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I'm going to start vlogging and blogging daily again... this looks like an exquisite opportunity to step back in the game!
Steven Perez, Jadito, Joe Pierce and 3 other people liked this
Good idea! At least the vlogging part:)
- Michael Fidler
HA! I agree! But the only reason I want to do the "blogging" part is for pointing out things better expressed by my fingertips rather than my luscious lips. Sometimes I look like an utter fool when explaining things that are just way too technical, or way out of my league...
- Michael Forian
URL?
- Jadito
Blog: http://www.lockergnome.com/forian... YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/Michael...
- Michael Forian
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! FACEBOOK JUST GOT FRIENDFEED! NOOOOOOOOOO! DAMN YOU ZUCKERBERG!
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I hope that line will be in the Facebook movie! This is the kind of line Twitter's CEO character should say: "DAMN YOU ZUKERBERG"
- Jonathan Boyer
Are you serious??!!!! *Panics*
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I'm going to head to my bed and cry for the next 6 hours.
- Michael Forian
I know its awesome right! haha. facebook wants some friendfeed tech,
- Zac Bowling
May I send you some tissues by Facebook?
- Jonathan Boyer
I kills you.
- Michael Forian
I seriously hate Facebook!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I thought friendfeed would be the biggest threat to Twitter but I now see it's Seesmic Desktop. Come here and we'll discover why:
Chris Baskind, Thierry R. Andriamirado, Curt Mercadante and 152 other people liked this
1. It has list management like friendfeed has. Twitter doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
2. It lets you display both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
3. It lets you search both Facebook and Twitter messages.
- Robert Scoble
4. It displays them all better than Twitter does.
- Robert Scoble
5. Friendfeed Support in the works.
- Jimminy Fuller
6. It lets you comment on Facebook postings
- Lee Herman
it sucks all the memory out of my machine. performance suffers. I want to like it. I don't.
- Karoli
5. Seesmic desktop (and TweetDeck, which really does most of the same stuff that Seesmic Desktop does) does DM's better than Twitter or Facebook do.
- Robert Scoble
Are you arguing that a 3rd party twitter application is a threat to twitter?
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: I don't care. I run it on its own machine. It can suck all the memory it wants!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: I can see a case for that, yes.
- Robert Scoble
It makes it easy to mark spammers.
- Jimminy Fuller
6. What happens when you add all your data into Seesmic Desktop and Twitter is down? Oh, move over to Seesmic's own service!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't have that luxury. Plus, it's still a client. How can it threaten Twitter when it needs twitter.?
- Karoli
6B: Twinkle on iPhone already does exactly that. Tweetie has 200,000 plus members who DO NOT NEED TWITTER ANYMORE!!! Update I origionally said Tweetie but it is Twinkle that has its own database. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: It isn't exclusive to Twitter.
- Jimminy Fuller
A twitter client threatens the existence of twitter?!
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: look at Twinkle. They show the way. They have 200,000 people who are on their own service now, even though most of them think they are only on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Only thing that is a threat to Twitter, is Twitter.
- Fake Elmo
I use tweetie. They still rely on twitter's firehose.
- Karoli
Including myself... haha care to elaborate Robert about tweetie
- Frankie Warren
Karoli: wrong. I was just at their headquarters and Tweetie has its own database and can send messages EVEN WHEN TWITTER IS DOWN!!!
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: Tweetie has two databases for each member. One for Twitter. One for its own back end.
- Robert Scoble
robert, to everyone on my twitter lists, including those NOT using tweetie?
- Karoli
Karoli: no, not to everyone. Right.
- Robert Scoble
I really *really* wish they would fix it so we can resize the main display panel .. it is really irritating to see it "squished" while the other panels are resizable
- Steven Hodson
Karoli: but what happens when all your friends are on Tweetie or Seesmic Desktop? Will you care anymore?
- Robert Scoble
I agree with joshua, these are clients, they don't live without the parent service. I don't see how seesmic desktop threatens twitter.
- Nitin Gupta
Stop exposing the secrets of us Twitter developers Robert - you're ruining the plan!
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: sorry. When you all pay me something I'll shut up. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's my point. There is interdependence here. All my friends will not be on one or the other. Blackberry users will use Twitterberry. Twittelator is a player here too. I couldn't give a rip about Facebook -- it's one of those necessary evils i have to have but hate.
- Karoli
Robert: Does Seesmic do the same thing as Tweetie in terms of redundancy?
- Frankie Warren
Nitin: if I got everyone in the world to use Seesmic Desktop why will we need Twitter? Not to mention, why will you pay for "pro" version of Twitter or look at any of its advertising?
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. I said the same thing about tweetie desktop and friendfeed
- Christian Anderson
AIR apps are a mess, but from an HCI point of view, and from a technical point of view. Native apps please. Tweetie is wonderful.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Oooh - I can buy Robert out? ;-) More to my plan for world domination...
- Jesse Stay
Jason... yes, native apps, OR web apps.
- LogEx
You're not going to make everyone use Seesmic Desktop, you'll pry Nambu from my cold dead fingers.
- Joshua Lee
Karoli: I think it's funny you write off Facebook. Looking at the two streams side by side Facebook's is a lot better. There are far better quality people on Facebook in my account than there are on Twitter for the most part. Plus on Facebook there are 225 million. On Twitter? 30 million.
- Robert Scoble
You could twitpay Robert a buck to buy his silence.
- Louis Gray
Robert, your enthusiasm is infectious, but the hyperbole is still a little on the high side...I think Tweetie is an excellent app. I like Loic and Seesmic desktop but won't use it. I use Tweetie for my desktop app now, and it still needs some tweaking.
- Karoli
Robert, I don't write it off. I just hate it.
- Karoli
Joshua: what if Nambu, Seesmic Desktop, Tweetie, and TweetDeck made their own database?
- Robert Scoble
For me, in terms of signal, FriendFeed trumps Facebook which trumps Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Sounds more like someone doesn't like twitter very much.
- Mac Sharp
I agree with Jason. AIR apps look so unnatural. Usability is nil
- Bogdan Costea
The first thing I would do to Facebook is nuke the frackin' IQ app.
- Karoli
Friendfeed is excellent in a browser, but Twitter is awful on the web. Twitter really needs Tweetie.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Karoli: hyperbole is what gets people to engage and think differently.
- Robert Scoble
I don't suppose Seesmic's secret plan might happen to involve an open alternative to Twitter on the back end, would it? If it's a threat to Twitter in that it allows people to use Twitter, Facebook, or FriendFeed interchangeably as a back end protocol...sure... yeah... I can see that. If the idea is Seesmic could swap out their own network? Bah. Don't buy it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, as long as we're clear on the motive, I'm good.
- Karoli
But after all,it is just a client for Twitter and Facebook.
- Steve Chou
from IM
Tweetie is practically the only reason I even feel bad about leaving Twitter
- James Poling
for Windows users bDule is looking to be a serious contender .. still needs work but like Seesmic Desktop it's an alpha
- Steven Hodson
Ryo: have you tried the new Seesmic? I like it as much as Tweetdeck at minimum.
- Robert Scoble
I have moved from TweetDeck to Seesmic Desktop. I am here on FriendFeed, just b/c you invited me to come discuss :) Also, did anyone using SDT notice that you can set up numerous active search columns and you don't hit API limits. thinking that TD used API count for everything from Profile view to search columns? Don't quote me, I'm drinking. LOL.
- Zaneology
Zane: heheh!
- Robert Scoble
Louis, done - Robert, $1 your way via Twitpay and Amazon Payments ;-)
- Jesse Stay
7. It let's you give up all your system resources in a single bound.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
James: there's a new version of Tweetie coming.
- Robert Scoble
i learn so much from being on friendfeed and reading all these brilliant threads! thank u scoble!
- Jason Pollock
I think it's funny how people are writing Seesmic Desktop off as just a Twitter client. It's set up to be so much more all you have to do is look at everything Twhirl had built into it. Freindfeed, Laconi.ca, Seesmic, Twitter, and Identi.ca. It wouldn't be to hard to create a redundant system for it using Laconi.ca.
- Jimminy Fuller
James: and the real battle will be over search. Imagine what Seesmic Desktop can do with comparative searches between Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Rahsheen ++++
- Karoli
Has anyone tried PeopleBrowsr ?
- Zaneology
YES LOVE SEESMIC DESKTOP! B U T ...... it does take a WHOPPING amount of memory for such a small app... at present, I have a dual core 4gb RAM PC... and Seesmic desktop is taking: 98,456k ... actually more than OUTLOOK and EXPRESSION WEB! so... it is good, but maybe this is an Adobe AIR thing of course rather than Seesmic... hey lets face it, Adobe hardly have compact low memory code do they? like the idea.. but because of the memory, cannot justify using it.
- David Sheardown
James: exactly. Zane I like PeopleBrowsr too.
- Robert Scoble
i still think that all this talk of the next thing that everyone will move to is a bit premature... twitter will continue to dominate for some time
- Jason Pollock
Scoble: are you inferring that it will support friendfeed?
- James Poling
But if twitter is down,those clients can do nothing
- Steve Chou
James: Loic says that friendfeed support is coming to Seesmic Desktop. I'll keep bugging him until he does it anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I can't agree more. I'm still using Twhirl for it's filter feature. I can filter my stream so nicely with it to extract data I want.
