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A practical scalable distributed B-tree - http://www.hpl.hp.com/techrep...
Jimminy, CoG of FF, alfred westerveld, Nagender Parimi and 72 other people liked this
"Moreover, our algorithm is conceptually simple: we use transactions to manipulate B-tree nodes so that clients need not use complicated concurrency and locking protocols used in prior work. To execute these transactions quickly, we rely on three techniques: (1) We use optimistic concurrency control, so that B-tree nodes are not locked during transaction execution, only during commit. This well-known technique works well because B-trees have little contention on update. (2) We replicate inner nodes at clients. These replicas are lazy, and hence lightweight, and they are very helpful to re- duce client-server communication while traversing the B-tree. (3) We replicate version numbers of inner nodes across servers, so that clients can validate their transactions efficiently, without creating bottlenecks at the root node and other upper levels in the tree."
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, I think many of us are going to trust your opinion on this white paper. All Greek to me.
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
All I understand is that it is in my best interests to cheer for the way you access B-tree nodes in order to continue to enjoy friendfeed reliably. Go friendfeed algorithm go!
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
What, no comparison to BigTable?
- ⓞnor
@nor It's really not the same thing, unless somehow you're using a distributed B-tree on hash collision, however, if you're getting that many collisions, then the hash algorithm is probably wrong or your key width is too small. Then again, I really don't know what I'm talking about.
- Eric Florenzano
Curious as to what problem Paul is looking at... My default data toolkit these days would probably include sqlite for in-memory data, sharded bdb's for btrees that are too big for memory, and hbase/hypertable for a distributed store. I wonder where this fits in...
- DeWitt Clinton
Ok this is a really *nerdy* post! :*)
- Susan Beebe
DeWitt, I just thought that it looked like an interesting paper. As for the several solutions you mention, I don't know that any of them have distributed transactions (maybe bdb, but that doesn't really work).
- Paul Buchheit
B-Trees and Prof. Bayer http://wwwbayer.informatik.tu-... - would be interesting to know what he'd say, unfortunately he's retired a few years ago. Used to be fairly approachable in all matters B-Tree.
- Mustafa K. Isik
@DeWitt - no room for a traditional SQL based database except as an in memory database?
- Nick Lothian
we had designed and implemented distributed tree control, but transactions were considered "too much" for near-real-time, and they were already in protocol... the rest you know as xGSN boxes in GPRS/3G/HSDPA - dynamic routing for mobile packet networks. I'd left team in 2003...
- A. T.
@paul - I'll readily admit to being out of my depth, but it depends on what the definition of "distribution transaction" is. With bdb a combination of local transactions and guaranteed consistent replication you can approximate a distributed transaction at the cost of speed. See http://www.oracle.com/technol... and http://www.oracle.com/technol.... But those won't work across bdb shards.
- DeWitt Clinton
@paul - A table-based distributed store can do this via a lock on entity groups, where entity groups are defined by relationship formed by instances of similar models that belong to the same parent-based ancestry chain. This is how App Engine transactions work -- see http://code.google.com/appengi... and http://code.google.com/appengi.... Ping ryan for some background there. Not sure if hbase or hypertable support this via their api.
- DeWitt Clinton
@nlothian - I dunno. Offline maybe?
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt: have you ever successfully used BDB with millions of newly written entries and transaction support turned on? We kept getting transaction logs with millions of entries that were never consumed, so restarts would take hours as it replayed the logs. Configuring BDB to work for large databases is insanely esoteric to say the least, and it may be impossible to get it to work acceptably in some cases.
- Bret Taylor
@bret -- no, definitely not with large databases. We used bdb's heavily at my last company, though. Aggressive sharding is the key if you want to support either transactions or replication, which matches intuition about how it is implemented.
- DeWitt Clinton
But your comment about millions of entries makes me wonder about which data is getting written to which place. I suspect a lot of problems like this end up with the bulk of the data being written transactionless + replicated to a table-based store (or a transactionless bdb), and only a small subset of the data gets transaction support. So multiple datastores. But you guys know this better than I do, so why am I rambling? : )
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, you can also look into all the trouble that Gaia had with bdb - I simply wouldn't trust any fancy bdb functionality.
- Paul Buchheit
Also, AppEngine transactions are limited to a single "entity group", which I assume means a single BigTable tablet. Essentially, they solved distributed transactions by not having them -- all transactions must be local to a single tablet. From the docs: "Every entity belongs to an entity group, a set of one or more entities that can be manipulated in a single transaction. Entity group relationships tell App Engine to store several entities in the same part of the distributed network."
- Paul Buchheit
@paul - yup, that's the trade-off. Entity groups ensure locality, locality makes transactions fast(er). Same old lever problem -- speed of consistency vs. scope of the transactions.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt, there's nothing wrong with having local transactions -- I'm just pointing out that they aren't distributed transactions.
- Paul Buchheit
Point taken. I got way off-topic regarding your original post anyway.
- DeWitt Clinton
The design seems reasonable. The only part that is under-specified is the way they switch from a master node to a slave. I'm curious why they don't use transactions to maintain replicas but instead rely on some unspecified master/slave replication scheme.
