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We can try but the paywall discussion won't go anywhere. There's no news about it until there is news about it, and when there is news about it all the previous discussion will be rendered clueless, inane and beside the point. - Jay Rosen

A little disappointing we didn't hear much about the NYTimes listening in the social space. I think I heard mostly about new ways to get The Audience to listen to the Times. - Amyloo

"Parameters as to who has access to information gathering and dissemination have altered rapidly and irreversibly...."? No. Sorry. That's dead-to-the-ear writing. You have to do better than term-paper-eese. - Jay Rosen

I thought this was a weak, weak article. He conveniently neglected to mention that people will cell phones gave us this video capturing a murder in a chicago schoolyard http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp... and this video of a BART police officer shooting a man in the back: http://www.youtube.com/watch.... Weak, weak. He then goes on... more... - j1m

Yes, I really like that term. Contrarianism, like being "meta", is often used as a cheap way of faking depth without doing any actual work. - Ruchira S. Datta

And when does this experiment begin? - Josette Torres from fftogo

I didn't say I was going to do the experiment; I simply said, "well that would be an experiment!" - Jay Rosen

Listen live if you wish http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Rebooti... - Jay Rosen

In a few years we will look back at ‘Citizen Journalism’ as one of those funny things an established profession created to cope with what was obviously putting it out of business. It’s the equivalent, as USC professor Henry Jenkins points out, to someone calling a Ford a ‘Horseless Carriage’ around the turn of the 19th century. - Jay Rosen

That means either they don't pay attention or they believe the nonsense fed to them by right-leaning media outlets. - Anika

lol@Rob true - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Will this mean I'll be able to upload pictures again? EDIT This does not mean I can upload photos now. - Anika

Is there currently an issue with posting from FF to update Facebook -or is Facebook broken after the re-design ? i dont get anything posted to FB anymore which worked fine before yd - Del_

My major agenda items for today's podcast are three: 1.) Twitter, Google Microsoft, real time search and all the implications therein, as discussed in Dave's post, Is Google/Microsoft/Twitter in the news business? http://www.scripting.com/stories... - Jay Rosen

which piece on innovation did you mean? probably it was this Tweet: Notice how no one says, "wait a minute, are these people *qualified* to be professional innovators?" http://jr.ly/9nhi NYT: Twitter Serves Up Ideas From Its Followers http://www.nytimes.com/2009... - Jay Rosen

@lavrusik, @journalismnews, @paulbradshaw, @ksablan, @romenesko, @cressman, @jeffsonderman, @macloo, @mediatwit, @dangillmor, @GregMitch, @BenLaMothe, @stevebuttry, @mathewi, @NiemanLab - Jay Rosen

Thanks for the kind inclusion. - Vadim Lavrusik

Wow. Top 15? Thanks for the inclusion. I guess I should ask Twitter for some love so I don't need to use Friendfeed to see the list. - Kevin Sablan

@davidfolkenflik @JayRosen_nyu on the NYT's Andrew Revkin: "One day I think all beat reporting will be done this way," on NPR http://tinyurl.com/flik-102209 - Jay Rosen

Interesting to read/hear the differences between the NPR.org Web story and the NPR Morning Edition audio. - Josette Torres

Is this something you put together, or is it a service? Interesting. - Andrew Hazlett

Dave Winer's creation. See http://docs.40twits.com/ - Jay Rosen

He was asked about Scoble's post on the SUL http://scobleizer.com/2009... Susan Mernit said Twitter announced its new list feature shortly after, so was there a connection? He did not directly say that, but he did say "we don't think it's our job to editorialize." That guys like Dave Winer and Scoble are always... more... - Jay Rosen

Here's the video http://www.livestream.com/onlinen... - Amyloo

Watched through the video several times and the SUL discussion isn't in it. Video started late so perhaps it was earlier in the event. - Ryan Tate

{Columbia] J-School reaches $100 million milestone in Second Century Campaign: The Journalism School announced last night that contributions to the school’s Second Century Campaign have surpassed the $100 million goal, which was established when the campaign launched in 2006. The fundraising campaign reached its ambitious goal three years ahead of schedule. http://www.journalism.columbia.edu/cs... - Jay Rosen

Twitter lists, Google Wave, In Berkeley.com - Jay Rosen

future-safe archives, inberkeley.com, real-time NYT feed - Dave Winer

I think I may be one of them and I don't know why. I never see anything from him and if I've tweeted something to him, it was to chide him for bad journalism. - Anika

I've been watching @davidgregory as closely as anybody. I assure you, that feed is worthless. He asks for questions to read on MTP, and that's about it. - Daniel Doyle

To me that is unbelievable. A former DC bureau chief and now a professor of journalism at USC has no idea why an observer might show some impatience with the political reporters' inside baseball game of asking politicians if they're running for President, as if the pol is going to break the news right there. Quoting @davidwestphal Having trouble tracking your HRC-in-'12 unhappiness. Whether HRC runs again isn't a game. Real life. Not condemnatory. - Jay Rosen

@davidwestphal Yes, @jayrosen_nyu . I like it when reporters ask politicians questions. Dumb questions, even. This one wasn't dumb, tho. It was revealing. - Jay Rosen

From @thenote to @jayrosen_nyu before I agree with you - who is "you" and "us" in this cosmic space? - Jay Rosen

