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Best Buy flyer from 1996 - http://holykaw.alltop.com/best-bu...
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I sold computers at Computer City during this time - this is a great blast from the past!
- Jesse Stay
I love the "telephone answering system" and "full duplex speakerphone" on the Packard Bell system. :)
- caj needs a haircut
RAM Doubler FTW! :)
- Joe D'Andrea
I was working at Best Buy on the day that 4 MB memory sticks dropped at $40. We had a run and sold out of them in like 4 hours.
- Otto
Look at all those beautiful CRT's.
- Hookuh Tinypants
PRAISE BE!!! - TiVo app jumps from iPad to iPhone, adds support for Series3 and HD DVRs - http://www.engadget.com/2011...
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I hear rumors that it's kinda crap. That makes me sad :(*
- Jonathan Disher
Jon, where did you hear such profoundly incorrect rumors? The app is indisputably awesome.
- Stephen Mack
Well, Kim downloaded it on her iPhone 4, and immediately went "yuck".
- Jonathan Disher
Android? :)
- Louis Gray
...and what are all these jars doing here where the doors used to be?
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I liked it so much I put it... on Facebook lol
- anna sauce
Leeloo laugh.
- Yolanda
That is my new facebook picture - thanks for the idea anna sauce.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
You don't understand. The door doesn't BECOME a jar; the door IS a jar. The door is still a door, even while being a jar.
- Gabe
@johnpiercy - fan=admirer or the ceiling/table fan(the one that circulates the air, keeping it cool). The joke is that you become/are turned into a table fan and not the former.
- Space Cowboy
Holy smokes that was funny! Bookmarkleting to Facebook as well.
- Mark Davidson
*facepalm*
- Ted Russ
I just made this my Facebook profile pic. The more I think about it, the more I like it.
- Laura Norvig
Most excellent
- Kevin L
For pete's sake Apple, if you're trying to keep the present a secret, don't leave the receipt on the dining room table
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iPad 3.2 beta 3 SDK shows more evidence of an iPad camera: http://www.ipadinsider.com/iphone-...
- Kevin Fox
"Update: Apple just pulled Beta 3 because of a major bug." Heh. I wonder if they fire an engineer every time a Camera string leaks into the iPad SDK.
- Matt M (inactive)
Like when an angel gets its wings?
- Josh Haley
Technically the iPad SDK is wrapped in a confidentiality agreement. Luckily since my iPhone Developer membership expired (they don't tell you that you only bought a 1 year membership until it expires) I don't have the SDK and can re-share all the best tech gossip from other sites.
- Kevin Fox
*shakes fist* It's always a fine line between what's under NDA and what's not.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, [redacted]
- Matt M (inactive)
Hypothetically speaking, while I hypothetically am hoping this to be true, it's not hard to imagine one of the Photos developers forgetting to uncomment out the conditional that says "use this set of tabs for the iPhone, and this set of tabs for the iPad" if Photos was, hypothetically, a universal app that ran on both devices.
- Mark Trapp
I think the tab might just be for using the SD card and USB adapter accessories to import photos from your digital camera.
- Darren Delaye
If this graphic sends awesome chills down your spine, you might be an old time mac geek.
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Ah. Back in the days when you got a bona fide manual. And an audiocassette/floppy disc "tour" of your new Mac.
- Spidra Webster
This is even Pre-System 7, isn't it? My first Mac ran 6.0.2. Some machines at school were Fat Macs with an internal Hyperdrive (10 Meg HD), running System 4.1 I believe.
- DGentry
Dude, this is freakin' System 1.0. 1984 and all that.
- Kevin Fox
Is anyone else surprised that the iPhone can't print? PDFs, docs, photos, web pages and email. Why can't I print them over wifi?
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Printer drivers aren't easy.
- Stephen Mack
That was the one feature I missed within like a week of getting it. There are programs that do printing, though: they all kinda suck.
- Mark Trapp
There was once a time when generic printer drivers could handle most printers, and you'd use specific drivers to get all the quirky functionality of a printer. Worst case, how hard would it be for the iPhone to fetch the proper printer driver on demand?
- Kevin Fox
Do printer drivers even exist for any printers for the Iphone O/S -- I am guessing not.
- Brian Sullivan
What do you mean it can't? My old PPC could print, as long as I was connected to my computer. But that was literally like a small computer in my pocket. Do you mean like my Instinct? I can't make my current phone print, but as long as it's connected via my computer, either by cable or Bluetooth, I can print files or photos from it.
- Anika
Sooo, customer is not just happy to have cut 'n paste now? Sheesh. :)
- Micah
The iPhone OS is based on OS X. If they could build printer drivers into the Newton at launch, you'd think they could do it for the iPhone. I'm just stunned that none of these super smartphones can print a PDF. Heck, Windows Mobile can print. Droid?
- Kevin Fox
Swamp Thing: that's a pretty lame excuse. If I'm taking my iPhone with me as my sole computing device while traveling, it's lame to suggest that it's powerful enough to handle your email and check you in for your flight, but shouldn't reasonably be expected to be able to print a resume or a boarding pass.
- Kevin Fox
I've seen an app or two for that
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, HP has an app that lets you print photos, but no app can let you print things you can only see in other apps. An app that would let you print email attachments would have to implement an email client. An app that would let you print a web page would have to run its own browser. Printing is a service, and only Apple can write services for the iPhone. It amazes me that they haven't yet.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, good point. It's weird it's not native. Is it supported in Android or Palm?
- Jesse Stay
I'm sure it's on their list, but remember, if they launch it, they can't just launch printing for Macs. They have to support Macs, PCs (including at least 3 flavors of Windows), and probably Linux too. I stand by my original point that it's not easy to do this. I bet it's on their road map, though.
- Stephen Mack
Stephen: Huh? I'm talking printing for printers, not Macs, PCs or Linux boxen. Jesse: I don't think it's supported in Android and it's not in PalmOS. Dunno if it is in Pre.
- Kevin Fox
There is a Bluetooth printing profile. The iPhone in general has pretty poor bluetooth profile support compared to what you get in Symbian or Windows Mobile. Apple sees Bluetooth for a single purpose: wireless headsets.
