Mine is "Well-behaved women rarely make history" - Eleanor Roosevelt I had it engraved on my Ipod Shuffle
- Shevonne
That one always makes me laugh - I'm not that big of a quote person, but Samuel Johnson's is pretty deep. If you think about it, a person who treats someone well who can do nothing for him is usually caring, aware, cultured, secure, and an overall good person. Oh! I also like Yoda's "Do or do not. There is no try." That one's pretty deep too.
- Mona Nomura
Very true! Yes! Yoda's quote comes in handy with those victim wannabes.
- Shevonne
I've been noticing a recurring thought on FriendFeed about seeing the of the same group of people over and over again. My question is: Would you rather see the conventional A-listers "running tings" here or a bunch of us no-listers?
I want people who are active, who are enthusiastic about giving their time to the site.
- Richard A.
I don't see the conventional A-listers running things here...which is why I'm here.
- Alex Scoble
Are you referring to those "who should I sub to" posts? Speaking to that, the same clique participates in those for the most part and all suggest one another. My favorites here never make those lists. I think we're all capable of making our own decisions. We don't all have the same interests or reasons for being here.
- Anika
I see a bunch of both, as I'm subscribed to about 11.6k people. I guess its time for you to increase the people you're subscribed to Shey ;)
- Nicholas James
Anika, who are your favorites and why don't you add them to the lists? BTW sorry for not listing you...so hard to remember everyone that you follow and participate with, not that that's much of an excuse.
- Alex Scoble
The conventional A-Listers are far from running tings 'round here.
- Carlos Ayala
on an aside, how do you subscribe to 11.6K people? am I missing an easy method to do it besides clicking on a person one-by-one?
- grant fox
Well Scoble has been on FF for a while, plus one day he sat down and invited everyone to sub to him and he subbed back
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I come to social networking sites because the information in aggregate is unbiased. if I start conforming to lists and filter out people due to popularity, I skew the information. Granted, some of you 'A-Listers' tend to ring my bell more than most.
- grant fox
I'd rather see everyone run things. I'm too busy to have that put on my shoulders.
- Robert Scoble
Grant: I subscribed to each one one-by-one, except for the 7,000 who were automatically added because I already followed them on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Eventually with things like "Subscribe Sunday", and other rooms you discover, us no-listers will get more "known" but as long as we provide value and participate things should work out in the end because of our pure intentions.
- Amani
Amani: you're right. The ones who bring unique content in here AND participate get noticed, er, "liked."
- Robert Scoble
I'd rather see no one "running things" or anyone telling other people how to use FF. My ideal FF would be where everyone uses it the way they want, subscribes to who they want, and no one pays any attention to anyone else who wants to dictate who to listen to and how to properly use FF.
- Trish R
I agree with @Trish R - let us use how we want.
- Thom Allen
+1 Trish -- I meant "running tings" in terms of popularity -- not in terms of telling people how to use the services
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
the friend-market never lies...interesting comments that generate others will rise to the top over time and the authors become known...darwin would have loved twitter!
- dromologue
Variety is the spice of life, i like anything interesting regardless of proprietor.
- Steve C
Every hour is Earth hour. So there.
- Morgan Haley
I don't consider anyone "A-list" in the sense that you're referring to -- there are those people who are well known on the internet but that still does not make them likeable or even worth reading. It's all objective. There are several well known people online who are active on FF, and they should be followed and listened to, but people should still make those decisions for themselves.
- Trish R
@Shey, LOL ... some people may misunderstand your Jamaican use of the phrase "running tings ..." ....
- Amani
@Amani YES -- I just realized that. Sometimes I just need to bus' out :P
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Trish: we have decentralized moderation here on friendfeed. On this post, for instance, Shey can delete my comments. So there's social pressure on me to behave in a way that will keep Shey happy. Same thing on my posts. This is why friendfeed is pretty resistant to spam and assholes.
- Robert Scoble
Well, yes, Shey can delete anyone's comments on here if he chooses to, but I would think the only pressure on you to behave in Shey's thread is not to call him an asshole or insult him in another way. That doesn't mean everyone else is or isn't "running tings" elsewhere on FF, just on their own posts.
