The real-time component of Google is like introducing the Slashdot effect to the most popular site on the world. People better be prepared for it, infrastructure wise. Jes' sayin.
- Michelle
Michelle: That's what elastic hosting is for. Cue advert for Rackspace Cloud Sites!
- Jalada
A google fail whale would be sorta cool.
- Cliff Gerrish
@Cliff - it exists. It is called Wave.
- Rob La Gesse
getting them weekly for gmail, igoogle and so on - but they only last a couple of minutes mostly
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
They need one of those cute graphics to really annoy people.
- Cliff Gerrish
Google isn't scared of this stuff at all. Ask Matt Cutts. If it gets big, they'll just buy it.
- Michelle
It's not a threat. The Google ecosystem is much bigger than just search.
- Michelle
Results are changing from links to widgets.
- Cliff Gerrish
the biggest change for google search is that now its more dynamic, fade in's, drop downs and so on
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
scared is a loaded word... let's say concerned.
- Jason Calacanis
@cliff, totally agree with the links to widgets. We're moving back into compound document architectures backed by some fairly sophisticated intelligence.
- Jerry Schuman
Widgets can handle streams of data...
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert, not by name, but I'll bet a bunch of people do what I do...say , gee I sure wish I had that...
- Karoli
@cliff, yep that is absolutely what we've been focusing on here. Stream aggregation that can ID context and conversation are absolutely the next huge implementations.
- Jerry Schuman
read the quantum computing blog post from Google. They're working on this exact problem
- Jerry Schuman
Karoli--that's why they bought the engineering team for this social network!
- Michelle
Agree, Michelle. FF search is the finest I've used.
- Karoli
facebook as an identity platform will go the way of Microsoft Passport if it's 1) not open standards and 2) they don't use the private identity info for corporate gain
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I won't use FB as an identity platform because they have exhibited anti-privacy behaviour
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
my issue with FB was the default to google indexing while giving users the impression they were protecting them.
- Karoli
i think they totally duped the development community beyond what they've done to the end users.
- Jerry Schuman
What was changed was the default for people who had not set them to public or open (i.e. using the FB default which was private)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Congress may care about privacy on the internet, but they don't actually know what that means.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff I agree with that, but they can sure mess with us a lot.
- Robert Scoble
the difference is the data that people have invested into the Facebook data environment - it's a lot more personal than Twitter could ever collect
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
LOL...jason is a little bit sleep-deprived. he's babbling.
- Karoli
Actually, HTML5 is on 'last call' according to WHATWG, but not according to W3C. So, it's sorta close.
- Cliff Gerrish
the point is that there are implementations in the wild regarding HTML5 in anticipation of a ratified standard. Not much different then what happened to 802.11 N
- Jerry Schuman
ok.. quit stealing my damn thoughts before I can type them out
- Jerry Schuman
That's why you have a closed Chrome hardware play -- you can implement HTML5 in a closed system.
- Cliff Gerrish
I switched OurDoings to HTML5, but I'm only using the parts of it that older browsers can handle.
- Bruce Lewis
Well, since I was there when 802.11 was born, I had to bring up the example :)
- Rob La Gesse
Robert's point is very valid - the app devs will be able to get on board the HTML5 train and enjoy the benefits and hopefully the standards body will avoid tweaking it out of usability
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I want to see a closer pic of Kevin's whiteboard over his shoulder ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
google must be *loving* html5 because they will get all of those apps to be immediatly usable on any new Chrome netbook and also all new Android devices
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
no.. they'll hack up their own solutions in the meantime. Hell Comet/Push was hacked together prior to the standardization of websockets
- Jerry Schuman
Android and iPhone implementations of webkit are different. So, there are different capabilities there...
- Cliff Gerrish
you also have to look at what Google is doing with GWT. It plays a big role on supplementing what they're doing in HTML5
- Jerry Schuman
Randall Stross wrote that for the Times, but it was largely debunked.
- Cliff Gerrish
Hey, Kevin, is there a 140 character comparison of Google Voice vs Ribbit Mobile?
- Ken Sheppardson
Then why does the iphone only have to seem to have the major issues in the US?
- gfurry
Chicago, New York, Dallas (HOME OF ATT!!!) all suck (as does SFO).
