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- Mitchell Tsai
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Anyone have their AAA card with them? Uh, and a cellphone with... ANY bars?
- Akiva Moskovitz
oooooo noooooo
- johnpiercy
Can you hear me now? PLEASE TELL ME YOU CAN HEAR ME NOW!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I can has touristburgerz?
- Mattb4rd
<scooby voice> ruh roh! </scooby voice>
- Anthony Citrano
+1 Mattb4rd love it...
- Mitchell Tsai
Maybe they're trying to help. "Alright, together now, guys - PUSH!"
- Nathaniel Payne
The comments are almost as good as the photo. ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Oh. My. God...
- AJ Batac
Matt: I think the comments are better than the photo.
- Mitchell Tsai
I smell dinner!
- Jack Wilson
So far Anthony has my vote for best comment. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Those lions remind me of my in-laws. Always on the prowl when in the middle of a bad/embarrassing situation.
- Mo Kargas
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- Jack Wilson
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- Jack Wilson
Dear Internets: Mona is getting some Vita D. Be back in a few days. Don't miss me too much ;) Sincerely, Your neighborhood ex-Agoraphobic
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First she quits smoking, then she quits the internet... Enjoy your sunshine!
- Bjorn Stromberg
Noooooooooooo! Come back! FriendFeed SUCKS w/o you!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I was wondering where you were. Have a good time!
- Yolanda
Enjoy yourself, Mona. Enjoy your vacation from us ;)
- Michael W. May
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Have fun Mona! I'll miss you!
- Michelle Marie Miller
Have fun and let me know what the "outside" looks like, I haven't been there in a while.
- Michelle Martinez
*sobs into hands*
- Geoff Schultz
PS don't do it, there's bears out there!
- Geoff Schultz
<blink....blink...blink....blink...> so, what's on TV?
- Josh Haley
you GO girl!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Enjoy life!
- Mitchell Tsai
/wave have fun Mona!
- Jack Wilson
Drink some damned Sunny D and get back to FriendFeed. You're not fooling anyone.
- Akiva Moskovitz
If mona doesn't hurry up and post some bacon pics I'm gonna go through withdrawal...
- Tad
come on, there is nothing interesting "out there" ... you will see, you'll be back. ;)
- Tim Hoeck
Mona, my FF inflow decreased dramatically without you and I dont like it. But, enjoy yourself!!
- Hayk H.
NOOOOOOO! Be back soon :)
- Michael Forian
so that's why friendfeed is so boring this morning, have fun Mona
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
...i'm having withdrawls =|
- Mona Nomura
Mona, how was the outside? Was it everything you had hoped?
- Michelle Martinez
Mona, was the sun as good as you think it was?
- imabonehead
I was having Mona-withdrawals... ;-)
- Bren -- Making Contact
I only hads to get to page 7 to find out "Where in the world is Mona?" ;-) Enjoy the vacation!
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Well that solves that mystery ... now get back here young lady ... NOW :)
- Charlie Anzman
ahhh... been wondering where she was!! And look, her weekly comment count is down to 265... that's totally unheard of! How will we all make it through without our baconLOLs??
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
From the page: "Repeat after me: "The Great Firewall is only one small part of Chinese Internet censorship."
- Jack Wilson
RConversation: Censorship Foreigners Dont See - Stuff that didnt fit in my Op-Ed - http://www.stumbleupon.com/demo...
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From the page: "Repeat after me: "The Great Firewall is only one small part of Chinese Internet censorship."
- Jack Wilson
The Long Term Impacts of Online Critics on Personal Brands - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
This post is not about Thomas vs Simon B, but instead about the long term online impacts to personal and corporate brands.
- Jack Wilson
Yahoo reportedly settled on Icahn directors - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
That's an interesting development. Icahn plus 2 and 5% of Yahoo shares. What does he want with company?
- ka3drr
he was trying to force some of the board out from what I have been reading because they did not take an offer I believe....they compromised on this to keep from wiping the board and Jerry Yang still gets to be CEO
- Jack Wilson
still no statement from SF MOMA re: Thomas Hawk. Are they just wishing it will go away?
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what bloggers say doesn't matter. Only what the New York Times says matters. Imagine they kicked out an NYT journalist. Would that guy still have his job? No.
- Robert Scoble
they did change their web sites to reflect new camera policies.. so they are building up a strategy ! - http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Peter Dawson
Scoble, definitely no
- Duncan Riley
at the pace of 'internet memory', it's already gone, isn't it?
- Jeremy Toeman
Peter (and Justin), good catch on the update of the policy. Mona previously noted that two PR people at SF MoMA said a statement was forthcoming.
- Ontario Emperor
Robert - Bloggers are breaking stories almost half a day before most of the mainstream. I can think of at least 4 stories in the past two weeks that started on blogs and then hit the International press (There are a few exceptions). It's the perception of who'd reading it that really matters. That's certain to change over time.
