Now that i think about it, i see nothing wrong with them, i just got one [Pic] -> http://ff.im/ddbSy
- Fee501st
Fee: You fall asleep on the sofa...wake up later on, it's dark but there's light coming from the window, and one of those things is looming over you... GAH!
- Amy
Amy: they have there own light. didnt ya see the pic of mine?
- Fee501st
They almost look like futuristic Iron Maidens...with amazing bass.
- Jerry Perez
They still can't match a good pair of headphones.
- Dave Friedel
Fee: No, but congratulations! You just made them all the more creepy!!
- Amy
As I don't get to the cinema I've not seen many of these unless they have come onto DVD recently. The one I can think of Terminator Salvation, which was excellent. Other than cinema releases my movie of the year (which I think was released last year) is Seven Pounds. Such an emotional movie. Loved it!
- Kol Tregaskes
I think the only new movie I saw this year was Monster Vs. Aliens. Besides Kaminey, which I still need to watch, nothing has pressed me as urgent to view.
- Admiral Anika
Where is Inglorious Basterds or (500) Days of Summer? :)/Avatar
- Rez@
Then I might have to go with Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs
- Colette
The low voltage lights around my goldfish pond are beginning to be covered in snow, leaving a nice halo shining through. I'm loving the snowfall, its going to be an epic storm in my little corner of the world.
- jcunwired
Here's to hoping "egotistical fatso", as in "Scoble is an egotistical fatso" soon leads Googlers here--and they give to the food bank, too.
- Pierce Presley
Alright man, you asked for it, you got it... Scoble is an egotistical fatso (not that I necessarily believe that... #justsayin)
- Aaron Strout
Definitely ... too bad I don't know anybody famous.
- Brian Sullivan
When you give examples or tell a story, do you try to weave in famous people that you've met?
- Cristo
Brian, you must not be trying very hard then.
- Cristo
No, hell no, and definitely not. I know a handful but go out of my way to ensure their privacy is not violated. A big step is not bragging about knowing them. Besides, I feel most are better off because THEY know ME! :)
- jcunwired
Do you trust someone more because they say that so-and-so famous person told them something? E.g. As I was sitting next to Rep. X on the plane they said that the FCC is going to make Twitter the official US micro-blogging service.
- Cristo
I think getting to meet and/or hang with rich/famous people gave me an opportunity to get a perspective on what really matters (to me), so, in that sense, I think I've gained something as the result.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I wouldn't personally know. But knowing people from FF has made me a better person.
- Morgan Haley
Rodfather, the person who knows famous people, or the particular famous person?
- Cristo
Not a goal to meet them, but I'm related to a semi-famous person so sometimes I talk about him, but definitely not a goal.
- Jimminy Fuller
Famous people, no. Interesting people, yes. Some of the interesting people I've met happen to be famous, but that's not what I have usually found interesting about them. I've taken things away from those meetings that have made me a better person.
- Jennifer Dittrich
It depends on the person. And how much you let someone influence you. But I'd have the same answer if you removed the word "famous."
- Lo
Do you like to read blogs where the blogger is constantly talking about all the famous people they've met, as if that makes him an authority on everything?
- Cristo
If it was an entertainment blog, maybe.
- Rodfather
What about a technical & social media blog?
- Cristo
If the famous person has access and knowledge of pre-released products, maybe. Angelina Jolie had one of the Palm Pre test devices. If the blogger got some inside scoop on that at the time, then I would probably read it.
- Rodfather
I think knowing exceptional people makes one a better person. Doesn't matter if they are famous.
- Alex Scoble
It certainly hasn't made me one. A lot of them are really quite normal to tell you the truth.
- Itachi
Famous people are famous because of all the non-famous people who know them, right? It's only human nature to brag. Or so my good friends Tom Hanks and Albert Einstein say.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Only being a better person can make you a better person, and we each bear sole responsibility for our quality in humanity. Internet fame is better than "proper" fame because it ends when it's supposed to :-)
- Slappy Line
Somerimes Its good for me to talk to someboby rich or powerful or famous because I find out they have problems too, sometimes same as mine sometimes different but just enough so that money, fame and power didn't solve it all. This forces me to quit whining and man up. Of course visiting hospital has a very similar function ;)
- WarLord
The only reason I wish I knew someone rich and famous is to get into a suite at the football game Sunday and the bowl game on the 27th instead of sitting in the cold. Other than that, I don't really care.
- Alan Simpson
Alan, thanks. You reminded me there is football on tonight. :)
- Cristo
If you can learn something from "famous" then it will make you a better person but that can be said for any person. It all depends upon that famous person.
- ashish
I think Mona is the only one getting this. :)
- Cristo
Not a better person but more interesting at dinner. Especially if you slept with Tiger Woods. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
it can change your social status but it is ethically irrelevant
- barbarars
I AM famous. Y'all betta rekonize up in here. Holla at me in the VIP section.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I run into Burning Buildings and have done CPR on more dead people than most of you have seen "LIVE" people ,, does that make me a HERO ,, of course not ...
- johnpiercy
Robert, did you sleep with Tiger Woods? It doesn't seem like that exclusive of a club lately. ;)
- Cristo
Cristo: I slept with a Tiger, but I don't think I slept with THAT Tiger! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Prolly not but it can give an interesting perspective on things. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Told someone today, who isn't from Texas, that I ordered tamales for Christmas Eve. Their response was surprising: "Why in the world would anyone have tamales for Christmas?" It's interesting to see different ways people celebrate in other areas. We have tamales on Christmas Eve and a big family dinner on Christmas Day.
Good tamales are very good. Not that they're traditional xmas fare for my LA family. I'd probably be more into some really good beef enchiladas for xmas.
- Spidra Webster
My mom almost always hosted Thanksgiving and/or Christmas for the relatives. One Christmas she decided to change things up and did a Mexican dinner with enchiladas and tacos and a whole bunch of other stuff (no tamales, though, dangit). Everyone devoured it, but complained that they still wanted a "traditional" meal.