- Private Sanjeev
Sky over Boulder, CO (why geeks like it here): - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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We are up shooting b-roll video of Boulder, Colorado for a series of videos we are doing for building43. It is one of those places that is just beautiful. I can understand why so many tech companies startup here
- Robert Scoble
I lived in Boulder for a couple of years (did a startup there). LOVED IT!!
- Michael Liss
There's an old saying, "Red sky at night sailors delight; red sky in morn sailors be warn."
- Andrew Pass
I'm sitting next to Leena from TechCrunch. I use FriendFeed and Twitter so I can be faster than @TechCrunch
Thomas Power, Louis Gray, Özgür D. Cyric and 5 other people liked this
Did u tell her about the first Echo page to go live? :)
- Chris Saad
What does TechCrunch use?
- Colin
Isn't sitting next to a TC staffer even faster than FF or Twitter?
- Trent Hamm
Where is Techcrunch account on Friendfeed anyway? I can't find it for some reason.
- Orli Yakuel
What are you talking about, I know they had one. Robert?
- Orli Yakuel
Chris: yes! And that time spent on site went up 10x too!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Heard an interesting discussion about TechChrunch on a TwiT recording, regarding them and the Twitter Files. Leo and Kevin didn't approve :) It was interesting getting a perspective from people who know Arrington
- Eran Even-Kesef
that's an awesome stat!
- Chris Saad
that last link was bad for me Robert
- Durham Region
Robert can you find out if they are going to make this available for us UK developers? they have a track record of rolling out features to the US first so would be good to know. Thx
- Darren Stuart
Yeah Andy, I see it now: http://img174.yfrog.com/i...
- Orli Yakuel
oops wrong thread
- Mark
They say it will be available to developers globally.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Orli, you might want to read this thread: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- Micah
Paul Graham nailed why I hate meetings, even though I have a career that needs them: http://paulgraham.com/makerss...
Sean Oliver, Murray Barton, Jonathan Callahan and 8 other people liked this
He noticed that there's a difference between how managers and makers view meetings. Very astute.
- Robert Scoble
That is the reason why I guard with my effort the 4-5 hrs I get when everyone is asleep and i'm coding. But lately that's been impossbile because I work with now people on San Fran time and people on EU time.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Isn't he so good at that? :)
- wiredgnome
If I had a dollar for every meeting I sat through only to receive a cell phone call or text form an exec that changed his mind... I'd have exactly the same amount of money :)
- Jason Nunnelley
Most meetings are useless. This is just another reason.
- Michael Liss
I created groups for news and discussions about Y-Combinator and X-Google startups, subscribe here: http://friendfeed.com/yc-star... http://friendfeed.com/xoogle-...
Lizunlong, Peter Renshaw, Ivan Zuzak and 34 other people liked this
I actually created these groups a while back and then forgot to tell anyone else, so I'm missing some of the more recent startups. Post links to any missing blogs and I'll add them.
- Paul Buchheit
So far, it appears that more people are interested in the Google startups than the YC startups (even though I posted it on news.yc http://news.ycombinator.com/item...).
- Paul Buchheit
http://singularityhub.com/ - very cool website! ....YES. maybe we are the first immortal generation .. all this organs regrow, aging process slowed and then stopped, and reversed ... but yes, do we, original biological people, stand the future prospect of losing the control to the autonomous artificial intelligence? if so, when .. some say 30 years / Kurzweil ....../?
- pb:
You can add http://etherpad.com/ep/blog/ to both XG and YC. (Will comments on feed entries get reflected in both groups, or are the feed entries copied-on-import to each group separately?)
- Aaron Iba
Added, Aaron. Unfortunately each group will have its own copy. We hope to fix that eventually...
- Paul Buchheit
We feel left out! http://ticketstumbler.com/new-stu... -- thanks Paul!
- Tom Davis
Added. Thanks Tom.
- Paul Buchheit
I think it 'd be great to have YC discussions on FF's good UI than HN threads' ugly UI. Some how, altho' I know it is wrong, I am always under this impression "Those high reputation YCers get a special UI" LOL
- Lakshman Prasad
subscribed
- (jeff)isageek
Doug Lenat - I was positively impressed with Wolfram Alpha | Semantic Universe - http://www.semanticuniverse.com/blogs-i...
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"In an important sense, Alpha is a logical extension of Mathematica: it extends the range of types of information for which significant power can be gained by manually, and exhaustively, enumerating a large set of cases: airplane designs, cities, currencies, etc. I.e., Alpha extends what Mathematica has done previously for things like chemical compounds, geometric surfaces, topological configurations, arithmetic series, trigonometric ratios, and equations. In the new cases, as Mathematica did in those abstract math cases, Alpha excels at not just retrieving the stored data but performing various appropriate numeric calculations on the data, and displaying the results in beautiful graphs and easily comprehended tables for the user."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
This is the second positive write up about Wolfram Alpha. http://bit.ly/10Yppl
- Michael Fidler
Does it count as "positive" if Doug Lenat is writing it? I'm sort of doubtful that "[the] resulting mosaic covers a large portion of the space of queries that the average person might genuinely want to ask, in the course of their day".