- Charlie Anzman
Mona has been following up the with SFMOMA to see when/if there will be a statment: http://pixelbits.wordpress.com/2008...
- Justin Korn
@Scoble I call bullshit. High profile journalists have been kicked out of plenty of places and it's always a much bigger story to them than it is to anyone else. SFMOMA probably isn't going to say anything because they don't want to say "He was kicked out because one of our employees felt he was a perv, then he got argumentative".
- Jason Carreira
Justin, saw that, but that was also yesterday. Another day and still silence
- Duncan Riley
they are still reading my post, so I'm not sure if something's coming. Hours and hours spent, i tell you. last long visit as of 5 PM today. http://reechard.vox.com/library...
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I don't mean hours spent reading my post, more like using at as jumping off point to the other conversations. FYI :-)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
@Scoble Agreed. Had it been a mainstream publication, it would have garnered a lot more attention, even though bloggers broke the story first. Interesting how they changed their policy.
- Jack Wilson
Wondering if anyone, TH or other has attempted to interest the main stream media with this story? I have not heard a peep about any such action. So either no one has, or the mainstream is not interested. There are also several high profile consumer action groups in the Bay Area that would most likely look into this issue.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Had it been a mainstream publication, the photographer would have acted like a professional photographer.
- Cyndy
Cyndy, my guess is that they would have still raised hell, but in a different manner, and probably not on the spot.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff, the first thing you are taught in journalism is to document the story, not BECOME the story. Swapping out lenses, taking pictures as someone is talking to you, etc. is all contrary to basic journalism 101. There would be no story. Raise hell? Probably, but totally under the radar.
- Cyndy
Cyndy, can you distingush between the two,please. How does a professional photographer act vs a non professional photographer ?? in so much as they are both people and have human reactions. take time to reflect before you give an answer. I have collateral available (on hand) as rebuttal.
- Peter Dawson
@Peter, the only rebuttal needed is "Thomas"'s history of run ins. He likes being the story.
- Jason Carreira
@Jason, sorry TH is not the topic of discussion. If you have anything to add to my specific question, please feel free to comment. Else your injection of OT shit will be treated as BS. Please respect my question. Nowhere am I speaking of an individual.
- Peter Dawson
TH is the story. He made it that way, as is his want. If you don't get that you haven't been following TH's exploits very long.
- Jason Carreira
Peter, show me where any photographer is supposed to BECOME a story instead of document one. We are discussing photography, not performance art, aren't we? Because if we are discussing photography AS performance art, then by all means, I'm sure you have collateral available.
- Cyndy
Bet they haven't seen it
- Francine Hardaway
Cynd.. yes he (kevin) become the story.. as a professional blogger/ professional photographer after he he cut the Devils Dogs 301 letter. So for telling the truth he become the story. <http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b...> So lets see, what is the core traits that differentiate a professional photographer act vs a non professional photographer ? is it telling story the best way they can ? not telling the truth ? or what -- please quantify and 4get TH
- Peter Dawson
Here's the old policy at SFMoMA as it appeared on Aug 6, 2008 21:06:59 GMT: "Photography is not permitted in the galleries. Flash photography is permitted only with a handheld camera in the Atrium." http://209.85.173.104/search... Here's their new policy:...
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- Christopher Harley
"There are people in our own country who would weaken your institution and our nation by telling you it's OK to betray our guiding principles by not making the tough decisions, by letting difficult circumstances turns us into victims or worse, villains."
- Peter Dawson
We are reading the same story, right? "But I have never in my career been a "gotcha" reporter hoping for people to commit wrongdoings so that I can catch them." and "Anyone who has seen my reporting on television or read my dispatches is aware of the lengths to which I've gone to play it straight down the middle" are right in the first two paragraphs. He was documenting a story and was shocked in people calling him out. He didn't create the story. He didn't put himself in the story. And he was shocked.
- Cyndy
@cyndy, why are you side stepping my question ?? just tell me what is differentiator between a professional photographer act vs a non professional photographer act ? just keep it simple and in plain english.
- Peter Dawson
professionalism
- Jason Carreira
Peter, perhaps *I'm* dodging the question, but based on MoMA's rewrite, I don't think they want professional photographers to come there - unless they're exhibiting.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
I'm not sidestepping it. I already stated that a professional photographer never tries to BE the story. The article you referenced as proof of the opposite corroborates my take on it. This photographer is only talking about what he documented after being forced into the story. Did he involve himself in the story as it was unfolding? No. Did he at any point ask for attention for himself in this? No. If that isn't plain enough, I don't know how else to explain it.
