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Valeria Maltoni
Great post! - jon burg
thank you, Jon. - Valeria Maltoni
Robert Scoble
Perfect iPhone/baby technique demonstrated by @pscoble:
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Patrick Scoble, 15, demonstrates how to hold baby Ryan (his baby brother) and use Facebook on his iPhone. So cute together. - Robert Scoble from email
awesome...and again, congratulations Robert. - Zee.
Love it! - Myrna
Congratulations Scobles! :) - directeur
Lots of fun, nice to have kids so spread out. Patrick is a good babysitter. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Congrat's! A good photo for the family album - Shane
That is precious all around. He's a great big brother!! - snysctt
This is the perfect melding of social media, babbies and tech. Kudos to you, Scoble. Kudos. - Mike Nayyar
You mean the baby didn't come out texting? I guess we can give him a month. :-) - Karma Martell
i get it, i did it, but I recently read it causes cancer. Congrats! and be careful. - jon burg
And here I thought there was an app for holding the baby... congrats Robert! :-) - Steve Finkelstein
Congratulations to you and your family Robert. The next technique is how to keep it from falling on your face after a looooong night. - Eric Nakagawa
many congrats to you and the new family! - Nigel Walsh
Congrats Robert! - Jericho from iPhone
Robert Scoble
Yo @jeremarketer my position and discussion on @arrington and Twitter's docs are here:
1. I have the benefit of being able to pander to the audience. I can say whatever I want without actually having to get my hands dirty. - Robert Scoble
2. I think what Arrington did is journalistic. In journalism school I learned to bias ALWAYS to publishing information that comes across your desk. - Robert Scoble
3. I told Dave Winer yesterday that I would be reticent to publish because I believe the information was stolen and I don't like to dirty my hands with stolen property. - Robert Scoble
4. Emphasis on "I believe" because I don't really know the facts. See #1 again. - Robert Scoble
Robert: Dave Winer now live here (Bad Hair Day Podcast) talking about those Twitter docs http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Bad-Hai... - Mike Bracco
5. If Arrington had told me he received a bunch of stuff about Twitter and hadn't published I would have thought that Twitter had threatened him with being kicked off the Suggested User List and would have thought less of Arrington. So, he was in a tough position ethically and journalistically. - Robert Scoble
Perhaps, but what are your thoughts on 'responsible disclosure'? IE working with Twitter to allow them to coordinate appropriately with their partners in exchange for tactful, timed, exclusive on the release of the documents via TechCrunch? - Darren
Darren: my journalistic training tells me to avoid playing footsie like that with the subject of a story. - Robert Scoble
Darren: imagine that, instead of Twitter, we were talking about a President and some information gained through a theft. Would you like it if the press got in bed with the President and started making "deals?" I wouldn't. - Robert Scoble
The one thing I can't figure out - doesn't publishing this information put TechCrunch at bias when reporting future information about Twitter? It would seem they now know more about Twitter than ever, and anything they publish could be construed as publishing confidential information. Perhaps they had no choice but to publish it now that it was in their hands due to this reason. - Jesse Stay
Darren: I prefer a press that's independent. But that's just me and this is the tech industry, not political. - Robert Scoble
isnt anyone thinking if anyone else got robbed or got their computer invaded? and if all still are insecure? - m00n The Myth
Jesse: yeah. There is that problem. - Robert Scoble
Now for any Twitter story TechCrunch publishes I'll forever be wondering "hmmm...I wonder if they know more about this than they are reporting, or if this was really a tip". - Jesse Stay
m00n: I'm sure that all passwords at Twitter were changed today. I know that I changed my passwords today too. - Robert Scoble
Jesse: yeah. And I already was wondering if TechCrunch would be treating Twitter properly because of the bribe they are receiving by being on the SUL. (And it is no less than a bribe). - Robert Scoble
Robert yeah, there's that, too. The fact they're still on the SUL after this says something... - Jesse Stay
But blogging and journalism has never been clean. At least now as a reader we know that there are things that aren't being said and so we can read between the lines in their reports. - Robert Scoble
As i see it u aiming at the messenger not the problem - m00n The Myth