- ⓞnor
ⓞnor, you lost me there, and I sense I'm missing juicy academic gossip. Spill, plz.
- Andrew C (✓)
Doug Lenat is the author of Cyc, and arguably something of a crank. Cyc is this digitized compendium of "common sense" rules which has been in development and just short of a breakthrough for decades now. It's something of a laughing stock in the CS/AI community.
- ⓞnor
@nor, oh come now. All they need to do is add some more microtheories and theories of microtheories, and meta-theories of microtheories, and it'll be asking customer service questions on the web!
- Ray Cromwell
I liked what Wolfram had to say about CYC in his Berkman demo, namely that human-like (common sense) reasoning is not always the best way to figure out the answer to a question. His goal in Alpha is to make the Mathematica engine (scientific data and algorithms) available to the masses. Users will have to use their own common sense to formulate their queries with more precision than they would if they were talking to a common sense enabled engine.
- François Dongier
@nor The national intelligence community doesn't think Dr. Lenat is a crank, as they use Cyc. http://blip.tv/file/920520/
- Jim Posner
Also, see this one: http://www.technologyreview.com/web...
- arnaldostream
I wonder: will Wolfram Alpha provide a set of semantic markup standards and conventions which will allow users to add new facts and inferencing rules to the computational knowledgebase?
- Sean McBride
Jim, that tells you more about the national intelligence community, together with the case for Iraq wars I and II and waterboarding and bombing the Chinese embassy and not catching known terrorists taking flight but not landing lessons than it does about Cyc. What is remarkable is that the project has been kept alive for so many years. It's supposed to start reading books on its own anytime.
- Antonio Piccolboni
It was the national intelligence community that developed the internet and continues to embrace high risk/low reward technologies in order to nurture new approaches to old problems.
- Jim Posner
It seems to me that Doug Lenat and Cyc are attacking fundamental problems about human cognitive processing that need to be solved in order to push AI and natural language processing to the next level (or, one could argue, to the first elementary level). What are the basic and usually unconscious knowledge structures which undergird our understanding of everything? What is the best way to represent them?
- Sean McBride
@Sean, Wolfram said (at Berkman) that some of the Alpha ontologies will at some time be exposed in RDF, so that users will be able to push new data into the Wolfram curation pipeline. About "adding new facts and inferencing rules", note that Doug Lenat says in his blog post that the Mathematica theorem prover will be turned off in Alpha (for response time reasons). About CYC: I think it's totally orthogonal to Alpha. I like both :-)
- François Dongier
François Dongier -- thanks; most informative.
- Sean McBride
Speaking of Twitter tips, all our Twitter tips, lists & how-tos are here: http://mashable.com/categor...
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Toyota just called and told me I'll be one of the first to buy a new 2010 Prius in Northern California. I can't be @calacanis but this is almost as cool. :-)
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I'm in the first allocation (I put my $500 down a couple of months ago). I almost cancelled it after we had trouble with our Highlander and got poor service (it's been working fine since, though). Supposedly I'm getting one of the first couple of hundred that will be delivered in Northern California. More than 40,000 have been sold world wide already. They start showing up in dealers around the first of June.
- Robert Scoble
Reviews and more are here: http://news.google.com/news...
- Robert Scoble
been debating putting down the deposit on an Aptera. :)
- mjc
Comes with everything but a fusion reactor right?
- Dean Clark
Scott: they want to make sure I don't cancel it and wanted to make sure I didn't change my color choice. I think Toyota PR might have been involved, too, since they saw me having trouble with my Highlander here.
- Robert Scoble
He will be among the first because of the Highlander incident, and how he went public with it. They need to make it up to him, hoping he will spread the word what a nice company they are...like he is doing right now.
- April
Yeah I'm with Scott on that, did they phone the other couple hundred people and let them know as well?
- Wes
Wes: I don't know the other people on the list. At one dealership, though, there are more than 100 people waiting. I was at a non-Silicon Valley Dealership, though, where there wasn't a line. Geeks want this car. The Google parking lot is filled with Priuses.
- Robert Scoble
What is the difference with the previous model??
- Guillaume Foutry
Did you ask them if it includes roadside assistance?
- Ken Sheppardson
I had a Prius for several years. I loved that car. Congrats, Robert!
- Izzy Video
April: PR is definitely aware of me now, there's a bunch of Toyota PR people over on Twitter and watching here. I will definitely do an "unboxing" video of my Prius.
- Robert Scoble
My Prius will also have some radical high-tech toys, including radar-controlled cruise control. More on those toys here: http://www.themotorreport.com.au/29611...
- Robert Scoble
is the purchase conditional on the economy?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Prolific: I have the money to buy it, so no. I've been saving for more than a year. I thought I was going to get a Tesla, but that's out of my price range.