- Ray Cromwell
Kevin: Oh, you want to connect the printer directly? I just assumed you wanted to take advantage of shared network printers via WiFi.
- Stephen Mack
"Is it supported in Android or Palm?" - PalmOS had it - never used it. There's an app called PrinterShare http://printershare.com/mobile... , but I haven't tried it.
- John Craft
Stephen, I want to connect to printers directly via Wi-Fi. To the extent that some printers have computers acting as their spoolers those computers are supposed to have interfaces that mimic the printer, so anything printing to it shouldn't care about the difference, much less what OS the spooler is running on.
- Kevin Fox
Johnny, what's the semantic difference? Of course it's possible for the iPhone to support printing, but the current software does not, and Apple's third-party app structure is such that a third party can not implement printing as a system-wide service, opting instead for very narrow, limited solutions.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, this isn't my area, but I haven't seen that working with any device. At your house, my XP laptop can't see your Mac-hosted printers, for example. (Or is that because you don't share them, or because XP is lame?) Do you have any portable devices that do handle printing to any type of WiFi printer the way you want?
- Stephen Mack
I also disagree with the demand argument. How is printing not a consumer task? Gauging the utility of a service based on its demand is limiting and often wrong. It presumes the user knows, a priori of the existence of a feature how much they will want it and use it. History has shown that this is never the case for groundbreaking products. [Insert Henry Ford's allegory about people wanting a faster horse.]
- Kevin Fox
Stephen, you can't see my mac-hosted printer because it's on the house's private network, and the wifi network you connect to at my house is outside the DMZ. If you were on the private network you'd be able to see and print to my printer from your XP machine without any problem.
- Kevin Fox
I see. OK, shared printers technology across OSes has advanced a lot further than I realized.
- Stephen Mack
Johnny: When I say "the iPhone can't print" I mean "iPhone owners cant print from their iPhones". In this context, can't is a limitation. The iPhone can't print because Apple hasn't written a printing service for it. The first part is a limitation. The second part is a choice.
- Kevin Fox
Different strokes for different folks. I have yet to have the need to print anything out from my iPhone. The things most needed to print? Coupons, which I just pull up on my iPhone and the cashiers are more than willing to type in the coupon code. I even chance to say one scanned the barcode from the display, but I have a sinking feeling that was just a fantasy. Choices are great but...
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- Arlan K.
Kevin, the iPhone doesn't have a dial-up modem either, and its support for wax cylinder recordings is woefully bad. Paper is obsolete! Didn't you get the e-memo?
- ⓞnor
Thank you to my 50,002 followers. Look through my followers here and compare to my Twitter followers and what do you notice? I see fewer spammers. Fewer bots. Fewer social media experts. Thanks for joining me on FriendFeed! It has been an awesome two years!
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YAY!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Down with bots, spammers, and social media gurus! Up with geeks! A big thumbs up on behalf of my fellow FriendFeed fanatics.
- Dennis Jernberg
I love geeks and FriendFeed has them in droves.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
are u going somewhere ;p
- ciw
You're welcome ;-) A question though, where do you think we geeks will congregate next? I'm thinking that since Facebook now owns the Friendfeed devs, FF will eventually starve to death... hopefully not.
- Roberto Teixeira
But I notice a lot of users interact on FF via Twitter not directly on FF. Also FF faces tough competition from the likes of Posterous and Tumblr which offer more functionality with similar ease of use as FF.
- Roger
Roberto: Not so long ago this very FF post from scobleizer would get something about 300+ likes and 150+ comments. Sadly, FF users are surely looking elsewhere.
- Arvind
FF is ok, but its not the be all and end all Robert.
- Micky
Arvind: yup. Foursquare! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Friendfeed wins
- Ashish
I too think that friendfeed is still a winner... people that left just filtered themselves out of my conversations. They are no longer discoverable here to me. Their loss (imho)
- Chris Heath
Your welcome :). Friendfeed really really is awesome
- alfred westerveld
Yes Robert and Friendfeed is massively technically superior - Makes it even sadder that the platform here's being ignored by the new owners.
- Jim Connolly
Robert - I love the community and friends here on FriendFeed. I am so happy I was on FF in early 2008 and got to experience it's wild and wooly growth path. Chatting with you and all these cool geeks is really fun. I've learned TONS from you guys and I truly appreciate the friendship too! :)
- Susan Beebe
I agree, way less marketing gurus and spammers =)
- Brodie Beta
In my experience, I've been using ff more rather than less since the fb aquisition. I don't see why I would migrate to another community ATM. To me, Friendfeed is king. :) King of social media, that is.
- Friendfeed's Francisco
Me, I'm sticking with FF for the foreseeable future. I'm even going to do my part to promote it, at least to my (right now) 1K+ Twitter followers.
- Dennis Jernberg
Friend Feed is the Future Robert and you just may be our Faithfull leader! :)
- Warren Daly
Word.
- Gary
Thank you, Robert. I have learned quite a bit from you-and you have created/moderated some tremendous discussions/issues. Best wishes to you and your family.
- Harold Cabezas
zachary check their subscriptions against their subscribers and you might have an answer there
- ffcode
yup! there is a decline...don't know what friendfeeders are upto...foursquare might not be the complete answer
- ffcode
I'm still here. I tried doing the Google Reader thing. While it's a great reader, I think it SUCKS as a social platform. I still use it, but I don't expect as much out of it as I used to. FriendFeed and posterous are what I like best for what I do. Facebook is getting a little chaotic for me. I've made lists, but I think I need to start pruning... LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED!
- Kimber Scott
U do like normal folks like us, who does have a life, like having hobbies such as movies, taking pictures, making jokes and listening 2 old radio jokes on the Internet lol...and wondering why spell check doesn't work somedays
- polou/indigo_bow
Has it really been 2 years? OMG that was fast.
- Elliott Ng
ROFL! No bots; just wait! The bots are coming, they always come.
- Brandon Smietana
In twenty years I would be surprised if the bots were not more human than the humans. "Statistical Natural Language Processing: When Humans Fail the Turing Test", coming to a research journal near you!
