seem to have a clue as to how to get there too, Joe.
- Bill Kinney
I have issues with TC's decision to publish this info but I'll admit that I read every word of that last post. I'm blown away by how much information was revealed. My head is spinning digesting all of the info and wondering how all of those potential partnerships will be impacted.
- Mike Doeff
agree
- Thomas Power
stolen is the key word. not leaked, but stolen. it pisses me off that @arrington is trying to make this whole thing look like he is doing twitter a favor by helping them with their security isuues and so on. the right thing to do would have been to email @ev or whomever and tell them they had been hacked. delete the documents off of his computer and report the story with twitters permission. if it were leaked info, i think @arrington could do whatever he wanted with the info.
- Tobias Lewsadder
another issue is the burning of bridges... did @arrington shoot himself in the foot by doing this? will twitter ever grant him an interview? will twitter ever come to him with breaking news? will twitter investors like kevin rose ever trust arrington? and... after the whole @leolaporte issue where everyone was hating on @arrington and he stated that he feared for his personal safety, is...
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- Tobias Lewsadder
How does this conversation change in light of this from @ev? http://twitter.com/ev... In my eyes, it says "TC are either misleading their readers, incompetent, or full of BS."
- Andy Bold
And I am reminded of all the -is vitriol too strong a word?- directed at last.fm reference their data sharing without, as far as I can see so far, any real evidence displayed by TC. How is it that TC will publish "secret" Twitter docs, but not post any docs supporting the last.fm allegations? Inconsistent and sloppy.
- Andy Bold
Mostly it makes TC look like a bunch of assholes.
- Bas
I am sure they are not assholes, but their editorial policy is spotty at best, and broken at worst.
- Mark
The funny thing about Arrington, is when it all gets too much for him he goes on vacation. He is publishing stolen documents and getting slammed for it, but of course its all about him, so he proclaims he is running away to las vegas.
- Mark
Of course he thinks he is a martyr now for publishing this. He tweeted something like "taking the sword in the back" for the good of the industry. You better believe if it was a blog with less influence than TC, or less power than Arrington there would have been cease and desists and other legal things from TWITTER.
- Mark
I thought there was some kind of law against stealing and/or publishing internal business documents. Espionage. Maybe Twitter's business model just became suing TechCrunch?
- beersage
they wouldn't dare sue techcrunch, right?
- Mark
Holy crap, maybe they WOULD sue TechCrunch for "the damage caused" http://blog.twitter.com/2009...
- Mark
@Mark - Twitter has more "Charisma" in my opinion... meaning more folks would come to Twitter's defense if they sued TechCrunch than consider them 'evil.' They'd probably have to show that the release of the documents has damaged their business.
- beersage
Take a look at that Twitter blog post posted a few hours ago, it seems to suggest they might go after people who publish internal documents
- Mark
They aren't suing anyone. They engineered this. They're posturing as part of the rouse.
- Matthew DeVries
But why would they leak documents in which they say Marissa at google is a pain in the ass?
- Mark
Because she does, in fact, induce rectal pain?
- Matthew DeVries
lolz
- Mark
I highly doubt Twitter set this up as a hoax. It makes them look incredibly dumb for lack of security.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
From what I've read it's all good press,all power to ya Twitter.
- Richard Kawane Sr
Small minds talk about people, great minds discuss ideas. Can we move the conversation to open vs. Closed and transparency in modern businesses. What about the effect social media is having on this shift.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Indeed. If felt a bit like nosing around into someone's secret diary but it does make them look smart, deep thinking and a bit dreamy (which is not necessarily bad.) I am not sure I am ok with TechCrunch publishing it though. And I loved this: “unusually happy place to work in”.
- Ina Ghita
ScottBourne: welcome to our legal system where if there are two conflicting interests things sometimes get warped. There's lots of legal precident here for stolen docs to be sharable publicly because of our First Amendment. Twitter would probably lose a suit, according to the legal analysis I've seen. This is why journalists and lawyers aren't liked, though. No one ever said this business is nice.
- Robert Scoble
Wreaks of publicity stunt to this skeptic...