- Cyndy
Duncan glad to see you stand up for people and use Social Media for advocacy! The real power of Social Media! Respect!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Robert Scoble what we as Bloggers "standing together" say does matter! When we stand together we are not "anonymous" but more powerful than Mass Media!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Am I missing something? What does this issue have anything to do with being either a professional photographer or a professional journalist? What I see is citizen TH was taking photos in a place that allowed photos, and even verified it with management before hand. He got accused of doing something he says he was not doing and stuck up for his rights, got kicked out anyway. He then wrote about the incident, telling his side of the story. Why does it matter that he was or wasn't the story?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Leather I'm very aware that only one side of the story has been told. No one can say if HT handled this correctly until we hear the other side. Simon and SF MOMA have had ample time to provide their side, but have chosen not to. That is not TH's or anyone elses fault but theirs. I don't think my last post was necessarily defending TH, just trying to understand why it mattered that TH is a blogger, photographer or just joe citizen based on the conversation above.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Actually, SF MoMA pretty much accused Hawk of behaving "in an inappropriate and harassing manner." http://www.sfmoma.org/press...
- Ontario Emperor
Techdirt: California The Latest To Try To Outlaw Cyberbullying: Send A Mean Txt, Get Kicked Out Of School - http://techdirt.com/article...
California The Latest To Try To Outlaw Cyberbullying: Send A Mean Txt, Get Kicked Out Of School
- Jack Wilson
Digital drugs: a new worry for parents - Columns from The Kim Komando Radio Show® & Web site - http://www.komando.com/columns...
Digital drugs??? Kim does not cite any official studies on this ....
- Jack Wilson
Hey, thanks @k4sac for submitting my article to digg. Yo, people with digg accounts, show some love ;) --http://is.gd/1mTa
No problem!
- Jack Wilson
No Offence Thomas Hawk But You’re Coming Late To The Party - http://www.winextra.com/2008...
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Always the voice of common sense.
- Pete Gilbert
thanks Peter
- Steven Hodson
it's usually a case of "not my problem" until it affects them. then it becomes an issue. i'm no different though, but the photography restrictions in many places throughout ny including and especially public places has been a very disturbing trend since 9/11. security vs liberties or at least that's how the powers that be would like us to believe
- Cee Bee
Steven, I just took a deep dive into your feed to see all the "photography is not a crime" stories I missed the first time around. And you're right - people get slammed to the ground, arrested, jailed, and convicted, and most of us (me included) ignore it. One person is asked to leave a building, and it becomes a Federal case. Perhaps SF MOMA can sponsor an exhibition of the work of Carlos Miller and the others, and everybody will be happy.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
which if you consider the number of bloggers and people here on FriendFeed who are either ardent amateur photographers or professional it is so surprising that this kind of thing takes such a back seat unbl it is someone like Thomas who yells louad enough at being wronged. Now to give Thomas credit he also has talked with Carlos Miller in the past and tried to write about it but we can see how far that got the injustices being done into the public eye let alone the tech blogosphere's attention span.
- Steven Hodson
I still blame Mona for the wave of interest
- mjc
Steve: I missed your previous posts and wish I hadn't. I think they are great and appreciate you taking the time and effort to bring the the topic to light. I follow Carlos Miller's blog as well and really don't like the trend we are seeing in regards to photographers and our rights. For me, FriendFeed and blogging (which I recently started) has helped me make my voice heard for what I believe in. Previously, I would read a story in the paper or online and not have any outlet or way to share it.
- Justin Korn
...However, on another note, I don't agree with the title of your post here since it sounds like you are targeting Thomas Hawk as opposed to the underlying issue you are trying to address.
- Justin Korn
Indeed, I missed your July post. However, "late to the party" I feel is inaccurate. Thomas Hawk wrote in the first person, and that of course is the best way to justify attention-grabbing rhetoric. In the end, many things conspired to make this story "pop." Don't feel bad, Steve! P.S. I like your moxie!
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
to a point Justin you might be right *BUT* I can tell you this if I hadn't used that headline tyou can bet the post would have gone unnoticed as every post about this issue had before it - having to use that headline achieved two things - it got attention to a serious matter and it salso proves my point at the same time.
- Steven Hodson
Steve: You have a point :)
- Justin Korn
I wrote about this on my blog as well. Last year though, and before I was doing the FF thing. Harder to get it noticed if it's not one of the echo chamber that it happens too. You article is definitely correct about that.
- Todd Jordan
thanks to whoever Stumbled this post
- Steven Hodson
@Todd - the Broad Brush - subscribed
- Steven Hodson
@Steven, This issue is not new to the tech Bolg sphere. If you follow Thomas, it has happened to him many times and he has been blogging about it for years. I see posts almost weekly from Thomas as well as several other photographer-tech bloggers about this sort of injustice all over the world. I agree that it sucks, and should not happen. I think it is good that so much noise has been made about this particular incident as it will shed light on others and bring them to the public's attention.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Nod. :)
- Todd Jordan
@Jeff - Steven's article really highlights the ongoing problem. It's sad though that we only get riled up when Thomas speaks about it. That said, I'm familiar with Thomas having run ins; he's not been silent. I've run into this problem as well personally. The real issue is that we should rally around photographers whether they are part of our soc network or not.
