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Igor Goldkind
Sliding paper between Ontology and ontologies: Ontology as the study of being as such dates back to ancient Greek philosophy, but the term itself was coined in the early 17th century.http://ontology.buffalo.edu/ The idea termed in this manner was further studied within academic circles of the Protestant Enlightenment.
In this tradition it was generally believed that ontology is supposed to make true statements about the conceptual structure of reality. A few decades ago computer science imported and since then further elaborated the idea of ‘ontology’ from philosophy. Here, however, the understanding of ontology as a collection of true statements has often been played down. - Igor Goldkind
We intend to discuss some significant aspects of the notion of ‘ontology’ in philosophy and computer science. Mainly we focus on the questions: To what extent are computer scientists and philosophers — who all claim to be working with ontology problems — in fact dealing with the same problems? To what extent may the two groups of researchers benefit from each other? It is argued that the well-known philosophical idea of ontological commitment should be generally accepted in computer science ontology." - Igor Goldkind
Now this could be an interesting dialogue, how do you think computer science 'ontology' accounts for the later Wittgenstein of the Philosophical Investigations? - Cliff Gerrish
I think part of the problem you're having in accepting a variation on the metaphysical use of ontology is that ontologies within a semantic context are only there to provide a loose (and dynamic) framework for attributing meta data. They are the rules of the realm so to speak, in which the markups and their relationships are structured. Computer scientists tend prefer fixed variables,... more... - Igor Goldkind
The difference is that *use* is the dynamic element. Does use change the framework, or is that a separate activity. - Cliff Gerrish
Use defines the frameworks. Your mistaken premise about semantic mark up is that it's static. - Igor Goldkind
Is it real time? - Cliff Gerrish
Do numbers exist in real time? This isn't about reporting, it's about structure. - Igor Goldkind
Everything exists in real time. - Cliff Gerrish
Then so do data structures. Semantic markup is real time - Igor Goldkind
Show me an example of realtime semantic markup (outside of social networks). - Cliff Gerrish
Tagging any wiki. - Igor Goldkind
So folksonomy is now a part of the "semantic" web? - Cliff Gerrish
Anytime you augment data with enhanced metadata you're adding meaning, semantically. - Igor Goldkind
That statement is so general as to mean practically nothing. - Cliff Gerrish
The whole intent behind the semantic initiative was to introduce new universal data models which would link the data on the web and that is precisely what is being accomplished. You take exception to some formats but accept others, that's your choice. If you don't want to call it semantic development, then don't but it doesn't detract from the fact that the original intention is now coming into fruition. - Igor Goldkind
Universal data models? And which models are those? And who are they universal for? - Cliff Gerrish
Universally used, which RDF and microformats are fast becoming. - Igor Goldkind
You actually the believe the statement that "RDF and Microformats are fast gaining universal acceptance and use." - Cliff Gerrish
Not sure about RDF, but microformats are getting very widespread adoption. Yahoo found >3 billion rel-tag's, a billion hCards and hundreds of millions of hCalendar events - Kevin Marks
it will be interesting to watch the continued adoption of microformats, rdfa and rdf. from an "ease of use" perspective, microformats wins, but there certainly are limitations. rdfa has support from w3c and seems to provide more a more complete solution for marking up more complex data sets. i still stand by microformats, but see advantages in rdfa. - Jay Myers
Do you think that they will have an equal adoption rate or that one may become more dominant than the others? - Cliff Gerrish
I don't see one dominating the other because they address different data demands. And yes, there is wider and wider adoption of both microformats and RDF; not just the links to examples I post here every week. - Igor Goldkind
It's not a revolution unless somebody loses. Clearly there will be winners and losers. - Cliff Gerrish
That's rather simplistic; the formats that "win" are the ones being used. So far that means both RDFa and micro formats. I don't know who's supposed to be losing here. - Igor Goldkind
Wouldn't that be everybody else? - Cliff Gerrish
Pete Barry
Getting plugged in and working at Modern Climate http://modernclimate.com
i think the real test of your agency will be what the name of it will be after wolfmotell and modern climate... - Jay Myers
Pete Barry
are you ready for the swedish military? - http://www.brandflakesforbreakfast.com/2009...
i failed miserably. - Jay Myers
Bryan Strawser
Our Guidelines | Best Buy Inc. - http://www.bestbuyinc.com/aggrega...
ibm has posted some guidelines as well: http://www.ibm.com/blogs... - Jay Myers
Mark Birbeck
Only just seen AB Meta (http://abmeta.org) How come nobody crit'd this, in same way they crit'd Google's #RDFa vocabularies? Mmm...
saw this a while back. their implementation seems fairly limiting. maintaining a set taxonomy of products would be a nightmare. - Jay Myers
Pete Barry
http://twitpic.com/55zb6 - Went to Portrait Studio with @wolflow and we had some fun.
http://twitpic.com/55zb6 - Went to Portrait Studio with @wolflow and we had some fun.
scary, pete. very scary. - Jay Myers
Pete Barry
Bummer that the Journal of Information Architecture is not available in RSS. http://jourbalofia.org
i didn't think you IAs liked anything text-based... - Jay Myers
Pete Barry
Going? Please let people know who you plan to see by commenting on this.
These are the talks I'm going to try to go to: Friendship is Dead at Hilton E My Boss Doesn't Get It: Championing Social Media to the Man at 12AB How to Rawk SXSW: The Basics at 18BCD Oooh, That's Clever! (Unnatural Experiments in Web Design) at A Social Engineering: Scam Your Way Into Anything or From Anybody at 18BCD The Mix at Six Hosted by Social Media Group at Six Lounge and The Tap Room AMODA Digital Showcase at The Mohawk Interactive Beyond the Screen: Branding in Four Dimensions at 8 Tips For Making Ideas Happen at 18BCD Change v2 at A Curating the Crowd-Sourced World at C Microformats: A Quiet Revolution at 10 Opening Remarks at A Feed Me: Bite Size Info for a Hungry Internet at B Gestural UI: iPhone Taught Us Flick and Pinch. What's Next? at Hilton B The Future Of Social Networks at A SXSW Clicks - Interactive at Day Stage Cafe - Austin Convention Center Building a Bridge with Barcodes - The QR Code Invasion at Hilton C SXSW Interactive Opening Happy Hour host - Pete Barry
please try and represent hproduct microformat for me when you go ;-) - Jay Myers
Still trying to lock down my schedule. Mostly looking at sessions on social media or branding + keynotes. How did you export your list out of mysxsw Peter? - Jennifer Kane
copy & paste Jen. Nothing fancy. - Pete Barry
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