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Thank you to my 50,002 followers. Look through my followers here and compare to my Twitter followers and what do you notice? I see fewer spammers. Fewer bots. Fewer social media experts. Thanks for joining me on FriendFeed! It has been an awesome two years!
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FFFTW!
- Cjay
YAY!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Down with bots, spammers, and social media gurus! Up with geeks! A big thumbs up on behalf of my fellow FriendFeed fanatics.
- Dennis Jernberg
I love geeks and FriendFeed has them in droves.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
are u going somewhere ;p
- zʍıɔ
You're welcome ;-) A question though, where do you think we geeks will congregate next? I'm thinking that since Facebook now owns the Friendfeed devs, FF will eventually starve to death... hopefully not.
- Roberto Teixeira
But I notice a lot of users interact on FF via Twitter not directly on FF. Also FF faces tough competition from the likes of Posterous and Tumblr which offer more functionality with similar ease of use as FF.
- Roger
Roberto: Not so long ago this very FF post from scobleizer would get something about 300+ likes and 150+ comments. Sadly, FF users are surely looking elsewhere.
- Arvind
FF is ok, but its not the be all and end all Robert.
- Micky
Arvind: yup. Foursquare! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Friendfeed wins
- ashish
I too think that friendfeed is still a winner... people that left just filtered themselves out of my conversations. They are no longer discoverable here to me. Their loss (imho)
- Chris Heath
Your welcome :). Friendfeed really really is awesome
- alfred westerveld
Yes Robert and Friendfeed is massively technically superior - Makes it even sadder that the platform here's being ignored by the new owners.
- Jim Connolly
Still the best place for discovery to me despite less interaction.
- Eric Logan
2 years? Wow, nice work man!
- Loc
from iPhone
Robert - I love the community and friends here on FriendFeed. I am so happy I was on FF in early 2008 and got to experience it's wild and wooly growth path. Chatting with you and all these cool geeks is really fun. I've learned TONS from you guys and I truly appreciate the friendship too! :)
- Susan Beebe
I agree, way less marketing gurus and spammers =)
- Brodie Beta
Wewt! We are awesome, especially me </ego>
- Danny Minick
In my experience, I've been using ff more rather than less since the fb aquisition. I don't see why I would migrate to another community ATM. To me, Friendfeed is king. :) King of social media, that is.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Me, I'm sticking with FF for the foreseeable future. I'm even going to do my part to promote it, at least to my (right now) 1K+ Twitter followers.
- Dennis Jernberg
Friend Feed is the Future Robert and you just may be our Faithfull leader! :)
- PeaceMakersInc
Word.
- Gary
Thank you, Robert. I have learned quite a bit from you-and you have created/moderated some tremendous discussions/issues. Best wishes to you and your family.
- Harold Cabezas
LOL. I agree. I have 413 followers on Twitter. When I ask a question, I get no responses. Same here. Does nobody like me?
- Zachary TG
zachary check their subscriptions against their subscribers and you might have an answer there
- ffcode
yup! there is a decline...don't know what friendfeeders are upto...foursquare might not be the complete answer
- ffcode
I'm still here. I tried doing the Google Reader thing. While it's a great reader, I think it SUCKS as a social platform. I still use it, but I don't expect as much out of it as I used to. FriendFeed and posterous are what I like best for what I do. Facebook is getting a little chaotic for me. I've made lists, but I think I need to start pruning... LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED!
- Kimber Scott
U do like normal folks like us, who does have a life, like having hobbies such as movies, taking pictures, making jokes and listening 2 old radio jokes on the Internet lol...and wondering why spell check doesn't work somedays
- polou/indigo_bow
Has it really been 2 years? OMG that was fast.
- Elliott Ng
ROFL! No bots; just wait! The bots are coming, they always come.
- Brandon Smietana
In twenty years I would be surprised if the bots were not more human than the humans. "Statistical Natural Language Processing: When Humans Fail the Turing Test", coming to a research journal near you!
- Brandon Smietana
Gmail Feature Request: Send and Delete http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
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appsfire: Top 100 green apps according to @TreeHugger http://post.ly/8Lqj - http://twitter.com/appsfir...
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My day is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S.... (cc @vanessacamones @joannpeach @nicolejordan @chanslor @acoolong @stragiclee)
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Review: The New iPhone 3.0 Software Is a Must-Have Upgrade | Cult of Mac - http://cultofmac.com/review-...
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No shit it's a must have upgrade. 2 years in and it's finally what it should have been at 1.0. I think the roll out of these upgraded features has been meticulously planned from day one. And I've been an iPhone owner from the start. Even now, with it's locked down OS and strict app store restrictions, iPhone is an extremely limited device compared to it's full hardware capabilities. But...
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- John Reynolds
So everyone wrote about US Gov, Twitter & Iran today but NyT did it best http://www.nytimes.com/2009... @brianstelter co-wrote. good job dude.
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I am 100 percent a non-smoker now. And knock wood and praise Murphy my heart is doing well. :-)
Bill Kinney, Bill Romanos, randulo and 110 other people liked this
Haven't you been a non-smoker for quite a while?
- Internet's Tad
Rock on Dave!
- Leo Laporte
Congrats to your journey to clean lungs
- Tony
Congrats!!!! That's fabulous news!! Good for you, that's a tough habit to overcome! Rock on Dave!
- Susan Beebe
Cool!!!
- BeeLing
Congrats, Dave.
- Ken Kennedy
From another ex smoker, congrats.
- Mike Lewis
Congrats. Gave up 22 years ago. It isn't easy, but it is worth it.
- David Wright
from twhirl
I quit in September :) Yay
- martha
Congratulations from a Pulmonologist....we can stop yelling at you now...
- Carey Lumeng
Congrats, I quit 4 years ago and never looked back. Good job.
- Scott
congrats Dave, you're an inspiration for many
- Jemima Jordan
tad, 7 years
- Dave Winer
well done. I quit 10 years ago, best thing i ever did, worth persevering at.
- Ken Power
congrats, I quit one and half year and counting, stay strong.
- dan
congratulations, my mother died at 42, she was a smoker, thats my next birthday. I've never smoked, never understood why anyone did. And my mom's death showed me that it was not a good idea to even start.
- Bryan Whitehouse
Congrats on seven years of good living! I remember that time when I thought the worst might happen. It's also amazing that seven years have gone by. Keep on kicking!
- Robert Scoble
Congrats Dave.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I quit for 3 years, then in 2006, I spent 6 months in Tokyo. Argh.... need to quit again.