- Todd Jordan
Steven, good to see another perspective on the issue. Of course as you so eloquently pointed out, the situation is hardly unique to Thomas Hawke. Photographers have been accosted, arrested, and threatened just for the simple act of taking a photograph. I'm sorry your posts didn't generate the buzz that Hawke's did, but the bottom line is that we are bringing light to the situation and that's a good thing.
- Jack Wilson
Bravos, Steven. Dugg it.
- Dave Martin
@Dave thanks :)
- Steven Hodson
I'm reading past the catchy headline. We have entered a new kind of fascism already. Unlike the mechanistic and structured kind of fascism of the 20th Century, this one is a more decentralized process. Today's fascism depends heavily on the ignorance, silence and distraction of populations. Most people who rave about iPhones probably don't care about their rights as photographers. Ironically, this new fascism will soon subsume the very trinkets which FASCinate the tech-o-sphere. We are all late.
- phil baumann
It all goes back to the rights of an individual vs. the rights of a group vs. the rights of an authority who speaks for the group. In some cultures that honor the group more than the individual, there wouldn't be a discussion; the Hawks and Millers of the world wouldn't have a "right" to do these things. However, people in California, Florida, and Tennessee presumably have these rights.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Last night I dreamt I twittered the following "do all colleges have a 'college hill'?"
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Have you ever twittered in your dreams?
- Leo Laporte
Not yet, but if I did, it could be scary if i encounter a FailWhale
- imabonehead
Do you mean dream about twittering... or actually sleep-twittering?
- Michael Markman
from twhirl
I once read tweets in a dream, nothing special happened though (not regarding the tweets anyway)
- Christian Leonard Quale
from twhirl
Not twittered, but have blogged in my dreams LOL
- Jack Wilson
this life is a dream. so my answer is, yes :)
- ~C4Chaos
I dreamt I replied "yes"
- Kevin Johnson
from twhirl
There's a sci fi book title in there somewhere
- Francis P Bonnemere
I've read feeds in my dreams and also received comments on previous posts, only to see them not there in the morning.
- Louis Gray
Once I had a scary dream. All the websites which I was trying to visit were showing "fail whale". Luckily it was just a dream :)
- Sudar
i dreamt of an extremely flat college
- Pierre Houston
I was dreaming about Leo dreaming that he was dreaming and in the dream Twitter decided to change it's Logo to better represent the massive hoard of twitter'rs we are.
- Ernie Foss
from twhirl
I've coded HTML and PHP in my dreams before!
- Daynah
In my dreams, I often speak perfect Spanish. Que bueno!
- Veronica
I still think a dream twitter would reveal some interesting syncronicity
- Mot Faerin
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - http://www.inquisitr.com/2281...
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Thanks Duncan.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, you're in the right on this one, so no probs at all. Hopefully what has happened sparks some deeper discussion about how copyright and privacy have gone to far as well. How have we moved to this state of fear today?
- Duncan Riley
Steven Hodson rightly points out that Thomas Hawk is not the only one who has run afoul of authorities. One common thread in all of these incidents is an accusation that the photographic device is being used for some scary purpose - as a laser pointer, to take upskirt photos etc. This is then followed by silence from the accuser.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Saying Thomas is wrong simply for using the word asshole is dangerously myopic in the context of the battle for our personal liberty.
- Morgan
There's 2 issues here: being in the right in the museum and being in the right in how to deal with being in the right in the museum. "Thomas" was probably right in the museum, but 100% wrong in the reaction and in calling out someone by name to then be harassed. Also, if you're going to call someone an asshole by name in public, man up and do it with your real name.
- Jason Carreira
@jason - in reading the original post nowhere does "Thomas" remotely suggest any type of boycott, protest, or harassment against Blint/ MOMA. He doesn't ask anyone to support his cause, he simply tells his side of the story. In a world where "ass" "bitch" and other explicatives are routinely carried across drive-time airwaves, choosing "asshole" as a descriptor comes down more to a question of taste than a question of right vs. wrong. And it's hardly on the same level as the erosion of personal freedoms
- Morgan
@Morgan, I have a longer history reading "Thomas"'s rants and diatribes. This is not an isolated incident, but rather a pattern, and one that has included calls for public mob action in the past, so "Thomas" has a feeling for how these things will play out. If I wanted to watch soap operas, I would.
- Jason Carreira
@Jason - Thomas legally (by nature of his job) can not blog or participate online with his real name, however, if he could, I'm sure he would.
- Justin Korn
Jason, please oh please tell us how you would have dealt with the situation. I am intrested in your stragery for dealing with this individual and how you would achieve effective change at SFMOMA, or indeed other places where photography is a crime, without using publicity. I want to know how you would defend everyone's constitutional rights by only making a whisper and how effective that would be. Throwing stones is fine but balls out yourself son.
