I wanted to have triple-boot Windows, FreeBSD and Linux on my main portable some time ago. I gave up on that and just opted to have multiple machines. I wanted to have my netbook dual-boot Ubuntu and OS X, but gave up on that, as well. Have you played with OpenBSD?
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
not in a very long time except a for playing with BDSAnywhere - although I was very tempted with 4.5 and might just jump in when 4.6 comes out. To put all 3 on a machine does take a lot of planning, what with BSD's slices being so different (is OSX similar in that regard?). There's a good step by step somewhere, including allowing to store user files on a shared partition/slice, but...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I was mostly trying with BootMagic ages ago. I then moved to virtual machines, but I could never get X to work in a Linux or UNIX VM. I concluded I just suck and stuck with dedicated machines [now tempted to slap another 2.5GB of RAM in this desktop and try again].
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
I have virtualbox and quite a few work, x and all - the ones that don't I suspect 5 minutes reading the settings would fix it. Not enough ram on my machine to do anything but explore (or take screenshots to document install process etc.). Although if your main OS is a unix or linux, you can just run the other distribution in any generic VM and have the X server started, but not log on...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Are you sure you have enough OS on that machine?
- Richard A.
It's not all on one machine... SliTaz and Mint are on the mininote (although Mint will go, probably - put it on to get access to debian packages to test apps, but it is too monolithic for my taste) - FreeBSD is on the server. Vector and Sabayon (and windows) are on the gaming laptop, and Slackware (and windows) on the old Desktop PC.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I like simplicity, i.e. BSD, Slackware, SliTaz (I'd have a BSD based OS everywhere if it wasn't for drivers). But one challenge of simple, ground-up distros is figuring out what apps and tools to use - it can be a major pain since you dont know what will meet requirements and have to search, install, get frustrated, repeat.... and do it for windows managers, desktop tools, lots of app...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Drivers are a huge problem - anything that is closed and only offers binary drivers wont be available to BSD or Solaris- that's why I am so keen on open hardware and open source drivers - eg your Audigy. It's not BSD's fault, they are not given binary drivers, and not allowed to reverse-engineer-guess even a basic driver. Stuck! As for multiple OSes, I just treat them as totally...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I agree that this is annoying - I'm not sure why they all come with a good "grub detection" script - most "complete" ones I found were grubconfig (old, on freshmeat) and whatever they did on PCBSD. I have started recently to read up on all the different boot processes 1) because installing the windows 7 has put a boot loader layer somewhere that I cannot figure out how to remove,...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
As mentioned earlier today, Twitter seems to have capped your ability to follow at 2,000 people, which just so happens to be exactly where I am. The goal, in theory, is to stop marketing-oriented spammers, but it could be another way to reduce stress on the system. So what should I do now, delete "less favored" people, or wait for Twitter to figure this out?
- Louis Gray
from email
Maybe it's the legacy talking, but I'm really not bothered by this. :P
- l0ckergn0me
I can see why they do it, but it does suck for the people who do it legitimately and are not using stupid mass follow scripts.
- David Risley
I'm not super-concerned either, but it does answer why all of a sudden, I started getting these errors last week. It could be part of their "Making Progress On Spam" initiative via the blog, but it hasn't been spelled out all that clearly.
- Louis Gray
let blame this one on Scobles... :)-
- Peter Dawson
Louis, I think cap is more of the architecture the system. Making it into a more robust platform. Now watermarks have been set, it becomes easier to build consistency of experience and application behavior. <Edit > wait for Twitter to figure it out.. Marketing spammers are targeting the 'stupid' one that have the auto follow !!
- Peter Dawson
gotta like it, if I'm the one you are trying to follow!
- Ben Hedrington
I don't think there should be limits like this, but I guess everything can't be infinite
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I honestly am indifferent about it; Twitter is going to hell and i tried my best to convert it; oh well, Hell has cookies
- Gordon Swaby
I"m only following 49... with 106 followers..
- Ian May
so what do you think, Louis, is benhedrington worth going to the mat for?
- Nathan Rein
I'm sure I can find someone to unfollow in exchange for Ben.
- Louis Gray
Twitter needs to build in groups functionality a la tweetdeck for following 2K+ to even be practical.
- Nicholas Molnar
Louis: You need to convince the new people to head over here :)
- Justin Korn
I'm just curious what the rationale is for following that many people.
