El. Oh. El. You gotta be some sort of stupid to friend your boss before your probation period is up. Fired in front of friends and family? PRICELESS.
- Anika
She's a f*ing idiot. A similar thing happened to a friend of mine at an ad agency, who accidentally texted "my boss is a fucking cunt" ... to her boss. She didn't get fired or reprimanded, but she freaked out about it.
- LANjackal
It floors me how much people openly vent about their jobs on public feeds like FriendFeed. Even if your boss isn't a direct contact, how are people so sure that a boss or co-worker won't stumble across it?
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
If I have complaints about work, I try to mask them as much as possible or make them more about me personally than the job itself. At the same time, I really try to stay mum about any job I have..
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
Mike and how are you so sure that other people don't know who you are talking about? There's a person here on FriendFeed who complains about their coworker. Even though I live in a different city, I know that coworker.
- Anika
+1 Anika. I generally refrain from talking bad about my employer/coworkers ANYWHERE online. Even on anonymous accounts. You just never know who might freak out and file an unmasking court order. It's happened before.
- LANjackal
from IM
It also doesn't matter if anyone sees it when you write it, because The Google sees it and records it for anyone looking for it years from now.
- Trish R
Maybe the more general rule that comes into play here is to never say anything about someone you wouldn't tell them to their face.
- Ken Sheppardson
What an idiot... When people claim we don't need guidelines for employees using social media, I just have to point out cases of extreme stupidity like this...
- Badger Gravling
Ouch! Hope she learned the lesson. And +1 Ken, this is the simplest rule not to forget at any point.
- lelapin
Well someone has to make room for other people! From the sounds of it, she was probably already canned anyway.
- Robert Fisher
Well that was a bit dumb. The thing about social media is it's just so much a part of our lives. We are encouraged to pour our views and feelings into it but we have to remember who is going to be reading it. In the end we have to censor ourselves so as a result our lifestream is a watered down stream. There are no directors cuts.
- Parvez Halim
Interestingly, every time I consider complaining about my job via any social media platform, I stop and think "how can I make my job better? how can I improve myself?" and then end up writing about that instead. It has made me a much happier person. Really.
- mike fabio
:). Well it's okay for both of them. It sounded like the employee was really unlucky to got this job. He hated it deep inside. The "Boss" don't need people which don't love their work, ASK YOURSELF: What's more worse? Being fired after posting you real thoughts somewhere, or keep on working without having a bit of joy or patience on the job and face serious health problems after some time?
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
.. and that's why I'm private. I'm pretty good about not talking about work, but never know when I may say something completely stupid
- Rodfather
I think there is a serious point here: Your on-line social network pals will be supportive of you regardless of whether you are right or wrong. That's what friends are for, kind of. All the boss does is let in a bit of reality.
- sjjh
Maybe she wanted to be fired by her boss? Just questioning...
- Torsten Eckert
Splendid. Too bad the story isn't real. OR IS IT...?
- Francesco Balducci
I do so love the false sense of anonymity the Internet instills in people.
- matthew john ernisse
Where did you get this? I'm trying to verify that it is actually a real event. Looks too 'perfect' and to generate this much hype I believe it is just two friends that wanted to laugh about how stupid the world is...
- Brian J. Reeves
I wondered the same myself. The language suggests it's from the UK
- LANjackal
from IM
... or somewhere else where the British style of speech dominates
- LANjackal
from IM
April - you can't imagine how many people e-mailed me screenshots of this :)
- Charlie Anzman
I wish I was here in order to press the "Like" button.
- Clément Cailly
social media and your boss don't mix well :)
- Dave Q
They DM me and ask me to retweet their crap all the time, but never talk to me like a human.
- Chris Brogan
Wouldn't un-following them be a more cool-headed response? that way they can't DM you anymore, right?
- Chris Heath
ah. yeah, a bit rude isn't it? The audacity of the request are amazing sometimes. So look, if you snapped on someone for it... well, they ought to have the social wherewith all to know that's rude. One wouldn't walk up to you at a dinner party with the same request.