- Johnny Worthington
@John you're right, it's all a coincidence and "Thomas" is just a magical lightning rod for injustice.
- Jason Carreira
No, it's that Thomas is just one of the tallest lighting rods that everyone can see from the ground... still haven't given me your solution yet...
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas' words might have carried more credibility had he not used the expletive, but that does not in any way diminish the treatment he recieved. The bottom line is that the museum had a stated public policy on photography and Mr. Blint was in the wrong.
- Jack Wilson
Jack, indeed. And since he acted as an individual, outside of the SFMOMA policy, he is right for a calling out.
- Johnny Worthington
I think that what Thomas did was great. However, I think he should have been a little more careful about what he posted and his seemingly knee-jerk response. The Museum deserves everything they get though for the simple fact that they allow photography specifically where Thomas was taking photos and that he went out of his way to verify this and even became a member for this single fact. I would like to hear the Museum's side of the story and the PR people should respond as soon as possible.
- Brandon Titus
Kudos, Duncan. Dugg it.
- Dave Martin
Well done Duncan
- Charlie Anzman
SF MOMA is not a public facility. It is a private facility. And at the end of all this, what does anyone really think is going to happen? Are they going to prostrate themselves at everyone's feet begging for forgiveness? Or are they going to back to banning all photography in the facility simply because it's easier than dealing with this PR nightmare? Sometimes, all tht's necessary for the triumph of evil is for zealots to push too far.
- Cyndy
@Cyndy. Just saying, museums are considered public places without regard to any proper legal standing. This should end with the institution affirming their posted permissions and taking whatever internal action they feel appropriate to prevent their policy being violated by their own hired help. In the least the employee might be placed on double-secret probation and become interested in seeking his fortune in a venture more attuned to his special gifts. May I suggest something in the penal system.
- Dave Martin
We have a similar situation in DC with Union Station, a public building operated by a private company. IMHO, Employee (E) was out of line. Written communication between Thomas (T) and Museum (M) confirm photos OK. T takes photos. For any number of reasons, E throws him out, despite institution (M) having granted permission. Private property or no, a policy is a policy. That T is member might mean M in breach of contract, not to mention unlawful arrest (even for guards) and if they touched him, assault.
- Andrew Feinberg
Cyndy, if it was a private company I'd have still made the same call, but the fact that there was at least some public funding to me should make it more accountable. As much as there is a broader debate on photography/ copyright privacy, take that aside and his treatment alone was appalling. No body likes goons throwing their weight around in a civil society, full stop.
- Duncan Riley
Sean, that's just it. As Jason points out, this isn't the first time. And yet I've known professional photographers as well as amateur photographers who've never had the same situations happen. There is a polite and professional way to handle things that wasn't this. And if it results in no photography allowed at all there, who wins?
- Cyndy
Cyndy, so what you are saying is that I shouldn't vigourusly stand up for my rights because there is a chance that others could fight back and possible take away more of my rights?
- Johnny Worthington
So the Internet has etched his name in stone for a bad day? John, what I'm saying is that there is a way to go about it without being a jerk in return. After the ludicrous amount of attention this has gotten, does anyone really think that SF MOMA will respond in a nice way? A pound of flesh has been demanded, and that's going to put them on the defensive.
- Cyndy
So far it comes down to one guy going off the rez. What owner of any business would not want to hear about an employee treating a customer badly. Getting this story out there amounts to a public service. Boil it down. What happened here was an employee violated a posted policy and did so acting in a rude and inappropriate manner. What's important is what happens next. Stay tuned.
- Dave Martin
@John, I think the point is there's ways to do things without being inappropriate. I've been harassed by security guards at the back of Federal buildings and across the street from secure military contractor sites when taking photos. In neither case was I detained or escorted from the premises. There's ways of talking to people and then there's ways of confronting people. If you don't get the response you feel you should, take it up with management later.
- Jason Carreira
Causing a confrontation and then publicly calling out a person and institution is more likely to get a negative, defensive reaction, rather than a thoughtful response that might improve the situation. Being rude and belligerent only reflects poorly on photographers.
- Jason Carreira
Jason, I too have been confronted many times with security gaurds and parents. I often took the action you suggested where I left and took it up with higher authorities later... but I have since stopped that. Why? Because by not standing up for my rights, I am reenforcing to those people that their actions are just and that what I am doing is wrong. And it also allows this to happen to others. I refuse to be made to feel like a pedofile or a threat when I am exercising my right to produce and express my art
- Johnny Worthington
I didn't say to say nothing, but to be polite and informative of how public photography is ok, but when faced with someone who is not going to accept that, why continue to argue? They're not going to change their mind, and you're only going to hurt your case.
