Your not alone, but I'm not with you. I'm on the other side. But, I don't hate you for having your opinion, I just don't agree with it. - mathew, keynote not lame
I cant see why you would be happy about it not passing. Now we all pay for their mistakes and we get nothing for it. - Aaron Krug
I too am glad the bailout, as it stands now, did not pass. - Dave Roth
Oh, I'm glad to see that then. I mean, I just don't think that there should be a limit to how much you can earn, or how much you can lose, in a democracy. This whole bailout thing is socialism, one step away from communism. I'd rather have a touch time getting by, having to rent out rooms in my home to friends so we can all "make it" instead of having the government owning these institutions. - Andru Edwards
The moment Dems tried to use it to question capitalism, it needed to die. It was their bailout. Fannie and Freddie are on them. - Morgan Warstler
I'm less upset that it didn't pass the more I think about it...it's painful but it could be necessary... - Live4Soccer
There are tons of people upset that it DIDN'T pass. I'm tired of government scare tactics being used to pass things that completely go against democracy. - Andru Edwards
it's very painful but it will be more painful for mainstreet if they can't come to an agreement and pass some form of the bill - David Ward
I'm with ya too - glad it didn't pass - the banks need to own up to their mistakes, not ask for the government to bail them out. - Les Zaldor
The damage is done folks, this bailout will only make it worse. The best thing to do is to prepare you and your family for the worst possible scenario when it comes to food and shelter. - Bwana
Your opinion seems a little over dramatic to me - Josh Smith
I'm glad the bailout died as it is now. The choice here is a few years of sucky times, or a few decades of sucky times. And the bailout would have achieved the latter, IMO. Serious changes are needed to fix this mess, but not the kind of changes this bailout authorized. - David Risley
It ain't Armageddon till I see a bunch of fundies floating naked through the air on the way to heaven. - Eric P
Perhaps Financial Armageddon was unavoidable. The recent outflow of wealth from the U.S. to other nations is simply astounding. The power of economics may very well be shifting, which is why the world will be a different place. - Ben Parr
It's a correction of an overheated economy based on speculative risky lending...a bubble....well, the bubble burst...there will be ANOTHER bubble...and it will burst...and so on.... - Live4Soccer
FriendFeed helped me achieve my first Google PR5 ranking - Glenn Batuyong
YEAH!!! Congratulations FriendFeed!! What an amazing and productive first year...very impressive!! So happy for you guys!! Thank you Robert for reminding us of their birthday and to appreciate their product!! - Susan Beebe
Thank you FriendFeed, Robert Scoble and everyone else that has made FF the useful and entertaining tool that it is! - David Ward
I must thank the Twitter outages for pushing me here. - Eric @ CS Techcast
I look forward to seeing how FF moves forward, very good service, thanks to Paul and the team for their hard work creating a very useful utility. - Jeremy Campbell
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FriendFeed is so useful that I don't even know what I'd do without it. Congrats on completing your 1st year FF!! - J. D. Ebberly
Wow, its hard to believe that FF is already a year old. - Josh Smith
It took you almost a year to get me onto friendfeed? Dude, WTF? - Alex Scoble
I predict that I will be unemployed by this time next year if my first month's activity on FF is any indciation of what the next year will bring. :D I joke. I think. - pea, hopeful for 09
Shannon: that wasn't even the private beta. That was the "are you a sibling of Bret beta," of which you were the only participant :) - Bret Taylor
"People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals sent a letter to Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, cofounders of Ben & Jerry's Homemade Inc., urging them to replace cow's milk they use in their ice cream products with human breast milk, according to a statement recently released by a PETA spokeswoman." - Tudor Bosman
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It's not a PETA thread until someone whips out "People Easting Tasty Animals". It's good there's no H in PETA, otherwise it would include Hitler. :-) - Jeff Eddings
Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't have any effect on sales. - Chris White
A very sensible move to reduce packaging, I wonder if this will filter across to other companies. I wonder how you could make it work with Desktops though! - Rory
Yes cool. Now I can request to have the FedEx driver to please login and kindly remove all the HP crapware before final delivery. Very cool. - Micah Wittman
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This is pretty cool. I seem to remember seeing a headline about it a few weeks ago and glossing over it. - Josh Smith
“Here's an idea not everyone will like: Firefox and IE should drop their rendering engines and switch to Webkit (used by Safari and Chrome). Then we wouldn't have the added annoyance of targeting three different DOMs.”
