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I'm actually quite proud that I will NOT be taking the H1N1 flu vaccine. I'll take my chance with Vitamin C, D3, water and rest.
Jason Bryant and Holden Page liked this
Really, guy at airport? You're wearing a "I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look" shirt? Classy!
Jason Bryant, Musa Yılmaz, Travis Koger and 45 other people liked this
He must have gotten lost on the way to Walmart...
- Thomas
lol classy! Veronica, you need to say "I'm not a proctologist, but i can tell your an A-hole"
- Fee501st
hahahaha!!
- Susan Beebe
lol
- Carlos Urrutia
is this one lol? http://www.gagswag.com/shirts...
- Fee501st
ROFLMAO
- Elmira Gazizova
Lovely! He'll make someone a great creepy boyfriend some day
- Amy
For a moment I was wondering where some of my friends might be traveling today... for a moment.
- Jay Cuthrell
I guess there's no patch for tasteless-ness either. *sigh*
- Caleb
@Fee501st - that place claims to have the "funniest swag on the planet", but the merchandise for sale is mediocre at best.
- Andrew C
Where's Sarah Lane when you need her? As she often says... "You stay classy!"
- Dave Friedel
I'll never get tired of crude creativity!
- Jason Wong
from iPod
Ah, low cost airfare. When I was young you had to go to a bus station or worse for this level of style. Those were the days...
- Andrew Leyden
@Andrew C i thought the same!
- Fee501st
Wow, how many times have I wished jerks came with a label so I could tell they were jerks without having to talk to them...it sounds like some wishes DO come true!
- vicster
@Vicster - that reminds me, I should get an Ed Hardy hoodie.
- Andrew C
Just follow Veronica's mantra: What Would Spencer/Heidi Do? WWSHD?
- Paul Reynolds
I think Roger Chang would very much appreciate that gynecologist t-shirt.
- Dave Friedel
and this guy probably has those "naked lady" mud flaps on that pick up truck of his (complete with gun rack too).
- Ted Ellis
And "Truck Nutz.(TM)" You know he's got those.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
This is why I wear a suit whenever I fly.
- Mike Nayyar
I wear the "I'm with stupid" shirt and always get the middle seat.
- Dave Friedel
At least it shows the personnality behind it. It's like asking "If your easy, I'm interested". You've been warn
- Robert Martin
Lucky U meeting Andrew "DICE" Clay at the Airport!! ;)) A little Poetry..........
- Billy Warhol
I hope he wasn't walking with his wife and holding his daughter's hand. :(
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Paul, that is soooo going to be my mantra from now on!
- Veronica
WDVBD!
- Fee501st
I'm wearing a TUX the next time I fly.
- Rick Cogley
i hope it wasn't the pilot lol twitter(at)locspoc
- Loc
Dust storm in Australia - The Big Picture - Boston.com - http://www.boston.com/bigpict...
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Lumino_GmbH, Steven Cains, Jason Bryant and 3 other people liked this
Ummmmmm....... The sky outside is looking very red... If four dudes show up on horses, I'm getting the fuck outta here...
polymath22, Rodrigo Jaroszewski, Brome and 64 other people liked this
You don't want me to visit?! Ohh I see how it is!
- Mo Kargas
Is the next one flooding or locusts? I always get confused as to the proper order.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
And apparenlty it's going to get worse... :(
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
MVB, have you seen pictures of Atlanta right now, the flooding has already happened.
- Jimminy
We use to get dust storms here. Glad they haven't shown up in a while.
- Brent - Long Live Rock
Good point, Jimminy. Has anyone's water turned to blood, yet? Anyone?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Its actually clearing up over here in Sydney.. it looks like light fog but no red color
- Jay
PARTY!
- Danny Minick
I can feel, smell and taste it in my nose and throat. Just waiting for my asthmatic lungs to revolt.
- Mellissa Jane
Mel... mine too
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Creepy sky. <--- incredibly obvious I know. But, wow, creep sky.
- SAM
Creepy looking indeed. These are sandstorms, eh? Closest to that I've ever seen was when we had a major forest fire several years ago.
- Jan Ole Peek
You guys okay, Johnny? That's got to be pretty scary, even for someone who isn't asthmatic. Were I in your shoes, I'd be wishing for some valium to go with my inhaler.
- Ladybug Heather
Wow, I saw the news at lunch time.
- Kol Tregaskes
Someday...someday...http://shop.lego.com/Product...
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CW™, Katie: Witch Of The West, Rohit and 35 other people liked this
Only $500. ouch
- Josh Haley
I consider this one of my life's great ambitions. That, and the Lego Deathstar. Also: Imperial Cruiser.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Me too, Jennifer. At least 2 out of those three, you know?
- Josh Haley
amazing design! love it
- Oğuzcan Yavaş
~drool~ but yeah, that's steep...
- JA Castillo
Even $250 would be steep. :(
- Josh Haley
I think I might start a change jar at home for something like this - I can't quite justify buying it outright, but if it is from "lost" change, I'm thinking that might be more doable.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Yes, but http://www.willitblend.com ?
- ianf ⌘
i promise to buy this for you someday... all the kids will be working for a living and we'll all chip in to get it for you. so... you'll just have to wait until we have successfully educated our four children enough for them to go to college and get really great jobs doing what they love. by then it will probably going for five times the amount. it will be worth the wait, though.
- Trish Haley
Why is Lego so bloody expensive?
- Michael Forian
a friend has been working on this for a very very long time. its rather cool looking though!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Trish, that was so sweet. <3
- joey
Awwww!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
$500 (>_<)
- LouCypher
Pssst! It's my birthday today, and this post is relevant.
- Josh Haley
On my list as well along with the Deathstar, Although I did get the Imperial Star Destroyer last Christmas from my son/me and that wasn't cheap! For the size of the Falcon it isn't that expensive, try findind or buying Boba Fett's Slave I if you want to see expensive for a small set!
- Russ G
Ryan Soroush Scoble - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Iván Abrego, Jason Huebel, Ladybug Heather and 59 other people liked this
First video when he was just an hour old.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Right after his first bath.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
cool! so he's got a persian middle name :)
- Shandiz
Congratulations Robert!
- Mo Kargas
Congratulations Robert and Wife...!!!
- Jeannette Høvring
This came as a complete surprise to me because I never heard you mention anything about a baby on the way. Congratulations!!!
- Michael Fidler
OMG Robert, how great. Didn't know you and your wife were even expecting. Way to surprise us all. Congrats. He's precious. :)
- Mol, Time Warping
Congratulations! :)
- Oğuz Serdar
Congrats Robert :) Whats the meaning of "Soroush" btw?
- Ozkan Altuner
Congrats!
- Kaan Ertürk
Haha RSS. Congrats dude!
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Ozkan: Soroush means divine calling or messenger from God, like an angel.
- Robert Scoble
Cool, my first son is named Soroush:)
- Mycaptain
Methinks Maryam needs a nap. How is she?
- Sue
She's a bit sore but doing well.
- Robert Scoble
Congratulations Robert, Maryam and the rest of the Scoble family.
- Rob Diana
Welcome to the world, my little nephew Ryan. :) Hehe, he looks like his daddy.
- Alex Scoble
Congrats! Will RSS have his own feed? A la Audrey Moskowitz...
- SAM
Congrats Robert!!
- Internet's Tad
Congrats Robert on another beautiful child in your family.
- Ken Camp
Congratulations Robert! :-)
- Rene Wirtz
Congratulations Robert! Sending best wishes to you and your family.
- Allan Besselink
CONGRATULATIONS!!!! And blessings upon you and your family!!
- Wendy Boswell
Congratulations to you and Maryam. You have been truly blessed and your new son is gorgeous. Such a special time for you all. All the best. I can't wait to see pics of Patrick and Milan with Ryan. :)
- Sheryl
Visiting Industrial Light & Magic today! http://twitpic.com/i6nmg
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demir, Sylvain Nadeau, imabonehead and 50 other people liked this
Why didn't you defrost him??? The fate of the galaxy is at stake and you're making fun of Han? Tsk tsk.
- Dave Friedel
Wait a minute. If you're in Jabba's lair, that probably means you're the next slave girl. (Whip this thread up...)
- Dave Friedel
She sees more geek stuff by 11am then most geeks see in there lives! ;)
- Fee501st
Dave, how do you know she isn't the one that recaptured him?!
- Fee501st
omg, I too want a pic like this :)
- giuseppe c. | markgreene
Dave, now you thinking! lol :p
- Fee501st
Geez, guys, do you want V to reply to this thread or run screaming from it...? :)
- Thomas
i think she knows where teasing her, that why her name for Dave is ass! I'm right Dave?
- Fee501st
I guess I'm in trouble again. But she could have just unfroze Han and saved the universe. Just sayin'.
- Dave Friedel
And Fee, I'm being good. I'm resisting the urge to put her in the slave girl outfit and put Jabba in the background. I'm not a total ass. :)
- Dave Friedel
lol
- Thomas
Dave: lol, I'm sure she's worked out to take what you say with a shovel of salt by now :P
- Amy
yea in that interview, we are her funny FF with all the inside jokes! lol
- Fee501st
Amy, isn't it eleventy o'clock where you are? Go drink some Irn bru!
- Dave Friedel
Dave: No, it's 7pm! It's Friday! It's wine o'clock!
- Amy
Whoops, accidentally started photoshop. Whoops, accidentally downloaded this picture...
- Dave Friedel
Uh, oh... :)
- Thomas
It's a trap!!! [insert ASCII Admiral Ackbar here]
- Fleagle
Veronica + Star Wars = awesome.
- Eric Geller
from iPod
Ok, well I photoshopped her in the slave girl outfit. Sorry V, but you make it soooo easy. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Dave Friedel
lol
- Fee501st
I was expecting a pic of Veronica in a GIANT woolly jumper there
- Amy
vreronics has no sex appeal tho
- David Lloyd
Oh, that well-known 'vreronics'?
- Amy
Is that a new language? "Hooked on Vreronics worked for me!"
- Thomas
Carbonite Jazz Hands FTW
- Jay Cuthrell
Thomas: The technical name for the study of virtual reality? VReronics?
- Amy
Carbonite Jazz Hands. I love that!
- Dave Friedel
Cool! Special Veronica FX!
- George Brickner
lmao. Oh, you shouldda done Solo too! :D
- Amy
I could only do so much over my lunch break... :)
- Thomas
ELOL. (Evil Laugh Out Loud). Thomas that's awesome. What software did you use?
- Dave Friedel
I've been playing around with Gimp. Enough features for things like this, plus it's free :)
- Thomas
Thanks, I just downloaded it.
- Dave Friedel
HAHAHA!! Nice work, fellas.
- Veronica
Uh oh. Mom's home.
- Dave Friedel
We durent doin nutten... 0:)
- Dave Friedel
I have a soft spot for animated gifs.
- Veronica
Oh dear lord, that's a whole big can o'worms you've just opened there, Veronica
- Amy
Bwahahahahaha...
- Thomas
Amy: apparently you never been to the Tekzilla forms ;)
- Fee501st
Guilty as charged
- Amy
Which forms do I have to fill out Fee?
- Dave Friedel
@DaveFriedel He didnt help her either http://ff.im/8lU7r
- Fee501st
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Awesome.
- Dave Friedel
Nice! :)
- Thomas
We need a creative type to make a "Veronica in Carbonite" sculpture.
- George Brickner
Ok, now you're getting a little crazy George. Oh what the heck, what do we need... some clay, a kiln. First thread in FriendFeed that connects up to a kiln. Wish Systm were still a show, I bet Pat has the parts to make it wireless. WTF am I writing. Man it's late. My consciousness is being stolen from me...zzz zzzzzz zzzzzz zzzzzz zz zzzzzzz
- Dave Friedel
lol! I see your 'staying up all night' plan is workin' out for you there, Dave :P
- Amy
This is why Han prefers Mozy for his backup needs.
- Jason Wong
The idea was that artists should work & work and die penniless & in obscurity. That BAD idea was forged BEFORE the Internet came along.
Michael Pinto and Jason Bryant liked this
Guess who just fell back into my loving arms? http://twitpic.com/hq3ga
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Derrick, Jason Bryant, John (a.k.a. dendroica) and 2 other people liked this
nice!
- Thomas Hawk
my favourite lens! enjoy.
- Andrea | amnesiak1978
i didnt realize how much i loved this lens until one day it just up and quit on me. kudos to Canon for superior customer service on this one.
- Plug1
Jungle Snugglies Hand Puppet Louis Lion - http://playgrounder.com/stuff...
Jason Bryant, Thomas Hawk, Jennifer Dittrich and 4 other people liked this
"Add some roaring good fun to your next puppet show with this Jungle Snugglies Hand Puppet Louis Lion ($12). King of the jungle he may be, but this big cat has friendly smile for everyone he meets. With his stylish felt mane and monogrammed initial, Louis will make a majestic addition to your hand puppet collection."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
So. Cute.
- Derrick
Derrick, come on. Let's make a baby.
- Baroness Von Cut-A-Bitch
Kaia - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Derrick
Note to self: Don’t ‘friend’ your boss on FB and then bitch about your job. - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Nils Sandin, Suhel Khan, Tapio Kulmala and 20 other people liked this
So true. But friending your boss can have advantages too. Can't think of any though haha.
- Seth Goldstein
"Original" Post - http://friendfeed.com/eskimo...
- Ken Sheppardson
Social Darwinism at its finest.
- Jeff Harbert
Seth: my bosses are all my friends. Personally, I never write or say anything I wouldn't be OK with seeing on the front page of the New York Times. That usually covers all these types of things.
- Robert Scoble
Wah haha classic!
- Andy Ghozali
maybe there is some secret benefit to being fired, if so this one sure way to get fired :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
from fftogo
LOLcat paparazzi
2ndmoon©, Ahsan Ali aka. Slick, Владимир and 259 other people liked this
LOL
- Alfredo
I swear one of those is Scoble and he just doesn't want us to know.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Is that @sockington? :P (P.S. I don't think Sockington looks like that)
- Jalada
LOL good find. Love it.
- Drew Lucas
LOL
- Roberto Bonini
LOL....cat
- Bwana ☠
The cat's face is priceless.
- Josh Haley
LOL
- Jay
My cats have gotten used to it. Indiana poses and trys to get in shots that aren't supposed to include her.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Rachel, that sounds like my son Seth :p
- Josh Haley
*shaking head*
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Oh God ((((((((((:
- yasin ghasemi
It's Good ... :))
- Alooche
if only i had a cat to photgraph......... :(
- Roberto Bonini
I LOVE photography
- H.M.Nasrabadi
BEST post ever!
- AJ Batac
LOL
- Arash
LOL at the guy lying on the ground to get the shot.
- Rahul Das
I actually LOL
- Valley
HA!!!
- David Cook
is that scoble with the mullet?
- Jim Hearts FF
damn. Killed another one!
- Jim Hearts FF
Yeah, its scoble :)
- Roberto Bonini
That's the most likes I think a post of mine has ever recieved. And they say they don't like LOLcats anymore huh?
- Josh Haley
thought it was socks the clinton's cat LOL
- BEX
BEX, I love how your profile bit says "I can kick your ass!" :) Not only do I believe that 100%, but I also think it might be enjoyable for some reason.
- Josh Haley
I'm sure that I could get a little whimper out of you ;)
- BEX
Yep, I was right. I'll be in my bunk.
- Josh Haley
:))
- Shandiz
I love how cats pose when initmidated with admirers- not this one though - and hey we are looking through lens of 2nd order paparazi (paparazi of paparazi !!!)
- Rahul Deodhar
نمي دونم حرفامو مي فهمي رفيق يا نه ولي خيلي جالبه
- ramezanifar
This is my most "liked" picture to date, I believe. Long live the LOLcat!