- Ted Bradford II
It's a sickness that's spreading throughout Twitter
- Bwana ☠
maybe this is the controversy that Allen Stern is looking for this weekend? http://friendfeed.com/allenst... I can see the headlines now... "Brogan blows up over DM RT request - Play him off keyboard cat!"
- Chris Heath
It's rarely the big guys (well, Gary V, but he's special). It's always the folks who see me as a number and not a dude.
- Chris Brogan
you should open another account called, "retweet robot' for fun, and DM people to ask post their request there instead
- zach
My sympathies, though in a sense it is a good problem to have. Your tweets have significant value, which others recognize (and try to take advantage of).
- DGentry
Those kinds of requests mostly come from PR people, right?
- jjprojects
I don't retweet at all on principle. I love it when others do, though. I can see how this would become a problem. BTW, Chris -- I see you as a dude, not a number.
- Louis Gray
ack, sorry. i know i did this to you once. :( - although at least i did it in person and treated you like a human?
- Sarah is Novembery
Chris, unfollow them. Two people do that: people that are trying to game your reach and true friends who really need the help. Be more than happy to help a friend out and be more than happy to help the other "friend" out- right out the door.
- Damien Basile
...damn, i'd re-tweet, and re-friendfeed this, but I don't want to jacked up for doing it. @ChrisBrogan: perhaps, all the retweeters who are hitting you up feel like, with your help, they're standing on the shoulders of a social media giant. perhaps it's really a sign of respect.
- .LAG liked that
hah - two names immediately came to mind - interesting that one gets special treatment :)
- Allen Stern
you probably follow too many people. I understand you want to let people DM you, but it isn't realistic you're actually following them. Kinda robotic actually. Normal following counts would solve this problem for you, I bet.
- Ivan Kirigin
Chris you are an awesome dude, this must be very frustrating for you. This (2010 Web / Real Time Web) is new territory and people have new principles, values, and morals to learn / adopt. You are a magnet, you create great value, you have uncommon authority people covert that. Some of them who haven't yet considered and adopted sound 2010 Web principles, values, and morals may behave...
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- Deano @ Byron New Media
I'm so thankful I've never done that to you! I really wish Twitter would fix the DM problem - maybe give us a choice whether to accept DMs or not.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Interesting point! @iKirigin @Ed_Dale is adamant about having a minimal follow list while other guru's advise actively following people talking in your market. In this instance I can understand Ed's point. It's a tricky choice for those still building the critical mass of their tribe. @wordsforliving (Jannifer) that could be a solution, genuine DM is really handy at times even from...
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- Deano @ Byron New Media
Don't Blame you at all for being sick of it, or snapping on someone for it. It's all too common for people to do this though. One way that I've seen some people deal with it: every so often solicit things to retweet, and make it clear then to please not ask you to do this - you do it when you're feeling like it. Then hopefully only people who have some kind of news that urgently needs to be spread (i.e. twitter worm, FB worm, etc) call on you other times.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Anyone who directly solicits others to retweet what they write probably doesn't really mean very much of it anyway.
- Randy Holloway
does this happen because it's automated (i.e. Twitter allows someone to build a script for DM'ing people)? Also, if you don't follow that person, they can't DM you, right?
- Vincent van Wylick
Chris, I understand. This kind of behavior is an etiquette breach in real life and online. The standard quid pro quo isn't inherent in the situation. You RT, but what do you get in return? In real life, you would be compensated or some other value-added service would be given to you. Scammers on Twitter want everything for free. They may value your reach but they disrespect you. I've...
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- Christine Cavalier
Thing is, I love retweeting good information that is helpful to my community and I support many causes that can benefit from my network. Where I get pissy is when people ONLY hit me in DM when they need me to retweet.
- Chris Brogan
Ahh the old human trait, selfishness. Reminds me of a few of my 'friends' only talk when they want something.
- Mo Kargas
You could always just say "I'll retweet stuff I like so do NOT ask me for a Retweet."
- Scott Wilder
The worst are those people who are sending mass-DMs and asking for Re-Tweets. That is major fail.