Jesse: not to mention that I bet the full docs will still leak somewhere. - Robert Scoble
As I said in the other post, Twitter is going public and TC is just helping them - Johni Fisher
Jesse: I learned in my career that when one person has information, that means that a lot more than one has it, even if the others aren't visible. - Robert Scoble
Robert, you can bet on that - TechCrunch needed the exclusive - Jesse Stay
Perhaps, but as this relates to security, vulnerabilities are discovered each and every day, very often in high profile consumer systems. It's common practice in most circles to work with the vendor either directly, or by selling your information to a 3rd party service who will coordinate the release with the vendor, under the assumption of exclusivity on the release. - Darren
Clearly this is a different industry, but the parallels are there. My point is, it can be and is done very often in an equally competitive industry. - Darren
It's not politics right, it's not like Cheney and the CIA Leak where people could have lost their lives - an egregious act, but still completely unethical, what I find interesting is the public discourse, look at the conversation, and debate it started - Benjamin Taylor
I still think Twitter gave TC permission - they'll never admit it publicly, they can't, but I don't think TC would have said that if they didn't have some sort of blessing. - Jesse Stay
Benjamin: yes, and I've already talked with people who are running conferences and building Twitter apps and they say this information did help them on their plans. So, while lives aren't at stake, careers and business plans are. - Robert Scoble
Jesse: @ev has a tweet about that and says he didn't and Twitter didn't. - Robert Scoble
But, who knows what went on behind the scenes. - Robert Scoble
Robert I think he's obligated to say that, legally - Jesse Stay
Robert He should send his lawyers and not post joks in Twitter - Johni Fisher
EV on twitter "@TechCrunch @arrington "we have been given the green light by Twitter to post this information" What?! By whom? That's not our understanding" - Benjamin Taylor
That's a non-denial denial. - Nick in Manila
Benjamin legally he has to deny they gave approval publicly - Jesse Stay
At this point in time, that's an amazing statement to make in public - Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin TC says they're going to write more about the process of getting "approval" in a future post so we'll see. I think Ev has to ensure there is no doubt that they give no approval to re-publish that material. Otherwise others could as well in various forms. There has to be no doubt, even if permission was given in private. - Jesse Stay
Ev's very public statement also ensures Twitter can still sue others that re-post the information. - Jesse Stay
Marshall Kirkpatrick, Dave Winer, Chris Saad talking about this now - more about the content of the the documents less about the theft and ethics of the subsequent publication http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Bad-Hai... (if you want background) - Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin: I'm listening, interesting discussion. I think I heard Doc Searls there too, but might be wrong. - Robert Scoble
Jesse, no disagreement, just my opinion, and at this point pure conjecture I could by 100% wrong - Benjamin Taylor
Again, I think they have to make that response, even if permission was given to TC behind the scenes. - Jesse Stay
Jesse I think you're right - it's going to fester unless someone comes out and explains what they mean by "permission". - Jeremy
Robert: Agreed, Arrington had to be in a tough political situation to make that kind of choice. Ultimately, journalism's core is about disclosing pertinent information as it becomes available - I guess the question really remains to be seen exactly how the information got to them. But ultimately, I agree it's a journalist's job to report and not (generally) evaluate the pros and cons of a release, no? - Jeremy
To be real, this is really only astonishing to the tech crowd. This shouldn't change anything for marketers or most users. The real problem twitter will face beyond the tech scene will be the hype in the press - which will be largely unfounded. Arrington was justified, now Twitter needs to man up and get a PR Firm, pronto. - jon burg
Personally, I agree with what @arrington did to post the docs. He went about it in a way that wouldn't hurt anyone personally, and still got the information out there. If TechCrunch didn't publish the docs that they had received, to me they wouldn't be TechCrunch. I appreciate what they do for journalism, and if this the way that they thought to be right, then so be it. Even if it was stolen, TechCrunch didn't steal it themselves, they just used whatever landed in their inbox. - Andrew Hays