- Brandon Smietana
Incredible, awesome, amazing Apple keynote - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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supercut of every superlative [via]
- Andy Baio
My (at the time 14-year-old) son argued porn and censorship with a FCC Commissioner and people are up in arms that the President is talking with their kids? This country is just so idiotic sometimes. I guess they forgot what the last President was doing on 9/11. That is right, talking with school kids. Sigh.
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Amen, Mr. Scoble, Amen.
- Michael
It amazes at all of the lows people do to bring the President down. It's rather pathetic.
- Minu Nianda
Heaven forbid anyone just step back and thinks people could be up to a couple good things, good grief.
- Chris
Sadly, I think that (general) America has forgotten that every society before us has crumbled, be it from war, poverty, starvation, political dispute every society has fallen. It's just a ticker now as to when we follow suit.
- Adam
Please. I have no problem with our President talking to our kids. As long as I'm in the room as well in order to call his BS. No matter who the President is at the time.
- Chris Kalaboukis
completely different - bush was reading to students - not pitching his agenda. read the paper the dept of education sent to the schools. and you liberals forget the last time a president spoke to school kids was in 91 when Bush Sr talked about staying off of drugs - and you liberals screamed and yelled that it was inappropriate. now its ok. i love the liberal hypocrisy.
- Tony Kanzia
Chris: you sir are an idiot. You can do that at home.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Typical liberal - if you don't agree with them, then you're an idiot. What a shocking response.
- Tony Kanzia
I took my son to see a Whitehouse and President I despised.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Chris, you think teachers are any less fallible? Do you accompany your children to school and sit with them throughout the day to call BS on things a teacher might say as well?
- Andru Edwards
This is all so ridiculous. If you don't agree with what he's saying, teach them to be proud of that opportunity, teach them to listen to their President, and then talk to them about the things you don't agree with when they get home. Don't conservatives believe in family values any more?
- Jesse Stay
Tony: I live this stuff. Have you taken your son to see a President you didn't like? I have.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Chris & Tony, thanks for being on hand to demonstrate the exact kind of intolerance that Robert is talking about.
- Jeff Harbert
what i think got everyone up in arms was the curriuculm that went along w/ the president's speech. while this has since been taken down, people feel they are being told from the government what to teach their kids
- Jonathan Jesse
E Pluribus Unum - "Out of one, many". Once the President is chosen, we all have to unite. We don't have to agree, but he is still the representative of this nation and we should respect, and be proud of that.
- Jesse Stay
Tony how is Obama pitching his agenda to kids when he's simply telling them to stay in school? Give me a break.
- Minu Nianda
I find it even more fantastic that parents don't think their kids can think for themselves.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Teaching our kids not to respect the President takes away that unity. If we don't agree, we should instead be sharing what we don't agree with, not removing the opportunity altogether. This is ridiculous! (note that I was saying the same thing to things the liberals were doing to Bush as well)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse Stay- You hit the "nail on the head" so beautifully!
- earl wallace
Complete idiots are people who think that their kids hearing a few words from ANYBODY are going to hold sway over the impact of their parents, their environment and ability to think freely.
- suecosby
@tony i agree with you on most of the comment. the problem with the speech i had was the accompaning lessons, since removed from the d ept of educations website
- Jonathan Jesse
You know, I just read the speech, and I don't see ANY political agenda in it, much less a liberal one. "And that's what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself." Sounds pretty conservative to me. Read it here: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009...
- John Craft
Jesse Stay - Amen!
- Minu Nianda
Jonathan: the "offending" lesson was what could you do to help the President.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@jesse i don't think anyone has said anything about teaching their children to disrespect the president, just that they don't agree w/ what he says
- Jonathan Jesse
Let's all join hands and recite the pledge of allegiance. Come on. I know you want to.
- Sean Montgomery
from iPhone
Jonathan: I disagreed greatly with what Bush did but I still took my son to see him and meet with his Deputy Press Secretary.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jonathan I see people flat out telling their kids they can't listen to the President. That sounds like disrespect to me.
- Jesse Stay
Maybe school SHOULD be about learning where other people are coming from.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It is up to parents after school to teach them their own values.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
In Arizona, kids have to get permission slips to listen to the President. That's disrespectful to me.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: it is worse than disrespectful. Where were theywhen Bush spoke to kids?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jesse: yeah. Gotta have a permission slip to learn.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Let's see, how does it go? I pledge allegience to Robert Scoble...wait that's not it.
- Sean Montgomery
Robert, you're absolutely right... but I can't help but wonder where the promises were from this administration on working across the aisle and having full transparency. I think this administration has provided the fanatical opposition with all the ammunition it needed to take situations like this and blow them up. Once again, I agree that all children should be able to hear the President speak without opposition. I just think this administration is blowing the PR front.
- Douglas Karr
@robert i think the heart of the problem is what you stated "Parents should teach values" and i don't think that is happening whether political, religious or moral and too many people are relying on the school system to do so.
- Jonathan Jesse
Helen Sventitsky- I just read Obama's speech and I don't think I could have put it any better' I do not detect any undercurrents or subliminal manipulation. I heard the same advice when I graduated from high school.
- earl wallace
Robert - I'm a conservative but agree with your original point. POTUS should be able to speak to students. You have to acknowledge that if W. had tried to do the same thing (national satellite address) to students, liberals would've been just as outraged as many conservatives are now.
- Paul Goldsmith
Paul: You're flat wrong.
- Jeff Harbert
I think @Paul is correct, FWIW.
- Kurt Starnes
Let's face it - there's a significant portion of this country's population that, if Obama gave a speech about puppies being cute, would launch into an apoplectic rage randomly spewing the words 'liberal' and 'socialist.
- John Craft
Paul: you are wrong. Bush spoke to students and I don't remember anyone so angry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Yeah...who is he to define cute.
- Sean Montgomery
John Craft: lol
- Minu Nianda
Really? Bush gave a national address to school kids? I honestly did not know that.
- Paul Goldsmith
@robert, Bush 41 spoke to students in '91 and there was opposition from the Dems.