- Jimminy Fuller
the general public is still getting used to twitter.. us geeks can talk about the next thing until we're blue in the face but its going to be all about twitter for a while and I think we all know it:)
- Jason Pollock
Jason: don't be so sure. Remember a few years ago MySpace was on top of the world. Twitter will probably pass MySpace next year.
- Robert Scoble
To get back to your thesis, the only thing that can kill Twitter is Twitter.
- Christian Anderson
A client is redundant if the service(s) no longer exist! That is like a "chicken or the egg" discussion.
- Allan Besselink
Robert: Told him to make a better user interface by the way,I still don't like Seesmic too much.
- Steve Chou
Robert: I can't wait to see how Loic integrates it into SD. It's much more complicated to fit into that platform than Twhirl's.
- Jimminy Fuller
Robert: i agree that it will be a few years tho.. and by the time twitter is on the decline who knows what will be out by then!
- Jason Pollock
Jason: the general public is going to start seeing that search is very important for them to find people talking about things they care about. I can see a world where Seesmic's search will be better than even friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I tried seesmic desktop for a view minutes but it was so not intuitive that I quit trying it.
- rick
Loic ignores serious usability issues. I'm not optimistic for him.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Twitter is indeed becoming more popular, I saw a feature on network news about it. If something like twitter is noticed by mainstream media, it's already passed the threshold of being not just for geeks long ago.
- Joshua Lee
Jason: Seesmic Desktop is much more usable than it used to be.
- Robert Scoble
I just installed the latest version
- Jason Wehmhoener
same mess
- Jason Wehmhoener
Lets say all the twitter clients work together to build a common database in laconi.ca.. Will we still need twitter?
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
PeopleBrowsr seems quite unintuitive to me.
- Chuck Baggett
robert: i agree that real-time search is the the wave of the future and it is the reason that twitter is so dominant right now... too bad the twitter search is always down.. lol.. im definitely going to download the new seesmic right now tho!:)
- Jason Pollock
I'm not sure why adobe air twitter apps are so popular, native apps are much more usable and use less resources.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: track is the key.
- Karoli
Robert, don't all these sources just scream out for common interface pipes? Isn't that the key? Seems like we'll see more and more Tweetdecks, Seesmics, FF, FB Thwirls and Tweeties, all of which will have their pluses, but they all gotta' pass data and interact, like multiple networking protocols going thru a router...right?
- Michael Metz
Twitter has a history of killing it's most popular features. How long until they kill real-time search?
- Christian Anderson
Karoli: track is coming.
- Robert Scoble
If I hear "track" one more time I'm going to scream
- Jesse Stay
Christian: they won't kill realtime search. It's the only way they have of monitising twitter.
- Joshua Lee
/me passes Jesse some Valium
- Steven Hodson
I have track - it's called TweetBeep
- Jesse Stay
Christian: I think they already did ;) try searching for something you've said recently.
- Frankie Warren
Jesse: track, track TRACK
- Karoli
Karoli can I twitpay you a dollar as well?
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Frankie is right. Twitter's search is horrid.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is getting more friendly on system resources with each build - now it will run for days with the very small increase in memory over time
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twitter is technically mediocre in general, it proves that if you have a good concept, the technical execution is secondary. Unfortunately.
- Joshua Lee
Jesse, sure. :)
- Karoli
I seriously doubt that Seesmic Desktop is going to kill Twitter. Besides the people talking on here now, how many people even know what Adobe AIR is? Or what Seesmic is? Look how slow people were to find out about Twitter. I am pulling for FriendFeed:)
- Shawn Hickman
I still am a little lost... what do these companies gain by building their own phantom networks behind twitter? It's not like they can just flip the switch off on twitter and expect to keep their users. As it stands, twitter is the only thing that links all these different clients.
- Frankie Warren
I love Friendfeed, but i admit...i do not like the name. :)
- Karoli
I actually just switched to it today. Though I wish they would do some interface tweaks, but I'm sure they will over time. Able to move the tweetbox around, and be able to take the menu on the right and make it tabs on the top. Just simplify it a bit.
- Dean Clark
Joshua: the most important thing about social networks is "are the people I want to follow on it?" Nothing else really matters that much. But once they are, watch the tide move.
- Robert Scoble
Shawn: I agree with you, I tried to tell my sister, who just joined twitter, to use a client. She emailed me back like I was some kind of geek! (Well, I am.)
- Joshua Lee
our goal isn't to "kill" Twitter with Seesmic Desktop - but rather to allow you to read/use Twitter along side other sources
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Search is pretty broken right now. when they have trouble scaling, they just kill off whatever functionality is holding them up. Twitter may just become email at some point in the near future.
- Christian Anderson
Twitter is getting easier and easier by the day to compete with - look at us here on FriendFeed. We're not talking about it on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Web Apps are the future, downloading will become a thing of the past
- Shawn Hickman
Christian, e-mail is more reliable than Twitter - please no
- Jesse Stay
The big thing slowing down FriendFeed integration is their own API (note: that's my personal opinion and not my bosses :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie, I can see some real advantages to building a phantom network behind Twitter. Starting with not having to rely on Twitter and the somewhat arrogant heads of Twitter who do not give a rip about their users.
- Karoli
Mike: actually the friendfeed team itself told me that. They know they need to simplify the API. I wonder when we'll see that?
- Robert Scoble
Mike, from what I've seen FriendFeed's API is actually more advanced than Twitter's. It's just missing one or two crucial methods.
- Jesse Stay
Christian: Yes, Twitter search is dead. Currently hours missing off the top and after 18 days everything disappears. It's a horrible situation for them.
- Jimminy Fuller
robert: hopefully very soon - there is a lot of movement to happen when that appears
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I can't tell Twitter to only give me certain pieces of data from a user's profile, for instance. I can do that with FriendFeed. They're much more prepared for API scalability than Twitter is, even now.
- Jesse Stay
Mike: what do you do at Seesmic?
- Robert Scoble
robert: ops, messaging (xmpp), infrastructure
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: awesome. I can't wait until you have friendfeed. That will seal the deal for you guys. Then it's just going to be a race to see who builds the best search display.
- Robert Scoble
robert: (again my personal opinion on SD - I'm a user like you all in this regard) I agree, it's the ability to see and manipulate the various streams that is killer, so not having FF is the pink elephant in the room
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
mentions of 'compete'/'kill' in certain contexts in the comments here sounds kind of petty, encouraging some backwards cut-throat sadomasichism. web 2.0's focus on social networks has facets of co-existence and is mutually beneficial in complementing services. everybody is not necessarily out to kill each other, imo.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Karoli... they would still have to rely on twitter right? Things will get crazy confusing if the applications cant talk to each other. Imagine if verizon phones couldnt call cingular phones and you had to worry about who had what handset... thats where theres a problem with having a Seesmic Network, a Tweetie network etc. EDIT: woah i just said cingular haha
- Frankie Warren
blackfeathers: whenever you see me use the word "kill" it means to take over the momentum.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, Twitter is broken. We were all here a year ago when Twitter's uptime was like 50%. Still, we stayed. Why? Because the people we wanted t follow were there. And people like Jesse were buuling kick ass sticky apps. I don't see that changing.
- Christian Anderson
Being able to use the local twitter search to see tweets within however many miles of a location would be nice *hint* *hint* *hint* That seems to be a part of twitter search many air apps still don't support.
- Dean Clark
Christian: me neither. Although there's a new usage model that is in play that Twitter has not locked up. Especially around search and zeitgeist display.
- Robert Scoble
Christian - thanks for the compliment. Not sure what you mean by sticky though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: once you start using SocialToo you can't stop.
- Robert Scoble
Dean: Local search would be the shit. It really needs to be implemented
- Shawn Hickman
Let's make a rule right now. Kill = lose momentum leader status. That is what we mean when we say "kill"
- Christian Anderson
Jesse: that's sticky. I call Facebook "velcro" because it has so much sticking power and lots of little hooks that lock you in.
- Robert Scoble
@Mike Taylor .. can we *please* be able to resize the main display panel .. PLEASE
- Steven Hodson
I thought FriendFeed was kind of meh, I didn't realize it had this realtime comment feature. I'll have to use it more often.
- Joshua Lee
Robert: Unless you're me. I cannot abide all those little sticky velcro stupid things.
- Karoli
Joshua: there's a lot of things in friendfeed that lots of Twitterers have no clue about.
- Robert Scoble
Ah - thanks again then Christian - that's quite a compliment! We won't be supporting just Twitter for long though, although if Twitter keeps breaking it keeps giving us new things to do to fix it. :-(
- Jesse Stay
Steven: trust me, I have my own list of UI issues that I remind the SD devs of weekly ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Karoli: oh, really? So if someone tags you in a photo on Facebook you don't look?
- Robert Scoble
Not that I underestimate FB. I don't. It's why I have a presence there. I just HATE. IT.
- Karoli
@Mike Taylor .. well at least I know I'm not alone then :)
- Steven Hodson
Robert, no...I'm the chick behind the camera
- Karoli
I just don't believe in support applications that are unnecessarily hogs as far as memory goes. Yes AIR apps tend to be on the larger size, but look at DestroyTwitter. John Hallman manages to get his AIR client to consume less than 70MB of memory.