- Christopher A Carr
Congrats! I gave up ten years ago. By far the best thing I have done for my health and wellnes
- Marcello Del Bono
A very wise decision...I could only imagine how difficult it was to give up cigarettes.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I recently restarted smoking after I got layed off. I think perhaps it's time to quit again. What did you use to help, Dave?
- Scott Ohlemacher
Like Scott, I am also a 100% former quitter. The patch just isn't doing enough for me. Your words of advice and/or encouragement would be appreciated...
- Victor Kamutzki
Scott: Dave's doctor told him "quit or die." That was about all the help Dave needed.
- Robert Scoble
congrats! I quit almost 4 years ago.....
- Gordon Corte
Been reformed for three years now. It's still hard, but definitely worth it. Good luck staying smoke free.
- David Imielski
Scoble is right. According to the guy who fixed my heart, I would now be dead for four years if I hadn't quit. The moment he told me the story is the moment I became a non-smoker. http://archive.scripting.com/2004...
- Dave Winer
Dave: I'm glad you quit. Here's to another seven great more years!
- Robert Scoble
Dave: Congrats .. that's one of the hardest things in life to do...
- Bastard Operator From FF
Nicely done, get your teeth cleaned as a reward and they will feel great for a long time.
- Greg Birch
А ингаляция медицинская, хорошая полезная альтернатива курению, и процесс похожий, кто решил бросить - очень рекомендую, я правда себе позволить её не могу, бросил так, но с удоволсьствием бы чем-нить полезным затянулся бы, Гы... бы-Гы - гыыыы...
- otverta
Didn't know it takes 7 yrs to be 100% non-smoker. .. Year #5. "never take another puff". Congratulations.
- The Comic Project
Dave, well done! Proud of you.
- Melanie Reed
Dave, your Madtown pals are proud of you. You are leading by example, again, as usual. Congrats and cheers.
- Dave Martin
I forget what Leo was quoting, but he said it take 10,000 hours to truely master something, so obviously Mr. Winer has been practicing not-smoking for 10,000 hours
- Matthew DeVries
Congratulations!
- godisprofitable
Good for you! Just remember that non-smokers don't smell like ashtray.
- Marco Brandao
You are now huggable!
- Head Ov Metal
congrats!
- sean percival
Good Work!
- Adam Martin
Workin' on it and getting there
- Charlie Anzman
YEAY! Congrats!
- Shevonne
Congrats Dave! You da man!
- imabonehead
Many congratulations Dave!
- jcunwired
Congrats Dave. I'm at 200 days today! Still get the cravings occasionally, but they pass pretty quickly.
- Guy Martin
The New York Times takes a look at Twitter's preferred user list http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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I think this is the single worst thing that Twitter did against its community. But, Twitter has learned it can beat its users up with a variety of tools and we'll never leave. For two years the service was down all the time (famous fail whale making its rounds) and now search is often down, they treat developers inconsistently or poorly at worst, and they decide who will be superstars...
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- Robert Scoble
Funny, on both friendfeed and Facebook I have more followers than TechCrunch does (well, I did until Arrington deleted his account here on friendfeed). By artificially giving TechCrunch hundreds of thousands of followers they have given TechCrunch a very real financial reward. Same to NYT.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, good to see that you still feel this way after your meetup with @ev. :-)
- Dave Winer
Dave: I got the consolation prize: a shot of Scotch whisky . ;-)
- Robert Scoble
And you get to keep our respect.
- Dave Winer
Dave: I thought it would only be A listers or media types who care about this issue, since we know that 1,000 people can generate a LOT of money. Look at the Demo Conference, for instance. About 1,500 people are in the audience and they each pay $1,500 to be there (or more). Then there's up to 60 companies on stage and they each pay $18,000 to talk to that audience. It's a great model. Arrington has already been gifted half a million followers by Twitter. That's HUGE economic value. But...
- Robert Scoble
I am blocked from following @TechCrunch :O
- Tom Warren
At the recent Twitter conference you should have heard all the regular Twitter users griping about the recommended follower list. They hate it because they know they'll never get on it and even if they were added to it for some reason (some people do win the lottery) they will never catch up to people who've been on it since February, which makes them distrust the system. People are even calling followers you get the hard way "organic."
- Robert Scoble
It's completely off-brand, unless perhaps we all misunderstood the brand to begin with... and the idea that people who get themselves onto their own A list "organically", says it all --- the term is an apt definition: the opposite of "paid" in this emerging digital media platform. Makes you sorta hope FriendFeed kicks their commercial ass. That'll learn 'em to go all Hollywood on us.
- Thom Kennon
I sympathize with arguments against the SUL as being unfair (although I don't really see how an algorithmic approach would not have its own problems), but I don't agree that the economic value is huge. In fact, I'd like to see some honest reckoning of what the economic value might. The truth is, everybody is seeing incredibly lousy clickthrough rates from twitter users (Winer reported 0.5% I think from his) which means chump change from display ads and probably worse for things like your conference pricing.
- Jacob Harris
Two other things to note about the value of being on the SUL: 1) any value from link traffic/actions probably doesn't scale linearly 2) any value for link traffic should be assessed in terms of relative worth (eg, 600K followers might be a bigger deal to a site with no traffic vs. a site with lots). Ultimately, I find myself agreeing with @jeffjarvis that it's a much more meaningless metric to worry about, and that the impact of being on twitter at all pales compared to what the rest of the world is doing.
- Jacob Harris
At the very least, the SUL is distorting to the essential value of Twitter - and its implied brand identity. However, in fairness to ev@ and @biz, I don't think they understood what they were doing when they created the SUL: they thought they were helping new users who didn't know what to do on Twitter, and who were therefore leaving the service after a short period of experimentation.
- Jason Pontin
Robert Scoble: TechCrunch team is more powerful than yours.Sigh.
- Igor Poltavskiy
cmon now - the list has massive value - just look at erick's post today on tc - he barely mentions that he is on the default list - yet look at the traffic they are seeing - in fact, where is Yuvi - let him calculate what that traffic equates to in terms of cash - i bet it equals robin's salary for the year (or any other tc writer) im betting mashable sees even more traffic from the...