- Trish R
In the sense that Shey said "running tings," there are people everywhere in society who are more popular than others or who get more attention from the masses. In terms of content, I give just as much credibility to Robert Scoble's comments on a thread as John Doe, a new user who is followed by 3 people. To me, that's the beauty of FF.
- Trish R
I think it's funny that you lump yourself in the no-lister group, Shey, as I tend to lump you in with the FF A-listers. Just goes to show, it's all about perspective.
- ♥patricia♥
Other than Scoble, I didn't even know any of you were A-listers. I haven't been genuflecting or bowing or any of that protocol stuff.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't want to see any group of people "running things". I want to see neat stuff and have interesting conversations. To that end, I'm on a campaign to follow everybody and make heavy use of filters.
- Ken Sheppardson
Matthew, didn't my tiara give it away? :D *ahem* On a serious note, I sure as hell would never have put myself on any FF A-list list. Now, if we're talking about who's active, I think I make myself known.
- ♥patricia♥
The people that bug me most are the people who constantly say not to tell them how to use something, to let them use it the way they want. It's like they don't even understand that entering into a framework such as this implies that you do want to use it.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, not everyone uses it exactly the same way. If I print out this post, will all of you autograph it for me? :-)
- Trish R
I think the A-list thing is BS & and kind of offensive when i comes to FriendFeed (aside from Scoble & Hawk who participate), if you're looking for a stream of A-Listers subscribe to their RSS from their Blogs, re: Friendfeed though, it is qualitatively different as its main appeal and structure is built around active participation through comments and shares,
- sofarsoShawn
Trish - But people get down to the really silly with those replies. "I don't want to add friends, I should have to follow people get content, that is not how I use FRIENDFEED, it needs to work better as an RSS reader so I can use it the way I want" *shoots self*
- Matthew DeVries
don't know about A-listers, but you're all more than welcomed to my Home (feed) ;-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir Hadzhiev is one of my A-listers for sure. Still trying to figure out a way to clone him and get 2x more signal
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@sofarsoshawn, I agree. In fact, I was just having this conversation with a blogger about the label "mommyblogger." There are well known bloggers now who have been chosen by the MSM or appointed themselves as speakers for all mothers online, when they never interact with anyone. That seems to be the piece that a lot of people are missing, or the whole key to social media, in my opinion. They should all migrate to NarcissismFeed, not FriendFeed.
- Trish R
What's an A-lister? I mean I know the biggies that are huge in tech and everyone seems to know their names, a la Kevin Rose, Arrington, etc. I consider myself someone who reads people's posts, contributes to others, and posts things that I find interesting. Again, I reiterate, it's one thing to *talk* about social media and what it can do, it's another to just *use* it.
- Derrick
All this A lister crap... I mean, if I go outside and ask ANYONE offline.. you know scoble? arrington? winer or blah blah.. NOT one would say yeah... it's all irrelevant to me... what I care about is seeing decent stuff, interacting with people.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Hehe, Rob, if you asked locals if they knew Scoble, they'd more likely say "The street?" than anything else.
- Alex Scoble
Well, I'll take that as a compliment, but I'm pretty sure I'm an unknown, especially outside of FriendFeed :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
This place is run by everyone... in that sense of self moderation, blocking, following, liking, commenting etc.. there is no rule of having to use it anyway or sub to any person.. WHY i love it here. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rah Doubt it. Your kids, family, and friends know you
- Shevonne
lol @ Alex... but then again, probably not, I mean most here won't know about that either lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
I would like to see new faces around, but the A-listers bring in a lot of interesting stuff.
- Fernando
True, Rob, but the likelihood is much higher that they'll have heard of the town or street of Scoble vs the brothers in America who are on friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
OK... I certainly didn't know there was a town called Scoble. But then I _am_ on FF so I fall in the group of people who know about the American brothers.