- Alex Knight
Karoli: you're a better man than I am then. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Steven: also, if you twitter to @seesmic - our customer team tracks all of the suggestions and gets them to the UI Devs
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: you should open a friendfeed room, too. It's even better than Twittering @seesmic.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: I have a suggestion, make it look more native on OS X. We Mac users are interface consistency geeks.
- Joshua Lee
Alex - one of the things that bit all of the Air devs in the ass recently was the memory leak caused by the xml parser IIRC - now that was a fun one
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
have not try the seesmic desktop... They are the best if they manage to serve local context too.. (Twitter & Friendfeed, not the 3rd party)
- Pico Seno
They just did. The Mac buttons are now in their standard place on top of the window left.
- Robin Good
Joshua - they are already doing that in small increments - notice the window chrome items changes recently
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'll have to take another look, especially if you add friendfeed.
- Joshua Lee
Robert - If our customer support guy hasn't already I will make sure he does
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I'm a TweetDeck fan, despite the memory suck on my computer. Tweetie is nice on the iPhone, like new Twitterrific better. Seesmic desktop and Tweetie desktop are just OK.
- Geoff Peterson
Robert, love your velcro example - thanks for the clarification
- Jesse Stay
Mike: cool, I just added you to my secret group for discussing the 2010web.
- Robert Scoble
robert: wow - thanks
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wild 164 comments in 32 minutes. I guess I touched a nerve.
- Robert Scoble
You bet, Jesse. You and your app building Ilk have played a huge part in making Twitter what it is today.
- Christian Anderson
Robert: either that or you trolled a bit, in a positive way. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Scoble: at the risk of sounding presumptuous can I join in on that 2010web conversation?
- James Poling
Joshua: I was mostly trolling Loic who hasn't shown up yet, which makes it even funnier.
- Robert Scoble
lol secret group... you know how to work this stuff ;)
- Frankie Warren
Robert - that's why i popped in - I know he is doing some family stuff so he's offline right now
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Frankie and Joshua: soon, soon!
- Robert Scoble
Frankie: it has to be an elite group in order for 2010web to become a buzzword, from clique to chic. It's the new pardigm. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
Mike, I hear a blank AIR app sucks up 20MB. If that's true Adobe has some work to do.
- Alex Knight
Joshua: I hated the name "Web 2.0" and am trying to head off the next thing being called "Web 3.0."
- Robert Scoble
Alex - yep - your preaching to the choir on that one :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, we don't need x.0 - definitely.
- Joshua Lee
2010web .. hmmmm
- Steven Hodson
Mike: thanks for filling in for Loic. His ears must be burning, or will be soon.
- Robert Scoble
i like it (2010 web) just because of the Arthur C Clarke memories it brings up
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert 2010web is too soon you should have gone with 2013web, just past the apocalypse.
- Jimminy Fuller
2010web sounds interesting, but it limits the buzzword for one year.
- Joshua Lee
Getting to the topic at hand, how is a Twitter client a threat to Twitter?
- Alex Knight
hey lets start a 2011 web secret place:)
- Michael Metz
yes thanks Mike and if you open a Friendfeed room add me in please
- Steven Hodson
James: I disagree. Most businesses have sites that look like 1994 so 2010 will be very useable for a long time.
- Robert Scoble
good point Robert
- Steven Hodson
Plus, I always hated the version numbers because the Web doesn't have a version. it's more fashion, like cars.
- Robert Scoble
Well im late (in the half hr this has been posted), but i will say that which ever client has the most interesting and frequent updates will prevail, so this debate could go on and on
- Chris Nwakalo
And it upgrades constantly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: because these clients secretly piggyback and make their own redundant networks that some think will be able to free the clients of their dependency on twitter. (did i get that right? ;))
- Frankie Warren
Nambu updates fairly frequently. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Hey, Robert - it's Yama - I'll be starting a friendfeed room in a bit, but loving the stream here
- jyamasaki
I'm trying to get businesses to see that if they are using the 1994 web they'll look pretty lame if their competitors are using the 2010 one.
- Robert Scoble
yes. Real-time web might be akin to cold fusion. Guesing vertical and local are the next waves on the web.
- Christian Anderson
Anyway, that's all off topic, back to Seesmic and TweetDeck and Tweetie and all the rest. If they all worked together they could totally take away Twitter's air supply.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is definitely on the cusp of something massive. I'm afraid their infrastructure will quickly crumble though. They haven't even figured out a way to make money yet.
- Alex Knight
i kind of agree w/ james fuller. there's something too gimmicky w/ all the symmetric number schemes up to 12-12-12 - just for the sake of removing oneself from it, 2013 makes sense to me as a new starting point.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I find it interesting that many people are willing to pay or donate to developers making Twitter clients. No one donates to Twitter heh.
- Alex Knight
blackfeathers: if you are appealing to early adopters and developers you are probably right. I'm trying to appeal to normal business people. They understand that the 2010 automobiles are just now shipping (my 2010 Prius should be here next week) and so if they want to get a modern web site they will understand that they need 2010web technologies. 2013 is too esoteric and future thinking for normal people.
- Robert Scoble
Considering how long from the infamous O'Reilly web 2.0 conference to it becoming a popular buzzword web 2.0 became, maybe 2010 is a bit too soon in the future. I'm not sure why I'm trying to help with this buzzword though, considering how much I hate them. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Robert: How would the clients make it clear what networks you're talking to and who actually is able to see your content? For example, If Joe is Twitter+Seesmic and I'm Twitter+Tweetie.... when twitter goes down I can no longer speak to joe...
- Frankie Warren
Alex: that's because Twitter treats us like crap and has $30 million in the bank.
- Robert Scoble
Loic is well positioned to win because he has an honest to God team working on this. They got in early and they've kept a break-neck innovation pace.
- Christian Anderson
Twitter is a platform, Friendfeed and Tweetdeck are apps. Well , Twitter does have a native app, but it sucks big time. I think it's a matter of months that the mainstream twitter users will realize that and there will be a huge explosion in twitter apps usage.
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie - that's a routing-around-failure problem that is keeping me up at night to be honest - when I think of what will be needed to do that
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ok, I have to go to bed. One last though before I go, one of the reasons Seesmic Desktop is huge is because it pulls your virtual social life back into one location that can exist on you desktop, and makes it easy to manage from it's interface.
- Jimminy Fuller
its no threat at all - as twitter knows perfectly well, the Platform is everything! Seesmic isn't the platform and never can be as its desktop based
- Anthony Feint
Yeh, that was abit offtopic
- Kirill Bolgarov
Frankie: in Seesmic Desktop I can tell which Window is showing me Facebook and which one is showing me Twitter. Why couldn't I be shown that I can have more features with other people who are on Seesmic Desktop?
- Robert Scoble
Oh suuure Scoble, get me on Friend Feed and already you've declared it passe?
- Brett Schulte
Robert - They should spend the $29 million on their infrastructure and leave the last million to pay salaries :P
- Alex Knight
Robert, is there a way to do a date range search in FF?
- Gary Gannon
Brett: heheh. There's a method to my madness. When I started getting into friendfeed Twitter took off. So, I figured I better find the next big thing so friendfeed could take off. Seesmic Desktop is it!
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I hear the team already took a lot off the table.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: that's why the management isn't in a big hurry to sell Twitter. They already have "FU money."
- Robert Scoble
Gogii is the next Twitter according to @drew... I like it.
- Brett Schulte
I still don't think an app could be the next big thing,after all platform rules.
- Steve Chou
Brett: hmmm. Why?
- Robert Scoble
Mike: do you see like Robert in that you can make a separate network that acts as a Twitter+
- Frankie Warren
Steve: Seesmic Desktop IS a platform.
- Robert Scoble
In all honesty it's easy to bash Twitter's infrastructure when you aren't in their shoes. I know our own company has gone through a ton of growing pains in the past 14 years.
- Alex Knight
Alex: Twitter was crashing when I had 1,000 followers. It's always sucked.
- Robert Scoble
Blackfeather: I'm glad you like the idea, but now I'm seeing Robert's point. The 2010web is constantly changing just like model years. You want to release next years big thing now.
- Jimminy Fuller
Gogii is SMS based and more universal, and allows custom groups.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie - I can't say to be honest one way or the other
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I remember about 2 months that Twitter wasn't crashing in some form or another, when I first started using it
- Jesse Stay
Ff on the iPhone is not handling this string very well.
- Christian Anderson
Mike: Tweetie is using its network of 200,000 people to do lots of interesting things and will be doing more when they roll out their new version.
- Robert Scoble
This is the problem with FriendFeed... 200+ comments from one post. There needs to be a way to flag comments from different users in different ways.
- Jay McCormack
Back in the ole days of twitter when you had to walk 15 miles in the snow, barefoot, in order to tweet...
- Dean Clark
Mike: it'd be interesting to see if you guys choose to make your own database to add even more features. Like location and better search and "offline availability" for when Twitter is down.
