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Talking with Niall Kennedy today he noted that because of cloud computing every programmer will know how much their code costs. Implications:
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1. Programmers will be incented to remove processor time from their programs.
- Robert Scoble
2. New tools (sorta like Visual Studio) will evolve that will tell the programmer the cost per server DLL or compiled bundle. Imagine a tool that, after you compiled your code, would say "with 100,000 users this code will cost you $497 of Rackspace time, $535 of Amazon EC2 time, $524 of GoGrid time."
- Robert Scoble
More economic incentive to hire good programmers!
- Dean Clark
And with EzChip and Netlogic those apps will run faster than desktop apps! here we go into the future!
- Stephen Pickering
3. Employers will hire people who can write more efficent code, because it'll be in their best interests to do so. This is a huge change from today, where programmers are incented to "get it done" and not care so much about processor time.
- Robert Scoble
1a. Not really - developers will continue developing. This item refers to folks who make deployment decisions.
- iTad
Stephen and Dean: exactly!
- Robert Scoble
Process control and synchronization will become more important than load balancing.
- Brian Roy
2a. This in turn will cause fierce competition and will lower prices.
- iTad
Your second point is very interesting indeed. For subscription based services you can really pin-point cost vs. price and adjust dynamically/automatically when the code changes (especially in a cost +) scenario.
- Christopher
as far as web based stuff goes a more immediate realization is the bandwidth costs associated w/ images and other static file downloads. web guys n gals are now paying attention to client side caching, gzipping and all that good stuff that reduces bandwidth and overall # of http requests
- Arin
Tad: I disagree. Because EC2 and other cloud systems will charge for processor time (and other systems will charge for bandwidth amount) employers will start putting much more pressure on programmers to remove those costs from their code.
- Robert Scoble
3a. I'll believe it when I see it. Even when shown all of the advantages of agile and test driven development most CTOs continue to view it with scorn. As long as non-technical managers are driving the bus there will never be enough focus on quality of code.
- iTad
Niall was also saying that programmers will choose between available code (Wordpress plugins, for instance) based on how much processor time they take. Word will get around that XYZ plugin does basically the same thing as ABC plugin but does it in 20% less processor time, which will reduce cost.
- Robert Scoble
Tad: when the CTO is seeing the credit card statement from cloud computing every month they'll start looking into it. They might be lazy, but if the tools present cost per component these things will change, and change quickly. Especially if the economy remains as crappy as it is today.
- Robert Scoble
It'll still be a race to see who can put what out the first. Regardless of cost or quality, many time the guy first out of the gate wins. As long as you're first you can always go back and fix things later... Or so most of the development managers I've known seem to think.
- iTad
I think there may be a large amount of work going into profiling and optimizing frameworks/apps, but most developers won't worry about "processor" time. We'll write the code and then there'll be a bigger emphasis on clearing up bottlenecks, etc. Biggest change might just be in best practices.
- iTad
Let me clarify - the biggest single waste of processing cycles is processes running with nothing to do. Being able to dynamically allocate and retire "processing units" by controlling which processes are running when and were is the 80%. Code optimization is the 20%. No argument it will become an issue, but really efficient code idling is a far bigger waste than code with 4% wasted processor time.
- Brian Roy
++ Brian
- iTad
Virtualization will get more attention with cloud computing models in the future. Virtualization will enable organizations to create virtual instances designed to dynamically isolate processes and services so systems can inter-operate with minimal impacts when 1 process hangs or gets saturated. This way we can shape our systems to align hardware, code and processes to optimal fit
- Susan Beebe
I had a post on this a while back Cloud Programming Directly Feeds Cost Allocation Back into Software Design (http://highscalability.com/links...). The optimizations will be different for different clouds. For Amazon the goal is drive load to the CPU (http://highscalability.com/strateg...). Other clouds will no doubt favor other optimizations.
- Todd Hoff
Right Susan. I've also read that virtualization in the cloud will also make services much more robust because if one data center or even service provider (ex. EC2) bites the dust, it'll be possible to relatively seamlessly switch to another. Virtualization on the cloud is very exciting.