- Curt Mercadante
Chris, right. I get mostly offended when it is a person I don't know at all. This is what is happening now with me: These spammy requestors get wise to my random RT policies, so they start to @ me and "engage" me in chitchat before they ask for another DM. By this point, their motivations are obvious. Without a solid policy, I have no way of avoiding this fake "buttering up." I'm sure...
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- Christine Cavalier
And thanks for bringing this up. The etiquette issue is good fodder for my blog.
- Christine Cavalier
I have a few people that do that. Funny thing is I know some of them in real life, but on Twitter, that's the only time I ever hear from them. It makes me think a lot less of them in real life.
- Jesse Stay
What's equally funny is that people get very upset when I call them on it. If I say, "it feels like you only talk to me when you need something," they get all defensive and "well, excuse me, mister popular!" . But that's because people only see with their own lens. If they have 1000 followers, it's manageable. It's not as scalable.
- Chris Brogan
But you are paid to do this, right? Why wouldn't people start treating you like that?
- Thom Kennon
Excellent :-), You should snap at them. The re-tweet is stupid. If it's interesting you'll discuss the ideas with them.
- Richard A.
I can't imagine asking someone to retweet something I'd posted. It's so... rude.
- Steve Ellwood
I guess it's hard for me to believe someone would dm you and ask for such a thing. wow
- Keith - @tsudo
@Thom - paid to do what? Use Twitter? Um, no. That'd be a gig!
- Chris Brogan
@Thom, people are certainly not offering payment for retweets. That's why asking for the favor is so rude. Most people don't ask strangers for big favors like that.
- Christine Cavalier
Wasn't Mike Arrington suggesting that RTs = Currency, and people will start paying for them? If they're going to be so rude as to constantly ask just because people have lots of followers, shouldn't they offer to pony up some $$$ ??
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Which bothers you more: receiving a DM to RT or being asked to RT regardless of DM? Sounds like it's the DM that bothers you.
- Ari Herzog
Talking about pay per blog posts e.g. Izea, and yes, in some cases, I reckon Tweets feed this and become amplifiers of that model.
- Thom Kennon
(I know you're asking Chris, but personally I don't like the being asked to RT so much - I don't mind when a person really needs a favor - it's the matter of someone asking me to RT something simply because of the number of followers - I can only imagine how much Chris must get)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Thom - I don't get paid to tweet, but if you want to start, I'm in. I'm on the Advisory board of Izea, but it's not my full time job or something. I'm on about 6 advisory boards and none of them pay unless those guys get bought. Then? I get a pony. : )
- Chris Brogan
@AriHerzog is right. I loathe the DM aspect more than not.
- Chris Brogan
tell em chris, im ignoring about 1-2 dms a day now asking for a retweet. if you have to ask, i probably dont think its worth a RT ;)
- sean percival
I am a little fuzzy and it's not just the lack of sleep I have been dealing with. Heheh. I don't like it, though, so don't be surprised if this new look doesn't last very long.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
" Stats became something that fluctuated worse that a crack whore’s prices on a Friday night" wow. I need to work on my analogies. :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Maybe you could ask the developer of the TWiT Live Desktop to integrate an options panel where users can select which stream they'd like: Ustream, Stickam, or BitGravity.
- Eric Geller
Thanks to BitGravity I can stream from my iphone to my laptop anywhere in my country even in train!! Simply AWESOME!!!!
- Royant
I love the new popout. It's perfect in Chrome as an application shortcut. Now I have an instant "Leo on my desktop" that hangs off to the side while I'm working.
- Amac
I'm sure this has been asked already somewhere, but will there be a unified chat below the video at some point on live.twit.tv?
- techky
Yes, it is in fact pictures of people next to what they typed. It also looks like Facebook, Disqus, Jaiku, and pretty much every other service with, you know, people who type stuff.
- Ken Sheppardson
everyone wants to look the same, now Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook have basically the exact same interface
- Lou Paglia
I noticed that. At least Plurk keeps threads in a drop down box, so you control the space. Although I do appreciate the check box for @reply twitter
- samccoy
I would suggest that everyone hashtags #tweetie on twitter for the next few days so that Apple Inquisitors are comfortable with it
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Update is available now on the app store. I just downloaded it. Love the RT (vs. via) style for RT. New dark theme is cool too.
