Krugman? - Jim Norris

Krugman isn't a journalist. He's an academic they gave a column to. - Jay Rosen

He's definitely a mainstream pundit though. - Jim Norris

What I mean is: he wasn't raised in the culture of the press. - Jay Rosen

James Fallows? - Jim Norris

Fallows is one. Yes. And that is one reason he is my favorite journalist. - Jay Rosen

Ooh, what do I win? ;-) - Jim Norris

Brooke and Bob of "On The Media" - Dave Winer

I shall make no comment on Bob. Brooke is cool. - Jay Rosen

Me? Or am I not enough of a big name, or "mainstream" journalist? I work at a daily metro... - Dave Earley

Many people like this answer... @ JonHenke to @jayrosen_nyu Yeah, but who doesn't think they're more realistic than people with whom they disagree? Who would think they're less realist?... Yep, they love this answer. They think it a slam dunk. - Jay Rosen

@timschlueter to @jayrosen_nyu me. (does it really make sense to go back into the trenches and play "bloggers" vs "mainstream journalists"?) http://twitter.com/timschl... - Jay Rosen

I am not trying to re-ignIte "bloggers vs msm." I'm trying to ask a question sorta like this, why doesn't a liberal journalist or pundit say, when being critical of liberal bloggers: I am better informed than you? or I am a better liberal than you? or I am a truer democrat than you? or I am more in the New Deal tradition than you? Instead it is (almost always, but not always) "I am more realistic than you...?" - Jay Rosen

Does realistic == cynical? - Dave Winer

No: it means in my usage: "....I am closer to what is actually happening, or likely to unfold. You may have other virtues but my strength is my realism." - Jay Rosen

Switching from politics to tech: Has Kara Swisher ever taken any other stance toward tech bloggers? Think about it. This will have to be continued; I am off to sleep. G'night. - Jay Rosen

I thikn she's usually been right -- when I've seen her be condescending to tech "bloggers" they've deserved it. I put the term blogger in quotes because I don't know in what way the bloggers are bloggers and she's not. In tech the word is so abused as to be virtually meaningless. - Dave Winer

Moyers? - Andrew C from Android

Arianna Huffington? Or is she not mainstream -- or a journalist? - Anastasia Ashman

Who are the worst offenders? - Dave Winer

Roger Ebert. (in answer to Jay's question, not Dave's) - Michael Calore from iPhone

Could it not be that many journalists *are* more realistic? (That is, in the sense that Jay offers: "closer to what is actually happening or likely to unfold.") But it's an odd question from a professor of media studies. Because, of course, journalists *wish* to be more realistic. They wish, in so far as possible, to capture that elusive first draft of history. They truly do want to be objective (which Jay has derided as "the view from nowhere.") Thus, realism is their virtue. I cannot imagine a working journalist taking pride in being a purer and more committed liberal than a blogger he was criticizing. Indeed, that strikes me as... well, unrealistic, if not faintly Marxist. - Jason Pontin

It's not realism or objectivity, it's detachment. They think of themselves as "historians of the present', but they are only 'chronologists of the present' - a true historian would actually know something about subject matter and state who is right and who is wrong and who is just lying. Just scribbling down HeSaidSheSaid is not writing down history, it is ignorant and irresponsible. Last time a conservative said something with the Truth-value greater than zero was about 30 years ago. Reporting what a conservative said without pointing out it's a lie, or laughing at it, is a lie itself. - Bora Zivkovic

"I'm objective, you're political." - Jay Rosen