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Cameron Neylon shared an item on Google Reader

Science 2.0

13 hours ago - Link

Jill O'Neill, Deepak, Pedro Beltrao, Jean-Claude Bradley and 3 other people liked this

focused on the information sharing aspect, appropriately so. - Mr. Gunn

I had a long talk with David today - there could be great synergy with our work on anti-malarials and certainly with the Open Science community - Cameron he's on your side of the pond - Jean-Claude Bradley

Ah - then I should defintely make contact with him. Left a comment on his blog this eveing about the open source drug discovery thing. - Cameron Neylon

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Research Study: How Is Web 2.0 Viewed by Academics?

yesterday at 7:55 am - Link

Graham Steel, Berci Mesko, Pawel Szczesny, Mr. Gunn and 6 other people liked this

Some very good points in there: "Whilst there are clear benefits to be achieved from providing teachers and students with the opportunity to share ideas in the context of stimulus artefacts, many hold reservations about 'giving away' their intellectual property." [...] "Their main concern is to access reliable, relevant content and information, but the ability to form connections between these resources is one way of adding value to the collection." - Thomas Brox Røst

many people concerned about "giving away their IP" need to have a talk with a VC. Was it Kawasaki that said something like "Nothing is novel anymore, and if someone has never thought of your idea before, it's probably because it's a dumb idea."? - Mr. Gunn

I've also had some contact with people preparing a report on Web2 and science so I need to talk to them and then point them here :) - Cameron Neylon

Michael Nielsen bookmarked a page on del.icio.us

scottberkun.com » Why project managers get no respect

yesterday at 10:41 am - Link

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Insightful rant - it's better to define a job more by it's output than by what's actually done day-to-day. That's why "Movie Director" is better than "Project Manager". - Michael Nielsen

Elisabeth posted an entry on Public Library of Science

Express yourself through PLoS ONE

yesterday at 9:37 am - Link

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Egon Willighagen bookmarked a page on del.icio.us

Building Chempedia: Learning About Contributors

July 3 at 12:39 am - Link

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More online (bio)chemical community building. Cheers Rich! - Egon Willighagen

Berci Mesko posted a message on Twitter

“I'm so happy!! The first impact factors of my life (2.78). http://tinyurl.com/3pqotn”

July 3 at 5:21 am - Link

Ricardo Vidal, Mr. Gunn, Bill Hooker, Jean-Claude Bradley and 3 other people liked this

And you got wiki and web2.0 in the title - nice work - Neil Saunders

Thank you! Buzzwords rule! :) - Berci Mesko

Great stuff Berci. - Ricardo Vidal

Pierre posted a message on Twitter

“Did you know ? FriendFeed can export FOAF !http://friendfeed.com/yokofaku...”

July 3 at 6:55 am - Link

Thomas Lemberger, Bill Hooker, Mr. Gunn, Pedro Beltrao and 7 other people liked this

Cool! Should add that to my other FOAF file... - Egon Willighagen

It's had that for a long time (get the Semantic Radar extension, detects all FOAF friendly sites). MyBlogLog has that too - Deepak

I wanted this from Nature Network: would be far more interesting to get such an automatic FOAF profile with publications, locations, tags (=interest), network... Many tools could be built from this informations: "I'm looking from someone who know somenone in germany who worked on HIV..." - Pierre

cool, who wants to write a spider for this? - Mr. Gunn

Heather Piwowar shared an item on Google Reader

Don’t “use Institutional Repositories”; “put it on the web”

July 2 at 6:49 am - Link

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Jonathan Eisen posted an entry on The Tree of Life

My first PLoS One paper .... yay.

July 2 at 8:45 am - Link

Cameron Neylon, Björn Brembs, Matt Wood, Bora Zivkovic and 3 other people liked this

Congrats - Ricardo Vidal

I plan to have many more ... I am going to submit some old unpublished stuff to PLoS One as well as many new things - Jonathan Eisen

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Congratulations! - Bill Hooker

Jonathan, you should title one of those upcoming PLoS papers "Tree of Life" and we'll all link to it and cite it feverishly! http://is.gd/Kxk - Duncan Hull

You may not worry about having the term "Tree of Life" lost to Hollywood, but when the next Angelina Jolie movie is titled Nodalpoint lets see what you do .. - Jonathan Eisen

yes, that wouldn't be good. Speaking of nodalpoint, I'm surprised Bosco Ho http://boscoh.com and Greg Tyrelle http://tyrelle.net aren't to be found wasting time on friendfeed... we should invite them to join the party... - Duncan Hull

