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Claudia Koltzenburg
what type of public investment? "The prime benefit of OA should not be seen to be the reduction of publishing costs (which may be possible through more efficient processes) but instead, the wider benefit to the UK (and global) economy resulting from increased communication and translation of knowledge." UK government position paper on open access
Interesting to see this now, in light of Phil Davis' new article (http://www.fasebj.org/content...). So, OA may not be cheaper, and it may not result in more citations. This is starting to get at (in my mind) the *real* advantage, which goes much deeper: it's fundamentally ugly to keep knowledge locked up. It's inelegant in every possible way. - Jason Priem
see also my comment re RO*I* here: http://friendfeed.com/cameron... - Claudia Koltzenburg
@Jason, thank you for the pointer, years ago the OA advocacy mainstream tended to not talk about divides and gaps but put citation advantage first and I agree it is a good idea to bring the effects of "social stratification" into view now (abstract of Davis 2011, your link) - now that more theorizing of the commons is actually en vogue, not least thanks to the widespread uptake of the topic field of Nobelist Ostrom 2009, also critically. - Claudia Koltzenburg
btw, "Understanding Knowledge as a Commons" ed by Hess and Ostrom, MIT 2006, was made available in pbk this month, March 2011 - well, it should've gone open access if you ask me... anyway, the Introduction is OA on 2006 hc site - Claudia Koltzenburg
Heather Piwowar
ok, I'm a big fan of this kblog idea. Use wordpress for scientific publishing. check it out: http://knowledgeblog.org/ #jiscmrd
Bill Hooker
Open and Shut?: PLoS ONE, Open Access, and the Future of Scholarly Publishing - http://poynder.blogspot.com/2011...
This will generate some heat. - Bill Hooker from Bookmarklet
"Although we would be the first to agree that PLoS ONE isn‘t perfect, neither is any journal, as Richard points out – although not until around 30 pages into the article." - Heather Piwowar
I've skimmed most of this now. I think I agree overall with the general thrust at the end but the 30-odd pages of criticism based on a few papers seems a strange way to get there. Or maybe I'm just reading in the conclusion I want to see? - Cameron Neylon
A lot of it feels a bit disconnected and out of date to be honest. I usually find myself nodding along with Richard's pieces even when I disagree and that wasn't the case here... - Cameron Neylon
Sounds like skimming it is the best way to read it :-) the general thrust I think everyone get agree with, some of the arguments seem somewhat odd, indeed. - Björn Brembs
Credit to Richard for elevating the PLoS response to a separate post, rather than leaving it languishing at the end of his long-ass essay. Also, this may be the least of his mighty works, but it does raise very important questions about peer review and pricing. - Bill Hooker
Oh I definitely think he has some important points in there - just unconvinced about the frame he puts them in. And I do believe that costs at PLoS should come down in time - just not convinced that the attack via standards of peer review is the right one. - Cameron Neylon
Yes, that line of reasoning bugs me too. Here are two ways to get actual data on the question: 1, what proportion of papers are published eventually? Iirc, it's around 70% -- in theory, since P.ONE will publish anything worth publishing, it should be around the same as the P.ONE acceptance rate, except to the extent that people are selectively sending their better or worse stuff there.... more... - Bill Hooker
I really wish I had time and access and expertise to do the second study... - Bill Hooker
Interesting idea, pace issues with impact factor but any other metric would also do. The figure of ~70% keeps coming up but I don't know of any good recent studies that bring that figure up to date and check across different disciplines. Second study you propose is an interesting one, if for no other reason than how would you control it properly... - Cameron Neylon
I'm no quite sure what to make of the 42 page doc. I think I made it about halfway through, and then started really skimming. Seems like he wants it both ways. Authors should pay less money to PLoS ONE because is is just peer review lite, and it is a cash cow, but the journal should have higher quality standards and a higher rejection rate. Which way do you want it? Do you want the... more... - Joe - Systems Analyst
Joe: Sounds like you're talking median, not mean. The average (mean) could be 4+ cites per year with only one out of ten papers getting 4 or more cites. Is the median for PLoS.One paper cites available? If so, that's a much more meaningful number. (Won't comment on the Poynder thing 'cuz I haven't read it all yet.) - Walt Crawford
You can't really use IF for any of these calculations... - Björn Brembs
@Bjoern, that's true, I was being lazy. Eigenfactor might be better, or a simple mean/median/variance of citation numbers. @Cameron, not quite sure what you mean by "control" in this instance. - Bill Hooker
This article is also discussed at http://blog.the-scientist.com/2011... - Joe - Systems Analyst
Marking os I remember to look at this later today when back in my office (wish there was a bookmark this for later feature) - Hedgehog
Pawel Szczesny
I wish we all moved to S3.0 - using #FF becomes frustrating.
