"Dan, your articles are valuable and timeless. Love to RT many of your articles. Keep it up. This is a spectacular blog! I've learned a great deal from reading it."
- J. D. Ebberly
Agree on the whole. I always find these categories a little artificial: Really "Forrester-speak". :) I think the recommendations are the most interesting. I'd make a separate post out of that.
- Meryn Stol
You say it yourself: "What’s interesting isn’t this vision for the future, but what it holds in store for brands, " . I'd like these recommendations to be fleshed out with concrete first steps to take. Doesn't have to be more than links to relevant resources.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn The recommendations are fleshed out in the actual reports. Our clients (brands) have access to see them.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Hmm ok... Then I'll need to get the details elsewhere I guess. :)
- Meryn Stol
Interesting categorization of the development into eras. Any consideration to the impact of scale on the 5th era? Just as a recent example with Facebook, their format evolution was not well received by what is not an insignificant number of members, and yet the reality is - that change - negative impact not withstanding is not rolling back.
- Patrick Boegel
There will be a give and take between communities and brands. The thing is, Facebook doesn't have a competitive alternative that users could go to. In my report, we suggest that active communities could define specs for products, and bid MULTIPLE companies to build it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I completely understand that Jeremiah, just wondering if the nature of scale impacted or perhaps better said impacts the thought process for very complex long term brand relationships, ie Health Insurance, Financial Services, a college/university choice, where consversation and user invovlement can be complicated. Very interested in the full report either way. Thx.
- Patrick Boegel
good stuff Jeremiah, enjoyed and some good thought provokers there for the future
- Richard Binhammer
Nice paper but really expensive for young people. $750 means $41 for page.
- Alp
Great information, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Interesting, but very general and hard to apply. I see companies more as å provide of tools/stage for conversation, aka the gold rush mining vs selling tools
- Anders Dahlberg
Alp, Many of Forrester's clients are large brands who have a subscription. We're still sharing a great deal on this blog, and have given the report to bloggers to cover, so there's value to be had there.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah (and the team), a great piece of work and, I imagine, a labour of both love and loathing at times! I have been very interested in this area as I have looked at the shift in skills to deliver social media activity changes from one of basic coding knowledge to much more human, interactive skills.
- Paul Fabretti
Fantastic article! I found it SO intriguing that I've even printed it out!
- J. D. Ebberly
"How Brands Should Prepare" is a great bit of information. Jeremiah, it would be nice (i'd be reading) if you expanded in future blog posts about the "How Brands Should Prepare".
- frank barry
That's likely to be a research report I'm thinking about writing Frank
- Jeremiah Owyang
Probably correct in assuming that most online social networks will neither spawn nor solidify to the point of being considered ‘affinity groups’ with the level of cohesion, unified budgetary authority or organized implementation capability of NGOs, churches, or employee aggregations. Even in the era of social commerce. I hope I’m wrong.
- A Mitchell
Great post, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Vlad Hrouda
Hello Jason. I'm just reading a few thousand feeds I'm behind on.
- Linda Lorie
I am part of the planning committee for www.latwestival.com if you are in LA next Sunday would love you to join us if not if you can give some RT love that would be awesome
- Marla Schulman
Lets all make sure that we've connected.. if ur here at this chat then please send a comment out with your twitter page so that everyone can follow u!
- Jason Pollock
if you follow me, be sure give me an @ to tell me that jason sent ya
- heykim
Hi Jason! Good idea. Used to be a (French) producer and wanna know much about your work (just by personal interest) could you tell me where?
- Véronique Rabuteau
im having the same issue with my tv show...just waiting for the right partner
- Zachary Adam Cohen
i need donations on my bday ( 9/29) to go from miami to san fran to do the Nike Marathon for leukemia and lymphoma-if any of you can help, thatd be awesome! :)
- Meesh
ok jason if you could be someone for a day who would it be and why???
- kari ann alcala
jason.. is there a way for u to make ur tweets dif colour?
- heykim
douglas: its not released yet... hopefully soon!
- Jason Pollock
i want to be like you - sounds corny - i really want to make a difference in the world and feel helpless where I am at right now to do any of that.
- Douglas Lancaster
id love to be the president for a day to give a lot of the country's $$ to poor people.. if u were president for a day then there would be no accountability.. u could do the right things and not have to worry about what your poll numbers will be.. that would b cool.
- Jason Pollock
& we can bop to the music in our heads : )
- pepamint83
we can all make a difference in something that we have a passion for. It doesn't have to be in a great scale, if you want to give to the poor, give a little if that's what u can afford. Just do it! :)
- Simple Sally
that was a good answer jason i liked it :)
- kari ann alcala
gotcha...I've seen FriendFeeds attached to tweets, but this is my 1st to see a chat like this. gotta give you snaps for keeping things fresh :)
- Doris Jean Brown
i think one of the reasons that social media is exploding right now is becuz everyone is out of work and has more time on their hands.
- Jason Pollock
It's given me a chance to learn the ins and outs though!
- Teri Gidwitz
yeah lost my job, health went to sh*t, no health coverage, SHITTY year here, but after a few fires burn out here personally - I am moving and want to get involved in change. Somehow. Somewhere. I want to learn. educated. Make one or million lives better.
- Douglas Lancaster
i am 35 - and just now want to learn more about LIFE, not just mine but the world within too. spent too many years selfish - ready to move forward
- Douglas Lancaster
Some of Scoble's threads get over 1500 comments.. we are a ways to go.
- Jason Pollock
Nicole: Yeah, that was really disturbing. Of course, I'm writing a novel with evil mad scientists like that among the villains, so I had to bookmark it...
- Dennis Jernberg
I dont know if she was abused tho becuz no charges were brought against him... if he did something then he'd b in jail.. like chris brown was.
- Jason Pollock
Mustn't forget: there's an easy way to subscribe to FF feeds. Hover over a name in the chat, let the balloon show, then click "Subscribe".
- Dennis Jernberg
i kept hearing about twitter and then i saw people tweeting about my film from a sneak peak that i had back in december 08 and when i saw that then i knew i had to see what was going on.
- Jason Pollock
I was told outright- "resistance is futile"
- PookyMedia
i use it on the web not on phone, sometimes on my ipod touch and since i am home all day righ tnow i tweet way too much but i am random as hell
- Douglas Lancaster
I joined twitter in February 2009 and only have 361 followers :(
- Bryan Lagos
Me, I joined in June because of a thread on the forum at http://5090.fawm.org (50 Songs in 90 Days -- I only have 6 so far, none unlocked... :( )
- Dennis Jernberg
bryan: dont be so sad. that a lot of followers... keep connecting and that number will grow.
- Jason Pollock
I joined twitter in may 2008 .. and now I have 1052 followers :)
- FFTornado
i saw Inglourious Basterds today Zach-Loved it :)
- Meesh
Yes, I try to post questions, links, news, gossip, updates on my blog and random A.D.D. moments
- Douglas Lancaster
That is, I joined Twitter in June. I joined FF exactly one month ago when Robert Scoble led all his followers here.
- Dennis Jernberg
www.twitter.com/heykim add me.. nite yall see you on twitter ;)
- heykim
In the short time that I've been tweeting, it's been a far greater tool for connecting people with my show than other means of communication. Also helps with actually connecting with fans, and awesome peeps like Mr. Jason Pollock himself.
- Undergrad Records
i really dugg inglorious basterds...but then again i am a total tarantino nerd
- Zachary Adam Cohen
I saw District 9 and Inglorious Basterds and enjoyed both immensely
- Jason Pollock
I saw Halloween 2 and Inglourious Bastards last weekend. Loved Bastards!
- Douglas Lancaster
I'm watching "Hoarders" on A&E U know its bad when shyte in ur fridge is moving on its own!! OYE!!
- LILCHICKENPOO
Twitter is actually a great tool to blog out what you have to say and its very convenient and no hassle. I'm glad im in this generation where twitter was invented LOL.
- HANNA ANG
I dont watch alot of movies or TV. I would rather be listenig to music.
- Rob Madden
i think i have followed everyone, it's tough to keep up. OMG Hoarders is such an eye opener so is Intervention and Obsessed
- Douglas Lancaster
One of my fave movies of all time : Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
- Meesh
Hi Jason & Friends ~ I also just followed @Zacharycohen too:)
- Dave
from BuddyFeed
I am a music fanatic, it's my inspriation, soul and self therapy, i have like 30,000 songs backed up.
- Douglas Lancaster
Haven't seen District 9 or Inglourious Basterds yet (or Ponyo, unfortunately); with my restricted professional slacker's budget, I'll probably have to wait for the DVDs...
- Dennis Jernberg
People who use (ffolllo.com) I guess you guys subscribed to 200+ FriendFeeders ! AWARE
- FFTornado
I just watched "Little Ashes" last night here in bed. Amazing movie, in my eyes.
- Douglas Lancaster
Jason, ya didn't answer my ?--U R so quick with your responses, & at some length at times--are you traditionally "typing" or do you just peck really fast? Do they even teach Typing in school anymore? lol
- Doris Jean Brown
For being a movie whore I have never seen Eternal Sunshine. I need to get on it.
- Douglas Lancaster
I agree Spam is crappy but one man's spam may be anothers resource. That's why I love Twitter, if it's too much spam, I just don't follow anymore. :) LOVE IT!