"Wasting time"?? I resemble that remark! - Bill Hooker

We actually stole Nodalpoint from William Gibson. As for Greg, ironically for a web pioneer, he maintains almost no web presence whatsoever. Too busy in the Taiwanese corporate biotech sector. - Neil Saunders

Unfortunately http://www.nodalpoint.org seems to be either not responding or redirecting to Melbourne IT services http://www.flickr.com/photos/d... I've emailed greg... - Duncan Hull

Nodal fine for me just now. - Neil Saunders

Must be a weird hemisphere thing, are you down under in Oz where they have different InterWebs® or across the pond at ISMB? - Duncan Hull

Yeah, we get last weeks Nodal :) Proxy/cache thing maybe? - Neil Saunders

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Google Friend Connect

July 1 at 1:35 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link

Michael Nielsen, Jean-Claude Bradley, Alexey, Thomas Brox Røst and Bill Hooker liked this

Anyone using this? - Mr. Gunn via Bookmarklet

Hadn't heard of it, but it looks interesting. - Bill Hooker

yes looks interesting - would be nice to see an example from our FF group here - Jean-Claude Bradley

If they'll ever approve my application, maybe we could get that worked out, JCB - Mr. Gunn

Sally Church shared an item on Google Reader

Building scientific communities

July 1 at 7:08 pm - Link

Mladen Srdić, Maxine, Mr. Gunn, Jean-Claude Bradley and 8 other people liked this

People finding people via data rather summarises the success of FriendFeed. - Neil Saunders

Indeed it does, Neil - Sally Church

This is a great piece, but I have a minor quibble: data is not so central to day-to-day practice in some scientific communities. Certainly, it's less central in much of theoretical physics, economics and computer science than it is in (say) observational astronomy. - Michael Nielsen

Michael, I use "data" in a rather loose sense of the word. It could be publications of common interest, or some other lower level concept that people can coalesce around. - Deepak

:-) - Mitchell Tsai

Matt Wood posted an item on Tumblr

Science Blogging 2008: Conference programme

July 1 at 5:54 am - Link

Jean-Claude Bradley, Duncan Hull, Deepak, Michael Barton and mike "glemak" dunn liked this

Hey, Matt, if you are talking on FF and Twitter on the conference you should set up a FF room for the conference to prove it! :))) - Attila Csordas

I can only prove my presence on the conference if I call it the Science (micro)Blogging 2008 conference. :) - Attila Csordas

Attila - excellent idea! http://friendfeed.com/rooms/sc... - Matt Wood

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Full Conference Programme for Science Blogging 2008, London

July 1 at 9:21 am - Link

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Nature Science Blogging conference 2008 - Duncan Hull

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Open Science Highlight -- JoVE: Journal of Visual Experiments

July 1 at 10:57 am - Link

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Antony Williams posted an entry on ChemSpider Blog

Article 2.0 and ChemSpider might be a good match

June 30 at 8:07 pm - Link

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Matt Wood posted a message on Twitter

“Just invited to talk at Google's conference on software quality. Awesome.”

July 1 at 4:04 am - Link

Jason Stajich, Jean-Claude Bradley, Deepak, Neil Saunders and mike "glemak" dunn liked this

Congratulations! Show them how it's done... - Jan Aerts

Ah he plays with the big boys. Remember us from atop yer perch :) - Deepak

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Chemical Party

June 30 at 9:32 am - via Reshare - Link

Graham Steel, Christian, Shirley Wu, Jean-Claude Bradley and 4 other people liked this

Dan Gezelter posted an entry on The OpenScience Project

FooCamp? BarCamp?

June 30 at 7:10 am - Link

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Rafael Sidi posted an entry on Really Simple Sidi (RSS)

Opening up for ideas: Article 2.0

June 30 at 7:29 am - Link

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Michael Nielsen posted an entry on Michael Nielsen

Why the h-index is little use

June 30 at 8:40 am - Link

Duncan Hull, David Molnar, Dan Gezelter, NatBlair and 3 other people liked this

There was recently a Brazilian paper using the h-index to show the Brazilian scientific productivity. I will find the link but I don't know if it is in English. - PauloNuin via twhirl

There is the link http://www.scielo.br/scielo.ph... - PauloNuin

@PauloNuin Thanks. :-) - Roger Chen

There's a paper out from the IMA that debunks the h-index even further: http://is.gd/J8p - S V via twhirl

Attila Csordas posted a message on Twitter

“I would strictly limit the length of presentations on every conference up to say 15 minutes if I had a chance to do so.”