- Rob La Gesse
It's because AT&T is the only network with the iPhone. Check Mary Meeker's stats on iPhone use in her Morgan Stanley Mobile internet report.
- Cliff Gerrish
"Actually, I thought more or less no-one had the firehose right now; most services (Seesmic, Tweetdeck) don't need it, creative use of all the other APIs available are enough for quite a lot of use cases. I do wonder if opening up the firehose is foolish; it's clearly going to be a strain on Twitter to provide for 'anyone' and there are going to be plenty of people that just /assume/ they want the firehose when actually they can use the track or follow services to just as good effect. Bit off-topic I know."
- Jalada
But what if you want to try something different? In Russia, Sbiten (Russian, сбитень) is a traditional honey-based beverage consumed during the long winter months. It's actually very simple to prepare and tastes a lot like fruity tea. Here's how to prepare this comforting drink.
- Jalada
"At first this sounded bad. But if you read their press release, the same BNO News wire will be piped into the Twitter account, plus MSNBC. So it hopefully wont go down in quality..."
- Jalada
"I agree with you. There's no way Google are trying to kill Microsoft or Apple. This is a niche that they can fill. I don't think Chrome OS has 'won', because really, there was nothing to win. The closest thing is probably Ubuntu Netbook Remix, but even that is a lot higher-level than this. Google Chrome OS is simple, single-purpose. There's plenty of room for that and it'll be interesting to see if it influences even more people to develop in HTML5+JS."
- Jalada
"I don't know about the US. But here in the UK this sort of thing is limited massively by the fact that our broadband is asynchronous - upload speeds are sometimes orders of magnitude lower than download speeds. For example, I have 4mbit down but barely 1mbit up. 20mbit down and 1mbit up isn't unrealistic here either. Not to mention once you do start uploading, the common 'household router' (a modem+router combination sold here. Again, very much a UK thing as we have PPPoA rather than PPPoE) will fall to its knees filling up its buffer, and thus make the Internet in the house (and any other access to any servers there) practically unusuable. There are ways around this of course, which mostly involve limiting the upload speed *even more*... Not a problem for River2, but a problem for downloading any files larger than about 500K..."
- Jalada
Copying to the Mac Clipboard While copying and pasting in a terminal is very useful, I also find that I often want to copy some text from a terminal into my clipboard. This next tip will show you how to do this for Mac OSX, but I'm sure it can be easily modified to work with other operating syste ...
- Jalada
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NodeBox is a Mac OS X application that lets you create 2D visuals (static, animated or interactive) using Python programming code and export them as a PDF or a QuickTime movie. NodeBox is free and well-documented.
- Jalada
"Looking very very clean and simple now Robert, I like it. Makes me want to come back to WordPress from Posterous...still not quite sure yet though..."
- Jalada
If you have the facilities, it's really handy to install Ubuntu using Ubuntu's nice install environment without having to burn any CDs. Just download the ISO and use it in conjunction with some server stuff and boot any computer off the network to get a fully interactive graphical installation, just ...
- Jalada
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If you have the facilities, it's really handy to install Ubuntu using Ubuntu's nice install environment without having to burn any CDs. Just download the ISO and use it in conjunction with some server stuff and boot any computer off the network to get a fully interactive graphical installation, just ...
- Jalada
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"Checking it out now. It's not really a Google Wave Client as such, more a wrapper for the website. It looks like Google Wave + Growl plugin + Fluid + Menubar icon, basically."
- Jalada
Kol: That's pretty neat. Wish it was shorter like wave.com or gwave.com (Google owns gwave.com anyway) or something.
- Nick Humphries
i think this @googlewave.com email address is a temporary thing during testing. after it goes live you should be able to just use it with your google account. at least that's what i think:)
- Taylan Aydınlı
if only you could bold an announcement in FF like you can in Wave :D [oh, and my username on Wave is the splendiforously original "adamlasnik"]
- Adam Lasnik
Guys, please read the title and the first comment. This is not a request for invites. This is for users who already have an account and want to share their account name. For invites see this thread: http://ff.im/91M9R
- Kol Tregaskes
My Wave ID is erier2003@googlewave.com. Feel free to add me and we can Wave!