- Robert Scoble
this supposed call from Toyota, did they get your phone number off your blog? ;-) and did they need your credit card number to "confirm" your reservation? ;-)
- Karim
Karim: I gave the dealer $500 to reserve the car so they already had my credit card number and my phone number. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if the radar cruise control would interfere with cel phone reception .. still not a bad idea though
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Robert: whew! :-D
- Karim
John: I will find out for you. I think it actually works with lasers instead of real radar waves, so shouldn't interfere at all.
- Robert Scoble
I think the real discussion should involve bumper sticker(s)!
- Mike Lewis
Mike: I LOVE stickers! I want to get a custom license plate, too. I'm thinking of getting one that says "RACKER."
- Robert Scoble
John, Robert, it looks like Toyota has both radar & laser-based systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...). the press release on the 2010 Prius (http://jalopnik.com/5221417...) says it's a "Dynamic Radar Cruise Control system that uses advanced millimeter wave radar." fortunately millimeter-wave radars operate above cellular...
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- Karim
also, i wouldn't sit on the hood if i wanted to have children. ;-)
- Karim
hmmm. just reading now about W band microwaves being used as nonlethal pain rays. clearly the radar system in the 2010 Prius is begging to be hacked. "GET OUT OF MY LANE!!!" [turns on radar]
- Karim
very cool - congrats! pics or didn't happen!! {expecting to see lots of new baby Prius pics ok!}
- Susan Beebe
Susan: I won't get my car until first week of June.
- Robert Scoble
your plate should say "like" that would get people going! HA!
- Ryan Gerritsen
Ryan: oh, that would be funny!
- Robert Scoble
Chris: I drop Patrick off right next door every two weeks.
- Robert Scoble
uh oh do I sense a dealership turf war?
- Ryan Gerritsen
+1 Ryan
- Bruce Lewis
Chris: I was just getting you going, best of luck with your purchase
- Ryan Gerritsen
Chris: the problem now is going to be getting one. They said the first allocation will have a few hundred for all northern california dealers. I know some dealers who've already sold 100 new Prius's.
- Robert Scoble
@scottmonty is gonna be bummed with you :-) Shoulda considered the Ford Fusion Hybrid.
- Joe Minock
Joe: The Fusion http://www.fordvehicles.com/2010fus... gets 41 MPG in city. The Toyota gets 51. I wanted a high mileage car.
- Robert Scoble
Awesome...You will love it...I am constantly overwhelmingly smug driving around in my 2009 Prius ;-)
- Jamie Ginsberg
Robert: Its time for a PriusMeme feed i think ! hehehe
- Ryan Gerritsen
OmniGraffle Wireframe Stencils | Konigi - http://konigi.com/tools...
Jed White, Lars Trieloff and Gavin Costello liked this
If you do UX work and use OmniGraffle, these stencils are a must! Based on Michael Angeles' original version.
- Stephen Collins
FriendFeed Jabber/Gtalk IM bot - http://blog.imified.com/index...
حُسین آفلاینـ, mjc, Craig Deakin and 409 other people liked this
I think this is the origin of story!! March 26 was when I added the bot to my gTalk..!!
- Jigar Mehta
I like having each service as an individual contact. Much easier. Can we see the same for Pownce?
- Chris Nixon
Well, IMified has taken bot to a next level.. I even created a customized option to check my google calendar appointments for today (a quick schedule for today) by interacting with bot! Not sure, if they have one for Pownce..
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
One year later. Just bumping this because it's the one year anniversary of the only item on FriendFeed to get more than 400 likes. (452 at the moment)
- Ken Sheppardson
450.
- Volkan Yılmaz
Hi i am charles Camil ,i want to know you
- charles
SocialMedia reports that some Facebook Developers are making over $700,000 a month. Awesome! http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Bill Romanos, Kreg Steppe, Daniel Brusilovsky and 6 other people liked this
Bubble...
- .LAG liked that
Pop!
- Susan Beebe
Hey Dave Morin did you write mysocialmedia 24x7
- Justin
Hard to believe that all of their money is coming from advertising.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
Good Luck Scobleizer! - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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The Real sofarsoShawn, Nick Mutton, Jesper Kjær Hansen and 110 other people liked this
I met Robert at last year's IFA in Berlin for a short walk around the show floor. He's great guy and I wish him and his new venture all the best. And I agree that he should get back together with Rocky. I don't think they are done with their work yet...
- Holger Eilhard
Robert has a long history of personal resiliency, so I am thinking that this is just a minor setback. I too want to wish him well.
- Brian Sullivan
M, forwarding ..
- Daniele Beta
Brian, I don't think of this as a setback for him at all. I think of this as a new and better opportunity for him. Like a lot of magazines Fast Company I'm sure was hit hard in this recent downturn. Robert needs certain things to thrive best. Rocky was a first rate editor. Robert's time is best spent doing what he does which is out and about interviewing people and having someone like Rocky to edit his stuff was important. Robert will do better someplace that is growing rather than cutting back.
- Thomas Hawk
Robert you might want to tuck that away for your eulogy. Quite a tribute.
- Todd Hoff
Todd: Thomas is one of the best people I know, it's a real honor to have him as a friend.