June 29 at 7:22 pm - Link

Thomas Brox Røst, Pedro Beltrao, Konrad Förstner, Jean-Claude Bradley and 2 other people liked this

Reminds of of the time so many people at ACS were whining that talk time had been reduced from 45->30 minutes - Deepak

Now the only thing is making people respect the 15 min. - PauloNuin

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I think 20 mins at 1-2 slides/minute is about the perfect presentation time. Forces speakers to be concise; a talk is only a summary, not a detailed explanation of every single little point. 45 mins is about as long as most people can concentrate at a stretch. I never understand these 100+ slides presentations that I see at Slideshare. - Neil Saunders

I'd like to try all kinds of things at conferences and even routine labmeetings -- brainstorming, speedgeeking, pecha kucha -- but every time I suggest anything remotely new I get shut down. - Bill Hooker

I used to have the same idea (1-2 slides/minute), until I heard Larry Lessig talk. He uses a lot of slides, often with just one word on them, and can go through them quickly. But then not everyone is Larry Lessig :) - Deepak

I actually just spent a fair bit of this past weekend attempting to fix my death by powerpoint habit. I have done pretty well. Neil - Apparently it is about 10 minutes one can concentrate effectively during a powerpoint presentation. - Mitchell J Stanton-Cook

Lessig -> They call that video, not? - Egon Willighagen

It feels like I always have about fifty slides. Doesn't matter how long the talk is. Ten minutes? Fifty slides. :) - Andrew Walkingshaw

I've seen presentations where they basically cut the figures out of their paper and made a slide out of each. It was way too busy and hard to follow. I don't know if that means that their figures were too busy to start with or what, but it was so boring. I felt like they didn't even need to be up there, and everyone was reading the figure legend instead of listening to the presenter. On the other hard, for a scientific presentation, you do have to show actual data, so you can't go too minimalistic. - Mr. Gunn

I also like a lot Lessig's style. I tried it once in a talk about open science. I think it works best for presenting one concept but I don't think it works so well for detailed scientific results (although some try to flash a lot of westerns at you but it is not the same ;) Dick Hardt's talk on Identity 2.0 is another good example of this style (http://identity20.com/media/OS...). - Pedro Beltrao

from an audience point of view, the best is to end it quick and see other angles during the discussion, it is just not 'polite' to talk too much without interaction - Attila Csordas

I learned in teaching class that people only have a 10 minute attention span, and if you need to give a talk that's longer than 10 minutes, you need to do something (anything!) after every ten minutes to recharge the audience. In our examples they were mostly little exercises, but that was for students. I guess a mid-talk question round would work too. - Eva

Something I like about Lessig's style is that it demands attention from the audience. There's a new chunk of information every few seconds, and as an audience member you always know exactly where your attention ought to be. It's almost flow-inducing, although it can be a bit draining (agree with Eva - a break every 10 minutes is good). Tough to pull off a talk in this style, though. - Michael Nielsen

Hey, I know that Lessig is cool and can handle the remote well but we need scientific presenter heroes, who and where are they? - Attila Csordas

Jaenisch is a very effective presenter. I saw him at the NIH and ISSCR a previous year. - Mr. Gunn

Nipam Patel is engaging, entertaining and scary smart. - Bill Hooker

Evan Snyder, stem cell guy: I am not sure about his science, but as a presenter he is good. His trick is being very enthusiastic about the topic. - Attila Csordas

The Life Scientists: Maxine posted a link

Please join the Nature Network group for Scientific Researchers and Web 2.0

June 29 at 2:25 am - Link

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"So you use Nature Networks, but what do you really think of the impact of Web2.0 on research?" - rather implies that Nature Network is a Web 2.0 application. It isn't and that's part of the problem. Perhaps "NN not working?" is a better tagline. - Neil Saunders