- Andy Kruger
LOL@Shevonne. I'm talking strictly online. If we take real life into the equation, even the most popular A-Listers are pretty much unknown.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I don't know, partly because lets face it, ff is filled with geeks... And the kinds of people we think of as A Lister's (and the things they post about) are different to the kinds of things most other people find interesting. We are all to some extent a collection of hothouse flowers. That being said, if you post some thing that other people "like" then for that brief moment you (yes you) run things.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
LOL @ The American Brothers. Are the Scobles the Jonas Brothers of the internet?
- Trish R
Robert: I'm glad you feel that way (A-Listers) about the people you follow. It's a very good way of looking at the people you interact with. If they weren't important in their own right, why bother following them around on the internet?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
If you subscribe to me I am sure I'll do my best to dilute the A list pool.
- petar vucetin
Define "conventional" and "a-listers"? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
the scobelnator is the bomb where he goes coolness follows
- Monique
...you become an A-lister on any service by contributing, by participating in conversations, and by helping build a community around the service: by answering newbies' questions, writing FAQs and tips about the service,etc--helping. You become an A-lister outside of the service by connecting in real-life with people who are doing notable and newsworthy things in various fields. As I recall, he was just another blogger, but it wasn't until Scoble connected with Dave Winer that he picked up A-List momentum...
- .LAG liked that
Scientists sailed out to have a closer look at the eruptions of an undersea volcano off the coast of Tonga in the South Pacific Ocean today. Tonga's head geologist, Kelepi Mafi, said there was no apparent danger to residents of Nuku'alofa and others living on the main island of Tongatapu. Officials also said it may be related to a quake with a magnitude of 4.4 which struck last March 13 around 35 kilometers from the capital at a depth of nearly 150 kilometres. (I know this is an off-day posting, but really, thought the images were worth it - 12 photos total)
- Jeff P. Henderson
from Bookmarklet
"We present 20 of the most ridiculous complaints made by holidaymakers to their travel agent, taken from research by Thomas Cook and ABTA. #1-A tourist at a top African game lodge overlooking a waterhole, who spotted a visibly aroused elephant, complained that the sight of this rampant beast ruined his honeymoon by making him feel "inadequate"."
- Amani
from Bookmarklet
NO way all those are true. I know people are retarded, but DAMNNNNNN
- Shevonne
"I was bitten by a mosquito - no-one said they could bite." "We booked an excursion to a water park but no-one told us we had to bring our swimming costumes and towels." **Two gems I liked**
- Amani
It's not every day that a 250th birthday is celebrated. Come September, it will be two and a half centuries since Arthur Guinness signed a 9000-year lease on a disused brewery at St James Gate in Dublin, Ireland, and started brewing porter ...
I have a video with Edwin uploading right now to http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer that shows off these new features. One note: the article makes it sound like I was working for Feedly. I was not. I did not receive any compensation for inspiring Edwin.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: updated post to read "inspired" not "helped" - It was unclear in Edwin's original wording (see his post), which read "With the help of Robert Scoble...".
- Sarah Perez
Hi Sarah. Thank you very for the write-up. I apologize if the wording of my post was misleading. What I really meant was that we are leveraging Robert and the video he is publishing to launch/announce feedly mini. I will update the post to address this. Regarding Amazon and NYT, they are not yet integrated in the mini but they are integrated in digest: the Amazon module provides product recommendation (you need to opt-in) and the NYT search API is used in the Explore page. Many thanks for the review!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Thanks Sarah. Edwin, the video should be up in a few minutes. It'll get posted here when it's up.
- Robert Scoble
I'm impressed - and I don't get that impressed about too many things :)
- Ian Betteridge
I'm now trying it out and first impressions are very good. Looks like a great tool once I've changed my previous Google Reader habits.
- Joe Buhler
Holy cow. The direct conversation feature is a killer!
- Toni @ NavinoT
"If you've heard of Twitter but don't exactly know what it is or how it works, you're in good company. In the past two months a bunch of my friends, ranging in age from early 20s to late 30s, have asked me about Twitter -- or Tweeter, as one person accidentally called it."