- Simple Sally
i should go through my followers to get rid of spam, so stupid some of the crap that comes up from my tweets then five second later i get a follower from spam
- Douglas Lancaster
i joined just to make some ppl smile during a rough day
- pepamint83
nicole thats awesome! twitter rocks, its taught me so much, and JASON has taught me so much, he is one of those that "gets it" and "it" being this real time experiment we are all engaging in RIGHT NoW! WOWIE!
- Zachary Adam Cohen
For all the newbies here, don't forget that you can pop out the chat window by clicking on the time stamp at the top of the post.
- Steve
following u Peppamint on Twitter! :)
- Simple Sally
Meesh: thats ridiculous that no one has made a twitter app for the G1!
- Jason Pollock
Jason - The social media effect on television, such as the Fringe experiments with Twitter. Any thoughts?
- Undergrad Records
my tweetdeck wasnt working so i removed it now it wont let me get it back into my computer i miss the ping noise but in a way its better cause i dont run to my comp everytime i hear the ping lol
- pepamint83
I gotta go. Working on something. But, will be on Twitter on & off as I will be on the computer. Have a great night Jason! Have a great night everyone! @niclone http://twitter.com/niclone
- Nicole
JASOOOOOOOOON this is a great post about you (Director Jason Pollock discusses 'The Youngest Candidate' )
- FFTornado
Jason-not an efficient one! I have tried two that just stink! and the ones you "pay" for have bad reviews. I find myself manually putting in twitter.com and doing tweets from there
- Meesh
well, quite honestly, there ain't much on TV at all these days!!
- Doris Jean Brown
I can't miss my Ellen!!!! Dailly wakeup call for me!!
- LILCHICKENPOO
tv has changed so much - i have a few fave shows but not obsesed like back in the day.
- Douglas Lancaster
well I am making TV and films- just released a killer music video- "I'm Too Busy To Date Your Avatar"
- PookyMedia
I think twitter should use a txt message to phone authentication for twitter accounts to help fight the spam accounts created
- Mickey Frklic
So if someone were to try to develop a show, would it benefit better being developed and hosted on the web, or should it still try to be developed for TV?
- Undergrad Records
i dont even watch conan as much as I used to..and I would stay uo when he was at 12:30 to watch him all the time..now....I always forget he's on.
- Meesh
I agree...on Demand, Netflix, online...there's no need to follow their schedules anymore...unless you need to engage in water cooler conversation the next AM...
- Doris Jean Brown
what happened with the Twitter TV Show
- Bryan Lagos
I'm going to an Invitational Scoble meet tomorrow at the country club..
- Doris Jean Brown
also love my blackberry... im much better at thumb typing then touch screen. Altho they are releasing plants vs zombies game for the iphone... so im more jealous
- Mickey Frklic
Thanks again to everyeone who is here right now.. this has been a great chat tonight!
- Jason Pollock
already following u perramint83!! and ya momma!! Happy b-day was sung to her earlier before I tucked her in!! all good!! ;)
- LILCHICKENPOO
I think its amazing that scoble has so many people following him on friendfeed that if he clicks a LIKE on your post that other people click LIKE immediately! its so crazy.. people are following his LIKES that closely! Scoble is the King of Friendfeed.
- Jason Pollock
Jason, this is going to be another big night! Keep it rockin!
- Simple Sally
mmmmm I woudl rather use Scoble like Wolframs AlphaMan
- PookyMedia
YES U ROCK LILL CHICKEN U ALL MADE MY MOTHERS NIGHT @gingeybear ITS HER BDAY TODAY
- pepamint83
im 28/f/Chicago... new to friendfeed. hey this is really cool if everyone knew how cool this was they would totally do it!!! im sure...
- Natalie Keefe
I joined Twitter cuz I heard it was cool. Same for Facebook, MySpace, myYearbook, and Choir in high school. I even started smoking cuz people said it was cool. Now, Jason Pollack has forced me to jump on the FriendFeed bandwagon. Thanks, peer pressure!
- Diane M
720+ comments so far . heading heading heading heading heading
- FFTornado
lol im just off to pack up the house will be back later Lilchickenpoo :0)
- Sam Young
Dougles: Scoble is a Jedi in the world of Social Media.. A lot of people claim to be social media experts but there are only a handful who truly are.. Robert Scoble is one of the first pioneers of social media... and we're honored to have him here tonight!
- Jason Pollock
Hover over him lightly at nightly and be tightly in your comments
- PookyMedia
How about a Pulitzer prize for best TWEET - the 140 characters that changed the WORLD
- PookyMedia
well, personally i dont follow Perezizzle or anything, but... i found the whole Demi vs. PH thing interesting. i think they should share a kiss at the Oscars.
- Natalie Keefe
So is there a particular topic of discussion, or just anything goes?
- Lisa Dee
Jason, I think Alyssa Milano is smart - maybe not the smartest, but for the way she uses twitter.
- Lisa Dee
um... did anyone think the whole Demi-calling-PH-a-pornographer controversy was like when Sarah Palin accused David Letterman of statutory rape?
- Natalie Keefe
um, @aplusk is probably the best... he has the most followers, i think that says a lot. i mean, he caught on to twitter before it got "big" and i mean now it is not even as big as facebook, so...
- Natalie Keefe
Forgive me, anyone who follows me, but I don't automatically follow back. I use Twitter for the content, so I only follow those who Tweet about things that interest me.
- Diane M
well... i think value is wat counts, D
- Natalie Keefe
We're only 30 or so comments away from my thread record so Im sure we're going to break that... this is the biggest thread I've ever created on friendfeed! thanks to u all for being here!!!!:)
- Jason Pollock
this should b color coded like Jason is red so we know its him : )
- pepamint83
i guess Andrew Zimmern from Bizarre Foods is also coming out with a new show called Bizarre World... where he travels. looking forward to that...
- Natalie Keefe
Jason, when all today's teens grow up, it'll B interesting 2 C what's available for them, huh!
- Lisa Dee
Jason, I see your face staring at me. It's making it hard to be witty. Ohhh the pressure!
- Diane M
HAHA i like the idea where they all dance Pooky!!
- HANNA ANG
yea, we'll be reading the internet on the front page of our newspapers... there's a video about that that parodies Microsoft. some of it is funny... and some of it is just plain ... well, prophetic.
- Natalie Keefe
there will be a USB device to put in your right ear & download the contents of your mind and a plug into your friends computer to download it
- PookyMedia
1000!!!!! amazing! I've seen bigger threads tho .. Scoble has had threads with over 1500.. i bet there have been even bigger... but 1000 is HUGE!! we're blowing friendfeed up right now. lets keep this chat going! tweet this link out again from your pages = http://ff.im/7M8iq
- Jason Pollock
actually theres a friend of mine whose username is partywith ... and then her name
- Natalie Keefe
every time she comes on i say, "wherez the party at"? lol
- Natalie Keefe
One of the coolest friendfeed features is real time search click this link to watch how many people are posting in threads related to Obama right now http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Steve
Not even sure how I learned bout Jason ...seems he was always right there!
- Kirk
kirk me too he was like im following my initial followers then unfollowed everyone and deleted the tweet
- pepamint83
my first tweet sucked. it was something like... "if a tweet were heard in the forest, and there was no on there to hear it, would it still make a sound?"
- Natalie Keefe
Perhaps all the kewl ppl were following TheJason ...
- Kirk
I'd LOVE to hear where everyone's from - that's what's so COOL about this!!
- Lisa Dee
@Danny_DiVito (with an "i") is a fake. The real one is @Danny_DeVito (with an "e"), and he's hardly following anybody.
- Dennis Jernberg
@Jason I had taken time to watch on YouTube, read more about you and pass the word to some french producers. Great job of yours! Going back to RL. See You.
- Véronique Rabuteau
BTW: Glad you're here, Khayyam! I just subscribed.
- Dennis Jernberg
When Jason start a talk.. You will never be able to watch your FF lifestream ...... ROCKS
- FFTornado
thats a cool name... Veronique. ill have to use it in one of my books for sure
- Natalie Keefe
ya, i am a writer... i published a book on Lulu.com
- Natalie Keefe
u heard of me? sweet. cuz ive only sold 3 copies and they were all to myself.
- Natalie Keefe
im confused cause i looked it up on seach danny devito is the one with the pic with him holding a sign with his twitter name the one Jason tweeted http://twitter.com/Danny_D... REAL OR FAKE???
- pepamint83
Ok Everyone, I have to go to sleep.. you all rock and you should all feel free to stay here anc chat for as long as u want.. i will wake up and check this thread first to see how long everyone stayed.. hehe.. thanks again! u all rock:)
- Jason Pollock
funny *youve* heard of me. im so not famous i havent even heard of me yet. ha.
- Natalie Keefe
what's the pitfall, everyone looking for love has one. ;)
- Simple Sally
Yep! Hanna's link's got it right: @Danny_DeVito (with the "e") is the REAL Danny DeVito! The impostor's got the "Verified" logo in his background image.
- Dennis Jernberg
Chicago - thanks, Natalie. I'm in San Diego. Yeah, tell us about ur book!
- Lisa Dee
ya, it didnt really go over well with literary agents so... well... trying to market a first-time novella writer's chick lit book... like zero sales appeal. i guess.