Do you think it is ready? To me, it still lacks the compactness that a FF page has... and the ease in making comments... - Egon Willighagen
Layout is a matter of CSS (I think we could convince Mark to at least change it if not to make it customizable for users), inline comments are working fine (although there's no cool AJAXy thing that promotes comments in realtime). The real issue is that activity is relatively small, so I keep coming back to FF. I think S3.0 has a potential to grow beyond FF and become an online _working_ space in addition to aggregator. But that's not going to happen if people are elsewhere. - Pawel Szczesny
I thought it only aggregated blog posts. Does / can it aggregate other streams? - Rajarshi Guha
It works out of the box for Twitter, Flickr, Youtube and some other services. Not sure about other stuff, such as generic RSS (generic RSS works for groups, so probably I cannot find some options). If you look at Buddypress roadmap http://buddypress.org/about... (used at S3.0) the future looks even more promising. - Pawel Szczesny
The main thing I complain about S3.0 in terms of usability is speed (or rather lack of it). - Pawel Szczesny
Surprisingly, I 'liked' this idea :) I agree with Pawel in terms of activity. If everyone used S3.0 in the same way they use friendfeed it would be a lot more functional. I agree that ff is better in some respects, but I still think that S3.0 offers you a lot more control and way more options, so it can be an online_working_space. FF is all talk. S3.0 is all action. You can currently... more... - science3point0
Mark, thanks for the update. Given the meme "move away from things you cannot control" spreads across this community (Neil's case comes to mind immediately) I hope it's finally the time to reconsider S3.0 as a platform of choice, given we could contribute to and influence the development in one way or another. - Pawel Szczesny
Speaking from one of the "overlap communities," the disadvantage is that you won't have overlap communities--e.g., the librarians who are somewhat interested in science matters and have scientist acquaintances. Maybe that's a good thing; maybe it's not. I've learned a lot from the overlap. - Walt Crawford
Mark and me just created a Google Group "Wordpress for Scientists". This group is about many things, but why not also discuss how we can improve BuddyPress (the social networking tool built on top of Wordpress) to make it better for scientists? - Martin Fenner
Good having this discussion, especially when people start leaving FF. - joergkurtwegner
I agree with much of the above. I'm ready to move to S3.0 if it came a little closer to FF... - Björn Brembs
The S3.0 page says you are supposed to sync your feeds "only if they contain scientific content". I don't even know what that means. - Bill Hooker
Also, further to Walt's comment -- I'm not interested in a FF replacement that feels to non-scientists as though they are not welcome. I don't care whether it's rational or not, if I hear from, e.g., library colleagues that they wouldn't join a site called "science three point oh", then I'm not going there either. We've seen enough "Facebook for scientists" attempts; I thought we'd mostly agreed that that is a guarantee of failure. - Bill Hooker
what is S3.0? - Iphigenie
Bill, Walt, I hoped librarians, geeks, bloggers and whoever is here would move as well. If you don't like the branding, I think it's not an issue to setup all-smart-people3point0.com ;). I would rather have all people move instead of leave, so let's discuss S3.0 or whatever else might be build before the community disassembles itself (if you haven't noticed, there was issue with comments yesterday and today search didn't work again). - Pawel Szczesny
Not to put pressure on Mark: if you agree on having "unbranded" (non-science-whatever) site, I have some spare space on one of a dozen hosting plans I bought and potentially I could setup a mirror with a bit of help. - Pawel Szczesny
The "branding" issue can be overcome in various ways -- if we could get core members to use the site, communities might follow, and you could always point alternative names (URLs) to the same domain and alter the front page branding. I do think it's a big deal though. I'd also really like the ajaxy thing that promotes active threads, and I'd like a formatting option that took out all... more... - Bill Hooker