- Robert Scoble
We all know Scoble will be a-ok in the days, weeks and years to come. I'm sure we're going to hear news about this awesome new service that pays by the kilobyte of awesome video you post, meaning Scoble will become very, very wealthy...
- Mike Nayyar
Great post Thomas - I'm also looking forward to his next venture ...
- Patrick Jordan
A very good article that helps us remember how much he contributes to our community.
- Jonathon
Mike: actually that's a very interesting idea! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Very nice post on Scoble. I've never met either of you, but from your descriptions I can tell that you both are exactly how you come across online. And that is most definitely not a bad thing :-)
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
We have to wait until SXSW? You're killing me! Whatever he does you know it's going to be good.
- Bruce Lewis
Good luck Scoble. We met at a Social Media Club event in Phoenix a few years back and I have been following you ever since. Looking forward to your new adventures.
- John Seiferth
Amen! You've got lots of helpers if you ever need them!
- Scott Loftesness
What a wonderful article, and the pictures at Flickr were enjoyable as well. I wish the two of you would do a photowalk in San Diego so I could meet both of you in person!
- Laura Zickus
Best of luck to you! May your next chapter be profitable to you in every possible way!
- vicster
Great post Thomas!
- Kenton
That was a great summary of Scoble. I'm sure his next adventure will be something to watch.
- Jeremy Brooks
The sentiment here about Robert (and folks like TH too) are right on - the level of transparency, integrity and work ethic we see sets the bar high for leaders in a community (a network of micro communities, as it might be put better). Think about Paul Harvey. An endearing, tireless pioneer who reached his community with the media/technology of his day for 70+ years. Scobleizer's journey, I believe, has just begun.
- Micah
more time to spend with the Sean McBrides of the world. lucky "fast company" to be rid of a man and his destructive politics.
- NoahDavidSimon
Really, really nice piece Thomas
- Charlie Anzman
Fabulous post Thomas!! WOW!!!!!!! Lovely, moving and very well documented. Robert is an amazingly passionate, intelligent, smart and uber-technical guy that really has an astounding work ethic that never fails to deliver value in everything he does!! - you captured that very well with this blog post. :) Personally, I -like you- think he should link up with Friendfeed. that would be a PERFECT fit and a complete win-win relationship; however, I'd be concerned that FF might be too small for him.
- Susan Beebe
I have now been writing for RWW for 1 year and 1 month! it's been so much fun!
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And I have enjoyed reading you!
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
The economic downturn is a good thing for social media, it's going to force innovation, revenues, and productivity benefits --the other tools will fall by the wayside. Agree or disagree?
rawwell, Duncan Riley, Devlin Dunsmore and 13 other people liked this
It'll be a nightmare. Everyone will spread shitty content as many already do just to make some cash. Catchy headlines, with numbers in them and pages with screenshots and pictures about things the author generally don't master, just to make money. The real, the useful content from smart people (not only marketers) will be harder to find
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@directeur: The information filtering problem was going to hit us regardless of the economic climate. If we come up with better ways to reshape our personal news streams I'll be happy.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
NoiseRiver, think beyond the content play alone, what about technology startups? Not just media side
- Jeremiah Owyang
I think it will help drive innovation as well as an increased focus on efficient processes, like you said.
- Brian Chappell
Every crisis always leads to more innovation. In a crisis risks are valued differently, creating more opportunities. I do absolutely agree with your statement
- Aad 't Hart
economic downturns always makes people more creative. What I managed to do with Roman Noodles back in the day was nothing short of miraculous.
- chartreuse
I wrote this morning about this exact idea, it is time to adapt and innovate. I definitely think that many tools will "fall by the wayside".
- Rob Diana
Funny Jeremiah just called me NoiseRiver ;) Seriously, I DO agree that the "need" is a "creativity's" generator. I'm just affraid that a great need will have some dirty <side>effects. And yes, I do care about content more than the tools. Tools when used for/by/with bad content will seem useless and vain.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
I am just waiting for the one take all social media portal. Similar to friendfeed but more intuitive.
- Brad Wrage
oh snap, i meant directeur sorry
- Jeremiah Owyang
I think the opportunity is definitely there - unfortunately i think that alot of businesses paradoxically shy away from trying something new during times like these out of a fear that they will waste dwindling resources so it could take stronger more forceful convincing
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Agree, focus on profits need to return. Good time to really make trackable insights fly, good time to be in analytics, brand monitoring social media spaces. Could put an squeeze on crazy crowdsourcing models because now more than ever effort needs to equate with returns.
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
It will be good for social media because it will force convergence of the multiple tools that exist and overlap. Then the model will truly emerge
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
One good thing about a downturn is that it roots out bad ideas, and companies. One bad thing is that investment money will likely just go on 'sure things' and not on 'out there', radical ideas. One other good thing: big companies let smart people go, and these smart people may then start up their own businesses.
- john conroy
I hope so, there's a lot of crap out there... bad UIs, marginal use cases, no path to profit conrtribution, etc. What I really want to know is, what site is running the best Dead Pool?