- Kurt Starnes
Kurt: I will take your word on that. That is stupid too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This is an amazing opportunity. Until now it simply wasn't possible for a single President to speak to an *entire* nation of school kids. Until now it was only possible to do it in person on a school-by-school basis. When I was growing up it was an extreme privilege to have the President visit your school. We should be embracing that! I don't care if you agree with Politics or not.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt: so, where will we be in eight years?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kurt: will we have a better country where kids are encouraged to learn and think critically or are they going to learn that politics is like sports?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
There was opposition from Dems in '91, but there was no ranting and raving that Bush Sr was going to indoctrinate school kids.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
@Robert Watched a great documentary on text books and our kids are NOT encouraged to learn and think critically. They are misguided. That's one of the key downfalls with our education system... which is controlled by people trying to indoctrinate their own beliefs and avoid criticism from any extremes.
- Douglas Karr
It's funny I've been so inured by the idiocy, venom & deception coming from the White House for the past 8 years I have a hard time even grokking there are people who don't view the new guy as a massive breath of transparent, humanistic fresh air. And also that a US president talking to our kids could be a bad thing. Altho the guys in this thread who disagree may not be idiots, generously I would at least characterize them as "Fox-addled".
- Thom Kennon
@Robert - I'm with you on those thoughts re kids learning to think critically. I may not agree with Obama on many things, but I would encourage my Daughter (almost 11 y.o.) to listen to any of his speeches. I do think there is some hypocrisy on this school speech issue, though. FWIW.
- Kurt Starnes
Just for the record, I think it's awesome that the President has the opportunity for a national address to students. Great opportunity for the President and children alike.
- Douglas Karr
1991: "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," the New York Times quoted House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.). "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'" Decent article on the history of these school speeches here: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs...
- Kurt Starnes
@Thom transparent? Like the close-door, one-sided bills that have been rammed through? Stop watching Fox OR MSNBC. Start reading http://factcheck.org/
- Douglas Karr
BTW, I wasn't following the Bush 41 school speech in '91, but would think the opposition to Obama is very likely much more heated than it was for Bush 41.
- Kurt Starnes
Kurt: OK. So where will we be in eight years? Will your guy speak to school kids?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Robert - I don't have a guy or a party that represents me (See Jesse's sentiments). :-\ In an ideal world, Presidents would speak to kids apolitically and all parents would support such speeches. And I would ride off into the rainbow on my white unicorn.
- Kurt Starnes
@Kurt @Robert Everyone should have the right to speak and be heard... what are we teaching our children through censorship of our very own President? Regardless of whether or not his speech is political, it should not be fought. He is OUR President and OUR childrens' President. PS: Robert... don't you mean in 3 1/2 years? ;)
- Douglas Karr
I just had to laugh at the person who said Obama was transparent. Wow. Don't read much do you? Obama just made sure 8 months of Presidential White House visits will remain secret. How about those meetings with drug companies, huh?
- Spencer
@Douglas - I generally agree with you. But, just as Obama has the right to give the speech, folks have the right not to listen, even though I think all should listen. Some conservatives seem to have missed the point that neither schools nor the WH require *mandatory* viewing! Folks still have a choice and this, to me, makes all of the protestations seem so silly.
- Kurt Starnes
Scoble++ I wish I could fave this post.
- Tanath
@Kurt we agree... and I also don't fall for the rainbows and unicorns.
- Douglas Karr
In fairness, I think the ONLY real objections were over the slip that the president wanted children to tell him how they were going to help him. Most people don't like the idea of indoctrinating children. They didn't want their child coming home to harass them about why healthcare reform wouldn't pass, etc. This might be a paranoid nutter fear, but for all the political manipulation many parents are used to via their children. My children are constantly bringing home political notes about taxes, funding.
- Jason Nunnelley
This whole debate is sorta silly. If you don't want your children indoctrinated, then listen what the man has to say then give them your opinion -- teach them the value of free speech which is to let all ideas out into the world and let the good ones stand. Taking your kid to the White House to se a President you hate? Makes perfect sense to me.
- Dean Rodgers
Wait a second don't we spend years indoctrinating our kids on everything from how to eat properly to what sports team to follow? I guess it's just other people's indoctrination we don't want them exposed to? ;)
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, duh. :)
- Jason Nunnelley
Eoghann, // I AM NOT COMPARING THE PRESIDENT TO THE KKK // But, how would you feel about your child attending a meeting where they taught that certain races were immoral, corrupt or otherwise less worthy. Sure, you could just explain that the bigot they listened to was wrong. But, children are impressionable. That's exactly why we work to brainwash... ahem, excuse me, train them young about things like pollution, recycling, civic responsibilities, etc. It's why schools have them to recite the pledge.
- Jason Nunnelley
For the record, I'm looking forward to my children listening to the president. It will make for good dinner conversation.
- Jason Nunnelley
My point is that sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be "indoctrinated" is a ludicrous position. Of course they will be indoctrinated. That's why we're sending them there! The objections to Obama's speech that I have seen are entirely party political and not motivated by any real concern for social or moral damage.
- Eoghann Irving
Jason, FWIW I did attend a meeting that told me exactly that when I was about 11 at a local baptist church. There was a book and tape burning afterward. My mother was mortified when she came to pick me and my sister (9) up. Neither my sister nor I was 'impressionable' enough to take what we were told at face value, and we had a very lengthy conversation with my mom about what we thought...
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- FFing Enigma
@Jason: you hit on something crucial. There's a lot of white folk (especially here in the South) that do not want the president to talk to school kids, because it may just empower black kids.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Eoghann Irving, well sorry. I reserve the right to choose what indoctrination I subject my children to and I don't much care whether others think I'm backward or ignorant for reserving that right as a parent. I consider one's refusal to exercise that right cowardly. Even allowing my child to attend public school, and attend the Obama presentation is a decision that is mine to make. I won't whine or complain. I'll take physical action to stop people from doing anything to my child I don't like.