- vicster needs a nap
Right around the corner, in Marina del Rey, are some of the best tamales you can buy at Tamara's. The best tamales you can eat are the ones you make with friends/family.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Tamales are traditional here. When I was younger, I used to go to tamale making parties. I'm so used to seeing tamales on had tables that's always shocking when I run into people in LA that don't have them. On the flip, my Jewish neighbors in my old place always had Chinese food.
- Admiral Anika
Ritual is pretty important to a lot of people. There's just something about having certain foods to mark certain times of year...
- Spidra Webster
Josh, there's a great place near you that makes AWESOME tamales. You should try them. Spidra, we have a very casual Christmas eve, opening presents, just hanging out, so maybe that's why. The more formal celebration is the next day for our family.
- Trish R
A Christmas tradition could be anything. If your parents raised you on Xmas dinners of tamales, that would be traditional for you. My family has never had a traditional Xmas meal. That is, they've never stuck with any set menu. Whereas Thanksgiving menu is locked in. My mom makes a traditional kind of breakfast roll for Xmas and Easter breakfasts, though.
- Spidra Webster
Those Tamale things look interesting. When we lived on the mainland we would usually have a cold Christmas (salad, cold meats, potatoes etc) because it would be so warm.
- Bryce Roney
Bryce, wish I could send you and Mo some to try. They're awesome!
- Trish R
Hee. I never heard of that tradition until I moved to Austin. I order some every year from my friend's grandmother.
- Cheryl
Where are these poor, tamale-less backwaters? ;-) One can find tamales in Beijing, of all places.
- Christopher A Carr
Your response should have been: Because not everyone eats the same damn food for Christmas? Ughhh people kill me. It's just like it's a Panamanian tradition to eat pork for New Years dinner.
- Shevonne
Joel's family always makes tamales for Christmas, it's a huge tradition for them.
- Michelle Martinez
It all sounds good and is purely based upon traditions. I may be a yankee, but Tamales are always good and would fit in well with Christmas. Some Enchiladas and other items would add a nice selection.
- James Stratford
I go to my sister Vicky's house and we have mostly Italian and lots of desserts.........and sometimes on Christmas I have Chinese food ......
- VAL D. Zone
My Giftmas tradition includes cookies for breakfast (only day of the year that was ever allowed) and an enormous lasagna for dinner that is about 4x the size of a standard one. There is another tradition for New Year's Eve that includes homemade pizza baked in a 30+ year old electric tabletop pizza cooker handed down to me from my stepmother, who started that tradition when I was a kid.
- April Russo (app103)
that's a southern tradition too shevonne: pork, black-eyed peas or hoppin' john (black eyed peas with rice) and greens -- mustard, turnip, or collard -- on new year's day.
- tiffany
The Mexican market near work were taking pre-orders for holiday tamales.
- Rodfather
I shall endeavor to spread this holiday tamales idea up here in the NW.
- Christopher A Carr
We're planning on having tamales, it's our Mexican tradition!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
from iPhone
Here in Appalachia the common treat for Xmas morning is fried oysters. Not sure why, but since I like oysters I'll stick with local tradition (when I can remember to order them - they go quickly!0.
- jcunwired
I think everyone should plan a trip to Texas next year for the holidays and we'll all have homemade tamales!
- Trish R
Never had tamales on Christmas Eve, although I've heard of people having them. We often have homemade lasagna - you know, the kind that is a pain to make but is oh so good.
- Katy S
"In his latest syndicated column, Chuck Norris wonders if the Obama health care plan would have resulted in some dire consequences if it had been around in times past: Namely the abortion of Jesus Christ Himself, under the regime of "Herodcare.""
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
If Chuck Norris had been alive during Caesar Augustus' census, he would have roundhouse-kicked Herod and put Mary and Joseph in Herod's palace instead of a frickin' barn.
- John Craft
I can't even read this...what a nut job!
- Anna Lynn M.
all mp3. Anyone who says they can tell the different between a 320kb mp3 and flac is full of crap. I rip my cds.
- Daniel Morgan
I don't think it does, but I steer well clear of iTunes, so I couldn't tell you for sure.
- Christopher A Carr
Daniel, what do you listen to your mp3s on?
- Cristo
I don't rip to FLAC because I think I can hear a difference between FLAC and a good mp3, I just like to have an archival format from which to make mp3s...the CDs can then go in a box.
- Christopher A Carr
For music I care about, I rip my own CDs to 192kbps (CBR) mp3. For music I'm just interested in checking out, I'll download at 160 or 192kbps mp3. I listen to about 40% of my music on my Zune 80 device using the FM transmitter to play over my car stereo. The rest of the time, I listen to my music either through my computer at home (three speaker system) or through my bluetooth stereo headset on my computer at work.
- Curtiss Grymala
mp3 and flac, all downloaded (made my own rips long ago, it takes more time & effort)
- Mike Chelen
Almost everything I have is in M4A with a few MP3s scattered around. I ripped my entire CD collection and have been buying things from iTunes (and occasionally Amazon). I play everything through iTunes either on one of my computers or through our A/V system.
- Akiva Moskovitz
mp3 usually. have a lot of aac and wma too though. 99% downloaded. rip cds only for kids cds. listen on cds in the car, ipod, computers all around the house
- Itachi
I play all my music from iTunes, Sonos, or iPods. Sonos supports Apple lossless, which is why I'm considering it. About 90% of my music is ripped from my own CDs, 9% bought from iTunes, and 1% misc from the web.
- Cristo
Something that makes me sad is that the Sonos amplifiers aren't as high quality as what you can get standalone, but there is no alternative UI as good as Sonos for multi-zone audio. Unless maybe you use some super high-end Crestron system, which I'm allergic to both because it's so closed and overpriced.
- Cristo
I rip to FLAC or ogg vorbis for listening on my computer, and mp3s for my BlackBerry. FLAC is a lossless format and mp3s are lossy, so you could be hearing a difference, but the FLAC should sound just like the original.