From @thenote to @jayrosen_nyu first off, I don't purport to speak for any "gangs." second, I don't agree that whether someone wants to run for pres is .... not of wide interest. & re "game," some people care abt final score. others care .220 nt time hitter tied game on blooper - Jay Rosen

Touchy, aren't they. - Josette Torres

Mega. - Jay Rosen

Rebooting the News at ONA Jay did the show alone--bootstrapping the audio recording--and here it is. The participants pitched in to help. You can hear 18 different voices describing elements of the rebooted system of news. Ev Williams of Twitter on the List Also at ONA, Ev Williams, CEO of Twitter, was asked about criticims of the Suggested Users List by people like Robert Scoble and Dave Winer. In the course of explaining the Suggested Users List Ev said, "we don't think it's our job to editorialize." And he went on to explain that Twitter will soon introduce a new feature: the ability for users to create their own lists of suggested users, which other users could add in a single click. Dave: "They've had better ways of doing the Suggested Users List since before they started doing it...They screwed up the only authority system they had." Jay: The longer I have studied open systems, the more I realize that the only way they come to work is if three things emerge along with the open...

Thanks for the mention, Jay! Sometime soon I'll try to elaborate on the very old idea I mentioned in show #27: A uniform system for gathering structured data from the people formerly known as the audience. - Ryan Sholin

You know what we need most, is a visual on that... like, let's see the web form. - Jay Rosen

I love that phrase, "Big Content." - Jay Rosen

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Rebooti... - Dave Winer

If we have time, I'd love to talk about this Atlanta Journal Constitution note http://jr.ly/vnth - Jay Rosen

In my entire scholarly career, 20 years, there has only been one event that I have actively sought entrance to for purposes of gaining knowledge and been told that there was no way I could be admitted, and this is the event. Nor am I alone. Anyone who knows the Institute of Politics at Harvard knows that they keep people who aren't on the bus out of this discussion. It's like the holy of holies for the Church of the Savvy. - Jay Rosen

Well - I was at the K-school 8 years ago as an Associate under Graham Allison, I can tell 'ya: the IOP isn't *that* great. - Jason Pontin

Is someone going to catch this on video? - Josette Torres

Yes, it will be on YouTube; that is part of the event. - Jay Rosen

Hotness. I actually thought about coming up to NYC for the weekend (Tech is on fall break right now) but sadly, the chain attached to my ankle by my thesis doesn't stretch that far. - Josette Torres

Check it out, Wikileaks spokesperson: "You'd think the bigger and more important the document is, the more likely it will be reported on but that's absolutely not true. It's about supply and demand. Zero supply equals high demand, it has value. As soon as we release the material, the supply goes to infinity, so the perceived value [to journalists] goes to zero." But that phrase "perceived value" does not mean news value. There could be huge news value--scoops--hiding in plain sight within the documents. Regardless, journalists won't bite. - Jay Rosen

Sadly, Dave's father did the night before. He had to return to New York to attend to family matters. So Jay did the show on his own with a live audience of 35 people. He decided to ask anyone who raised his or her hand to describe "an element of the rebooted system of news," and that became Rebooting the News #27. - Jay Rosen

For those interested in the video, there have been audio syncing problems due to speed differences in the video and audio recordings (done separately for various reasons). I'll post the link here when it's ready. - Greg Linch

Yeah, this lede hasn't been written ten trillion times already. Here's the madlib version: "Remember when [insert technological innovation here] was huge? Yes, that was [insert timeframe here]. The cover of [insert magazine title here] said [insert technological innovation here] 'will change the way we live.' Then I read [insert timeframe here] that [insert technological innovation here] was dead." Snore. - Josette Torres

Right. It's almost like a machine that processed 6,000 columns of the same kind wrote this. - Jay Rosen

Monkeys, typewriters, etc. - Josette Torres

This is the same man who wrote a critical magazine article on blogging and then turned around and created the Fake Steve Jobs blog persona, so this is hardly new territory he's mining. - Josette Torres from fftogo

This will be fun, bring popcorn: http://trueslant.com/markdra... - Josette Torres

The we are in is called Union Square 15 & 16. It's on the 4th floor of Tower Three at the Hilton. If you're a journalist, or a start-up, or just someone with new media dreams, you are welcome. You don't have to be a member of Online News Association or an official participant in the conference, just come. - Jay Rosen

Thank you Jay, I'm planning on attending. - Peter Mullen

He was asked about Scoble's post on the SUL http://scobleizer.com/2009... Susan Mernit said Twitter announced its new list feature shortly after, so was there a connection? He did not directly say that, but he did say "we don't think it's our job to editorialize." That guys like Dave Winer and Scoble are always thinking ahead (and so you can't ignore what they're saying) that the SUL was just a hack in response to the problem of getting new users engaged, and they knew it wasn't a great solution. The new lists feature is partly a response to that, he said. Also, he said that once they implement new features Scoble and Winer will be asking for something else, which is the way it goes in tech. There was no rancor in his tone. - Jay Rosen

His Twitter stream was public. Google cache from September 24: http://74.125.155.132/search... - Josette Torres from fftogo

And so these are the people making restrictive social media policy for Washington Post staffers. - Jay Rosen