- Jason Nunnelley
Tina, I can't defend the position taken by a minority of paranoid parents that their children shouldn't be exposed to the president's presentation. But, I do defend their right to be notified and that decision belongs to the parent. I think withholding your child's attendance is a poor decision. But, I think the suggestion that parents don't have the right to direct their children's education and experiences in childhood is unacceptable in a "free" society. I determine who trains my child, nobody else.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason Nunelley, I'm curious where you think I said that you didn't have the right to raise your children any way you see fit. Or that it was ignorant or backward to reserve that right. I don't think I made either statement. My point remains that this isn't about any real concern for the welfare of the children. It's a politically motivated stunt.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, you said "sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be 'indoctrinated' is a ludicrous position." That statement indicated to me that you think taking action to limit said indoctrination is likewise ludicrous. The rest of my statement wasn't aimed at you personally or your comments but more the generic conversation. There are lots of people openly calling concerned parents racist and stupid for even suggesting that the curriculum shouldn't be political.
- Jason Nunnelley
What I'm trying (and perhaps failing) to argue is for people to give the real reason they are pulling their children from school. It's not because they're "being indoctrinated" which is a vague phrase that has negative connotations which makes it hard to argue against. It's because of something specific. And the reason they're not giving a clear reason is that it isn't really about the...
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- Eoghann Irving
Rene Wirtz, this is a major disconnect between reality and perception. People who don't like Obama's tactics aren't all racists. They're not fearful that black children will see his example and obtain an education, get a better job, etc. They're fearful that Obama's policies will usher in big Orwellian government. I'm hopeful that Obama will inspire black students. But, I don't want his legislation to pass. I'm also southern, but that doesn't mean I'm a bigot.
- Jason Nunnelley
jason totally onboard with your statement, though i know it will get me some less than lovely responses. i definitely do not want Obama's policies to to become embedded because I think they are the wrong ones, not because I want to see him personally fail. I think the best chance for the country to succeed is if his policies sputter
- Zachary Adam Cohen
Eoghann Irving, I agree with you. The Republican "protect the children" spin is disgusting. But, I disagree with you on this idea that none of the parents are sincere. A significant number of parents don't like having their children used as pawns. I tire of it in my redneck, backwoods southern town (so you can all assume it's because I'm a racist :). My local school pulls this crap...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Though I consider the reaction these parents have to be bad. I respect a parent's right to opt out of a political stunt. Do I consider the firestorm the Republicans are fanning a political stunt? Of course. But, I don't automatically assume the parents are insincere, or racists. My kids are enjoying logical discussions on why some of the president's desires are noble and some are less so.
- Jason Nunnelley
@Jason: I wasn't calling you a bigot, far from it. But I can see and hear from my relatives there is a deep seeded mistrust. And it is doubly so, because Obama is black and because he is a "socialist", two things that are not very popular amongst the mostly Republican voter base. I do want him to go a progressive course, but to call Obama's political course socialist is laughable at best.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Rene Wirtz, I knew you weren't calling me a bigot. It's the southern comment I'm chastising. Since we're both in the south, I think we should be careful not to further feed this idea that southern people are bigots. It's just not true, at least no more so that Californians or New Yorkers. If J.C. Watts had run and won the presidency, these same relatives would love him. It's not a fear...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I think we need a "back to school" czar.
- Spencer
I straight up asked my daughter what she wanted to do and her response was "I'd rather do something else". But how about this - I respect the president's right as president to address children in the public school system, why can't MY right to not have my 7 year old daughter listen to it regardless of message be respected?
- Michael Koby
@Michael - Good point.
- Kurt Starnes
@Scott - You think they're nutty, they think you're nutty. Ain't America grand? :-)
- Kurt Starnes
Isn't it interesting how the "left-leaning" commenters cometely ignore the fact that it's the Dept. of Education lesson plan that people were upset about.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Robert: I didn't ignore that and I'm left-leaning.
- Robert Scoble
Scott, in fairness I think you know they changed it due to public feedback.
- Jason Nunnelley
It might be more worthwhile to have Al Franken teach them how to draw a map of the United States.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
does anybody think that, independent of what obama is going to talk about, it's not the president's job to address the nation's kids and this is not appropriate for thim to do in a free country? http://masstrovato.tumblr.com/post...
- Il fu mass
How do you get from people being upset with a lesson that insructs children to write an essay on how they can help spread the President's message to them being racist?
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Scott, (answering q1) Bill Ayers, though people may argue Obama didn't actually associate with him. Jeremiah Wright, though people will argue Obama attended church for twenty years and didn't fully understand the lessons Mr. Wright preached. Obama's nominee for Green Czar, Van Jones, though I realize people will claim that nominating someone to a cabinet position doesn't mean they agree politically.
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott, I sincerely appreciated Mr. Wright's willingness to be honest about his message. While Obama tried to pretend he didn't understand that message, or that the preacher didn't mean what he said, Mr. Wright had the courage to say that Obama had no choice but to disassociate himself from that message but that he stood by his statements. I don't like Mr. Wright's message, but respect that he has the guts to say it and stand by it.
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott (answering Q2) Originally, the president intended to ask students to participate in an exercise to describe how they would help the president. I view this as relatively innocent, but some do not. That has been changed in reaction to public response. Now, though I find it innocent, I don't like it. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott, I don't have a problem with his present version. But, pretending people are reacting to the version out now and ignoring the history that brought this controversy to most people's attention ignores the true motivations. I'm just suggesting you should consider the reality that your link isn't the source of the controversy.
- Jason Nunnelley
I think kids in all 57 states should have the opportunity to hear him speak if their parents don't object.
- motownmutt
I had forgotten what Bush was doing that day. That is a great point. If I remember correctly, wasn't the book he was reading to the kids upside down? Or is that an urban myth?
- Mike Kirkeberg
Agreed. Robert. Kids today are more evironmentally concious, know whats right and wrong and better perspectives of life, bring on anypne who wants to talk to them, there is no guarantee that they will listen as they are independent :)
- Shashi Bellamkonda
The reaction to Obama's original plan is not in a vacuum. The movement to recruit children and young adults into new nationalist organizations concerns some people. It's not so much right-ring Republican types, but more the anti-government types. Pretending this is a flame alone in a desert isn't intellectually honest. http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch... << The rhetoric that spikes the concern.
- Jason Nunnelley
Your son sounds like a genius. You sound like a liberal elitist. Sometimes liberals are so annoying. Sigh.