- Tinfoil 2.0
A lot of out-of-work people will be spending a LOT of time on Youtube, methinks.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Finally! Google to Offer RSS Feeds for Web Search Results - ReadWriteWeb - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
comix aka martha, Arnaud Fischer, Rick Bucich and 5 other people liked this
"Search Engine Land has confirmed with Google a rumor that's been floating around the web lately, that the company will "soon" offer RSS feeds for new results in basic basic web search. Why is this big news? Because there's no better way to keep track of new mentions of a company, person or concept online than through RSS."
- Dave Winer
from Bookmarklet
[Engadget]: American Airlines rolling out in-flight WiFi to 15 more jets - http://x.techwheat.com/11X
Jed White, Brad Warren and Dave Winer liked this
"American Airlines ran a "dress rehearsal" of its AirCell-powered in-fight WiFi service last month, and it looks like it was a success -- the airline is set to expand the trial to some 15 jets over the coming weeks, with tests expected to last six months."
- tech.newsjunk.com
Now that Replies are back, we get to find out if our fling with FF is the real thing, or just a summer love.
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The conversational-centric-ness is making Friendfeed a pretty noisy place. I'm still trying to get use to the noise. On Twitter, it's like streams of silent messages; pretty much 'In space, no one can hear you scream'. On Friendfeed, it's like being in a bar on a Saturday night!
- Yung-Hui Lim
I'll continue to use both - FF is quite nice for other reasons, and when Twitter goes down, it's still up.
- Dossy Shiobara
Twitter is the Cliff Notes of Friendfeed. Quick and easy & you get the gist.
- Stephen Terlizzi
For me, it's like friends with benefits and evaporates when my true love returns.
- Francine Hardaway
FF is like digg with a twist. And you know who the people commenting on your posts. Well. most of the time. Would be nice to get a mobile widget of FF like Tinytwitter. Maybe there's one that I don't know about.
- Carolyn Chan
Twitter is like a topping on FriendFeed's pizza. Everybody loves pizza. Not everybody agrees on toppings.
- Louis Gray
FF is the Killer! It centralizes discussions and lets things bubble up to the surface! Everything is Transparent!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Twitter is my Best Friend... Friend Feed is my Book Club... there's more 'deep conversation' over here - but I don't always want every conversation to either be non-existent or terribly deep. Sometimes I just want to twitter like a little bird.
- Lucretia Pruitt
they're becoming complementary tools for me
- .LAG liked that
I like FF - I love Twitter - FF needs to be organized differently, I think - it doesn't have the right logical setup for me
- Renee Hendricks
I'm a newbie on FF. I have twhirl configured to show FF side by side with Twitter. I like the conversational aspect of FF, the ticker-tape-like stream of thought of Twitter.
- Mark Dixon
from twhirl
I dont care anymore
- Alan Wilensky
from Alert Thingy
Dave looks like Loren still has a Love affair with you! What did you do to the guy?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Actually, who cares. Everything is a summer love. Some summers happen to be longer than others. So, excuse me but there's really nothing intellectual to discuss here as in which is better. Don't like it, don't use it. Simple.
- Carolyn Chan
I use Twitter and Google Reader to find interesting articles to send to FriendFeed.
- Elizabeth Muskrat
I just posted something to Twtiter, first time in over a day. Still on FF though :-)
- Duncan Riley
I like FF! Once you get a set of people around you who do not try to inflate their Egos and show how great they are, it is really a cool place! We just share ideas! Dave am I on topic? LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Are you working with a White Label Social Network? The 'traditional' CMS vendors are starting to move in http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
Ken Sheppardson, Arne-Per, Jed White and Sebastian Küpers liked this
I created one with ning and I am also active in two ning networks. In Germany also mixxt.de is popular as platform for Barcamps
- Sebastian Küpers
I don't think CMS vendors can do nothing. The lines between corporate generated editorial content and community generated content are blurring. It's about more than just wrapping social widgets in a webpage. Community generated content needs to be another core content type in the CMS, with full access to all of the typical CMS functions for managing persuasive site experiences.
- Tom Wentworth
Should Friendfeed incorporate threaded messages? This way you can see who is replying to who, and see how the converesation splinters.
Beth Kanter, Christian Anderson, Ontario Emperor and 14 other people liked this
Yes - and timestamped comments too.
- Steve Rubel
Threads and timestamps, yes. FriendFeed comments really strike me as an afterthought: something tacked on to a very nice feed aggregator. Now if FriendFeed and Disqus could get together we'd have a situation where 1+1 = something much, much greater than 2.
- Ken Sheppardson
No passion one way or the other. Threaded comments might be nice but I don't mind the way it is.
- Michael Hocter
Seems logical but deep threads might stain the interface. Timestamps are a great idea, but should be "click-to-reveal" instead of visible by default. My take: When presenting text, less = more.
- Dan Kaplan
I find threaded comments get to be a mess to follow the conversation, what we have here works well. I agree that some sort of time stamp saying when the last comment was made would be nice...and maybe notifications when comments are added to posts you like or have commented on.
- John Duff
Don't have a fav on this one, stickin' with KISS for now ;-)
- cbgreenwood
If they do threaded, it should only go one level deeper. KISS is a great philosophy to live by.