- Josh Haley
A superstar cat !
- Renchin Wang
haha :P
- Michael
kind of celebrity
- amirreader
So where are the pictures of the cat? I must see them!
- Chuck Baggett
I saw this seane in Tokyo, :)
- microwalrus
بله همونطوري كه گفتم خيلي جالبه
- ramezanifar
"Stupidity- hoomans haz it"
- Roberto Bonini
Yes this is the Bill Clinton's cat :)
- Nenko Ivanov
I can haz privacy?
- George Brickner
I SED, NO PICTUREZ!
- Rick Cogley
poor thing....
- theNetImp
What is the actual story behind this picture?
- Mellissa Jane
حالا چرا اينا اينطوري بند كردن به اين گربه؟
- ramezanifar
This is my best of to date, according to number of likes.
- Josh Haley
Praveen Vasudev to Praveen's feed, Creative Design, TheNextWeb Forum, RWW: The Future of Tech, The Goodie Room, Technology at Play
25 Elegant Workstations for Your Inspiration - http://sixrevisions.com/design-...
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Alexandru Savu, Bicentennial (Franc), HealingBrush and 72 other people liked this
Whether you work on a Mac, a PC, or both - the way your workstation is set up reveals a lot about your sense of style and work attitude. Have a comfortable place where you can do your work can lead to increased creativity and productivity.
- Praveen Vasudev
from Bookmarklet
They actually just make me realize what a slob I am, seriously my place is a BARN! & I won't let the cleaning lady in cuz she messes up my system
- sofarsoShawn
LOL :D
- Praveen Vasudev
Post a link or upload a snap of your workstation, if you got one =)
- Praveen Vasudev
Yeahhhhhh fffffing right...lol maybe
- sofarsoShawn
I'll have number 20, please!
- Tim Tyler
Amazing. Number 2, 4, 5, please. I need more Macs, I on;y have the latest iMac 24" with 2.96GHz processor. I need an Apple LED screen and a MacBook Pro. Please?
- Zachary TG
Workstation's one thing, but you also need to think about good chairs. Really good chairs.
- Sung W. Lim
I only have an iMac and an iPod Touch. I need more! LOL
- Zachary TG
Me just got a crappy PC. Got to buy myself Apple products!! Don't know when :D
- Praveen Vasudev
Some desktops like lcd hdtv screens ;D
- Guilherme da Rosa
Apple nabs 91% of "premium" computer revenue in June - Ars Technica - http://arstechnica.com/apple...
George Brickner, Flemming Funch, anand raman and 7 other people liked this
If you need any more reasons why Apple isn't jumping into the cheap netbook fray, a look at some analysis form NPD on recent computer sales should make Apple's point of view crystal clear. For the month of June, slightly more than 9 out of every 10 dollars spent on a computer over $1,000 went to Apple. That's a significant increase from the share of revenue Apple had of the higher-end PC market last year, which was already an impressive 66 percent.
- Leo Laporte
If you need any more reasons why Apple isn't jumping into the cheap netbook fray, a look at some analysis form NPD on recent computer sales should make Apple's point of view crystal clear. For the month of June, slightly more than 9 out of every 10 dollars spent on a computer over $1,000 went to Apple. That's a significant increase from the share of revenue Apple had of the higher-end PC market last year, which was already an impressive 66 percent.
- Leo Laporte
Isint this kind of pointless??? Apple defines the term "premium computer".
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, there's been a lot of hay lately made about apple having a very small piece of the market, but this stat shows that they own the market... the thing is that apple's market is only in computers over $1,000 and they don't really care to be in the mass market - techcrunch analogized it as camry vs porsche (not a very good analogy imho, but still makes sense)
- Chris Heath
The Mac Versus PC Debate Has Never Been Clearer (TechCrunch) - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
(jeff)isageek, Daniel Rowley, Jannifer @wordsforliving and 11 other people liked this
I'm late to this one, but I didn't realize Apple commanded so much of the high-end PC market, stunning, really, wow! —"You need look no further than numbers released today by NPD to understand Apple’s strategy. Its revenue share of the “premium” price market — that is, computers over $1,000 — is a staggering 91%. This means that 9 out of every 10 retail dollars that is spent on PCs in that price range, goes to Apple."
- .LAG liked that
from Bookmarklet
Someone put a baby diaper into the toilet on my Virgin American flight... they can't get it out and we are now delayed two hours #diaperfail
PhilTaylor, Jason Bryant and Tom Raftery liked this
Did they find who did it?
- Andre P. Siregar
Sorry for you Jason, but I can't help laughing at the image in my head of the diaper getting sucked in as they tried to flush!
- Tom Raftery
FriendFeed on a Saturday afternoon isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang.
Olaf Wolff, (jeff)isageek, Sheldon Steiger and 30 other people liked this
Do your own on TinyChat
- Chris Saad
Really?
- Jim Connolly
Scoble Gang
- Mark
You really should go back to doing it audio only, easier and better.
- Mason Lee
Yeah - what about a 'Scoble's gang?' You know everyone worth talking to.
- Jim Connolly
But yeah, I agree-- I miss that podcast, especially when it went somewhat deeper into things like "track" and the future of communications
- Mason Lee
Scoble's Gang reporting sir!
- Özgür D. Cyric
I'll get the Scoble Snacks! (Sorry, someone had to.)
- Darren Landrum
Darren: Loved that! :-)
- Jim Connolly
Heh. Thanks everyone! Gives me something to think about.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'll help you folks out. Steve: "If we can just get track back, then the gesture economy will finally take hold" Arrington: "Mufflers again, let's talk sports cars." Doc: "Is VRM a muffler or sports car?" Jason: "This show was sponsored by Building 43." Scoble: "Heehee."
- Matt Terenzio
Matt: add some drama and that is pretty close.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Wow. Only a little? Can't wait for Scoble Gang
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: I can't wait either but I already have Scoble Gang. It is called FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I thought we were a mob... now i'm confused
- Chris Heath
HAHAhahahaha yea! =] It's called FF!
- Özgür D. Cyric
C'mon Robert. The yearning mob awaits
- Steve Gillmor
Chris: gang, mob, what's the difference?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
but steve, the mob awaits you too!
- Chris Heath
semantics
- Chris Heath
and spelling
- Chris Heath
the mob can [redacted] itself
- Steve Gillmor
that's funny steve, cuz i just [redacted] myself moments ago... and plan to [redact] later tonight as well :-P
- Chris Heath
may cause blindness
- Steve Gillmor
Do not taunt Happy Fun Mob
- Jay Cuthrell
FriendFeed is a gateway drug to Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
"can't we all just get along?"
- Chris Heath
I've listened to several back episodes of Gillmor Gang over the last few days. They were surprisingly good. Steve comes across as cranky, yes, but underneath he is usually making valid points.
- Laura Norvig
I miss Gilmore Gang :(
- Robert Burgin
I agree Laura, and I also miss the GG
- Chris Heath
How far back did you go Laura?
- Chris Heath
Agree with Laura, I miss the gang, steve tells it like he sees it and doesn't just jump onto the newest thing just because its new .. Bring back the Gang !
- Aaron Dyer
Best part of GG were the inevitable meltdowns every few weeks
- Mark
Give the order Scoble Sir! I'll have their... well... keyboards!! :P
- Özgür D. Cyric
Sometimes meltdowns need to happen to re-focus us all, strong and differing opinions are a GOOD thing
- Aaron Dyer
GG reminded me of an open mic night where everyone ends up playing 12-bar blues.... but sometimes you get a jazz guy in there that mixes things up a bit.
- Jay Cuthrell
Chris, I listened to 3 episodes from March. I'm just going through all the ones that happen to be on my iPod that I never had a chance to listen to.
- Laura Norvig
Scoble -- Do it. The Scoble Mob.
- Dave Winer
"The Scoble Mob(ile)" would make a neat logo and imply the disjointed and anywhere anytime nature of the "mob"
- Jay Cuthrell
The Gillmor Gang was the best show on the internet in my opinion. I miss it tremendously. Scoble Gang wouldn't be the same even though he still could make a good show. You need Steve at the helm to set the tone.
- Wo
so wheres the link to "The Scoble Mob"? Who's going to be on today?
- BryanSchuetz
I'm sure Leo would let you put it on the TWIT Robert
- BryanSchuetz
Yeah I agree GG was great, and I miss it alot. Scoble is great and was great addition to the gang. But not many can do what Steve did so well. Cut into the bone of the conversation with just one "cranky" rant. I'm pretty sure I would subscribe to a scobleshow also though. I wasn't fond of the change over to Twit, it kinda changed the dynamics of the show. Nothing bad about Leo, the show just wasn't the same with him co holding the reins.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I for one, would love to see Leo [redacted] arrington in the mouth with his mighty "mob", over and over again
- Michael Thomas
Indeed, bring back The Gang...
- Richard Eckel
In a few days I think Arrington is going to announce he worked with twitter and the police to track the hacker down.
- Mark
Steve's a sweet teddybear with strong opinions...just not a great fit on TWiT. I'm sure a new iteration will appear when the time is right.
- Web Pixie
I guess nature does not abhor a vacuum.
- Jim Posner
FriendFeed on a Sunday morning, very early, so early in fact my ass is still in bed and not listening to a podcast isn't the same without @stevegillmor's gang :P
- Johnny Worthington
What does Gillmor do for a day job? I mean, he posts maybe 1 article a week, a couple of tweets. What does he *do* ?
- Mark
He comes up with ideas for the schmuck with the puppets
- Dave Winer
Hahaha
- Mark
lol
- Aaron Thorn
I wonder sometimes how Tech people make their living. I mean, your financial past Dave is known (you made some nice bucks back in the day), Leo Laporte has his network, Scoble has his paying gigs with rackspace, but the likes of Feldman and Gillmor and a bunch of others make me wonder what pays the bills!
- Mark
Heck, Shel Isreal has a new book coming out! baby needs a new pair of shoes
- Mark
Mark: Steve Gillmor's RealTIme Crunchup had 500 people at it. You don't think he figured out how to get paid for that? And why do you need to get paid to talk on the Internet? I did this before I got paid for it. I'm just very fortunate to have found a way to do it all the time.
- Robert Scoble
anybody know how blocking works on friendfeed? Is it bidirectional or does it merely silence the idiots?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: if you block someone you no longer can see their stuff and they can no longer see your stuff. The rest of us are unaffected.
- Robert Scoble
600, Robert.
- Steve Gillmor
Actually, that's not completely true, because the folks you block can't see you anymore they can't comment on your stuff, so we'll notice that over time your items have fewer and fewer idiots commenting on them. That will increase your personal brand. On the other hand, if you block someone who has a lot of engagement (an idiot like me, for instance) then you'll see the artifacts of their interactions with other people.
- Robert Scoble
... I do miss it as well.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I'm sure that if you did a Gillmor Gang, you would all say that Chrome OS is in fact Android 2.0 and it's going to kill Microsoft, Intel and Apple.
- Charbax
Charbax: whenever a blogger says something kills something else that just means it's more interesting than something else. Nothing more. So, if that's true, you'd be right.
- Robert Scoble
ok, but isn't new tech supposed to sometimes really cannibalize established tech. If Google OS powers $100 laptops with ARM processors all of a sudden, then who's going to buy Windows/OSX stuff anymore. And how can the old Silicon Valley giants then still make money.
- Charbax
Charbax: it's pretty rare that new stuff actually "kills" old stuff and when it does it takes years to happen. Heck, the Web has been killing AOL now for about a decade and AOL still is around. I don't think Google Chrome will get me to stop buying OSX or Windows but it could change my behavior and that is interesting.
- Robert Scoble
All major laptop OEMs showed 50 sub-$200 ARM netbook designs at Computex last month, I filmed them all http://techvideoblog.com/... (my Computex videos were on Engadget a dozen times in that week). I think Chrome OS is actually just Google optimizing the browser for all these new cheaper embedded Linux laptops.
- Charbax
scoble's definition may work for him, but when I say something's dead, it has a specific meaning -- and it's not that is no longer interesting. RSS has always been and continues to be interesting. But it's still dead.
- Steve Gillmor
Charbax: right. Hi Steve. Someday I'll get the Gillmor translation guide figured all out.
- Robert Scoble
I miss the Gillmor Gang! The industry is very dull without it...
- Michael Pinto
start with Saturday Night Live first 2 seasons
- Steve Gillmor
Keep Arrington away and it'll be fine. He killed The Gillmor Gang. Office is dead. Now The Gillmor Gang is dead. "Well now everything dies baby that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back" haha I make myself laugh, that's what's really important here.
- Diego Barros
Diego: I figure Gillmor Gang will come back right around the same time we stop talking about it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I disagree, Arrington's a tool and the perfect foil on Gillmor Gang. Renew it, intact. Saturdays on FF, TC & Twitter are a bore now...
- Thom Kennon
Robert: I'm sure it will, and I think we are all sure it will come back. Just need the dust to settle. Maybe the Gang needs a new home away from TechCrunch (or it may stay there). But yes, it will be back, Steve can't stay away. Oh and BTW, I love Steve's work. That's why I'm here talking about it.
- Diego Barros
They will be back Just will take time
- Aaron Thorn
Thom: You think he's the tool every show needs?
- Diego Barros
That's worth elaborating. Respectively, I hear the same broad sweeping, provocative statements that don't include anything in support of that statement as to why. I understand it's the only way to make a point effectively in a short window of time but I've heard too many people say "RSS is Dead" without much to support that claim/point of view. It's like someone trying to drive fashion.
- Benjamin Taylor
The iphone represents less than 1% of the global mobile phone market, yet Apple amasses $20 Billion treasury, so I guess you are right. it'll probably take them at least a few years to burn up all that money unless they quickly fire most of their 85 thousand employees.
- Charbax
Diego, yep. It keeps things interesting and makes the less toolish look (and act) more brill.
- Thom Kennon
Is there any way to listen to the old shows?
- Robert D'Alesio
RSS is Dead. RSS is live. RSS lives.
- Matt Terenzio
It's alive. Alive!
- Matt Terenzio
Like others have said, definitely miss it. My podcast lineup's not the same with iTunes showing my GG feed broken.
- Micah Wittman
I second the motion to set up the Scoble Mob!
- Ade
I agree
- Robert Burgin
i want GillmorGang back in real-time
- HansVanRock
Scoble is right, Saturday isn't the same without that [redacted] Gillmor Gang. http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
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Teen Girl Falls In Open Manhole While Texting - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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Yes, and the family is going to sue NYC. Sorry, if you trip/fall/bump into something while walking and NOT paying attention to surroundings you should not claim it is the fault of someone else. *facepalm*
- Janet
i agree but, how many of us text/email and walk at the same time - plenty. I do it but mainly keep it my eye out for people and lamp posts...not a big hole in the ground
- Zee.
Dude. A manhole? That probably means she was also crossing a street...haven't seen many manholes in the middle of sidewalks. Just sayin.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Ok the girl should have been watching where she was going, however if the manhole was open it should of been blocked,
- Kim Landwehr
Rah, manholes do exist on sidewalks. Some cities ban utilities from having manholes in the street, so they must go in the sidewalks.
- Beau "Slick Foot" Liening
definitely seen them in London, got one outside my apartment block
- Zee.
I'm sure they exist on sidewalks, just never noticed any in NYC. Kim is right, it should have been blocked if it was open, but this chick is still a moron. Next, people who crash into stuff while driving and texting will be looking for damages :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Just saying someone in that city is going to have a lot of explain to do. Of course the girl will now spend the next month saying yes I fell in a manhole. Yes I was texting.