Ooh, Neil, that's a bit harsh! And wrong, I think. The group is set up by the "Talk Science" team at the British Library as part of their series of seminars. It has not been set up by the NN team and it is not at all "implying that NN is a web 2.0 application", it is about "web 2.0 as applied to science research". The BL talk related to this topic is happening next month, and the group is partly there for pre-meeting discussion of topics. If you would like to visit the group's NN page itself, rather than just commenting on the title I've posted here, you'll see the BL's agenda right there on the first page. - Maxine

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Yeah, I was just being devil's advocate. Or overly harsh. Or something :) That and conference preparation stress. I have visited the group page (how else would I quote the opening sentence?) and I do see that it's web 2.0 + science, rather than NN specifically. The opening line does appear to equate NN and web 2.0, though. - Neil Saunders

I think the scientists who are using NN are probably interested in the social web and hence the questions the group is asking - at least that's how I read the opening sentence. Hope your conference preparation stress reduces soon! Good luck with your talk. - Maxine

I would love to go to this talk. Not everything Web 2.0 for Scientists is working. David Crotty (CSH Protocols) has written a lot about this. - Martin Fenner

Well I signed up and it asked me to join Nature.com first. Now I have access to free science and medicine article on Nature - big thank you! - Sally Church

I hope you can make the talk, Martin. It's in September, actually, not "next month", sorry for my mistake above. - Maxine

I think very little "web 2.0 for scientists" is working. In terms of not only uptake, but also the type of sites being developed. It's the data that need to be social, not the people. - Neil Saunders

I hope you can come over for the talk, too, Neil, to liven things up! - Maxine

Just joined up. I must quote Jon Udell ... "Data finds data, then people find people" (channeling Jeff Jonas) Link: http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/... ... We need to realize that web 2.0 has multiple aspects. I believe that we are not spending enough time trying to channel the programmable web aspect of web 2.0 (the data part) and too much time with the social (read people) aspects. - Deepak

Isn't there room for both, though, Deepak? The internet is a big place. - Maxine

Didn't you get the memo? Programmable web data is Web 3.0 :-) - Eric Jain

Hi, are you "the" Eric Jain whose name is on ClaimID? I use ClaimID for my open ID but every time I use it, from whichever computer, I have to log in. Any tips? - Maxine

Maxine, more than enough room, but communities build around common interests, not around interfaces, so the data has to come first. The latter are important too. Without good front ends, you can have all the data you want, but people are not going to come together - Deepak

Eric, I seem to be missing a lot of memos these days :) - Deepak

Never heard of ClaimID... - Eric Jain

:-) - Mitchell Tsai

Maxine, I use (sort of) ClaimID and have to log in each time, too. Sometimes I bother to press carriage return a few times, sometimes I don't. - Heather

Since there's always questions about what is Web2.0 good for in science, let me point out that people get funded to study string theory without people expecting practical applications to come immediately. Maybe we're a little too quick to judge science 2.0? - Mr. Gunn

Sorry, Eric, the name is "Jan" Rain, obviously no relation. I use a site called "claim id" as my open ID site as I was recommended it by one of the NN users (can't remember who). I wish I didn't have to log in so often -- most sites have a "remember me" or "keep me logged in" option that is good for a few days or a day at least. - Maxine

:-) - Mitchell Tsai

Deepak commented on a blog post on Disqus

Re: Well, now we know who the most important FriendFeed users are

June 29 at 12:27 pm - Link

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"I'll take the notoriety while it lasts :). It was worth a good chuckle" - Deepak

Cool! :) - Egon Willighagen

Funny. And not totally surprising :) - Neil Saunders

Ntino posted an entry on "web 2.0" - Summize

just connected on LinkedIn with a guy who's now doing PhD in Comp. Sc. with research interests in Social Web, E-Learning, Web 2.0. it's cool

June 29 at 12:28 pm - Link

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Ntino posted a message on Twitter

“exporting own-created images from my previous departmental talks; uploading to wikicommons and then will link to them via thesis wiki”

June 27 at 5:59 pm - Link

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Bill Hooker posted an entry on sennoma's Feed

DrugMonkey : Calling All "Open Notebook" Wackaloons

June 27 at 6:24 pm - Link

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Thanks for pointing this out Bill and commenting on there - it is interesting the level of animosity the concept generates for people who speak before they read. - Jean-Claude Bradley

At least it is an opportunity to clarify some misconceptions - Jean-Claude Bradley

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I just don't get people. It's not like anyone is saying that ONS is the only way of doing science. It's "a" way, and a perfectly fine one if someone so choose, but then if anyone equates science to just wet lab work is hopelessly lost - Deepak