- Abbas Haider Ali
How asinine of that Apple reviewer not to understand that those trending words have nothing to do with Tweetie. I'm glad they figured out their cock-up.
- Rick Cogley
Dark blue and orange (top middle) or that green sunset one (3 down, on the right)
- Phil G
Ohhh... you can skin Gmail now? How do you do that?
- Her Lindsay-ness
The third one down on the left, looks like a very clean and crisp theme. I hope these work for Google Apps, cause labs hasn't even been working for my apps account.
- Jacob Burke
Yes, this would be nice. I depend on FriendFeed to pull all my content from around the Web into my feed. I only makes sense that Viddler should be supported by FriendFeed.
- Dennis Metzcher
I asked for this back in March when I signed up for the site. They said they were more focused on building out internal features at that point. Shortly afterward, they released Seesmic support. I think they were bluffing.
- Jared Mehle
Funny - I recently had to explain the problem with this concept to our 4 year old after she hit her sister in the head with a stick and thought "sorry" made everything okay.
- Jonathan Beckett
wake up... it will pass and it should. these men have not allowed one terrorist attack since 9/11. waterboard em I don't give a damn. out the nipple clips on Osama's henchmen.
- Noah David Simon
Wow... just wow. Clicking 'Like' just doesn't seem to be fitting. FF needs another option methinks... Anyway, this is disgraceful.
- Jamie Clark
now let's see WHO in the Senate actually votes for this. Who's for change ?
- Andrew MacNeill
from twhirl
The bill passed, like 9 months ago, something like 406-6. It's law. Weren't you all calling your Senators when this was up for the vote last fall? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Adam Turetzky
It seems USA is truly heading towards being a totalitarian state
- Brian Sullivan
Technically, it is Congress giving Bush a pardon he wrote and inserted in a bill. But he won't escape international prosecution because of this.
- Mitch Ratcliffe
from twhirl
So is this like asking for forgiveness for something he may or may not do now, or in the future or may have done in the p... oh, damn! I've gone crossed eyed!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
caffertyfile@cnn.com <- Don't let someone go away just like that.
- AJ Batac
Where does responsibility end? Congress voted for the things he's being potentially accused of, as well. Do they get punished for war-crimes? What about the faulty intelligence gatherers? What about folks like Gore and the Clintons, who also supported the Iraqi war? What about the folks who voted for the folks who voted for this war? It's easy to pick on the President because he's a retard, but that doesn't make it sporting.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Good point, Mark. On the other hand, giving this administration's penchant for torture, illegal extraditions, etc. there may have been some war crimes the administration engaged in that Congress did not approve.
- Steve Lynch
No, that's not a point, it's a slippery slope. Last time I checked, Mark, going to war or being a retard wasn't against the law. Torture is. And Congress had nothing to do with its institution as the preferred method for gathering intelligence, taking as models the Viet Kong and the Gestapo. It was an unconstitutional expansion of executive power. In my view, they are fascists.
- Rick Powell
FriendFeed does behave differently. The listing is dynamic and whatever has the most activity (liked and/or comments) will push other stuff down. Took a bit for me to adjust, especially since FriendFeed doesn't limit posts to only folks you follow. I hear you can change that, but I like the inclusivity I feel when I see interesting bits from a "friend of a friend."
- Arlan Koizumi
it's a bit hard for me to follow. twirl constantly getting messages from friendfeed. too much!
- excalipoor
I like FriendFeed, but I like twitter also. The big problem is neither works well in my smartphone browser. No commenting in FF, no replies in Twitter.
- David Z
@David - Try http://fftogo.com from your smartphone. It's the best option for me, so far, from my Treo with Blazer browser.