And while I'm trying to offer solutions instead of just whine about problems -- Mark, is there any need for funding? E.g. would it be useful to you to be able to hire some developer time? I am skint as always but I could chip in a bit. - Bill Hooker
See this http://science3point0.com:9000/jtzHevF... and add your comments and wishes. Let's try to keep this thread alive for long enough so everybody would drop in, say hello and express their opinion. - Pawel Szczesny
Should we start a gap analysis on Google spreadsheets? What do people want and what are technical solutions? I think hosting is our smallest problem, but more if we as a crowd are willingly to make it happen, together. Whatever we are after, I would hope not anyone is trying to lift this alone, we have to share workload. - joergkurtwegner
I think the Google Doc suggestion sounds very productive, joergkurtwegner! - Björn Brembs
Hi everyone, sorry having a busy weekend. I'll happily set up an unbranded mirror. If people dont want to add their comments because it seems like a facebook for scientists, or that it has the wrong name then thats up to them. I'm sure everybody knows by now that S3.0 isnt set up to make money. Some dev time would be good but I wouldnt want to take donations which may give people the... more... - science3point0
I think this latest comment clarifies things: Indeed, S3.0 *is* intended to be narrow, thus the "knitting pattern" slap. Which is just fine. I wouldn't be on S3.0, and frankly wouldn't feel welcome there. So some of my crossover interaction with scientists would cease, if they stop using FF, which might be a good thing, or not. Pawel, I think your hope is directly contradictory to science3point0's aim. I'll stick with FF. - Walt Crawford
Ok, so we now have the ability to add any rss feeds you wish :) See: http://bt.io/GfNR I'll keep working to give everyone what they want. Pawel, the ff alternative for all general subjects is now very easy to do. Let me know if you want to go ahead with this etc on the etherpad :) Thanks a lot, Mark. - science3point0
I think both Walt and Mark are right, and I don't think any slaps were intended. I agree with Walt that you can't approach the value FriendFeed created if you try to define it ahead of time. I'm pretty sure I didn't know I was in love with library scientists when I joined FF. I would hate if S30 excluded or scared away a subgroup that I do or would interact with. On the other hand, you... more... - Steve Koch
With lots and lots of money, I would want to buy FF and it's entire community. Then I would want to add in features like S30 has, and, more importantly, have direct communication with the developer(s) (Mark) to tirelessly add and fix features as we need them. I differ from Mark in that I'd want to invite the entire planet. People can be noisy talking about both science and knitting.... more... - Steve Koch
I have to say that "knitting pattern" comment smacks of a rather different attitude than the one I see when Mark is working his ass off for nothing, soliciting feedback and acting on it in a concrete fashion, to create a valuable resource for the open science community. Since actions speak louder than words I'm going with the benefit of the doubt and assuming something got lost in translation there. - Bill Hooker
I also think Steve has the right idea -- loosen the restrictions and watch who turns up. It's not likely that knitters will take over the site, unless there is a real connection between open science and knitting -- in which case we all benefit. If, as seems likely, the initial core community is drawn from FF Life Scientists and related rooms, then I'd expect the tenor of the place to continue much as it is -- so long as everyone feels welcome. - Bill Hooker
Mark, thanks! I think Steve noticed an important point - real FF replacement that would attract large (well, not that large, a few thousands) amount of people is going to create a major headache of maintaining the site. And I don't think we can effectively share the workload and I don't want to put that on a single person (unless paid, but that's not going to work either, at least not yet). Obviously I wanted the cake and to eat it too, but I don't have resources to build and maintain a real FF-replacement. - Pawel Szczesny