Yeah, I don't get the animosity either. I do know it's very common in science though, and I don't understand why that should be. Shouldn't researchers be both *curious* and *positive* about new things? - Bill Hooker

I am not sure it is even worth responding anymore. The whole strategy of that blog seams to be to irritate people enough to comment and come back to the "discussions". - Pedro Beltrao

I take back this last comment. Whoever writes the blog does have interesting and useful blog posts in there. I don't get it why once in a while he/she has those posts full of insults that clearly look like flame bait. Just for the fun of it here is a link to a rinsed version of the RSS feed of DrugMonkey (http://www.feedrinse.com/servi...) - Pedro Beltrao

There's an art to using a combative, abrasive style in this way. Personally, I think RPM at ScienceBlogs has it and this guy doesn't. I just find it very tedious and go elsewhere. - Neil Saunders

@Neil: absolutely agree there's an art to it, but I like PP and think RPM should dial it back a few notches, because he has lots of good stuff to say but just doesn't have the gonzo style down. - Bill Hooker

On a related note --- what do people recommend for electronic lab notebooks in general - either the closed kind or the open kind? I am trying to move my lab to all electronic notebooks with the long term goal of posting a lot of stuff openly but I need to start with a good electronic notebook ... - Jonathan Eisen

@Jonathan - can of worms, mate! There is no good, free/open-source, one-size-fits-all ELN solution. Most people here are using wikis, blogs or a combination (blikis). - Neil Saunders

One to keep an eye on though, as an online solution is SmartNote: http://smartnote.miraibio.com/.... Good if you do mostly DNA sequence stuff. - Neil Saunders

@Bill - question of personal taste, I guess. I'm not a fan of science bloggers who feel the need to project a contrived writing style. It just obscures the message for me. - Neil Saunders

Thanks Neil. The problem with the wiki/blog option is getting non techno people to use it. We have a lab wiki. Still hard to get everyone to use it for lab notebook stuff. Will check out smartnote - Jonathan Eisen

Jonathan - as you know I'm still a big fan of the general purpose wiki as lab notebook. One of the advantages of Wikispaces is that it has a decent visual editor and a highly simplified WikiText. But not matter what you use it will take more than technology to get your group members to enthusiastically use it. - Jean-Claude Bradley

Agree, Jean-Claude and Jonathan. My attempts, even with a visual editor and a training course, have failed to encourage lab members to edit our internal lab wiki. It was set up initially to only share our small sequence datasets, with the idea that this could be a pathway toward lab members using the wiki for protocols, and maybe even migrate to an open space like OWW eventually. It seems to be a real difficulty for the non-techno crowd, and it seems that they won't even try. - Andrew Perry

We get some use from our lab wiki and a LIMS that I hacked together, but only under great duress - basically the boss demands participation. Unwillingness to try is a source of continual frustration and incomprehension to me. The benefits are clear (I hope), the users are not stupid (I hope), nor computer-illiterate (if they can set up and manage Facebook, they can manage a wiki). It's either not a priority for them or else they're just lazy. - Neil Saunders

The problem we are having is integrating multiple formats - handwriting (e.g., lab notes), pictures (e.g., non digital images), digital images, analysis, etc. It is not that people are technically fearful, it is that getting people confortable with the idea of doing everything on the computer and changing practices (e.g, taking notes on the computer not by hand) will take some time. - Jonathan Eisen

I sometimes wonder if the free-form nature of wikis confuses some people. It means that they have to define their own structure for storing data. This is why I think the world needs a good, free, open-source ELN (and a LIMS) with flexible, but defined form fields: date/time, title, aim, upload (image/spreadsheet/text/whatever), notes and so on. - Neil Saunders

I think that's a big part of it, Neil: it took me a long time to grok wikis, and (by labrat standards) I'm a geek. Add to that the baffling tendency of scientists to sneer at anything they don't understand (I swear, outside their research, this is true -- and I have no idea why it should be so), and you have a recipe for Luddism. - Bill Hooker

A lot of reluctance is not related to technology - it is just human nature. Most students that I have had would not even keep a decent paper notebook without constant vigilance on my part. Some get it - and those who do of course will end up on top after they graduate and carry their skills to the workplace. - Jean-Claude Bradley

Deepak posted a message on Twitter

“Coming soon: Postercasts”

June 27 at 11:03 am - Link

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can you give more info about it. Sounds interesting ... - PauloNuin

Paulo, couldn't quite tell how it works, but essentially it's a system to do a video about your poster. There is a low tech way, record yourself!!! The scivee approach allows you to annotate your timeline ,,, I think. Looked quite nice - Deepak

Sounds great. - Andrew Perry

The Life Scientists: Jason Winget posted a link

Applying short embargoes to Open Notebooks to avoid scooping?