- Kathleen Anderson
from Bookmarklet
I really hate when people call stuff an "X Killer". It's just retarded.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Um... Not exactly... When you include a note on a GReader item that gets ported into FF as the first comment. That means it's *more* likely to catch interaction on FF.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Rah Yeah that was just the move over-used linkbait term of the year
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Why would it be a FF killer? If anything it would be a compliment to FF. When you share your articles on FF from Google Reader you can add a comment.
- John-David Lusan
from fftogo
Maybe the OP thought that FF existed only to annotate other peoples' articles. I'm not sure.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Two men pulled guns and shot each other to death in a crowded toy store Friday after the women with them erupted into a bloody brawl, witnesses said. Scared shoppers fled but no one else was hurt.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
from Bookmarklet
Hell no. FB just doesn't have the functionality.
- Neal Jansons
for a lot people FB is FF :-) (and more)
- Luca Conti
On functionality then friendfeed would be just a temporary step to get your ff over to facebook. I.e. Render FF stream in Facebook stream.
- Andrew Baron
Not feeling it. FB feels heavy. FF feels lightweight.
- Nick Reynolds
FB is very closed and demands too much. FF is very open and demands little.
- LogEx
I do pipe my FF stream to FB, but still live here. More interaction, etc.
- Neal Jansons
FB? Heck no! I hate being restricted to interacting with people that I might already know. I like the fact that I can meet new people on FF that I might never have otherwise encountered.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Heck no! Two totally separate things to me.
- Rochelle
Who cares. Not a single person on my FF is my friend on FB. You guys are not 'real friends' but I do enjoy your company.
- Aaron deMello
No, I think it's simply an different opportunity...it's all about usage.
- Enriqueta
@Aaron People use things differently. My online, professional, and personal lives all overlap, so many of my friends are on multiple services.
- Neal Jansons
i use friendfeed for following news and links. I use facebook to see what my friends are doing. I don't see how facebook could replace what friendfeed offers me.
- Alex Williams
Well even for me FF is a more active community, but I wonder if that will change? FB is picking up a lot of momentum it seems with the people I know and FF seems to be somewhat stable in growth. I thought FF would of picked up more steam by now myself.
- Andrew Baron
FF is the place for me. Fb is where most of my immediate family communicates and that's fine. FF is where i get to expand my community; challenge my thinking; and learn new things. and that's fine, too.
- MikeAmundsen
@Andrew It's always this way for early adoption. Twitter is just starting to get real mainstream adoption...my sister-in-law brought it up at Thanksgiving and I knew Twitter was now going to become normal, so FF will come next.
- Neal Jansons
Andrew do they have an API like FriendFeed?
- Dave Winer
There is no possible way Facebook can replace FriendFeed. The primary reason for this is that they are two different things. For instance, you don't even have a profile page here on FriendFeed and on Facebook, you can only "follow" people who let you. I don't even think you can interact with people outside of your circle. I would also agree that FB is a little too heavy and complicated for what I do here on FF.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Andrew: FB is a different animal. It has 500+ employees. FF has, what, 13? FB has 120+ million users. FF has a few hundred thousand. But, the quality of conversations is much better here and there are no walls to this garden (Google can search it) and there are no stupid rules and no arbitrary limits to how many friends you can have. But, you will find me in both places.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert and @Dave I agree on the shortcomings of FB. Though FB seems to be evolving. The biggest difference for me, is the subject matter of the posts - they are much more newsworthy here as @alex stated. FB is much more social talk. But that has been changing; The FB iphone app separates out the personal from the news and more and more people seem to be posting news links.
- Andrew Baron
I never could find a need for FB - barely ever check in
- BEX
Andrew: wait until you see the video we shot last week at Facebook. I agree that Facebook is interesting again. But NOT as a competitor to FriendFeed. Zuckerberg has other things in his sights.
- Robert Scoble
I totally disagree. Facebook is ok for some things, but it cannot touch FF.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
While I admit that my usage on Facebook has increased heavily recently, I think of Facebook as a tool for a more personal relationship, but there is little way of gaining new friends. With FriendFeed, it is easy to find new people with interests and hold discussions. I think as long as FriendFeed can excel in providing discussion, it will be hard to have an equal.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
I'm finding myself using Facebook way less. I let the FF app insert everything into my wall and just use it to present that stuff to my friends that aren't on FF.