I've added my immediate desires to the etherpad. Would of course most like FF itself to grow rather than wither, though. Buying FF seems unrealistic (anybody here BBF with B. Gates?), but getting FB to donate the code to a group of scientists who would then apply for an international, collaborative grant with all the FF code as 'preliminary data' seems more realistic, albeit also rather... more... - Björn Brembs
That was exactly what I was just writing, Bjoern. If only resources are the issue, we should apply for them. I think we could get a solid representation of 6-10 countries, which might be enough. - Pawel Szczesny
However, if we can get funding, I would rather see super S3.0-FF combo instead of another FF - things like Etherpad, group wikis, etc. are great addition. - Pawel Szczesny
I agree that any new site should of course develop new functionality beyond keeping the tried and tested ones. This would clearly include cooperative writing, easy referencing (think, e.g., Mendeley functionality), data display (e.g., MatLab or R functionality) and so on. See our rejected grant here: https://docs.google.com/Doc... - Björn Brembs
Great, let's push it then. Anybody interested in participating in such grant? Mark, what's your opinion? I've already sent an email to my contact on EU funding to see if we fit anywhere within existing programs. - Pawel Szczesny
Hi everyone, this is brilliant. Firstl, I would like to apologise to all of those who took offence to the knitting comment I think something was lost in translation. I also love librarians and there are a lot of them on S3.0, none more prominently than one of our top bloggers Beth Brown. It is a difficult one to explain so I'll try not to mess it up again. S3.0 has a lot of the... more... - science3point0
Something to reconcile science and knitting: http://www.ted.com/talks... - really worth the time! - Daniel Mietchen
So Pawel's up for a grant and so am I, despite my prior experience. Who else? - Björn Brembs
Im happy to help in any way I can too Bjoern. - science3point0
Came across this yesterday...wonder whether it might help? http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7... - Cameron Neylon
Another one for submeta? (http://www.submeta.org/Home...) - Bill Hooker
I think we have two options - small directed grant for setting the site and something much bigger which would also cover outreach, maintenance and what not. Not sure what's your opinion, but I would opt for both: applying for small grant to Submeta/OSI (any other options?) which we could later use as "preliminary data" for something bigger (let's say EU international grant). I don't... more... - Pawel Szczesny
Marius, Convore has the same issue as FriendFeed - we have no control over it. Even if it's working (so far), there's no guarantee that's going to be true in the future. - Pawel Szczesny
I am interested in supporting grants, on the other hand am I an industry person and I guess we all know that I do not think I can make this fly when asking for additional internal company funding. Second, I personally would be in favor of creating a not-for-profit organization with all consequences. Then, third, we put a treasurer in-place and go for money fishing via 'PayPal,... more... - joergkurtwegner
@Mark - Can we talk about this on Saturday, the 12th in London? Anyone else around? - joergkurtwegner
Marius, to continue your metaphor, there are cases when driving a car is better than using public transportation. It might be that most of you don't need a car. Given very little interest in collaboration on a grant for FF-like platform, I would assume it's even true. But as for me, I would rather invest time in a service I can ask somebody to add a feature for me (let's say generic RSS feeds) and have it available reasonably fast (see Mark's responses above). - Pawel Szczesny
Joerg, that's why I thought about applying for a bigger grant as well - substantial amount of money could be then devoted to maintenance. But non-profit sounds fine as well. - Pawel Szczesny
Marius, one more thing - if the consensus is to move to Convore (which is likely given the answers so far), I won't argue with that. Personally however, I won't be an early adopter :). - Pawel Szczesny
OK, OK, I registered... I won't complain about missing features (compared to FF) but settings really made be laugh :) "Email me when: Someone mentions my name (not yet implemented) I've missed a week of messages (not yet implemented)" Let's see how it develops. - Pawel Szczesny