- Kim Landwehr
Rahsheen your right....she is a moron.....should the city workers been a little bit more careful then they were....yes.....but c'mon....a manhole is a big ass hole! How could you not see that, even if you are texting. If you're going to walk on a public street and text at the same time, pay attention where you're walking.
- Bonnie Foster
The mother is what's wrong with America.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
+1 Ed
- Hutch Carpenter
She should have been watching where she was going, but when you walk along a sidewalk or cross a street, you don't generally expect there to be a gaping hole in front of you. So the manhole should either have been covered or blocked with a movable barrier. It's not safe to leave it open like that, even for people who aren't texting.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I agree with you, John.
- Kimber Scott
Sure, the manhole should have been blocked/covered IF the city or a utility removed it. However, covers get stolen all the time...
- W. Brant Kesseler
Why Teens Aren’t Using Twitter: It Doesn’t Feel Safe - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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My nieces (24 and 21) grumble it takes too much time they don't have and lacks the privacy of sharing with just friends a la Facebook. Nor do they really see the point of Twitter.
- Sally Church
This is what your going to find in social media - a pull back - to start taking back your privacy across all ages - it was fun little to share everything but personally I now have a closed twitter account , friend feed and Face Book is limited to close friends. I get more real and interesting followers and friends now then ever since closing my network and can now focus and share info with a small group.
- Luke Jeffrey Smith
Neither of my kids use it, though my younger one is more likely to than my older one. My youngest will soon be 18 and he says it's because no one he knows uses it. He does blip occasionally. My older one also says no one in her crowd uses it. At 27, she is almost set in her ways. She isn't interested in trying anything that someone she knows isn't using. Both have accounts and they simply sit there.
- Sheryl
Another thought that occurred to me, on facebook, I can't speak about myspace having never had an account, my kids, my less tech interested friends as well, they are all using facebook but also play games together there, take quizzes, exchange information. Twitter isn't that sort of environment. If they want to IM, they simply use msn or gtalk. Twitter seems to offer virtually nothing they can't find in other ways. At least on the face of it.
- Sheryl
I don't expect a large number of teens on twitter anytime soon. How many teens have blogs or do any king of publishing on the web outside the social networking sites? I don't think of twitter as a social networkign site just because it has a built in aggregator. There are content producers on twitter and then there are consumers. Unfortunately it's expensive (time wise) to consume from...
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- Hoop
@Luke, I'd say this quote "Facebook is about connecting people, and sharing information with each other. The way my friends and I see it, Facebook is a closed network." says to me they aren't doing it for privacy reasons (or still haven't clued in to the whole "network" concept). Anyone who thinks that Facebook is a closed network is in for a big surprise when someone who is a friend of...
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- Kenton
It sounds like it isn't just a safety issue -- teens aren't seeing much value in Twitter. "What? No quizzes? I can't poke anyone? FAIL." Maybe Twitter will have to get more feature-rich before it can become truly mainstream.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Twitter has privavcy controls, not quite as good as Facebooks and I don't really get their purpose on a micro-blog but it has them. Anyone got a link to an artcle that might help me understand why we would care though?
- Hoop
Hell, I ended up gravitating towards Twitter and FriendFeed, and maybe even stuff like last.fm exactly because not many people I know use them, as stupid/strange as it sounds, and I feel that I don't have to worry about "What will distant family member X, or that neighbour I lived next door to 5 years ago think about this?" when I go about my daily rounds of IRCing and social media time...
- Tyson Key
Sometimes actual functionality is obfuscated by Appearance/Form/Presentation. If we analyze Facebook and Twitter side-by-side, one can observe how to the untrained and new user eye, Facebook appears as an encapsulated container, whereas Twitter, despite the fact that under the surface one can still apply Privacy and therefore limit the network, can appear open and "unprotected"....
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- Ciro
Murdoch CEO Labels Bloggers “Political Extremists” - http://www.infowars.com/murdoch...
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"A stinging attack by John Hartigan, the CEO of Rupert Murdoch’s News Limited, labels bloggers and alternative media outlets as “political extremists”. Hartigan implies that bloggers should be jailed as they are in oppressive police states like China and Burma. In a speech to the National Press Club, Hartigan savagely dismissed blogs as, “Something of such little intellectual value as to be barely discernible from massive ignorance.”"
- Sean McBride
from Bookmarklet
"Hartigan doesn’t seem to grasp the fact that the mainstream media is always found wanting because they habitually lie about news events and spin stories to suit the demands of their corporate owners. This is the very reason why blogs and alternative media outlets have become so popular and have eaten into the mainstream media’s audience share, because people are sick of being treated like idiots, sick of being lied to, and are desperately in search of the truth."
- Sean McBride
"Indeed, Hartigan’s boss Rupert Murdoch confessed to the fact that his media empire tried to shape public opinion to support the war in Iraq In other words, Murdoch’s many prominent news outlets wantonly put out propaganda supporting the manufactured case for invasion. Murdoch admitted to this while lamenting the corporate media’s “loss of power” to alternative media and Internet blogs,...
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- Sean McBride
It would be great fun to watch a debate on policy issues between Rupert Murdoch, John Hartigan, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity on the one hand, and Glenn Greenwald, Andrew Sullivan, Jeremy Scahill and Juan Cole on the other.
- Sean McBride
Why maintream media outlets, and their owners, high officials and hired pundits, are in meltdown mode and are wildly lashing out: a single blogger, Andrew Sullivan, exerted much more influence among opinion elites on discussion about recent Iranian unrest than Fox News, The New York Times and The Washington Post combined. Their multi-billion dollar infrastructures are increasingly meaningless. They are losing power fast, and they are angry and desperate. Thus John Hartigan's intemperate comments.
- Sean McBride
"In addition, while mainstream media routinely uses anonymous sources and little more than bluster and hot air to back up their stories, blogs provide links to almost every claim they make so readers can research the source evidence for themselves. This is the opposite from Hartigan’s claim that blogs make “radical sweeping statements without evidence.” Indeed, this phrase perfectly characterizes tactics employed by the mass media on a daily basis."
- Sean McBride
Pot, kettle, etc.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I guess FN ought to stick to inviting sensible moderates like Michael "Please, Osama, attack the US!" Scheuer on. (ref http://www.newshounds.us/2009... )
- Andrew C
Or, in other news: water is wet *sigh*
- Rene Wirtz
Har har. Who the fuck cares what this shithead thinks? Raise your hand?
- Cole Jolley
*raises hand* Why? Because the people who share their social status will think this as well. It will bring a negative effect upon alternative media.
- Michael Forian
I thought we all agreed to start typing it as Fox News (R)
- Matthew DeVries
(R) for retarded, right?
- alphaxion
sure, that too
- Matthew DeVries
Oh nos! A negative "effect" upon alternative media. Is that like a death ray? Back-room deals to squelch the life force of alternative media cash flow from their vulture capitalist comrades back at the Bilderberg lounge! Shudder! Hint: it is alternative because they aren't participants. Sniff test: if they are, then it isn't alternative.
- Cole Jolley
Don't laugh at this, ironic as it may seem. Small media is starting to get under their skirts, and the MSM is moving to discredit it as a commercial competitor. As the FUD campaign continues, they will enlist political allies. This is serious. They want to strangle the baby in its bed.
- Chris Baskind
+1 Chris
- Bill Sodeman
Richard Marx: Thomas-Rasset Verdict is Farcical - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Ebert on new Transformers: "a horrible experience of unbearable length, briefly punctuated by three or four amusing moments." hat tip @lons
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Serves 'em right for messing with my childhood! :)
- Chuck Adams
I'm with you on that one Chuck.
- Oracio
Just like part 1 for me
- Josh Haley
I also hear it's a 2.5 hour toy commercial. I will still see it though for the effects.
- Mitch Featherston
Just listened to John McCain on Face The Nation, and agree with Joe Klein, he would have been a disaster as President. http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009...
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Dave, is it just me or are you actually a consistently negative person? I've been following your comments and such and it seems like you dislike lots of things. What are some things you DO like? (genuinely interested)
- Scott Magdalein
not everyone walks about with "happy pills" in their mouth ....
- Rob Sellen :o)
I just blocked that guy -- what an asshole. Geez.
- Dave Winer
BTW this is a *happy* post -- geez -- I'm happy McCain is just a Senator and not President. No joke, not funny.
- Dave Winer
lol... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Modern life for the active computer user.
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Yeah, that's about right, except we need a Commute panel showing dude playing on his iPhone in the bus/train/plane.
- Internet's Tad
I write software in my sleep during the busiest facets of my project; and they work in the morning
- RAPatton
RAP- done that myself once or twice :) Creepy.
- Roberto Bonini
Me too, but the software I write in my sleep usually just does stupid stuff that we don't really need. :)
- Internet's Tad
I don't know what's freakier, the fact that you write code in your sleep or the fact that you remember it when you wake up.
- Alex Scoble
Sad but it's true!
- Dru Kelly
i was dreaming about new features in feedly last night...but they aren't there this morning.
- Trent Olson
Trent: if you share with us some of those dreams, we will try to look into making them reality :-) Have a great sunday!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
thanks Edwin! to be honest, they weren't very good anyway! you've already implemented my "exclude websites from using mini bar" idea, for which i'm hugely thankful...
- Trent Olson
Great Joefy, that is ME!
- John Stringfellow
sort of me, except my workouts 5 days a week for my chiseled body ;o)
- sofarsoShawn
that is definitely me.....
- cris
yup thats my life, how depressing
- sean percival
Haha it's my boyfriend and his friends!
- Brandy Lea
I admit, I have FF'ed in my dreams.
- Carmen
seen this before.... years ago... made me laugh then and still does..gotta admit it almost rings true!
- Rob Sellen :o)
maybe that's why I wake up at 3 am.
- @CrystalinaB
thats me .
- johnpiercy
Searching for something has led me past this post. Was going to press the "like" button and realized I already did. So this is my second "like".
- Sarah Peterman
This is definitely true for me. I sometimes think about programs I'm working on in my sleep too.
- Mike Child
My book on display in Chapters, a large book chain in Regina, Canada http://twitpic.com/829bb
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This photo should win a Pulitzer Prize. I never expected to see photos like this one come out of Iran. Amazing: - http://twitpic.com/7c85l
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http://tehranlive.org/ is the site that seems to have originated this photo.
- Robert Scoble
I wish I knew who shot the photo. Anyone know?
- Robert Scoble
Absolut!!
- Ronald
No country is one dimensional. That's why I'm so mad at the local media.
- Mo Kargas
Robert: don't think we should unveil them, otherwise they'll be arrested ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
Absolutely incredible
- Michael Krigsman
It is pretty remarkable. It was so good when I saw it last night on Twitter I was afraid it might be a fake.
- Jeff Namnum
It might be Amir Sadhegi. I friended him on FB last night. He's an independent photog associated with Tehranlive.org
- Jill Elswick
I just left a comment for him about the photo...
- Jill Elswick
I'm afraid to think what happened to this brave woman.
- Orli Yakuel
Jill: thank you. Here's his Facebook profile: http://www.facebook.com/amirpix... and his photo page: http://www.amirpix.com/ Incredible photo, best one to capture the event yet.
- Robert Scoble
http://flickrfan.files.wordpress.com/2009... I like this one
- BryanSchuetz
Robert: You're welcome. Here, also, is a link to the Tehranlive.org "about" page. It lists Amir Sadhegi as the contact: http://tehranlive.org/about/
- Jill Elswick
Very moving - that is a brave person.
- Alex Hellstrom
Front picture of this women: http://twitpic.com/7c6jz
- Orli Yakuel
Alex: the photographer is brave too. Wow, what close work.
- Robert Scoble
Iran "tankwoman"
- K.D.
Robert: your tweet is now the popular here http://iran.twazzup.com/
- Johni Fisher
None of this reporting -- None of it -- would be possible without online tools. Robert -- there's the 2010 Web! I seem to remember your earlier question (a few months ago) about the definition of journalism. This is it. It's not up to the "paid journalists" at the NY Times or Chicago Tribune anymore. It's up to you, me, people like @jamesbuck, and the person who took this photo and put it online.
- Curt Mercadante
Curt: amen!
- Robert Scoble
I'm not really surprised, Iranians are a lot more empowered than people in the West think. It is *not* Saudi Arabia!
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Robert: I didn't even think about the photographer! Thanks for pointing that out. I do believe I'll be looking at all these pics in a different light now.
- Alex Hellstrom
Thanks for getting this out. It's so easy to get lost in tweeting about our silly mundane lives that we forget how important images like this can result in making people aware and helping to make a difference in the world.
- mrsha
Amazing photo - thanks for finding it & sharing it Robert!
- Gurpreet
What happened to her after all?
- Christine Yang
Robert Scoble, Thank you for informing about current news in Iran. We will never forget this. (from Iran)
- Zahra (raoros)
I thought the same thing last night. Maybe the Iranians finally are willing to make some change.
- Tom Searing
@Tom Searing: I hope so, the only way is change...
- Zahra (raoros)
Photo of the year.
- Mike Doeff
moment!
- reality
چی میشه آخرش
- Hamid
Curt, right, after listening to Scoble on a panel about the future of Journalism, and he was the only one "journalizing" it via Kyte, I wrote a post that the future of Journalism is a video camera or in this case a camera. I remember that it was the camera and video camera that stopped Vietnam for instance
- Stephen Pickering
And, putting aside for a bit whether or not CNN ignored the story -- we're now getting news that NBC's Tehran office may have been raided and the BBC has been told to "get lost." Under oppressive, censoring regimes like we have in Iran, North Korea and China -- citizen journalists empowered by new communications tools will be the ONLY way we get accurate news from these regions.
- Curt Mercadante
Curt Mercadante 100+
- Bora Zivkovic
the detail- the untied shoe lace. wow.
- anna sauce
Inspiring. Let's hope the government falls. Because if it doesn't, there will probably be vicious repression.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
روز زن مبارک
- hamidreza
I am the photographer of this photo
- Amir
It's really a fantastic photo Amir, do you know the woman in the photo?
- BryanSchuetz
WOW. How can you say anything else?
- Sheryl
I love the fact that people start setting up proxy servers for the people in Iran: http://bit.ly/Fiqmb
- Holger Eilhard
Shocking stuff
- Tyson Key
If anyone ever doubted the revolutionary, real-time impact of Social Media, this photo easily dispels those misconceptions....
- John Fenzel
Amir: you have a fan for life. I hope you do win the Pulitzer Prize. I think you got the iconic photo of the election protests. This one should hang in Newseum's Pulitzer Gallery. Can you tell us how you shot it, and give us more details about what was going on in your head as you pressed the shutter button? To everyone else, don't you love friendfeed?
- Robert Scoble
Amir: when I took photojournalism at San Jose State University one quote stuck in my mind from all those classes over the years "If your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough." That quote was from Robert Capa, here's an article in Time Magazine about it: http://www.time.com/time... You have gotten close enough. Congrats, I can't even imagine trying to get this close. I hope all comes out well for your country and you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I've only been using friendfeed for about 5 days and I'm already in love with it. I guess I picked a good time to try it out!
- Alex Hellstrom
Amir, what do you shoot with?
- EricaJoy
Ahmadinejad Re-Elected; Protests Flare - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
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"The authorities declared Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the official winner of Iran’s presidential election on Saturday afternoon, but opposition candidates and their supporters insisted the election had been stolen, and riot police officers used batons and tear gas against thousands of demonstrators in the worst street protests in a decade."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
it's a chaos!
- Mohammad
its a shame
- Onur Baykal
i'm in tehran now.police is everywhere.mobile network is down
- Mohammad
could these lead to a revolution?
- Onur Baykal
i don't think so since the protests are limited to tehran and a few large cities
- Mohammad
We haven't free access to friendfeed.com now. It is banned by tehran regime.