- matthew john ernisse
I definitely feel it. But only because I feel bombarded with information, it's coming from all around me, and FriendFeed is just not that useful to me. It's cool, but why bother with it when I can talk to my friends on Facebook? None of my friends are on FriendFeed. Really other than people into this stuff, who has time for FF?
- Josue Salazar
Andrew, I am just the opposite -- I believe the FriendFeed is replacing the need for Facebook and FF is not draconian like Fb.
- Robert Miller
I have to agree worryingly...............................
- Yatin Vadhia
the reason i use friendfeed is so i can update facebook with all i do without having to go to it every day...
- Samuel Lewis
from twhirl
I don't see them as the same thing at all. I've got to keep up both since I have different types of friends on both services and overall both serve different types of needs. My friends from high school don't use the Internet in the same way that the folks over here on FF do.
- Lynne d Johnson
Nope. I was just thinking last night how Facebook feels kind of sterile and borring to me, while Friendfeed is friendly, easy, and engaging. I go to Facebook a few times a week out of a sense of obligation, but I can never think of anything to do there.
- Laura Norvig
No - Facebook has been wasting my time. Sterile and ZERO interaction! I should be evangelizing Friendfeed.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
i think you're right... i'm finding as many comments to twitter reposts on Facebook as on Friendfeed. Folks are spending a LOT more time in Facebook thanks to the comment thread feature they riffed off of FF.
- Jason Calacanis
Nah. Real-time there is no good. To me it is just a robust contacts list. I like Facebook a lot but it will not be a replacement for me.
- Rolf Schewe
FB is just starting to have more user interaction with regard to comments... YES, FB is gaining steam, but it will be a LONG time before it replaces need for FriendFeed! FB is too limiting / locked down; whereas, FF is more open and easier to collaborate / open
- Susan Beebe
friendfeed has a better feature set for discussion on activity, but for now Facebook has the users. I find I spend much more time on Facebook because most of my contacts use it, only a few people I know in real life use FF now. How do you get people other than early adopters to start using a new service?
- Mike English
There was news last week regarding Twitter possibly turning down around half a billion dollars from Facebook (though granted, mostly stock). Can you imagine what that would be like if Facebook bought Twitter? I can't say for sure that it would be a bad thing. If FB allowed Twitter to use the API's etc. Maybe FB could buy FF. http://tinyurl.com/5r5zxg
- Andrew Baron
I recently discovered FriendFeed, and like it a lot. I use it in conjunction with Facebook, but I can't imagine FB replacing the need for FF. If anything, I think that FF will grow as more people get on board.
- Joseph Grabowski
Don't worry. Us diehards are here for life :)
- Charlie Anzman
FF allows you to comment and interact with ppl outside your network, which is cool.
- Sahil Parikh
no, it's just you. Friendfeed rules
- David Jacobs
No way. Facebook does have the Import capability to an extent, but the people who understand the coolness of what you post are on FriendFeed.
- Shevonne
Facebook replacing FriendFeed? Wha? Nah
- Kol Tregaskes
My Facebook, FrendFeed and Twitter networks are all somewhat different.
- Mike Reynolds
I informed my friends and deleted my fb account when I noticed how it should be.
- Thomas Bøhm
The only problem I have with the Thanksgiving meal is that it nearly always looks mostly brown. We need more colour!
- Sally Church
Sally, add green peas or salad and blue Jello!
- Rochelle
I blame that on the lighting in my room, as the cranberry sauce didn't show up particularly well ;-) That, and the fresh veggie appetizer (stuffed celery) didn't make it past Thursday.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
When did FlickrFan get a FriendFeed account? Cool photos on this account. I wish it would batch them up six at a time, though. Would make it more likely that I'd click "Like" and share these with my followers.
- Robert Scoble
For those who don't know, FlickrFan is a software service that Dave wrote that subscribes to great photography from many of the world's photo agencies. This one came from Agence France-Presse, which is France's "Associated Press." Good stuff and photography that you can't easily find elsewhere (high res stuff too).