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- Allen Stern
"The Amount And Value Of Twitter Traffic" - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
"For TechCrunch, Twitter = Traffic (A Statistical Breakdown)" - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
(just adding a couple of footnotes)
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks for the links. Based on the last article, it seems like about 7% of traffic to TC comes from the Techcrunch account and some part of that is due to the SUL. But beyond that, we don't know, especially since TC claimed those new users have not been so useful. We also don't have actual numbers beyond the 120K _monthly_ hits from twitter reported in Feb. Let me try though, 120K * ~$23 CPM = $2760 a month (out of $200K total a month). Or am I totally wrong here?
- Jacob Harris
Addl. References: http://www.businessinsider.com/2008...
- Jacob Harris
Ref for the $200K total: http://www.mahalo.com/techcru...
- Jacob Harris
Jason, agreed that their intentions were benign. I am wondering what algorithms would work instead, if you wanted to keep the editorial judgment out of it and still wanted to give a user accounts to follow that aren't just finding their friends. Some pop to mind, but I wonder about spammers gaming them or other runaway effects that might occur. Interesting to contemplate.
- Jacob Harris
Jacob where do you get the $23/cpm? does that add up ALL of the ads on the page? does that include the fact that TC meta-auto-refreshes their page? etc - I think it's way more than that.
- Allen Stern
Jacob - as I've noted before the current list actually HURTS twitter - why not ask the new user for 2-3 interests and location and offer suggestions based on that? it's not perfect but as i said on the cupcake video, offering someone who is interested in food - mashable/tc/oprah/dooce/sai/shaq/justine is of no worth and probably pushes the user away quick.
- Allen Stern
Allen, you wouldn't even have to ask the user anything to quickly and algorithmically find 20 random users for them to follow. Just 20 random users would be fine -- a lot of the people on the SUL hardly ever update. And the clickthrough rate of a SUL member isn't all that different from my click-through rate. I've tested that too.
- Dave Winer
Allen, I assume that when you asked to be put on the list you were told no?
- Dave Winer
i actually looked at the list yesterday
- Allen Stern
Allen, the first link I posted is about the CPM (although negotiated should be lower). You're right there might be multi ads on a page, but I'm trying to get an actual estimate of worth here, so discussion is fine. I think randomized could lead to pointing to a bunch of dormant accounts or a "Twitter PROMOTES PORN!" snafu pretty quickly, which is why many internet sites manually edit frontpages (the "Mullet strategy"), etc.
- Jacob Harris
The Mullet Strategy: http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzz...
- Jacob Harris
Still thinking about TC reported in Feb. getting about 120K monthly hits from twitter. This is where I think any calculation of impact and arguments of favoritism would have to take into account the total traffic "wealth" of the recipient. 120K hits a month might be a lot for TC; it's not for the NYT. And so I don't think we can say the impact is the same for all recipients (something the article noted as well).
- Jacob Harris
My thoughts here are more societal. Why do we care so much about this list? If Twitter gets lists like Friendfeed has then they will be increasingly less relevant as the reecommendations get smarter.
- Steve Rubel
Robert, I've said this to you on more than one occasion: Folks like you don't need the list, you have many people who follow you to different services and echo your thoughts. Guys like me, who get ignored by the tech media even though we use new and innovative tech methods to help people? The Twitter SUL has helped me save lives (and no, it's not hyperbole here). I would NEVER have had...
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- Brandon Mendelson
Brandon, how did the SUL help you save lives? Are you on it?
- Dave Winer
Dave, yes I am (or was, I don't know if I still am at this point). The short version: I promote the early detection of cancer. The list gave me an opportunity to travel across America, sleep on the couch of folks following me on Twitter, and promote the early detection of cancer at colleges and cities across the country. Based on many emails from folks whom I met on my trip, I...
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- Brandon Mendelson
(and I realize it's hard to tell from just text, but my previous comment to Mr. Scoble is said with the utmost respect.)
- Brandon Mendelson
Thanks for letting me know, it's a good story.
- Dave Winer
I don't mind the intent of the Suggested User List. My gripe is the people who are on it--who create lots of noise. When people join Twitter, don't know what to do, and follow SUL accounts, it's no wonder either they 1) give up quickly; or 2) start emulating them in their own tweets. Or worse, people tweet so-called celebrities, hoping for a response, get disenchanted, and give up.
- Ari Herzog
Brandon: the idea that I only report on what my friends in the valley are doing is absolute bullshit. I'm happy you got on the list. But what I saw is that tons of people who compete with me, but had fewer followers, got put on the list. You're probably the only example of something good that was on the list. Even with you, though, I know TONS of people who are raising money and awareness for various causes. Why aren't THEY on the list?
- Robert Scoble
The list, like most lists, is simply a sham.
- Ken Camp
I'll say here the same thing I said on twitter. It's all smoke and mirrors. Twitter chose the so-called popular kids and should simply own it. They did exactly what happens for any movie star. They gave more to a select few, granted them extra followers and status. Who pays the price for that. People like me who work hard and actually truly engage with those in the network. What makes...
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- Sheryl
I think a lot of the Twitter list are people many don't really think are worth that kind of attention.
- Patricia
Robert, as I said in my DM, I should have clarified, that particular comment was not aimed at you (it was at what I felt was biased coverage, mostly from TechCrunch.) As far as other folks who do many good things not being on the list, I do not know, BUT I do make an effort to spotlight them and connect the people following me every opportunity that I can. I do apologize for not being clear on my previous comment.
- Brandon Mendelson
Also worth noting: I know exactly how those folks feel when they do not get the attention they deserve. We were very frustrated we couldn't get the tech media to even look at what we were doing for those battling cancer and helping the homeless.
- Brandon Mendelson
@Brandon, I'd have to say I agree on that. The ego generation or whatever this group/thing is called kind of suck in that sense. I care about causes, not people's money, connections, etc. A few years ago Fox wouldn't cover a charity event because they felt it was more important to cover Paris Hilton and her DUI stuff. Such a pity.
- Patricia
@Patricia it's sad but true, and in defense of the tech media, the mainstream media is far worse at covering causes unless there is a side benefit to them.
- Brandon Mendelson
@Brandon, I would disagree. I think they're both bad. I have worked in media biz almost my entire life - how long have you worked in it? Maybe you see something I don't? In my opinion, both blogs and media do it -- and don't do it. It's like anything else. There are the bad and good.
- Patricia
@Patricia. Eight years. We should take this to another thread though.
- Brandon Mendelson
They had to let new folks start *somewhere*. Is this *somewhere* the best? No. But it's better than nothing.
- drew olanoff
sorry disagree drew
- Allen Stern
@brandon, yes!! i'd love that kind of discussion with someone knowledgable on it as you are!