- practicehacker
Thanks for the links, Jason. I knew some Norwegians who I believe served one year mandatory military service. I thought it served them well.
- motownmutt
This administration is serious about engaging young people in quasi-military service. Its cabinet members talked about it openly during the campaign. You can pretend that didn't have an emotional impact, but that's just hiding your eyes to reality. That rhetoric set the stage for the sensitivity you see today over something as innocent as the president encouraging students, even to...
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- Jason Nunnelley
hi Robert, wish you can have a look at this: http://reader2twitter.appspot.com
- kang
the President is not just talking 2 kids, he wanna the kids to be tech wizards I hear? I wouldn't mind Prez chatting with kids but talk 2 what they wanna @ least
- polou/indigo_bow
polou/indigo_bow, you might want to actually read the speech before assuming anything.
- Jeff P. Henderson
my thoughts exactly
- Wardell Latham
sometimes? I do believe 95 percent of the time
- Braden Douglass
Interesting in consideration (if it's not already been linked here) http://friendfeed.com/kregger...
- Jason Nunnelley
We should print up threads like this and share them with our kids. Let em see how people with opinions and passions discuss stuff. Good practice for filtering out Presidents --- and teachers, and parents, and professors and cops and newscasters and Jon Stewart and Rush and the deli guy and ...
- Thom Kennon
Jason Nunnelley, Seems that just further backs up my argument that this is a politically motivated and cultivated hysteria. Doesn't surprise me that it's been tried before.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, I live in a bedroom community in rural Alabama. We're a 70% Republican community. I've not heard a single parent complain about the presentation - not one. The only thing I've heard is reports that the original message contained a curious question from the president to the students, and the president (being much better a man than his political activist supporters) removed it to avoid the conflict. There is no [widespread] fear about Obama's presentation to students.
- Jason Nunnelley
Eoghann Irving, this idea that there's widespread panic over the president addressing students is akin to Sarah Palin claiming David Letterman joked about someone raping her daughter. It's a stunt. But, that's different from the hand full of people that have legitimate concerns about this administration's "statist" tendencies. And, I continue to encourage people to avoid dismissing...
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- Jason Nunnelley
citing Bush talking to school kids on 9/11 is not the best evidence that it's a good idea. Sigh
- Michael Markman
Wow, @scobleizer fail on this one! http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion... Democrats wigged out so bad, they even had an investigation of Bush's speech to a single classroom! I still think you're right - it's idiotic to get all up in arms. But looks like (as usual) both sides are just as guilty.
- Douglas Karr
It's Pathetic* The Repubes + Brainwashed Flock have shown Time + Time again that it's Their Way or the Highway - they don't even want People to THINK!! Scary + Frightening Poop*
- Billy Warhol
My childrens' school didn't run the speech today. I am so embarrassed. I completely missed this one. Since I don't listen to hate radio or watch the news, I thought I was up to speed based on the more cerebral conversations on this topic. I thought the whole controversy was already squashed when the president dropped the assignment "what can you do to help me," which I thought was...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I'm back to my original reaction to the vitriol on both sides of this conversation. Politics is for suckers.
- Jason Nunnelley
When I first heard that people were up in arms about the President speaking to school children... I thought maybe I had fallen into prolonged sleep and was not aware that Hitler was at the head of state again. Plz people. Can we get to what the REAL issue is at hand... and I don't like to play that card ... but sometime it's just too obvious when THE CARD is being played from the other side.
- Jim Turner
What is at stake here is not the fact that the President wanted to speak to the kids--that is good. The issue was that it was framed as how we can help the President (hint, hint--his agenda)--and that my liberal friends is what the commotion is about. Obama is about the most disingenuous President I have seen in all my years of closely watching politics. He had the audacity to say that...
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- Sean O'Reilly
Apple limits us to 100 beta testers - you find a lot more bugs when a few million people use the app then when 100 people use it.
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joe, speaking of bugs... loaded up fine... browsed the news feed, and commented once... then went to homescreen and tapped on friends... hung up and crashed... opened up and tapped friends again... crashed... then wouldn't open up again just crashed on open... deleted and re-synched and all is good... just fyi
- Chris Heath
Maybe Apple never heard the one about a billion eyeballs and shallow bugs or whatever. ;)
- Chris Messina
totally with you...btw, great job on the Facebook app. we've experienced similar situation with our app and we're only just under 2 million downloads...
- Scott Magdalein
I agree. The UDID limit makes pre-release beta testing an ineffective way to find bugs.
- Scott Ludwig
from iPhone
Facebook for iPhone 3.0: approved and available. Thanks, everyone, for your patience.
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Augh! Not available just yet!
- Kevin Fox
Still showing 2.5 for me. :(
- Otto
"All Apps Are Up to Date" Dangnabit!
- caj needs a haircut
Still 2.5 here too.
- Jérôme
This app store debacle has ceased to be amusing. I think all free app developers should release their stuff on Cydia as well, in protest. Thus, those of us who jailbreak can be ahead of the crowd. Sorta like Google's beta. ;)
- Otto
Got it! Okay, *delete* the current app on your iPhone, then go to the App store and download it again. It says it'll be 2.5, but you'll get 3.0.
- Kevin Fox
Wow. Notifications are *awesome*. Someone liked an entry while I was using the application and it popped up at the bottom.
- Benjamin Golub
Yep, removing and redownloading did the trick.
- Otto
I've renewed my commitment to Twitter. Upped the ante. No longer willing to tilt to favor of Brand F.
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I guess Dave won't be on FriendFeed anymore?
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer - Of course Dave will be on FF -- his Tweets bleed through you and others as friend of...
- Stephen Pierzchala
Are you talking about a phone called the Tilt or FF? ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Chris: Heheh.
- Mark Czerniec
I'm pretty sure Dave is nonplussed by FriendFeed's continued development of SUP. Yesterday I thought that was small-minded of him, but my wife pointed out that I'm not in a great position to judge the man who brought me RSS.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
That's Brand F, not Brand FF.
- Mike Reynolds
which would be facebook ;)
- alphaxion
Since Dave hasn't been here yet, I'm growing more and more suspicious.