- Natalie Keefe
Hey Natalie, Kirk, Lisa, Dennis & Hanna - Nice to hollar with y'all. Hit me up Twitter with an @ so I can make sure I add all y'all :)
- iamkhayyam
Fake danny just tweeted about Jason lol
- pepamint83
so anything else you want to know about the book?
- Natalie Keefe
@jason_pollock :) Thanks for the warm welcome. Quite the scene you've got going on here. Quote commendable use of resources I must say! I'd tell everyone to follow you, but I'm pretty sure everyone here is :) lol
- iamkhayyam
aren't u kewl dude with gr8 content, in Vanc?
- Kirk
kind of like Sex & the City without all the sex... *snooze* ha
- Natalie Keefe
Khayyam, I checked on Grader, and you are indeed following me.
- Dennis Jernberg
@iamkhayyam, I'm @LisaDee123 on Twitter.
- Lisa Dee
I hate fake ppl ...ppl pretending to be celebrated ppl is a new kinda low
- Kirk
twitter.com/account/profile_image/Danny_DiVito?hreflang=en I love how he photoshopped the verified into the background lol
- Rob Madden
Is the fake Divito watching this chat feed right now?
- Mickey Frklic
wats celebrated ppl? oh u mean fake twitter accounts?
- Natalie Keefe
i guess its bound to happen... kinda like fake myspace pages.
- Natalie Keefe
Natalie - did u read Nanny Diaries? Your book sounds good to me!
- Lisa Dee
Oh hey! @LisaDee123!! Thanks for all the love today! Much appreciated :)
- iamkhayyam
i will be honest, i think my book is like a bad first draft. i mean... maybe someday people will buy it when they actually know & like my future work. then again, i didnt really do a whole d*mm lot to try to market the book either.
- Natalie Keefe
I think Jason went to go for a bathroom break. heheheh!!
- HANNA ANG
yea, my book is actually meant to be a comedy. & theres this guy im collaborating with on a screenplay... i basically wrote it, i sent it to him to edit because i adapted it from the book and there were too many voiceovers...
- Natalie Keefe
i am outta here, going ot lie down, been here since the first minute, great turn out, much love to ya jason, i tried to follow everyone i am @ http://www.twitter.com/dml174 - see ya next time! <hugs to all>
- Douglas Lancaster
Natalie: You don't have to use a URL shortener on FF. It shortens the link in the feed, but the full URL's still there (check your status bar) and whoever clicks it will go to the right site.
- Dennis Jernberg
But I wish when we clicked on a link here it opened in a different window. That would be so much better.
- Lisa Dee
have faved the page Natalie...loving the title, will read soon :0)
- Sam Young
if you guys haven'ts checked www.twaxed.com yet your missing out
- Mike Dammann
SORRY I MISSED THE TAIL END OF THE CHAT...WAS LOOKING FOR THE "NAKED DANNY DEVITO" THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING AND SMELLED SOMETHING FUNNY!!
- LILCHICKENPOO
applied for a place a week ago, still no word
- Sam Young
NO WAY! How cool is that? See - I knew you were awesome!
- Lisa Dee
scrolling and scrolling.. here i am. i think i will read all those replies after my baby goes to sleep,, hehehe. btw,, hello jason!! am i late?hehe...
- zʍıɔ
Sam - what kind of nurse are you, and how long have you been in nursing?
- Lisa Dee
Im an endorsed enrolled nurse meaning I can give all meds except addiction ones couple of years except Im getting out and studying teaching....
- Sam Young
anyways gtg pack another box or two ciao :0)
- Sam Young
Wow, I thought about teaching too. After I've been a nurse for a while first though. If I get tired of it.
- Lisa Dee
Bye Sam! Nice meeting you! I'm following you on twitter, so that way when I need help packing...lol
- Lisa Dee
I have learned that when a popular person starts a discussion, tired people forsake sleep to participate.
- Mike Dammann
Anybody else still out there? There you are, Mike. That's true, isn't it!
- Lisa Dee
Dictionary.com defines "meme" as "a cultural item that is transmitted by repetition in a manner analogous to the biological transmission of genes." Basically, the cultural equivalent of genes. They can mutate and evolve faster, of course. Since I'm working on a couple novels, I like to call myself a memetic engineer.
- Dennis Jernberg
this hillarious i got the fake danny devito following me
- Rob Madden
participating in a reforestation project with a Dutch company, right now the forest fires are getting bad though. I won't be able to get outta here any time soon :)
- Mike Dammann
I've actually got two dead people following me: Robert Anton Wilson and Timothy Leary. I think Jesus is gone, though; he was following me for a while...
- Dennis Jernberg
Dennis - Seriously? That's funny! Dead people on twitter!
- Lisa Dee
According to legend, the actor walked into the audition, script in hand, and yelled, "Who wrote this shit?!" Jim Brooks hired him on the spot.
- Mike Dammann
Did Dennis fall asleep at the keyboard?
- Lisa Dee
working to make shorter.... will post here first for your express approval
- Tanya
"I follow dead people before following fakes, less walking for me" Danny
- Mike Dammann
If you have to, make it 2 tweets - use ellipsis at the end, like this "Taxi..." and then start the next tweet with the ellipsis again: ...I just yelled (etc)
- Lisa Dee
No, I'm still around. Just multitasking some. Right now I'm reading about fake Twitter accounts. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
SiPix (a division of our old friend AU Optronics) has announced that it will bring "a small number" of color e-ink displays to market by the end of 2010. Apparently, a breakthrough in thin-film-transistor panels has put the company on the fast-track to making this technology commercially viable. If so, it could beat rivals like PrimeView (the manufacturer of both the Kindle and Sony's Reader) to the punch by a year or two. "Making colored electronic paper displays is our top priority," said SiPix president Andrew Tseng. "We are in talks with customers to supply colored displays ... as [color] would encourage advertisers to place ads on [electronic] publications, which then would be able to provide more content [to readers] for free." While PrimeView is currently scrambling to buy up US-based E Ink, AU Optronics is scheduled to ship its first e-paper display modules to customers this quarter. The ball's in your court, Fujitsu. [Via TG Daily] Filed under: Displays SiPix to debut color...
- Technologist
WE need a decent color Kindle DX with Internet connectivity!!!! I LOVE to read Wikipedia articles about sustainability, and I want them in color on the Kindle DX!!!
- J. D. Ebberly
Another fabulous chat, and many thanks to Lydia and Tim. Nice to meet everyone, and hope to see you again. You can find me at http://www.wordwebbing.com .
- Annetta Ribken
In addition to my link I'd like to ask for a hearty round of virtual applause to my #editorchat partner Tim, who works tirelessly and with great integrity. A true professional.
- Lydia Dishman
Matt Lubin, publisher and editor of Terracotta Typewriter www.tctype.com and writer of Waiguoren Critic of South China (http://everymanscritic.blogspot.com) also poet and story writer.
- matt lubin
And to you too, Lydia! *applause to both*
- Annetta Ribken
Great chat, Lydia and Tim -- *so much better* in FriendFeed. Big kudos and appreciation for you doing this! Julie Pippert in Houston, freelancing my writing and editing etc skills. Also, now trying to help a published author friend find a good agent. No irony or pun intended. :)
- Julie Pippert
Thank you Lydia & Tim. San Diego freelance editor/writer/blogger/site designer for writers. Find "A Writer's Edge" at writers-edge.info/Blog.html and also on HancockWebsites.com
- Georganna Hancock
"And to you too, Lydia!" Second. This is a team effort -- couldn't do it without you, my friend.
- Tim Beyers
@merylkevans from Plano, TX. Content maven who writes and edits while playing nice.
- Meryl K. Evans
Charles Bohannan, @wordful, Editor and Blogger at Wordful.com (currently my labor of love). I live with my family in Hawaii. SO glad to be back among my wonderful #editorchat peers. This is such an awesome hangout, good for progress. Aloha and Mahalo to Lydia and Tim
- Charles
This chat on FF is an exciting idea! I've always loved Editorchat, and now I REALLY LOVE it!! :) :) All you need to do if you like conversations between editors and writers, is to go right to ----> http://friendfeed.com/editorc... I LOVE THIS CHAT!!! Woot!! :) :) I'm gonna print it out and lovingly read it all night long!!! :)
- J. D. Ebberly
Mahalos and WOOT to y'all -- this is your co-host Lydia Dishman, freelance features writer for biz, food, style. Don't claim to be an expert, just very conscientious ;-)
- Lydia Dishman
That's all from here in Colorado. Tim Beyers, Motley Fool tech contributor, freelancer covering business, tech, and culture. Find me at timbeyers.com
- Tim Beyers
Thank you, Tm and Lydia -- FriendFeed is the best solution. It takes the traffic off Twitter... yet we can easily find each other's twitter IDs right here.
- Meryl K. Evans
FriendFeed is the conversation nexus of the 2010s. FF is the FUTURE, and The Future Is NOW!
- J. D. Ebberly
Thanks for another nice editorchat. Tim, if you have any work for me in CO I'd be happy to move back out there.
- matt lubin
Would love to have you back here, Matt. Still trying to fill my own plate, though. We'll keep trying.
- Tim Beyers
Tim, doesn't have to be editing or writing...I'll take anything to get back there.
- matt lubin
Q2 Not hardly, as they say in the midwest. Writing is a skill not everyone has or has acquired. I'm always as impressed by the knowledge my clients display as by the bad writing.