- Bradley McSpinn
from fftogo
it needs a better search....it is impossible to find a room unless you can find someone in that room..... and you need to be able to customize your page
- Matt
Even if one doesn't want to be like this Mike, your idea of participation premium bringing more people/perspective into your life can be an enriching learning experience for anyone. Just started Friendfeed and it does make that participation easier for this ordinary Jane. It's almost time to share it with all my friends and family but the selling point for them is ease of participation not wanting to be followed by scads of peeps so much.
- Boo
"The Participation Premium" - I like that. I told a co-worker the other day that FriendFeed is like discovering a place where the cool AND smart AND talented people hang out.
- Ha3rvey (obviously wrong)
Scoble you do talk about FriendFeed a whole lot more than Arrington does which might be a reason why you have more followers. Also is there not a FriendFeed plugin for WordPress yet? I saw Allen Stern has FriendFeed comments showing up right after his blog posts. I would expect you of all people to have this functionality on Scobleizer. We need to get someone to build a plugin for WordPress now!
- Ben Kessler
Great post. Arrington tends to use FF as a broadcast medium where you use it as a two-way conversation medium. Engaging in a conversation is more appealing than just reading what someone is doing online.
- Kevin Bondelli
I'm trying to say this without sounding like a complete groupie, but here goes: Robert, you (yes, "you") actually communicate with people on FriendFeed. It's not just, "Here's my cool new camera." or "Here I am at Davos." etc. It's actual, honest-to-goodness two-way communication. I think that makes the difference.
- Ha3rvey (obviously wrong)
I have another take on it. I think it is because you are more of an evangelist for FriendFeed. You influence more people to come into the service because you state its case so well (and frequently). And, FriendFeed has little value when you are the "first" of your circle to get in. So, the natural thing to do is make sure subscribe and closely follow Scoble.I don't mean to discount the...
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- John Trainor
This is sooooo true. When people realize it, they'll enjoy and learn from twitter (and Friendfeed) ten times more over time
- Charlie Anzman
Robert: Thank you for this post - you nailed it! Let's talk about not only participation but also evangelism of FriendFeed service ;-) Some of the "A-Listers" barely even use FF let alone participate in it. You've gone way beyond that standard by actively engaging your growing audience... impressive! I followed you on Twitter as a mere follower / acquaintance along with the masses, but it wasn't until FF that we became conversant / friends. Thanks!
- Susan Beebe
Great post, Robert. As with anything else, you get what you put into it.
- David Risley
Sonciary Honnoll nailed it in what she wrote.Friend Feed allows people to engage in conversation with like minds. Information flies through FF faster than most other communities I am a part of. Everyone wants things to be faster..almost instant. FF almost allows that with the subscriptions and comment system they have up. You can post a news story or opinion and, in seconds others are talking about it with you.
- Candace
We are busy at fragmenting our identities, thoughts, relationships all over the net. FF makes meaning of this fragmentation
- Peter Efland
Link is down now, but I saw it a couple hours ago. Basically it's about increasing one's own 'brand' or 'value' within a community by participating in conversations. Robert knows his audience and knows how to effectively engage with them. edit: link was posted in an earlier comment in FF
- Franklin Naval
Wasn't there talk of just boycotting the opening ceremonies or something...and then going about with the rest as normal. I mean...$, and good sporting aside...we've got some serious human rights issues that can't just be ignored and shoved aside so we can watch girls in leotards flip around a mat
- Erin @queenofspain
China has no interest in seeing those T Bills they are holding turn to worthless paper either :D
- Moved to Facebook
This means a lot to China, and it's more than propaganda. This is a matter of national pride. I think Beijing was a poor choice, but we should go. Insulting the Chinese will only radicalize them, and play into the hands of her hard liners.
- Chris Baskind
US needs to learn to be a world citizen and quit acting like the world is US and everyone else just slacking, Things they are a changing. I am proudest of my home country when they are big-hearted not small minded.
- Mark Forman
Boycotts are bloody meaningless! The whole point of the Olympics is to forge world friendships using sports without politics getting in the way of things. Do you really think the Chinese would give two tosses if Butthead Bush stayed away? I don't think so.
- Mark O'Neill
God, I f*cking hate him. (And other more salient points.)