- Robert Scoble
i don't know why exactly -perhaps it was the pager days- that makes me see it as yesterday. i skip sms if i can help it.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
robert - understood - I just can't say or comment on anything we are planning or not planning - loic and marco would personally come stomp me into a furry puddle ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
You're right Robert, shit programming is shit programming. It's no excuse to not plan/develop scalable infrastructure. Our company is suffering now because all of our internal systems were writing 14 years ago by a bunch of n00bs.
- Alex Knight
Robert: I'm sure you're not at liberty to say.... but it seems counter productive that seesmic and tweetie race to get an install base of twitter clients to have their own network gain a critical mass... shouldnt they work together :) Or am I being naive again
- Frankie Warren
Jay: I don't see this as a problem. I see it as a benefit.
- Shawn Hickman
Am I the only one that would like to see threaded comments or would that get way too messy?
- James Poling
Seesmic was interesting but I just can't stand listening to the French guy.
- Brett Schulte
Frankie: I wish they would work together.
- Robert Scoble
Brett: heheheh. That's Loic.
- Robert Scoble
brett - well, you can listen to the German guy if you want - he's the Seesmic Desktop lead
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
FWIW, I love Tiny Twitter on my Blackberry. So much nicer than Twitter Berry
- ursi
Robert: He really should get a spokesman people can understand.
- Brett Schulte
@James .. threaded comments FTW!
- Steven Hodson
James: threaded comments would be fun here. I'd love to add graphics and video in here too, but it sure would get messy.
- Robert Scoble
Just say it, Robert. As a former Microsoft employee, you should be able to explain to everyone in three little words how Seesmic Desktop/Tweetie/insert_thirdparty_app_here can successfully kill Twitter should it gain a critical mass of users: "EMBRACE. AND. EXTEND." I'm 26 and even I remember the browser wars. Seriously. Scoble's right on this one.
- Andrew Feinberg
+ for threaded comments, this is hard to follow. Friendfeed should add to their UI and it should highlight comments that mention you.
- Alex Knight
"Even I remember the browser wars" - feeling ancient.
- Brett Schulte
james fuller: considering the target audience & the purpose then it would make sense currently. perhaps i'm thinking of time in a scalable sense of passage.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Andrew: yes, embrace and extend. Tweetie showed me the light. Seesmic is doing similar things with Facebook and Twitter (I have groups in Seesmic Desktop).
- Robert Scoble
I wish there was a button for commenting at the very bottom of this post. I don't like scrolling back up to comment.
- Jimminy Fuller
Alex: follow? Just click the time stamp and stare at the screen!
- Robert Scoble
Nobody remember the losers.
- Steve Chou
James: if you click the time stamp it will open a new window up where the comment window will be at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
James: pop out the window via the time stamp?
- Frankie Warren
Didn't you use to be big on Twitter Scoble? :)
- Brett Schulte
Robert: Thank you this is so much better.
- Jimminy Fuller
@Brett you should see the crowds he draws in Japan
- Andrew Feinberg
@Brett he used to be big on Facebook too :)
- Steven Hodson
Brett: a very large PR firm told me I have a more engaged audience than Oprah. So, who said I'm still not big on Twitter?
- Robert Scoble
Steven: He's not still big on Facebook? Could've fooled me.
- Karoli
Brett: It gave birth to this chaos.
- Frankie Warren
Does anyone think Twitter buying out one of the big Twitter client products would be good for them?
- Alex Knight
Alex: that would be stupid for a platform company to do.
- Robert Scoble
Alex - even better, Facebook buying out one of the big Twitter clients
- Jesse Stay
@Alex: No. They can barely keep up with their own internal architecture.
- Andrew Feinberg
I think Twitter's plan is to offer premium features like advanced search, tracking, analytics, and bringing back the @ replies everyone complained about recently. They won't give this all away for free.
- Geoff Peterson
Alex: Twitter effectively killed all tiny URL innovation by partnering with bit.ly.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I think they need to be bought
- Shawn Hickman
Robert I think you said it right there - the only way to truly compete with Twitter as a Twitter developer is to become Twitter
- Jesse Stay
Shawn: but the minute Twitter buys one the other companies know it's over and they'll move their code to a different system.
- Robert Scoble
Do they have a written partnership with bit.ly or did they just switch due to analytics?
- Dean Clark
Robert you coming down for e3?
- Brett Schulte
Dean: from what I understand it's a written partnership. Bit.ly is even on the same datacenter as Twitter is now.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: is that like the scene in Highlander where Sean Connery teaches Christopher Lambert to "Feel the stag..."?
- Andrew Feinberg
Brett: I doubt it.
- Robert Scoble
Sure, someone should buy Twitter but who? I would say what Twitter is doing right now would be a good fit for Google.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, something like that, yeah :-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert: Agreed, but I meant I think they should be bought by another company
- Shawn Hickman
Alex: I talked with Twitter investor Fred Wilson on Thursday. He said that Ev really is adverse to selling.
- Robert Scoble
Ok call me a newbie, but why would it be a bad thing for Twitter to purchase atebits (tweetie)? Wouldn't that just be like hiring people to make their own client? Or is that bad because Twitter should only be focusing on Twitter, and not clients for Twitter?
- Colin
Robert, to your point about search, I would offer this: Even a powerful search isn't enough. There has to be filters. Tracking my name even gives wonky results without filters.
- Karoli
Ok, interesting. Yeah written partnership would certainly kill some people trying to innovate. Few out of work people I think will give you different things a try though, certainly won't be see as widely though since short links are a mainstream feature now.
- Dean Clark
So is Twitter's revenue plan to slowly remove the most popular features and then start selling them back to people?
- James Poling
I heard Robert is buying Twitter
- Jesse Stay
wow, it's been a while since I've been in such a fun tech discussion. I've missed you, FriendFeed!
- Andrew Feinberg
No, Twitter bought Robert. ;)
- Brett Schulte
Karoli: search is equal to filters in my mind.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - EV may not want to sell Twitter, but it may have to happen in the not so distant future. We'll see though.
- Alex Knight
The obvious choice would be google to purchase Twitter, but I'm sure others could work well too
- Shawn Hickman
it's also possible for another company going down to buy twitter for its upward momentum, but maybe not likely.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Brett, no, I just bought Robert - did you see my Twitpay?
- Jesse Stay
I bought his puppet, too
- Jesse Stay
@James: there was no plan. that would acknowledge they added features knowing they'd be popular, and therefore would have built them better.
- Andrew Feinberg
Alex: Ev doesn't have to sell. What's forcing him to sell? I don't see it.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: friendfeed is fun once in a while when you get a topic that rocks and rolls like this one.
- Robert Scoble
Seesmic Desktop is Dead
- Bwana ☠
Andrew: but the real power in friendfeed is in the real time search engine here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - Nothing at all... but the future is untold. He may not have to sell now but it may become a good move in the future.
- Alex Knight
Haha Bwana!
- invariant - farewell FF
LOL @Bwana
- Alex Knight
I heard Google is buying Seesmic Desktop
- Jesse Stay
Bwana makes me laugh.
- Robert Scoble
i do like the search engine. I use it to track current event reactions. I just rarely get engaged.
- Andrew Feinberg
Jesse NOW THAT would be interesting!
- Robert Scoble
I just heard a rim shot coming from Bwana
- Alex Knight
You heard it hear first (might as well claim it)
- Jesse Stay
ergo seesmic desktop is the new rss? lol
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Robert: Conversation you can see is the real power of FriendFeed. Not the disjointed conversation on Twitter.
- Geoff Peterson
bwana - any more lebron pain for you tonight?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Maybe FriendFeed should buy Twitter or the other way around
- Shawn Hickman
So how does Seesmic make money... or does it not?
- Colin
Tweetie is making money.
- Colin
Why don't we all just pitch in and buy them both. How many users between the two?
- Jesse Stay
Colin - Seesmic desktop makes money from other services I believe.
- Alex Knight
Colin: sell a pro version. I'd pay for a version that had friendfeed integration, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
@Jesse. Nice bring me in as an investor
- Christian Anderson
bear - no, I'm somewhat over it...until I turn the TV on
- Bwana ☠
Christian, might still be expensive at what it seems Twitter's asking for
- Jesse Stay
well, I'm off to bed. This was fun, see ya in the morning!
- Robert Scoble
I heard the LDS church is buying the LHC from CERN and using it to go back in time so they can buy Twitter, add everyone's tweets to their genealogical databases and use that to target ads better than google, AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD AHAHAHAHAHA. Right, Jesse? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
Seesmic desktop runs on AIR. I refuse to use it for that reason.
- nick
Robert I thought you were going to kill Gilmore - you got pretty hot.
- Brett Schulte
Robert: the average person does not equate search/track/filters . Look at Google usage for examples
- Karoli
Colin - I paid for my Tweetie licence but also donated $18 to DestroyTwitter. Love supporting great developers.
- Alex Knight
Andrew, I think my head just exploded
- Jesse Stay
Brett: he can't kill Gillmor. Two would pop up to take his place.
- Andrew Feinberg
hahahaha
- Brett Schulte
Good night. 330 comments. Wild.
- Robert Scoble
Way to be Alex, this stuff isn't free to make.
- Colin
@Jesse: so you don't deny it? :-)
- Andrew Feinberg
fun discussion. The pug insists I leave it. Good night all.