- Jason Carreira
Here's a hypothetical scenario for you.... let's say a celebrity goes to SFMOMA and everyone breaks out Canon 5D's and (with no flash) starts taking pictures of the celebrity. The celebrity is going to be unable to enjoy the works of art. While the photographers are technically not breaking any rules, if they are somehow interfering with other patrons enjoyment, what should the management do? I'm sure someone complained to management about "Thomas" so what were they to do?
- Jason Carreira
@Brian, I don't hate "Thomas", but I'm tired of the bullshit. It's not helpful to the cause. I'm tired of the martyrdom. I'm tired of the blind mob mentality rallying to the attack and not questioning. I also think it's incredibly cowardly to defame a person's reputation publicly from behind a psuedonym. I doubt "Thomas" would have used that language to a person's face, so doing it from behind a keyboard stinks.
- Jason Carreira
But your scenario glosses over the fact that Canon 5D's are allowed in the SFMOMA according to thier guidelines, no charges of annoyance was conveyed to TH by Blint. If your 'celebrity' was to make a complaint, and that was conveyed as the reason for asking you to leave then yes but making a blanket ban cause someone would get offened is over kill. Plus the policy applies to the Attrium... I beleive this is a meeting space rather than the gallery 'proper'
- Johnny Worthington
You assume no-one complained. I'd bet someone did.
- Jason Carreira
If they did complain then that should have been conveyed to TH as the reason for his ejection. He was ejected because 'this type of photography is not allowed (DSLR)' and 'Blint suggested TH was taking photos down people's tops'.
- Johnny Worthington
So rights are only for some people. Interesting world you live in.
- Jason Carreira
Jason: you then work with your customers to solve the problem. If you have someone who wants privacy then you find a way to serve them. For instance, you could make one hour a day camera free. Celebrities often get private viewings, for instance. But if you have a policy that says that cameras are OK you can't change that because of complaints on the spot. Many museums allow photos, including the Louvre in Paris.
- Robert Scoble
@John, I'm sure it's that 2nd reason that was the reason for the complaint. Right or wrong I bet another SFMOMA visitor felt uncomfortable.
- Jason Carreira
Nice bait, not gonna take it though... The celebs is a red herring. Any one who has a complaint about another persons behaviour should be able to report it and the person should be given an oppertunity to hear the accusations, with a right of reply, before being ejected.
- Johnny Worthington
@Robert, I'm sure they're reviewing their policies. Hopefully it won't end with a no photography rule, but if it does, I'd put some of the blame on Hawk's shoulders.
- Jason Carreira
Jason, it was a staff member (says Blint) and she was wearing a jumper + scarf... Facts my friend.
- Johnny Worthington
Cyndy & John +983755509325453 The rest of you seem to be too caught up in an emotional knee-jerk reaction to Thomas' digital call to arms, to think clearly. We don't have all of the information and this lynch mob was created off of one man's rant. The inflamatory language of his original post and threat that he was going to blog about it, doesn't do much to prove himself to be the innocent victim that he claims to be.
- Louie
@John, if you had been contacted by an upset customer and you were in Blint's position, and Hawk was standing up there continuing to take pictures of you while you're trying to talk to him, do you think that would make you more or less interested in hearing what he had to say? A confrontation was created, but not all on one side.
- Jason Carreira
'Blog about it' is today's I'm writing a 'letter to the editor'.
- Johnny Worthington
But TH was technically still a customer and deserves the same rights of a fair hearing as the accuser.
- Johnny Worthington
Don't you people realize that this is a classic example of someone spinning a story by omitting facts so that you feel sorry for them? Some of you may have been out of the dating game too long to remember this, but it happens all the time. Oh, it was horrible, he treated me bad, we got in arguments, blah blah blah... woe is me. Then you find out, hmm... little miss innocent isn't the fairy she portrayed herself to be, in reality.
- Louie
Other companies may have a different policy, but where I work, if an employee feels harassed/violated in any way by a customer, that customer is ejected from the premises IMMEDIATELY. It could be quite possible that the female employee, referenced in the director's reasoning, was the one to make a complaint about Thomas and his DSLR aimed at her direction from above.
- Louie
Guilty until proven Innocent? There's some rights for you Jason
- Johnny Worthington
Was "Thomas" sent to prison? Talk about hyperbole... you've learned well from "Thomas"
- Jason Carreira
You are right Jason. I was wrong. Thomas (My gawd he doesn't even use his own name!) did the wrong thing. He shouldn't have made a fuss about it. Maybe I should ask a few people only to ride at the back of the bus and tell my wife she can't vote. Hell I can get my 2 year old daughter to work in a sewing house in 3 years. Now THAT's hyperbole...
- Johnny Worthington
About an hour ago, Jason suggested that Thomas Hawk should have taken this up with management. However, Blint IS managment. As the Director of Visitor Relations, he is the person responsible for Hawk's experience at the museum. Well, we'll have to wait and see what Blint says about this. Since (to my knowledge) he didn't say anything over the weekend, presumably he'll make a statement Monday. He will, won't he?
