A copy of the Observer from 1989, predicting what London may look like in 2010. Is it retro to imagine the future would be like the 1980s?
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"I agree and felt the same way about it - if it was anyone else, I might have understood the shock of seeing public back channel for the first time - but danah is the face of social networking research and could have been on top of it. Speaking with the understanding that there is a back-channel (regardless if you can see it or not) should mentally prepare a person for any accessible criticism (and should stop any waffling/reading from slides/general bad presentation skills) Instead of looking for a way to control bad comments, train/learn people to understand that this is the future of public speaking, and getting involved is surely better than pretending that it doesn't exist/pushing measure to make it go away. Of course, this is from observations and I believe that I would struggle to speak well at this level, this early into my career - but I think it is worth keeping in mind as a personal check point for what would be considered a "good" or a "bad" talk - from the frame of..."
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Yes - I've tried to plan things in it (first working on series of lectures in Glasgow and second a xmas night out) - but we are never online at the same time - so it has now became a google document and skype conversations (as it would have been before) - the xmas night, we were all online and it crashed when more than 3 people tried to type. Impossible to see what we can do now.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Tried some widgets like vote and map - but again, nothing I couldn't do using EMAIL! Some are sticking with it - but me thinks it is in an attempt to find a purpose, not as a frequent use.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Still an alpha? It's the robots and the gadgets which will distinguish Wave from everything else, but my experience with those to date has been poor. Seen this? http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009...
- AJCann
Yes, I think I will check periodically but it is difficult to interact with it when it doesn't work on my phone (ironic?) - or at least something that nudges me when threads have been updated. Will need a massive pull to get it in my focus. Can see potential but not convinced by hype.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"Don't be daft, your comments are as valuable as any other. In fact, your observations are incredibly valuable in a world that seems to be moving on a seemingly break speed, leaving many behind - if this is even consider the best foot forward. The downside of over-examining is that will never feel truely included in conventional sense, not good at shouting louder to get opinion and agenda across, if I was, I wouldn't be doing what I am doing. Agree about getting to meet people f2f in existing community, more chance of working than most. I think that should be celebrated more than the tech. Much of this conversation, in fact, is probably better fleshed out in meat space, minus amplification at the beginning - funny that? Gone full circle!"
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"I think.. as an afterthought, perhaps worth thinking about the fact that unevents tend to be organised through twitter - which implies a certain of tech savviness of the attendee. I don't mind, like you, helping people online in return for coffee and tea - there is a degree of digital divide having 'hyperlocal' events which are populated by 'non-locals' who've found out about events on twitter. Nothing wrong with either context, it just should be billed as such - not something it isn't - inclusive, probably no winning formula so need not pretend. Was actually good to get the twittering types in a room without the web, shit - talk to each other without social enablers to hide behind. Need sustance before amplification surely?"
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"I agree with you - to an extent, as you are, like me, attuned to what is going on within the broader context (on the ball with the range of events across the UK and the information which is being passed around) Would ubiquitous broadband solve a vast array social problems, I doubt it, but it would cause a great deal of positive change around those who know about it, those who want to know about it and those who don't know they want to know about it yet. My issue with unevents (as opposed to just events) is first and foremost the lack of critical discussion - perhaps I'm in the wrong place, and have been accused of being too "academic" for particular group models (such as tuttle, ampleic amongst others) which is fine, because I am interested in giving such emerging technologies the critique they deserve in order to be taken seriously in a wider context (I don't disagree with people on purpose, I just don't see the merit in encouraging echo chambers) - however, by not feeling including..."
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"How is it for video? (I'm going to get a new point and click soon, but want HD video on it - better than a flip cam apparently!)"
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"Thanks Jo! :-) Trying to reign in my online activity to make it worthwhile and inclusive to research (especially now it is full time, need to make the distinction!)"
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
The LA84 Foundation, with the permission of the International Olympic Committee, has web-published the official reports of all Olympic Games and Olympic Winter Games held from 1896. View the full text of several Official Olympic Reports.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
The LA84 Foundation, with the permission of the International Olympic Committee, has web-published the official reports of all Olympic Games and Olympic Winter Games held from 1896. View the full text of several Official Olympic Reports.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Oh dear, will let jay jay know
- Jo Badge
from iPod
Ah ok. I will need to reload it then, will need to wait until I've got time (and on a computer!)
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
I just had a look at the video—looks like there’s some sort of encoding glitch at ~34:30. in Safari 4/QT X, it actually skips past it, but some things might well just abort instead :\
- Mo
3 to 4 Gig is a rather huge video upload. Would it be worth rendering it down a bit before reloading? Just thinking out loud...
- Graham Steel
it’s ¾GB, not 3–4GB — 736M Oct 14 20:30 cameronneylon.m4v
- Mo
I considered trying to livestream the talk via Qik, but as it's a Departmental seminar, too many permissions issues. We'll rely on the tweetstream instead - #uolneylon
- AJCann
Whose permissions? If you just do the talk with only me in frame is that ok?
