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Jay Rosen
Andrew Keen: Why give unwired people broadband access "when millions of them will be unemployed, disorientated and angry?" http://www.guardian.co.uk/technol...
If we attend to basic human needs first, then we won't have to worry about the empowerment of unemployed millions and their susceptibility to the persuasive powers of would-be demagogues, or the organizing potential of the internet. http://www.politicalbase.com/profile... - Vince Williams from twhirl
There are two phases of this. First they get online and find conformation of the idiotic or crackpot theories they already believe, but then slowly they get exposed to the larger community, and reality slowly seeps in. Things get worse before they get better, but they do get better. I hope. - Mr. Gunn
The problem is that it's too difficult to take Keen seriously. I have to get past that part - Deepak Singh
No, it's that we have to take The Guardian seriously, and they are the ones who quoted Keen to meet their "gotta have a skeptic" needs. So what they are really doing is putting their needs for the appearance of innocence ahead of the readers' need not listen to trolls, opportunists, charlatans and the like. - Jay Rosen
Andrew "Cult of the Amateur" Keen really is the poster child of the charlatan group he supposedly rallies against and the fact that the Guardian would cite him is proof that the 'professional' media is increasingly off track. - David HC Soul
Jay, thankfully they chose Keen. Most people familiar with him--or familiar enough to find his bio on Wikipedia--know he's a crackpot. If this is all the criticism Guardian could scare up, I think it's a sound proposal. Or, Guardian is just showing us how lazily they report. - Zac Echola
The Guardian's Bobbie Johnson on Twitter: "Watching people pick apart Andrew Keen after I republished the basics of his latest odd polemic in my Obama CTO article." http://is.gd/evDz - Jay Rosen
Well Bobbie, perhaps you're having trouble getting the message: almost everyone is roasting you at the same time; some implied others direct, but roasting you. - David HC Soul
Bobbie Johnson replied on Twitter as follows: "I've no need to show scepticism, but bad arguments deserve context just as much as good ideas do (perhaps even more so)." and "Keen still gets read, even if not by us. There's a fine line between disengaging and letting wrongness propagate." http://is.gd/ezcI and http://is.gd/ezcG - Jay Rosen
Link in Guardian article related to quote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a... - Richard Walker
I don't care about AK and I am quite aware of troll logic. I do care about what The Guardian thinks its doing by quoting an anti-democratic voice in an article about extending the benefits of the Internet to poor people, uneducated people, rural people. If you think an anti-democratic voice has to be part of the discussion, at least make an argument for it. "I found a skeptic! I found a skeptic!" is not an argument. Neither is: "some people read him and agree with him." - Jay Rosen
I really don't know any more about Bobbie Johnson than this one article and his weak as gnat's piss justification for running it with the Keen quote - but from having read Keen's book and many of his blog postings it is evident that Johnson's rationale is exactly the stuff Keen accuses ALL "non professional" internet users of doing. So now Johnson, and thus the Guardian, have become part of the problem - all by playing to Keen's rules of engagement. - David HC Soul
More from Bobbie Johnson via Twitter: " *sigh* no agenda, not from the school of objectivity. Seriously think I'd pose Keen as a viable counterpoint to Cerf + Evslin?" http://is.gd/eBjG My reply: "Agenda? Who said you had an agenda? I said you were showing off how agendaless you can be. Answer to your second Q: yes, I do." To which Bobbie Johnson said, "Pretending not to have an agenda *is* an agenda in itself. And point 2, you're way off base... my intention was the inverse." - Jay Rosen