- Ayşe E.
sadly I can't fault Bush for this, I think there's enough political crap that no matter the party in power, the boycott would be considered. Yes China probably wasn't ready for this, but someone in Olympic committee made that bad decision. To properly boycott the entire team & athletes would have to boycott. Look @ it another way,he is going to support the athletes. [and I agree with Mark Forman, the US has become very close minded, and I believe it's more conservative then most other countries]
- clarke thomas
How about North Korea next? Maybe Iran? Why is it, exactly, that we're ok with some countries but totally against the others? Oooh,,,,now I remember.
- Erin @queenofspain
Why is it always the job of the United States to "punish" others? Or to go in and "fix" something that we say is wrong? WHy don't we do some fixing right here in our own country? In our own state? In our own city? Let's get it right here before we start imposing ourselves on others. We have serious human rights issues right under our damn noses and we aren't doing a thing about those!
- Adrienne Van Houten
Adrienne-wise words. As a husband and father I've learned that examples always much more convincing than diatribes.
- Mark Forman
This isn't about punishing anyone. Boycotting the opening ceremonies won't change anything, but it will send a message that we, as people, do not agree with the way things are being done. Simple as that. Sure, it won't change anything in the immediate future, but if we stop speaking up just because we think things won't change, the world's going to become a very silent, and desolate place.
- Slobokan
Who gets to choose whether or not the entire country "agrees" or "disagrees"?
- Adrienne Van Houten
I would hope we, as a country, as humans would all agree that certain human rights are basic and undeniable.
- Erin @queenofspain
We as a country can't decide which human rights are basic and undeniable for our citizens, why should we decide it for others?
- Adrienne Van Houten
Sorry Erin, not sending a team idea can #suckit. Olympic movement is about competition, not politics. Have a problem? Take it up with Anita DeFranz.
- Andrew Feinberg
I never advocating not doing anything. or sending teams or sending our presidnet.
- Erin @queenofspain
my point is...this is a world stage filled with politics whether it's supposed to be or not. Bush doesn't need to go for the whole damn thing
- Erin @queenofspain
and I disagree that there are rights only as they apply to countries. I think everyone has human rights that have nothing to do with country or politics.
- Erin @queenofspain
On that last point I wholeheartedly agree, he (Bush) doesn't need to go at all. He isn't competing in anything and really do we want him to represent us anywhere right now?
- Adrienne Van Houten
As Mark Cuban is quick to point out, the Olympics have nothing to do with the spirit of competition or friendships between nations... it's just a big frakkin' sports marketing endeavor.
- Roger Benningfield
I'm torn. If we, as a country, weren't just as high up on the Amnesty International list of countries with substantial human rights abuse, it might be something to consider. Until we address our own H.R.A. issues, it would be a bit hypocritical to pretend that boycotting the Olympics would come from a moral highground here.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Personally I'd like to point out that this all started from me pointing out Bush's 'unartful' comments on the matter. I haven't advocated for anything...yet
- Erin @queenofspain
maybe that's why it's the national fruit in China, and served with every meal?
- clarke thomas
Gives new meaning to the phrase "nice mellons"
- Ralph Whitbeck
"The little blue pill is being replaced by the big green melon" that made me spew tea across my desk! ROFLMAO
- PonziPirillo
I wonder if my wife read about this. There is half a watermelon in the fridge that was not there yesterday.
- JA Castillo
saw that on the news - problem is - it's the RIND you have to eat. You know, the gross green part? And no idea how much of it. Although apparently they're working on a genetically 'improved' watermelon with the chemical factor in the red part. :\
- Lucretia Pruitt
ya gotta see Kevin Spacey on actors studio ... doing the impressions ... go to youtube now; you'll thank me
- Dan Covington
Jamie Foxx's Ronald Reagan impression too. Freakishly good. Love that series.
- Casey
is this the best movie summer ever or what.
- Karim
That seems to be the thing, you know, create a strong personal brand, then wind up as a caricature of it. I think Baudrillard referred to that as "hyperreal." c.f. John Dvorak, Andy Rooney...