- Tanath
from twhirl
iTunes .m4p mostly, but now, streaming via Spotify.
- Louis Gray
The library I listen from is MP3 and WMA. I rip to MP3 using EAC. I play most of my music from my PC
- LANjackal
High quality mp3 mostly, and iTunes purchased format. I generally listen to music in the car from my iPhone, my Linux box, or my iMac with iTunes.
- Beau Liening
from iPhone
I rip to FLAC for archiving, and convert to 192kbps mp3 for my listening devices.
- jcunwired
FLAC has been interesting me recently. Before that it was all MP3.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
See how it redirects to www.google.com/reader?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, my point is Louis's stats mean as much as mine do - there are way more factors that go into this, I agree
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, without demeaning you personally, this is false and ridiculous. FriendFeed is a domain, a specific one, and I chose the primary domain. Google Reader is a subdomain or directory, and you chose the one that, as you show, nobody uses. The Alexa data you showed for FriendFeed illustrated something that nobody is experiencing. This isn't gamesmanship. It's just wrong, again.
- Louis Gray
I have a hard time understanding the fights and points Jesse chooses to get into.....just baffling.
- Matthew DeVries
Jason - considering some use FriendFeed as a replacement for Google Reader it's not apples and oranges - they're competition.
- Jesse Stay
Really? Why on earth would anyone use FF over Reader? FF complements Reader but shouldn't supplant it. Is there really a constructive way to read rss feeds here?
- Jason Williams
Jason, many people do that - it always comes out when Scoble is threatening to leave Reader. It's also why your FriendFeed stats now show up with your Feedburner stats.
- Jesse Stay
looks like we gotta get louis to work more hours to get that chart moving in the right direction!
- Allen Stern
Amen Allen (that's the spirit)! I'd love to see more stability and more focus on core functionality, not the social features. More stats, more organizational tools, more sharing tools. Better UI. Less bugs. I would use it more if that were the case.
- Jesse Stay
Give me a better way to manage thousands of items a day and I'll read thousands of items a day. For now I've had to reduce my use due to how bulky and hard-to-manage it all is.
- Jesse Stay
for the record i rarely to never use google reader.
- Allen Stern
when friendfeed shows me full content RSS feeds instead of just title links, let me know. until then, I'll keep using Google Reader. that's the same notion that twitter is a replacement for it. I get it but it doesn't work for me.
- Bill Kinney
Jesse knows that I read more than 1,000 items per day and am connected to more than 1,000 people via shared item feeds. The graph above is not valid. Google Reader is a great complement to FriendFeed, and always has been. It's the vast majority of my feed. Reader is also, very flexibly, able to share to different sites, including Twitter and Facebook.
- Louis Gray
Yes, Bill. Jesse is just grumpy today. :) He knows better than to post data without any substance and try and get a faux argument going. He also is tempting me to post a SocialToo traffic chart and compare it to Twitter. :)
- Louis Gray
i think that louis and jesse need a "time out" - both of you to your respective corners for a juice box
- Allen Stern
No way, Allen! Not when there are great injustices in this world! :)
- Louis Gray
louis i just sat through 4 hrs of city council hearings at city hall - not once did google reader or friendfeed come up :)
- Allen Stern
Jesse, the difference is that Readers traffic isn't dependent on who else is also using it. As much as Google would like it to be, it's not a social tool. I can get my FF feed in Reader but not vice versa. Do you really get your "news" from FF? It's the same thing with Twitter. People try to make it a RSS replacement but it isn't no matter how much you want it to be. 140 characters might be ok for links and quick social commentary but in depth news, not so much.
- Jason Williams
Allen, but they did mention a series of tubes, at least in passing I'm sure :)
- Micah Wittman
*thinks of how to talk Jesse down from the ledge...* Jesse, Hi :) At best you are criticizing conventional wisdom web statistics in general and mixing it with a clearly flawed swipe at Reader. ### Now, carefully, come back from the precipice and live to fight another day.
- Micah Wittman
You guys are all proving my point - that this argument is just as crazy a claim as this one is here: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - you can't trust stats
- Jesse Stay
I use Feedly, which is off the back of Google Reader
- Ian May
Jesse, nobody has proven your point. The only point that has been made is that you made a mistake and tried to draw a parallel, and you failed.
- Louis Gray
Of course you can trust stats, Jesse. You just have to understand how they were collected, what they mean, and not try to use them to support some completely unrelated hypothesis. I've seen two graphs of US and global FriendFeed visitor stats that support two different statements... that US usage is down and global usage is up, respectively. The graph you've created for reader.google.com is irrelevant and immaterial, for reasons given above.
- Ken Sheppardson
I could be wrong, but a certain someone who pronounced FF as dead cited that new features in GR were going to kill it. Just sayin'. Also just sayin' - I'm with Louis on this one. The combination of Google Reader and Friendfeed have changed the game for me, bigtime.
- jcunwired
I'm probably in the minority but I have replaced Google Reader with FriendFeed. Pretty much for discussions like this one. I'm not sure I find the same value in Reader, I tend to bookmark and re-visit the same sites anyway. FriendFeed brings something to the table that a bookmark just doesn't. Reader, not so much. At least not for me.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
We need a UFC match between Louis Gray and Jesse Stay. The 9-lettered names of mayhem!
- beersage
I'd like to append my last post with, I still scan GR, so the previous comments about using GR and FF together as a powerful combination--in practice, if not in heart--I'm in agreement with.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
See what happens when I stayed in GReader (and some Twitter) all day, I missed a good thread. I read/skim a little over 1,000 posts a day, I'm not sure if I read more than Louis (42,597 items in last 30 days) but it's my information center. Friendfeed use to be my place for discussions around the news, since engagement has dropped here (for me at least), I've moved back to Twitter for a fraction of that engagement (FB for friends/coworkers/family).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I never knew there was a reader.google.com
- Richard Lawler
Almost all of Google's (non-acquired) properties can do both whatever.google.com and google.com/whatever which is very smart actually.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
On the subject, I must thank Louis, Jesse and many others that act as filters on GReader BTW. When I don't have time to go through the bulk, these guys help bring the cream to the top. I try to do my part in filtering for others but I feel that it's a team effort to bring the signal to others as automated filters aren't smart enough (yet).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Funny, I cut back on my usage of both services and the graph goes down. You can blame Scoble now. I don't use Google Reader anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Don't talk about yourself in the third person.