- Ben Parr
I don't like comments being displayed as threaded, but how about replies to individual comments? You still have the "flat" display of comments, but you can see which comments are replies to others.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Agreed with Ben. Maybe one level.
- Phil Glockner
I would love threaded comments personally.
- Jake (aka Jawee)
i think its just fine the way it is - not looking for /.
- mike "glemak" dunn
Where do you stop? Maybe one level...
- Allen Fuller
Like the less is more and KISS philosophy. Have the detail, but keep it below the surface.
- Paul M. Banas
Timestamps for sure.
- Jason Runyan
No, only timestamp (at least in the TITLE attribute)
- Claudio Cicali
lots of folks end up using the @ to address the person in the conversation so it works. i agree with cbgreenwood on this one.
- Atul Arora
Sure why not. I have tons of available whitespace to the right on my screen.
- Mark Krynsky
Maybe default looking like this, but then a button that slides it right into a threaded mode.
- Rich
FriendFeed is becoming the Wikipedia of social networking. - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
Irene Katz, Jed White and Marilyn Clark liked this
If you want me to subscribe to you please respond to this comment.
Justin Yost, Larry Heim, Chris Foley and 12 other people liked this
seriously, just respond to this message and I'll follow you... looking for all my peeps on FF!
- Jason Calacanis
ok lets check how fast he takes to respond !
- Peter Dawson
Jason: That's a good idea. FF isn't really very interesting until there's a bunch of content in your stream.
- Eric Florenzano
It would be great. :)
- Daniel Schildt
sure, thnx
- maxim shevertalov
from twhirl
But hey, you are already following me! Just checked. :D
- Daniel Schildt
I believe you're already subscribed to me, but now you can be double-secret-subscribed...
- Rob Clark
ok
- John Deisher
Thanks
- Tom Landini
I love Mahalo! :)
- AJ Batac :)
ok that was quick response ..like approx 75sec :)-
- Peter Dawson
*poof*
- Scott A. Swiecki
Subscribe me up Jason. I am in LA and in post production. You guys at Mahalo looking for staff.
- Ryan Cates
Thanks....Mahalo!
- Chris Rossini
count me in
- Kieran
You da man Jason, PS love Mahalo!
- Greg Goodwin
Thanks, Jason....
- Hugh MacLeod
I'm not sure if you're following me on Twitter, FriendFeed, etc. but I'm ahynes1 on all of them.
- Aldon Hynes
Yes sir, whatever you say sir! @astrout
- Aaron Strout
I'm in
- Mike Doeff
Yo!
- Pascal Sijen
Jason! Still loving your Dash?
- Chris Kuhner
a oh - oh a
- Anthony Farrior
I'm wondering if the "calacanis effect" will move a critical mass of people from Twitter to FriendFeed
- Daniel Robitaille
Hi. You know me, I'm PurpleCar!
- Christine Cavalier
Present.
- Mykl Roventine
subscribe away.
- Mel Francis
Hey jason - can follow me as graubart
- Barry Graubart
Great seeing you at PDF. Look forward to hanging this summer in Cali. Cheers.
- Stephanie Agresta
Blammo, or perhaps Skidoosh!
- Dan Parsons
I'm in
- AdamoLanna1(chiuso)
The Twitter train is leaving the station.
- Warner Crocker
And this is why I don't like FriendFeed. Have to rebuild your list? what the fuck.
- Austin Brown
ok just a few thousand more to go!
- Deva Hazarika
Yep... follow me :)
- Fabrice Epelboin
Isn't there a better way to do this?
- Toivo Lainevool
Moving on over....
- Mark Nassal
You should call up the people at friend feed and have them move your twitter list over for you. I mean, don't they know who you are?
- MrBobDobolina
I'm here too now but where is the iPhone client
- Zack
Hola! fatoracle on twitter :)
- The Fat Oracle
I could you some more Mahalo in my life :)
- Chris Suspect
I have only been using FriendFeed for a day but im liking it already.
- pcnerd37
Fascinating.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jason follow me as 7thScreen Rod Pitman
- Rod Pitman
yo
- Rachel Luxemburg
Yo Yo Yo
- Eric_T
mahalo
- Eric Doerr
well, when you ask so nice :-)
- Alexander Kucera
Ok, trying FF as well. Still like twitter and will be sad if I have to leave it
- Lide Winburn
Like Napoleon's army after the defeat in Moscow, straggling west, fleeing the hideous frozen hell, we are moving into the (for me, at least) unknown...
- Dave LaFontaine
Hey there Jason, hows i going?
- Daniel Spisak
from twhirl
hey man, I'm a big fan, would be honored by a follow ;-)
- Scott Breakall
So I'm Commenting...
- Jeff Rochlin
http://internetducttape.com/2008... this is the app subscribing on FF to the people you follow on twitter
- Christian Anderson
Sounds fair to me but at some point there has to be an easier way.
- Philip Ferris
Yo
- Edward
Sure, why not.
- wrecks
Follow me pleae
- Cody Heitschmidt
following
- MK Gold
Mahalo is awesome!