Jesse, you're insinuating that Ev is lying. I don't think he is and you're just making conjecture. - Louis Gray
@jon_bourg That's my thoughts after reading the documents. I think I found them interesting, but any friends I have that aren't tech-interested at all will not be effected in either way. Also, if anything I feel as though viewing the documents has given me even more of a newfound respect for Twitter. And I don't know anyone that has viewed these documents and has felt anger towards Twitter. It seems like an overall win situation for them, aside from the whole losing-the-info-to-hackers-bit. - Andrew Hays
@Ian I think it's also important to realize that Twitter is not completely at fault here, either. Yes, they got hacked, and to an extent that's their fault (more the employee's fault, really) -- but in general, these things happen and probably would've happened anyways. If not to Twitter, then it would've been Facebook or something. - Andrew Hays
Did you guys see that @arrington pointed to this conversation? http://twitter.com/arringt... - Robert Scoble
ya thats how it found this earlier! - iTbay
@Scoble Yeah, that's how I got here, actually. >.> - Andrew Hays
With regard to rule #2, can you cite some sources? From everything I've seen and heard at work, I've not found this to be the case at all. (Though I'm not speaking on behalf of my employer or anyone else.) - Ted Roden
Louis, either Ev is lying or TechCrunch is - can't be both. - Jesse Stay
Ted: I went to San Jose State University in journalism school there. We had deep arguments about when to publish and when not to publish and the professional journalists (who worked at CNN and SJ Mercury News, among other places) said if you didn't publish you better have some darn good reasons. Knowing the source got the info by theft is a reason to definitely cause major debate in the newsroom. But there's lots of cases where journalists decided to publish that stuff anyway. - Robert Scoble
Robert: Ahh. Thanks for clearing that up, but it still sounds a lot different than, "In journalism school I learned to bias ALWAYS to publishing information that comes across your desk" - Ted Roden
Ted: bias is exactly what I meant and doesn't sound any different than my second statement. - Robert Scoble
Jesse: yeah. Except I bet that both of them have a different way of seeing the conversation. I can see Ev saying something like "go ahead, you're going to anyway" which Ev sees as not condoning publishing. - Robert Scoble
And Mike seeing as thinking that implies consent. Or something like that. - Robert Scoble
Mike is VERY good at pulling information out of you that you don't want to give and/or getting you to switch your stance from "off the record" to "on the record." Sometimes he's so good at doing that you don't even realize he did it. - Robert Scoble
Well, Arrington had a right to take that as permission, but EV doesn't want stuff like this published, so he'd probably not want to give any kind of permission. Mike had to take whatever he could get I bet. - Andrew Hays
I think they're both right, which is what I was inferring. - Jesse Stay
Jesse: I have watched Mike work a story over for hours while hanging out in his hotel room. I always am happy I'm not on the other end of the phone. People who play with Mike need to understand he's one of the best at dragging info out of you that you don't necessarily want to give. If you don't like to play that game I wouldn't get on the phone with him, or I'd have a PR team giving me... more... - Robert Scoble
Arrington seems like he drives hard for information. Which is great in a journalist, in my opinion. But then again, I'm not the one on the other end of the line getting hit up for information. - Andrew Hays
Mike is a god among mortal bloggers, this industry wouldn't be very interesting without him, gotta say. He pulls info no major news source ever could. Really looking forward to the first time he drills me, and from my calendar that looks like about 2 weeks away. :) - sean percival
sean: word. - Robert Scoble
I'm just hoping that he, or anyone else, will have a reason to do so with me whenever I get around to it. - Andrew Hays
The uproar over this in many ways is that people got a very inside, very candid, dirty look at how the sausage is made. It makes people feel uncomfortable to see that--like going to a slaughterhouse-- but overall it's a very good thing for folks to have their heads abruptly removed from the sand. The part that is regrettable is that in Arrington's candor, he became the object of the abhorrence with the sausage making. - Travis Kalanick