Joined convore, just to see what happens there. I really like jkw's idea for a nonprofit, since seed money could carry it through to the point where the userbase (ads, fees) would be enough to support it indefinitely. I'm assuming here that it would not cost a huge amount to set up or maintain -- e.g. approximately one salary plus ?? for bandwidth/hosting/etc. Anyone have any better guesses as to actual numbers? - Bill Hooker
When considering web platforms, how about StatusNet? It is open source and supports true realtime updates through Orbited http://status.net/wiki.... The best feature of Friendfeed is the conversational aspect, the import options are only to get things started. Also Identi.ca users with less specialized interest could subscribe to people on S3.0 without having to create a new account. - Mike Chelen
Im happy to go with any platform depending on whether we have somebody in the group who is well versed in operating it. With regards to @bills question, I think the main thing to cover would be hosting and then any extra funding we can get for dev/outreach would be a bonus. - science3point0
Perhaps we've already discussed this and tabled it because we didn't have the developer talent available, but if we want all the friendfeed features, why don't we just use the friendfeed framework: http://bret.appspot.com/entry.... The two dealbreakers for me are site slowness and lack of useful discussion features like those we have here. A system built on that, running... more... - Mr. Gunn
science3point0: Would it be helpful for someone to setup a free hosted account through http://statusn.net or even a self-hosted instance? Either should be possible, though realtime plugins might require additional work. - Mike Chelen
Mr. Gunn: How about integrating Tornado with WordPress or StatusNet? There would probably be other users that would also like to use those combinations of services and might get involved. - Mike Chelen
Are we missing the obvious? One of us just make a billion dollars and fund this stuff? Begin - Steve Koch
Deepak Singh
Time to Recognize A New Norm in Scientific Review! - http://omicsomics.blogspot.com/2011...
"The point of scientific publishing and peer review is not to protect reputations and not to promote orthodoxy; the point of these is to attempt to ensure that good science is made better and bad science is swept clean as soon as possible. The existing system of formal review represents an approach to this goal which evolved over time; it is neither perfect nor unquestionable. The time is now for a new ethos in science in which any reasoned source of scientific criticism is accepted and can expect response." - Deepak Singh
Doctors, Students, & Health Care Professionals
alt-metrics: new metrics based on the Social Web for analyzing and informing scholarship. http://altmetrics.org/manifes...
Ramy Karam Aziz
I wonder whether a multi-dimensional system like @klout is/could be implemented in measuring #AltMetrics on the article level
That's the plan :) - Jason Priem
That's cool. I would like to be updated - Ramy Karam Aziz
Daniel Mietchen
"XML submission, editorial, publication and dissemination workflow" #OA - http://www.pensoft.net/news...
"XML submission, editorial, publication and dissemination workflow" #OA
"XML submission, editorial, publication and dissemination workflow" #OA
"XML submission, editorial, publication and dissemination workflow" #OA
Anyone know of other journals with entirely XML-based workflows? Or at least entirely based on online formats (including submission), beyond what was discussed at http://ff.im/oH5OG? - Daniel Mietchen from Bookmarklet
Is it really an XML submission system? Of the paper? Some of the IUCr journals use a form based system but I've not seen anyone accepting XML directly. 99% of authors would surely not know what to do? - Cameron Neylon
As far as I can tell, it's really XML throughout. @pensoft - can you please comment? - Daniel Mietchen
Daniel, our editorial, publishing and dissemination workflow is XML-based; as the submission process, we prototyped and published this in issue 50 of ZooKeys (http://www.pensoft.net/journal...), In short, we can accept XML submissions and develop now a routine process for that. Lyubo - Lyubomir Penev
jessykate
Alt-metrics: a manifesto – altmetrics.org - http://altmetrics.org/manifes...
Chris Rusbridge
Alt-metrics: a manifesto – altmetrics.org - http://altmetrics.org/manifes...