- Georganna Hancock
No, they're never equivalent. A subject matter expert could make a good columnist or blogger but terrible journalist.
- Tim Beyers
Definitely not equivalent. One can be an expert on a subject but lack the skills to write a good story, the other may lack the expertise to write a good story. It's easier for a journalist to become an expert than for an expert to become a journalist.
- matt lubin
Not equivalent in my opinion or experience. Subject matter experts usually require a solid edit process, and non-expert writers usually require a solid expert review.
- Julie Pippert
Matt makes a great point. Expert in a subject doesn't mean you can express that in a given written format.
- Annetta Ribken
There are exceptions, of course. We have some top-notch stock analysts at the Fool who write very well.
- Tim Beyers
I'm curious to know who is expecting SMEs to be journalists?
- Georganna Hancock
I think it's fairly common to have SMEs write an op ed, article or similar. We used them extensively for books.
- Julie Pippert
Name any big publication starting a blog, Georganna. Every one of them is trying to build content brands around subject matter experts. Blogging made SMEs interesting.
- Tim Beyers
I'll second that good writers at Motley Fool, Tim.
- Julie Pippert
Tim--so you are lumping journalism, blogging and general writing all together?
- Georganna Hancock
Absolutely not. Publishers are doing that, not me.
- Tim Beyers
When worked for the local legal newspaper, we had a section written by legal experts. The legal editor spent a lot of time making most of those articles readable. There were some exceptions though.
- matt lubin
The challenge I see is that many SMEs are amateurs -- when it comes to blogging anyway. I see publications taking their expertise and usually solid writing for free. I actually had a newspaper VIP tell me it was "doing these writers a favor by giving them a big megaphone."
- Julie Pippert
>> I actually had a newspaper VIP tell me it was "doing these writers a favor by giving them a big megaphone." Ugh. Oh how I hate hearing that, but I fear that view is far too common.
- Tim Beyers
Julie--amateurs as in amateur writers? I think journos are SMEs in journalism. But any SME may not be any kind of a good writer.
- Georganna Hancock
He and I have a long-running public debate about compensation v. favors -- how they are not synonyms.
- Julie Pippert
How long does a journalist have to write about a subject or industry to replace those he used to interview when it comes to giving his opinion?
- Francine McKenna
Georganna, to clarify, amateur experts. Amateur parenting experts, amateur political analysts, amateur analysts, etc. many are quite quite good at the topic and more than a few are good writers. But it lacks the editorial process, and is generally uncompensated. So actually, yeah, i guess amateur all the way around lol.
- Julie Pippert
Only long enough to learn all the buzz words, if he/she is always careful about facts.
- Georganna Hancock
Sorry, Francine. I'm not exactly sure what you mean. As in: How long does it take an SME to become a journalist?
- Tim Beyers
Francine, that might be the catch. I don't think a company would hire a journalist who covers a subject as an expert.
- matt lubin
Francine, I think any responsible publication would hire a journalist or writer who knew enough to ask the right questions through well-established channels. You can be a channel or topical expert as a writer, but not per se a subject matter expert.
- Julie Pippert
Julie, Then why do so many journalists write books and get interviewed as SMEs?
- Francine McKenna
But Francine asked about "giving his opinion". I take that to also include "having the appearance of being an expert."
- Georganna Hancock
Francine, I'm not sure they're interviewed as SMEs, but experts about the story they broke or are following. Analysts get quoted as SMEs.
- Tim Beyers
And why do some SMEs write Op-Eds and magazine articles and get away with not following journalistic standards/ethics? I think lines are becoming blurred in the interest of exposure and it's not a good thing.
- Francine McKenna
Francine, help me out -- do you have an example? Cokie Roberts, for example, sits there and discusses politics like the pro she is. But she has a unique view. Is talking about the environment and situation as an expert in the story the same thing as an actual SME? Not in my opinion, for what that's worth.
- Julie Pippert
Opinions don't make an expert, no matter how much you may know about a subject.
- Annetta Ribken
Francine, I'll agree about blurred lines. I see way too much sloppy reporting. Too many articles doing too much "he saids" and not enough investigation, too many articles re-reporting too quickly especially from blogs, and too many articles using a single source without fully revealing it. It makes for biased, incomplete and (worst of all) sometimes erroneous reporting.
- Julie Pippert
"Opinions don't make an expert, no matter how much you may know about a subject." -- Agree, Netta.
- Tim Beyers
This is a tough question, but I don't think the formal title and functions of a journalist are going to make a difference if the audience is captured and engaged. Also SME's often have something journalists don't: passion.
- Charles
Tim: "A subject matter expert could make a good columnist or blogger but terrible journalist." Really? :)
- Francine McKenna
We're neck-deep in semantics here, Journalists as subject matter experts or subject matter experts as journalists.
- J. D. Ebberly
I've seen all kinds... and good and bad ones on all sides. A package contains a lot of variables.
- Meryl K. Evans
(Grins.) I know you've seen that before, Francine -- especially among those covering the financial markets.
- Tim Beyers
Charles makes a good point. But to me, journalism isn't about passion, it's about dependable and correct information.
- Annetta Ribken
Another good thread, folks. Shall we continue here or does anyone want to pose a last question? Remember, it's open mic night here at #editorchat.
- Tim Beyers
Here here Netta, dependability and accuracy are priorities - but having passion helps deliver
- Lydia Dishman
Julie, Actually the question came up in a "debate" I had with Heidi Moore a couple of Saturdays ago about David Wessel's book about the Fed and some of the interviews I thought treated him like Alan Greenspan. As a "subject matter journalist/blogger" I had issues with that.
- Francine McKenna
Charles, true, but I write in a beat for which I have a strong, long-running passion. I can deconstruct and analyze like a pro, and I will. :) But I also know the value of quoting the actual expert.
- Julie Pippert
The lines are very blurred. Some bloggers come up with more accurate information than journalists. There's sloppy work done on both sides. Due diligence has taken a hit in the race to be the first.
- Annetta Ribken
Ahhhhh good example -- thanks Francine. I see and agree.
- Julie Pippert
"Due diligence has taken a hit in the race to be the first." Amen to that. Couldn't agree more.
- Tim Beyers
The other example, Tim, is Arthur Levitt, a SME, writing Op-Eds and not having to disclose conflicts.
- Francine McKenna
Yes, Lydia, I totally agree. Delivery is important, but I think sometimes passion (in journalism, mind) can muddy the waters. I think that's where a lot of the confusion comes from between bloggers and journalists. Does accuracy suffer from too much passion? Sometimes.
- Annetta Ribken
Francine, that is one of my SERIOUS pet peeves! Especially on the Internet whether an organization, blog, Web site, etc.
- Julie Pippert
Well put it this way: news belongs to journalists but niche content belongs to SMEs
- Charles
That's what I love about one of the pubs I write for -- they ask us not to mention the products that are their sponsors. If there's a need to mention one -- let them know.
- Meryl K. Evans
Charles, well put. I think that's actually the convergence point at which due diligence suffers. Ironically.
- Julie Pippert
Also, I think the act of reporting has changed. I see more news analysis now than ever before.
- Tim Beyers
Many SMEs are acting as pseudo journalists in the business world, writing articles /columns for magazines and newspapers and Op-Eds. I consider myself a SME who does freelance journalism with my blog and for hire.
- Francine McKenna
Yes, Julie -- qualitative standards are and always will be the top imperative
- Charles
Meryl, I signed that Integrity Pledge and then second-guessed myself. Yes, I have corporate "sponsors" sometimes, but I've always made it clear and carefully managed to clear any conflict hurdles.
- Julie Pippert
Julie, I agree an editorial process and compensation add to professionalism. I seek both.
- Francine McKenna
I'm with you, Francine. As a Fool, I'm writing as an SME -- an investor offering opinion and analysis to other investors. But in practice and as a career, I'm a freelance writer who invests.
- Tim Beyers
Anyone can set up a blog and declare themselves an expert. If they're savvy about marketing, they can drive traffic and that gives the appearance of credibility. There are no standards, and that's a problem.
- Annetta Ribken
Francine, cool, and I'm the opposite. :) SMEs are my clients and I do their writing for them.
- Julie Pippert
Yes, that one, Becky. I don't know if you read my "whore" post about it.
- Julie Pippert
That's the problem with most blogs these days -- no standards or editorial infrastructure
- Charles
At least at the group blogs where I write, we do have a process and standards. At the political one, I answer to lawyers.
- Julie Pippert
Update: In two minutes we'll open it back up to reintros. You can post a link at that time if you'd like.
- Tim Beyers
Yes, Julie, I read it. Can't remember now if I commented, tho I think I did.
- Becky
Standards are great, but I don't think a freebie badge will cut it, tho the sentiment behind it is great.
- Becky
You're right, Julie. Most important of all is that bloggers know (as journalists do) that there is always the potential to be sued for whatever you publish. That's pretty much it.
- Becky
Great to meet someone with high integrity, Julie. Thanks for some great insight.
- Meryl K. Evans
Time for reintros. Scroll to the top to tell us who you are and give us a link to follow.
- Tim Beyers
Well, I declared myself as someone with integrity, anyway lol. That's the base question, isn't it: can readers read critically and skeptically and identify integrity, or do too many buy it all without question? Is it seller beware or buyer beware?