I never quite thought about it like that, Travis, but that's very insightful, you're very right. People don't always like getting a good inside look at how things work, they just want to know that it works and now they're looking at some more of the inside, so they're upset. Though I don't think Twitter is that similar to a slaughterhouse. ;) - Andrew Hays
Documentation is an asset. Twitter as an intangible asset, its essence, has been damaged. Its issuance was made without board approval regardless of its newsworthiness. Controls were breached. What would happen if Coca Cola's formula was hacked & the guy who made it was from Canada & not the US originally, doesnt that make it newsworthy? This is not a Tech or Journalism issue, its an... more... - iTbay
Arrington did nothing illegal though. He reported on the information that landed in his inbox. I think this is very much a journalism issue. The legality issues would be with the hacker that will never be caught for his actions. And that battle is lost with this case, as it is with so many others. With legality out of the way, it leaves accounting, I suppose, but like Arrington said,... more... - Andrew Hays
You're no. 5 argument is quite persuasive. But what's awful about Arrington is that he arrogates himself to the role of the old newspaper, a public interest institution, but has investments in some of the things he covers favourably, thereby having no firewall like old newspapers. He also can influence who gets VC money and who doesn't -- something much more powerful than old newspapers. So he has all the power with none of the responsibility. He decides alone, without even an editorial board. It's wrong. - Prokofy Neva
The issuance of the information is like when Central Bank lower the interest rate to control the money supply. The effect on the economy is pervasive. One person making a decision to make pervasive changes to a system, like the economy, is beyond the principles of Journalism. Twitter is no startup Crunch company, its like the banking system! - iTbay
Prokofy, It may be wrong, but let the free market decide. The mainstream media does no better. There are no Edward R. Murrows anymore. The thing about today is, everything is moving so fast, we are in a freefall into the future, there are no more guidelines. Everyone must cut there own path. This is both scary and exciting. Scary because the guidelines are gone, exciting because creativity is unleashed in the business world as much as it is in the arts. - Stephen Pickering
Andrew: the substance of the matter, which accounting captures, is greater than the form of the matter, legality. The damages to Twitter R not the legality part, its the accounting part, the present value of what it will make in the future + its assets - this equation has been damaged without board approval regardless of the hack in Twitter's General Control Environment. - iTbay
Robert: In real life there is no such thing as 'off the record'. - Dan Morelle
Dan: true. That's why at Microsoft we said "live your life as if everything you do will be on the front page of the New York Times." - Robert Scoble
Hence the pink wigs ;) - Dan Morelle
Robert, "live your life as if everything front page nytimes" etc comment direct from Warren Buffet. Also, @ sun valley conference I realized: there really is no "independent media" - all of those reporters have "relationships" w/ their sources and honor those relationships. They can't "speak the truth" as they see it or as it transpires, per say, w/out acknowledging their career / relationships first. Hence the catch - j sven
Oh gosh, what a world we live in. We sue our kids for sexting, but let a pseudo-journalist get a free ride with STOLEN CONFIDENTIAL documents from a PRIVATE company, and still think that this is "the right thing to do" and even argue that he would "look bad if hadn't published yet". Oh yeah. - gui ambros
gui, you've got the wrong idea. First off, you're analogizing this with sexting, when they aren't in the same category. Child prostitution would be more the category that fell into. Mike Arrington did absolutely nothing wrong by using the documents that he was given. He didn't steal anything. Again, the hacker is wrong, Arrington is not. You make it sound like he stole the documents... more... - Andrew Hays from email
Unless ties are severed, all this bantering about serves as nothing more than publicity for both parties. Well played TC and Twitter! - Dana Fosburgh
value of documentation = an asset which is less than ANY publicity gains for Twitter - iTbay
Robert - wouldnt it be great if comments had likes! Makes friendfeed even more powerful! a thought - iTbay
Robert Scoble
Chris McKillop is director of Software at Palm. He worked on iPhone team. He said a ton of iPhone people work at Palm now.