- iTad
Toddh - great point. I assumed an on/off virtual CPU like Amazon - which would mean the goal is high CPU utilization. If the model is % load based or how much CPU you actually use the model is very different.
- Brian Roy
Tad I think you're right and those coming out of the universities need to start listening to their Instructors ( I was an Instructor) on taking the time for best practices. Most coder wannabes at least in the U I taught at wanted to "get in and get er done". Very impatient.
- Melanie Reed
... and they can come to learn what impact they are having on the state of the climate - and the planet as a whole
- James Pearce
This is really nothing new -- mainframe developers could also have a sense of how much their code cost.
- Michael Lee
I wonder if it would provide incentives to tier access to CPU heavy functionalities when the load starts to scale up. With few users, you want to attract users, so you offer everything you have, but as you get more users, to make sure that you can manage your cost increase, you need the additional users to be more CPU efficient, so maybe you will not let them access the more CPU hungry functionalities...
- Antoine Bertier
+1 Michael, in fact it goes back to time sharing days....
- Antoine Bertier
Cloud computing is time-sharing or load sharing, or load balancing. We haven't thought about it enough as a concept. See Brad Templeton's talk at #BIL
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
Michael: one difference, though. Lots of programmer friends of mine have Cloud Computing accounts at Amazon, Gogrid, or Rackspace and are writing and uploading code there. I was just at Gogrid and got a demo and their cost report is in your face. You know exactly how much is being charged to your credit cards. Back in the mainframe days the costs of those things were so high only the biggest corporations could afford them and no one had credit cards back then. The feedback loop is much faster.
- Robert Scoble
software development / programming cost depends on cost of communication, it's 80/20 not aiming at the 2nd performance or energy percentile. though, tuning specialization could emerge due to selling to the uninformed - without ever breaking even...
- wolf hesse
I finally posted more detailed thoughts on the current cloud computing landscape and ways we might measure code efficiency and cost in the future. http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog... http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog...
- Niall Kennedy
programmers and arch designers that can produce results that have a high perceived value and a low resource use (cpu, bandwidth, storage) will be rewarded. this may not result in better experiences for the user, tho.
- MikeAmundsen
Its not because of cloud computing, its because of a recent trend in accountability. But I like your point, Scoble.
- Aaron deMello
For business applications, MVC-like platforms (JBoss, CakePHP, RoR) will win in the end with cloud computing. Since they support pattern expansion they are very efficient, the prerequisite for cloud computing. The programmers themselves don't matter that much in this case, analysts and architects do however. On the contrary, writing computational intensive code (e.g. C++) will require the BEST people. Those who know their algorithms will thrive.
- Kris
Basically it comes down to this: machines should work; people should think. Something that IBM has called the Pollyanna principle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Kris
I agree with Robert in that CTO's might start thinking differently when they get that bill every month from Rackspace (or whoever), but in a grand scheme of things I don't think anything will be "really" done about programmers code and the processing power that it uses. If that was really the case, we'd all start programming in C again... or even Assembly!
- Daniel Marashlian
i suspect that providers will learn that CTOs are looking to shave costs. as a counter-measure, providers will sell 'blocks' of CPU/Bandwidth/Storage ala fixed cell phone plans. they'll capture the 'monthly remainder' as extra profit. some will offer 'roll-overs' to soothe CTOs. the ones that offer totally metered pricing will be shouted down by the FUD of 'runaway' monthly costs touted by the packagers. oh yeah, the pkg price magically matches the cost of your own hardwr/maint costs.CTOs will like that
- MikeAmundsen
Business and marketing is always going to drive development, that's why 80% of software is never released. Even if it is released, functionality is always going to be #1 on the priority list. Testing, Bugs, UI, and especially performance are always last on the list. That's why a formal education in Computer Science is going to be more critical then ever in the years to come. All of those secondary pieces in the software development cycle need to be woven into the developers DNA.
- Daniel Marashlian
This really is full circle to the 70's and 80's again. One problem that I can see impacting on how competative the space could be is with the ease on how people can simply move supplier. If you have a service that involves data creation and handling (your customer CRM for example), how easy would it be to port that data across to a competing cloud based service for whatever reason (costs, disagreements, change in business)? I know what's involved on the inhouse side and would be similar in many respects.