- Julie Pippert
Julie, I have a friend who does the same for accounting/audit partners who can't write. I'm a Gemini so I can do more than one thing. Ask me on any given day and I will tell you what those are. :)
- Francine McKenna
Tim, My discussion with @moorehn was about journalists who write books and then are treated as SMEs on the topic, interviewed as such because they write a book. I see it a lot in finance and economics and with the frauds/scandals.
- Francine McKenna
Hey JD. Are you in FriendFeed now?
- Tim Beyers
from IM
Yes, I am. I think this is an interesting way to run Editorchat. We could even run Editorchat in BOTH FF and Twitter!! :)
- J. D. Ebberly
Maybe we should try this again tomorrow night at 830pm EDT.
- J. D. Ebberly
We do, sort of. The main questions appear in Twitter so that anyone who wants to remain in Twitter can reply there.
- Tim Beyers
from IM
JD, just move up one conversation box, that is the rolling discussion
- Lydia Dishman
What do you mean, move up one conversation box?
- J. D. Ebberly
roll up to the top of the page where the next question is
- Lydia Dishman
Are you all on Q2? What number Q are you up to?
- J. D. Ebberly
Hey, JD. Yes, we are on Q2. This one: Q2 from @retheauditors: Journalists as subject matter experts or subject matter experts as journalists. Are they equivalent? #editorchat <http://friendfeed.com/search...>
- Tim Beyers
from IM
Wow - This is intriguing!! Man, Have I A LOT of catching up to do!! WOOT!
- J. D. Ebberly
I'm utterly convinced that FriendFeed is the future of the Conversant Web. Twitter is great, but you can't converse in 140 characters. FriendFeed is da bomb of the 2010's in the Relationship Economy.
- J. D. Ebberly
If I die of a heart attack because of eating food like this, I want my memorial service slide-show to alternate between images of food like this and images of me with a huge grin on my face. :)
- Josh Haley
You know how it is when you bite into a dog that's way too big for the bun and it's just so much better because of it? That's these times 20.
- Josh Haley
Damn you, Josh Haley! Do you think this would work with turkey sausage and faken bacon bits? It's all I got, man! But I need it now!
- Adrian
The sorry excuses for human beings who DDoS'ed Twitter yesterday, need to be caught, then loaded into the shuttle and fired into the sun. Thanks to them, I can't post on Twitter. It's breaking my heart, especially on #FollowFriday :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
- J. D. Ebberly
I had acquaintances on Prodigy years ago, but none that I would call friends.
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
Yep. It was in #e on Efnet cuz the Enlightenment Window Manager was the shizzle. I needed help running it and eventually contributed to it later. Of course, all the cool folks I connected with are in #gah on Freenode now...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I hit on girls in the computer lab in college. Wasn't too long until I was dating only women I met online. (back in 90-93).
- Chrimmus Tad
I should post a separate question about online "involvement," which is a whole 'nother category!
- Kathy Fitch
Yepl. It was in '87 chatting with local politicians on the BBS. Also my first foray into building/working a campaign online.
- Admiral Anika
Does Fidonet count? :) I remember connecting with a couple dozen "online" people in my city soon after I got my first modem. It was my first real experience connecting with people far outside of my social circle (in my teens). Soon after, I was flinging my own mail bundles and downloading packets for offline reading. It's amazing how similar the experience is to today (just minus the URLs).
- Matt Mastracci
'85-86 I think, with a Commodore 300 baud modem and Quantum Link.
- Rodfather
stumbled into IRC around '94 while working for a telco ISP. had a meet-up with a friend in late '95 that turned into me staying over at her place and went alot further than either of us had originally planned on. we remained friends after, thankfully. the next two relationships i was in followed a similar path, only they turned into far more than mere friendships. in fact, that last one i am still in after about 13 years. :D
- Joe Silence is not Santa
It was in year 2003 when I was on yahoo chat rooms( I do not even remember exactly) chatting with some guy from Malaysia.
- ashish
It was back in 2000 on the old Yahoo Clubs (now Yahoo Groups) when some of the Yahoo Clubs united and engaged against these vicious spammers. It was a running battle with the vile spammers for three long years until finally Yahoo changed the Clubs to Groups and we had a whole new arsenal with which to more effectively fight the spammers.
- J. D. Ebberly
Yup, don't remember the year, but I do know it was early 90's. I was like 12 or so and used to dial out to several BBS's around the Houston area. There were a few that I talked to and kinda developed a crush on, but Tinkerbell I think was my first that went both ways. I think she was the one that I racked up a several hundred dollar long distance bill with. Which is funny because I used a loop to connect to the BBS I met her on. :-P
- Matthew Horton
Yep, 1995 blues traveler chat. I was a sophomore in high school being hit on by older men, which in hindsight, probably wasn't completely kosher. They never took it overboard though and I'm still really good friends with one of the guys I met there. (Hi Jeff!)
- EricaJoy
Mine was an intense argument about poetry--on an AOL board. The person was utterly fascinating. Then came the era of lists and MOOs.
- Kathy Fitch
"Cloud is a sofa concept designed for ultra comfort and relaxation. The soft floating upper part is supported by the magnetic force generated by the bottom base. No matter if you want to work and sit with comfort or simply a power nap to release the stress, you can always enjoy your time to relax on the floating cloud."
- esther ♥ ♫
from Bookmarklet
kurt, thank you! that looks gorgeous.
- esther ♥ ♫
Yeah, I was about to make the chauvinistic remark that a Dutch guy invented the floating bed.
- Ton Zijp
@Kurt Hah... I didn't think that magnetic bed was real. William Gibson mentioned it in Spook Country. I assumed it was artistic license.
- Matt Mastracci
Matt, to figure out if this is real, see if you can find more pictures of it from different angles.
- Kamilah Gill
@Kurt - Looks pretty cool. My previous comment was remarking on the fact that someone had actually designed this magnetic bed that I'd seen described in a novel. :) Since it seems to look exactly as described in the book, I'm guessing William Gibson used the mockup image as his inspiration.
- Matt Mastracci
@Kurt whoa, pure minimalism at it's best!
- Nia
from fftogo
Beth's Blog: How Nonprofits Can Use Social Media: Guest Post by Lina Srivastava: Building Cultural Engagement for Change Through Media and Narrative - http://beth.typepad.com/beths_b...
Ok, I have 5,061 subscribers. Seems crazy high for the engagement I see on my stream. Let's see how many of you actually exist around these parts: Comment plz! (Remember when I got called out a few months ago for not participating enough on FF? It worked!)
but I'm not a subscriber :) You can't really know, because as people comment this entry, all their followers get the "friend of a friend" item in their feed. Go figure who among those participants are subscribed to you.
- Jérôme Flipo
Sarrita - You do realize you're going to pull more than just your subscribers right? We're blasting this out to all our friends of friends too.
- Matthew DeVries
I have to admit, it's pretty fun to watch you guys comment in real-time. Good thing I have nothing else to do all day. Matthew DeV- yeah, I know, not a perfect system. I guess my point is that FF sub numbers are misleading, there are a lot of DOA accounts!!
- Sarah Lane
Loved you on AOTS1000. How was the Chalula?
- GMar
I feel Marty thinks TWiF is getting to be a real pain in the butt. Maybe you could all convince Leo to move it to San Fran? I'm sure he'd get even better guests/hosts to move to a 24/7 format...?
- Jude
Hello Sarah. I think yours was the first feed I subscribed to when I joined FF.
- Thomas
just so we're clear on this... i'm not commenting because you asked... i'm commenting because i want to
- Chris Heath
Matthew DeV- I'll pass along! Jude- hmm, I'll think about that one. Chris H- FINE! BE THAT WAY!
- Sarah Lane
Well I'm not hanging on every word, but I enjoy your stuff.
- Chris Menning
I am alive and well, how are you doing?
- Gary Oswald
Thanks Sarah. You have a standing invitation to be on our show and just chat about whatever happens on FriendFeed, tech, etc. DM me if you are interested and we will make it happen. (also we have a room/group on FF http://friendfeed.com/ffunder... )
- Josh Haley
FFundercats: Diggnation minus the cult of personality?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel - there's a live thread (Real time FTW) with the podcast, and direct interaction with that thread. I usually have Friday plans, but when I don't it's a supremely fun time.
- Matthew DeVries
Hurrah! Nice to see you posting here, even if it isn't for anything interesting.
- Kenton
Hullo there...you are still in my main feed... :)
- JA Castillo
John W- oh, I'm sure they exist somewhere, just wondering if it's here, too. ;) Chris M- casual enjoyment is enough for me! Kenton- oh please, this is riveting stuff! (I'm subscribing left and right due to this conversation, so thanks for speaking up and helping me find you!)
- Sarah Lane
Yes, I remember when you got called out a few months back for not participating. It was me that called you out. I refer to that, now deleted post, as "The Emperor's New Clothes" post. After I was condemned for daring to ask why cewebrity accounts on FriendFeed were given such an inordinate amount of attention considering there's no reciprocation on the part of the poster, my question...
more...
- Christopher Harley
Sarah - I've enjoyed your posts as I see them float down the stream :)
- Jennifer Dittrich
Mike N- it counts for a sub from me! Although the first thing I saw was a post about your laptop, your mom, and porn. Let's see how this relationship goes. :)
- Sarah Lane
Yet another try at creating the longest thread on FF? ;)
- Holger Eilhard
I'm listening, but I don't know what to say.