- آدمیرال
amiran1, how can you get to FriendFeed if it is blocked?
- Rochelle
Do you think the elections are legitimate?
- Onur Baykal
it is not blocked through university network.even gtalk is blocked in some parts of the city.they are blocking all routs of communication
- Mohammad
This is really a shame. :/
- Obayoo
@Onur That's the question, isn't it? I don't know the answer, but it's crazy to have such riots result from a legitimate election, if it was one.
- Chris Lasher
election is stolen.we all beleive it.there are obvious facts
- Mohammad
@Mohammad: What facts? Really great to have someone "on location" who doesn't work for usual news media! Thanks for your insights!
- Holger Eilhard
PC:some groups have requested for election to be renewed.but officials haven't approve it and ahmadinejad has spoken on tv.i dont think there will be a major change but people are really angry
- Mohammad
And when there were protests in the US when the election was stolen in 2000, did they change anything? No. And here too there were obvious facts (not the least of which was the beginning of part 2 of the then-new president's father's war in Iraq) It is truly a shame that Iran hasn't apparently had fair and free elections, but really, where are such things held?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Holger:the pole results was biased with a linear function!!we found it using MATLAB!and the officials were silent till afternoon although the results were declared in the morning.they themselves are not sure about the results
- Mohammad
guruvan, are you suggesting that the election of President Obama wasn't fair and free?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ah shit...
- Mike Nayyar
Akiva: I specified the year 2000, so in that statement, no I did not suggest that. I suggested that the election of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney was not fair and free. (But, I have my opinions on the current administration as well)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So you're not talking about the current election in Iran, then, but an election held in 2000?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I am suggesting that elections in most places are not fair and free, so we should not be surprised that an election in Iran was not either.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I hear beeping.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Beeping?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I really wish my friend Key would come back home from Iran.
- Kay Designer
It's very unfortunate that Iran feels the need to block communications. This is, to me, far worse than stealing an election.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Oh NOooo!!! very sad
- Susan Beebe
you should see what happend here today to see the real SAD!they were hitting everyone.everyone in range
- Mohammad
I'm really impressed with you guys, Mohommad. No matter who gets elected it's people like you who have the power to change the country and your future. Hope things calm down over there and more innocents don't get hurt or worse.
- vijay
Mohammad - Please be eyes and ears for us while you can. I heard alot mobiles were not working anymore. and I cant get any email in to Key at all. (2 months now!)
- Kay Designer
mobile comunication are down from 20:00 local time.and even internet services are almost down in some parts of the city based on latest news from friends
- Mohammad
kay:everything was ok till yesterday.your email problem is probably not related to this
- Mohammad
:( That truly is sad. Violence is always an unhappy thing in my book. I'm very glad that you can still communicate with us Mohammad. Thank you.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Shouldn't this say "allegedly" re-elected?
- Missionary Broadcasting
a bunch of dramatic photos and video here: http://friendfeed.com/sober
- Cee Bee
Although I didn't vote Ahmadinejad but I approve official results. The election was really clear. These are young people who hate Ahmadinejad and can't accept the results.
- Hassan
حسن واقعن فک میکنی اگه واضح بود این اعتراضا پیش میومد؟
- Mohammad
I'm agree with Hassan too ;)
- I /-\li
Mohammed. NIce to hear from you! What I meant is. Her box is on Yahoo (which is based in USA or Europe(?). But, I don't think she can get to it anymore from Tehran (is Yahoo blocked there?) Otherwise I would have heard from her by now. Once the mobile lines clear, I'll try to reach her via cell... I just don't think this is her new number there...
- Kay Designer
if she can access an internet connection she can reach yahoo with no problem.hope you can reach her via phone
- Mohammad
Mohammad. Well if all else fails, I have you there to help me find her. Thanks again :-)
- Kay Designer
yeah.sure.i would be happy if i can help:)
- Mohammad
Mohammad - Many thanks! Keyv is my god-sister, so that means alot to me! Main thing is, right now today, for YOU to take good care of yourself! Don't get hit with a rock or bottle like that photo above - if things get going real crazy!
- Kay Designer
"The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do" - attributed to Joseph Stalin ( via http://www.worldofquotes.com/author... )
- ianf ⌘
so very true ianf... :(
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Sorry world, we tried. The oppression and injustice imposed on the Iranian people for the past 30 years needs to stop! Ahmadinejad doesn't represent the will, desire or future of Iran and Iranian people.
- Kasra
@Kasra "the oppression and injustice imposed on the Iranian people..." - you forgot to insert "self-imposed." Not salting the wounds, but this isn't the first time in history when the oppressed sought release from one kind of injustice/ despotism in another kind, the self-imposed religious one, thus far more insidious than the former.
- ianf ⌘
better than no elections, right... I never take a chance to vote. you know, I'm Chinese.
- xiawinter
No, I didn't, and you're wrong. It is IMPERATIVE that people vote, even in rigged conditions. 20 years ago, when your fellow countrymen were being massacred in Tiananmen Square, on the very same day, 4th of June 1989, the Poles voted the communist system out even though the election rules agreed in talks with non-parlamentary opposition/ the Solidarity trade unions and Church...
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- ianf ⌘
This is my country :(((((((
- αida®
Oh my motherland is burning in fire :(((
- Zahra (raoros)
I'm relieved that my country doesn't recognize the outcome. I hope that something can come of that to effect some sort of change in yours. :( I hope that this change can be one of peace.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It's very disturbing to me when not only is an election apparently stolen but the opposition leaders are placed under arrest. The arrest certainly lends credibility to the belief that the election was rigged.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Reacting to the riot is the regular process every country takes against one
- Seltoon
Yes Muhammad, I think the election was free and clear. We had a very hot election you're angry now and I understand you. Hope things calm down in next few days.
- Hassan
It's hard to tell with the jumble of second hand sources pouring in whether the election was rigged or not (and it will be very hard to tell unless something enormous comes forward). However, regardless of the election reliability, it is a bad sign for a free democracy in Iran to have politicians arresting their opposition.
- Brandon Titus
Yes Brandon, Unfortunately It's a bad sign...
- Hassan
arresting the opposition is only a rumor, it's not confirmed
- Seltoon
Good to know. I just hope everything is sorted out and Iran can be a stable democracy in the future. The results look fishy to me and the reports of arrests and heavy handed action by the government don't help the case. Hopefully stability will come soon.
- Brandon Titus
problem with the elections is that simple majority wins (e.g. 50%+1 vote); but in cases of narrow elections minority is actually more powerful (in terms of aggressiveness, effectiveness and so on; i.e. it leads to instability); i think landslide (like 2/3) majority must decide an election - if there's 50/50, then both candidates have to withdraw ... (or something needs to be done about this in any case)
- minus-one
While I cannot confirm the ownership of the twitter account, a tweet was sent allegedly form house arrest. In many other cases a single tweet has carried a great deal of truth and weight - but we shall see. It's hard, though, to make up 100s of arrests. This seems to be something that could be verified
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
seltoon اینجا هم دست از دروغ بر نمیدارید؟دستگبری تاج زاده و نبوی رو که ایرنا تایید کرده!
- Mohammad
Islamic Republic News Agency(IRNA) has confirmed the arrests
- Mohammad
LAT Middle East Bureau Chief http://borzou.com is filing frequent analysis updates from Tehran at http://latimes.com/iran
- Andrew Nystrom @ LAT
Thanks, Andrew.
- Anne Bouey
Interesting, Mike Arrington deleted the TechCrunch account on friendfeed. My additional thoughts are on mobs and this here:
Gordon Saunders, Simone Lovati, Rick Bucich and 180 other people liked this
be right back with more.
- Robert Scoble
That makes me sad because it was my favorite tech blog to click "like" on. I talked with Mike this morning at an event and he said last night was one of the worst he's ever lived through with the amount of hatred aimed at him. He deleted 600 Techcrunch comments, too, he told me.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, interesting.
- Kevin Whalen
Some of the comments I've seen on both sides of the aisle are pretty damn repugnant. I've had that kind of stuff aimed at me in the past and it's never fun.
- Robert Scoble
he pissed off Leo's hardcore fans
- David Lloyd
wow, deleted the tc account. Scoble: what do you think are going to be the long term implications of this?
- ming yeow
It just goes to show that people love to pay attention to negative things, but rarely to positives, or when people make efforts to make up for past misgivings. Sad, but human nature.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Funny, I remember helping push a mob against some people I really didn't like and a friend really ripped into me for doing that. My friend was right, of course. Interesting that not many people are speaking up against the kinds of comments (aimed personally, not at the substance of what happened). I want to be counted as one of those who stood up personally against the kind of comments I've seen.
- Robert Scoble
600 hateful comments? Puts a knot in my stomach just thinking about it. Have had the occasional hate comments but never to that extent
- David Weedmark
I didn't dig into those treads too much but imagine they got pretty nasty, probably more so on digg. too bad though, i used FF to find lots of TC content
- sean percival
Mark: and Leo should call them back and tell them shame. The kinds of things I've seen against Mike (and some against Leo too) are just awful. People saying that Mike should get cancer and die and worse.
- Robert Scoble
That seems weird.. Why would anyone delete an account on FF. Were they a lot of hateful comments posted to his account?
- Bindu Reddy
thats fucked up Robert.
- David Lloyd
David: Given the number of people who hate Arrington's guts, 600 doesn't seem too bad. Just one person harassing you over a period of years over the net (as I've had) is much worse than 600 random people digging at you once and then going away.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Very strange... Was it hacked?
- Hugo Romano
But don't you think due to a LOT of pent up frustration against Mike? His attitude has always been a point of contentment amongst lots of people i know.
- ming yeow
Bindu: Mike is actually a pretty sensitive guy beneath a lot of bluster. I'm to blame for pushing the friendfeeders to poke at Mike.
- Robert Scoble
ming: there's some of that that's Mike's fault too. But when mobs happen they always go overboard.
- Robert Scoble
SCOBLE: I was the one who posted the video on youtube (MPB326) that everyone has been linking to and I have gotten the 700+ comments to my email account. I can't believe some of the stupid things people are saying on YouTube. Terrible stuff! I was actually thinking about deleting the video.
- Mike Bracco
Sorry but he shouldn't have deleted his FF account. He should have stayed the storm. I think what he said to Leo was out of line, but to receive the vitriol he has is unnecessary. I think he deserves criticism, but not cancer threats.
- kenneth glenn
Yeah that's really screwed up. If those people want to get pissed off at something, come to a third world country and take a gander at all the "real" abuses people do. Talk about making you sick ...
- Nick in Manila
scobe: roger that. I like leo a lot, but that seemed to be an overreaction by him. then the mobs wayyyy over reacted
- ming yeow
ming: and go far further than the problem that incited them in the first place. And Mike rarely gets personal, as far as I have seen, even when his barbs are aimed at something I've done.
- Robert Scoble
Mike acts like a dick. Then again, so do I. I used to have a hate-on for him myself until I realized that really, he's a lot like me... Ballsy and annoying on the outside, but a real human with real feelings on the inside. I'm not afraid to call him a jerk to his face, but that's his behaviour I'm commenting on, not him personally.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I don't get why people feel so compelled to fling poo at Michael. He says contentious things, has strong opinions, and sometimes screws up...that makes him human and reasonably interesting. I think that is a good thing.
- Neal Jansons
Chris: we're all dicks once in a while. I think that's part of being human. Far as I know there's only one perfect human who has walked on the earth and I bet even he wasn't perfect if we actually could get to know him.
- Robert Scoble
Neal: Everyone loves taking everyone else down a notch or two. Primate dominance games.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Mike it would be better to post the follow up video on youtube. It was an interesting conversation and would help put everything into context.
- Benjamin Taylor
Neal: Chris nailed it. We love building people up and then dragging them down. I told Mike that whenever I've gotten a shit storm to form it's been when I've been at my most interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Benjamin - yeah I wish I also captured the conversation a little while after between Arrington and Leo where they talked it out.
- Mike Bracco
This is sad
- Johni Fisher
Arrington works his ass off, I've watched him as he's gone after a story. I can't do what he does.
- Robert Scoble
Leo has this massive army of supporters, and many more who probably found the clip and came to support him. These weren't neutral third parties giving their honest opinion on the incident, they were Leo supporters through and through. I can't blame him for deleting the account, because I was reading the comments, and they were tough.
- Colin
I'm really surprised that Mike still, after all the crap he gets, feels hurt from these comments by people. But last night he and Leo were both discussing how these comments about "mike should die" are not from reasonable, of right mind people. I'm sad that he takes those comments to heart. And I'm sad that trolls thrive in this place (the internet) I love.
- Lise
Has Leo said anything to his supporters about their attacks on Mike since yesterday, by the way?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
As much as we all may like and respect Arrington, it just seems as if he was trying to create news at Leo's expense.
- Stuart Tracte
Chris, Robert: I know, but Mike is center of poo-flinging more often than most, and he got freaking SPIT on and had his family threatened last year. It just amazes me, and honestly, each snafu just makes me more sympathetic with him personally (I still sometimes disagree with him, professionally, of course, but that is just the biz).
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Colin: yeah, and Leo should have spoken to his audience and told them to stay professional. But that will come back to Leo someday. These things always do, which is why my friend was correct when he told me never to push a mob.
- Robert Scoble
I missed TWiT so I don't know if Leo brought it up or not during the show, but I hope he took an opportunity to tell others that its not their place to fight Mike on Leo's behalf. Especially after they made up.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
But Robert, working your ass off isn't an excuse for behaving badly to people or acting the way arirngton has in the past. Hard work doesn't mean you get to be a jerk
- David Lloyd
Neal: yeah, some people become larger than life and it makes people feel that it's OK to do pretty outrageous things against them.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: He didn't. I'm not sure he's even aware of the comments Mike got.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Leo said at the end of his TWIT feed that he "had trouble sleeping last night." Perhaps because of this brou-ha-ha?
- Steve Burgess
Vlad: Thanks. That's a shame, I think it'd be really good for both sides if Leo did come out and say this to everyone. Even if he just recorded a short video clip and tossed it up, standalone.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Whatever either of them say at this point, it has gone beyond them and their ability to "do" anything
- Susan Reynolds
Robert, Leo could have said "please stay professional" a thousand times but come on, this is the internet. Do trolls, who are always ready for a fight, listen to that?
- Lise
Susan: Perhaps, but it would still help allow cooler minds and attitudes to prevail and in a shorter time than if they remain silent.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Mark: I think Arrington would agree with you.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: He brought the incident up, but didn't calm anyone down. Again, I'm not sure he's aware of what's been going on.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Also, the Gillmor Gang section is gone: http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/
- Greg Byrne
i still post all my posts here. i can post the other TC ones if you guys want too.
- MG Siegler
Chris, that's true, but there are still a vast army of followers who think they are in the right and just go off half cocked - and stay that way
- Susan Reynolds
Lise: true too.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Lise: probably not, but my friend's words ring true: to hold back mobs as much as possible.
- Robert Scoble
This is 1. not a surprise & 2. mobs are not at the behest of the personalities they follow. They are mobs. Mobs glom onto some perceived raison d'etre and go. If Arrington, after all of his time pushing buttons and twisting tits, is surprised by this, well, he's a whole hell of a lot dumber than he ever gets credit for being.
- Dave Martin
Leo and Steve had a big fight last night: bottom line is GG is off the twit network
- David Lloyd
MG: that would be cool. Techcrunch was my #1 most "liked" feed here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
People saying stupid things in comments? This is nothing new. Sometimes you just don't want to deal with it anymore.
- Dean Clark
perhaps someone could set up an acocunt that will link to TC articles as they are posted in real time
- David Lloyd
Susan: "Madness is rare in individuals--but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule." -- Nietzsche
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I hope he recreates it.