- Mark
I blame Scoble for the drop in the Twitter chart as well then. <smirk>
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My use has gone down significantly and I'm seriously looking for the perfect solution to replace it. Hoping Seesmic or Tweetie or Tweetdeck do that soon. See: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I now know Louis's Kryptonite - criticize Google Reader ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, please don't leave Gmail, because I still need that. Thanks.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse - I agree with your April blog post 100%. I also want to mention that Google Alerts is also a helpful tool for monitoring blog posts. (And without a doubt, most of us use it.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse, kryptonite would weaken someone if it were their personal poison. I am not weakened by your inaccuracies and stubbornness. :)
- Louis Gray
Anyone know what Feedly's numbers are??
- Roberto Bonini
it is still my best organic conversational real time tool...
- Yann Ropars
Is this a trend?? The holiday season and all?? What about Feedburner stats?? If RSS usage (i.e for RSS clients) is in decline (unlikely) it would show up there.
- Roberto Bonini
manieles: feedly's content is generated dynamically in the browser so the metrics you are pointing to are just metrics of our blog (most users download feedly from the mozilla (and now chrome) sites. 2009 was a good year for feedly: we grew 1,527% from Dec 08 until Dec 09. http://twitter.com/edwk...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ah, I guess that makes my comment above moot. There goes that theory.
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry Edwin, just like reader.google.com the compete numbers don't show the story of true use.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
No problem Mark (it happens a lot). Roberto: Feedly is still relatively a niche service compared to Friendfeed and Google Reader so your theory could be correct. I do not have visibility into the Google Reader usage information but I can say that the underlying infrastructure keeps on getting better and innovating at a very fast pace. They have the foundation for a distributed...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sounds like what I said about FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Friendfeed is down but they are not dead. It all depends on if Facebook will decide to invest and move the service forward or not. If they do not, at some point Twitter and Facebook will have a super set of the friendfeed features and at that point their will be no turn around possible. Friendfeed sold out too early.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Jesse is having an off day. Feedly is doing fantastically. Google Reader continues to have the #1 position in RSS and things are flourishing with their social features. FriendFeed has great technology and a fantastic community, but stalled momentum. Jesse should be in better form in about 5-7 days.
- Louis Gray
Would be interesting to see a metric that measures total number of posts having comments and likes versus total posts and compare that to the "glory days" of Friendfeed. How much different is the engagement now?
- Steve
Louis is basing his "FriendFeed is down" on faulty stats - that's the point of this thread. FriendFeed's just fine: http://staynalive.com/article... - I agree Reader and RSS are fine. So is FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Steve, you can always use FriendFeed's advanced search to find 100 comments and likes posts.
- Louis Gray
Jesse, discussing this with you is getting boring. That post was wrong and based on data even worse than the public information I used.
- Louis Gray
Nothing on the Internet is dead until the servers are unplugged and the information is not cached elsewhere. There could be 1 unique user on a site and it still could be very useful for that one person.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, that's correct. I covered that when I said I would still find value if I were the last FriendFeeder. What's frustrating about this nonsense of a thread is that Jesse made a mistake with his graph and continues to stand by it.
- Louis Gray
As did Louis (I'm not standing by this graph - I was making a point), and he continues to stand by his (about FriendFeed traffic being down)
- Jesse Stay
It is a waste of time. It also does not benefit me or the community to make high visibility of negativity around this site. That's why I posted what I did here previously, also knowing it tends to be written about and spun by other blogs.
- Louis Gray
I don't think Louis believes his graph is wrong - who's the stubborn one? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Congratulates Jesse and his graph for making my best of day on FF. I am not a fan of Google reader. the graph looks accurate to me and the feedback I see of GR.
- Mike Nencetti
Jesse: I am confused. It seems that the point you are trying to make is that graphs are wrong in general and that both friendfeed and RSS are fine. Is that correct?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Jesse, I believe that Compete.com data is not perfect, but it is the best publicly available data that we have. I also believe that the trends it portrays about this specific site are 100% accurate. Your data showing Google Reader at zero is laughable and an embarrassment to your reputation.
- Louis Gray
Mike, this didn't make "best of day". It made "most obtuse of the day". :)
- Louis Gray
Jesse: which metric would you use to determine if friendfeed as a service is up or down?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
It is not showing it at 0 - it is showing it at very low.
- Jesse Stay
Google Reader's traffic is hidden within www.google.com's data. Dare I add iGoogle for RSS feeds into that picture as well. However, Friendfeed's traffic is not hidden (for US Traffic) in Compete's numbers.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse relied on Alexa data (which is the ugly stepsister of Compete.com), and he suggested that Bret Taylor's graph showing a higher percentage of international users suggested growth, when, more accurately, it portrayed that US visitors fell away at a dramatic rate.
- Louis Gray
Louis: May be you and Jesse are looking at this from different angle and are both right
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Nah. Edwin, I will always support good data. :) This is bad data.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I never denied yours was based on US data. My point was FriendFeed was not down, which you claimed it to be.
- Jesse Stay
May be Friendfeed has a lot more persian users which are less active but nevertheless users. But over all Friendfeed has a lot less momentum and engagement because the early adopters have moved to twitter
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Jesse, I continue to claim that global traffic worldwide, including US and non-US traffic is down, period. And even if you were right, turning this into Orkut or Friendster is not a thing to be proud of.
- Louis Gray
Jess: the problem is that down is not as important as momemtum and innovation.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, again, you're showing the wrong state re: Quantcast - click the "all" link and you'll see something more reflective. They're down in the short-term (at least in the US), but not in the long-term.