- Donald Forth
Well, this is certainly a nice hefty thread... but I think I've made the point that clearly the large majority of my followers aren't actually paying attention (for example, my BFF Kim Kardashian). :)
- Sarah Lane
She is just jealous that you get to hang with Martin on Fridays.
- Eric Geller
made the best of day.... who the hell are you?
- Noah David Simon
Sarah Lane is the wife of Leo Laporte of Twit Live. Her son is Kevin Rose of Digg fame. And she is only 30.
- Mark
...and I'm supposed to know that? how can her son be of Digg if she is 30?
- Noah David Simon
Only if you've used the internet for more than 8 minutes in the last decade.
- Matthew DeVries
twif rocks, U & sargent are halarious. ive been watching since techTv days. Martin's cadillac RIP
- echostreamer
all I know is this woman has issues that people are following her... and I wasn't following her till she had issues. what a paradox! ....wait a minute... she sounds like a feminist!
- Noah David Simon
If that's all you know, then that's all you read, but there's more to know and you've just decided not to assimilate it. Say Luh Vee.
- Matthew DeVries
martins lobster tweet was hilarious and so was your calling him out. Also "who Tila Tiquilla?" was great line. been watching since techtv. follow me if you'd like on FF and Twitter @echostreamers
- echostreamer
love to listen to your on Twit network. Since I installed FF on computer, I see your streams more. usually I click on links that people post if it seems interesting to me. usually don't comment though. keep it up!
- kent williams
Hello.You've been on my favorites list for a while now. I'm just sparatic about my interaction, and often get distracted by stuff like Sims 3 and WoW when at the computer.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
after looking at the bios in this thread, if every1 in this thread started a tech company together, im pretty sure it would replace google tomorow. im not sure i am even qualified to be in this conversation
- echostreamer
Ok, now I *have* to go participate in a Current TV happy hour. Boo hoo, unlucky me. Will check back later. Thx to everybody who reached out so far. It's great to have those of you not already on my radar, on my radar. :)
- Sarah Lane
How will I explain this to my grand children?
- barce
from iPhone
You're going to have to try a lot harder to get rid of us.
- Gus Cuddy
from iPod
I think it's safe to say that this was a success
- Steve Poland
Gus- I don't want to get rid of you! Silly Gus.
- Sarah Lane
Of course you don't. Heh. Naw, just kiddin. And you don't know how many times I've been called Silly Gus. I think it has a certain ring to it.
- Gus Cuddy
from iPod
I'm not in your stream, your not in my stream, and still everything is lively.
- Amit Morson
I am not a subscriber, nor do I have any idea what your normal content is like, but I can imagine that some percentage of your subscribers did so purely because your avatar is an attractive woman (and you have a females name). I'm not saying this to belittle your contributions; just sharing an observation of male behavior. -- huh, I just went and looked at your profile (I had never heard of you). I'll add your celebrity status as another reason people might follow without planning on engaging.
- Bill Rawlinson
Hello. I'm not a subscriber, but since someone I follow commented, I felt the need to say "Hi" too. Hello from Washington, DC. The only times I comment on FriendFeed are: 1) it's funny, 2) it's about dogs, 3) it's about cutting-edge tech. Since you called out the "lurkers" on FF, I'm here. ;)
- Ken & Kiyomi
Whew! Just catching up on all your lovely comments. Thanks everyone! Now, we're only missing about 4,600 folks. Send out the search party! Kidding, kidding.... I was just really curious as to who was actually around and paying attention. >^__^< <----- my first ASCII cat ever
- Sarah Lane
Thomas, http://friendfeed.com/sarahla... or http://friendfeed.com/sarahla... will have comment boxes at the bottom always so you don't even need to click - opening the entry/item in it's own window is the key (clicking the timestamp like josh haley said will do that) then if you want the clean embed version you just add ?embed=1 to the url, or click the timestamp again - it's that simple
- Chris Heath
The only way to follow someone is if you follow fewer than 5,061 'people'
- Terris Linenbach
Hello from Cambridgeshire, Englandshire. Now, where do I put the stamp on this thing?
- Ben Aldhouse
Terris- no, that's the number of people subscribed to me... I can't imagine following 5,061 people! Think of the real-time scrolling! Aaaah!
- Sarah Lane
Well, it *was* the number of people subscribed to me. A few more now.. hi everyone!
- Sarah Lane
Tell us about the beginning of this FF post grandpa! Well kids, when I was a young man, Sarah Lane posted a question about having five thousand followers... (long old man story) ... and the post survives to this day, in the year 2074. Back when this thread started, the machines hadn't taken over yet...
- Dave Friedel
Hey there from the back woods of British Columbia
- Trent Shields
I'm like you, most of the time I don't eat anything with my coffee. It's basically something I have after I've eaten.
- Paul
Almost always without food (unless it's a dessert in a restaurant). More importantly, I DO NOT dunk stuff in my coffee: the crumbs left behind are nauseating in texture. If I am eating something like a doughnut or cookie, I'll take a bite and then have a swig of coffee. NEVER DUNK.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I drink free black coffee with no food. I mean, I'm not against a starbucks with a biscotti, but it's rare for me.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Coffee is like water, but caffeinated and with flavour; you do not need food to quench a thirst.
- Michael W. May
I don't drink coffee at all, is that weird? I drink lots of water though.
- Will Higgins™
I'm glad I'm not alone (no Will, it's not weird you don't drink coffee), I find if I eat while drinking coffee, then I'll only have one cup. On crappy coffee days, that's not a bad thing but when the coffee is yummy, I kind of want to savor it.
- Admiral Anika
Not really. I have a granola bar in the morning while the coffee is brewing. I usually drink it at work w/o food, but I do sometimes have a donut with coffee.
- Alan Simpson
I have to drink coffee (or tea) with food, or I get nasty acid tummy. Luckily, I can drink most sodas solo.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Hardly ever drink coffee...maybe a latte once a year; use it in cooking, usually chocolate desserts to enhance flavor fairly often.
- Derrick
Yes, but when I can, I like to dunk a biscotti into my coffee and eat it that way before actually drinking my coffee. It gets little biscotti crumbs in my coffee, but I don't care. :)
- Cheryl Jones
Yes, most definitely. I have coffee first thing, black and alone.
- edythe
from iPhone
I do both. My first cup is usually by itself, but subsequent ones may be accompanied by food. Sometimes I'll have coffee with lunch or dinner, depending on what I'm eating.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I think dunking pastries/cookies into coffee is a Filipino cultural thing (not just Filipino, but I know Filipinos do this). I know my dad told me that at breakfast time, they would often dunk biscuits or bread into coffee...
- Cheryl Jones
On weekdays. On weekends, I eat food with my coffee.
- Kevin Pedraja
I often drink my coffee with just coffee.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
I either have my coffee after a meal or all by itself, unless I'm somewhere I can get an Apple Cinnamon Muffin. <Drools on thoughts of the Muffin>
- Parth Awasthi
Penny, (and Louis) - It is really interesting to see the many different directions this can go. For example, there are so many people who must be flexible and develop the ability to adapt because of health issues. A customer I am working with right now is focused on the area of resiliency for people dealing with terminal or long term, serious illnesses. If you are interested, please check out facebook.com/turningpointkc. Thanks!
- Tobin Truog
I'm looking for great tech/socialmedia/web blogs that most people have never heard of...the only condition is that they post once a month at least (and that they're interesting of course...) .... and it can be yours.
Wink WInk. Nudge Nudge. :) - But seriously, I have stumbled across a few by randomly clicking stuff here in FF, so hopefully those people see this thread.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
long, analytic articles: http://blog.agoeldi.com/ (english blog from a swiss entrepreneur living now in Boston. Disclosure: He's also one of the authors of the german techblog I'm the editor of.)
- Marcel Weiß
I'd love some more exposure for Shared Creation - http://www.sharedcreation.com. Its starting to turn into a useful resource so any shout out to help it along would be great
- Robert Davies
Mine of course! :) http://www.dailypatricia.com -- i wouldn't say it's a social media blog, but i write alot about the internet platform and business around it.
- Patricia
www.futurity.org showcases original research from universities regarding tech, the web, society, etc. It's actually run by the universities themselves
- LANjackal
One side benefit is that I might subscribe to any here I haven't seen before, which makes them candidates for next months' lists.
- Louis Gray
well http://minZuD.com may qualify as a Tech blog. Its a tumblr tumblelog I maintain. Has a lot of your stuff in it Zee. It's easy on the eye and is something I am proud to maintain.
- ZuDfunck
Web/tech/social media - check.... Nobody has heard of - check... Once a month - check.... Interesting - I'll let you be the judge. http://www.jimyiapanis.com
- Jim
http://www.socialfeds.com | Blog with a gov2.0 "roundup" front page, topic is social media/new media in the government.
- Sara
http://www.communityorganizer20.com/ - this focuses on social media/web uses by nonprofits. Some of it is very basic, but there isn't any other blog like this that's not just basically self-promotion for some consultant.