- Dale
IMO, dealing in stolen good is just that. publishing them doesn't change anything. sure, there are times that some have purposefully stolen documents with the express purpose of publishing them - sometimes to expose crimes, etc. it's still stealing and some go to jail for such actions no matter the motive or outcome. finally publishing stolen Twitter docs doesn't come close to journalistic acts of publishing stolen government docs in an effort to thwart crimes so don't even go there.
- MikeAmundsen
I side with Twitter on the whole thing (mostly since they admitted to being in the wrong), but to an extent, I question the validity and integrity of the documents, since nobody outside of Twitter has seen them (Barring whoever supposedly submitted them to TechCrunch, and the few people who read the related blog posts).
- Tyson Key
Gotta agree with Dale... this seems pretty contrived. And coming off the heels of techcrunch, where real-time media is all the rage, it seems like a planned way to build buzz on the Twit
- Mark Gordon
it is good PR for new hire: great ambitions
- Jadito
The perception from the docs is that they are diligently planning and internalizing their growth. That said going from 25 million users to 1 Billion in just 4 years would be breathtaking -- and far beyond the faster than any communication paradigm ever in the history of the planet.....Is this planned? That seems unlikely. Should they have been posted by TechCrunch -- no.
- Shane Pearson
They will achieve such ambition if they are bought by a bigger one. What is freaking.is if they change their privacy policy like Facebook did.
- Eric Gourmet
D12 Handbag of Holding - http://lslinks.laughingsquid.com/d12-han...
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b e a u t i f u l ... music recorded in a cavern of Minas Gerais, Brazil http://www.obers.com.br/coracao... (Thx!! @cesarviana)
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Attached is a Microsoft Excel document with all the highlighted "Ten to Follow" FriendFeed accounts since July of 2008, started by Mike Fruchter. Enjoy. (More than 100)
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Mike Fruchter is at http://www.friendfeed.com/fruchte..., and has never been highlighted, but is an outstanding FriendFeeder.
- Louis Gray
Sweet
- Josh Haley
Awesome. Thank you so much for putting them into 1 list. That's a huge help.
- Keith - @tsudo
I second that motion concerning Mike Fruchter, Louis Gray :)
- J. D. Ebberly
J.D., considering Mike highlighted me in the first one, and then I took over, I never highlighted him back. That would make sense, wouldn't it? And Keith, yes, it helps me too. Turns out on 3 separate occasions, I have highlighted people Mike did already. Now, this won't happen again.
- Louis Gray
like email :)
- sean percival
Louis: If I may suggest - use Google docs. I copied your spreadsheet and put it here as an example: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub...
- Ric Johnson
Ric, that works too. I just wanted to post an attachment via FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
URL's should be clickable, but that's cool :)
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Mike - the biggest reason I created the spreadsheet above was to be able to click and follow everyone Luis suggested. Try it!
- Ric Johnson
Louis can I republish this for all the Ecademy members?
- Thomas Power
Thomas, of course you may. This is community property. The Google Docs version is clickable. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub...
- Louis Gray
Cool! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
+1 for clickable urls ... Display works great on the iPhone, but adding new people is a bit more tricky.
- Jonathan Greene
from iPhone
I edited the doc to indicate that Rick Bucich and Michael Fidler are no longer active in FF at those addresses. I also made the Google Doc public so anyone can edit, but that could lead to abuse. Luis - do you want to assume ownership of the Google doc i created?
- Ric Johnson
Louis - of all the things you do, this is the most important, your 10 to follow on FF has a huge impact, thanks for the spreadsheet.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
awesome way to use the new attachment feature!
- andy brudtkuhl
Great, how about a button that I can press to follow all of these? :)
- Bill Romanos
Bill - see if Ben Golub or Casey Muller can get you that magic button. :)
- Louis Gray
That's it, I'm going to make a badge for my websites "I was recommended by Louis Gray" :)
- Bwana ☠
@bwana - send over a copy - i'll put it on my web site as well. :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
great idea @bwana! I'd use one of those. er, if I was actually blogging lately ...
- Laura Norvig
ditto @bwana. Thanks Louis for re-mixing the old lists. Was wondering about that recent spike in new FFfriends. :) Once again humbled to be included with such an awesome group of FFolks. Now where's my "I was recommended by LG" button/shirt/sticker? :P
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Cool, just opened an Excel file directly from FriendFeed!