- Karoli
Good night - happy weekend!
- Brett Schulte
Andrew, that one I'll let you make your own conclusions on :-)
- Jesse Stay
(I somehow forgot to work Louis Gray into the conspiracy. But we all know he's there. The question is who will play him in the movie starring Tom Hanks as Ev and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Scoble)
- Andrew Feinberg
/me wanders off to dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think Microsoft should buy Twitter and make their own Twitter client and implement Microsoft Bob to help you tweet!
- Alex Knight
and don't forget the CGI "Clippy" voiced by Chris Rock
- Andrew Feinberg
Microsoft kills almost every business they bought.
- Steve Chou
from IM
@Steve Chou - Google's record isn't much better really
- Steven Hodson
(too bad Don LaFontaine isn't alive to record a trailer voiceover for Ron Howard's "Twitter/Friendfeed" techno-thriller)
- Andrew Feinberg
So I need a who special box to run seesmic? *rollseyes* So it's like on of those Bloomberg boxes that investment firms have clicking away? And where in my already oversized backpack am I supposed to carry this Seemic machine?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: the bloomberg software can run on any laptop now. but you need a special smartcard with a fingerprint reader that reads a barcode off the screen at the same time.
- Andrew Feinberg
I'm going to look so cool taking up 4 tables in the coffee shop to run all the shit I'm supposed to be running to be truely plugged in....
- Matthew DeVries
@Matthew ROFLMAO .. just like the rest of the cool kids at Starbucks :)
- Steven Hodson
That? That's the PS3 and HDTV just so i can watch Qor.
- Matthew DeVries
I'm going to sit down and deal 5 notebooks out of my back pack like a Baccarat shoe.
- Matthew DeVries
Wow 350 comments. What a massive comment stream. The comment feature makes a huge diff. It facilitates conversation, which twitter doesn't really provide.
- Lawrence Di Stefano
from Nambu
What Twitter's at threat!? It has the momentum of an unstoppable train, as to Seesmic being a threat - maybe, unfortunately it's irrelevant.
- sofarsoShawn
I dumped Tweetdeck after the last Seesmic release. They have such an insane release schedule I don't think people can grasp how difficult it is to roll out the kind of releases they have done back to back.Their version stream just tells me they have bank behind them. When you work from different boxes I don't love the tethered feel of Seesmic however.
- Chad Harris
there is potential for all these services (twitter, Friendfeed, facebook etc) to become secondary to the apps. The more services there are, the greater the need to bring them back together again.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Chad: agree, there is something about SD that I'm not a fan of, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Seems to have lost something from Twhirl somehow
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scoble: Can you disclose publicly here that you are not on a pay roll by Seesmic or Loic LeMeur? Don't you have a PR-advisory deal? Please disclose....
- nikolas
Mike Taylor: "dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed" <- that would be SO great ^__^ (with xdcc support included and stuff...)
- minus-one
Robert is high
- Alejandro
amazing 355 comments - learned a lot about Seesmic in rellation to twitter; thanks for sharing!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nikolas I have no such deal with Seesmic. I never have been paid by them. I have no investment in them. I don't know where you got that idea but it is totally false.
- Robert Scoble
I just cannot bring myself to install one more thing on my computer to take up needed RAM. Plus, I do not want to install anything on my work computer either...and like to just user browser things that I can use on any computer.
- Hummie
Scobleizer, Wait, Do I hence assume that your assertion is that friendfeed is no more (or, never was) a threat to twitter?
- Lakshman Prasad
Lakshman: Friendfeed I'd not a threat to Twitter, correct. That said it is a threat to http://search.twitter.com
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I like it but --- 1. it is a tool not a place, so i'll stick with FriendFeed as my means to "kill Twitter" and 2. it is a total whorish memory hog and i hate it when that happens.
- Thom Kennon
Yeah it's a memory hog
- Svartling
Robert: Seesmic definitely has potential, but I think that PeopleBrowsr has far more potential and far more power than Seesmic will ever have. As a power user, I'm quite surprised that you haven't taken that tool up, and replaced your Tweetdeck. And I would be surprised if you chose Seesmic to replace Tweetdeck. The search capabilities alone in PeopleBrowsr make me wonder this. Add to...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I would honestly say Seesmic Desktop is more of a threat to Friendfeed than Twitter
- Zee.
Rob: I need to try Peoplebrowsr again. When I first tried it it was too slow and complex.
- Robert Scoble
Zee: one major reason I also haven't gotten in Peoplebrowsr or Seesmic desktop is because, well, it is Adobe AIR and my iPhone doesn't run that (in Seesmic Desktop's case). In Peoplebrowser's case? It didn't do mobile last time I tried it. Friendfeed's search and realtime is keeping me going.
- Robert Scoble
I think we can all agree that twitter was just the first in a line of ever evolving systems in real time news, twitter is the oldest, and will probably be replaced eventually, but surely it doesn't help to keep jumping ship every few months, nothing seems to be gathering as much steam as friendfeed, and it offers huge improvements over twitter, I really think people do need to persist with one service... rather than constantly jumping
- Chris Lloyd
Robert the lack of mobile in PeopleBrowsr is valid, and it is complex, but the light mode makes it much more manageable to start using. The speed has considerably improved since you last used it. We'd love for you to try it again. The AIR version will import your groups from Tweetdeck. Please feel free to ask any questions you have. Jodee is on his way to California now for the conference this week. I hope that you'll have a chance sit down with him and see the improvements.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from f2p
augh, too many comments to absorb. just wanted to throw in my two cents, though. i started with twhirl, then tried out Seesmic Desktop, and then went back to twhirl because i was able to customize the font size for reading the tweets. maybe i didn't dig deep enough, but Seesmic doesn't have that option, and i find the print a wee bit too small for my liking.
- Starshadow Rivaulx
Wow Rob, you are an internet phenomenon. Someone tweeted me the link of this thread followed by "look at the moron, lol". Anyway: If twitter gets shut down, Seesmic will die. If Seesmic dies (gets shut down, w/e), it won't make a dent to twitter. Hence, you are wrong.
- H M Elius
I'm with @guruvan on this, PeopleBrowsr is way better than Seesmic Desktop as a power tool.
- Svartling
Svartling: Thanks! And, you can see by the via on this post, we already have FriendFeed support, and it will improve as well. And, with all the networks that we support, PeopleBrowsr isn't dependent on Twitter. Twitter access is surely the big slice, but we offer the ability to search Facebook, FriendFeed, Digg, Youtube, flickr, and even custom URLs. And, we provide access to Seesmic's network
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Loic is gonna love this
- David Lloyd
so I go offline for a few hours playing with the kids and Robert launches this conversation when I am quiet and away! Ah! that's fun. If you had written a blog post instead of a friendfeed entry it would definitely be the week-end techmeme headline! Competing with Twitter? Nah I would have to be seriously sick to even think about it. We are just delivering as fast as we can and growing...
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- Loic Le Meur
WOW, what a conversation that was!!
- Micky
Seriously. Robert...I think you just proved the value of (at least) FriendFeed forever more...(And Seesmic too of course!:-)...This is what I get for sleeping, eh?
- Alan Edgett
I still rather prefer Twhirl to Seesmic Desktop. (Twitter + Friendfeed) better than (Twitter + Facebook).
- Adrian Scicluna
The newest SD is much nicer than previous from a functional standpoint. I agree that FF support is a must (as well as Seesmic support). I still do not really like the UI, especially on my EEE PC, but even on the 24" monitor it is not as nice as TD. The functionality is better though so I have switched to SD. Really hoping to have the ability to rename saved searches, it is the searching which is so awesome after all.
- Sean Brady
Robert how about a video showing the features or another interview with Loic? Depraved for Content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Its PeopleBrowsr not Seesmic
- Webferret
So, what is this stuff from the top of the thread about Tweetie using their own servers? Little Snitch tells me that Tweetie for the Mac is communicating with twitter.com and s3.amazonaws.com. Robert?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason: sorry it was Twinkle. I messed up.
- Robert Scoble
It would sure be ironic if the 'openness' of Twitter's API killed them. As far as Seesmic goes, I wouldn't count on it emerging as the winner. I'm not impressed with it at all, most of the reasons being cited or commonly known. It has a lot of work to do before even attempting FriendFeed integration. I think Nambu has a lot of promise actually
- Angus Burton
Starshadow - I know that better font handling is on our short list - i'll go poke the devs to see if I can move it up a couple notches :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Loic: who cares about getting on Techmeme anymore? Not me. I'd rather just have an interesting conversation. Seems like a few people found it here.
- Robert Scoble
Looks to be the ase doesn't it. I was moving to TweetDeck/Twit but now thininking about exiting ofdf to Seesmic
- James Hemby
Robert, you've got me trying both FriendFeed and Seesmic now from this post. Soon enough I'll be on flttr , even.
- Raj Rikhy
Robert, I love TechMeme, I read it multiple times a day. I agree Friendfeed has very active users. Both are small groups on the web, if these groups are enough for you as a conversation, then yeah it's cool. Friendfeed definitely did not make me stop reading techmeme.