I'm sure someone will say something about "competition", but since it's open-source, they can continue to compete, just as Google has with their new JS engine, V8. Since everyone would be starting from the same point, they would all have the burden of not breaking compatibility. - Paul Buchheit
Microsoft would embrace and extend, creating WebKit Expression '09, and Firefox would only use WebKit 520 for the next 3 years, complaining that Apple and Google won't slow down their development to accommodate an 18 month development cycle. - Mark Trapp
NO -- webkit is at least poorly studied for security vulnerabilities, I don't want to live with swiss-cheese-alike crap from fruity company JUST because some few entrepreneurs want to make their life easier!!! - silpol
Extending the product is a good thing -- it's how the platform advances. As long as it's all open-source, we all win. - Paul Buchheit
It's not that everybody should like it. It's that they should all do it. - Louis Gray
Actually, that's already been discussed as part of the Gears' strategy... simply make Webkit a plugin for Firefox and IE. It's actually not *that* outlandish. - Chris Messina
Paul, the problem is WebKit is licensed under the LGPL; Microsoft could merely create a plugin to WebKit that did all of its extra features. They really wouldn't receive all that much flak about it, either. - Mark Trapp
@Chris - I recall that being mentioned at google code. I wonder what it would take to make a plugin for IE or firefox to use complete chrome processes as an 'accelerator' - Robin Barooah
Yeah, an IE "plugin" is the way to go. That way users don't even need to change their habits or UI, and it could potentially fall-back to IE for sites that still don't work with webkit. There's just no advantage to having different rendering engines at this point. It's high cost, low benefit. - Paul Buchheit
Didn't Netscape 9 allow users to choose which rendering engine they wanted to use? - Tony Ruscoe
@Tony: Netscape 8 did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... . You'll need to manually type the closing bracket, it is being excluded as part of the URL and I can't manually fix it. - nadim
for you all dearst proponents of single engine - go read "1984" book... dependence on one engine (or any subsystem, when it comes to that) for whole world is dangerous... and utterly stupid when it is done for sake of small group's convenience :-/ - silpol
@slipol - that would be true if we were talking about one engine developed by one company, but with an open-source project with many developers, I don't see how this could be a problem. Do you think that hundreds (maybe thousands) of developers worldwide will all collude to do something evil? Well, if so, some other people will come along and create a fork. In fact, WebKit was forked off of khtml. Let's not forget to thank the KDE folk for the good engine to begin with. - Robert Felty
Why would the two most popular browsers in the world change? - JTio
Rob, the problem that silpol is presumably saying exists with a monoculture is that everybody is vulnerable to the same diseases. This has happened in the past where security vulnerabilities in compression and encryption libraries have made huge amounts of unrelated software vulnerable. But Paul has a good point that a dominant platform certainly makes things easier for the developer, which is why there are millions more apps for Windows than any other platform. - Gabe
You are making a big discussion out of nothing. The hypotesis that if they all use the same basis, that will have the same DOM, they will be interoperable. That has been proved wrong: all the web browsers out there already have the same working basis (Web Standards) and still they messed things up. What makes you believe that this would be different? - ☂Marcos Marado
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Marcos, the difference is that they all started from very different places and IE and Firefox both have a lot of historical gunk. Web standards wasn't their working basis, the browser wars of the 90s was. The browsers have been converging for years now, which makes web development a lot better than it used to be, but that only emphasizes the uselessness of having multiple rendering engines. The monoculture argument is of course nonsense. Having three engines isn't going to make the world any safer, especially since they use the same base libraries. - Paul Buchheit
@Paul I can only assume that you proclaim monoculture argument as nonsense only because you've never seen domino effect on large scale, with species of slightly different nature still staying... I've heard same kind of argumentation from Opera people as they were bragging on idea of "one proper engine under one proper standards" only to show them a bunch of weak points in their cardboard architecture, granted I had apropriate tools. But... Whatever. - silpol
The monoculture argument is based entirely on analogy, which makes for nice stories, but is a very weak form of evidence. - Paul Buchheit
Paul, but if they really wanted to interoperate, i.e. If the browser wars were really over, then they would just stop the last few years nonsense and go for standards compliance. Why did Apple fork KHTML? Why does IE insist in not adapting standards? Ultimately what matters for both end users and web developers is that each browser sees the same page in the same way. It's fictitious to say that the way to acomplish this is making them use the same code (why not use your argument for Javascript?): the way to do this is simply to follow the rules - in the web case, standards. - ☂Marcos Marado
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Why bother with HTML, JS and others such standards then? Let's close up those shops and just standardize everything through Webkit. Which is great, unless if for whatever reason Webkit doesn't work on your device (or until the great Webkit fork). Let's standardize DOM instead, ne? :) - David Lee
Standardization is hard because there's a large amount of pages crafted specifically for quirks particular browsers. Going standard breaks them. - 9000
it sucks that it doesn't work on Windows Mobile yet.... ugh, I'm stuck in the stone age with IE6... - Harold
This conversation is so all over the place, I don't even know where to begin. All I can say is that 1985 wasn't as bad as I would have thought, seeing as it came after 1984. - Chris Messina