- Karim
I think he should have said BOOyahhh! differently. C'mon he's an acting coach!? :) Very funny...
- Mario Sundar
I am very excited for this and for the Dark Knight.
- RAPatton
I have not seen the first one, have no real desire to see this one, but this is a GREAT trailer! ;)
- Paula Hawk
Are you kidding me?? That was a bit too short and not super funny... not sure where the best ever hype is coming from. It's tough with actor's studio after Will Ferrell has done such a good job making fun of it- making fun of IAS is a bit hacky now.
- Brian Carter
I appreciated the post, and used the thought in a post on engagement being much tougher to handle with all these new tools http://twurl.nl/expho0
- Daltonsbriefs
I'm almost there, but still nothing showing up. Will it be for "going forward" posts?
- Chris Brogan
Chris, the Blogger versions grabs your last 90 entries. I assume WordPress is very much the same. Just wait a little for it to populate.
- Louis Gray
When I set up something like this in Drupal there was about an hour lag between the comment in FriendFeed and showing up on my site. Prorogation delay for RSS feeds, or something like that.
- Aldon Hynes
Ah, but now Loren will unleash a video on you. And video is a big thing. Michael Nesmith said so, in Rolling Stone classifieds circa 1980...
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Oh I can't wait for him to "unleash" it -- it's so dangerous. :-)
- Dave Winer
Social Wars v2.0 - brought to you by Dave.
- Vic Podcaster
I'm disappointed. Dave, what is the expected outcome of this? And who will it benefit?
- Mohamed J
It's just for fun, and it can always come down. But not until shelisrael.com comes down. And he lays off attacking people for a while. I also think he's being paid to go after people. So this just balances things out. If he attacks someone, I can give them a chance to be heard on equal terms with Loren. You're entitled to be disappointed Mo, that's okay, and keep expressing your opinion.
- Dave Winer
Are all of you crazy? Seriously. Do you think I give a shit about www.1938media.net? Wow you guys are insane.
- loren feldman
Okay, good then there's nothing to worry about! I really don't think you can help yourself Loren, my complaint is with the people who support you. I read somewhere that you're happy to make videos just for yourself.
- Dave Winer
Nothing to worry about? WTF are you talking about? I don't give a rats ass what you do there, hell I'll promote it for you. Let me make this easy for you guys to understand. The puppet shows will never stop. Never. I don't care if I never get a sponsor again. I don't need one.
- loren feldman
Fine. Go for it. Hope it makes you feel good.
- Dave Winer
I aspire to be me. If I'm mean, funny, stupid, clever, whatever. That's what I aspire to be. Me. It's my goddamn site, I can do whatever I like. You are a hypocrite and full of shit Dave. The web is about freedom of speech, all of it. And to suggest that Shel being Jewish has something to do with this just proves what a fucking dope you are. I'm Jewish and you are a disgrace to Jews everywhere.
- loren feldman
Is that a picture of Dave taking a dump? Looks like kind of a pussy to me.
- Frank Roche
I love the block command in FriendFeed.
- Dave Winer
wow... we're entering third grade territory here...
- David Parmet
from twhirl
I'm honestly shocked, Dave. Loren's puppets are funny in a non-insulting way AKA *JOKE*! However, this is just sad. I hope it was worth the $6.95 from Godaddy.
- Mark Frost
from twhirl
Mark, as you say it's just $7, I spend more on that for a sandwich. I also bought 1938media.org, so I've actually got $14 invested in Loren's future. I don't like the puppets, but I understand totally that he has a right to do what he's doing. I also understand the idea of doing art for yourself. However, I want to support Shel, who is a real person, who despite what Loren feels, is being hurt. And I want people like Jason Calacanis and Mike Arrington to at least stop promoting this. Dan Farber too.
- Dave Winer
Also, I didn't see anyone else standing up for Shel, and that really bothered me. I was doing it privately, until a friend of mine (who can speak for himself, and I hope he does) called me on it. I gave it some thought and decided that I should say something. I have First Amendment rights as well, people seem to overlook that. And people say it's dangerous to push back. I don't buy into that either. Loren isn't that talented or powerful, sorry to say Loren.