He showed me pictures of my son buying the first iPhone at the Palo Alto store and asked if I would be first in line at the Sprint store to buy a Pre. I said yes. - Robert Scoble
Does that raise our expectations of the brand? They didn't hit a grandslam today, at best it was a base hit up the middle. They should have pushed not just form, but deeper multimedia function. Nobody is coming close to the iPhone on gaming, video etc. A strong UI is a baseline, should not be a goal. - jon burg
Can apps be native? Very important. Also 3d acceleration for games. - invariant
I'm not there, and my only frame of reference was Ryan Block's coverage, but I thought it was curious that there was no demonstration of making a call, a camera, or a third party app environment: did Block miss that or did they really bury those? - Mark Trapp
Why would you buy that on top of your other phones? - Louis Gray
did someone say 3d acceleration? - Iphigenie
Joelle: Just saying that for games 3d accel is important. Don't know if they have it. Actually, they have a nice beefy processor so you could do software 3D on it. - invariant
very cool. always had faith in palm ever since I worked at Handspring back in the early 2000's - Randy Ksar from twhirl
...interesting, what made them jump ship from Apple? - Lee Hsieh
@lee maybe they thought most of the innovation was done and they wanted a new project to work on - Aaron Eaton
Like $PALM Pre announcement. But delivery is "first half '09", which is a long time in smartphone space. Also no price details now is curious. Tougher for developers to gauge Pre potential vs. iPhone, Win Mobile, Google Android and Symbian. - Michael Parekh
Louis: better social networking integration. Better overall experience. Real keyboard. - Robert Scoble
Why do I think you won't actually have to shell out any $ for one Robert? :-) - Ms_Krista
MS: Fast Company doesn't let me accept gifts. - Robert Scoble
jon burg
What’s Right With Social Media | Altitude Branding - http://altitudebranding.com/2008...
Great pick me up post for those anyone facing a wall. - jon burg
jon burg
What’s Right With Social Media | Altitude Branding - http://altitudebranding.com/2008...
Great pick me up post for those anyone facing a wall. - jon burg
jon burg
Bloggers Increase HP Laptop Sales 85% - http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2008...
Social works. it performs. Great case study. - jon burg
jon burg
Bloggers Increase HP Laptop Sales 85% - http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2008...
Social works. it performs. Great case study. - jon burg
jon burg
The Toad Stool by Alan Wolk: The Great Twitter Ponzi Scheme - http://tangerinetoad.blogspot.com/2008...
Followers doesn't equal value. And popularity doesn't equal success. Don't try to be the next Scoble. Because unless you are Robert Scoble, you shouldn't try to be him, that job is already taken. - jon burg
jon burg
The Toad Stool by Alan Wolk: The Great Twitter Ponzi Scheme - http://tangerinetoad.blogspot.com/2008...
Followers doesn't equal value. And popularity doesn't equal success. Don't try to be the next Scoble. Because unless you are Robert Scoble, you shouldn't try to be him, that job is already taken. - jon burg
jon burg
advergirl: Social Manifesto: Social Media Etiquette (by Miss Advergirl) - http://leighhouse.typepad.com/advergi...
Don't do it if you're are going to do it right. If you're ready to do it right, start with this post. If not, keep on reading until you are ready (and that's ok!). - jon burg
jon burg
advergirl: Social Manifesto: Social Media Etiquette (by Miss Advergirl) - http://leighhouse.typepad.com/advergi...