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
The real story here is the power of bad publicity. Whether or not this story happened as Thomas told it is almost irrelevant. The internet is becoming a more and more powerful medium for stories like this to get out of hand and quickly destroy the reputation of people or businesses and establishments like this museum should quit ignoring it and hire someone to work solely on conversing with the online community and ensuring their reputation.
- Brandon Titus
Do you smoke cigarettes? How many cigs or packs per day?
No way, 0.
- Geoff Schultz
Not ever.
- Bren -- Making Contact
Eww.
- Corie
Not anymore. I quit. Before it was 2 packs a day.
- AJ Batac
If you do smoke, please mention brand name.
- Mike Fruchter
Not once ever in my life.
- Louis Gray
Same as Louis. Never have and never will.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
never have, never will...
- Jack Wilson
I've tried but I hated it.
- Valley
American Spirit (Light), less than a pack a day.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Never have, bad childhood bronchitis means I never will (plus rather spend the money on my daughter/camera gear)
- Johnny Worthington
Nope...quit
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Never have. I prefer other ways to make my money go up in smoke.
- Mattb4rd
Marb Reds pack a day for 16 years, Started at 13. Back then they let us smoke in high school. Quit in 99. Never looked back. But I enjoy the occasional cigar.
- Steve Olson
I do not. Never have. And even if I wanted to, asthma would prevent it (quite possibly by killing me). Besides, like John, I think there are far better things to spend my money on: Good food, good drink, good tech.
- Joanmarie
Nope: I'm out. But I used to.
- Chris Baskind
I never smoked.
- Morton Fox
Quit around 6 years ago. Then it was 1-2 packs a day of menthols.
- Alix Whitmire
I smoked 1+ packs a day for close to 20 years. I quit last April with the help of Chantix.
- David Worrell
no smoking here
- (jeff)isageek
Not only no...
- Todd Jordan
no smokey for me
- Morgan
Wow - you realize you really won't be able to enjoy alcohol, tobacco, and drugs at 84, right? I mean, I've never seen an 84 year old do a kegstand or anything.
- David Worrell
Alcohol?
- Bren -- Making Contact
David I think George Burns would disagree -- although I don't recall hearing of him doing a kegstand. Regardless, Cyvros that's very cool.
- Joanmarie
About a pack a day of Marlboro lights.
- Russell Holliman
JPS- trying to quit -- cut down to about 7-9 ciggs. Used to smoke a pack !
- Peter Dawson
Hellllllllllllllllllllllllllll no. Never have, never will. In fact, I have a weird... thing about it. I can't touch anything related to smoking. I hate even typing the words 'smoking' or 'cigarettes'. It freaks me out like none other.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Best line about smoking- "I'm up to two lighters a day." Bill Hicks
- michael sean wright
used to... quit, started and finally quit again... nasty fucking habit
- Chuck
have never bought or smoked regular cigarettes - smoked a few cloves, but always bummed from someone else - have never purchased them
- Nathan Chase
Pack a day til I quit. Marlboro Reds to Marlboro Lights to Benson & Hedges Deluxe Ultra Light 100s - Menthol. Gah, still miss it, and I quit almost 11 years ago.
- Cyndy
BTW, congrats to everyone who quit! As a non-smoker I only know what I've heard, but what I've heard about trying to quit is that it's a b*tch.
- Joanmarie
1 pk/day ... I'd like to quit, does that count? :)
- Tim Hoeck
Nope, never did.
- Steve Rubel
actually my story on quitting is here http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Peter Dawson
Never
- Igor Poltavskiy
I'm an ex-smoker, which makes me superior to both smokers and non-smokers! ;)
- Toby Graham
I quit once I had children!
- Joe Dawson
Never ever. Thinking about it freaks me out just like it does to Akiva.
- Mike Reynolds
I quit last year. (2nd time, actually). Gained weight, but it's so nice to breathe!
- Sarah Perez
No one.
- Jinger
what cigarettes do Doctors smoke ? http://www.liveleak.com/view...
- Peter Dawson
I'm allergic to nicotine.
- Steven Perez
The Changing Blogosphere and Blogging 2.0 - http://www.inquisitr.com/1964...
Jack Wilson liked this
Ham radio bloggers get it. We're actually a good fit for the Blogging 2.0 model. Well done!
- ka3drr
But do you think Ham radio operators are using blogs as a source of information?
- Jack Wilson
Yes. I believe ham radio bloggers are supplementing traditional media forms such as printed. We are emerging as information and content sources across many ham radio topics as well. Subsequently, we might be the heart of information and content for traditional sources.
- ka3drr
ThisGuyDoug, John LeMasney, Van Van Noy and 9 other people liked this
wow you find all the hot girls Leo
- Colide81 (James)
Dude, I think that's his daughter!