- Dave Winer
Satire that's based on abuse of people stops being funny to most people pretty quickly. And if my speaking up causes him to accelerate the abuse, which he's said it will, then that will shorten his 15 minutes of fame, or force him to get really creative, either result would be great. His humor gets old quick. Esp when you find out that real people are being hurt by it. Most people are basically good, and when they find this out, they do stop and think.
- Dave Winer
DAve, I support u fully on this . Whats good for da Goose has to be good for the Gander to !!
- Peter Dawson
I just don't get what you are accomplishing with this and by claiming you are defending Shel. Most people don't like Shel's obsessive hatred of Loren's puppet and the videos. He goes around and interviews web personalities and makes it a show rather than a boring interview, it's very unique. Also, I don't know were Loren's satire has turned to abuse and I've seen every puppet video he's done. His 15 minutes of fame is growing longer and longer as we sit here and discuss him, he'll be on CNET soon enough.
- Mark Frost
from twhirl
Thanks Jamie for that link. Stowe and I have kissed and made up. I think he's like everyone else, trying to make a difference and earn a living. When I clicked on the other link I got "Twitter is over capacity" -- for once I agree with its judgment.
- Dave Winer
I think certain people are using the Loren/Shel feud as a platform for old, long standing feuds. I think this has little to do with protecting Shel. It's just the same old tired pissing match between the usual suspects. I'm tuning out.
- Mike Doeff
you're not alone! the loren puppet shel thing is weighing down twitter and FF now!
- Susan Beebe
Loren, Loic, Peter... it's just that the past 48 hours have shown that it's all connected. That the roots of the problem are deeper than we all imagine. Deeper than Arrington. Deeper than Julia Allison. Perhaps only one man can help now. The President. Of the Friendfeedosphere. Louis Gray. We need Louis, Israel, and Mahmoud Abbas to sit down at the table. The table near the window at the Subway in Sunnyvale. 704 S Wolfe Rd.
- Gabe Rivera
"the roots of the problem are deeper than we all imagine." Touche bien , if that was said in sincerity !!
- Peter Dawson
Brokering the peace accord will be a long road. We might need Jimmy Carter.
- Erin @queenofspain
Gabe, did you have to bring up the Subway? Even the Timex Social Club can't handle all the Subway rumors.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Nah-with the severity of this problem there is only one man that can generate the positive energy needed to chill everyone out http://tw.youtube.com/watch...
- Mark Forman
Gabe, you forgot Searls. Come to think of it, everyone forgot Searls. Why are we talking about this instead of Searls?
- Paul Montgomery
I just tried to explain to someone what was going on, and it ended with 'and then this other guy bought this website and made it .net and it has a cat shitting' ...I think I just lost a friend by telling that story. The level of absurd is officially out of hand.
- Erin @queenofspain
Erin-this has long ago crossed into surreal territory. The string on this the rationality kite has long been cut.
- Mark Forman
Jason K, or they could plan 'A Very Special Gillmor Gang' tomorrow and hash things out. Ratings would be through the roof.
- Mike Doeff
yeah makes me sick. I've completely tuned out. There's like 30 people who care. Unfortunately, many people read these folks.
- Daniel Morgan
from twhirl
It's a bad silicon valley soap opera. Gabe is killing y'all.
- JonathanJoseph
"http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-c... (via mike arrington) Winer was totally fine with Loren's Shel puppet videos three months ago. Funny how things change." Watch the videos over time. You will notice that the last is less fun and more disgusting with focus being on up-setting sponsors. This is not acceptable. Dave is correct in raising objections when it crossed the limit - twisting the facts by others will not help here. One last thing - what goes around comes around - it's a very small world.
- Vic Podcaster
somehow I think Loren Feldman's next video is going to get a hellava lot of page views.
- Thomas Hawk
Loren Feldman-scaling the hill of hype so we don't have to. Puppet marketing 101
- Mark Forman
winer registered 1938media.net in may. so i would guess his disgust must have started shortly before then?
- jeneane sessum