- alphaxion
Obama to Address the Nation Each Week on YouTube - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Obama: The most powerful social media organizer in the word.
- Alex Williams
So awesome.
- Clay Newton
bangpound - no joke, it is a little strange isn't it? government moves slow though and this is a good example of how sometimes the smartest thing it can do is be smart about what steps to follow the corporate world in. notice there's no SecondLife version! lol
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from IM
f-ing BRILLIANT.
- Patricia
What would be a good name for what something that is essentially Fireside Chat 2.0?
- Victor Ganata
i can't wait for the comments on his videos to fill up with homophobic anti-semetic nonsensical ramblings. i can think of no better forum for presidential conversation than youtube comments. BRING ON THE GAYNESS LOL THIS SUX!
- @baratunde
from twhirl
baratunde! you are too right too right. maybe you should stick to conversing with the Pres in more civilized fora, like as his MySpace friend?
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from IM
Aww, so no live Ustream.tv broadcast to precede the YouTube post?
- Glenn Batuyong
this should be interesting, wonder if Obamatube.com is already taken.
- Thomas Hunsaker
from IM
@benjamin Doherty: exactly.
- Chris Hollander
Bad idea. Only dictators did that on old tv.
- Jorge Martins Rosa
FDR would've done it if they had had the Internet. Or TV.
- Victor Ganata
I guess dedalusjmmr must be unaware that Presidents do weekly radio address.
- Anika
Will comments be allowed? Will it be available on iTunes like it has been for the past..ohh 6 years?
- Mike Lewis
from twhirl
I agree Chris. When I was a kid, I used to listen to the weekly addresses. When the WH started putting the text online, I'd just read it. When they started posting the audio, it made it easier to do it on my time. And I like going back through the archives, though it's annoying that the current way the WH posts the address, no longer give short summaries. This will make it even easier to view/listen when I want.
- Anika
Certainly beats preempting your favourite TV show. "We now return to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress."
- Andrew Smith
What happens to the digitally disenfranchised in these "Fireside" YouTube chats? Is there a plan "B" for them apart from XM?
- Melanie Reed
Melanie the WH has been archiving the transcript and audio on whitehouse.gov for awhile now. The weekly addresses will still be on the radio as they have for the past 80 or so years.
- Anika
Anika, Thank you. I was aware of the WH site for some time. But I was concerned that the DD not be left out. It is good to know that these communications will still be radio-accessible. That is all many of these people have or understand. And that's all right. Their need and wisdom are still very vital.
- Melanie Reed
He wouldn't be the first high government representative doing something like this. Queen Rania of Jordan encouraged a video debate there in the run up to Youth Day in August and the British Royals have a channel there without comments I believe, with archived videos. But I don't think it's a good idea to have the weekly presidential address. At least not JUST in YouTube. Is he doing the video with some other TV or video companies or is it just YouTube?
- Cibeles
I'd love it if Gordon Brown did this, oh wait, no, maybe not. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
that site is actually http://youTube.com/BarackObama , not user with dotcom at the end anymore
- pb:
New Feedly combines Google Reader, friendfeed, Twitter in great way for social network addicts - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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Here's the video I did yesterday with Edwin who shows me what Feedly is all about. Edwin talks about the real time web (Steve Gillmor alert) and demos the latest.
- Robert Scoble
This is really great. I tried Feedly when it was released around the FF 3.0 release and struggled with it's magazine metaphor. I was very much used to the inbox metaphor of google reader. However, the new real-time search integration with Friendfeed and Twitter is amazing. It has really become a conversation awareness tool for browsing.
- Dave Senior
Used Feedly before. Gonna have to give it a look again. The idea of everything in one place is very appealing.
- Paul Wade
Not to mention the great little Feedly mini bar at the bottom of every page - easy to share, tweet, email whatever you find - even outside of Feedly. INtegration with delicious, tumblr, google reader, friendfeed - it's fantastic
- James Hull
off to have another look. I was using Feedly for a while till I switched to Chrome.