- Loic Le Meur
having said that, yes, Friendfeed is coming to Seesmic Desktop
- Loic Le Meur
Loic: I am inviting a bunch of Web innovators to a private room on friendfeed this weekend. It's amazing how many are already here and signed in. They might not be active, but they are active enough to accept my invitations! Watch for yours soon.
- Robert Scoble
Wow all these comments about seesmic! Well this got me really curious, until now I only used Tweetdeck,tried Peoplebrowser, didn't like it, will give Seesmic a chance now. Want to find out for my self, and once again thanks to friendfeed for these discussions!
- Jacob
I view Seesmic Desktop and Tweetdeck as almost next generation web browsers customized for the social web. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic evolves and how the traditional browsers like firefox will fit into the picture going forward.
- Mike Bracco
Loic: I would love to hear what you feel about my above statement and where you see SD fitting in long term/big picture perspective. If you have a link where you have already discussed this, can you send - thanks!
- Mike Bracco
Mike: agreed Loic "Bloomberg for Social media" sums it up perfectly. Also I am not a fan of peoplebrowser think Steamy is cleaner if you want to go untethered. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Chad: Thanks and makes total sense.
- Mike Bracco
Thanks also ment to type "Streamy" not steamy, thumbs need a diet :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
- Chad Harris
from email
Seesmic Desktop is too buggy for my liking... and I've tried to like it. Userlists are often completely incorrect... and randomly at that. I don't much care for any of the AIR apps. They just don't "feel" good.
- John
Robert: I'm curious - If Twitter decides to use advertising as part of their business model, how will apps like seesmic etc impact Twitter - if they block advertisements, which are displayed on the Twitter web page? If so many users won't see the ads, how will that hurt Twitter's model?
- Jim Connolly
LOL.
- Mona Nomura
damn! this thread is still going! scoble's threads are epic!
- Jason Pollock
Jim: the advertising money is in search. So, what happens if Seesmic Desktop does a metasearch that uses Twitter, Facebook, and friendfeed to present to you the best possible display? Wouldn't that hurt Twitter's ability to sell advertising? I think it would. The one who is in charge of the display controls where the ads go. The one who has the relationship with the user controls the...
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- Robert Scoble
I like Seesmic's functionality but really dislike the interface. It's all a little clunky and a little ugly. Plus the left panel takes up way too much space. Air apps aren't may fav. Seesmic should look at Tweetie on the mac for design ideas.
- Wo
How do you search Facebook on Seesmic?
- Wo
Didn't read all 400+ comments. Seesmic desktop is poopy compared to Nambu. Try Nambu.
- Jason Mayoff
from Nambu
Robert: I'm waiting on my invite :)
- James Poling
from email
does anyone know how many users are registered on friendfeed ? :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
It has 103.33 million accounts
- David Lloyd
cool thx mark
- Pretty Monkey Studio
can't believe this thread is still active
- Loic Le Meur
Wow this is still going on?? LOL
- Alex Knight
Jason - Nambu is crash happy, at least Seesmic Desktop doesn't crash.
- Alex Knight
This entire thread is silly and nonsensical. It's one thing to argue the merits of an interface's appearance, but the way this reads is like comparing an orange to orange juice. Seesmic Desktop is the orange juice to Twitter's orange; without the source, you can't have the juice. Or, is Loic planning to create a competing SNS?
- Ari Herzog
Ari... I think the point is you can now drink orange, apple, tomato and grape juice and it all tastes like the same juice. Things like this make 'where' less important than 'what'
- Johnny Worthington
Not the point, Johnny. If Twitter has one of its legendary fail whale attacks, it matters not what juice you're drinking since it ain't there.
- Ari Herzog
Hey Robert, you're attracting again heh!!! Had to take 2 days off after all the fun we had. I LOVE SD, btw.
- Myrna
Twine Is Taking Off, Now Bigger Than FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (pretty hard 2 believe)
- Ron Hagenhoff
+1 on hyperboles make you think. Just did a twitter search to measure the buzz around twitter clients: tweetie ~70 tweet per hour, tweetdeck ~150 tweet per hour and seesmic ~30 tweet per hour. But seesmic has $12M in the bank and a charismatic leader - It is going to be an interesting fight!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: TweetDeck also had a multi month lead over Seesmic. That's going to be tough to beat.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes. The challenge for Loic I think is going to be to carve out a market segment: 1) companies managing their brands and communities, 2) social media power users or 3) normal users. 1) is where the short term revenue is, 2) is where the vocal/buzz people are and 3) is where the mass and long term search revenue. I am not sure that you can design one product which will fit the...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
The future is in a desktop app? Everything else is going web-based, into the cloud, and yet for this alone users will flock to some resource-hog? No way, no how. Be web-based or be content to live with only early adopters.
- Maxwell Kennerly
I'm loving Seesmic desktop - i look forward to what adaptations it will make - I want that friend feed pull-in.
- Robert Freeze
The one thing that I have only seen in Nambu is the unread count. Might be missing something but it is just amazing for having searches in there, for mentions and direct messages. It's just wonderful. And is it not Air which security people will tell you is a major danger spot for hacking.
- Oliver Thylmann
Robert: Thanks for the feedback re Twitter's revenue model. Just a thought, but with this thread having (at this point) 425 comments - is there a chance that FRIENDFEED could be the real competition to Twitter? The quality is already here, just a 'little' light on numbers. Thoughts?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: I think there's something interesting happening here in search and in groups. Those are both places there's potential money, but a lot has to happen before that can happen.
- Robert Scoble
Only if we all get more expensive computers, webcams, etc.
- Prokofy Neva
Robert: Are you referring to FriendFeed needing more active users or for the actual FriendFeed platform to change?
- Jim Connolly
I dont know if Seesmic is a threat for Twitter, but I know Robert Scoble knows well how to create a hot thread.
- Jacque
Jacque: That's what I was thinking. :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Can someone please explain to me how you can search your facebook stream in Seesmic
- Wo
Ari: Not all of these clients are particularly susceptible to Twitter's failwhales. Many features still continue to work, often including search. Some of these clients have backends that cache/queue tweets so even more gets through. So it's not always like having no juice. Furthermore, if you're paying attention to multiple social networks, you're not as concerned or slowed down by one of them becoming inaccessible
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
I've been using Seesmic Desktop for about a week now. I absolutely love it. I have no use for Tweetdeck now. I sometimes use Hootsuite - mostly for their "Hootlet". But Seesmic Desktop is absolutely wonderful in managing my feeds.
- Curt Mercadante
*bumps*
- sofarsoShawn
We are on our way to interview http://www.uservoice.com . Got anything you want to know about them?
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this is a great company - I studied them for a while. A lot of boards, whether profit or not, can utlize this service for quick decision making purposes that are measurable in terms of votes. Also, the service allows the feeding to Twitter and allows for OpenID sign in with major platforms.
- iTbay
what other ventures they were involved in the past? Cool stories from users?
- Jadito
Brian: a few hundred. From what users have told me they help encourage new ideas and get people to participate.
- Robert Scoble
I would like to know what differentiates them from their competitors? And is there any sustainable advantage that they think they have?
- Malcolm Bastien
Just try it, and you will feel it's value immediately!
- Ryan Sit
Do you find it common courtesy when tweeting to leave a dozen or so characters free for retweeters?
Molly, Roozbeh, Jason Ellis and 17 other people liked this
YES. But that's assuming you actually wan to be retweeted. I'm not sure the litany of mainstream users who have joined really care much about the concept.
- Karrie Sullivan
I don't tweet much but I find myself trying to use all the available characters, much like I used to do when I first started texting. And that's not easy you know.
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
Wow, I never even thought about this... goes to show how much I know about twitter...
- Bindu Reddy
Only if I want an item to be retweeted. Otherwise, no.
- Admiral Anika
I like to leave 36 available characters so that it can be triple re-tweeted.
- Paul Buchheit
Seriously, Paul?
- Admiral Anika
nope - I mostly push to twitter and care less about rt
- mike "glemak" dunn
I pad mine out to 140 with 0's to prevent rt.
- Kelly Norton
WHY is there this limit? .. I say, lets post gadgets as pics on FF here, at least. :] ... why not?
- Petr Buben
No. If posting a link, I have a standard New Blog Post by @name: ShortURL. If I am posting text, I use up almost all 140 characters.
- Louis Gray
Yup. I often leave 14 chars so that retweeters don't have to squeeze my tweets.
- Matt Cutts
I always aim to make my tweet's as short as humanly possible. Partly so that people can RT if they want and partly because I just like simplifying what I've written to see how small I can get it
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
That's just way too much thinking for me. Plus, hard to imagine that anyone will retweet any of my stuff as it is so boringly focused on what's going on with my life.
- ♥patricia♥
Mostly, I tend to think about it the other way around. If I want to retweet something but have no space left to add any sort of intro or comment, how can I edit in a polite way without doing damage to the original?
- Kathy Fitch
yay, thank you for thinking of us RT'ers!! :) {{ HUG}}
- Susan Beebe
I don't really think about it, because I don't really ever consider my tweets worthy of retweeting, but that's good thought!
- Helen Sventitsky
just remember, Katie C says Twitter might be narcisstic, innane , uninteresting :]
- Petr Buben
I try to leave enough space for retweeting, but some messages just don't fit in 125 characters or less.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
No. Never presume that anything I tweet will be RTed. It's a functon of how I choose to use Twitter, i.e. mostly random.