- Patricia
the list is setup to make sure that the celebs are happy, twitter looks huge and the fluffer blogs get paid. that's what i see as the net.
- Allen Stern
@Allen I suspected you would, and this is why the interwebs is great :) I've personally watched hundreds of new Twitter members try to figure out where to start. They get frustrated. Now does Mom and Pop regular Joe want to follow you and me, or do they want to follow Britney Spears and Shaq? Come on.
- drew olanoff
drew: you have a point there, but I think that when you make technology choices that you've gotta think through the consequences of your choices. Why didn't Twitter make a deal with an outside organization like AllTop? That would have been cleaner than doing it by a human inside their organization. It really messed with the reputation of Twitter as a dispassionate platform service.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Twitter can't tap an outside source for that type of thing. They have to remain an independent platform that allows people to build on top of them. Imagine if they picked/integrated Alltop for this, wow people like us would freak. Ya know when Digg is down and they have staff suggested links? Why aren't we complaining about why that isn't democratic?
- drew olanoff
I personally like "Staff picks" on iTunes, and could care less who the staff is. That's how I see this Twitter list. Only reason why people are freaking is because....well it works lol.
- drew olanoff
Drew - i have said all along (and will post about it tomorrow if i feel better) is that having a list is a great thing - but having the right list is crucial - and twitter doesn't have that.
- Allen Stern
what's odd about the list is that NOW it's dominated by celebs except for "Allison" she's been on the list since day 1..Who IS she & why is she on the list?
- David J. Garcia
from twhirl
100% agreed with your points Drew. And I'm happy Twitter did it internally, if it was farmed out to another valley company (just as an example) I feel it would again keep the web's spotlight on the same group of folks and not allow for new voices to get through.
- Brandon Mendelson
@David Allison is a musician. Don't know much else about her but I would qualify her as a celebrity as well.
- Brandon Mendelson
Allen: There is no right list. What's right to you will be super wrong to everyone else. Vice versa apparently.
- drew olanoff
Drew - what I would like to see is a list that matches people to interests and location - the example i keep using is that a new user who is interested in food getting the tc feed is worthless. And interestingly - the people on that list are apparently floating over to the default list here because of the twitter import option. that's a different topic tho :)
- Allen Stern
drew: the reason it sucks is because this list makes it very easy to subscribe to the whole list and totally screws with follower numbers. Twitter picks the stars. The rest of us are second class citizens. Far different from how, say, friendfeed's list works.
- Robert Scoble
drew: the way Twitter did this list is yet more evidence that Twitter takes the lazy road through its engineering decisions. There's a reason why we see so many fail whales. They don't design systems the best way, just the lazy way. The fact that you're defending the lazy way makes me wonder. It doesn't take much to do things an algorithmic way that isn't corruptible and that is a meritocracy, not a reward system for doing things the staff members like.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, It may be easy, but no one is forced to subscribe to anyone, they make the choice. And @Allen, I believe the Twitter folks have said in the news they would be changing the list soon to be more topical to a user
- Brandon Mendelson
brandon - when i did my cupcake series last week and met with a twitter employee, she said nothing of the like when i brought up my ideas - and robert - im not sure i completely agree with the "lazy" way- i think its more about what benefits twitter.
- Allen Stern
Brandon: you are the beneficiary of a HUGE gift. Your judgment on this topic is in question, sorry. Why YOU? Why not the thousands of other organizations and people who are doing great work? Why not all? And why not make it a meritocracy? Why defend a system where some people get picked to be royalty? That system sucks.
- Robert Scoble
Allen: every time I see Twitter employees speak about the list they are very uncomfortable. They know they took the lazy way through this.
- Robert Scoble
robert - aah... i wish that i had a chance to really interview them about it but all i got was 3 minutes - i had no appointment because i had no idea how to contact them since my customer service inquiries went unanswered
- Allen Stern
@Robert, my judgement shouldn't be in question (and as a reverse of what you said to me, if you've been following me long enough, you know I call things as I see it.) I like the list because it is beneficial to new people coming to Twitter. End of story. Is it perfect? Of course not but the Twitter team has said they will be changing it soon, so my attitude is they will fix it.
- Brandon Mendelson
Brandon: actually, most of the people on the list are NOT new people. Most of the people on the list are either large brands or celebrities. There are only a couple of exceptions, you're one of them. If there were more exceptions I might agree.
- Robert Scoble
As far as other organizations, I don't know. What I do know though is that because I was given the gift, I make every effort to help those who did not. I can't say the same to be true for the tech media outlets (not yourself or Louis gray as I enjoy both of your blogs) but the outlets I identified in this thread.
- Brandon Mendelson
@Robert, that is a very fair point.
- Brandon Mendelson
Robert: Re: Lazy engineering, now thats a discussion worth having. Lazy or not, it was definitely the quick and dirty approach...which isn't always the best approach.
- drew olanoff
I actually would argue that making qualititative assessments about which accounts to follow with quantitative algorithms is not necessarily as simple as one might think. Especially if you want to avoid scenarios where power accrues to the earliest adopters instead. Randomization adds an element of risk ("why is twitter promoting a neonazi account?"). So, it's lazy and opaque to us, but it's internally accountable at least for them, so I can understand why they did it this way.
- Jacob Harris
What I don't understand and what has irritated me from the get-go is how hostility to twitter over the SUL has crossed the line at times to attacks on people and orgs on the list, under the assumption that SUL membership is such a massively valued gift it can't but help corrupt the recipient. And that's when this goes from an academic discussion to open warfare. If you have a problem with twitter, I can respect that. But let's keep out of the dark conspiracy theories where everybody is on the take.
- Jacob Harris
Jacob: when people get things they did NOT earn that calls into question the whole system.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert no, it just leads to this cynical trip through the looking glass where the SUL is not a dumb application of a necessary evil but a sinister tool for control wielded by the dark hand of @ev. Something they did NOT earn? Come on. What did people you link to or podcast about do to earn that versus other? Much as we might not like it, it's twitter's call whom they decide to pick, but that is NOT the fault of people on the SUL.
- Jacob Harris
I don't really have a problem with the SUL, I really do think it will improve over time. What I do have a problem with is Twitter lack of ability to teach new users how to use the service. Suggesting people to follow is a great idea and a great place to start, but that's all it is. If Twitter wants new users to hang around they should really invest their time in educating them about the service. Show them how to @reply, DM, search, find new people to follow, etc. They really suck at that.