- Mike Reynolds
very kool!!! thanks for sharing the excel document
- (jeff)isageek
This is great.
- Tracy Benham
5 Mark's in there. More than any other name. Whoo whoo!
- Mark Krynsky
@Bwana - I want that badge on my blog too!! cool idea :)
- Susan Beebe
its so cool to see an excel spreadsheet being shared like this thru friendfeed!
- Jason Pollock
is there virus detection on the attachment upload; not a comment towards Louis as we know him here but I see this coming...
- Lou Paglia
Louis, What should i do to get featured in your List
- Michael_techie
Louis, I love being on the list, but If you could change my URL to http://friendfeed.com/mikerob..., I would appreciate it. I dropped the 1 at the end of my username six months ago. Thanks:) It's wrong on the website as well.
- Michael Fidler
Michael, I don't think I can change the Excel that is already posted, but I can change it on the Web.
- Louis Gray
Thanks Louis!
- Michael Fidler
I am there! That's awesome. Thanks guys.
- Erhan Erdogan
"I predict a return to blogging as people discover the power of being able to finish a thought" http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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I had thought blogging has been growing steadily, globally. Admittedly I don't have a good chart/stats for it.
- Mark Essel
I really like this statement - but will people return to blogging as we've known it?
- Tony
Are you perhaps over estimating the allure of thinking?
- Todd Hoff
Micro-blogging is good for idealets and infotainment, but it really is turning the web into a mindless medium like TV. Of course, there will always be the equivalent of PBS trying valiantly to raise the bar somewhat. Blogs will always have the possibility of transmitting real knowledge.
- Paul W. Homer
The interesting thing for me is I think we have lost the definition of what a blog is. Everybody jumped up and down about what Steve Rubel did, but really I see his change as a shift of platform. If he posted that same content on wordpress, nobody would have said a word. Just because he did it on posterous and called it a lifestream, people took issue with it. So, what is our definition then?
- Robert
I think Steve still has a weblog, he's just submitting posts to it in a "different" way. Like Dave's link says a weblog is "... a hierarchy of text, images, media objects and data, arranged chronologically, that can be viewed in an HTML browser." Pretty much sums it up, I think. Steve's post is going to generate attention, and debate, but in the end it's a weblog.
- Rob Fahrni
Robert, I know you're asking Dave a question, but I don't think the Posterious way goes against the definition. If I'm not mistaken Radio could post via e-mail, and I know Blogger supports this feature. Maybe I need to dig into Posterious a bit more but isn't that what it does?
- Rob Fahrni
Rob - That is my point. This in my mind is one of the major problems with looking for a "new name" for these social products. We see it as something different because it is called something different. Posterous, from what I can see so far, allows for the writer to interact with their "weblog" in a different way, just as you said...
- Robert
from email
Huh?
- Dave Winer
Dave - I think your "huh?" was towards me... We call Posterous a "life stream", I say it is a blog, that we have given a different name to. That is what I am saying.Rob - I agree with you 100%, and that is my point exactly. I keep reading these post about blogging being dead, or blogging being alive... but those that say they are not "blogging" are still "blogging" Maybe I am not making sense, but I hope I am...
- Robert
from email
Robert - Precisely! I think Posterious is trying to find a why to differentiate their product, so they've coined a new phrase. It's still a weblog, how the data arrives may be different, but it's just a weblog all the same. When I read Steve's story last night, from his new site, I thought I was going to find a link on it to something "new and innovative", then I realized I was AT the actualy site, his "life stream."
- Rob Fahrni
Robert - Right on!
- Rob Fahrni
Blogology is a still too young science, and definitio usually comes when plays are over. What I feel sad for is the lack of opportunity future literature and social behaviour experts will suffer not using post's content ( and graphics ) as sources for studying today's world zeitgeist. Borges prophecy is at work, few understands - too many doesn't even know what they're writing about: a...
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- valerio fiandra
from iPhone
Robert, the photo sharing site you've used recently is structurally a blog too. It differs from normal blog software mainly in that the chronology is by date of occurrence, not date of posting.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
It's funny that this sentence and a few lines from Anthony Trollope's autobiography should have crossed paths in my consciousness on the same day, since it's almost the same idea, thrown back two temporal orders of magnitude. Trollope tells of a correspondent, a vicar, who had enjoyed his clerical novels but was upset by Lady Glencors'a contemplation of adultery in the Pallisers series....