- Jesse Stay
There' nothing wrong with Alexa from a world view. Just don't mix numbers between Compete, Quantcast and Alexa. Compete clearly shows the US usage has dropped.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis, I never turned this into a comparison of Orkut and Friendster - where is this coming from?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the short term is the start of the long term. You know better than this.
- Louis Gray
I am. Those are sites dominated by non-US visitors, contrasted with Facebook and Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I disagree the short-term is the start of the long term
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: One simpler question for you: do you think that there is a chance for friendfeed to regain momentum and flourish without an engineering team behind it?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely, but I think there will be an engineering team behind it eventually
- Jesse Stay
and there is an engineering team behind it currently, or it would not be able to handle the current traffic.
- Jesse Stay
Hmm. Do you have another example to point us to? Where will the engineering come from eventually?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Friendfeed is clearly transforming. It may gain momentum for a while until 'other services' catch up. However once a better wheel is made...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Edwin, absolutely not - there are numbers to prove it - whether it's still FriendFeed or transforms into Facebook, it will still be around, and serving way more than it is now.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook wanted the brainpower and that brainpower is not integrated into other facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower is still keeping FriendFeed running at the same time
- Jesse Stay
That brainpower still believes in FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I would listen to Edwin, and Matthew Davies, and almost everyone else in this thread.
- Louis Gray
Facebook is in a hyper competitive space, those brains are working 150% on facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
You can clearly see that the FF team is porting features into FB, they are attempting to have a friend of a friend system similar to FF. IF THEY SUCCEED, FB has become Friendfeed.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse, Bret is VP of Products at Facebook and working on Connect and the dev community which reaches 100x+ more people than FriendFeed does.
- Louis Gray
Louis I didn't say FriendFeed wouldn't transform into Facebook. I did say it wasn't going away and it would continue growing.
- Jesse Stay
But it is not growing, and that entire argument is dead right there.
- Louis Gray
It is growing, your argument is dead.
- Jesse Stay
I think that you are right that it is going to stay (that is a low hanging fruit) and it might grow in some geographies (like it does in Iran because of the network effect) and because it was ahead of its time in terms of conversation, the erosion will take longer but there is no doubt that with no engineering, it is a dead end.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is not growing but it's hardly dead. Wait, I'm on Louis's side on this...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AOL is apples and oranges - if Facebook stops growing you can start comparing it to AOL.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, that's fine. I don't think there are sides. There's what's correct, and whatever Jesse is doing.
- Louis Gray
Or whatever Louis is doing - he seems to think he's correct, which he's not (now this is getting repetitive)
- Jesse Stay
Too bad the friendfeed team did not believe in friendfeed the same way Jess believes in Friendfeed!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, the FriendFeed team saw what we all see and sold at the right time for a fantastic opportunity.
- Louis Gray
I will agree to disagree with Louis - that's about the only way I'm backing down on this. I believe passionately in FriendFeed, and I see no reason it's dying.
- Jesse Stay
Edwin look at how much the FriendFeed team uses FriendFeed - they still believe passionately in the service. They believe so as much as I do.
- Jesse Stay
(and I never said it was dying, nor did I say I don't believe in what was built here) Go find me saying that anywhere.
- Louis Gray
I don't get what you are saying Louis - what is your argument?
- Jesse Stay
Start from the top. (And read your DMs). The graph you show here has zero validity and it is in no way relevant to the graph you are discussing from last week, period.
- Louis Gray
All I know is that public statistics lie. Paul B knows the real answer for FF, as does Jeff Huber for GReader stats.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Okay, so your argument is that FriendFeed is declining - isn't that the same as dying?
- Jesse Stay
If you get the flu, do you always die, Jesse?
- Louis Gray
If you lose 20 pounds, is it guaranteed that you will eventually hit zero?
- Louis Gray
Louis, okay, whatever - I see no reason it's declining
- Jesse Stay
Then you are being naive and ignoring all the public data, plus anecdotal data from this site itself.
- Louis Gray
The FF sale is more than a flu, it's a handicap scenario. It makes it harder to see a perfect future.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis: I am not sure that facebook was/is a fantastic opportunity for the friendfeed team. Facebook connect is awesome but this space is still at its infancy and I am not sure that the centralized facebook/twitter model will be the model of the future. Friendfeed had the advantage of understanding search really well and being distributed at its core - great asset!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, not naive at all - I shared the public data publicly on my blog, showing backed evidence the site is still growing. Where's your rebuttal? Do I have to show this again?: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Using your links in your article, Jesse, Quantcast topped out in August and has fallen significantly since. And we already noted that the Alexa data, which is the outlier, shows a small upward trend.
- Louis Gray
Louis, your argument is it's falling short-term. My argument is that it's growing long-term. My data supports that. I'm definitely not naive and frankly I'm beginning to be offended you're calling me that.
- Jesse Stay
OK. Good discussion. I think that Louis and Jess should go get a beer and huge each other. Time to go write some code!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Yes, if you put the calendar back far enough, the trajectory is upward. Of course it is. And Edwin, I can't get Jesse to drink beer.
- Louis Gray
I agree that if you go over a 2 year calendar, traffic to FriendFeed has increased.
- Louis Gray
I guess I missed something... I've seen (1) Quantcast and Compete charts of US reach/visitors which says domestic use is down (2) an Alexa chart that says international use is up (3) a comment and accompanying chart from Bret saying "international growth has started to completely dominate since August (4) a pretty significant shift in the FFholic Most Active user list to international users, and (5) lots of anecdotal evidence from English-speaking users saying they've seen reduced (or stable) activity.
- Ken Sheppardson
...is somebody taking exception to any of those observations?
- Ken Sheppardson
But the entire thread originated with the Google Reader flat line, which was a mistake.