- Shawn Hickman
Jacob: cynical? Oprah got put on the list after only doing a few Tweets and only being on Twitter a week. How did the Twitter team know she would be a good Twitterer? Is she really better as a Twitterer than, say, you? Or Leo Laporte? Or anyone else who has put a lot more of their lives into Twitter? The problem is that Twitter wants to be a platform player, which requires building a...
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- Robert Scoble
And, Jacob, how do we know that there weren't some "backrubs" to get on the list? iJustine got on the list (for a while, at least). What did she do for Twitter? She brought them cupcakes. She had fewer followers than Leo, Guy, Jason, me. Yet she got on the list. How about Arrington? He didn't pimp friendfeed. He had fewer followers than Leo, Guy, Jason, and me. Yet he got on the list,...
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- Robert Scoble
Robert, simple. The SUL never meant user X was a better twitterer, it merely meant that twitter thinks he might be interesting to new users. And I'm sorry to say but people like you and me ARE less interesting to new users that Oprah. Yes, it's a flawed system and some cynicism towards twitter is probably due (what's this "you guys?"), but I object to corrosive paranoia where everyone on the SUL is considered ethically suspect by association.
- Jacob Harris
I don't resent those who got on the list, but I do have to wonder why I'm the only person in the top 10 _before_ the SUL who has never made the SUL. I can only think that Twitter has something against me and that kind of bias would be a problem, no? 125,000 thought it worth following me but not Twitter?
- Leo Laporte
Jacob: OK, but a cat made the list. Really? You really are defending this list?
- Robert Scoble
Leo: I had the most followers two years ago on Twitter and I've never been on the list as far as I know. There's someone at Twitter who doesn't like me for some reason, it might even have been a technical problem (I was one of the few who used @replies to see everyone who @replied me, which they say caused their systems lots of problems). But I also talk about friendfeed endlessly. I wouldn't put me on such a list either.
- Robert Scoble
I think they decided against you because you were too noisy. I think they decided against me because I was too critical.
- Leo Laporte
Leo: I think it was because of friendfeed. Funny that I'm #1 here on friendfeed and #1 over on facebook too. Too noisy? They put a freaking cat on the list. What's noisier than that? Geesh. I think it was something else. I pissed someone at Twitter off and that was that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, my attitude is twitter can pick whom they want and it doesn't affect how I feel about myself as a human being. You can decide whom you want to interview or blog about and it doesn't mean they're better or worse than I am. Google can tweak pagerank to boost or decrement sites and it's their perogative. I am not defending the list, but I think the discussion over it has been too tied up with assumptions of self-worth and too quick to condemn those who find themselves linked for some reason.
- Jacob Harris
I far prefer lists where they are meritocracies and where you can earn your way up the lists by doing great content and getting audiences to engage with you.
- Robert Scoble
Well, last I checked anybody can unfollow like that on twitter too. I guess the real question though is how many followers for SUL accounts are active users or abandons.
- Jacob Harris
Jacob: it has nothing to do with how I feel about myself. Getting on these lists affects my livelihood. Anyone on these lists has been gifted real economic value. I used to work at a magazine with 100,000 subscribers and we made millions in revenue every year.
- Robert Scoble
Jacob: TechCrunch just wrote about the traffic they are getting because they were put on the list. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... Getting on this list is very real economic value. It used to be that we got our audiences organically by earning them. Now we have to give someone at Twitter a backrub to get on the list to earn our audiences.
- Robert Scoble
It could very well be that we both pissed someone off at Twitter. Oh well. Friendfeed is much more interesting anyway. I think we'll both be around a lot longer than either.
- Leo Laporte
Leo: friendfeed is interesting. They don't take engineering shortcuts and I like that about them a lot. Twitter will be around for a long time too, though. In Virginia every radio and TV station was yammering on about Twitter and CNN is giving Twitter lots of free PR even today.
- Robert Scoble
There is a huge difference between 100K active and paying subscribers and 600K possibly checked-out twitter followers (the clickthroughs are horrible). I actually have to go to bed, so you can get the last word on me, but you can scroll up to see my take on the TC numbers. I can see why the SUL might seem a bigger deal to a small startup though, but I think the actual worth is not there. Fair enough though, we should limit it to only celebrities and large media organizations who don't care.
- Jacob Harris
Robert: one last question though. You saw @ev last night. Did you ask him why you're not on the SUL or raise some of your concerns with him?
- Jacob Harris
Jacob: the problem is that Twitter is now a platform and other companies and sites use follower numbers to build lists like this. For instance, on WeFollow if you aren't on the suggested follower list you won't be at the top of most of these lists: http://wefollow.com/ (we follow uses follower numbers to determine order on their lists). I stayed away from talking too much about the SUL....
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- Robert Scoble
Another perspective. Back when Friendfeed had NO profiles, everyone was 'chatting' on a somewhat level playing field. While nobody knows everyone, I found I met some fascinating people because most didn't bother to go over to LinkedIn or Facebook. It was what you wrote that made the difference ... period ... and there were (are) some still-to-be-discovered fascinating, interesting and/or just funny people out there.
- Charlie Anzman
Scoble, the cat has more interesting tweets than you, please get over your jealousy.
- Phillip Stewart
Twitter's "Suggested User List" (SUL) = the quintessential High School popularity contest all over again... augh! Only this time, it's not controlled by the jock and the pretty blonde cheerleader, but some dudes at twitter HQ :-/ Personally, I think the SUL was designed for the primary purpose of getting twitter some notoriety to help make their application go mainstream.
- Susan Beebe
Robert, thanks. Cat allergies aside, it seems the real problem is the relative advantage given to your competitors. So, a principle that would've been good: that anybody who actually is dependent on follower counts for their livelihood should not have been on the SUL. Otherwise, it might tempt them into "backrubs". So, iJustine, individual reporters, small blogs likeTC, etc. should have fought each other fair and square. But Oprah, Sockington, etc. would've been okay. Of course, it's too late now...
- Jacob Harris
HOMEWORK IDEA #1: I'm too busy to do this, but it might be useful to take someone on the SUL (you can pick @aplusk if you want) and programmatically go through the followers. See how many post regularly vs. how many didn't post in the last week vs. how many didn't in the last month. Use that as an approx. of user engagement. Do the same for @scobleizer or @davewiner as a control.
- Jacob Harris
HOMEWORK IDEA #2: Ask Techcrunch the absolute monthly twitter numbers for last month and see if we can get closer to a real worth of being on the SUL for them. Yes, they probably won't share it, but it's good to ask.