- Amy℠
Hi Zee- one of the ones that I enjoy is Paul Bradshaw's Online Journalism Blog at http://onlinejournalismblog.com. He focuses on worldwide online journalism but integrates tech, tech analysis and the analysis of the ever-changing state of the web. - submitted by Debra Askanase
- Debra Askanase
since you asked my own www.the-techshop.com
- Rob Cairns
Everyone has heard of this one, by Valeria Maltoni, but I HAVE JUST GOT TO SHAMELESSLY PROMOTE this blog: Conversation Agent!!! I love that blog!!! http://www.conversationagent.com/
- J. D. Ebberly
I write http://www.bagofspanners.com - I'm a software developer / web designer - it's filled with stuff I have discovered, found interesting, or want to remember :)
- Jonathan Beckett
I recently launched Social Photo Talk, focusing on the intersection of social media with the photography industry (specifically aimed at photographers): http://www.socialphototalk.com
- Aaron B. Hockley
July 10th, 2009: jcunwired won this week with his wise choise of 8162. DJIA closed down for 4th week in a row at 8,146.52. Last week's guesses: http://friendfeed.com/dow-gue... Please leaver your guesses for next week as comments on this thread and thanks for playing!
Very cool product. Would have been nice if they were clearer about what the product actually is on the home page - had to dig thru to the products page to know that it was a solvent you apply to a surface. Wasn't sure if the product was a solvent/coating or if it was in the marker. I would buy this.
- Kamath (नमः)
This product has been around for awhile, right? I could have sworn I've seen this stuff in non-web media.
- Zach Landes
Zach, yeah I'm sure but very cool! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Oh, definitely Kol. If I were building one of those trendy silicon valley offices (kinda like the one in the photo...)I'd totally have to add this.
- Zach Landes
Or if I were a parent of a 3 year old. My sis & her husband just bought a house. They could so use this given my niece's affinity for crayons.
- Kamath (नमः)
I was looking at this just yesterday for the room we'll be homeschooling in. I'm excited to try it.
- Heather Solos
Ironically, I just finished making a homemade white board with clear acrylic and some hardboard and some woodworking. If only I had know, I could saved a lot of work....
- Jim
This is so cool. I was actually talking with someone yesterday about having a room with whiteboard in my house. So this was very useful. THanks!
- *Tiffany Diamond*
Just wait til the late 2010s, when nanotechnologically-based paints appear. You will be able to paint computer screens onto any surface in your home.
- J. D. Ebberly
"An American College of Sports Medicine study from 2004, for example, measured the calories burned running and walking over 1600 meters (around a mile) on a treadmill for 12 men and 12 women. The average calories the men burned running was 124 and 88 calories burned walking. The women burned 105 and 74 calories respectively. That's a 30 percent difference. (The men burned more because they weighed more.) However, running doesn't always burn more calories than walking, and once again, this has to do with efficiency of movement. If you jog at a slow, barely-pick-up-your-feet pace, you'll burn a respectable 8 calories per minute -- but walking at a pace that is so speedy you have to wiggle your hips and swing your arms madly to keep yourself from breaking into a run can burn a massive 15 calories per minute. The so called "cross over" or "gray zone" pace, where walking becomes very strenuous, occurs somewhere at around 4 to 5 miles per hour for most people. So in other words, a 150-pound...
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- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
Also a matter of what you'll do. If I walk a mile a day while doing my daily errands, I'll be much more likely to stick to doing it every day than if I force myself to run for 20 minutes. Researchers are obsessed with efficiency, not compliance.
- Wirehead
Definitely a quality vs. quantity argument. Going fast and hard only works if you go you fast and hard repeatedly. Slow and steady still wins the race. It's about consistency, I guess :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I routinely walk at 4.3 mph. Fast walking for me is about 5 mph.
- J. D. Ebberly
I usually burn 100 calories per mile I run I have found...
- orionstarr
Don't worry about the choice.. just get up and get moving.
- Sean
At a Stanford run/walk, one of the signs said that for every minute you spend running, you gain two minutes of life. NO idea if this is true. Anyone? Having a lower heart rate...may be more healthy, but if your heart can only beat X times (the theory behind why low-calorie-consumption mice live longer), then the excess heart beats you use during all that aerobic exercise might wipe out...
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- Mitchell Tsai
In the end it's all about how you feel and if you're happy.
- Rutger Blom
from email
These comments are better than the article...
- Lo
"walking at a pace that is so speedy you have to wiggle your hips and swing your arms madly to keep yourself from breaking into a run can burn a massive 15 calories per minute" - that reminds me of the Olympic speed-walking events, like in that Comcast commercial a couple years back: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Bryan Zirkel
Well, to be fair to Jim Fixx, he did live 10 years longer than his dad. Every study I've seen seems to indicate that at least a moderate amount of exercise is better for your lifespan than none.
- Wirehead
Very interesting reading. Thanks for sharing!
- Rutger Blom
from email
IMHO, trying to count calories and then work out calorie burn is just asking for a brainache. Much easier to say "I gained 1 pound last week, therefore I am eating 500 calories too many".
- Wirehead
So today I ran 7 miles burnt 850 calories and walked 2 miles! Best of both worlds...
- orionstarr
fast walking. no pussy walking. do it brisk for 2 hours
- Noah David Simon
I want some too!!!!! oh wait, I have a plate of brownies in my refrigerator. *runs to get brownies* carry on!
- Katy S
I love Anika and Cecily both so much I had to post their favorite snack. Of course I'm sure I'll be countered with tons of guacamole pics. BLEH.
- Derrick
What am I, chopped liver? I want brownies too!!
- jcunwired
1. It's substanceless. It's impossible to say anything of real value within 140 characters. Why do you think so many people are using it to share links instead of their own personal insight? Because no one can make a substantial point using three word sentences!
- Brad Williamson
2. It's turning into MySpace. Ya know how back in the day so many people wanted to inflate the amount of friends they have so they could be PERCEIVED as being popular? Well that's happening on Twitter right now. Unless you or your entity is a public figure, there's no way all those followers are listening to you. As a regular Twitter user who isn't any type of well-known thought leader,...
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- Brad Williamson
3. Here's how a Twitter conversation unfolds: 1. I write a Tweet (I hate saying that word). 2. Moments later, a person replies to that Tweet as best they can in 140 characters. 3. Because I haven't been on Twitter in a couple hours, I finally see their response and do my best to reply to them in 140 characters. 4. Hours later, my response is seen and replied to. ...This delayed...
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- Brad Williamson
4. All the hype is causing mainstream news organizations to OVERUSE the platform. Valuable on-air time is being used to either see what Twitterers are saying (in 140 characters, NOT MUCH) about an issue, or they're asking us to follow them during time on segments when they're supposed to be reporting news.
- Brad Williamson
5. Public figures are starting to believe that all it takes to be considered someone who is "fan friendly" is to write, or for their assistants to write, quick little tweets. As a fan of certain celebrity Twitterers, I find it to be insulting that they think they can satisfy my hunger to gain deeper insight into their lives with this lazy approach to fan "engagement."
- Brad Williamson
I use twitter primarily to converse on hot trending topics :)
- Swaroop
I'll post more of my beef with with Twitter in a bit. In the meantime, let's hear some well thought out reasons why Twitter is awful so that those who love the platform can feel a frenzy to argue back ;-)
- Brad Williamson
@Swaroop Do you feel like you can express comprehensive thoughts on trending topics within your limited character space?
- Brad Williamson
Twitter is/was/will be a big success owing to fact that people don't have time to blog (I know some ppl still manage to pull this off), but most of them would just like to dump their quick thoughts onto a platform easily reachable.
- Swaroop
@Brad: Agree to the fact that expressing a huge belief couldn't be done in 140 chars, but that's where we have conversations (Reply to a tweet) right ? For scattered conversations - I am still able to successfully stay in loop/touch with the trends & friends
- Swaroop
@Swaroop Why wouldn't you use Facebook, or any other social media platform that allows you to breath a little, to share yourself with friends and family?
- Brad Williamson
It is changing as do all children as they grow up. So far, I still like it. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I don't feel like I can have a conversation on twitter without threads
- Ryan
@Brad: I'm using Facebook - But it's too personal for scattered thoughts. Sometimes strangers are better judges for random crazy ideas/or when some work related help (some technical prob). Plus I do have the twitter app repeating the tweets back in Facebook for those one or two friends who don't tweet.
- Swaroop
@Brad: Like your image on Blue "ugly" duckling *ahem* bird
- Swaroop
@Matthew Besides the Trending Topics (which has just tuned into a "FOLLOW ME!!" soapbox) and a few other little improvements, I personally don't think it's evolved that much. To me, it's still a constrained conversation prison (I wonder if that made any sense ;-)
- Brad Williamson
@Swaroop HAHA! Yeah, when I saw that pic, I knew it would be perfect for this conversation ;-)
- Brad Williamson
I like it for what it is and if Twitter expands options that will be a good thing. This site 'Friendfeed' offers more options for expression--I like that feature also, even better, I like the cc feature to Twitter. All social sites will eventually, I think, become an octopus like entity with many arms linked to one another in clouds.
- Johnice Reid
@Johnice I think we all can agree that FriendFeed is the king of of the real-time ring.
- Brad Williamson
6. Using Twitter often forces you to have to say out loud the word "Tweet." I swear, if that word is ever included in the dictionary in the coming years, I'm gonna lose all respect for the English language.
- Brad Williamson
7. The suggested users list represents a desperate attempt to encourage people to become engaged in the site. Not only will those suggested users never reply to anything you say to them, but it's likely that you won't be a fan of any of them in the first place.