June 26 at 9:42 am - Link

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Now got as far as commenting on the post even. Been busy for a few days... - Cameron Neylon

Delayed Open Notebooks? - Egon Willighagen

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Slowly opened notebooks - Deepak

I usually just say it is a type of Partial Open Notebook Science - Jean-Claude Bradley

I still don't believe in scooping :) - Neil Saunders

I think delayed notebooks wouldn't prevent scooping, considering that scooping in notebooks is even an issue. - Ricardo Vidal

I am with Neil .. and after this weeks workshop even more frustrated - Deepak

I put in my more than two cents on this thread. I think the jury is out on which model works for which scientific field until more people from more fields try it out. So far there are a couple physicists, chemists, one molecular embryologist :-) and perhaps some biostatisticians? but we need larger sample sizes and more representativity. Where are the astronomers, the mathematicians (presuming they even keep lab notebooks), the geneticists, the cell biologists...? - Heather

How long does it take comments to come up at Scienceblogs? I made two some five hours ago... maybe the moderators are still in bed or something. Grumble. - Heather

Can anyone point to an example of scooping? I don't think it happens nearly as much as people think, and as you all know, proper ONS uses timestamps anyways, right? - Mr. Gunn

@Mr Gunn: I can give you one example of an attempt, when a certain Prof Scumbag found out from my PhD supervisor what I was working on, he put a postdoc on the same question. Happily I knew the postdoc, and he just kept "oh, I haven't got to that" until I'd published! Note that I have no proof, you'd have to take my word for this. Similarly, stories abound: I don't think I've met a PI who didn't have a story of someone throwing together a sloppy paper to scoop their conference presentation. - Bill Hooker

...cont'd: Very seldom does anyone take actual action. All I did, after all, was sabotage the attempt: I didn't make a formal complaint. We all know why I didn't, but that doesn't make it right. I have only one example where action was taken: this paper (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.g...) contains this addendum (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.g...) only because a senior scientist complained to journal editors and so on. - Bill Hooker

...cont'd: For instance, I could point to a paper which contains a bunch of crap (I can vouch for this) because it was slapped together after A saw B's presentation at a conference (I can't verify this -- which is why I won't point to it). My point, and at long last I do have one, is that timestamps are only half the answer. The other half is a willingness to follow up, assuming good faith error but willing to lay on the hurt if there really is a bad actor involved. - Bill Hooker

I've heard about people slapping together papers after seeing a conference presentation, and conceivably one could do the same after seeing an online presentation about research too. Now the question is whether such slapped together papers end up in better journals and cited more than the more complete research reports. If the slapping together is done by a more well-known lab, I can certainly see this being a problem, but I can also see well known successful labs being less likely to be bad actors. - Mr. Gunn

"whether such slapped together papers end up in better journals and cited more" I think they usually do, because the culture places such a premium on being first. - Bill Hooker

Short-term, maybe, but long term, like over 10 years, would the sloppy paper be expected to have the most cites? Want to find some crap papers from 1998 and do a quick experiment to see? - Mr. Gunn

I'm always in favor of finding out by experiment, but I don't have time for that one right now... Thinking more about it, I would expect the sloppy papers to have a shorter half-life just as you indicate. Problem is, science is self-correcting on a long timescale, but grant/hire/tenure decisions aren't. I do like your proposed expt; maybe put it on a BioGang backburner and let it simmer a while? - Bill Hooker

I would add it to the wiki, but it seems that my registration has yet to be approved... - Mr. Gunn

Mr. Gunn when did you apply for an account at OWW? - Ricardo Vidal

Deepak posted an entry on business|bytes|genes|molecules

Great time on Day 1

June 27 at 7:06 am - Link

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Martian soil appears able to support life

June 26 at 6:13 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link

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Very preliminary, no details - but another small step to finding those microbes? - Neil Saunders via Bookmarklet