- Johnny Worthington
Dave: I don't think he's surprised by it, just shocked at how bad it's gotten.
- Robert Scoble
Perhaps someone could write a piece detailing the mob situation, defending Arrington, and encouraging him to come back, maybe this is it.
- Colin
Dave Martin: I get why he's surprised. There's always a disconnect between someone like him and the so called community, and also there's always a mob waiting to be formed.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Not all of those comments were hateful. he pissed me off more when he deleted mine. I pointed out what he said and then opined that I didn't think it was enough and he deleted this: http://ff.im/3FDfA
- Jimminy
Big names, little names, it's still hard to see hateful things aimed your way. Intellectually most of us understand, but emotions sometimes get in the way even to the big fish
- Susan Reynolds
wtf happened? i missed it and am sorry whatever came to this has come to this.
- jeneane sessum
Chris: good quote! My history teacher in College simplified that to "the masses are asses."
- Robert Scoble
Maybe he is just shocked that not only Leo's community attacked him but also his "loyal" techcrunch community gave him a bashing
- David Lloyd
Robert, I see your point, but I don't need to be told to refrain from attacking someone. I saw what happened. I wish Leo hadn't gotten *so* angry but I respect that he feels passionately. He was defending his integrity. So that I respect. I respect Mike for handling it all so well and not throwing F bombs back. And I love Leo. But I wasn't going to curse Mike or wish death upon him. So those that did, there's no changing them.
- Lise
Jeneane: Mike and Leo got into it on Gillmor Gang yesterday. There's a whole thread about that.
- Robert Scoble
Not sure how taking TC off FF relates to the problems Arrington was having in comments on his blog. ?
- Nick in Manila
TechCrunch Question: I noticed that my comments on FF for TechCrunch articles also appeared as part of TC's comments on their site. Is that part of FF API?
- Mike Bracco
Nick: the most hostile comments were in FF comments
- David Lloyd
Jeneane: http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Vlad Bobleanta
Mark: Aha.
- Nick in Manila
oh jeez. thx robert. i'm sorry to hear that. sounds like the chorus got active. - thanks for the link Vlad. had no idea.
- jeneane sessum
Mike: You can import FF comments onto Wordpress posts via a plugin
- Nicholas James
Lise: good point, but I've learned that if leaders call on their followers to behave appropriately then they usually do. I don't want anyone who calls for someone else to get cancer to read me, by the way. I am here to have great conversations about tech. Keep it on the tech and we'll have a great time.
- Robert Scoble
Lise, Robert, the hateful comments say more about the idiots who write them than about the two personalities about which the angry words swirl
- Susan Reynolds
Nick: death threats etc
- David Lloyd
Lise: There are those who were ready to tear Arrington to shreds, at least until the mutual apologies of him and Leo came out on TechCrunch. At least, I can't believe I'm the only one who felt like that. Some angry people can be assauged.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Mark: Not sure I agree. The Youtube comments are terrible.
- Mike Bracco
it's difficult to be surprised by the size of this reaction.like it or not, you guys are celebrities.
- Stuart Tracte
Mike: no, Techcrunch had a Wordpress Plugin that was doing that. That Plugin has been removed, too.
- Robert Scoble
Colin: I think the general flip-out crazy needs to be addressed, but it needs to be by an A-lister so everyone sees it. The whole way these things are happening makes the whole industry look insane and unprofessional.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Stuart: The size, yes. The venom of it, though?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
shouldnt be too hard to make an unofficial ff account for techcrunch posts
- David Lloyd
someone wanna go do it?
- David Lloyd
Stuart: that's the thing. We're also people and Mike is sensitive like the rest of us (even if he has built a persona that shows him as above it all).
- Robert Scoble
Mark: Surprised if someone hasn't already beaten us all to it.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Mark: I'd rather not do that. I'd rather someone at Techcrunch does that.
- Robert Scoble
There are a few existing TC accounts from their feed.
- Benjamin Taylor
Scoble's made the point that FF has structural features to control that kind of stuff. Guess it was overwhelmed.
- Nick in Manila
Chris C, so you were one of the ones wishing death upon Mike until he apologized?
- Lise
well im sure if Arrington took it down, it is probably TC policy not to have FF account, his other writers wont make one
- David Lloyd
Fanboys are going to follow whatever lead they're directed. If Leo had said that Mike had terrible BO, there'd be thousands of Leo disciples telling Arrington to get himself some deodorant. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.
- Jay Caruso
hows this http://friendfeed.com/techcru...
- Jack
Leo is well-spoken, he makes things sound good, he's a well-known likeable guy, and he was the one on video, that's a lot of things going for him if you ignore everything else that's going on, and people do. Just mob mentality and drive-by commenting.
- Colin
Behind every great character there is a real person. I just hope that the more rational people currently participating in the mob realize this and understand what they're doing before they do anything worse.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Nick: well, yes. I wish we could have a team feed from Techcrunch.
- Robert Scoble
I still like Mike and don't think he should have deleted the TC account. I enjoy the TC posts but find that Mike and Erick tend to get to a point that makes me want to stop reading their stuff, and I won't for a few days.
- Jimminy
Just create a public standard feed/group (owner controls posts, anyone can comnent), and import TC from twitter/RSS/whatever.
- Ken Kennedy
Lise: Not wishing death, but I certainly would have given him shit and got up in his face if I had the chance. I don't fight (often) but I do relish giving hell to people.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Done: http://friendfeed.com/techcru...
- Jack
Jay, that's not true. I am a huge Leo fangirl but I also think for myself.
- Lise
The people who were commenting took it too far - Mike Appologised. Leo Appologised. That should have been it although Leo's fans just tried to continue to call mike for no reason.
- Nicholas James
Jack, subscribed.
- Robert Scoble
Lise, it wasn't a blanket statement. I've been a fan of Leo's since the old Tech TV days. Just saying that some will take it too far and it all it takes is the person to open that door a crack.
- Jay Caruso
Thanks, Jacky boy x
- David Lloyd
Thanks, Jack!
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Thanks Jack!
- Nicholas James
Robert, is there anything else that needs doing? I think I got it right
- Jack
Wait... is Jack affiliated with Techcrunch? Why not have MG do this? He offered.
- Ken Sheppardson
Nicholas: At this point I'd probably be calling Arrington to tell him to not take it too personally, that mobs are really just sheep with pointy teeth.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
FF is a focus group in many ways. Sad commentary IMHO.
- Eric Logan
Jack, Robert: MG can handle this. He writes for Techcrunch. How 'bout we not squat on their brand?
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris C, exactly. You just said, you relish giving people hell. You're always ready for a fight. I, on the other hand, am not. And I looked at this situation and considered both sides, despite being a huge Leo fan and not knowing many details on Mike (other than he pisses people off)
- Lise
Is there really much more discussion about this? What is done is done. It's already in the past & let's move on. No one knows how this will affect Leo in the future if at all.
- Jason Hansen
Want to know what else happened? A single moderator in Leo's IRC chat room muted the entire channel, causing the mob to spill into FriendFeed.
- Colin
When I first was diagnosed w/ cancer and the twitter community started the frozen pea fund to donate to cancer research, Mike and Robert were among the first to write about it. As I see it, they both keep a human touch to the community no matter how popular the following. I appreciate that and so maybe its easier for me to see past some of the things that upset the crowds.
- Susan Reynolds
I'm not affiliated in any way with TC
- Jack
are you okay now Susan ? xxx
- David Lloyd
Lise: anyone who does interesting things in media is going to piss someone off. Even me, I try to take reasonable positions and do my homework, but I have lots of haters out there too. It's unavoidable.
- Robert Scoble
Jason, I think there is. Considering Mike deleted his account and the GG site no longer exists on techcrunch. I feel bad for Mike and Steve.
- Lise
OK, if he asks
- Jack
Eric - true - ff as focus group
- Susan Reynolds
Why do you feel bad for Mike & Steve?
- Jason Hansen
Lise: Steve deleted the GG page, if I heard that correct. It will be interesting to see how the Gillmor Gang goes forward from here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, no I get that. But that's my point. I know Mike is capable of that. And I'm way more of a Leo fangirl. Yet I wasn't with my fist in the air yelling "fight!"
- Lise
Mark - thanks for asking. Not OK but very supported by the best of the net
- Susan Reynolds
Basically the only 2 people who should have been involved was Mike and Leo. They both appologised - the mob tried to get involved and call Mike for no reason - I mean after both of them appologising to each other that should have been it - people took it too far with some of the comments I saw yesterday.
- Nicholas James
Because Steve realized his show isn't really his show. And Mike got hell when he didn't even give Leo that much shit to begin with.
- Lise
You know, my main issue with what happened yesterday, is that it was an ego clash. And just that. Funny that in the make-up part Leo kept insisting that he'd like more content on GG and less drama, an hour or two after he himself caused a helluva lot of drama. I do love Leo and watch all of his shows, but yesterday he was overreacting. And I think he figured that out in the mean time....
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- Vlad Bobleanta
ROBERT: oops caps, I do know Leo and Steve had a fight last night and its not gonna be on TWiT anymore x
- David Lloyd
If the mob is acting "in Leo's name", then I think Leo should try and tell them that they're certainly not acting with his permission or blessings. That they should disband and stop attacking Mike.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Steve still seems like he's trying to throw his weight around and try to be in complete control of the show. He needs to remember its not just about him - its about the audience - something he said he didn't care about yesterday
- Nicholas James
My impression is the guy went over tipping point for the kind of character he was putting out there, at some point people are going to say enough is enough.
- Ian Wright
Nicholas: the show used to be private, Im not sure Steve cares that much about the audience
- David Lloyd
Live by the sword...
- Ian Wright
Vlad, it was the final straw for Leo. He had said before that Mike was becoming too trollish during the GG show. And when he felt like Mike was about to attack his integrity, well, he blew up. Unfortunately.
- Lise
gillmor gang is going to be nothing more than a conference call :-(
- Tobias Lewsadder
Nicholas: Steve cares about the audience more than he lets on. He knows that by making things interesting he's doing right by the audience. That doesn't mean, though, that you kowtow to the audience.
- Robert Scoble
Tobias: heheh, in the real time world? THAT I would have to see!
- Robert Scoble
Isn't that your opinion Robert?
- Jason Hansen
I watched the whole thing unfold last night including the after show and it was clear that Mike Arrington spoke before he thought and didn't mean it to come out like people including Leo took it. I am glad that they both cooled down and realized it was a simple mis communication. Its too bad the crowd can't do the same. Mike Arrington may be a pain in the butt but pain in the butts are interesting.
- Kim Landwehr
Jason, sorry, lost context. This is all my opinion. I can't speak for anyone else other than me.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: bing!
- Robert Scoble
"Arrington works his ass off, I've watched him as he's gone after a story. I can't do what he does." Doesn't make his insinuations right. I work hard and couldn't do what he does probably - but that doesn't mean he can act like a jerk - repeatedly according to some.
- Mark Outten
I'm pretty sure the Techcrunch <-> Friendfeed comment sync was disabled a few days ago. Not sure it had anything to do with the dust-up yesterday.
- Ken Sheppardson
Lise: I know why it happened. I understand that was building inside Leo over time. I get that.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert, that really bugged me that Steve said he didn't care about the community. But I agree, he cares greatly about the show and the community. He wouldn't have been so hurt if he didn't.
- Lise
i was blown away by the second episode of gg. it almost seemed like arrington was torn by who he had turned into, at least the negativity that resides within hm.
- Tobias Lewsadder
It's probably just the mob he's upset with Lise.
- Colin
I also agree with Kim. I enjoyed watching GG at 6:00 PM during the last hour of shift at work. I would still watch it as well as TWiT.
- Jason Hansen
He was hurt by some of the comments, he also blamed Dave Winer for alot of problems
- David Lloyd
Mark: who said he's a jerk? Sometimes we're all jerks. And, anyway, when he's being a jerk he usually is keeping it on the story. Not personal. He's taken lots of shots at me but has NEVER said that I should get cancer and die. That's unacceptable.
- Robert Scoble
Vlad, okay and I agree with you that Mike should blow those comments off. I'm shocked he hasn't grown a thicken skin
- Lise
I think that if anyone bothered to read the Techcrunch appology and watch/listen to the 2nd Gillmor Gang yesterday they'd know the full story. The mob listened to the 1st Gillmor Gang only and drew their conclusions - some of that mob didn't even listen to Gillmor Gang - they just jumped on the bandwagon like sheep especially as they saw like a 1 minute clip on Youtube summarising it.
- Nicholas James
I don't know Arrington personally, all I can judge him from is his body of work with TechCrunch and it's top notch. Anyone who criticizes him in a vicious way needs to look in the mirror. A lot of those with the harsh words are probably typing it from their parents basement. I just hate when people rip other people with a pretext of being something else when it's really jealousy.
- Mike Bracco
Lise: it's always easy to say people should have a thick skin until you're the one at the center of a mob getting kicked in the groin. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Mike: bing!
- Robert Scoble
Steve Gillmor clearly stated that he doesn't care about the audience. And that's that for me, Robert. Lise: I can see Steve cares about the show, and especially his brand inside the show. About the audience, he said it better than I ever could. Please believe the man.
- Vlad Bobleanta
I think the Steve-Leo conflict (which was briefly obvious on the show) got totally overshadowed and subsumed by the Leo-Mike issue.
- Nick in Manila
Robert's comment exactly.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Robert, true. I know I couldn't handle it.
- Lise
Robert: You like Microsoft's new search engine. ;)
- Jason Hansen
Vlad: you aren't listening carefully. I heard what Steve said yesterday and totally understood what he was saying. You can't let the audience drive your product. Ask a Porsche owner what they want and they'll say "more trunk space, smoother ride, more leg room, etc." They just designed a Volvo.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: 100% agreed. I do not want to be in Mike's position, ever.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: all of us in media care DEEPLY about the audience. If you hung around any of these people you'd know that we read every comment and take them very seriously. But the day you start listening to the audience and kowtowing to them is the day when you lose your way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How does the mob get its "justice" then? I have not seen the venomous postings you speak of, nor do I agree in any way that that is the way to go. So, how does this get resolved? I, like many, believe Leo was being "entrapped". How does Arrington get out of this with his reputation intact? He's done alot for all of us and definitely does not deserve the level of hatred you speak of, but something need to be done...
- Stuart Tracte
Stuart: most of the nastiest stuff has been deleted.
- Robert Scoble
Make a good product and the audience will find you.
- Kim Landwehr
Side note: Do not try to converse on FF on an iphone.... had a whole paragraph written out.... and lost it...
- Stuart Tracte
I think Arrington and Leo will come out of this fine, I'm already paying more attention to both of them.
- Colin
Stuart: you should go and listen to the second show we did last night. Leo wasn't entraped. And he didn't have to react that way. When people question my ethics I answer them calmly. I get questioned on that all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Every week someone asks me if I'm paid by friendfeed, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I am listening, and I get your point. I never got Steve's attitude, though. And I was just spinning what he said, I did get the underlying meaning.
- Vlad Bobleanta
(I'm not).
- Robert Scoble
Tonights FF homework: listen to the full GG show to become better informed http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
i was in the middle of typing a comment on tech crunch last night when mike shut down the comments, how sad. he mentioned having to have a police car parked in front of his house in the past for similar issues... that is wrong!!!
- Tobias Lewsadder
SCOBLE: totally agree! true innovation can't come from what the "flock" is saying they want. True innovators are so because they create something that no-one knew they needed until it is created.
- Mike Bracco
Honestly, I suspect that every person who got really pissed at @arrington over the years but had decided to ignore him went back and told him what they'd thought of him all along. He's ruined companies and products on the grandstand. I read his stuff like I watch fox news, for the truth far from the middle but for clues of what might be left out on the sunny side.