- Jacob Harris
@Jacob Perhaps this might be helpful http://www.twitip.com/life-on...
- Brandon Mendelson
Here's a rough study of click-thru -- http://twdsc.us/107...
- Dave Winer
Brandon, you really think if I apply my poor little self I'll catch up to your 631,404 followers someday?
- Dave Winer
jacob -- state your position on the SUL and then let it rest.
- Dave Winer
@Dave, (look at #4) But yeah, I think it's possible. But, I'm always an optimist.
- Brandon Mendelson
Mmmm...I think Twitter shouldn't get complacent. There's always someone nipping at your heels. Look what happened to MySpace.
- debegray
Took a look at the newest list after reading this, and the only one I clicked on was Rania Al Abdullah - since she is doing such great things for women in the region. I feel sorry for the new people coming on Twitter having to choose from that list. I had to dig around for my first following list, but now have alot of interesting creative people from all over the world. Most of them had...
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- Kay Designer
Brendon, you also say we should be satisfied with our little following. Why don't you prove it and delete your account and start over. Be the big man you want the rest of us to be.
- Dave Winer
@Dave, tempting, but it would be disrespectful to those who have decided to follow me (for starters) and more importantly, remember my job is to get the people following me and out to their local shelters this Summer (as mentioned in the article) Since the tech media won't acknowledge anything that I do, it'd be silly to delete my only online channel.
- Brandon Mendelson
That said, I would be a liar if I told you I have not been tempted in the past to do this and I won't rule out doing so after this project has ended.
- Brandon Mendelson
In the meantime your lectures down to us little folk make you look like a (fill in the blank).
- Dave Winer
I don't think that is a far assesment to make. I did that post to be helpful and what I said there is no different than what I said when I had 1,000 folks following me. Also, I don't think I would count yourself or Mr. Scoble as little folk. If Robert, as an example, deleted his Twitter account, he would still be who he is and have many well deserved fans. Me on the other hand? *poof*
- Brandon Mendelson
Then I wouldn't be able to help anyone. And to be honest? That's why I'm on Twitter in the first place.
- Brandon Mendelson
Dave, my position is that while the SUL is stupid, it's twitter's site and they can do what they want with it. I don't feel like they owe me anything or presence on the SUL is a measure of value. My particular bugbear is the hypothesizing that twitter is using the SUL as a form of control over the tech press, especially since we now know there isn't that much intelligence to it. I also am skeptical of attaching arbitrary values to links, especially when used to support the paranoid control theory.
- Jacob Harris
For what it's worth, I think the new Replies behavior and blocking have been far worse to twitter actually, because it makes it much harder for me to see the conversation. But that's a different thread.
- Jacob Harris
Dave, thank you for the clickthrough notes. I was curious how active an audience the SUL followers are, given that they are new to twitter. That's why I thought it would be good to see their tweeting activity as a proxy for that.
- Jacob Harris
File under "shit I didn't know": Joss Whedon, Amy Sherman-Palladino, Chuck Lorre and Norm Macdonald all wrote episodes for "Roseanne"
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50 iPhone Apps for Web Designers & Developers - http://mac.appstorm.net/roundup...
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Using Social Media for the Greater Good - Caring.com and Alzheimer&8217;s Disease & Don&8217;t Eat the Shrimp - Josh Morgan&8217;s Take on PR, Social Media & Marketing - http://donteattheshrimp.com/2008...
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Caring.com (and the good behind it) covered by Josh Morgan. Join the cause...
- Scott Schroeder
Taught Miro to use the scanner. He's been working on a project for me for the past 2 hours.. (heee heee)
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I'm working on an SM Global Report about @thehomedepot tweeting help in hurricances. Got an anecdote for me?
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Using Technology To Market Yourself - http://geeks.pirillo.com/xn...
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Chrome is Not a Windows-Killer - http://mashable.com/2008...
Mark Dykeman, Joe Dawson, Rob Diana and 8 other people liked this
s/^.+\-Killer.*$//ig
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Microsoft may have proclaimed an era of cloud-computing, but its actions (which speak louder than words) do not echo that statement. There's way more marketing going towards its money-makers (Windows & Office), then there ever was for its webservices.
- Vincent van Wylick
Another mindnumblingly stupid flock of analysts at: http://www.betanews.com/article...
- Kari Silvennoinen
@kari, if I skimmed that article correctly, only the view-points of Microsoft-officials were recorded? I knew Betanews was Microsoft-focussed, but how biased is that.
- Vincent van Wylick
I didn't notice that, but all that stuff about cookies and Android was just odd. And "There are already Web sites which are tailored to Safari"? WTF?
- Kari Silvennoinen
This semester @kreeger will share his class notes using Evernote public notebooks (http://benkreeger.com/blog...). How will you use Evernote?
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My goodness, I thought this was about ME, http://www.twitter.com/kregger! =)
- Craig Eddy
Anyvite | The easiest way to invite people to events - http://anyvite.com/home
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I liked The Big Lebowski - http://www.blippr.com/movies...
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Cool, dude...
- Håkan Dahlström
YEEEEESSSSS!!!
- Anna Haro
only a like??? this needs a major love!!
- Morgan
The dude abides!
- Justin Korn
It's better with a White Russian. This is the best HD-DVD title I own; too bad it's not on Blu-ray.yet.
- Jeff
Rented it on a whim shortly after it came out and loved it soon after.
- Adam Helweh
Recently watched it and fell in love all over again with John Goodman.
- B. Hatin
over the line!!!!! this isn't nam smokey we have rules!
- Morgan
This aggression will not stand, man.
- JonathanJoseph
"Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature.
- Chester
I can get ya a toe. By noon. *With* nail polish. ... Fuckin' amateurs.
- DJ Lein
Making the decision tonight to swear off experts as credible sources for my start-up PitchEngine. What would @Scobleizer do?
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what do you mean by 'experts'?
- Christian Anderson
The self proclaimed kind
- Jason Kintzler
Experts are overrated. I always prefered customers. :-)
- Robert Scoble
at least customers are genuine with their intentions. They either like it, or they don't.
- Jason Kintzler
experts are great at telling you what can't be done. often not much more. care about product and customers. the experts will be there if you do the first two well.
- Christian Anderson
That's why you're an authentic 'expert', nicely stated.
- Jason Kintzler
there's no such thing as a credible source
- Jennifer Fader
+1 Jennifer
- Todd Hoff
I'm seeing that Twitter is limiting people to 2,000 followers. That sucks. I tried to get you all over to scalable FriendFeed.