What's the point? You're still going to have to support IE6 for a decade anyway, and any new browser has to not break old apps. It's like those people who suggest that MS just replace the Windows kernel with Linux, as if all old apps will suddenly disappear, leaving the slate clean for all the glorious new apps to come. - Gabe
that's one idea i love! standardization, baby! - stefan
Until someone decides that engine is crap and writes their own? - Robert Konigsberg
It's definitely +1 for Facebook in the right direction, but killer? I don't know about that. Even with the Live Feed, FB remains somewhat insulated, Friendfeed is definitely about public discussion. - Mo Kargas
live feed is definitely cool - my problem with the facebook news fees is that there is too much noise - Josh Smith
facebook is a closed community both Twitter and Friendfeed have open public pages. Therefore Facebook live feed is not a twitter or friend feed killer by any means. - Kim Landwehr
I hate Facebook. Therefore others must hate Facebook. Therefore no. - Trevor
I like Facebook. I like FriendFeed. I like Twitter. Can't we all just get along? :-D - Grant Fitzgerald
I maintain Facebook account as a networking tool. Do I utilize it as much as Twitter, Friend Feed etc.? No. I mainly use it to keep in touch with people that are out of touch.. friends of mine that are deeply submerged in pop culture. There are Friend Feed and Twitter applications that I could apply to my Facebook account yet choose not to simply because my friends list consists of a gang of people that might be inspired to sign up for these services and then add me; people that I have no desire to follow; people that I'd prefer not to follow me. In other words I use Facebook as a completely different platform in which to communicate with a completely different scence-- High school acquaintances, cute girls and the like. Facebook is also a great way of saying "I'm still alive." - Brandon McCall
I'm with Brandon on this one. I use FB as a great tool to invite my local peeps to Community Networking Events with one blast. Bulk invites and Community Calendars actually work well where I live. Keeps people informed. Also, remember that everyone has a special learning curve. Not all are professionals, just people who like to stay in touch and find out what's going on with old friends, classmates and in their own Neighborhoods. Many people I invited to participate with me on FB are just regular, working class folks who have never even heard of FB - yep, never even heard of it. "I got your invitation, Laurel. What's FaceBook?" - Laurel Phelps LaFlamme
Welcome to LCWO.net - Learn CW Online! At LCWO you can learn Morse telegraphy (CW) online in your browser. You don't need to install a program on your computer, and you always have your personal settings available, from any computer on the globe with an internet connection. You can also easily track your progress by means of different statistical functions. Sign up for a free account (or use username "test", password "test" to play around) and start learning or improving your CW today Features - Koch Method CW Course - Highscores -- compare your results with others - Speed Practice (Code Groups, Plain Text Training, Callsign Training) - Convert text to CW (does not require a login) - Forum for user discussions and feedback - more to come soon... Beta Version, News 2008-08-20 - Added Italian, Czech and Spanish as new languages. Thanks Maury (IZ1CRR), Ludek (OK2IEN) and Pablo (EA1QL). 2008-08-14 - Added French and Portuguese as new languages. Thanks David (CT1DRB) and Gael. 2008-08 - Josh Smith
very cool. It's really neat to see each tag grow "real time" - Josh Smith
Ooh, watching the cloud is pretty addictive... Must. Stop. Watching. - Brad Brooks
its cool..but. I tried to look for words like "business" and it gave no results. Can it really be that no word "business" is mentioned in all that sea of Twitters or is that a bug? - Hayk
but it can be real irrelevant, just because a lot of commonly used words, like 'everywhere', will show up. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
... ask my friends to send me URLs via instant messenger or email and then download the content with wget and read in a text editor... than use IE 6.0 - Phil Crissman
This also looks like a "Battleship" tournament... Kevin, in fact, appears to be making the "you sank my battleship!" gesture. - Chris Reed
Great to see a company firing on all cylinders - Mike Doeff
Josh: the key is extremely large screens so you can't actually see the person in front of you. - Bret Taylor
Man, do people get sent to sit by the bathroom and public writeboard as punishment? - Stepan Mazurov
I brought a t-shirt to change into after biking to work, but I didn't bother. I might have made a different choice if I'd known it would be blogged... :-) - Kevin Fox
@Kevin: You match the rug and lamp so it's working. :) - Tsega Dinka
Awesome window into FF Bret. Really like the transparency and willingness to speak openly with the community and those who are critical of FF. Enjoyed that Qik inteview by what's his name... - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Wow you guys have really grown and your office looks more colorful than the "garden variety" Google office space! - Bindu Reddy
Keep up the good work. You'll all have corner offices soon :) - Andrew Smith
i hope one of those people is working on the "page 11" bug! - Ňicķ
I'm with Josh - I'd probably go crazy, no matter how large the screen. - Ontario Emperor
Wait, there's somebody on the other side of my monitor? - Casey Muller
im all up in paul's code now! and that guy in the orange really sits up straight - Allen Stern
I want to go and meet Bret, Paul, Dave, and the gang!! - Susan Beebe
I see nobody will finish off that Old Time Candy. As your mothers likely told you, you can't have more until you finish what you already have! - Louis Gray
Louis: we ate all of our favorites. Apparently no one wants to eat the wax lips. That was the best gift we have ever gotten, by the way. You rock, Louis. - Bret Taylor
Bret, but shouldn't the interns _have_ to wear the wax lips as some form of initiation? - Louis Gray
So that's where all my attention went! :-) - Robert Scoble
just 3 years old, but older ones look up to you, nice one kiddo - Dobromir Hadzhiev
~~~~~~ CONGRATULATIONS MIKE and TEAM !!! ~~~~~~ Excellent coverage and down to earth analysis... keep it up! (remember your famous "twitter" post??) I loved that post man! such in-depth analysis! wow! - Susan Beebe
WTG techcrunch. You have changed the game. now get some sleep! - Laurent Courtines
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