- Sharon Hurley Hall
Just to add here to the love - the documentation is kind of confusing at first. There are a ton of great shortcut keystrokes that I've been able to find - 'd' while reading an article, automatically opens up the delicious tagging extension (if you have it installed) - 'gg' will open a window with quick access to your feeds, and so on
- James Hull
I love feedly use it all the time especially the new features
- Kim Landwehr
Cool. I got here from the Feedly mini that popped up while I was reading Scoble's blog post about this.
- Tom Landini
I really want it to figure out the most popular posts for me though. The digest should show conversations like Kosmix does, based on my FF/twitter/digg/reddit friends.
- Brandon Titus
gonna have to give this a try asap
- andy brudtkuhl
Been having fun playing with the new Feedly mini. Not working consistently on sites, and I have yet to click a link in Twitter and have the Twitter integration kick in. Still a very nice little tool.
- Sean Brady
Feedly is very good. I just wish I could use it on Safari.
- Louis Gray
Sean: re: consistency. we are adding a button to manually pop up in the cases where the metadata does not pass the "interesting" bar. Regarding twitter, can you please open a bug on getsatisfaction.com/feedly and let us know which twitter page you are clicking through from and if you have any other twitter extension which might interfere with the topic detection and we will track the issue down.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
thank you Louis! Today reminded me of the launch you helped us detonate back on June 16th (and hope that we have learned our lessons and nothing will backfire this time!). Thank again for the initial push!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
My social network workflow is a recursive loop of images and information that now passes between >> Feedly - Tweetdeck - Friendfeed << Feedly has become a keystone.
- Brad Kligerman
For me, Greader is to Feedly as Twitter is to Friendfeed. Rss stream provides the data source, its inertia, but it requires another workflow modality to actually begin to understand its dense, complex meaning.
- Brad Kligerman
completely automatic - if you're already signed in to those services. Freaked me out at first - but then loved it.
- James Hull
If you're looking for the Feedly mini-bar at the bottom, try opening a new window, I've found sometimes that helps to show it. Plus, I think it only comes up on feeds that you're subscribed to, or something like that. AGain, it's not perfectly clear. The buttons for sharing with friendfeed and twitter on individual posts should appear below each headline...
- James Hull
How did I get 5 hours behind the eight ball on this?? Awesome, thanks Robert!
- Phil Glockner
Feedly is excellent and the team work really hard to put in new features every week, and then release it!
- Scott Davies
I can't quite see what is new, we already have add ons that do these things - what am I missing?
- Iphigenie
will have to look it up, don't use firefox much anymore - but I had add ons for sharing, finding, looking up things like digg popularity - there's glue and Shareaholic and stumble upon and I forgot some of the other names. The only really new thing is the friendfeed stats, and I am of mixed feelings about it, because I wonder what effect tens of thousands of people doing a friendfeed search for every web page they visit will have on the cost and performance of the service?
- Iphigenie
It's confused me so far
- Richard A.
I'm reading this inside Feedly right now. Couldn't imagine keeping track of all the news without it. Hope it comes to Google Chrome.
- Kris Haamer
@joelle. nice you meet you. Next time you are in the San Francisco Bay area and have some time, please give us a heads up and we will be happy to both show you how feedly is different and is built differently.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@edwin thanks for that - although I doubt I'll be in the area soon unless i get a surprise recruitment of some sort, being in Europe. Now I can see the interest of feedly as a well integrated and featured feed page/reader, I think, it's just some of the claims in this thread were a bit... much :D
- Iphigenie
The "much" part is probably due to the euphoria of the launch (and Robert's touch!). But if you do a search for feedly on twitter you will notice that different people like/dislike different aspects of the experience (which allows us to continuously learn and improve it). If you have the chance, next time you have firefox up and running try the twitter sharing/re-tweeting feature of mini...you never know, you might be surprised!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
This is totally amazing! Fantastic work guys - not too sure what is going on under the hood, but the output is great!
- Stephen D
Just because you have taken the time to explain I will install firefox and give it a good whirl :D - the only ff i have at the moment is ff2 on the linux mininote, so i need to install ff3 somewhere
- Iphigenie
I've been trying it since yesterday. Impressed with flexibility and ease of use. Mini is great for forwarding to others.