- Sue Radd
I don't necessarily expect to be retweeted.
- Morton Fox
who would have thought that "PLS RT" is 6 characters I'm never getting back, never paying forward also...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
it's not common courtesy, it's smart self promotion. you want to make it easy for others to tell people about you.
- Ivan Kirigin
Not really, I get a happy little feeling whenever I hit 140 on the money!
- Jason Ellis
http://gawker.com/5168039... @dlprager wow what a way to get 18,000+ followers...i followed who else is with me?
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Announcing improved ways to connect, share, and be more open through Facebook. The Stream and Public Profiles: http://blog.facebook.com/blog...
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Japan Pledges To Halt Production Of Weirdo Porn That Makes People Puke - http://www.theonion.com/content...
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TOKYO—Acknowledging its embarrassment over worldwide outbreaks of violent, uncontrolled regurgitation, the Japanese government apologized Wednesday to the millions of viewers who have been sickened over the past three decades by the revolting depravity of the nation's pornographic exports. The response came after leaders of the world's 20 largest economies signed an accord threatening sanctions against Japan if international distribution of the nauseating materials did not immediately cease.
- Michael Forian
Re: Roll Call - do you have your twitter and facebook status tied together? why orwhy not? - http://www.seesmic.com/video...
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Morton Fox and Jadito liked this
yeah, I shove my tweets into Facebook, saves me going to Facebook then. One walled garden less.
- Ian May
Facebook forces me to use my real name, which I keep separate from my public online activities, so absolutely not.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
duck twitter
- Noah David Simon
Noah, I'd appreciate it if you didn't use that kind of language on my posts, k?
- Michael Forian
quack
- Noah David Simon
That's better.
- Michael Forian
FriendFeed was nominated for 3 Crunchies! Please vote for us in all three: http://crunchies2008.techcrunch.com/votes... http://crunchies2008.techcrunch.com/votes... http://crunchies2008.techcrunch.com/votes...
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Congrats!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Best Startup Founder(s)! :-)
- Kenny Stoltz
from twhirl
Whew, I'm glad I don't have to choose which founder in the "best founder" category.
- Casey Muller
Thx for the links Paul. Voted all three.
- Hutch Carpenter
voted for FriendFeed in all three. Good luck!
- Thomas Hawk
Woo Hoo!!!
- Sheila Taylor
Can vote once a day, it appears
- Christopher Galtenberg
Voted!
- Tyson Key
Well deserved noms. NOM NOM NOM NOMS!
- Josh Haley
done. good luck! Hope you win them all.
- Jim in Real Time
I would say "vote early and vote often", but that might be against the rules, so just vote now, and vote in all three categories :)
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: http://friendfeed.com/e... :-) 2/3 OK
- Erhan
Been voting for FF in * :)
- Christopher Golda
voted all three. love you.
- mama_ari
done. done. and. done.
- Morgan Haley
I voted!
- Shevonne
Voted all 3 FF but i don't get out too much as that was only one i used. Respect Jason's choices/rationale though.
- Steve C
Crunchie and Munchie way to go Friendfeeders!!!!
- Jason
Voted ... had to give some love to meebo and hulu too.
- Amani
Done!! And good luck in the Crunchies!
- George The Writer
Done, done and done.
- Bora Zivkovic
I loves me a little shameless begging for promotion. Voted.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I ran, I arrived and I voted! ; )
- Adriana
Voted; good luck.
- Type Micah
Voted in all three. Now to go from computer to computer around the office...
- Louis Gray
done :)
- Alex Gawley
Voted. By the way check out the FF pros and cons conversation: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- B2B Specialist
i tried to vote and it says i've already voted for someone in that category today, even though i hadn't. not sure why this is happening. could the site be registering votes from multiple users in the same household as votes from the same user?
- Jessie
I voted for FF in all three categories (but I arrived at this post via Google Reader. :))
- Sean McBride
I voted for all three, even though I have no idea what the criteria is for being a good startup founder. Y'all seem awfully nice and down to earth, so that's a good thing.
- Laura Norvig
Yay FriendFeed!
- Sarah Perez
I voted, I voted, and I voted. You better win, win, and win. Oh yeah, and kudos for the nominations!
- Pete Delucchi
I love Friendfeed... But I think user voting means Friendfeed is virtually guaranteed victory in all 3 categories. Friendfeed is a social app where you can reach out to most of its users and ask them for votes, something which the other nominees cannot do. For e.g. I seriously doubt whether most of the Dropbox users have even heard of something called the Crunchies.
- Nikhil Dandekar
Voted x 3! :)
- BeeLing
Voted and good luck guys!
- Mathieu Ayel
Voted all three)
- ‾\ (о_О) /‾
Voted :)
- Joe Dawson
Voted all three!
- Igor Poltavskiy
Voted!
- Meryn Stol
Vote again today! You can vote 24 hours after your last vote!
- Anne Bouey
Yeah but what about Netscape?
- david beckwith
Thanks for the tip Anne! Voted again! :-) FF rocks!
- vijay
oh? you can vote twice with different browsers?
- Thomas Hawk
voted!
- Jessie
I skipped on the 'Best Design" category
- LouCypher
that's it
- imades
CONGRATULATIONS FOR WINNING "BEST STARTUP" !!!!!!!!!!! yeah!!!!!!!! :)))))
- Susan Beebe
New 17" MacBook Pro! - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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I am getting a demo of something that will addict me much more than friendfeed in 2009. This is NOT good.
Nikpay, Jordi Soler, Russellreno and 65 other people liked this
I was waiting for something like that to come along. Something to replace FriendFeed for you?
- Mark Trapp
You tease.
- Steve Isaacs
Care to share what that might be?
- Michael Krigsman
Whatever it is must be seriously good.
- Gordon Saunders
What is that???
- Palak Mathur
I can't talk for a few weeks. But you will be addicted. I guarantee that.
- Robert Scoble
Wake me up when you're not embargoed.
- Akiva Moskovitz
And it doesn't replace twitter or friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
What is it? Give us the scoop
- streetforce1
Do tell. Wow, it's not even out yet and I'm getting addicted to it. You're right!
- Melik Yuksel
Interesting, no hints even
- Andrew Windham
tease
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Robert - will it do my laundry for me? AND fold it?
- Andy Sternberg
Uh oh. Do we need another intervention?!
- Daynah
By the way @god is in charge of the beta invites. So, you better follow God. Also MC Hammer is standing with me right now. He has a few invites to hand out soon too. @mchammer (say hi).
- Robert Scoble
Oy. As long as the addiction starts in mid-Feb, I'm game.
- Tamar Weinberg
I already know I'm not going to like it
- Bwana ☠
Spill it Scoble!
- Mike Flynn
Not the Hair-Ron?
- Christopher Harley
Hammer gave you crack?
- Andrew Smith
Is it bigger than a breadbox? Bigger than a Subaru?
- Rob Schieber
Mike: @god said I would go to hell if I broke embargo. He also said that he new @techcrunch couldn't handle the temptation.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not religious, but I grew up in a Baptist household and am still hung up enough that I can't follow @god.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Don't tease us Scoble. Spill the beans! :)
- Bryan Lee
When is the video coming so we can all check it? can you tell who ever it is to make sure it works nice with Twitter and that they put together a few videos on 'how to' use it so we can pick it up without thinking. (OK, maybe i'm being pushy)
- frank barry
Uhhh ohhhh. Sounds disruptive.
- Eric Florenzano
Robert, please be so kind to notify us (or at least point it out) when it does become public. I would like to see if it lives up to what you say it is.
- Michael Forian
Did this one make you cry? :)
- Chris Johnson
Gist?
- B2B Specialist
So do you really think it will be an improvement upon friendfeed? or just different?
- lucinda
Not fair Robert! This is what leads to an "unfollowing" ;) Gemini's do not deal well with suspense!
- Glen Meyburgh
Quick ... does anyone know any reverse psychology?
- Richard Filing
Well, if you move to it, I'll have to start tracking it, damn, one more service.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
Michael: yeah, of course I'll let you know when it's out. Chris, no, this one didn't make me cry. I feel more like a crack addict who just got shown a new drug. I can't resist.
- Robert Scoble
The gist? I don't want to anger @god -- he might not let me onto the beta. So far there are 50 people on it, and the addiction scales are off the charts.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Nothing wrong with tech crack :) Looking forward to hearing what it is.
- Chris Johnson
Is that even possible, Scoble? How much room do you have for addictions?
- Logan Leger
"You can't touch this....until...???"
- Dennis Goedegebuure
Per MForian, maybe create a hashtag for this one so we know when it's real and can peg it back to this post. There's an old riddle: "how do you keep a moron in suspence for 24-hours?" answer: "tell you tomorrow."
- mark silva
Don't tell me its about World Wide Telescope again. After your hype (you said you were in tears), eventually it turned out to be a duh moment for me. http://scobleizer.com/2008...
- Puneet Thapliyal
Puneet: no, this is far more real-time-web and addicting than anything Microsoft could do.
- Robert Scoble
damn Robert! NOW am really intrigued. Pray tell..