- Shava Nerad
Vlad: Gillmor is an interesting person. I don't always get him either.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, still. I am that community that Steve supposedly doesn't care about. And that's where I almost did pump my fist in the air. When Steve said he didn't care and Leo instantly said he *did* care. But... again, I feel bad for Steve, still. His issue was just loss of control over his baby (the show)
- Lise
Colin: Professionally, sure! This isn't any kind of permanent damage to either of them. Personally, though, I know that it's got to hurt them both.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris, I think they're both tougher now.
- Colin
Shava: He's made many hundreds of companies too. I don't know of a single one that was ruined by TechCrunch. Please back that statement up.
- Robert Scoble
Colin: You'd be surprised. Often the people who seem to have the thickest skin on the outside are the most sensitive on the inside.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Does Leo know any of this, btw? I think he thinks this is all over with...considering he was joking about it all. I think he's embarrassed and trying to make light of it. But I don't think it's over, unfortunately.
- Lise
Seriously everyone who did not listen to the 2nd show shouldn't even comment on it. Infact the problem should be over and done with it was a minor row which ended pretty quickly with both appologising to each other. That should be the end of it. Instead of people jumping on the bandwagon trying to call someone because he has a huge readership base and earns a nice amount of revenue from his blog
- Nicholas James
still watching.
- jeneane sessum
If they were ruined by TechCrunch then I'd have to call that company pretty lame. Remember PodTech? Mike pointed out a lack of leadership at the company. In hindsight Mike was right.
- Robert Scoble
Chris, but that outer skin just got thicker lol, I dunno, I just think it has to be a big lesson to both of them, they'll remember it.
- Colin
Lise: I don't know what Leo is seeing right now. I should call him and check in.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about Mike, but Leo was already making fun of the incident on TWIT, realized their was a slight overreaction on his part
- Kim Landwehr
Colin: Yes, they'll remember it. But that outer skin is just their media personalities. You're ignoring the real people behind those names, and how they feel about it.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I don't even believe that Mike was about to question Leo's ethics. He was just upset that they didn't get a Pre. And wanted to make a point about how Palm selects reviewers. I never questioned Leo's integrity. Neither Mike's. I think they'd be really stupid to endanger their careers like that. Which settles it for me.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert: Will you pass him the link to this discussion?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Wow...did not expect to learn this when I logged onto FriendFeed.
- Ben Parr
Vlad: you weren't hearing Mike. Please go listen to the second show. He made it very clear why he was asking those questions. Mike asks me all the time about my ethics. It's his way of digging for stories.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you should. I hope they can work this out. It's definitely not smoothed over. Maybe between Mike and Leo but not all 3.
- Lise
Bwana: But we need to know what every single person on FriendFeed thinks about the relationship between Leo, Mike, and Steve... did you miss the memo?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'll say this again, but Leo's IRC chat was muted, and chatters spilled right onto FriendFeed. If you were reading the IRC chat at the time, it was 100% pro-Leo. Those people normally don't come on FriendFeed, but when they were muted, this was the first place they came to, because this is the 2nd largest chat Leo endorses.
- Colin
Robert: That's his way of digging for stories... fine. However, is that something you would do to a respected friend?
- Jason Hansen
Mmmyeah, Steve's issue was loss of control over the show. I get that. I've seen how awkward it was at times. But still. How old are these people again?
- Vlad Bobleanta
Lise: that's true. Steve feels his show was stepped on needlessly.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: All's fair in love and war... And in media.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Jason: in this business? Yes. I ask MYSELF all the time am I on the right side of the ethical line. And when someone is getting a goodie and I'm not, it sure does make me wonder WHY.
- Robert Scoble
steve should host the show and he boot whomever he wants and not invite back guests he doesnt feel fit into gg.
- Tobias Lewsadder
Tobias: I agree. Steve should be in charge of the off switch on his own show.
- Robert Scoble
To run a show, you have to do what Leo does, you have to be able to control cameras and mics, and Steve really needs to get that kind of control, or Leo's operator needs to stay neutral, and out of it.
- Colin
Tobias: Steve should take things offline for making the show, and then broadcast it afterwards, rather than doing it live. That might help reduce the bad attitudes it seems to bring out from its hosts and guests.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I do think Steve had a point, It is his show and Leo really didn't have the right to shut the show down, no matter how mad he was
- Kim Landwehr
Robert: I would like to see the inner of the business for a week or two. It would be an interesting learning experience I'm sure.
- Jason Hansen
Tobias: I think it was unprofessional for Leo to pull the off switch on someone else's show while on air. It makes me wonder how Leo would treat me if I were to host a show on his network.
- Robert Scoble
out of interest. was leo, steve or arrington making money from GG? will this have business implications
- Anthony Feint
Robert: It would depend if you pissed him off ;)
- Nicholas James
Anthony: not yet, but whenever audiences get built around media properties there's always money involved eventually.
- Robert Scoble
No Anthony, this was a Saturday, and people's free time.
- Colin
Chris: Steve lives and breathes "live".
- Nick in Manila
Nicholas: if I pissed someone off they should bite their lip and fire me after the show. That's professionalism. It also gives people a chance to explain themselves. When you're on air it's very difficult to discuss business in a professional way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How much time has Leo spent on the air over the past 10 years or so? How many incidents like this have their been? Seems like you might literally be blowing it out of proportion, re "It makes me wonder how Leo would treat me"
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: I saw the show yesterday. Yeah, I know, my point was more that he was using the ethical question to start off his 'story' about Palm sending review units. Which is exactly what he said in part 2 of the show, when you were on too. And it's exactly what you kinda said. So let's agree to agree, even if my phrasing isn't phenomenal right now :)
- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert: I gotta agree with Ken's last statement.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I like Mike, I really do, and I respect him, but he has to take some responsibility. Its not what he says, its how he says it, that rubs people the wrong way
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: that's not the point. Leo has always been on someone else's network. Now he's trying to build a network of his own. That requires a different set of sensibilities.
- Robert Scoble
The interesting thing for me was that about a month ago, on another TWiT show, Leo expressed some negative sentiment about Arrington and the way he sort of "stir things up" to try to get responses out of people. It was on net@nite I believe. Anyway, that is the first thing I thought of when this happened yesterday.
- Mike Bracco
so I guess we are that petty? such a waste of our attention. Lets get back to reading / listening / sharing. Hopefully Mike will consider friendfeed again down the road and shake off all the negative publicity/bad feelings about inciting Leo.
- Mark Essel
but was leo giving free bandwidth to GG?
- Anthony Feint
Chris: I was one of Leo's "Laporteans" and have been a friend of Leo's before I even had a blog. I love the guy.
- Robert Scoble
Anthony: yes, but again, if you are going to fire someone in media, or shut down someone else's show, you should do that off air.
- Robert Scoble
Anthony: but maybe that's just me.
- Robert Scoble
I thought the comments towards Mike yesterday were overwhelmingly positive after they both apologized. I gained a new respect for Mike yesterday.
- Jesse Stay
Robert "that's not the point. Leo has always been on someone else's network. Now he's trying to build a network of his own. That requires a different set of sensibilities" That's why i made it a point to say Leo would be better off Not "Hosting" the GG but being a Out of Studio Guest
- Erle Stride
Mike B, exactly, he was ready to be attacked by Mike. He said it himself. So he went overboard.
- Lise
Scoble: Can't substantiate at the moment, so skip it as unsubstantiated, but I remember 2-3 times seeing what he said about something, and what others said, and thinking, he was just talking things down to be contrarian. It's like ValleyWag -- are you familiar with them? Thing is I rarely have read his stuff lately. I prefer constructive criticism over snark negativity, and that's the...
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- Shava Nerad
As an outsider viewing the beginning of the show, my impression was that Leo lashed out as if their is some pent up frustration/anger towards Arrington.
- Kevin Whalen
Anthony: I think Leo agrees there, too. He said he was wrong to shut down the show.
- Robert Scoble
I think Leo shouldn't have stopped the whole show, after all it is Steve's show. However I can understand why he did. It seems to me he was never quite happy with GG on Twit from the beginning. Which is what he kinda admitted in part2. If the show were to stay on Twit, I think they should just get someone in the cottage to switch between cameras and stuff, and Leo should be a guest. In Steve's show.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Shava: I've been on Valleywag more than 70 times.
- Robert Scoble
I always had the impression, especially after yesterday's second part, that Leo had never heard the show before letting it on his network. "Oh right you chat with Scoble, Calacanis, Arrington, Doc Searls et al, sounds good I'll host it"; unaware of the drama that occurs.
- Jack
Vlad: I agree, and I think so does Leo and Steve.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Leo's talked about what he dislikes in Mike's persona before, but this is the first time things really came to a head.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
squarespace sounds interesting (still listening) - does put #squarespace in your tweet still enter you in the contest?
- jeneane sessum
Robert: yeah I agree to...im just wondering where the shows going to go. ITs going to lose a big audience. I only watched because it was on twit and techcrunch
- Anthony Feint
Probably not a good idea to be a guest and be in control of a show at the same time.
- Kim Landwehr
Leo DOES have the right to pull the show it's HIS network That's why Steve got so Pissy Lastnight
- Erle Stride
Really, he apologized, so shouldn't this be over if it's over between the two antagonists? But then this is the Internet. And yes, I figured you know Valleywag, but this is a general audience as well. A lot of folks don't overlap
- Shava Nerad
Robert, don't you think this is a bit of a soap opera?
- Jon Lebkowsky
Kevin: That exactly the way it appeared to this outsider.
- Nick in Manila
Vlad, I think we all agree that Leo shouldn't have shut the show down. But I think removing Leo from his own network in his own studio is silly. Do you really think he's going to do this again?
- Lise
Jon: of course!
- Robert Scoble
Mike sounded so reasonable last night. He told Leo and Steve not to make any rash decisions about the show, I'm surprised he didn't apply the same wisdom to himself and yanked the TC account so fast
- Stephen Pickering
Jon: of course this is all a soap opera. So is real life.
- Robert Scoble
Shava: The thing is, even if this weren't the internet, all our talking heads would still be talking about this. It's like with any kind of media personality, new old doesn't matter.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
If Arrington had gotten a free Pre to preview this never would havve happened
- Chris Patterson
Sigh. Okay. "Desperate Technorati."
- Jon Lebkowsky
jeneane: No, Calacanis just asked that the listeners of TWiT do that to support the sponsors of the show.
- Mike Bracco
Jeneane The contest starts on Monday. Details at squarespace.com/iphone
- Vlad Bobleanta
Stephen: lots of us can see the sins in other people but can't see our own sins quite so clearly. Myself included. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Chris, I see.
- Kevin Whalen
I'm not sure I agree that life has to be a soap opeat, but I have to agree that it often is.
- Jon Lebkowsky
Arrington was treated terribly - no doubt. is this new for him? no. has he treated others terribly? yes. will deleting the account keep people from treating him badly? no. will it stop him from treating others poorly? i doubt it. we all act like jerks sometimes. some of us have a bigger audience when it happens. some of us get a lot more crap when we do it. the folks who get extra crap...
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- MikeAmundsen
Your right, I've got to learn to practice that on myself
- Stephen Pickering
These guys could use some zazen.
- Jon Lebkowsky
lol, Jon!
- Shava Nerad
I guess I missed the terrible part on FriendFeed - TechCrunch or Digg or the TWiT chatroom, maybe, but it seemed to me FriendFeed was rooting for Mike by the end of that show.
- Jesse Stay
Lise: Lol. Dunno, we'll see.
- Vlad Bobleanta
i think this can be debated for days... perhaps finding a resolution should the direction here.
- Tobias Lewsadder
Sad. The Techcrunch items were some of my favorite part of Friendfeed. And I seem to remember an issue Mike wrote about some weeks back that impressed me with non-tech issues he feels strongly about. I hope he comes back with the Techcrunch account because whatever else, a few of us think he's part of here.
- George Hall (Australia)
Jesse: I think the stuff that got TechCrunch to delete friendfeed came last night.
- Robert Scoble
Less chatter, more photon splatter? What's the big deal, everbody's human and loses their cool at times. Some social media/stars/hosts are working very very long days and it's way to easy to fly off the handle when someone questions your rep.
- Mark Essel
Which is sad because that was the only way I read TechCrunch before. Hopefully MG continues to share his posts.
- Jesse Stay
MikeAmundsen: It only takes one dog to bite out your throat. Mike's lucky in this regard that it's a bunch of people screaming at him once or twice and then disappearing into the void, so much as this issue is concerned. When you have one person in a campaign against you for a long time, though, the damage is far worse than what this mob is doing to Mike.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Tobias: yeah, not sure there is a resolution. I hope everyone who listens to me and interacts on my behalf remembers that there's people involved here.
- Robert Scoble
Mike Admundsen - you nailed it
- Liza
I expect the friendfeed, if it was anything like this, was too fast and nasty to moderate, and when things die down he'll be back. I can see me doing that if things got fast and nasty
- Shava Nerad
If anyone wants a divergence from this serious talk, check out this CALACANIS AUDIBLE LOVE DANCE that I just recorded from today's TWiT - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Mike Bracco
Jesse: http://www.friendfeed.com/techcru... - someone remade it ;)
- Nicholas James
Mike kept saying that a bunch of FriendFeeders wanted to see him dead. I never saw those kind of comments. Were those kind of awful things said?
- Stephen Pickering
I suspect they'll get over it. I've certainly had some emotional moments that led me to delete accounts and worse.
- Jon Lebkowsky
Anyway, in a week we'll be back to talking about Apple's new iPhone. Bwana is right. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana, tis true lol, I'm excited to see what Santa will bring.
- Colin
And got ove rit.
- Jon Lebkowsky
Robert By the sounds of it
- Erle Stride
One thing to remember, on the internet we are all still people. Attack egos, attack actions but leave the people alone
- Chris Patterson
Bwana: If only Palm had given more people Pre's the other day, we wouldn't be talking about this. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm with Leo - I don't think there will be a new iPhone
- Jesse Stay
Yes, I will get the new Iphone!!!!!!! Yeah, I've been living with a Razor for two years, but I'm not excited about AT&T
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: yeah, but they weren't people who I recognized. Anyway, time to move on. If I ever participate in a Mob again, just kick me in the knees, OK?
- Robert Scoble
Chris Patterson: AMEN.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
h Leo and Steve feel the GG and TWiT don't belong together I just wonder who will be the first to pull the trigger
- Erle Stride
well, you folks solve the problems of the world, I have to go feed folks dinner...:) Seeya later Jon! Nice to run across you.
- Shava Nerad
OK, I will! heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Tking acct down does nothing to address issue - scoble, we'll kick you in knees if you mob - settles it!
- Liza
Shava: I gotta go play with Milan who just woke up. Seeya!
- Robert Scoble
Yay - saved by Milan, Scoble!
- Liza
Tad: :)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
And yet, a Friendfeed without Arrington is lessened. He was as much a part of Friendfeed as Scoble. Heck, it just doesn't seem like Friendfeed UNLESS you've got both Arrington and Scoble talking.
- George Hall (Australia)
Deleting the FF account was an emotional reaction. I mean, think about it. Will that stop people over here talking about Mike or TC stuff? Of course not. So what's the point then? Just that Mike will never ever load FF again and therefore won't see some bad stuff being said about him? Sounds strange to me. I hope he changes his mind, because being less engaged with the audience is never good in my book. Trolls can be blocked. Bad stuff can be ignored. But to stifle what can be good conversations...why?
- Vlad Bobleanta
robert could it be as simple as... arrington was a jerk, laporte overreacted in attempts to defend his integrity. both were at fault in one way or another. it is the job of the host of the show to end this all. steve needs to step up and ask everyone to drop it.