- Brad Williamson
8. The Trending Topics feature has already become a spam machine. Sure, some people leave relevant comments within these topics, but, for the most part, it's just used as a place to get new people to follow them.
- Brad Williamson
It is Schrodinger's birdy I think of it as a quantum communication. I am speaking to everyone and no one at the same time.
- Robert Higgins
9. It's hogging all the hype that FriendFeed deserves.
- Brad Williamson
@LLL Your experience of FriendFeed would be much more enjoyable if you wouldn't privatize your feed. I'm just sayin' ;-)
- Brad Williamson
10. It's sad how many people say that traditional blogging is dead and Twitter is the future. How can constrained commentary and conversation trump a platform that is limitless in function? With such a philosophy it would seem like our culture is doing everything it can to embrace a dumbed-down appreciation of ideas and information. Twitter's current popularity gives it the influence to...
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- Brad Williamson
Twitter is on the bottom of a very large trend, it will be as ubiquitous as email. But yeah Brad they will have to replace wikipedia with twikipedia. Explain the 10th Convention of the Parties on Biodiversity in 140 characters.
- Robert Higgins
Brad -- permit me to voice a contrarian opinion on Twitter. :) I think it is currently the world's premier news distribution system. I used to share your views on Twitter until I realized that tweets can point to documents of any type or size, including long articles, books, dissertations, movies, etc. -- one click and you are on the full document. Now I use Twitter to track the latest news from dozens of high-quality news sources. For discussions, I use Friendfeed mostly.
- Sean McBride
An appalling lack of features and reliability
- LANjackal
Good article Brad. I think you make some very good points.
- Kevin J Hatton
The lack of features is really the only thing that bugs me. I can't believe a company with as much venture capital as they have and as huge of a userbase hasn't managed to innovate.... at all. I still use Twitter religiously, as that's where the majority of my friends and connections are, but I really wish they'd fix some things.
- mike fabio
Peoplebrowsr is overflowing with features for managing Twitter.
- Sean McBride
I agree with Sean. I use it to track news from various sources as well as the thoughts of others. I post quick links to things from the web that I want to share, but if I have an opinion to share in the form of a longer-form response to something, I'll blog that, then usually post a link to it on Twitter. I'm new to FriendFeed and still trying to figure out how to fit it into my flow, but i like its ability to do much of what Twitter does without the 140char limit.
- Kevin Arth
It's easier to just crosspost tweets to something with more features like Facebook. That way if someone has a follow up they can put it there instead. Other than that it's mostly a glorified mailing list, though I think Dane Cook proved to us that even that has some use.
- Ben Blackford
Who wants to read about what strangers are eating for dinner without at least seeing pictures of the food?
- Amy℠
Twitter may be awful but guess what? I tried to get people to come to Friendfeed and they didn't. So it's what we live with.
- Morton Fox
I love twitter because it allows me to use it exactly how I want to. Follow and unfollow and block allow spam to effect me very little. IF you are autofollowing and auto dming then spam will ruin it for you and in fact... you are spam. Its only awful if you let it be awful. it is awful as a ongoing conversation tool, but not what it was built to be I dont think. A baseball bat is a...
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- Cody Heitschmidt
One of the ways in which it is awful is that you cannot have a discussion like this. When public search worked properly you could follow conversations there but that part of the Twitter experience is broken for me and many others; which leads me to a second way it is awful - the apparent unresponsiveness of Twitter in addressing the search problem, but I am going to comment on that in tollie williams' Twitter search question.
- Phil Harrison
I hate that historical posts have no real use. After 10 to 20 posts no one cares about what was posted before that. Plus the search is crappy.
- tomit
from iPhone
What about ways in which it is not crappy. For me It has been an excellent introduction to new people (globally) and mediums (such as friendfeed). I have made new friends and acquaintances that I enjoy communicating with and yes a few of them are famous people who really do try to communicate and they have my admiration for that. Now that I have been introduced to friendfeed, however, Twitters' flaws are more and more apparent.
- Phil Harrison
discussion on Twitter is strongly constricted by the (in)famous 140 char limits. I tends to look with interest to new experiments like Qaiku, where there is a true conversation model, where replies are not conditioned by length...
- Marco Castellani
I like Twitter, but the Visigoths have definitely stormed the gates with spam posts, links to their own blogs, zero conversation, and WAY too many hashtags. In short, it isn't Twitter that sucks - it's we users who suck.
- Ciaoenrico
1. Spam followers! 2. updates that are not relevant to me at all.
- Rohit
Twitter sucks but thanks to FriendFeed we can discuss why.
- Sivan Mozes
RT Let's all give our personal perspectives on why Twitter is AWFUL
- elefantastico
When you get dropped off the Twitter search, your Twitter life is effectively over. I have been dropped off the Twitter search since June 10, and I have a broken heart that shall never mend. I loved #Journchat with all my heart. I was never in my entire life as happy as I was in Journchat on Twitter. Now, I will never again be able to participate in Journchat. When you get dropped off...
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- J. D. Ebberly
Same thing happened to me buddy. Apparently once you get dropped off Twitter Search, it's permanent
- LANjackal
from IM
Great points 1-10 Brad! I would only add that twitter search sux (for more than this dropping issue that JD and LANj are talking about) because it only goes back in time a short period of time. I do find twitter useful but wish everyone was on ff instead... that would be more useful. :-)
- Chris Heath
Twitter is like a food you really don't like, so you just don't eat it. 140 characters limits creativity but if you can't get a point across within those limits your language skills are lacking or you are using the wrong medium to make your point. Plenty of people do get Twitter and use it creatively. If it's not for you, stay away. No-one is insisting you use it.
- Gilbert Harding
I don't really think the spam criticism is fair. If FriendFeed had the same amount of users as Twitter then there would be the same amount of spam. Also, if people are spamming you just unfollow them. The only real problem is the spam in the trending topics. Personally, I love Twitter and FriendFeed. I don't mind using both.
- Shawn Hickman
Don't really like twitter, but I agree. Spam on the network is very easy to avoid unless you're automatically following everyone who follows you, which is just plain stupid IMO
- LANjackal
from IM
Why I find Twitter to be valuable (a few feeds I follow): Antiwarcom, alleyinsider, amnesty, atul, bbcpolitics, bbcscitech, BreakingNews, CBSNews, CFR_org, cnnbrk, cqpolitics, dailydish, DavidCornDC, DemocracyNow, dorait, EFF, foxnew_pol, FP_Passport, Gizmodo, glenngreenwald, guardiannews, guardiantech, haaretzonline, harpers, huffingtonpost, HuffPolitics, infowarsstories,...
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- Sean McBride
WOW. Thanks for the list of Twitterers who are worth following. But I gotta strike back with a counter point... Instead of Twitter, why not use an RSS reader to filter through their latest content, where you can read the entire headline as well as the article's by-line?
- Brad Williamson
Brad -- actually, I am experimenting on a regular basis with using Google Reader, Feedly, Friendfeed and Peoplebrowsr as front ends for browsing and managing Twitter feeds. I haven't yet settled on any one interface as the best (my opinion keeps changing from day to day and with experience). Also, I have noticed that as a rule 140 characters provide more than enough space for the artful...
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- Sean McBride
Twitter = Divas, Wanabe Divas, People on Prozak and Spammers! There are a few nice people there, but it is really hard to have a conversation! So unless you have a large following, the best way to use Twitter is to follow the peeps you are interested in, and then go to their blogs, FaceBook, etc, to talk with!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Twitter = some of the best news sources and minds on the planet. Twitter is only as good as the feeds you choose to follow.
- Sean McBride
You people have an awful lot to say about something you dislike. No one is forcing you to use Twitter. No one will resent you if you leave.
- Tal Shafik
@Sean, so Twitter is for broadcasting, if you have a following. Twitter is not for dialogue!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Actually it's far more useful to me the more people that are on it. But is least interesting in feeds from self appointed A listers. I avoid those and all is good.
- Cole Jolley
Igor -- yes: Twitter is primarily a *broadcasting* medium, and nearly useless as a discussion medium. Friendfeed is probably the world's premier discussion medium. Friendfeed could easily match Twitter as a broadcasting medium simply by providing the option to hide all comments under a list view interface (with one click to open the discussions).
- Sean McBride
Sivan Mozes hahahah... that is so true. It's like Friendfeed users need to constantly remind and assure themselves they did the right thing leaving Twitter
- Andre P. Siregar
we didn't leave twitter.. twitter left us. - joking aside though i don't think there's many ff users who don't have a twitter account maybe 10%... maybe (if i had to guess)
- Chris Heath
I think the market is big enough for facebook, twitter and friendfeed. Google wave will only strengthen twitter further with its extension Twave. Twitter has all the high profile people in it.. celebs, technologists, u name it.Twitter has its identity as a microblogging social network, Friendfeed has its identity as an aggregator with microbloggin features.Both hav their place. I think most will shift their base to facebook from twitter once facebook unveals the "everyone button"...
- Gtp19
there is not many desktop and phone clients for friendfeed.. any social network is nothing without its users.. i think more the people get to know about and use twitter, there is much of a chance for them to use friendfeed.
- Gtp19
Brad, point #10 is the most relevant in my opinion. Despite illusions to the contrary, our culture has been barreling down the "dumbed down" path for quite some time. I hate to think what the future will hold if we continue this pattern.
- John