Björn Brembs
Heather Piwowar
Today: boldly going forward because we cannot find reverse.
lol this is so funny! - Shanthi Bradley
@Rajarshi hadn't seen that before. Funny! - Heather Piwowar
Michael Nielsen
Mr. Gunn
[Big News!] NIH to use ORCID as Author Identifier. (via @orcid_org) - http://www.weopenid.org/press-r...
has anything happened since this article in September? - Jennifer Melinn
Not AFAIK, but I just saw it tweeted today, so perhaps ask Martin? - Mr. Gunn
The follow-up meeting mentioned in the press release hasn't happened yet. - Martin Fenner
Good news all the same - at least given that before NIH was not playing ball at all (if I remember correctly). - 'Mummi' Thorisson
I hope that there is more to report at the next ORCID Participant meeting November 18 in London. - Martin Fenner
Pierre Lindenbaum
The shortDOI Service is a public service, open to anyone, that creates shortcuts to DOI® names, which are often very long strings. The service creates short handles of the form 10/abcde and enables short HTTP URIs of the form http://doi.org/abcde that are ideal for use in email, blogs, mobile messaging and more. - Pierre Lindenbaum
Roderic Page
RT @mendeley_com: Mendeley Blog: Another researcher index? ReaderMeter looks to answer with Mendeley http://www.mendeley.com/blog... (post by @acaprod)
Key idea: "Its goal is not to redefine the concept of research impact as we know it, but ... help identify aspects of impact that may go unnoticed when we only focus on traditional, citation-based metrics." Alt-metrics like this *can* help transform how we understand impact, but not if we frame it strictly in "out with the old, in with the new" terms. - Jason Priem
Lars Juhl Jensen
Mendeley, Scopus, Talis – will you be making your data Open? - http://wwmm.ch.cam.ac.uk/blogs...
This is the $64 question. There is also the question of what does "open" mean? Does it mean a dump of all the data (à la GenBank), or does it mean API access? - Roderic Page
Roderic Page
URL encoder (Percent-encoding, escape) with charset - online - http://www.motobit.com/util...
There are a lot of samples of URL encoder on Internet, but I find no one URL encoder which I can specify a destination charset for the URL encoded data. I'm working in Czech, so many times I need URL encode to windows-1250 or iso-8859-2 charsets. - Roderic Page
Cameron Neylon
“You’re not published, you’re privated” | Digital // Literate - http://www.christopherdickman.org/archive...
“if you publish in a journal which charges for access, you are not published, you are privated. Published means to make public. If the public does not have access to it except for by a fee, it is not public, it is private.” - Dave Parry - Cameron Neylon from Bookmarklet
"We should start conceiving scholarship as if it will not end up in books" (Dave Parry at ca. 1min in of http://vimeo.com/11359514 ). The quote mentioned by Cameron comes at around 1:50min. - Daniel Mietchen
"Publishing and editing is a hack based on the scarcity of paper; no need to carry it over to the new media" (4:10) - Daniel Mietchen
His notes for the talk are at http://academhack.outsidethetext.com/home... . Main points: Stop Publishing in Closed Systems/ Self Publish/ End the .pdf madness/ Get Over Peer Review/ Aspire to Be a Curator/ Think Beyond the Book. - Daniel Mietchen
"Think of the book as one form, not the form. Indeed think of things that move beyond the book. What if you are writing didn’t have to be stable, didn’t have to have a final version, what if you could constantly update, change alter, make available your work. There will be no final copy, just the most recent version." (ca. 14:00) - Daniel Mietchen
Jonathan Eisen
Professors: Don't let your PhD students see this line re: behind great moments are heroic people doing really boring & frustrating things for prolonged period of time. - http://www.nytimes.com/2010...
"We always need to remember that behind almost every great moment in history, there are heroic people doing really boring and frustrating things for a prolonged period of time." - Jonathan Eisen from Bookmarklet
Pierre Lindenbaum
Kubke
Metrics: don't dismiss journals with a low impact factor : Nature : Nature Publishing Group - http://www.nature.com.ezproxy....