- Joe Buhler
from twhirl
and of course the twitter posting.
- Joe Buhler
from twhirl
Twitter has fallen Angel Falls in my eyes, and not in the fun Base jumping way.
- Richard A.
Didn't even realize it until the recommendations started popping up in Google Reader .... Cool Stuff. Congrats Edwin ... again
- Charlie Anzman
Open Thread: Is Google Latitude Dangerous? - http://flowingdata.com/2009...
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Of course not, I've been using it five days and so far no one has come up to me saying "I know where you are. Personally I like it.
- Richard A.
As a journalist, I'm simultaneously appalled and not at all surprised at how the mainstream press has turned Google Latitude into a Big Brother argument. In the same light as how online shopping on Amazon is in actuality safer than handing your credit card over to some unscrupulous cashier who charges stuff in your name 2 minutes after you leave, technically managing a closed social...
more...
- Jason Salas
We've been unable to locate Richard Azia since he had his mobile stolen earlier today . . . ;-)
- Ed Richardson
Like any other service, it depends on how you use it. My cellular phone could be an even greater danger than Latitude if I use it irresponsibly while driving. Yes, it's a different type of service so maybe it's a poor example, but we have to understand and use ANY service responsibly IMO.
- Kevin C. Tofel
it's just as dangerous as anything else in life...these technologies just seem *more* dangerous because it's *new* to us. like Jason Salas said, we've been handing over our credit card for years now...that doesn't seem dangerous. we've been leaving our doors unlocked forever...anything can be dangerous if you're not careful or smart about it.
- stanleyyork
I can chose how detailed my location is for you. If I chose I can tell you by city, if not I can tell you within twenty meters :-). If a thief steals my phone then we know where he is, send the cops there to arrest the bastard and paf, perfect :-)
- Richard A.
But then again it's great for echangistes; (swingers in English) :-)
- Richard A.
Right on, Stanley. I've been telling people since GLat launched: "If you don't like it, don't signup. If you get an invite, reject it." Simple as that.
- Jason Salas
It depends on your personal life: if you owe money to the mob, if you cheat on your wife, if you're in the FBI 10 top-wanted list...
- Jordi Soler
Twitter Client War: Twhirl vs. TweetDeck - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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i still like tweetdeck better :)
- Rodney Rumford
I'm sure Twhirl is fabulous and I really appreciate @Loic and his engaging method of development, but I just can't beat TweetDeck's multi-column layout. It's ideal for a 30" cinema display but equally at home running full screen on MBPro
- Conor Ogle
TweetDeck uses too much memory for my computer, so I use Twhirl
- @LarsenTweet
Neither, I still prefer Twitterific on a Mac. If I had to decide between these both: probably Twhirl, even though I hate their scrolling implementation.
- Holger Eilhard
I like them both but prefer tweetdeck for single account mgmt. Twirl works well for multiple account mgmt
- Tim FitzGerald
I go back and forth between the two. TweetDeck: love the multi-column group management, but hate the memory usage and inability to sync group lists across machines. Twhirl: I like the FriendFeed and Seesmic integration, but I miss the group list management offered by TweetDeck. To TweetDeck's credit, they are soliciting input on what issues to tackle next; group sync and memory issues were on the list.
- Brian Shoemaker
I prefer the Tweetdeck interface but am using Twhirl because I need to manage multiple accounts.
- Herb Hernandez
At home, Tweetdeck. What about when mobile though? I used tweetdeck on a UMPC at MBC09 (saves my mobile phone for other duties!) and will have a bunch of mobile PC devices at SXSW to do the same (i'm testing them) Seems to me that Tweetdeck + powerful browser on the go would be perfect for microbloggers.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I prefer to use clients that extend beyond twitter.. Preferably Friendfeed and Facebook as well. feedalizr is good. Any other alternatives?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
Twhirl feels clunky and it's UI is too complex. Twitterific is perfect for day to day personal use, but Tweetdeck is great for corp accounts.
- Giovanni Ghignone
I use TweetDeck primarily, but it needs Twhirl's lookup feature in the worst way. That one feature keeps me going back and forth. Oh yeah, and multiple accounts. Love Twhirl for that.