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- Amyloo
This is silly. Blogging isn't defined by the tool, it's defined by who's doing it. Read the piece I pointed to. I don't mean click on the link and hit the Back buttton, click the link and READ.
- Dave Winer
Agreed, Dave. Heck, we blogged back in the day via FTP uploads; that's what moved you towards developing "Edit This Page", in fact (IIRC).
- Ken Kennedy
This subject keeps coming back - blogging will never die.
- Jesse Stay
Before Web 1.0 we listened, conversed, collaborated and then we wrote. Writing was the synthesis of all the thinking that occurred in the first steps. In the new medium, the thinking process is the streams, both personal and community. Blogging is the synthesis of this new kind of community thought process.
- Joolio
Dave - haha! - that is awesome :D
- Susan Beebe
Pity there's no "Really, Really Like" button.
- Chris Baskind
Of course bloggin won't die, but you better have compelling content, because people have little tolerance for long articles.
- Todd Dewell
I think a large percentage of bloggers were really microbloggers, they just didn't have the correct apps to do that. The people that actually have something to say will keep blogging and those that just like to say something small or share something interesting will continue microblogging, or lifestreaming, or whatever variant you want to name it. Blogging is akin to publishing articles...
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- xero
This was known since the times of IRC: you can only have idle chatter or quick focused questions at that speed.
- Michele Costabile
Michele, if that premise is true, then kids only absorb important life-long lessons from their parent(s) when they're sat down for a full length lecture. No? :)
- Micah Wittman
The best food for thought always come in easily digestible chunks, however, sometimes you need to digest some larger/harder stuff to give you the ability to digest that chunk.
- xero
Agreed, well said, Xero.
- Micah Wittman
I thought completing a thought was the beauty of FriendFeed.
- Alan Eggleston
Microblogging is very much a product of the times, very ADD, very video-game-ish; so I agree strongly with the idea of longer.
- Rick Cogley
Just FYI, when I started Scripting News in 1997, it was entirely "microblogging" -- look in the archive. http://www.scripting.com/1997...
- Dave Winer
Dave - I very much appreciate you keeping up this fight. When I heard this past weekend the term "Lifestreaming", and seeing it picking up momentum. No, this has to stop. Twittering is an aside to your thoughts, or a highlight to pull people to your thoughts, if it's you only thoughts, you need put your head below the surface of your lifestream while carrying a big pile of rocks and...
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- Matthew DeVries
LOL, unfortunately, I don't think this problem exists just for blogging :)
- Armando & Cindee Edrosa
from iPhone
This isn't a fight. I love all this stuff. I was just saying what I think.
- Dave Winer
Even calling it a "Lifestream"? That's the creepiest sounding thing in tech, since Steve Balmer was threatening to "Squirt" his music onto my Zune.
- Matthew DeVries
Who really quit blogging? Even the most active lifestream addicts never really quit. For me, the blog is and has always been home. Everything else is somewhat ancillary, even when it's the first place I go. Critical thinking sometimes requires the depth of a written post.
- Ken Camp
Question: Of those of you out there who use posterous, do you use it as a replacement of your blog, a mirror of your blog or something different?
- Curt Mercadante
Ken - Rubel quit blogging.
- Matthew DeVries
One of the things I like about blogging is the ability to not finish a thought, not to try so hard to say all I have to say or say come to any definite conclusion in a single post. The unfinished thought is what encourages conversation. Let someone else add to your thought. Let others challenge your incomplete premise. I don't know everything, why pretend I do? My thoughts are never finished.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Wow, you're right Dave, scripting news was indeed VERY much a microblog. Interesting & thanks for pointing that out!
- Rick Cogley
Just last night, my sister sent out a vague tweet that made no sense to me out of context: http://twitter.com/awarnoc... So I suggested she blog about the topic so that readers like me would understand the context. http://twitter.com/awarnoc... http://zelzega.blogspot.com/2009...
- Peter Warnock
Just because you can finish a thought, doesn't mean people will read it.
- Will Higgins™
Tell me about it. That happened earlier in this very thread. But at least you ca read it yourself.