- Louis Gray
Yeah, I think everybody's just trying to ignore that at this point ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I just don't get why Jesse's trying to make this you-can't-believe-stats/charts argument. I think there's something in my list of 5 point that Jesse thinks is wrong.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse doesn't believe the Compete or Quantcast data showing a decline.
- Louis Gray
I don't think I ever agreed the above graph was correct - it was put there to show a point
- Jesse Stay
So you believe US usage is up, or not declining, Jesse?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I didn't mean you can't believe them - I mean they can often be deceptive
- Jesse Stay
Which is amusing, because the blue line here is identical to the same blue line I posted last week.
- Louis Gray
So Google Reader is going to be like GM?
- Jesse Stay
Ah... sorry... a light bulb just went off... showing a chart that shows US traffic is declining is deceptive in that some people who look at it might conclude that's overall activity, when in fact total, world-wide activity is steady or increasing.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's one of Jesse's theories, Ken. (Still doesn't explain the Google Reader non-sequitir)
- Louis Gray
If Google Reader is like a Unicycle, it's like the Honda's U3-X..... a very cool one!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm starting to piece this together... so showing reader.google.com traffic is declining when in fact total Reader traffic is up... ?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd agree with that theory. The World growth is outpacing US internet growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I just took a look at the graph at http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Turns out that although international reach is up as shown in your graph, Jesse, Alexa shows a 20% or so decrease in their pageview graph since the peak near August. More users spending less time...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that is short-term though, which was another point of mine. Long-term they still have an upward trend. It is still much too early to determine if they are declining yet. Maybe in 6 months you guys can all show me I'm wrong.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook bought FF in Aug, that throws a trendline in completely different direction. It's an inflection point.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, FF took a dip after that, but they recovered and went even higher than before the FF acquisition. I wouldn't call that an inflection point.
- Jesse Stay
Which chart shows traffic higher than before the acquisition (not counting the spike after due to curious people who never heard of FF before they read it)? Are you looking at Alexa's "Reach"?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yes, Mark... Alexa's chart of international reach shows that the % of worldwide internet users who are visiting FriendFeed is up. It's also the 47th most popular site in Turkey, 227th in Italy, and 412th in Pakistan. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mark, correct, which is more accurate because it compares visitors globally, not just US
- Jesse Stay
In fact Alexa says 20.7% users are from the US and 20.6% are from Turkey, and another 20% or so from Italy, Japan, and India combined.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right but the question would be what were those percentages between countries back in August? A shift in demographics needs to be adjusted by online population in those countries.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There's roughly 74M people in Turkey. For every 1% drop in US visits, about 4% would automatically gain for Turkey in the Pie Chart without a single new user in growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't believe they're breaking out the % of users in each country that are visiting FriendFeed, they're talking about what % of FriendFeed users are coming from each country.
- Ken Sheppardson
Strongly Disagree. Look at my coupon work site: RedPlum.com 92.2% are from the US. I highly doubt I have that much audience but I'd love for it to be true.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Disagree with what, Mark? That stat means for every 100 people who visit your site, 92 are from the US.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. It's a pie of % of FF visitors are coming from which country. We are on same page.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yeah, sorry... I switched from "reach" to the user breakdown midstream there.
- Ken Sheppardson
So as I was saying, a 1% drop in US visits moves Turkey up 4% when you factor populations and no new additions.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
To tie that together with Compete's US view, the US audience dropped 20% in last 90 days so Turkey would naturally rise in the pie chart regardless of new user growth from that country.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Actually digging that information a bit more, only 21.1% of the Turkey population uses the internet so the spread would widen even further.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
What a ridiculous discussion! It has already been said: the stats are apples and oranges. Let's look at the comparative numbers for internet users who are brain-dead versus those who can type. It would appear graduation from grade school bans internet access.
- Douglas Hopkins
Best comment, regarding THE NET: "If you don't want your parents or grandparents on the Web, have them watch this movie and they'll be terrified,"
- Steven Perez
THE NET is pretty much the worst movie about the internet ever. But for sheer cheesetasticness, that scene in JURASSIC PARK where the girl navigates around a "UNIX" system by flying around a digital city of blocks really had me on the floor and gasping for air.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Independence Day isn't a 'tech movie', but it does have one of the worst tech-related scenes in it.
- Michael R. Bernstein
However, here are a few additions you should consider: Lawnmower Man 2, Cherry 3000, Firewall.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Johnny Mnemonic wasn't the greatest of movies in general, but it shouldn't be on this worst list.
- jcunwired
Re: Independence Day -- what, they didn't like the virus with the skull and crossbones?
- Brian Chang
I stopped reading at "bad movies, bad tech" and saw Antitrust at the top of the list. The movie may not have been great, but it had some good tech in it. Promoting Linux and even used a handspring palm device (<3). As for Jurassic Park, as lame as it was, I stumbled across a project around 1996-97 that had been trying to do something like that and in homage to William Gibson's concept of Cyberspace. I forgot what the project was called but I doubt it worked out. But still!
- Arlan Koizumi
Johnny Mnemonic was a William Gibson short story. Just goes to show, Hollywood can ruin anything.
- Victor Ganata
Michael: I only saw one (didn't have search skills), it's good to know there were more! But, did they all die? :( And yeah, William Gibson was disappointed with how Johnny Mnemonic ended up. I'm ashamed to admit this, but I bought New Rose Hotel. :( Don't do it.
- Arlan Koizumi
AJ, I'm not (necessarily) saying the sites themselves are suspect, but that they might allow bogus or flawed reviews. E.g. the owners of the businesses are asking friends and family to write positive reviews, or the group of reviews is heavily skewed by an attribute not primary to you, such as budget travel or dining.
- Cristo
I do not trust any one website and use google to find out reviews elsewhere.
- ashish
I don't trust any site or review completely or automatically. I read each one individually and try to use my Critical Thinking Skills to figure out how much I trust what I'm reading.
- Rochelle
Rochelle, that makes sense if there are only a few reviews, but what about if there are fifty? Do trust the stars on one site more than others? Do you just ignore the stars?