- Paul Rodriguez
Well, maybe that's why Louis always seems to know what's going on before anybody else.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I've noticed that most of the time I get followed by somebody with a big number, it tends to be marketing play. It triggers the email to you and then you go look and click on their bio link which takes you to the pitch. Very irritating. I always block em.
- Mark Schulz
@Paul Rodriguez, I was wondering that too. I wouldn't have even guessed there are 2000 interesting people in the world </cynicism>, but what fascinate me is that i'm following like 83 people and only about 14 of them tweet regularly. I can assume most of those 2000 do not tweet regularly. Add in the fact that I'm a WAHM to two toddlers, and do other stuff, there'd be a lot of stuff I'd miss.
- Anika
New profit center? Sorry, but now you'll have to join Twitter Pro ....
- Charlie Anzman
Very interesting. System limits is going to be a topic that we all work through in this early phase of the Social Web. It seems to me that it's reasonable to cap the number one follows to 1,000 or 2,000. On the flipside, one would clearly like to enable a very high number of followers. With respect to bi-directional connections, the real number should max at 1,000 to 2,000...
- John McCrea
This is awesome! Incidentally, Scoble (@Scobleizer) is still following over 30K.
- Vincent van Wylick
So where is the point following 30k people? You might as well hit the main timeline. The only thing that is bad about this limit is that it was not there from the beginning.
- Alexander Kohlhofer
so what's going to happen to those who follow over 2000?
- Wayne Sutton
you follow two. thousand. people.??? never mind twitter; there may be a law against that.
- jeneane sessum
I like the new limit. I cannot see how anyone would be able to legitimately follow (and pay attention to) more than 2,000 people. Frankly, even that limit seems higher than it needs to be. If it helps keep Twitter a little more stable, go for it.
- Dennis Metzcher
Couple thoughts: the limit impacts the ability to use the service as a direct message router -- for some people. It also reinforces the need for dectralized microblogging -- so if you want exceed the limits you can do so on your own infrastructure. Lastly, nothing prevents you from following everyone or a subset of people through RSS/feeds.
- Chris Messina
Are we sure that Twitter has set a 2,000 limit are or we cranking up the rumor mill? I've seen image before with respect to my own account - an account which just reached 1,000 followers today. According the Twitter rep who contacted me, I got - ahem - put in "Twitter Prison" for "Aggressive Following" My ratio of Followers to Following was kinda out of whack - at that time I had only ~800 people following me while I was following ~2,800 - They suspended my ability to follow more people. I removed 2K.
- Vincent Wright
I don't understand the motivation for following 2K people if you're not a spammer... someone explain?
- Jason Carreira
Jason: For a entrepreneur/VC/angel networker, it would be very easy to hit 2,000 contacts (assuming you used Twitter like a rolodex). From one networking meeting, I might pick up 0-100+ business cards (more at conferences), and during a heavy season I could be doing 7-10 meetings/week. As a angel, I might want to follow 5,000-10,000+ projects/people. Anyone might have a really good project 2-10+ years down the pipe... I've got cartons/boxes of 3-ring binders of business cards in plastic sheets.
- Mitchell Tsai
@Mitchell @Charlie - Rumors aside, do you think the cap is a gesture towards monetization? Going after the power networkers? Seems you would have good cause to pay for a Twitter Pro, or would it just not be worth it?
- joneilortiz
I use Twitter as both a professional development tool (following people who say useful and interesting things abt health / edtech / social media / libraries ...), a personal tool (friends and folk who are amusing), and a reference tool (following a lot of news streams and information resources). You can hit 2000 fast. A friend says that people are imagining new ways in which Twitter could be used, but Twitter seems bound and determined to force them back into some small box of how it "ought" to be.
- Patricia F. Anderson
I would happily follow more than 2000 people, heck I am almost there. And I don't need to see every message. With Tweetdeck it's manageable. I see some Friendfeed users here have thousands to tens of thousands of subscriptions, should we also say it's good to have a cap here? No, please no. I understand that perhaps it has to do with monetization or stressing the system less, these are alas viable reasons.
- Jacob
right on man!!! just spent all weekend devoid of pc/bb/social sites etc with all my time spent on/with wife and our two kids (8 1/2 yr old son and 5 1/2 yr old daughter). BEST WEEKEND ever!!! Most incredible ride you'll ever take bro Congrats!!!!!!!!!!