- Tobias Lewsadder
Now you can't post comments to his last article on techcrunch, how cool is that?
- GeorgeAris
Vlad: when people get beat up they don't always make smart decisions.
- Robert Scoble
Hopefully Mike Arrington will come back to FF after a short time off, He will be missed
- Kim Landwehr
Did someone make the techcrunch account again to save it for him? heh
- Lise
Perhaps it's time we made an effort to make Mike feel welcome back here again.
- George Hall (Australia)
Would there be agreement that this was out of character for Leo and is there anyone following this that hasn't lost it in a professional situation? I sure he meant what he said, although I'm also sure he regrets it happened and feels like an ass.
- Jim Gablick
Tobias: Actually, if Steve can get the two of them in one room and shake hands and tell everyone together to lay off on the attacks, perhaps they might. It's a longshot but it could go a far way to making things better between them all, too.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Talking? I don't see Arrington as a talker...I see (saw) him as a sabre rattler and drama king. Unless there's controversy, he's not quiet. Finally, someone told him to shut the hell up for the tool behavior that's his M.O. Scob, if he couldn't stand the heat....
- C. Jason Mancebo
Karim: LOL>
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Robert: Agreed. I understand.
- Vlad Bobleanta
That drama button was hilarious Karim
- Benjamin Taylor
Jason: I don't think Mike minded Leo going off on him so much. It's the aftermath of having the mobs kick him in the nuts that got to him, me thinks.
- Robert Scoble
C. Jason: He's that too, but it is a talker. He does engage. And when he's not putting up that jerkface public persona, I'm pretty sure he's a nice, cool guy you can have drinks with.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
i cant believe that we are actually discussing this. shouldnt we feel disgusted that someone felt attacked enough to cancel his account. jerk or not he is human
- Tobias Lewsadder
agreed Scoble
- Kim Landwehr
never been a fan of mob mentality myself...
- George Hall (Australia)
Scob, I think it's cumulative. He's gotten away with ALOT of stirring the pot for a while and people just have had it. Be a contributor, or go away....but I certainly don't agree with the "death and cancer wishes"...that's completely unnecessary.
- C. Jason Mancebo
Chris: Mike is always interesting. I was at a tech industry brunch this morning with him and he's always got an interesting conversation going on.
- Robert Scoble
How does the saying go... "Live by the swarm, die by the swarm"?
- Ken Sheppardson
Jason: then we're on the same side. Arrington gets to me once in a while too. He knows how to push my buttons as well and get me all wound up. But that also is how he gets stories before anyone else does.
- Robert Scoble
Heck, Arrington's style created BUZZZ. So why treat him badly?
- George Hall (Australia)
It is almost like working for Microsoft. You get attacked daily.
- Chris Patterson
C. Jason: I'm a big jerk myself, on the outside, but that doesn't mean I'm not a sensitive and caring person on the inside. He's more than just his persona, he's an actual person too. Sometimes someone does have to come out and say "stop being such a dick" to me, and no doubt to him. But attacking en mass the way this mob [redacted] is doing, that's just not right.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris Patterson: LOL. Good one.
- Vlad Bobleanta
George: Arrington has done something remarkable. We always talk about him. He doesn't always like what we're saying, but I told him this morning that he has created a media company that is doing interesting things and that he should worry about the day when we're not all mobbing on him for some reason or another.
- Robert Scoble
I don't understand Arrington's defense. He's really nice, soft and fluffy on the inside even though he attacks you in public and calls out your integrity? He may have his own issues to deal with, but he's in the public eye and he should expect the wrath of the Internet to reign down when he pulls an asshat move like this one. How many times does he get to slip out of the antics he...
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- Eric @ CS Techcast
Maybe he read the Terms and Conditions here at FriendFeed and freaked out?
- Kenneth Stein
George: that said, it's not always fun and games being the center of all that kind of attention.
- Robert Scoble
+1 on Arrington getting stories before anyone else...when Friendfeed was down a few weeks ago, he was the only one who could provide info on why. Fastest news of that particular day.
- George Hall (Australia)
Robert: Don't I know it.
- George Hall (Australia)
Eric, does his actions, though, really warrant people to wish death upon him? (which is, apparently what he's upset about)
- Lise
Chris Charabaruk: Let's just please not call them Leo fans anymore. A mob is a mob. I'm a Leo fan and was not part of any mob, ever. And I don't want that association to stick in my head.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Chris, I'm sure he is, but too often, people need to hide behind their persona for whatever reason. His is the sabre rattler/pot stirrer...he went WAY too far insulting a pretty good guy's ethics. Not good, but certainly agree with the over zealous backlash..not good as well. I guess "you reap what you sew" is certainly valid
- C. Jason Mancebo
Vlad: I'm also a Leo fan and I totally see your point. I'll edit that bit out...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Vlad, yes. I take offense to that whole Leo fans thing. I'm a huge Leo fan. I don't act that way.
- Lise
RobertS: this seems so reminiscent of the January fracas in Europe. Why is it that Arrington engenders such anger in people (and i'm not talking about Leo here)? this isn't some cosmic joke on good ol' boy MIke Arrington. there's a lot of history here. there's a lot of anger that Arrington has exhibited over a long period of time. don't get me wrong, i feel badly for the man. but not...
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- MikeAmundsen
let him go.
- Stalyn☂
Eric: integrity is something we should always ask of each other. I don't mind if you ask me those kinds of questions. I got a review unit of the Palm Pre too. You SHOULD be asking whether that biases my review in some way. Mike was mostly digging for a story yesterday, not attacking Leo. That's something you gotta know Arrington about. He was digging and got a reaction he wasn't expecting.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I heard that yesterday, and Leo just popped off. Mike really didn't deserve this one, which you can hear. What upsets me now is that I can see he does personalize a lot of this stuff, which was really done by Leo's audience, and Leo's chat room has an audience I wouldn't wish on my worse enemy. I loved it when we started the FF chat so I wouldn't have to listen to Leo's immature...
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- Francine Hardaway
it seems like people who have been angered by mike at one time or another are using this as an opportunity to lay into him.
- Tobias Lewsadder
C Jason: Exactly , it is one thing to attack a persons opinion, but attacking someone's ethics is really harsh
- Chris Patterson
Francine: well said.
- Robert Scoble
We had a good discussion yesterday at a tweetup in the city about the whole thing. I think MIke ABSOLUTELY deserved this one. It's been a long time coming. The whole backlash, not deserved, but not surprised.
- C. Jason Mancebo
WHAT!!!?
- Jason Pollock
C. Jason: if Mike was hiding behind his persona instead of showing the real self, he'd be blasting back at his detractors, not removing their comments and killing the old TC account here.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
NO ONE deserves to have personal attacks that deal with their life or family.
- Chris Patterson
I don't think these are even people who were angered by Mike, it was just mob rule. And there's no such thing as an online conversation that's "a long time coming" and bad enough to make someone want to get away from being online. That shouldn't be the way we act.
- Francine Hardaway
So Arrington and the other guy worked it out between themselves...so why should a mob stretch things any further?
- George Hall (Australia)
Lise, you are absolutely right, that isn't right; no threats are necessary. I didn't see that here however. Not from the regular FF crowd that have regular activity, so I really didn't see that personally.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Chris: Mike wasn't attacking someone else's ethics. Listen carefully to both shows yesterday. He was asking questions. Leo took it too personally, me thinks (he thinks so too, in hind sight). If your ethics are really above reproach you can answer calmly and professionally.
- Robert Scoble
Chris, I think he was hiding behind it in public and now is effected beyond the persona.
- C. Jason Mancebo
Francine: very well said.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Francine: agreed #2. Well said.
- Robert Scoble
Geroge Hall correct.
- Francine Hardaway
George: Mob mentality. 100 sheep on their own are perfectly fine, but if they freak out and charge in the same direction...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Francine: mobs can get out of control here in the real time web. Not sure how we can fix that.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, I gotta respectfully disagree with you. He was absolutely trying to make something out of nothing. Totally NOT ETHICAL!
- C. Jason Mancebo
Well, you don't want to be in their way.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
These things push my buttons because I see so much potential for good in the online community and I want the bad stuff to go away. I know that's unrealistic
- Francine Hardaway
Eric, I didn't notice those either but I wasn't the one attacked and wasn't looking for those. Despite that, Mike saw it/felt it. That's the point.
- Lise
Never liked mobs, never liked being on receiving end of them, never liked following any.
- George Hall (Australia)
Making a story is not creating a story. Not cool!
- C. Jason Mancebo
Jason: I can understand how you see it that way. DId you watch the second Gilmor Gang last night? Mike explained why he was asking those questions and Leo answered much more calmly.
- Robert Scoble
I vote we try to help Mike feel wanted here again.
- George Hall (Australia)
maybe leo should join us and ask people to lay off
- Tobias Lewsadder
Robert, I haven't heard the second show, but in the first one Leo clearly said that it was a review unit.
- Chris Patterson
I'm going to email mike.
- Francine Hardaway
Jason: personally the free stuff and review units and access DO bias our reporting and that's something that we SHOULD talk about calmly and professionally. Our audiences should hear our answers. I don't think Mike's question was one that shouldn't be asked. Of EVERYONE.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, did you get a hold of Leo about this yet?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Scoble, I think it was prettied up for public consumption by both of them. Sure, Leo could have been better about it. Absolutely. But I just am not with you on that one. Agree to disagree on this.
- C. Jason Mancebo
You should see the second show. You haven't seen that, you can't really get the gist of it. imho.
- Vlad Bobleanta
This is not about Arrington but about much larger issues and tensions that are brewing - amt of comments is undeniable proof of that.
- Liza
Robert Scoble, I understand your point. "If you only knew him..." I'm sure if I had a beer with the guy I'd grow to love him and all, but I haven't and all I have to go on is what I saw, and I can't side with M.A., not after his history with shooting first with his posts and comments. He really needs to put himself in the mind of the public that find a problem with his actions without...
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- Eric @ CS Techcast
Chris: and Mike, in the second show, explained why he was asking that. Techcrunch didn't get a review unit and his theory is that Palm is only giving review units to people who are saying nice things about Palm.
- Robert Scoble
On the early access units, how in the hell is anyone (Scoble, McCracken, Ubergizmo) supposed to review anything early without early access units. It's not a gift, it's a loaner.
- C. Jason Mancebo
Chris: I'm calling Leo now.
- Robert Scoble
I think Leo was right in getting mad
- Johnathan Schultz
Ask Leo to come in here
- Lise
Come on guys. If you haven't watched the second show, you're blowing in the wind.
- Nick in Manila
This talk of super-scary Friendfeed "mobs" is all a little hyperbolic.
- Christopher A Carr
Leo should not have said such inflammatory things.. Even if he was pissed off he could have handled himself in a professional manner on the air
- Jason Pollock
mike totally clarified himself and leo apologized for taking it the wrong way.
- Tobias Lewsadder
A promoter is not a journalist. Much of what I see on TC, and here and elsewhere illustrates that YOU are buzzing things, creating hype which in part drives it forward. The coverage ought to be balanced though, and it's going to likely lead to unfortunate and unnecessary consequences. This might shed a bit of light on it. http://bit.ly/LfVJk
- Kenneth Stein
Jason: I hate the review unit thing. Walt Mossberg got his weeks ago.
- Robert Scoble
I guess nobody takes Sunday evenings with their families these days, eh?
- Ken Sheppardson
Johnathan: Leo's anger was justified, yeah, but how he expressed it was a bit much. But how the way the mob took it as a call to action, that's bad.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I think it should be stressed that Leo can't be held responsible for anything anyone else says. On the irc chat, here wherever.
- Vlad Bobleanta
It is really too bad the conversation went bad. Mike really did have some good questions to ask about how business ethics and free products review or not. He just started the conversation really badly
- Kim Landwehr
leo's language on the air incited the hate comments that techcrunch got
- Jason Pollock
HI Liza, well, I see it yes and no....this specific thing is a good example of "you don't get to be a shit stirrer and get away with it forever".
- C. Jason Mancebo
Christopher: A mob is a mob, online or off.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Lise, getting threats like that is something no one should go through, I agree. People should act with civility.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Interesting post of Mike Arrington(The New York Times Sunday edition): The Morality And Effectiveness Of Process Journalism :http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Johni Fisher
On the AIR? Lol there's no FCC regulation yet....I'll refrain from scribing the 7 deadlies here
- Kenneth Stein
Looked to me like he was being a jerk and got called on it "what are you going to do about it?" is not the kind of retort that should pass between two adults. That being said, it also looks like Leo has decided to move on so should the rest of us.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Vlad: That's true, but he can still encourage them to act more responsibly.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
J Abdul, I think the "what are you going to do about it" was still when Mike thought it was all kind of a joke
- Lise
Scoble, it's not like they but a hundy in the package and say "review away" :-)
- C. Jason Mancebo
Offline mobs hurt more when they hit you with an actual physical object, as opposed to pissy comments variety of assault from dangerous Friendfeed "mobs."
- Christopher A Carr
Ken S, I just fired up the grill. Great day on the coast in HMB today. BBQ and wine happens soon :-)
- C. Jason Mancebo
we all benefit from the work that mike does. tech crunch has been a daily read for me for years... although you may disagree with some of his methods, is wishing him death really appropriate
- Tobias Lewsadder
C. Jason: They don't have to. Just having the thing before everyone else creates an incentive for acting non-ethically. After all, they give you a review unit (even one you need to return) because you gave them a good review might encourage you to keep giving good reviews for the opportunity to play with the latest gadgets first.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris: Yes, and I think he should. Let's just keep in mind, those are just random people who he probably never met. And in the case of the irc chat, are mostly anonymous. Which is part of the problem imo.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Tobias, i think we all agree that the backlash has gone to far...yes,
- C. Jason Mancebo
Actually, research idicates that being teased and taunted oftentimes is more painful than being hit.
- Kenneth Stein
Who were these random people anyway? Friendfeed regulars, or blow-ins?
- George Hall (Australia)
I agree, and i think this onslaught has gone on far enough
- Johnathan Schultz
George, I'm sure some were FF regulars. I don't think because you have a FF account it makes you of right mind. heh Unfortunately.
- Lise
Just a computer engineer, patent attorney, developing some tech
- Kenneth Stein
@George Hall: Gillmor Gang regulars.
- 321
"Onslaught?" Please.
- Christopher A Carr
People need to get a tiny bit of perspective instead of social media tunnel vision
- Nathan Cooprider
One thing I would really like to see come from this is that folks like Arrington with the "Not quite so stringent, shoot first retract later" ethics understand that people give a shit about that and it's not cool.
- C. Jason Mancebo
George Hall: mostly non-regulars, or that was my impression at least. But not exclusively. Arrington is easy to hate, that's the truth. And some people just need to hate something. Or someone. That is all.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Its just feels like this has gone a little to far
- Johnathan Schultz
Tobias, but I'm not sure that we wouldn't benefit MORE from TC if it was a bit less "NY POST" ish
- C. Jason Mancebo
The whole evening Gilmore Gang put everything into context. It was really interesting, lots of questions and talking points raised regarding technology reporting, journalistic integrity and consumed content. Even a discussion about the GG show itself. It's unfortunate that a few people ran with the 1 minute clip and formed an opinion without looking at the whole day in context.
- Benjamin Taylor
I want to make a quick statement, because this is how it seems to be framed here for some. Just because we are choosing to criticize him doesn't mean we are part of a mob or are threatening him. The debate should not be framed as Arrington versus bloodsucking Friendfeed mob. There is no defense for threats, online or off. No one is debating that that I have seen.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
@Johnathan Schultz: It has, but what are us bored geeks with too much time on their hands to do?