- Dave Winer
Just as your diary became your journal and then your log, your log has become your stream. The web has become your life..... AND SO IT WAS, that in the year naught-nine, the web-log was renamed to life-stream, dissected, and it's pieces scattered about the hundreds of "cloud" services, from which it could fall as raindrops of thought, pinging here and there in an attempt to spread ideas to where they were needed the most.
- Joel Bennett
No time to read it. Can you give us the gist of it in 140 characters or less? Thanks.
- Diego Barros
Here's a picture, even easier than 140 chars. http://tr.im/qrBb
- Dave Winer
Haha, love it!
- Rick Cogley
Love the idea!
- Sampad Swain
Come on, Dave. Where's your sense of humor?
- Diego Barros
Where's yours?
- Dave Winer
If you were joking, that's cool. I can take it. :) (I was joking, honest)
- Diego Barros
Me too. :-)
- Dave Winer
Blogging is still the platform of choice for sharing a clear/uninterrupted flow of thoughts from a single perspective. Then comments rapidly add value to the original post's material (most of the time). We're witnessing the link power of blogging decline because that functionality (which is monetizable) is moving to social media. We are left with the question, how best should bloggers monetize if they're losing link passing strength? I'm working that issue now by frankensteining several parts together
- Mark Essel
Personalized/Customized ads based on public user status. Semantic tools (via API), memory (local user profile database), and the passing of information to an ad aggregator will help produce custom (dynamic web matched) advertisements. It should serve all parties involved (social media, bloggers/front ends, semantic processing houses, and advertising aggregators).
- Mark Essel
What do you mean, I have always been able to finish a ... ooh a nice shiny object...
- Marcel de Jong
Isn't it ironic that this post contained a clear and concise thesis, in under 140 characters?
- Mike Chelen
Good point Mike...
- Mark Harai
There's NOTHING wrong with brevity. There is a time and a place for discussion and lengthy discourse.
- Will Higgins™
Mike Chelen - "a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning ... the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning." - Nope, not ironic
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew DeVries: that covers definitions 1 and 2, yet the 3rd is an "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result," where in this case the expected result was to explain how new platforms prevent thoughts from being finished, and the actual result was to the contrary :D
- Mike Chelen
If you say so. I never saw that definition, but I have no reason to doubt you, or motivation to find the source myself, so, I'll allow it.
- Matthew DeVries
aren't we all copying from the same online dictionary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction...
- Mike Chelen
No, I rattled mine out of something I memorized years ago.
- Matthew DeVries
wow, you got it perfectly word-for-word, remind me to pick you for my crossword puzzle team :)
- Mike Chelen
Every day I want to learn something new about the Now/New/2010/3.0 Web. Let's learn about microformats today here:
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http://microformats.org/ is the home page.
- Robert Scoble
Who has a great example of using microformats?
- Robert Scoble
Google search for Microformats: http://www.google.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
So far the biggest problem with microformats is that most companies only offer 1 way support. They provide one for you, but don't take yours from elsewhere. Details: http://www.dotcult.com/who-sup...
- Ryan Jones
I'd love to have someone on Building43 to explain them. Anyone game?
- Robert Scoble
The Operator Firefox plugin was very useful for testing microformats. Hcard is useful when available.
- Jauder Ho
cork'd is a great example of hreview - we have building them into sites for about two years now
- Pat Strader
I would nominate @kevinmarks for this assignment given his work on RichSnippets
- Dilip Dand
FriendFeed uses the rel="me" microformat on the services page (e.g. http://friendfeed.com/paul...) to tag links to my other services. The Google Social Graph API uses these links to find you around the web.
- Paul Buchheit
i wrote a recent introduction if anyone is interested i can share, but do not wish to link drop
- Pat Strader
Pat: please do share!
- Robert Scoble
I'm interested pat
- courtney benson
it is very basic http://matterhornmarketing.com/marketi...
- Pat Strader
Pat, thanks, it will help I'm sure.
- courtney benson
Google Profiles also uses this to guess links that belong to you.
- Jauder Ho
we build in hcard primarily as we deal with a great deal of tourism "directory" type sites
- Pat Strader
I'd love to have Tantek or Kevin on Building43 to explain microformats and show how to use them.