- Ted Bradford II
Congratulations to you and yours! Happy news :)
- Andy Bold
Babies are just the coolest thing ever. One of my favorite things is that when they start talking, they love to point and say "BABY!" whenever they see anyone even a smidgen smaller than they are. Love that.
- Kathy Fitch
Sheryl will want to squish a baby Scoble next time we're down your way. hehehe
- Ken Camp
Congrats to you and your family! Wishing you the best.
- Larry Roth
Congratulations Robert - you must be proud!
- Jesse Stay
Three boys in this house. It's fantastical! Congratulations again, Robert. Even though it would mean one more web login, I'm holding out hope you'll utilize my social site for baby birth prognostication http://bebepool.com - we could all participate, it would be fun :)
- Micah Wittman
On second thought, it might bring the server down :O
- Micah Wittman
Congratulations to everyone involved. :) We were told that our second child was going to be a girl, the hospital staff were certain. You know what is coming — yep, it was a boy. It was the biggest shock of the night. The second biggest shock (a few moments earlier) was me having to deliver him at home with instructions over the phone from the emergency services. Good luck! :)
- Chris Marshall
Very good advice, Thomas. A comment on no. 6 ("Groups"): I remember Flickr staff mentioning that not only photos that are in too many groups (more than 10-15, as a rule of thumb) get penalties for their Explore rating. Allegedly, this is also true for photos that are in the *wrong* groups, specifically the ubiquitous "post 1, comment x" groups. So not all photo critique groups might be good when you want to get your pictures into Explore.
- Ole Begemann
Ole, I hadn't heard that certain groups penalized photos but have seen Flickr staff in the past mention that posting your photo to too many groups will reduce it's visibility with their algorithm.
- Thomas Hawk
Re: no. 5 ("Explore"): more criteria that seem to influence whether a photo makes it to Explore: the presence of EXIF data, geotags, title, description has a positive influence; faves and comments from people who are not among your contacts seem to count more than from contacts; faves and comments from popular photographers count more than those from nobodys; a photo that gets 2 or 3 faves within minutes after uploading is more likely to make Explore than one that gets faved 15 times within 24 hours.
- Ole Begemann
Thomas, I'll try to find a reference for this.
- Ole Begemann
Good point on EXIF data Ole, yes, photos in Explore are required to have EXIF data. My own guess as to why this is is that if a photo has EXIF data it is more likely to be your own photo vs. something you simply ripped from the web. Not foolproof of course but I'd guess that this policy is in part due to a desire to increase the authenticity of the photos promoted on Explore.
- Thomas Hawk
If you look at the photos in Explore, the only "Leave a comment" groups that I see with any regularity are TWTME and 1-2-3 groups... what makes them special I'm not sure, other than they're amongst the largest groups in general. But you see very few of those award groups or "leave x comments" groups in the photos in Explore, so I suspect that Flickr must be penalizing them.
- Eric P
Thomas, that's a great refresher on the original article. Some great tips.
- Tom Quinn
And Thomas, throwing reciprocation in as a "bonus"? It should have been #1 or #2. The vast, vast, vast majority of comments and faves that I receive are from people whose stream I previously visited. The only real exception to that is when a photo is high in Explore, which results in a torrent of views/comments/faves from strangers.
- Eric P
Yep Eric. Reciprocation is very high. Bonus tip might not be the best place for it. It's very important. Faving back when people fave your work, commenting back. Adding people back as mutual contacts, etc. All encourage activity on your photostream.
- Thomas Hawk
Eric, participation groups don't penalize your photo from Explore best I can tell. This photo http://www.flickr.com/photos... from a few weeks ago was in the Deleteme Uncensored critique group and was #3 on Explore as well.
- Thomas Hawk
In fact just searching flickr for the save10 tag from the DMU critique group along with "explore" brings up a number of photos: http://www.flickr.com/search...
- Thomas Hawk
Good post, *IF* getting attention is important to you, as opposed to using it as a vehicle to just share photos with people
- Eric Rice
After I read your original article on Flickr popularity a while back, I began reciprocating every comment received. That worked very well.
- Tom Harrison
Eric, true. Some people have no interest in their photos receiving attention. I do think that the majority of people posting on Flickr though do appreciate when their photos receive some attention. Lots of people do not though. I have friends that only publish private photos that their friends can see and opt out of every public aspect of Flickr. I think these people though are the exception rather than the norm and think that Caterina's quote is pretty typical of the most active users on the site.