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@Scobleizer did Twitter lop off a bunch of your followers or is the new limit for new users?
- Christian Anderson
another step backward. i guess open & federated microblogging will be the alternative... such as http://identi.ca (which runs http://laconi.ca/trac/)
- lohang
This proofs, that Twitter is not able to do a stable service. They know only few will pay. FAIL for the masses !
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Dude, you're like one of the few that gets to have more than 2000. I want to say I'm jealous, but I'm already over twitter.
- Pete Delucchi
Investors, save your money, before it's gone!
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
really? thought there's at less three ppl with over 50,000 followers, one of them being @barackobama
- Pajama Domain
from twhirl
@Ev says its not true. There's no limit to Twitter followers one can have
- Christian Anderson
I think Ev is going to say that limits do exist but there is not a hard limit at 2,000 - i.e. the limits are different for everyone based on various factors that they won't make public. That's their party line (for now) but there is a lot of evidence piling up that new users can't get past following 2,000.
- Mike Doeff
I wish everyone I follow on twitter will move to FF as well, will make everything so much easier.
- Amit Morson
And I don't follow new people on twitter, all my new follows are on FF only.
- Amit Morson
Yeah it is a stupid move. Can't they be a bit more inventive in preventing spammers
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
The limit is not on the followers you can have but on the number of people you can follow. Big difference I'd say.
- Alexander Kohlhofer
A lot of bad info making the rounds on this. They're not limiting followers. They're limiting *follows*... the number of people you can follow. That's a much more reasonable thing to do.
- Mark Jaquith
from twhirl
Yeah, I've gotten a ton of "followers" who follow 3k+ and are followed by around 100... I'm not adverse to limiting these types of people so that they will only follow me if they're actually interested in what I have to say.
- Frankie Warren
Aah, this is a nice exercise in seeing how quickly mis-information spreads. First it was that Twitter cuts the ones you follow, then the ones that follow you, and the whole time @EV denied the whole "meme." http://twitter.com/ev... Long live social media!
- Vincent van Wylick
The follow limit SUCKS. There's a group of us who are petitioning Twitter to get rid of the follow limit. Yes, and to clarify, they are limiting the number of people you can follow, not the number who follow you—it has to do with the ratio. If you get above 2000 people you're following, and it's even a few hundred more than are following you, they suddenly (without warning) put you on the follow limit. It's very frustrating and does not work well for those of us who have corporate clients on Twitter.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
it sucks but for only a minority of the twitter users or so...
- Ouriel Ohayon
This is a new follow limit, and seems somewhat arbitrarily enforced (see my previous comment). This is not smart for Twitter, either, as they are creating a climate of frustration, distrust and general unhappiness among loyal users who have professional reasons for needing to be able to add people, and we are in a position to recommend Twitter to our corporate clients—Twitter's business development says they want more corporate clients. How can we recommend Twitter to clients if THEY will be limited, too?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
this doesnt concern me much for the moment :) i wonder if all followers actually read and digest info or it is merely for stats.
- Hayk H.
Look guys, stop the groupthink-inspired panic. There is no limit. @Scobleiser, whom you're all responding to, is following & followed by 30K people.
- Vincent van Wylick
And the downfall of Twitter continues. The ride was good while it lasted. I guess this means that FF will replace it.
- Bob Blunk
conversation OVER. no limits http://gigaom.com/2008...
- Ouriel Ohayon
what's up with all the limitation everywhere? it doesn't matches to the web evolution!
- Orli Yakuel
This really limits community building. They should do a percentage rather than hardline the ceiling at 2K
- Mike Sansone
Do you guys even read the comments that other people are writing in this thread?
- Vincent van Wylick
99.999999% of everyone who will ever use twitter will have less than 50 followers. Let's be honest here - even if this limited existed (and there is good reason to think it does not) it woudln;t limit twitter for regular users one bit. As for FF... good tool but totally different value than Twitter. "Move to FF" is a odd statement to me... I cant do what I do on twitter on FF.
- Soulhuntre
I work for a large magazine printer. This isn't very encouraging but I agree.
- DivemasterDoug
from twhirl
The only thing I know of that FriendFeed doesn't do that Twitter can is SMS. Which I couldn't possibly care less about. Yet I can think of many things FF does better than Twitter without needing a bunch of 3rd party websites.
- Paul Reynolds
The 99% argument is flawed. It's the same with homeland security and surveillance. 99% should have nothing to hide.
- Benedikt Koehler
You convinced me!
- Shannon
@ouriel: This is even worse! No more than following 2000? Twitter is dead. Long live Friendfeed!
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Umm.... civil rights issues are INTENDED to favor the minority. Software services are developed for the majority of the users they serve. You do see how flawed that analogy of yours is, right?
- Soulhuntre
When FF is easily used via SMS, and supports the thrid party services and is easy to teach to the only semi-nerd folks who use twitter but woudl NOT sit down and use FF (SMS is good for that) then call me.
- Soulhuntre
Follower limit st'oo'pid.Despite early mover status,catchy name,deer in headlight fawning press,another reason to look at alts.
- JimmyJet
I thought Facebook was wrong only allowing 5,000 friends, now Twitter only allows 2,000 followers? What is this Web 2.0 world coming to?
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
@Biz on Twitter said you could have as many followers as you want.
- PC Easy
Robert, does that mean they will be limiting your followers?
- Nicholas James
No way, this is for new people, if they start a cull they will lose everyone!
- Joe Dawson
I see a pro twitter feature coming soon
- Wayne Sutton
Flickr tried this a while back and there was enormous backlash. They tried limiting your contacts to 5,000. They later rescinded the limit and changed it to you could have no more than 5,000 *non-reciprocal* contacts. Since most people don't add spammers back, this easily deals with the spammers while letting those with larger social networks still manage their larger pool of contacts. A smarter way to deal with the problem.
- Thomas Hawk
Twitter is limiting the number of people you can follow depending on a ratio of how many people you follow to how many follow you. Personally I have no issues with this flexible limit as it prevents idiots who run bots and follow 30K worth of people and only have 1,000 following them. This will keep the idiots at bay
- BCK
That will lead to lose followers, too. Now one have to decide who is important enough. Twitter sucks.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
yes - I have not been able to reciprocate any followers for a while and I am at 2000......so I wonder if my following limits will ever be lifted? very frustrating......anyone know if they will change this? There are people I would like to follow too to see their updates....