- Robert Scoble
FlickrFan is cool! I've subscribed it!
- Jansen Lu
Scoble, I just created the account a couple of days ago. This is a special feed for breaking stories. Today the obvious story is India and the pictures have been fantastic. At times there may not be a breaking story so there won't be updates to the feed. It's all experimental, I'm starting with FF because it does a reasonable (but not perfect) job with feeds. I don't know where it leads, that's why it's fun. :-)
- Dave Winer
I already love this a LOT more than the FlickrFan on my HDTV. I think it's because I can quickly scan images and see some metadata around the image. I also can see how other people reacted to it, or add my own thoughts that an image conjures. That said, this makes me want to turn on FlickrFan on my large screen again and see these images in all of their high resolution glory.
- Robert Scoble
I also think it's funny that FlickrFan is subscribed to me. Hmmm, what is FlickrFan learning by doing that? :-)
- Robert Scoble
I know what you mean by batching them up 6 at a time, but I don't think that's something I can do. I think they have special code in there for Flickr. Not sure.
- Dave Winer
FlickrFan subscribed to you to get you to notice it. :-)
- Dave Winer
Dave: that's not how FriendFeed works. The reason I saw it is you clicked "Like" on the photo. That put it in my view. Followers don't have any effect on my view. That's why I say it's far more important to pick who you are following (because smart people will put smart things in your view) than it is to have lots of followers. Plus, if you keep saying smart things and putting smart things in other people's view, you'll get more followers anyway cause we'll talk about you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Now what would be cool is if FlickrFan was watching the cool photography I was adding to my feed and would add some of that to FlickrFan itself. For instance, let's say I or Thomas Hawk put up a photo and it got 10 likes here. Wouldn't that be cool to add to FlickrFan? I thought that's why you were following people who put up photos on a regular basis.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, those things sound doable. I'll add it to the mix of stuff to think about for the next few days.
- Dave Winer
Rainn Wilson is originally from the Seattle area! :D
- Rochelle
OMG Shey Dwight's Wikipedia entry is exhaustive. That is interesting... most "living persons" aren't deemed worthy of an entry, but this fictional character gets a short novel. :)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I don't even like regular shopping. screw that nonsense
- B. Hatin
@Orphan Spinster Librarian. I am so with you there. Shopping is one of those necessary evils in my book. The less of it the better.
- Ian May
I hate shopping with a passion -- even if it's for a new TV or computer or [insert fun tech object here]
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Ugh, I can't imagine I couldn't live without rather than go through that.
- Ginger Kenney
@Shey.I'll research and review online, and if it's something I really need to see 'in the flesh' I'll go to a local store that I know stocks it, and go straight and look at it. If they can give me a cheaper price than online, it's a sale. Otherwise I go back home and order it from the web. Most stuff doesn't need to be looked at though, I'm thinking of say, monitors, hi-fi, and cameras where you need to see/hear it first.
- Ian May
@possible I'm glad I didn't come down like I was planning earlier this year
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I used to be able to do grocery shopping online, and that actually saved money. How? Well you could see the total mounting up at the bottom of the screen as you added items. It was a great incentive to 'put stuff back'. You could build your list as you remembered stuff, and then place the order when you were ready. It was worth the small charge for the time you saved going to/from the supermarket. It worked well for us.
- Ian May
@Ian Grocery Gateway is the only real option we have to buy groceries online, but they are real expensive. The only good thing is that you save the time getting it delivered to you. There is some real value in that
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Ian, that's why I love the grocery store I use here. I scan (and bag) my groceries as I go through the store. There's a running total on the scanner so you always know where you stand on the budget.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
This was in the UK. The price was the same as the regular in store price, and there was a £5 charge for the service. Considering the time to do it yourself in the store, including travelling there and back, and the gas (which is about $9 a gallon there), it was £5 well spent, but you really needed to get a decent sized list built up first. They offered a two-hour delivery window between about 8am and 10pm.
- Ian May