- Gimme Blu Frog!
neither of them, They just don't feel right to me. I developed my own which has what I need.
- Darren Stuart
I use Twhirl more, just got Tweetdeck a day ago, like the layout for management. I love Spaz though, sorry!
- Jay Cameron
I started as a big Twhirl fan, til the day it wasn't working. I desperately seek for an option and tried TweetDeck. It was too big in my screen, too annoying with its sound alerts, but then, ok: it got me! groups features became very handy and good to use Twitter for working tasks. I still think TweetDeck could benefit from some Twhirl features - specially after Seesmic acquisition, but can't see myself going back to it anymore.TweetDeck is my favorite one! =]
- May
iam sticking with twhirl for now...
- Stephan Linzner
@ninjamonk which tool did you develop?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
i'm liking the new twhirl has some great features and looks like the tool for seesmic users for sure, tweetdeck would be my pick if i was following loads of people
- Adam Gersbach
@Abhishek Kumar I did crowdstatus.com and have built an AIR client based on it but its still not ready as I am in an arms race :p
- Darren Stuart
I use both. Twhirl allows both of my accounts open side-by-side and it's integration with Seesmic is VERY cool. Tweetdeck's layout has superior advantages - especially "sub-groups" and topics to follow.
- Stan Dubin
Twhirl
- Vishy
I like Tweetdeck but recently added a second Twitter account so now using Twhirl. If Tweetdeck had multiple account functionality (and Friendfeed connection) I would switch back.
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
I'm using Friendfeed Realtime and Tweetdeck if I'm not on my Samsung NC10 Netbook.
- Marius QúådflÌÊg
http://twtpoll.com/r/jaqtnw still, more people use Twitter from the web...
- Orli Yakuel
I love Twhirl, but it only lacks the groups of users feature of Tweetdeck. I love Tweetdeck, but it lacks the notifying popup for each twit of Twhirl.
- americanm
Tweetdeck on my personal laptop (usage times vary - not always on). Last night app wasn't working right!
- Susan Beebe
I prefer Tweetdeck. Don't ask me why, call it design or robustness but I like it better.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Some sort of hybrid of the two would be perfect, until then I use both.
- Iain Baker
I really agree with this :)
- Liviu Lica
I can't decide, I like Tweetdeck because its nice and big and love the muliple colums, but I like twhirl because I can pick up Friendfeed, Seesmic and TWitarmy.... hard to decide
- Kim Landwehr
I use tweetdeck because of the groups. I have a tab for my favorites and one for people in my country/language (Netherlands). I don't care much for other features like video or integration with other services. Ideally tweetdeck would have the possibility of one column with tabs and save groups and searches.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Robert, this goes back to your recent "real-time web" post: how do you gather together the outcomes of discussions on the various sites? Someone could post a great comment on the post at scobleizer.com, but it wouldn't show up on your FriendFeed unless you or someone else did an equivalent of a re-tweet. What's the preferred reply etiquette these days?
- Paul Robertson
twhirl, far better
- Richard A.
I had thwirl, but never really used it much. I did switch to tweetdeck a while ago (for the second time and have grown to like it a lot. However, I use mobile apps most (slandr/twitstat mobile).
- Arne Hulstein
Tweetdeck is lifesaver by allowing groups.
- Kenley Neufeld
I don't use any Twitter clients. I use Twhirl for Laconica
- LouCypher
While my first choice is still the Web, for TwitApps I am a Twhirl Girl.
- Martha
twhirl will always rule for me until someone else allows me to do ff in the same client. Although Tweetdeck has some great features, the future of client apps is clearly in supporting multiple networks, which only twhirl does, so it's no contest.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
If TweetDeck handled multiple accounts, I'd probably switch back. I like grouping folks so I'm not forced to unfollow those who leash bouts of Twitterrhea ;)
- webojunk
I switch between both depending on the mood of the day.. The one feature I am waiting on is the group feature in Twhirl.. then hard to judge..
- Bill Moore
from twhirl
I love Twhirl. This may seem weird, but tried TweetDeck and it seemed too masculine for my tastes.