- Big Paw Designs
ReplyFeed.com: Social Media Conversation Management - http://www.replyfeed.com/
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"ReplyFeed is a free tool that will aggregate all of your replies from your various communities (blogs included) into one place. Now you can monitor replies, answer them and have them sent back to the community from whence they came in one convenient location."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
@Louis can you get me in?
- Aaron Myers
This is always a good sign: "Thank you fro your interest in private BETA." :-)
- Louis Gray
I haven't tried this site yet but had the same idea a few months back. If someone executes on this well, they'll have the summize equivalent plus plus plus
- Jason Goldberg
@repleyfeed , thank you for the invite, can't get in without code ..pls post code alongwith invite !!
- Peter Dawson
Louis - I'm still trying to get back to four others .... Help!!! (Signed up :)
- Charlie Anzman
I was just saying last week that I need this service, I was trying to a get friend to build it - guess I don't need to worry about that anymore :)
- Jennifer Van Grove
from twhirl
LOL @Louis_Gray! Just hope the code is lint-free, it sounds like a good idea!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
About damn time.
- l0ckergn0me
@Peter you got an invite e-mail? I just got subscribed to some mailing list.
- Aaron Myers
it looks too ugly to be true - i'll hold out.
- Zee.
seems like we have "Sunfish" on this one :)- check the address ..no more fail whale ?
- Peter Dawson
ping.fm incorporate this asap and u will rule all
- adolfo foronda
seems 'neat', but it feels like taking aspirin to get over a brain tumor. the problem needs some deeper work...
- Jeremy Toeman
If this goes any further we will need a new aggregation service that aggregates all the tools that aggregate all the web services that aggregate all the discussions into one place (I may have missed a few aggregation layers here and there).
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alex van elsas LOL you are right about that!
- Colide81 (James)
LOL yeah but that is the way of culture and even sorta like a ever growing forest.
- Colide81 (James)
Not sure if anyone from ReplyFeed is reading this but their blurb above says "from whence". Doesn't "whence" mean "from where/from what place", making the "from" redundant?
- Richard Crocker
i started writing a blog post this morning entitled something like " 5 new technologies that solve problems you didn't knew you had", but I never got around finishing that with all the comment fragmentation floating around ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alexander - You need Friendfeedfeed! http://friendfeedfeed.com/
- David Young
David LOL, the whole point is that I'm a normal human being that has no need whatsoever for aggregators that agregate ..... and so on. You do know someone out there is already building an aggregator that includes friendfeedfeed. Don't see the value, and I sure can't explain any of it to non-tech friends or family ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
RF reminds me more of "Republique Francaise" :)
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
RF= Radio Frequency :)
- Hayk H.
The Social Web Analytics eBook - http://www.socialwebanalytics.com/
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A huge e-book - 105 pages
- Beth Kanter
just huge? how will i read it? :) thanks for this delicious ebook Beth
- Mehmet Cihangir (mapo)
32 Ways to Make Someone Happy Today :) - http://zenhabits.net/2008...
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Really wanna say something crude about "1 Way to Make a Man Happy" but I won't....
- Internet's Tad
Bacon?
- Mona Nomura
That is a super cute picture!
- Her Lindsay-ness
Ok - maybe there's 2 ways.
- Internet's Tad
Mangos.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Mangoes and sticky rice makes me happy (my favorite Thai dessert).
- Her Lindsay-ness
Beer?
- Mona Nomura
Dammit Mona, you keep coming up with more ways. I think I just listened to a little too much Isaac Hayes earlier today...
- Internet's Tad
Seriously, number 1 (smile) is a good start to the list.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
And if you capture it in photos: http://flickr.com/groups...
- ·[▪_▪]·
Free fuel? LEGO ? Death Star? Giant robot?
- Mo Kargas
Ontario: Definitely agreed. Smiling and laughing = KEY!
- Mona Nomura
love the advertising effectiveness feedback mechanism on facebook. it's actually... - http://pownce.com/mjlambi...
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Reading: Is Google a Media Company? - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2008...
Jennifer Fader and ·[▪_▪]· liked this
the New York Times picked up on the "is google a content company" email I did last week. they didn't give me credit for the story, but they did quote me.
- Jason Calacanis
from Bookmarklet
I start my morning getting info from Friendfeed before anywhere else.
Tamar Weinberg, Dobromir Hadzhiev, Mohamed J and 44 other people liked this
I start to more and more do the same: 1. Friendfeed 2. Jaiku 3. GReader
- Niclas Strandh
from Alert Thingy
First I consult the oracle that is my coffee cup, and then FF and Reader,
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Google Reader for information. Then FriendFeed for information and discussion.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
is there a room for FriendFeed addicts? :) I belong there...
- Baard @ Pixum
You can add feeds using imaginary friends
- Jeremiah Owyang
I always start with FriendFeed, then Reader, and then, and only if I don't decide to blog, I'll glance at my email.
- Kevin Gamble
Start with email (need to deal with fires that occur overnight) then GReader then friendfeed.
- Jon Erickson
Coffee first before FriendFeed :D
- AJ Batac
I think we all do. :) FriendFeed before breakfast. :D
- Daynah
Ditto.. but I have a coke first
- Dave Peck
FF first.
- kamla bhatt
This last week being away from the PC has seen me use Facebook the most out of all the sites I frequent!
- Joe Dawson
Me too. A long way to go before a "More people get their news from FriendFeed than from any other source" tag though.
- Ben Wern
Same here.
- Mattb4rd
i start w/GR and then FF
- R. Ferguson
FF is my home page. i go FF, reader, and then a few MSM news sites.
- Morgan
I have a feeling that I'm not getting all the news because I'm relying on FriendFeed as the source.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I always start with DrudgeReport and then move to Huffington. Then I open FF.
- Internet's Tad
Email > Reader > FriendFeed > Social Median
- Louis Gray
I wake up at 2pm, so I don't have a morning. email > twitter > rss > FF
- Louie
Coffee<>Friendfeed<>Facebook<>News<>Then I get yelled at by my wife =0)
- Jonathan.Rivera
+1 louis. rinse and repeat
- Christian Anderson
Friendfeed has moved to the top of the list, even before my email
- Pascal
1. NetNewsWire, 2. Internal Wikis, 3. eMails, 4. elsewhere (friendfeed et al.)
- Gerrit Eicker
Morning:Techmeme,FriendFeed,Twitter
- Igor Poltavskiy
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