- Thomas Hawk
Alright, I found something. Flickr staff member acknowledged almost 2 years ago that "groups that force people to comment/fave on certain photos with no choice" do in fact hurt your Explore chances. Also, "weight of comments and favorites from contacts is quite low in interestingness calculation." (http://www.flickr.com/groups...). A very old post and the algorithm has changed since then but we can probably say that the gist of it is still true.
- Ole Begemann
interesting Ole. I hadn't seen that. I think it would be difficult for Flickr to manually track every group that encourages tags and comments as participation. Per the links above though, photos in DMU have definitely made it into Explore anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, I have no idea how they maintain a list of the "bad" groups. Further below, SilentObserver mentions his business is writing algorithms to filter them out automatically, though.
- Ole Begemann
Here is an example of tagging. I did not know this woman was a celebrity until after got this shot. It appears on the first page of the image search engines and it has received over 12,000 views. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
So far I got 3 (!) photos into explore. Their common factor? They all were faved by you (TH) soon after I posted theim.
- Guillaume Lemoine
Flickr used to say "who" faves your shots was a part of the Explore algorithm. It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm weights faves by different people from the Flickr community differently. For instance, Pro accounts where people actually have paid for the service might be weighted higher than non-Pro accounts. More active users might carry more weight with their faves then less active users. Just speculating on this part.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - I don't think that participation in all groups gets a penalty, just that there are some groups that are penalized as far as Explore is concerned. I simply don't see Explore photos in "Post 1, Comment X" groups - so either there's no explore-worthy photos in those groups (not likely IMHO), or Flickr is penalizing the photos in those groups.
- Eric P
As a note to certain groups penalizing your photos...I had a photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos...) that went to explore spot 150 or so. After, I added it to a few groups to see if I could bump it higher. It had the opposite affect and immediately dropped off. I can't say which group exactly did it or if it was the number of groups I submitted to, but adding to groups definitely does come with some sort of penalty.
- Justin Korn
If you use FeedBurner, you can splice your Flickr photos into your blog feed. I have it splice my last two photos and I find those have at least 5x the number of views as the ones that aren't in my spliced feed.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Awesome post Thomas. I signed up for Flickr a couple of years ago, but only started using it more regularly after the purchase of a digital SLR camera - so this post is particularly relevant to me. I am still patiently waiting for that first comment/favourite on one of my photos to truly experience the emotions as described by Caterina Fake.
- Jeff Smith
Thanks for this post, Thomas. Great tips!
- Eric Johnson
Great article Thomas... I was also wondering about what my friend calls 'Shooting for the 75'. That is, a great majority of people only ever see a 75 x 75px thumbnail of your photo. When he processes, he always does a square crop to test how it looks in the frame. Would you like to see proportional thumbnails as an option?
- Johnny Worthington
I actually really like the square thumbnails. Heck I really like the square crop period. I think I'm cropping more and more of my photos 4x4 these days. Maybe it's just that I've always loved medium format photography so much, not sure why I'm so drawn to the square crop right now though. I much prefer Flickr's square thumbnails actually. Still would love to see larger sizes on FF like SmugMug's thumbnails.
- Thomas Hawk
you're right though. Frequently it's the thumbnail that draws people into a photo. A good looking thumbnail is more likely to be selected by viewers for clicking through to full size viewing, commenting, faving, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
One of my very first Flickr experiences was someone in a critique group cutting me down for a square crop. It was a rose in a perfect spiral petal pattern, could only be cropped square as far as I was concerned. LOL...I didn't change it either.
- Karoli
Haha, that's funny Karoli. so much of the criticism in critique groups on Flickr is so lame. You should have seen the deleteme critique group ravage a Henry Cartier Bresson photograph who is probably considered by most photo historians as the greatest photographer who ever lived. Read some of these comments on this photo for a laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I used to work to get photos into explore. I think I probably take better pictures now, but I don't have the time at the moment to put in the work. Lots of community building and commenting went into the mix. I confess, there's a real rush to hitting the front page. I had three in the top 10, and it was a lot of fun.