- 321
jason: agreed
- Tobias Lewsadder
Scoble, pretty great day on the coast for an Arrington discussion, no :-)
- C. Jason Mancebo
I do have to say that this whole incident is the reason I've came over to FF permanently.
- kenneth glenn
Benjamin: agreed. Eric: death threats is a mob in my book. Noone is referring to criticism, but rather to threats and mindless stuff.
- Vlad Bobleanta
If someone has actually threatened his safety, that's one thing, but I must say I found it almost funny that he was so upset over terrifying Friendfeed "mobs."
- Christopher A Carr
anyone know arrington for an extended period of time? has he always been like this?
- Tobias Lewsadder
Vlad, right, death threats are wrong, but that doesn't make me or anyone here criticizing this incident as part of the mob.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
I think that many people just took the opportunity to join in on the "I hate you Arrington" bandwagon when that started yesterday. Today they're all probably busy in Google Reader (even though RSS is apparently dead) reading the latest TechCrunch posts.
- 321
I seem to remember a techcrunch article Mike did weeks back about a different issue...one where he took a principled stand. I wonder if non-regular mob making threats relates more to that than the Gilmour gang thing.
- George Hall (Australia)
We're reaching again. Terrifying mobs? Where did that come from? He was getting abused, wasn't seeing any real poing to sharing stuff here, so he deleted the account. It makes his life easier. We're sorta going off the deep end... once again.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Christopher No one wants to read death threats about themselves. Real or otherwise.
- Glenn Trtanj
bwana: elaborate please
- Tobias Lewsadder
Bwana, absolutely agree...lots of folks obviously tire of it.
- C. Jason Mancebo
i know he has been like this for a while but im askking if this was the type of guy he was before getting into this business or has the business changed him
- Tobias Lewsadder
Ken: This is yet another overreaction, yes. This weekend is really something. However some people do take bad things very personally, and maybe Mike is one of them. Dunno, I haven't met him.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Personally, I think TechCrunch on FriendFeed is better as a room anyway. It enforces the separation between a person and their business. That said, I do hope that Mike comes back, and that everyone behaves civilly when he's around.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Excuse me, but if Arrington didn't say anything that stirred the pot, it'd be boring in here
- George Hall (Australia)
George: Damn right.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
And I would ask, on a different note, if someone called out you're ethics in the work that puts food on your table in front of everyone at your place of work, plus or minus 50,000 people, how would you react? With anger I bet.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
We need something like http://instantrimshot.com that automatically generates FF drama.
- Ken Sheppardson
@George Hall (Australia): Indeed, gives us something to talk about until tomorrow. People just seem to be over analysing all of this.
- 321
Chris, I don't agree with your logic on early access = incentive for ethical problems. Lot's of folks get early stuff. The only issue that I see is lots of FALSE POSITIVE reviews by lot's of up and comers...but not the Leo Laportes of the world.
- C. Jason Mancebo
And for those that want real drama, please refer to the french fry vs onion rings vs tater tots debate: http://ff.im/3H1oA
- Eric @ CS Techcast
If anyone thought Friendfeed was JUST Robert Scoble, they missed half the point. It was equal amounts Scoble AND Arrington. The thrust and parry of the differing viewpoints sometimes.
- George Hall (Australia)
Eric: no. And Leo wouldn't have done it angrily if it wasn't for the feeling that he was being Mike's target. When you get questioned, you keep your cool and explain. Leo said exactly this tonight.
- Vlad Bobleanta
C. Jason: A false positive review IS an ethical violation, BY VIRTUE OF BEING FALSE.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
George, Arrington was really never on Friendfeed. He was not active here.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
His account was.
- George Hall (Australia)
posted some thoughts on this in the longer post here http://friendfeed.com/parisle...
- MG Siegler
and he was a part of Robert'
- George Hall (Australia)
s best posts.
- George Hall (Australia)
Vlad, that is the logical thing to do, but that would not be most people's gut reaction.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
MG: Well played.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
You can't be putting feelings before facts, I like facts.
- Colin
Arrington wasn't sitting around on FF all day, but he was here. There were several comments from him over the past few days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Colin: Sure you can put feelings before facts. If you couldn't, politicians would be out of work. ;)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Scoble, have you seen MA's comments on TC? He's admitting to saying "We were promised one but it wasn’t delivered" but the comments are targeted at LL, not at Palm. That's completely shit stirring. Just not necessary.
- C. Jason Mancebo
@Lise not really something you say in jest... Those are or (at least were) what the old folks used to call "fighting words" and the only real reason to say them to someone is a) the two people in question are physically separated or b) the one person doesn't think the other is actually going to do any thing.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Bwana, I agree, we talk about this and I guess it's proof stirring the pot gets you your celebrity. Next stop, reality show.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
I agree with @Bwana but this happens everytime Mike thinks he's going to read something he doesn't like..just as right before he deleted TC's friendfeed account. We may not know him as a person but his actions have always preceeded him.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Just talked with Leo. He hadn't realized this was all still cooking, but admits that people have said some really horrid things.
- Robert Scoble
J Abdul, I completely disagree. Of course you can say that in jest. You can even, as Mike assumed, throw F bombs at someone... in jest.
- Lise
Now that he does know, I hope that he'll come out and say something about it, see if he can put the whole matter to rest finally.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
When I called Leo he answered "are you calling me on your Pre?" Ahhh, the fun we have behind the scenes. ;-) (I wasn't, my Pre is charging).
- Robert Scoble
i think leo is focused on wwdc
- Tobias Lewsadder
Robert, you still haven't done anything with that Pre, my god! Aren't you curious to play with it? heh
- Lise
On twit earlier he was laughing and thought it had all blown over
- Jack
Lise: I took some pictures on it today and will do a writeup later.
- Robert Scoble
Jack: yeah. I told him these were aftershocks like what happens after a big earthquake.
- Robert Scoble
i saw that it syncs with itunes... does it sync calendar and address book thru itunes or thru isync?
- Tobias Lewsadder
Anyway, I gotta go, otherwise Maryam is gonna go off on me in public and that won't be fun either. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert - just don't walk off of her show!
- jeneane sessum
Cya Robert!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Robert, see ya. Can't wait to hear about the Pre!
- Lise
Calacanis made a joke on Twit today when Leo began talking about the Pre, my senses stepped up and became more sensitive for a second there.
- Colin
later scoble
- Tobias Lewsadder
I was hoping he would set the record straight. It's hard to counter a 90 second youtube clip and the hour follow up with Arrington yesterday isn't widely availible.
- Jack
I suspect readers/viewers would have hated the vast majority of reporters from Benjamin Franklin on if they saw the man behind the news then, the way we often can now. Journalism isn't a gentile profession. If you don't want arrogance, then go get your news from a convent. Otherwise, expect and accept that these people are who they are and, for the most part, you get higher quality, more hard hitting news because of it. So appreciate that Arrington is an arrogant ass and leave him alone.
- Dawn
Robert here's the thing .. we're all huge fans of Leo and how can we not have something to say about this for good or for ill?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Robert's original point was that Arrington copped a tremendous amount of mob attack including threats to Arrington. Sounds interesting for what was essentially a small and resolved issue between him and Leo. I have to wonder if the mob were actually Facebook hategroups pretending to be friendfeeders, since Mike did write an article on Techcrunch about the fact Facebook allows hate groups a say.
- George Hall (Australia)
Gee,that quietened everyone. Is the silence the sound of people thinking?
- George Hall (Australia)
So... how long until we get a Laporte/Christian Bale mashup?
- Jack
I was just thinking about the earthquake analogy...is it a force of nature, if it were not for this thread, would we be talking about this?
- Benjamin Taylor
I think most folks walked away after they realized that Robert actually did go AFK to spend time with his family.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Jack: LOL.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
If your a public figure such as an editor of a magazine, you need thicker skin this. This seems to be a reoccuring thing. People say bad things about him and he goes away. If he didn't want the negative comments or feedback maybe he should stop being such an asshole. He attracts this even when not saying crap about people. He gets what he deserves. Leo gets crap as well and i have not see him leave. He just moves on and tries to prove himself in his work. With respect on top of it all.
- CW™
In real terms, it's Arrington's job to create buzz and pot-stir. So is that a reason for him to get such a mob reaction and threats? No.
- George Hall (Australia)
And if there's one thing that won my respect for him it was that stand he took weeks ago on that Facebook issue.
- George Hall (Australia)
While Arrington might have expected a backlash from Facebook users, here was where he least expected it.
- George Hall (Australia)
Speaking of mob in a gentler way...does everyone HAVE to go quiet when Robert leaves the conversation?
- George Hall (Australia)
angrykeyboarder: why was FF never meant to be used like Robert uses it? He gets some interesting conversation going.
- George Hall (Australia)
Most people are probably here looking for Scoble's attention, and want him to respond to them personally.
- Jack
Robert also feels strongly about what happened to Mike, as for whatever else, they're friends. And he's allowed to defend his friend.
- George Hall (Australia)
angrykeyboarder: Discussion is EXACTLY how FriendFeed is supposed to be used. I don't see a blog post here. I see Robert starting a conversation, and contributing his two cents here and there.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
George, haha I went quiet when Robert left. I just assumed the whole thing would go quiet. Plus, you know Robert can keep a conversation going.
- Lise
+1 Chris.
- George Hall (Australia)
I wonder if Robert hopes we'll keep a thread going without him once in a while.
- George Hall (Australia)
George: LOL, probably.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
George: yes. :-)
- Robert Scoble
LOL
- Lise
If anyone hasn't heard part 2 of the Gillmor Gang it's here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Angrykeyboarder: this IS my blog on the topic. :-)
- Robert Scoble
+1 Robert.
- George Hall (Australia)
People who know Mike: Do you think he'll cool down and come back to FriendFeed?
- Bruce Lewis
What a wknd ..sooo strong feelings
- Johni Fisher
I hope Mike DOES come back. I miss his feeds already.
- George Hall (Australia)
I stopped reading TechCrunch some time last year, but started following it on FriendFeed after Mike's month in Hawaii. My impression is that depth/quality has gone up. Not that I did a scientific study or anything.
- Bruce Lewis
Woah, I thought I was going to have to ask the question, but it seems the impression I got is coming out in the end. I felt certain that Leo had learned from the past to recognize the Arrington pattern, and that he saw some familiar threads and immediately kicked the loom out of the weaver's hands. In my reading of past things that don't even involve Leo, Arrington's been a subject of...
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- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
Intellectual or professional disagreement doesn't have to mean personal disagreement. While I'd disagree on some of Mike's points, I have nothing against the man personally. And there's still a fair amount of stuff he's written I DO agree with. The Facebook hate group article for one. That shows Mike has principles.
- George Hall (Australia)
Thanks for that audio link, Jack... and Robert, I haven't blogged much lately either, but I did in this case... without hearing part2 first!
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
People disappoint. I am no fan of Mike Arrington's, but I wish him no ill either. To have even one person wish him cancer or otherwise is just awful. With that said, I no longer buy the "he's a sensitive guy" routine. He's either a tough guy or he's a victim, and the victim seems to emerge when he's wrong. He has the power. He has the attention. He wields it. By his own admission, his...
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- Karoli
I wish him a little bit of ill will. Just minor ill will. Like maybe the apples he selects to be slightly less sweet than he was hoping for, or his timing chain to hop one tooth and make his car ride just a bit rough, or his shoe lace to break when he's tying them.
- Matthew DeVries
lol @Matthew
- Louis Simoneau
Fortunately, wishing cancer on someone is not going to make it happen. I could stand right next to Arrington, shut my eyes really tight and mentally chant "get cancer" for hours, and the only result would be indesputable proof of my utter stupidity. I'd have to laugh at the goofball who expressed such a sentiment. I would expend actual thought processes on the ones who wished for bodily harm, because those folks might bump into Arrington at a floor show or before or after a session at a conference.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
found this link at the same time I was listening to this: http://bit.ly/2nhNLw via @arrington and Leo afterword. Didn't see the link, apologies if it's already been posted.
- motownmutt
I'm not sure why people hate Mike so personally, it's ok to disagree with him but Mike and TechCrunch seams to have a lot of hate aimed at them for no apparent reason.
- DarknessFalls
motownmutt: thats a direct link to the second part of the show. It's from the "bootleg" feed (read:only feed) which includes the first part of the show, as well as last weeks show, and older shows: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Actually, it's already resolved between Leo and Mike anyway. And that's really where it should have stayed anyway. Resolved between those concerned. Doesn't need mob commentary afterwards, doesn't need threats to Mike, doesn't need the bullsh**.
- George Hall (Australia)
I've been hiding all of these entries about Mike and Leo. I decided to read yours Robert because I know you. Here are some of my thoughts. First, I don't know either Mike or Leo and have never been influenced by either one of them. Second, I love listening to Leo's shows but cannot stand TechCrunch and the attitudes on that site. Third, Mike was the first (and only) person I...
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- LPH™ and his dog P™
@DarknessFalls, I think it was said that some people hold Arrington responsible for the failures of their ventures. He gives his opinion, & people listen (I think). If someone's project didn't make sense to Arrrington, and he said as much, it could hurt. Could the people in this flap be a different group? I hope so. @LPH: Interesting take you have there. You're saying the very post that I thought allowed Arrington and Leo to patch things up actually caused his problem with those who weren't involved?
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
LPH: Actually, Mike contributed in other ways. With the things he'd say to Robert, he'd get some real discussion moving anyway. And I liked his feed. Some of the best things I "liked" were Arrington's feed items. Mike didn't contribute? You mustn't have been paying attention. I'm sure Robert can tell you how Mike contributed in quieter, less noticeable ways to the discussions and other things.
- George Hall (Australia)
I don't think channeling through Scoble is actually contributing...maybe that's just me.
- Bwana ☠
BoringMage: Some people holding it against Arrington for pointing out major flaws in their products meant their products were flawed. People like Arrington voicing concerns can help them improve or come out with better. Sometimes a harsh critic can be your best friend. If what he says helps you come out with better. In which case, I think Mike was still in the right to voice concerns.
- George Hall (Australia)
Palm, at the moment, really needs to have the Pre being a hit. But there's some design flaws in the hardware they're going to need to correct fast. That's a valid point. Otherwise I can see them being sued for having edges on the phone so sharp people can injure themselves.
- George Hall (Australia)
I would like to know, in 100% honesty, how many people heard part 2 before commenting, including the apology? I admit - I did not hear it until a few minutes ago. Anyone want to chime in?
- Liza
Bwana: sometimes, the greatest contributor is the one who sets things up for someone to kick a goal.
- George Hall (Australia)
And, when Scoble's back in this discussion, I'm sure he'll tell people how much Arrington DID contribute in a quiet way.
- George Hall (Australia)
@GeorgeH: I think what you said is exactly what the person who said Arrington was blamed for others' lack of success was trying to convey. Since I haven't done anything worthy of Arrington's notice, I wouldn't be trying to lay any blame at his feet, nor would I criticize him for pointing out problems, at least not if he let the organization know and gave the organizers a chance to address those concerns. @Liza: I listened to both and read the TC post yesterday.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
Not sure what the big deal is on the TC FF account really is. Seemed like nothing but the TC RSS feed being piped into FF for likes and comments.
- Rolf Schewe
Two ways to look at how a tech blog criticizing your product affects you. On a non-personal way, they show you you have a flaw. Whether privately telling you or publicly telling you, they're making you aware of it. If you take it personally, you don't improve your product, you just lash out at the messenger.
- George Hall (Australia)
People from all types of disciplines follow the Tech Industry. Tech Industry Reviewers become brands that often influence our decisions as trending consumers to become early adopters of new products and services. The most popular brands will always receive benefits from the companies such as