- Cristo
I ignore the stars and only look at the text. People (especially on Amazon) give things one star (or low stars) for the stupidest thing. "I"m only rating this one star because UPS didn't deliver it on time!!!!" or "I'm rating this book one star because the font sucks!!!!!"
- Rochelle
@Cristo: I think Buzzillions.com has a pretty decent system since most of their reviews come through relationships with retailers using their PowerReviews product. Essentially, they verify that the person is buying from that retailer when capturing the review. I suppose you could game it, but the sheer volume of reviews they get filters out most if not all of that noise.
- AJ Kohn
Something else I find flawed with current review sites is the stars don't reflect the timeline of the reviews. A restaurant might have a new chef and be greatly improved, but it will take a long time before a lot of bad reviews from the past are weighted with new reviews to reflect that.
- Cristo
We had a local issue with yelp - the owners of a successful Indian restaurant got into a fight and split ways, creating two restaurants. There was suddenly a barrage of negative reviews for both. Local investigation determined that it was false reviews and contacted yelp several times. They did nothing about it. Yelp's permanently off my list. Amazon reviews is one (of many) I do typically trust, but none of them exclusively.
- jcunwired
Amazon reviews are also a mess because people buy products through the Marketplace (used) and then leave reviews on the original, new product. "I bought this book but it smelled bad and had folded pages and the cover was dirty. One star!"
- Rochelle
"Alright...I don't care if you guys believe me ... it's real. This is the the most embarassing thing that I've ever experienced... it was a horrible night for me.. and I'm sharing it with you guys because I don't want any of my misc brahs to have to go through this.. especially since it all could have been EASILY prevented. I have added MS paint images so that you have a better idea as to what happened. It's very long, but I'll do my best to recount all of the important details. no ****ing cliffs..... read it to save yourself from something like this..."
- AJ Batac
from Bookmarklet
Hilarious and tragic at the same time lol :(
- Jeunelle Foster
I read that and am still digesting it. If real, that dude doesn't really need to be in public. I mean, as a guy, how is peeing in bottles MORE sanitary than just going in a toilet? Come now.
- Admiral Anika
"No Rest At The Cisco Disco If the wild Cisco channel has any importance to you or your business, boy, was this your year for a white-knuckle ride. No sooner did Cisco throw its weight behind a full-on data center play with the Unified Computing System (UCS) than it upped its focus on small business, swallowed up some of the hottest video companies around, stuck its fingers in smart grid energy, consumer products and other, as John Chambers puts them, "adjacencies," and, oh yeah, publicly called out the world's biggest technology company and said, "It's on.""
- jcunwired
from Bookmarklet
"This new 3D format will be at the forefront of consumer electronic maker’s race to launch 3D products in 2010. The format is already being finalized by the Blu-ray Disc Association, the standards group behind Blu-ray. Once it is released, consumer electronic manufacturers will be ready to go. At this year’s IFA consumer electronics fair Sony said it would launch 3D compatible TVs in 2010 along with 3D gaming on its PlayStation 3. It also promised 3D-compatible Blu-ray Disc players dependant on finalization of the new format. Other companies including rival-Panasonic are also looking to launch 3D products in 2010."
- jcunwired
from Bookmarklet
While playing WoW the other night (I'm a noob) I was thinking of this arcade game. Thanks for the memories!!
- jcunwired
It would be hilarious if your character in WoW would shriek and yelp like Dirk does.
- Victor Ganata
When I first tried that game at the arcades, I thought the objective was to get the guy killed because that's all I ever seem to have been able to do. And they were intricate deaths too.
- Arlan Koizumi
Im in the movie Braveheart btw if any of you have seen it. Every single Scottish citizen appeared in it. Im in the scene where they lift the kilts. Im 4th from the left, 2nd row.....
Does anyone have a link to a company which sells this as a poster? I had it a couple of years ago, and even purchased one similar from them, but I would really like to have this on my wall.
- jcunwired
dear jcunwired , I am sure I will go for you
- Hamsafar
"Thursday afternoon we filed a lawsuit against Fusion Garage in the Northern District of California Federal court. The causes of action include Fraud and Deceit, Misappropriation of Business Ideas, Breach of Fiduciary Duty, Unfair Competitition and Violatioins of the Lanham Act. The complaint is embedded below, or you can view it here."
- Itachi
from Bookmarklet
Warning btw: They seem to be deleting unfavorable comments on the article, so FYI
- Itachi
we'll have to see how this one runs. Some of the initial disclosure suggests Arrington hasn't managed it well.
- winckel
Popping popcorn for this one, it should be good. From my perspective, at the very beginning I thought this was a stupid idea for an unnecessary device, and even had it been perfection it would have been a money-losing venture. In looking at what Fusion is pushing as the end device, I think I was right - ugly and klunky.
- jcunwired
By the way, engadget is reporting that there is no lawsuit yet. Arrington blowing steam (again)? One of the comments has it right - probably an effort to block the product's release, 'cause he hasn't got a prayer of winning a settlement with his published argument.
- jcunwired
Who cares. Dumb idea, really goofy looking device that would have lost a ton of money for both parties anyway. Stick to pushing rumors Arrington, its what you're good at.
- jcunwired
Uggh, we should get together and have a few drinks. Isn't living in a construction zone just wonderful? :-/ My house is entirely open floor plan on the first two floors, every inch of that 2600 sq ft of living space is covered in dust!
- jcunwired
Books? Try video games. Now, if that dumb ol' girl will get out of the way, I think that's a vintage copy of halo behind her . . . WHAT?!?
- John Craft
I think movie audio will all be 7.1 but probably a limited offering in music.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Mark, when do you think most movie audio will be 7.1? I'm thinking 99% of blu-ray is 5.1 now, but I could be wrong.
- Cristo
I found this list of content releases for 7.1 (and other) audio formats: http://price-adjustment.com/BLURAY-.... There's more than I thought. Now that I know the Jonas Brothers concert is in 7.1, I'm definitely building out a 7.1 home theater. ;) The new Star Trek movie, however appears to be in 5.1.