"Researchers do not want their worth to be assessed on the basis of a single metric because metrics can be misleading and manipulated (Nature 465, 860–862; 2010). The same logic applies to journals." - Kubke from Bookmarklet
Oh yes they do. In my last lab, I know one postdoc who was furious at the UCSF proposed ban for Nature journals because that might have prevented him from publishing a Nature article, and thus stymie his chances for a faculty position. Shortsighted but understandable. - Bosco Ho
@Bosco but being realistic that those are the metrics that are used is not contradictory with not wanting it to be so. The question for the postdoc would be whether he is happy that he has to consider that. - Kubke
@Kubke, my feeling is that this postdoc has never thought beyond his own process. - Bosco Ho
@Bosco I wouldn't be surprised and that is probably why the system continues to exist - Kubke
But it wouldn't have a big an effect on his position at a UC university, right? - Mr. Gunn
Christina Pikas
journal article title of the day "Bibliometrics as Weapons of Mass Citation"
DOI: 10.2533/chimia.2010.78 - Christina Pikas
from the abstract "Since we fear that decision-takers of granting agencies such as the FNRS, CTI, EPFL, ETHZ, ANR, CNRS, NIH, NSF, DOE,[1] etc. will be too busy to read our humble paper in Chimia, we appeal to scientists of all countries and disciplines to unite against the tyranny of bibliometrics. " - Christina Pikas
No access here either .-( - Björn Brembs
Thanks John: "Just as the ‘value’ of financial products is assessed by irresponsible ranking agencies, the value of scientific research is assessed by ill-conceived parameters such as citation indices, h-factors, and worst of all, impact factors of journals." - Björn Brembs
[loving "doi or it didn't happen!"] - Steele Lawman
And it gets better: "But the overwhelming fashion of bibliometrics is largely due to the narcissistic mind of the scientists themselves. Their fascination for citation indexes often drives them beyond reason. Their obsession with their egos is much more perverse than the laziness of granting agencies." - Björn Brembs
I find it odd that an article be written in two alternating languages. French & English are fine for me, but still. - John Dupuis
"The most recent ‘measure’ of an individual’s fame is his so-called h-factor (see Annex 2). Although some scientists view these factors with a healthy dose of scepticism, most of them love to monitor the steady progress of their own h-factors (which can never go down, unlike a golfer’s handicap). The h-fashion has been spreading across the world even faster than the A(H1N1) influenza virus." - John Dupuis
"Since h-factors and the like tend to focus on flashy work, the fashion of bibliometrics may be a coup de grâce for humble science." - Björn Brembs
"As one of our most esteemed colleagues put it, magazines such as Science are fit to be left on the coffee table in the common room, along with Time Magazine, l’Hebdo, Spiegel, and perhaps Gala." - Björn Brembs
LOL "doi or it didn't happen" - maʀtha
"Wielding their IFs as Greek gods their bronze axes, editors-in-chief of major journals are now endowed with inordinate power." I think "Wielding their X as Greek gods their Y" needs to be my new catchphrase. - Marianne
Sounds like Percy Jackson Damage to me. - Steele Lawman
These guys have really dropped the gloves completely. "This obscure taste for oneself is accompanied by a certain lack of courage: bibliometry is a refuge for the scientist who fears his colleagues and the institutions. In the academic jungle of power, how can one precisely trace the games of alliance, the networks, the client base? Instead of advancing an independent judgment that might win you enemies, it's less risky to become an accountant." - Marianne
(Bad translation mine.) Also, holy cow. When is the last time I saw a manifesto like this coming out of an academic science journal?? It's been *ages*. - Marianne
This sounds awesome! - Katy S
fwiw, i really should say that I learned about this from Thurston Miller of Notre Dame on ChmInf - Christina Pikas
Wow, "...unite against the tyranny of bibliometrics." Scholars of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your h-indexes! - Jason Priem
Daniel Mietchen
Jean-Claude points out one of the problems with article-level metrics: They only measure access to one copy #scspn (slide 57).
yeah - this is real issue for OA articles, where they may exist in a preprint, author website, institutional repository etc. The figures we get for downloads on BioMed and PhysMath Central are a <100% total of all downloads, but it's impossible to tell how many accesses happen elsewhere. - Chris Leonard
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