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
I'd do it myself but I'll probably be doing web stuff as well so the connection would be dodgy
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
Cameron - remind me of setting up that network connection for you as soon as you arrive, and we will test it well beforehand in case there are issues.
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Probably need to check with the Department that no-one objects Mummi. Unusual case of speaker demanding live stream and hosts refusing. ROFLMAO.
- AJCann
Don't want to annoy people but perhaps it will help make the point of the talk clearer :-)
- Cameron Neylon
"I went into it. But there was no corn to harvest - and I couldn't get hair shade just right. I'm fickle. I'm trying to see what it does that can't be done using something else, need to have an experiment when you are free."
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"I went into it. But there was no corn to harvest - and I couldn't get hair shade just right. I'm fickle. I'm trying to see what it does that can't be done using something else, need to have an experiment when you are free."
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"I think I was about to grind to a halt with the current PhD - this situation works out for everyone (and I'm already planning projects with others, and it is only in the first week, rather sitting around on my own like I did most the time in Leicester, more to do with blending of research interests, rather than feeling like I'm dragging people into places they don't like.) Hopefully we'll get the chance to catch up at another BSMC (or something else in the area) :-)"
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"Thanks love - trying to switch my mindset from looking for stuff to do that relevant - to actually making the time to think. It's all very exciting and I'm glad I get to spend time in Scotland again! :-) x"
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"Thanks! Been bursting to tell everyone but I've had to be careful with how much I shared etc - especially when I didn't know if it would be this semester, or next. It's been a tentative 2 months (probably aiding my frustration at the rest of the research/social media world!) The knot in my stomach has gone so that's got to be a good thing!"
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"LOL - I know. I am crap at keeping things quiet when I'm offline - it's been really frustrating not being able to talk about it (or my work at that!), but now all loose ends are tied with Leicester, I can actually start getting going with stuff. Seems like madness this morning, but when we've got spare moment we can start to plot ways in order to take over the world. 5 year plan innit. ;-)"
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"I have no problem with Second Life. I have a problem reading about how much money is spent (wasted) on something that can only be introduced to PHD STUDENTS through the medium of physical supervision (i.e. someone needs to watch them on the computers while they use it incase they violate ITS rules and regulations) I think you should do a study of second life researchers in education. Stats on how many of them use it beyond the work place, how many teach (successfully) using it - and some interviews measuring the discourse of defense when talking about their magical wurld."
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
A forum for contributors and readers of the forthcoming book "The Mobile Audience" by Martin Rieser. It covers a history of wirefree art from gallery to public spaces. Mobile works based on locative technologies, wearables, wifi and 3G are examined from the viewpoint of audience.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"Hi Maxine - thanks for your comment. Correct, it is easy to criticise (especially online) but when you are at an event, tweeting under your own name, it should be just as easy to challenge - in the break, on the twitter fall (low barrier to entry and all that) - I doubt I can impress you, as I'm not in your field nor have the experience to challenge in that way(although was very interested in your panel about scientific dissemination - which I did write about briefly in the live blog) - this is something that I don't know much about, but from communicating with several science academics and librarians (and following Ben Goldacre's work) I have a developed an interest in the debate. I'm not qualified enough to really have much to say on that. Will keep following however, in particular anything about open access. Having put on my own social media topic seminar(http://usesandabuses.wordpress.comhttp://usesandabuses.pbworks.com) - I completely understand how hard and challenging it is to..."
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"Yeah exactly. If we talked about going to the pub with similar grandeur, we'd all be laughed at. It *can* be incredibly superficial (as a topic) when there isn't any substance to it. It's not hard to add some, just need to case study a tiny little bit of it and then we could actually compare it to other things. Having a bunch of "experts" sitting around on panels, all of which pretty much agreeing with each other, does not maketh a conference. I assume that most people there weren't present for a social media circle jerk (pardon my expression, but I can't think of anything else to describe Friday) People went to learn something new about the subject that has been dominating mass media for the last year or so. I doubt many got much from it - and I betcha that any one of the panel would have been far more interesting if they were asked to present something a little most substantial about their interests or backgrounds. There were too many people asking "how do we make money?" - well,..."
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"Yeah completely agree. I'm disheartened that I'm only 10 months into this and I've managed to become this cynical. I was expecting at least a year before I started wanting to scream during a conference! ;-)"
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"Thanks for your kind words. It's hard to be open about things like this when you have the Guardian saying the complete opposite (were we at the same event?) - I think you may like this post about the hashtag (http://bit.ly/325lsU) , and Brian Kelly's interesting observations about the lack of social activities pre and post event. Heard a lot of good things about Kara Swisher's discussion (I'm assuming because she didn't get wishy washy or fluffy with the details) - I wish I'd have seen it, but you'd have never got me in a session on corporate blogging from the first impressions (been there, done that - biggest problem, I feel, is trying to get your colleagues on board, and that's enough to put a plug in it) But then again, I didn't learn anything new from the sessions I did choose to go to, so I'd have probably been better off sticking a pin in the programme and picking something random! I'm glad I went - gives me an idea what to do differently. And it won't take much to try something..."