- Asfaq
It's BaconFeed.
- Mitch Wagner
Mitch: you have no idea how close you are. Mona will be one of the first addicts. So will Louis. My brother will probably call it lame.
- Robert Scoble
..what everyone wants to know is...did it make you cry? haha...
- Lee Hsieh
Sounds like a cult - just curious - is this the same guy Loren talked to?
- Jesse Stay
So it's addictive, doesn't replace twitter nor friendfeed, is it another social status publishing platform?
- Rida Al Barazi
lay of the smack ;)
- sofarsoShawn
Jesse: @god says that @1938media is not trustworthy but I agree that this new thing could be a cult (hey, is friendfeed a cult?). Rida: um, no.
- Robert Scoble
It's it just more addictive, or is it more useful as well? It's important to realize that there's a difference.
- Daniel Miessler
friendfeed is the begging to something very exciting and new. Real-time web.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Daniel: hmmm, is Twitter or friendfeed useful? If you answer yes then you'll find this useful too.
- Robert Scoble
Steve: you mean IRC.. :p
- Asfaq
asfaq: IRC died a while ago(IM took over) The problem with IRC was it had a very simplistic and crude form of identity. Now way to track or follow. :)
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Will this help business or something that's fun only? How can I get on the list to get a beta invite? I can't imagine something being better than FriendFeed - is that really possible??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I think the line between fun and Business is shrinking. We already see this with corporations using twitter internally.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Is it http://socialthing.com ?
- Gerardo Curiel
Gerardo: no. Come on, be serious. Jannifer: does Twitter help business? Does friendfeed? Does facebook?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble's found the stealth startup that's finally perfected teledildonics and is getting a demo!?!?
- Dossy Shiobara
Is it dancejam.com which mchammer is working on?
- Franz Sittampalam
from Nambu
I hope it's not another PeopleBrowsr
- Bwana ☠
I agree with Mitch. It's BaconFeed. Push a button on the screen, and bacon comes out the DVD drive. I can't wait! :D
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Please don't bring it up if you can't talk about it. Not cool.
- rowlikeagirl
This really isn't good. I already spend more time than should be allotted on FriendFeed. =[
- deepikaur
Can't wait to hear about it, Robert. I love shiny-shinies - a bit of a beta testing addict here :)
- Renee Hendricks
Does this mean you'll abandon the teat of the FF suckle, and move onto something more personal?
- Mike Shields
Suspense is killing me...
- Jordi Soler
@god has protected his twitter updates !! pls teach him to play this game !! addiction is killing me !! ,,, need a beta invite dosis, lol !
- Rocky
You're right. This is soooo cool. They didn't swear ME to secrecy. Is it still under wraps and they forgot to tell me?
- Internet Strategist
House Sitting - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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My brother Brian and his comedy partner Pete continue to make some of the edgiest skits out there.
- Christopher Sacca
I feel like you should've gone for a more ambiguous meaning and left the "comedy" out of that sentence.
- Chester
Fair point, Chester. I had been watching a Harvey Milk documentary this morning and I think it colored my text.
- Christopher Sacca
10 reasons why Twitter Direct Messages suck (and so do Facebook’s) - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
Marcel Janus, Daniel W. Crompton, Nikpay and 64 other people liked this
What I would like to see is an auto reply that directed the sender to your preferred method of communication. I also REALLY like what BlackBerry does on their OS where all Instant Messages and all emails (from up to 10 accounts) come to one in box so I don't have to jump from IM client to IM client. I hope BlackBerry greatly expands that concept to include Twitter and FaceBook. It's the only mobile OS that I've seen that consolidates messages in the default (ie not 3rd party) inbox.
- Wayne Schulz
I agree with most of the reasons - but, sometimes I like when people make it short and to the point. if they had the ability to write more than 140 characters, they probably would have sent loooong, bothersome email instead.
- Orli Yakuel
Actually, there is this great solution to the problem. I think it is called "e-mail". It is really fascinating stuff. I am not sure why people insist on DMs.
- Rob Diana
Rob: most people are lazy and aren't willing to look for an email link if one isn't provided.
- Robert Scoble
@Rob - posting your email address as-is on the internet is just inviting a ton of spam. It's hard enough dealing with my daily influx of mail as it is.
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
Lindsay: my email has been on my blog for eight years and I don't get that much spam. That's what Gmail is good at: blocking it.
- Robert Scoble
I had commented on the blog directly, but why is it so hard for Twitter/FriendFeed/etc to provide an email user link? That seems like a simple solution to the problem.
- Rob Diana
the way I see it, Twitter's DM isn't a replacement of email, altough Facebook's messaging might.
- gabo
Maybe an option to accept or not DMs (account-wide) will do the work for all who like them or not imho :)
- George Tziralis
I'm working on an extended profile on http://twitwall.com as a way to try to steer people towards communicating with me more efficiently. I'm always trying to figure out a way to do things the most productive way possible.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I think we found this weekend's bitchmeme!
- Rob Diana
If Twitter added RSS to the direct messages page, you would be able to read them on your Google Reader and add tags over there the same way you do on gMail in order to priotize. Responding would require you to click to the Twitter page and respond, even with a longer text because you installed the Twitzer firefox plugin first that enables you to have longer twitter messages on Twitter....
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- Bart Muskala - AdNerd Sr.
from twhirl
If people were trying to use DMs as email to reach me... yeah I'd hate them too! I think all of your points are very valid ones. But as the feature is called 'direct message', which could also be 'instant message', it's for something quick that requires a response that is as equally short and sweet. I don't hate the feature. But in your shoes, I would hate how people are using it.
- Wendy Peters
from twhirl
DM's were not intended to replace email but its usage is currently very similar to it.
- Jay
wow! when you put it like that, 'why DM sucks' makes sense. i have less that 100 DMs on TT so i've never had to consider the issue of scaling up to deal with 1000s of messages.
- .LAG liked that
dm's for me are a hitelisted SMS that doesn't leak my phone number. Extremely useful. Scoble following the entire universe spoils the whitelist. Twitter dropping SMS support for DMs outside the US made this less useful, as getting DMs on my UK phone was very handy
- Kevin Marks
from twhirl
My wife and I often use Twitter DM's when she's at work. She doesn't always hear text messages to her cellphone, and she runs Tweetdeck on her desktop there in any case. More to the point, as Twitter is seamless between desktop and cellphone, it doesn't matter if she's in or out of the office. She also points out that she prefers Twitter when she's in the office to SMS, as it's easier to type on her PC keyboard.
- Ian May
The solution seems simple to me... Twitter DM, Facebook Messages, LinkedIn messages, etc should be sent to my email.. I should be able to reply to the message from email and have the service treat it as a DM / Message. This way I can still treat it as I do my email while the sender can protect their email address.
- Bastard Operator From FF
What I don't get is why people respond to my public tweets with DMs, thus forcing a conversation that I WANTED public into being private. And 99% of the time this happens to me, it's not anything that needs to be private. I'd just respond back with an @ reply, but the public conversation is already broken.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Sean, that is what I have been trying to say. I do not understand why it is such a problem.
- Rob Diana
Rob: the problem is one of revenue, I'm sure. If facebook (for example) sent messages to my email and let me reply there, I wouldn't log into facebook, see their ads, etc. It's a standard Walled Garden problem driving traffic is more important then the service
- Bastard Operator From FF
Sean: I understand that, but if Facebook, etc. made the ability to respond via email something you had to opt-into (not the ability to be responded to in this way, mind, since the email will be transformed back into whatever service it originated from) with the understanding that the email notifications would have their ads in them I'd be fine with that.
- Jason Penney
I don't understand: Twitter DM, Facebook Messages, LinkedIn Messages, all end up in my email Inbox. That doesn't happen with you?
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
Glen: the issue is that you either can't read the whole message or you can't reply to them via email. Twitter would be the one I'd see difficulty responding to via email due to the 140 character limit. As a user of Basecamp, I've seen what happens with reply-by-email: 90% of the time, the signature gets added to the reply because reply-by-email parsers are pretty bad.
- Mark Trapp
And there are limited options as to what goes to your inbox.
- Chris Baskind
Thought Bart Muskala made a good point. I guess many people here more or less live in their GReader. If twitter included RSS on DMs then with the better GReader lifehacker scripts you could easily view DM page without leaving GReader, as well as tag and sort and search them.
- Peter Efland
Wayne and Jannifer are on the right track. Has anyone come up with a process for managing what they do online yet? I'd love to read it. I would be in favor of an independent place where we could set our preferences for where replies and contacts are sent. By independent I mean Open Source with the data protected from Corporate or Government access other than to feed date IN and get limited data OUT. It would take someone with far more developed skills at privacy and security to know what would be required.
- Internet Strategist
There is so much room for improvement in the way Twitter works. I look forward to seeing Jennifer's work in action and I believe that Internet Strategist and Wayne are putting up great thoughts and ideas.
- Robert Miller
I prefer DMs to @s any day. I hate making my Twitter feed noisy for a response that is only intended for one person.
- Tamar Weinberg
Here ya go Robert -- http://scobleizer.com/2008...
- Jay Cuthrell
Now I know.. make it public the next time.
- Jack
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