- Julie Bovee Hill
Tweetdeck hands down
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
I still just use the web interface, or Cellity Tweeter or one of the WAP/mobile web-based clients, if I'm Twittering on my phone.
- Tyson Key
TweetDeck. No doubt.I love groups and searches for monitoring things. Especially once I wrote backup/restore scripts so I could move settings between machines.
- Scott Kingery
I rotate between Twhirl and the Firefox add-on, Friendbar.
- Doug
DestroyTwitter is a really nice program as well.. and fast...
- Jaap Willem
from twhirl
Twhirl does FriendFeed, laconica, and seesmic too. Support bit.ly + api for stats. winner hands down.
- Glenn Batuyong
Will have to try the new Twhirl, but if its anything like the old, then I will probably still prefer Tweetdeck's multi column interface
- Peter Efland
Until Tweetdeck supports multi account I won't even consider leaving Twhirl
- adolfo foronda
I just tried twhirl again and shut it off immediately and went back to tweetdeck. I like the groups in tweetdeck a lot. It allows me to follow a group more closely as it lowers the noise for that group.
- Shamir Katsu
Alert Thingy just made a new release too. TC wrote them up. From the post, "...AlertThingy has added support for six more services: Ping.fm, Basecamp, Huddle, TwitPic, TwitterSearch, and Yammer. That makes for a total of 13 services, which already included Digg, Facebook, Flickr, Jaiku, TinyURL, Tumblr, and Twitter."
- coldbrew
Here's the link: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- coldbrew
I use twhirl 4 multi-accounts and tweetdeck 4 main account. I also use 3 monitors running on the same computer & tweetdeck dedicated to one.
- Moses Kpetigo
I like twhirl because it supports identi.ca as well as FriendFeed. If TweetDeck supported FriendFeed, I'd make the switch. Oh, multiple accounts - Twhirl does that, TweetDeck is lacking
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
tweetdeck is broken for me right now... not sure why. Only displays @replies and searches; NO feed and no DMs (not complaining there!)
- Susan Beebe
I use both
- andy brudtkuhl
sounds like the stupidest war ever
- sean percival
They're both unfree. Don't use either of them. Use a free one. If there is no free one, then don't use one till there is.
- Gregg H.
Gregg: what do you mean? I haven't paid for either one.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed- both are free. Who is paying? I think twhirl is great for general use and multiple services (as you pointed out), Tweetdeck is good for those that really, really want (or need) to organize their stream. The interface is daunting however and I found Tweetdeck was slow to update. Now if you are talking iApps- Twitterfon FTW! I also love the "get more people to talk about it!" line- Scoble continues to tell it like it is.
- Alyx
from twhirl
Robert: Free, as in freedom. But, I suppose if you're using a completely user subjugating OS that has no respect for your freedom like Mac or Windows, then one more little freedom killing app like this won't matter anyway.
- Gregg H.
Tweetdeck it is for me ... sadly it just got borked and refused to work on my Ubuntu 8.10 desktop
- Murali
TweetDeck is my choice as well.
- Darrell Madore
falling in love with Alert Thingy... similar than Tweetdeck and more usable
- Luca Filigheddu
Now, if AlertThingy would work on my machine, I'd give that a try, but unfortunately, it doesn't populate the window with posts on my end. :(
- Alexander Kucera
I am still trying to figure out which one I like best, but for the most part I think twhirl is best for sending and TweekDeck is best for viewing.
- Chris Patterson
I use them both but mostly use Tweetdeck. It would be great to have better picture submission with Tweetdeck and a reduced memory footprint as I have to shut it down regularly as it becomes sluggish.
- Kirti Vashee
If you are having crashing problems with Google Latitude reset the maps in tools. That got it working for me.
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Super Bowl '09: Social Media Hits the Gridiron - http://redir.internet.com/rss...
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the goal is to get online communications to be as close to real-time as possible. streaming video's always been technologically possible, but legally not always available (certainly not for a commercial monstrosity like the Super Bowl). HTTP can't handle such rapid responsiveness, even with AJAX. Flash-based experience like ESPN's game tracker are great but there's still a disconnect....
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