- Karoli
I have been doing a lot of panoramic shots over the past year and I have started to play around with vertical cropping. Taking a portrait photo and cropping a really tight vertical crop: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It's all about how the picture looks to you in the end. Square, circle or hexagon, it's about the sensory reaction :) (and now I'm going to square crop for this week just to try it out, thanks guys)
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas, those comments are a hoot! I met some nice people in some of the critique groups, but it didn't take me long to know the critiques weren't helping. I do love Flickr's community...even if I haven't spent a lot of time in it lately.
- Karoli
yeah, the attention from Explore can be fun. But I'm pretty unimpressed with a lot of the photos there. I think Flickr could do a much better job with that algorithm. I do find filtering explore just by my contacts though produces more consistently interesting photographs for me. I use this script to do just that: http://www.drewmyersphoto.net/flickr_...
- Thomas Hawk
Agree on the photo quality on Explore. Seems like a lot of the same sort of gimmicky stuff lands there. Looking forward to trying the script.
- Karoli
Thanks for the article, that opened my eyes up a lot
- Alex Carpenter
Hey Karoli, here's you and your daughter by the way. I uploaded this to Zooomr a while back when I was taking a break from Flickr but uploaded it tonight on Flickr. Great fun on that photowalk. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
Hey, cool! Thanks for the pointer. It was a great photowalk, would love to do another sometime soon!
- Karoli
Here is one more way to get attention: Comment on this post with a link to one of your photos. I received a hit today from the comment about. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
Typing from it now, Zee. It's a very basic demo as they warn, but very quick and light. Perfect for when you need to check something but don't want to launch chunky Firefox or others.
- Matt Harwood
There are people who don't keep a browser open at all times? Wow.
- cecily
Interesting, I hope that some of their ideas could improve other browsers. I wonder if they do things in open source way or hide behind closed source (might be that WebKit license requires publishing of modifications; or am I wrong with that?).
- Daniel Schildt
Cecily - I would (and usually do) but Firefox, Safari, Webkit, Opera... all creep up to huge memory usage and need to be closed. It frustrates me to the hilt!
- Matt Harwood
Any Mac OS X users willing to share the user agent string?
- Jake (aka Jawee)
OSX FF3: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070206 Firefox/3.0.1
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Safari: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_5; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.20.1
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
@Capn Longman: I meant the user agent string of Stainless. :)
- Jake (aka Jawee)
From Information Aesthetics: "In an approach similar to the very popular WorldMapper method, Show World adds the novel factor of animation. The online maps illustrate various census and world statistics from various non-governmental organizations by morphing the size of countries accordingly. Instead of land mass, the size of each country represents the data for that subject, both its share of the total and absolute value."
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
This is going to sound odd... but I have FriendFeed real time open in a new mini-window to the side of my browser, and there isn't ENOUGH activity. Maybe a slow Friday... but it's not overwhelming at all.
Vinay, that might be it. But for now, I think I can consume more by going list by list and page by page. Also, your comment hasn't hit the realtime yet. I wonder if it misses things, or what the lag is.
- Louis Gray
Reading only the title, I really hope not. May all their products be even more rejected by the market than their Vista flop.
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
I would find it kinda awesome if Microsoft ditched Windows and created a Unix-like OS. Of course, that's unreasonable, but everything works in my fantasy world. :)
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
what's the point? Qwitter I could understand, but this?
- Rahul Das
i just used it now to see if a friend i knew was following someone else who just tried to add me
- Zee.
Thanks for the share. I find it interesting how social friendships change over time. Some remain subscribed yet others drop you when you talk off-topic.
- Czar
This is torture at 3:30 pm. And I don't usually like donuts.
- L.J. Leng
Arrgh! I wish this thread would quit showing up because it's been making me crave KrispyKreme for 2 days now!! I don't wan't to hide it either.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I'm so glad that KK is not what I crave when I crave doughnuts. :-) Er, sorry for bumping this, Lindsay...
- Lisa L. Seifert
Lindsay, are you in agreement that when it comes to doughnuts, different restaurants have different "best kinds"? With KK, it's their hot-off-the-oil-river plain glazed. With Dunkin' Donuts, it is their boston cream.
- Phil G
That is awesome. Adoption by one of the biggest websites should help Ubuntu be viable as a server platform. Still, how are Ubuntu servers better than Debian servers?
- Jake (aka Jawee)
Ubuntu and Debian share a lot of features but Ubuntu is more cutting edge. Both are easy to config and very stable. In the future I think the gap between Ubuntu and Debian will increase but for now they are similar.
- Andrei Savu