- Eric Geller
Still don't really know what this is (Or Google Voice for that matter). This is like high school all over again. The cool kids are ignoring me!
- James Ferguson
i'm with the google wave woudl be really cool, if i had people to wave at crowd. jviddy@googlewave.com
- Jamie Vidamour
Everyone, read the title and first comment. This is NOT an invite thread!
- Kol Tregaskes
my plan didn't work. still trolling for an invite at dzinrgeek@gmail.com
- amarquart
Blimey. I must be going mad, is it not clear that this is NOT an invite thread. For invites see here: http://ff.im/91M9R
- Kol Tregaskes
Not sure if anyone else woudl find it useful, i'm going to add a load of you as friends and create a wave just to try stuff out in. Feel free to remove yourself from the wave or use it as you feel. Also feel free to add anyone else you think might want to be in on it
- Jamie Vidamour
Shockingly, I am robdiana@googlewave.com
- Rob Diana
Kamilah, you are kamilah.gill. You can find this if you click on yourself in the Contacts sidebar. You address (like everyone) is shown there.
- Kol Tregaskes
Karoli: is that your google wave nick or are you sniffling? :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I'm sniffling because I don't have a google wave nick. Despite two invites, there is still nothing in my inbox. I am not in with the in crowd. :(
- Karoli
Karoli -- It appears as if there's a batch of emails going out now. Keep checking.
- Christopher A Carr
<- Waves hello! :) I'm at holger.eilhard@googlewave.com
- Holger Eilhard
hello holger, can you pls send me invite? fatihkurtoglu@gmail.com
- Mehmet Fatih Kurtoglu
Invite came today! I'm jalada@googlewave.com. As part of the second/third 'Wave' of people getting invites looks like I don't get any to share out.
- Jalada
M Fatih Kurtoglu: Sorry, I don't yet have any nominations to give out...
- Holger Eilhard
Hey, I'm in too ! :)) tagyboy@googlewave.com
- fwed
Just got my invite this morning as well. FF embed seems to be working fine. I've tried the Wolfram Alpha robot but didn't get it to work yet.
- François Dongier
librarysupporter@googlewave.com in my wave. :)
- MLx
Glad to see more and more people getting in. What we're waiting for is proper group support (a few weeks hopefully) then let the games begin! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Anyone have a spare google wave invite to send to me? email me at zaldor at gmail ! TY!
- Les Zaldor
I will as soon as I get one WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
- Martha
banane@googlewave.com <-- writing this from wave. neat!
- anna sauce
marco.nunez@googlewave - FINALLY! like i said on twitter - i feel like the kid who got a nintendo 1 christmas too late when everyone had already beaten super mario bros!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
denise.straessler@googlewave - stupid me had no idea i wouldn't be able to select a different name .....
- denise
Wow. Thanks Kol!!! Here's mine for all ya'll to add - walt.ruppar@googlewave.com - although I just added like 150 of the above. While also deleting my pity pleads for an invite... ;-)
- Walt Ruppar
"Whacking the word 'Cloud' onto it should not be an excuse. There is nothing new about this sort of technology, fundamentally they're just storing some data. They should've had backups. There's nothing difficult about backing up a 'Cloud'. There is no learning curve. You store data, you back it up. Plus, it's Microsoft, they should know better."
- Jalada
A dynamic CSS framework inspired by Shaun Inman's CSS Cacheer. It's aimed at experienced CSS developers - it gives you the tools to create great CSS easily. It abstracts some repetitive and annoying flaws of the language to make it easier to create and maintain, all while giving you the benefits of caching.
- Jalada
Heh. It would be nice if I could invite people..even if it would take a few days - it's really quiet and with:public is overwhelming. Need to find some people to add
- Jalada
Big list of friendfeeders on it that Kol started somewhere. Could be a start, even if you just add a couple.
- Simon Wicks
"It doesn't work in some browsers because in the text above the quotes are special smart quotes, you need to change them to ordinary " quote marks. Also, it only works on google.com, not google.co.uk (for example)"
- Jalada
Looks like Google Wave is having lots of issues today. Their servers are probably having issues due to the number of new people who have got Google Wave invites today (including me). The help forum confirms that many others are experiencing the same issues. Once things quieten down, I'll be able to ...
- Jalada
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