- Robert Scoble
i made some moo stickers if anyone wants some, let me know, microformats stickers have been hard to find for me!
- Pat Strader
Thanks Pat! Basic or not it is more than I knew 5 minutes ago!
- Marshall Huwe
dan cederholm used them years ago with cork'd - hreview
- Pat Strader
Pat - problem with that URL please resend tks
- courtney benson
marshall no problem, im very excited about them, just needs more evangelists
- Pat Strader
Scoble, besides Building43 ;) What is a great website to keep on top of the 2010 Web? Are there any web resources that you're particularly fond of? My favorites are Mashable, Read Write Web, and TechCrunch.
- Sam Houston
courtney - try this http://snip.li/bc13f8
- Pat Strader
tks, I'll try now
- courtney benson
Sam: Stack Overflow, but that's more aimed at programmers. Hacker News. And then there's a ton of people I follow. I put the best ones at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Cool, thanks Robert! :)
- Sam Houston
If someone wants to set up a local (SV) meetup, I'd be there. Trying to digest as much as I can since format adoption appears inevitable.
- Rick Bucich
Calais 2.0 showing some potential ... Calais 2.0 unveiled by Thomson Reuters http://blogs.zdnet.com/semanti...
- Willi Schroll
here's something about iPhone you may not have thought of:http://patriciahandschiegel.tumblr.com/post...
- Patricia
i think with google now saying they will use them in some capacity will increase the adoption rate for developers
- Pat Strader
Rick, Tantek had a #microformats meetup going for a while. Check out the microformats site.
- Jauder Ho
Brian Suda's book is a good read for those so inclined
- Pat Strader
Pat, you've given me enough info to be dangerous. As a sales and mkt person that has a lot of potential for "true geektacular"
- courtney benson
courtney great, glad you got something from it
- Pat Strader
its pretty exciting stuff
- Pat Strader
if you want a couple sheets of the moostickers, just let me know...i printed 900 for blogpotomac, but they didnt arrive in time to take them....
- Pat Strader
if only eventful etc crawled for hcalendar...
- Pat Strader
Thanks Jauder!
- Rick Bucich
The question I have about microformats is "how do you know you need them?" I know when I need to use DIV's or when I need some JavaScript but I'm still not along to the place where I know all the places I need microformats.
- Robert Scoble
I'd rather see HTML change to be separated into a set of semantic elements and organizational elements, then CSS adapt to work better with that separation, way more than I'd like to see microformats try and do this same thing through hackery of CSS.
- xero
robert i simply started wrapping any address, or review or event as a part of workflow
- Pat Strader
I'd love to come and explain microformats for your audience, Robert
- Kevin Marks
There's the 4th Birthday party this Friday - http://microformats.org/wiki... maybe Robert could do a video or 2 from there.
- Debi Jones
Kevin, I see you're attending the July 18 event http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event... anything sooner?
- Rick Bucich
the point of microformats is to give common ways for people to express things on the web that are used a lot, like addresses, reviews, tags and events. They do this using standard HTML.
- Kevin Marks
that would be a great event
- Pat Strader
Robert, we can chat about them at the SFAMA meetin on thursday - I think it fits into the panel's cope too.
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: yeah, let's do that. I'd love to take advantage of your free time before you get totally crazy busy with some hot startup.
- Robert Scoble
I loved melody piece on su.pr. And I've been using it all day
- Zachary Adam Cohen
How would someone find out who has adopted the format? i.e. review sites using hReview. I know of Yelp but also notice that Insiderpages is being pulled into Google & Yahoo Local.
- Rick Bucich
rick thats a great question, i have tried to find out who might be looking for them myself
- Pat Strader
Rick, Pat use the Operator plugin.
- Jauder Ho
yes, i have it use it quite a bit, i was trying to find places that might be going out and looking for them, not necessarily implementing
- Pat Strader
i use both operator and tails plugins are there others?
- Pat Strader
It doesn't appear that Operator supports hReview, am I correct? I'll check out Tails
- Rick Bucich
What is something simple I can do to incorporate microformats into my blog?
- Robert Scoble
start using them?