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
"Thanks for your kind words. It's hard to be open about things like this when you have the Guardian saying the complete opposite (were we at the same event?) - I think you may like this post about the hashtag (http://bit.ly/325lsU) , and Brian Kelly's interesting observations about the lack of social activities pre and post event. Heard a lot of good things about Kara Swisher's...
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- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
All over the place because I decided to go and get coffee instead of be on time for the keynote. Packed lecture theatre. First panel: From Weblogs to Twitter: blah de blah de blah. First thing speaker does is in the morning look at technorati - retro.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Were chatting Web 2.0 - again. OMG - let's innovate people. Describing the internet is getting dull.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Interesting point - speaker says that what he is interested in is what people is saying about them. Probably the infrastructure of web 2.0 just there.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Real time Twitter search -the hot app. There are difference between usefulness for business models and stuff. This search is apparently "different" from your mother and father's notion of search. Yeah. What's a Traditional search engine?
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
We're talking about age now. Eh! I'm like the youngest person here - so lets not assume it is just "young people" who are using it.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
People don't need to ask permission to say things anymore. A facilitating service to speak out - YET, we're returning to a traditional conference format in a traditional university- is this realistic?
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
There are few barriers to entry. Fine if you are already enabled. Yes, we are at an early stage.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Why do people assume that by being online and using things like twitter is going to cure world hunger and solve world peace?
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Yes, it is fascinating. But let's not believe the hype - remember the last bubble?
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Next speaker reckons that the audience haven't heard of twitter a year ago. The constant reinvention of the internet. Reminding the audience that it has always been social.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
It is transformative - but what is this telling us about the bigger picture?
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Blogging is less popular than SNS - this is a apparent divide - I'd say it was more a question of taste, preference and value.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
We're talking about couples meeting each other online -we're sponsored by match.com guys.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Yes- it is reshaping things. But let's not stop there. It's not interesting until it starts getting technically boring. This is boring. Move on and let's start using it to try out some real changes. Communities, government, information dissemination - not just name checking your pals.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Discussing AI and AI theory - the unreasonable theory of data. Scale of data and scale of people is moving it from "brain in a box" to collective activities. This is better.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Web science is fascinating. Why do we not anticipate things like "blogosphere" -because we dwell on things for far too long. Just do it.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Why are we mopping up retrospectively - why can't we predict what is to come? Reflects back to yesterday where innovation isn't about predicting the future..
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Started to tackle the twitter back channel. I'm a git. What's the point stating the twitter name when the back channel isn't on the screen?
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Nobody is connecting to each other and the twitter screen is conference notes only. Where is this amazing conversation?
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
People on twitter getting defensive because people clapped a bbc guy who's not on twitter. That might have been my fault. >;)
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Look - I tweet constantly, but I wouldn't fall out with my mam because she prefers facebook, or email - or the phone. Old tech doesn't go away. We are individuals first and foremost, don't push people away b/c they arent speaking the same language.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Apparently we have amazing amounts of online identities - in a matter of fact manner. No, we are one person, we may reflect off the people we communicate and reside with.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Look - the theories of social media are pointless if you can only connect the already enabled. (ala Oxford) The projection of one culture and force it on to the rest of us. A bit like giving laptops to Africa.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
news can't be verified on twitter apparently - what, even from the trad media news bots?
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Can get really boring talking about social media. No body really challenges the discussion - still very much "expert" to the "maggots" - the event doesn't reflect the discussion of the culture. Out of touch i think.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
But - I love coming to these things to make sure that I don't slip into the drone. And there are some interesting people - who feel the same way! Birds of a feather...
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Interesting point to make is that it is socially acceptable to play with phones and laptops - now I don't need to just take the views of the speaker/panel for granted. Multidimensional.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Right - Now for a session from a panel Ben Goldacre, Maxine Clarke, Felix Reed-Tsochas and Cameron Neylon on the public dessemination of science. I hope we get a good debate going.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Brief intro to open access journal and ways journals can innovate science development. still very one to many.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
I'm not a scientist, but I'm interested in how information is communicated successfully and accurately. There is a lot of dumbing down - the people who are neglecting it are marketers in social media. We need to give them interesting nerd capital. - BG
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Mainstream media avoid the primary sources - normally a press release.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Primary sources force you to be a bit more "sound" - when it comes to blogging, you can track back the sources to the original comments/observation. Unless it is the press releases in the first place.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
All in favour of more uses and ways for gathering and publishing accurate and disseminating information. Interactive blah blah blah.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Letting professionals speaking in their own way. Be it in journals, blogs or on radio 4. Best way to disseminate.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Interdisciplinary communication means different in academic circles - BG thinks blogs is a better way to to do this. I agree.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones
Laptop died - resorted to tweeting comments. Will add to this in the morning and blog about it in further depth.
- Jennifer Mackenzie Jones