- Robert Scoble
The anticipation for Dave's next blog post is building, eh?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Good on you for taking a stand. As much as I love FF I have noticed a curious lack of interest in creating export features and other "user choice" stuff. They also ignored @socialmedian's pleas for an FF interface for months and months.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
My next blog post will be about netbooks. I said some other things here that I deleted. I don't want to pick a fight. I like using this stuff and making tools. I'm not leaving, but I'm also not going to (as I said) tilt in favor of FF, as I was. I can't afford to do that.
- Dave Winer
Dave has declared FF 'service-non-grata' just weeks after they implement a feature he specifically asked for. priceless.
- MikeAmundsen
Dave rightly points out that my 'service-non-grata' quotes are not his, but mine.
- MikeAmundsen
I don't understand.
- David Lloyd
Mike, thanks for being so reasonable. Just curious -- what feature did they implement that I might have missed?
- Dave Winer
Daniel: Judging ideas is different from judging people. The idea that SUP is inferior to rssCloud and weblogs' changes.xml is just an idea. It isn't Dave Winer's identity. It might not even be a fair characterization of his opinion. I eagerly await him speaking for himself.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
You're right, Bruce. I was too quick to judge.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I'm really bored with these public but completely vague "I'm quitting you" statements. Dave can do/say whatever he wants - but I'm thinking if you are quitting and there is a reason - tell us the reason... don't make vague open-ended statements while publicly announcing you don't support something... Just Saying...
- Brian Roy
Dave: Oh, I agree with that. I'm on Twitter, my blog, Flickr, Qik, Kyte, and once in a while Facebook. I should show up there more too. I see where you're going, cool. I can still follow you here anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Bruce, I'm not going to debate this here, or hopefully anywhere else. However I wrote a piece about prior art in 2003 that might provide context. http://bit.ly/klys
- Dave Winer
Dave: i'm referring to FF modifying their RSS parsing and display options based on your blog post here[http://www.scripting.com/stories...] and Louis Gray's FF thread here [http://friendfeed.com/e...]
- MikeAmundsen
I saw someone post something really quickly here and delete it, but I won't out them. It's just funny because I refresh the page here so often I see this stuff happen in real time.
- Robert Scoble
based on your blog post [http://bit.ly/RsuQ]
- MikeAmundsen
I just watch the "real time" feed :)
- Eric Rost
Brian: Look for the "I'm not leaving" comment, the 8th above yours.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Eric: I watch my real time feed once in a while, but generally it moves so fast that it really distracts me.
- Robert Scoble
Aww shucks Robert. Now we're interested and are checking our caches...
- David Petherick
Andy: don't be rude.
- Robert Scoble
Mike, thanks for the pointer. I appreciate that they tried to listen, I think they genuinely expected me to like what they did and for that I feel sad that I was not able to like it. I think I must frustrate them. But I still had to use the API to get the service to perform the way I needed it to, so it was for naught, if their goal was to please me. I never know why people do the things they do Mike -- it makes it hard to judge them, so I try not to. :-)
- Dave Winer
Are gifts customary in a recommitment ceremony? It's so hard to remember all the social network niceties.
- Todd Hoff
i also note this thread: [http://bit.ly/b5KCa] ann. the custom RSS feed. Jason W's comment seems out of place due to a delete.
- MikeAmundsen
Dave, I read your article on prior art. The Unix line editor whose name you couldn't remember -- what could that be other than ed?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
It was the editor that does 1,$p
- Dave Winer
I'm not important enough for it to move too fast :)
- Eric Rost
Yes, 1,$p is an ed command.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Dave - I like you and will follow you where ever you post your stuff. I can tweet a reply back to you here in FF, facebook, twitter / tweetdeck...your blog, it's all good. :) What made you steer away from Friendfeed, just curious?
- Susan Beebe
Agree with Susan, I have Dave piped into FriendFeed, Twitter, Google Reader and probably other places as well.
- Mike Reynolds
Dave, feeds should be as capable as the API. If something is missing or broken, please let me know.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, the only thing I notice the API enabling that you might want to do with a feed is to give each thumbnail its own link. I'm not sure if media:content is the right element to use for that, or if some other element would be better. Note I'm only answering your question; I'm in no hurry for this feature.
- Bruce Lewis
@Digado I am not paid one dime by FriendFeed. I wasn't paid to talk up twitter, or Facebook either. Yes, I'm obsessed.
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The fact that HRC cancelled her media appearances this morning is a very good sign that she's going to get behind Obama now.
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I find it hard to believe HRC will concede until the DNC at the very earliest. Her self-interest needs outweigh the Democratic party at-large.
- Scott Jarkoff
As an outsider....she looks a bit mental doesn't she. That forced smile creeps me out. I'm sure she actually very nice....but eeegggghhhh.
- Chris Nixon
from twhirl
This just makes me very sad today Right now I only see 1 way I will not vote for McCain in November - sorry, there is just something about Obama I do not trust, and I hope in the next few years I'm not sitting here saying, at least I didn't vote for him just like I didn't vote for his predecessor. :( And, I can assure you I am not the only one who feels this way.
- Paula Hawk
I know what you mean Paula. How can you trust someone who refuses PAC and special interest money, has the courage not to pander to voters with a bogus gas tax repeal, and opposed an immoral war from the very start. This guy sounds dangerous. He might actually do something in office.
- Leo Laporte
Love the sarcasm, Leo, allows me to see you in a new light and reinforces to me that I've been right all along to keep my viewpoints to myself. So sorry to have gotten involved in this HRC bashing. :(
- Paula Hawk
Obama is the only one I trust to do the right thing. HRC will just say anything to get the vote, but she'll continue the same failed politics. McSame will just give us 4 more years of Bush's politics.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
from Alert Thingy
Mike, I see your point with McCain, but in my eyes it is him or throw my vote completely away on Nader.... Those same failed politics you are speaking of worked very well in the 1990s - for those of you old enough to recall, who did we all say was running the White House at that time anyhow? I was working with the federal government during this time, and I recall the amazement at the...