- Tyler Gillies
This guy seems to be exceptionally authoritative on microformats or "microstructures" as he calls them: @luebken on Twitter and his blog, http://leubken.com, has a great post on "Overview of microstructures in use".
- Mike Elliott
the simplest thing to do, Robert, would be to make your contact info in the sidebar into an hCard; you're already mostly supporting hAtom from your template
- Kevin Marks
Is this like one of those CGI voting scripts on a website? A widget? You could make it be reviews of each of your videos, Robert. Why put up contact info to the masses? Reviews makes sense.
- Prokofy Neva
I have not looked much at hReview but this shows a hcard mockup (do view source) http://bit.ly/1vfp3i You should be able to use this right away after substituting your info. I did notice that Google does extract this into their excerpt for search results.
- Jauder Ho
another example site is linkedin using hresume http://steve.ganz.name/blog... and there is a wordpress plugin http://wordpress.org/extend... (not sure what platform is needed)
- Mike Chelen
A List Apart blog just posted a good article about RDFa, which you could use for semantic markup when a microformat isn't necessary or doesn't exist: http://www.alistapart.com/article...
- Chip Ramsey
The future of microformats: the direction I think it should take: https://friendfeed.com/search... Ultra-minimal; minimum tag clutter.
- Sean McBride
Robert, Kevin, please hook up with @marksilva before Thursday to discuss SFAMA panel. @scobleizer @kevinmarks
- Mark Evans
Wow, huge news: Xbox 360 to start selling full game titles via download. This E3 marks the beginning of the end for games on physical media.
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Sony's doing the same with the PSP Go anyways. It only really gets rid of UMD discs though. As for the PS3, I don't think I'd want to be sitting there waiting for a Blu-ray disc to finish downloading before I can play game.
- John Wang
What do you mean John, Sony already sells full games on PSN. Most games aren't anywhere near 50GB
- Richard Lawler
Richard, as far as I've been led to believe, the PSN games like PixelJunk Monsters, Eden, etc Fl0w Flower, and others are much much smaller in size when compared to games like Street Fighter 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, and other games on Blu-ray discs. Waiting for something of 10+ GB to download before playing instead of putting in a disc can be painful. Not even sure how ridiculously large Square-Enix's Final Fantasy 13 will be if it ever comes out.
- John Wang
even now, downloading some Demos take quite a while, the ones that are over 1 GB or so, may take 20-30min or longer to download. I would much rather pay for the actual media to be able to play right away. Of course, that's a completely different story if you're ordering the game online and have to wait for it to ship out from some warehouse.
- John Wang
John - There are full retail disc games on PSN. Burnout Paradise is one of them. How big do you think Street Fighter 4 is? It shipped on Xbox 360 on one disc, that should tell you.
- Richard Lawler
interesting. wonder how long that takes to download. apparently it's around a DVD size to download. SIREN is supposedly a 9GB download. That's quit a few hours to download.
- John Wang
Lord, I hope that is not true. With bandwidth caps and large games and content, I'll take the physical media ANYTIME. Plus, there is something nice about going into a real store and looking at the products. Sure, an occasional download is cool, but I still prefer the old fashioned way of getting my games and other software.
- George Gray
Getting hassled about if I want to buy trade ins or preorders or finding out that the game is sold out is not my idea of something nice. Download only for full games is still not just around the corner, but I'll be pretty happy when it is, having it as an option is sweet. Now, i wish the pricing took into account the lack of a retail box or presence (it doesn't) and that you could use standard hard drives on the xbox 360 easily for starters, but we're still early in the game.
- Richard Lawler
Don't get me wrong Richard. I think it's definitely a great idea and I'm most definitely looking forward to it. I'm just not looking forward to super long download times that can clog up bandwidth quickly. If anything, I'm just hoping the Cable networks getting moving on putting in faster networks.
- John Wang
This is great, do you know which countries it will be available in?
- Jim Gaudet
This was coming soon enough. Gaming companies can make even more profits if they can bypass physical media.
- Rubin
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...very funny!
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OMG... I resemble that remark!
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I think the average person feels the need to think that other people actually care whether they exist or not... some feel this need more than others... it isn't "I think, therefore I am", it is "you read my tweet, you know I am"
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yep, that's what my dog says every time I take him for his walk and he's reading his p-mail. lol
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