Don't do it if you're are going to do it right. If you're ready to do it right, start with this post. If not, keep on reading until you are ready (and that's ok!). - jon burg
jon burg
When hype can go overboard and hurt credibility « SageCircle Blog - http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2008...
Hype is cyclical. Overpromissing (you may have already won 50 million dollars!) hurts your credibility. - jon burg
jon burg
When hype can go overboard and hurt credibility « SageCircle Blog - http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2008...
Hype is cyclical. Overpromissing (you may have already won 50 million dollars!) hurts your credibility. - jon burg
jon burg
Media History Through Gartner Hype Cycle Graphs: 1995-2008 - Advertising Lab: future of advertising and advertising technology - http://adverlab.blogspot.com/2008...
soo much charty goodness! - jon burg
jon burg
How to Find Statistics on Social Media - http://mashable.com/2008...
Great overview of free resources. - jon burg
jon burg
The Engaging Brand : 7 Wonders of Anna's Business World - http://theengagingbrand.typepad.com/the_eng...
I'm loving this. - jon burg
jon burg
Media History Through Gartner Hype Cycle Graphs: 1995-2008 - Advertising Lab: future of advertising and advertising technology - http://adverlab.blogspot.com/2008...
soo much charty goodness! - jon burg
jon burg
The Engaging Brand : 7 Wonders of Anna's Business World - http://theengagingbrand.typepad.com/the_eng...
I'm loving this. - jon burg
jon burg
How to Find Statistics on Social Media - http://mashable.com/2008...
Great overview of free resources. - jon burg
jon burg
Blog con Queso: Superhero Necklace Auction for Nie Nie - http://thequeso.com/2008...
Good social media for a great cause. Check it out! - jon burg
jon burg
Blog con Queso: Superhero Necklace Auction for Nie Nie - http://thequeso.com/2008...
Good social media for a great cause. Check it out! - jon burg
jon burg
Court: Veoh Not Guilty of Copyright Infringement « NewTeeVee - http://newteevee.com/2008...
Congrats to all my friends at Veoh. Now that these legal battles are hopefully behind them, let's hope we can start seeing some true Veoh presence where it should be - in the living room. - jon burg
jon burg
ConverStations: Zemanta is Your Blogging Assistant - http://www.converstations.com/2008...
call me crazy, but Zemanta is more often annoying than helpful, and frankly, a utility I am strongly considering uninstalling. Their picture or often less than helpful, and in Typepad, the only reason to use them is to align proper attribution with a photo. Beyond that, they rarely provide actionable realistic recommendations. - jon burg
jon burg
ConverStations: Zemanta is Your Blogging Assistant - http://www.converstations.com/2008...
call me crazy, but Zemanta is more often annoying than helpful, and frankly, a utility I am strongly considering uninstalling. Their picture or often less than helpful, and in Typepad, the only reason to use them is to align proper attribution with a photo. Beyond that, they rarely provide actionable realistic recommendations. - jon burg
jon burg
Court: Veoh Not Guilty of Copyright Infringement « NewTeeVee - http://newteevee.com/2008...
Congrats to all my friends at Veoh. Now that these legal battles are hopefully behind them, let's hope we can start seeing some true Veoh presence where it should be - in the living room. - jon burg
jon burg
50 Ideas on Using Twitter for Business | chrisbrogan.com - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/50-idea...
Chris Brogan does it again. Is your business on twitter? - jon burg
jon burg
50 Ideas on Using Twitter for Business | chrisbrogan.com - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/50-idea...
Chris Brogan does it again. Is your business on twitter? - jon burg
jon burg
Brand Autopsy: #3 -- Biz Book | Tweet by Tweet - http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandau...
Dear those of you who question the value or utility of Twitter. Read this post. Feel free to reach out with any additional questions. - jon burg
jon burg
Brand Autopsy: #3 -- Biz Book | Tweet by Tweet - http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandau...
Dear those of you who question the value or utility of Twitter. Read this post. Feel free to reach out with any additional questions. - jon burg
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