- Jim Bergman
Jim, that is Morgan from X-Play.
- Johnny Worthington
And she is hot
- John
LOL yeah I knew it was Morgan from X-Play, Webb Alert, and G4 when I said she is HOT.
- Colide81 (James)
D'oh! Well, in that case, she is totally hot!
- Jim Bergman
That's a GREAT picture of you and Morgan! Makes me miss TSS all the more!
- Jeff Garlick
Leo is an inspiration to millions of geeks in that you can get old, your hair turns grey, but as long as you talk about tech enough, you'll be surrounded by hot babes.
- Andrew Leyden
Morgan and some of the gang from TSS...we miss that show!
- Jack Wilson
from twhirl
Morgan on TSS ,, was why I watched TSS ,, miss it too
- johnpiercy
Morgan Webb is the hottest woman on television.
- Jay
What's with all the Raw Hamburgers?
- Michael Rowe
from twhirl
Repeat of my Twitter question -- What do you folks think of "copy-paste" blogging? Looking for some outside opinions for my newest ZDNet blog for today.
AJ Kohn, Mattb4rd, Michael Gaines and 2 other people liked this
do you mean copy the content and brand it as your own? That would be bad.
- Rob Diana
I mean either a) writing your own blog doing no research other than reading another blog or b) copy-pasting content from another blog and adding little insight of your own. Proper credit is given, but, is it valuable?
- Jennifer Leggio
I don't bother. I just hit "Shift-S" in Google Reader. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Wow,,, thats a tricky one...
- Johnny Worthington
Aggrigator If you are known as an aggragator then this could be acceptable but as long as you add something substantial to the conversation or article. This would apply to rumor or fan sites etc...
- Johnny Worthington
Well, doing that with a single blog typically without more insight is just an echo. If you summarize a few blogs, I would think that is valuable. For a single blog (with little additional insight) is great for a friendfeed share, not a blog post. But that is just my opinion.
- Rob Diana
It can be valuable. Just posting a link and saying "go here" will be ignored a lot of the time. Your site is almost guaranteed to have viewers who won't have seen the original piece.
- Mark H
@Mark Yeah, it's not even doing promo. I did one of those as an experiment yesterday for this article I am writing (waiting for my stats delivery). It's, say, adding a block of quoted text from another blog and then saying, "So uh, what do you think about that?" without offering any of your own insight. That bugs me. And sometimes (as in one of my examples) in can lead to errors.
- Jennifer Leggio
Besides for just page views there is the question of the bloggers intent. If they have an opinion on the subject, why not post that in the original article's comments.
- Johnny Worthington
if you're talking about aggragation of several blogs into one blog, it's fine for me as long as there's no SEO on the blog post and it's not 'stealing' conversation (although Friendfeed is kind of stealing conversations... and that's not bad either).
- Fabrice Epelboin
from twhirl
Maybe I'm old school, but I'm of the mind that anytime you do something, no matter what it is, if it's going to have value, you need to do your research. I tell people that all the time. Nothing's worse than looking like a fool because half your blog post is wrong.
- Michael Gaines
It can be bad, but obviously there's no way to stop it from happening. I do appreciate the Tumblr and/or Friendfeed approach to this, I think the key is to share as little as possible of the original, while still being enough to catch people's interest and get them to *click through*. If you are reproducing so much of the original that the user doesn't feel the need to click through, then you're doing a disservice.
- Jason Wehmhoener
A blog post may be either aimed at adding insight or spreading awareness of a news item/opinion to your audience. As long as credit and links are included, I don't see anything wrong with it.
- Kamath (नमः)
I think just adding a copy/paste doesn't add to the signal to noise ratio of the blogosphere. Adding your own insights makes it more value-added, but I can't say that copy-paste is inherently wrong as long as proper credit is given.
- Jack Wilson
from twhirl
I agreed with that the copy-pasting information is very bad, especially if you post it as your own. But If you want to share information with your network, you may copy-paste that info with link to the source. I think it is normal. I posted preview of McKinsey article about Web 2.0 and write a link to the full article.
- obolonskyi
If a high-traffic blogger simply blurbs and links to a blog post, that's probably a good thing overall. If a blogger excerpts, links and expands the post with original commentary, that's even better. Blogs that consist of only "copy-paste" with no insight added are worthless and represent bottom-feeding behavior. It gets frustrating if you're doing all the heavy lifting and somebody else using control-C gets to hitch a ride on your labor.
- Paul Rodriguez
I think "copy-paste blogs" look like "Yellow journalism(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...)"
- obolonskyi
You must have your own opinion, your own content if you're going to do any copy-and-pasting. I generally copy (and attribute) facts or a contrasting opinion. But you must have a take on it, and not just a one-liner. It's okay to use another blog post as a piece or jumping off point for your own post, but if it's the only thing you have you aren't adding anything to the discussion.
- AJ Kohn
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