- Cristo
I've wondered about this too, great find on the link posted! I'm surprised there is that much available. I wonder if its studio-specific?
- jcunwired
Also interesting in the list, there is a good bit more content in DTS format than Dolby, I would have thought overwhelmingly the other way around.
- jcunwired
That kind of surprises me. Most theaters have side speakers. It seems odd not to take full advantage of them for a sense of emersion.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from fftogo
5.1 has side speakers. 5.1 = 3 front, 2 side, 1 back, 1 sub. 7.1 = 3 front, 2 side, 2 back, 1 sub. Really the difference between the two is nominal, so a lot of audio engineers might think it's not worth the time to encode a DVD in 7.1. A good receiver will artificially create 7.1 from a 5.1 DVD or Blu-Ray pretty well.
- Luke Stay
My two cents: If your A/V receiver already supports 7.1, I say why not use it. Surround speakers are typically much cheaper than their usually larger counterparts. Honestly though, most people probably won't notice much of a difference, especially if they're not using digital, optical, or HDMI audio. Standard RCA will never give you the full DTS/Dolby experience.
- Luke Stay
Can't say but 7 speakers would look ridiculous in my small family room.
- Rodfather
Rodfather, but they would sound AMAZING! :)
- Luke Stay
sorry, just realized my math doesn't add up. I was thinking 6.1 for some reason. Disregard my previous comments. There is a HUGE difference between 5.1 and 7.1. The side speakers make all the difference. Even if the DVD/Blu-Ray is not encoded in 7.1, the receiver will be able to fix it pretty well. I say at least go for 6.1.
- Luke Stay
The reason I'm asking is that I found a 10 channel preamp/amplifier that can drive two 5.1 surround sound zones. If I'm not sacrificing much, I think that would be super cool. So far, I don't think I'd be losing much. Maybe I can set it up to do 7.1 (or 7.2) when I'm not using the second zone at the same time.
- Cristo
If you can do that, I say go for it, but having the option for 7.1 in your main viewing area is well worth it.
- Luke Stay
Luke, the two statements you made are somewhat opposite. The real question is, if you had to make a choice between 2 x 5.1/2 synchronized setups or two separate 5/7.1/2 setups, which would you choose? Keep in mind, if you have separate setups going at the same time, they may well be offset from each other and thus there will be a very annoying echo. It's too bad they don't have anything that offers 12 surround sound channels for an amp instead of 10.
- Cristo
How long is the run to the other zone?
- Luke Stay
They are both about 30 feet away from the media closet.
- Cristo
earthquake makes a 16-channel one.... it just depends on how much you want to spend on an amp. actually the system my ex-girlfriend runs in a local amphitheater is 256 channel. :P
- mjc
Ideally, I would do two separate setups just so I could have the 7.1 in my main viewing area. If you can send HDMI out to the second setup, there shouldn't be much of a delay within the same house. That option, however is very expensive, and the cost may not be worth it to you. See if you can find a high end home theater store that will let you sample the difference between the two and decide if it's worth the cost.
- Luke Stay
Luke, there is already a delay with different HDMI dests in my house. It's the speed of the processing by the dest device. Multiple A/V receivers is much cheaper than this dual-surround sound preamp/amp.
- Cristo
Personally, I don't care much about my second zone. I run my second feed through a VCR, converting the signal to coax to use throughout the house. For me it's a matter of where I do most of my movie watching/music listening since I'm the only one that cares in my house.
- Luke Stay
I'm doing video distribution throughout a loft, which has lots of open spaces. It's not the typical setup, and I care about both surround sound zones, which may both be going at a party, or if my wife is in one zone and I'm in the other. I have 4+ flat screens and speakers in the walls and ceilings everywhere.
- Cristo
sounds like the 5.1 dual zone system is the best option for you then until they come out with 7.1 dual zone. hearing a delay from one zone to another would get old fast.
- Luke Stay
Luke, I tend to agree, except for the $15k price tag. :)
- Cristo
Haha, yeah, that's not exactly pocket change. Does your video distribution use any signal amplification? Would that speed up the second system?
- Luke Stay
The HDMI switch does not currently have the ability to delay a particular dest, although they are considering adding that in future hardware and/or firmware.
- Cristo
you might consider putting a distribution amplifier somewhere in the system, see if that helps.
- Luke Stay
Well, I'd really like to have discrete control over the timing, because some of the TVs are dumb, and output their own sound, which is variable speed.
- Cristo
Sounds like you're in the future, waiting for the present technology to catch up to you. :)
- Luke Stay
This reminds me of that 'résumés in plain language' site that was around during the dotcom crash. It presented this kind of language in actual, real language (but in a snarky way, of course). It was hilarious. This probably would be translated into 'I can have conversations with people. Even people not on my own team!'
- Akiva Moskovitz
I understand, Joe =) But seriously, if anyone knows of a job where I can get paid for talking like a longshoreman, lemme know!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The verbiage around my shop is salty enough that sometimes I wince.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I soooo wish I could 'effectively interface across all levels of the hierarchy'
- Holly Rae
ha. can i adapt a version of that for my own resume? :)
- edythe
The famous "geek-non geek translation" ^_^
- Roberto
from iPhone
<pedant>"to effectively interface" is a split infinitive.</pedant><Elmore Leonard>Using adverbs is bad.</Elmore> "I am fluent in Geek and Muppet"
- sjjh
Tina, I sooo meant that in a serious way. If I ever need interfacing skills, I'm coming your way. :)
- Holly Rae
Tina, have you found any particular websites with good resume/cover letter advice? I think I need to think again about mine and since you've done so much research recently....
- WorldofHiglet
...and I am totally amazed at how much work you have put into finding work. If you ever get the chance it would be really interesting and inspiring if you get chance to document your journey back into employment (because it can only be a matter of time before you land a job).
- WorldofHiglet