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- Paula Hawk
I'm sorry you see my post as "Hillary bashing." In fact, it is not. I am sad to see HRC go. I would have gladly voted for her had she won the nomination. My real problem is with the notion that since, for some undefined reason you "don't trust" Obama, you would consider casting a vote for McCain. Set aside McCain's self-professed ignorance on the economy, and hawkish position on Iraq. The next president will fill at least two, maybe three Supreme Court seats, giving him or her a huge and lasting impact.
- Leo Laporte
Paula, I think you misunderstood the statement. Obama is in a a unique position to change the face of the Presidency because he's been on 'both sides of the fence' and could unite the country like no other. To me, that's very attractive because that's exactly what this country needs... A leader that people can rally behind. I just happen to agree with his political stances as well, with lobbyist being the scourge of progression. HRC is 'old politics'... McCain is really old politics.
- Vince DeGeorge
I wouldn't vote for HRC if she got the nomination. She's every bit as bad as McSame. In that case I would stay home on election day rather than vote for either of them.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
from Alert Thingy
Paula let's get it right: "You know, I'm somebody who is born to a white mother and a, and an African father. It's in my DNA to believe that we can bring this country together and that the people are the same under the skin. And that's what I've been fighting for all my life, and, you knowto a large degree, everything that I've done as a community organizer, everything that I've done as...
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- Leo Laporte
Paula, I think it's pretty obvious now that you're a crypto-Republican, misquoting Obama to fuel racist mistrust on McCain's behalf. I expect we'll see a lot more of that through November. If you really are a HRC supporter, I would hope you would chose this time to start talking issues and stop feeding these specious doubts.
- Leo Laporte
Good point, Leo. It's great for everyone to have their own way of looking at this race, and some people will, unfortunately, decide to vote against their best interests for whatever reason - hell, middle-class Republicans have been doing it for years - but the idea of putting words into Obama's mouth simply in order to try to bash him with them and, as you point out, fuel racist mistrust, is frankly despicable, if not downright Rovian.
- Brad Farris
from Alert Thingy
Very interesting to see this much discussion on this topic. I'm in a very conservative state, (ND) and many Republicans here are looking to Obama as a chance. Most don't trust McCain and they surely don't trust HRC. Every time anyone has ever asked me why Obama I've said. "It's a difference in how they conduct politics." HRC and McCain represent old Washington politics. Honestly...
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- Bryan
WOW I've been called a lot of things in my life, but never a Republican or a crypto-Republican. I said I read an article discussing Obama being on TV, I did not watch the show, I did not read the article any further, but I know that the post I was reading was written by someone who has staunchly supported Obama for the past several months. Call me names if you must. I hope it makes you all feel better.
- Paula Hawk
Vince, wanted to make sure I thank you, from the direct quote, yes, I must have misread something, or something was miswritten. And, I just wanted to add, that no one has even bothered much to give me a reason to want to vote for Obama, just to not associate with most of you involved with this conversation.
- Paula Hawk
Paula, the most important part of this whole affair is discussion. It's fantastic to see people "talk" politics and really be involved. No, name calling is not necessary in any case. If this election has taught us anything, it's that people, when pushed, are VERY passionate about what they believe in. This debate, no matter which side you stand is very healthy and much better than the apathy that resulted in Bush's re-election. I urge everyone to go beyond the "media" and really look.
- Vince DeGeorge
Thanx Vince. In all seriousness, I have waited 8 years for HRC to run, and dammit, I'm pissed as hell that she has blown it the way she has. I know she is better than these silly 'faux pas' she has been making over the past several months. I also know that it is time to accept that HRC has blown it, I accepted that fact before the PA primaries. :( Since then, I have tried to read...
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- Paula Hawk
I like you Leo, I do. You work hard and your a good guy and you do a lot for new media. But honestly, you have to be kidding. I didn't realize anyone really used the term "crypto-anything" as more than a punchline for paranoia. Sadly it just adds to the growing impression I have that your biases really do cloud your commentary on technical (and now political) issues.
- Soulhuntre
As an Obama supporter.Odd as it may be, I actually appreciate the "intense" campaign HRC ran. It served to prepare him for the assaults he will likely be the target of all the way until November. Not only that but it gave us, the voters, the opportunity to see him operate under pressure and address some of the most volatile topics in American society. So for that, hats off to her. That being said, it's time to step aside and work towards unifying the Democratic Party.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
Paula completely misquoted Obama. He didn't say his DNA would make him a better president he said: "You know, I'm somebody who is born to a white mother and a, and an African father. It's in my DNA to believe that we can bring this country together and that the people are the same under the skin." Completely different than what you heard. I don't understand when people say they don't...
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- Patrick Binder
Patrick, it's a feeling. Can't help it. We all have feelings and we all have our right to feel whatever it is that we feel. Great thing about living in America is that we have the right to express those feelings as we wish. Thank you for the direct quote again, someone else beat you to the punch and slapped me down for misinterpreting a third party review of the interview. You want something to discuss, please see the Wall Street Journal link I gave above. Or, give me a reason YOU like Obama over HRC..
- Paula Hawk
I don't need a soundbite reason to distrust someone... humans make judgments on many, many factors. Tone of voice, cadence, word choice, facial expressions, eye movement, body language.... further, we refine those judgments the more we see of someone. There is also the totality of integrating all that into all the knowledge we have of someone.
- Soulhuntre
My feelings about Obama including my distrust come from the totality of my experience with him, not a sentence or a soundbite. Just like many who find him charismatic do so from the totality of their "Obama experience". Fortunately few people judge someone only on the words they actually say - or we would all be trivially easy to fool.
- Soulhuntre
Paula: Obama seems to get it. He talks about and I hope he could deliver the ability to unify this nation because it is severely fractured. Who knows if it could be done, but atleast he is willing to try. That is the big reason. I also like that he is running a more clean/positive campaign than HRC. His campaign is also being run very well. AND he doesn't have his hands as deep in lobbyist's pockets.
- Patrick Binder
Who the hell am I kidding...I am actually basing my vote on the best looking website...and Obama is clearly ahead of the competition. HRC's website is better now, but is still too cluttered. THESE are the real issues ;) I like HRC, but her campaigning tactics have turned me away.
- Patrick Binder
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