- Mark Salinas
Hello from Canada!
- Robb M.
+1 Ed Nicholson
- Ed Nicholson
OK. Mahalo!
- phil baumann
Sounds like fun!
- Eddie King
Sounds good to me!
- Oracio
I'm in
- William, CPU Media
me too
- Juan Camilo Galeano Mejia
transporting from twitter
- Nina Walia
Twitter yesterday, Friendfeed for today, what's up for tomorrow?
- Angela Wickenberg
Interesting approach...
- Tim FitzGerald
hola! senor! :+}
- Aronado
interesting way to go about it - but here you go.
- Zee.
For sure. By the way, thanks for the towel!
- E.J. Alcantara
Hi Jason!
- Mike McCallister
Why not.....
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
I thought I could hang w/ Twitter being so flakey but it's really a bugger. Maybe FF is the deal after all.
- Hunter Hillegas
peeps - either a web2 startup or a reality game show
- Phil Wolff
keeping up with the web 2.0 wave
- Mike G
Lets talk.
- Grant Bell
If FriendFeed is the new Twitter, what is the new FriendFeed?
- Adam Hansen
not sure if I am ready to abandon twitter, but I will give friendfeed a shot. Count me in
- Joe Schmidt
Please...follow me.
- Owen O'Malley
If it helps you stay ahead of Dvorak. . .
- Dean Barnett
Yet another comment from a Twitter follower
- Tom
I'm in
- Mark Krynsky
meee toooo!!!!!!!!!11
- Olubi Ezra
me three!
- Handy Lukman
Hello!
- Courtney White
Make it so
- Bill Koslosky, MD
This is destined to be one of the busiest posts for days to come!
- Joel Ordesky
Bam!
- Jim Dye
Happy Saturday.
- David Young
oh sorry...I commented on the wrong post
- Nathan Manley
Yeah :)
- Delete Me
Much obliged Sir.
- Pedro Fonseca
Sure, I'd love for you to follow me. Thanks!
- ComicList
yup, ok.
- Bryan Landers
thx. Guess twitter effed up one too many times, eh?
- Zach
You don't have to if you don't want to, but hi.
- Erin
Rebuilding the Jason Nation on FF. Fascinating.
- Slobokan
Would welcome it
- Dave Kurns
Game on!
- Little Guy
Thanks Jason, tweet on!
- JoLynn Braley
you follow me on twitter. so you can follow me here if ya want, too. I'm trying to do the same.
- Lise
Me too! Thanks Jason ;)
- Darren Lee
there should be an easier way to do this
- Jon Pederson
love following the J-Dawg!
- Brad Williams
Follow ME!
- Austin Hamilton
Follow please :)
- Jeff Gordon
Sir yes sir!
- Matt Samuels
from twhirl
Welcome to FriendFeed Jason
- Jeff Hoard
Anyone for Tea?
- FunkydoryStokie
It seems to me this is kind of a moot point. You draw those who follow you into your convesation and if someone makes a comment that continually intriques you all you have to do is simply subscribe to their ff. No need to wage a big dick contest with numbers of followers here. Its all about the conversation. Just an observation at this point.. I'm just now starting the migration from twitter to FF myself;-)
- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
Great to meet you at PdF2008
- David Price
Yo, Jason
- Brad Barrish
This page is gonna get long if all 20K+ comment :)
- MissM
Yes, please
- Jim Milles
I think spammers have infiltrated Twitter and will not let me block them completely.
- Derek
I'm all for moving as many over to FF as I can, so yeah, follow me if you'd like.
- Lee Adkins
wow is this a complete switch from Twitter?
- Jarrad McInnes
Wow! Now you know what you'll be doing the rest of the weekend....
- Kevin Shannon
Okie, Dokie, subscribe away :)
- Michael Lehman
is Fondue on friendfeed yet?
- Benton
glad to hear it.
- berkay
Aloha and mahalo... MsInformation from twitter here.
- Donna Mugavero
howdy
- Nicholas
Hello.
- Jason
hey
- Adrian Bye
Sure, why not?
- Andrew Feinberg
I am in for it.
- Michael Tefft
Follow me
- Faust Gertz
w00p w00p :)
- Toby Weston
Okey-doke
- Peggy Gartin
Indeed twee on!
- Justin Yost
ok, me too :-)
- marc uhlig
Follow the yellow brick road!
- Linda Wishman
I'm moving my stuff to FriendFeed as well. Let's see how this is.
- Kyle Johnson
Over here! Over here!
- Ian Schafer
Raises hand! Here!
- Melissa
here I am
- Borriz
Hey Jason - follow me up.
- Gareth Jenkins
Excellent job with Veronica Belmont's replacement and all the Mahalo episodes leading up to it. Mahalo Daily. FTW! :)
- Mustafa K. Isik
Yes sir, can I have another?
- Greg Schwartz
So many comments! This would have broken twitter...
- Stephen Breen
Jason - love to get you as a subscriber.
- Hutch Carpenter
Yup.
- Karl Sackett
sure, I'm in.
- todd lucier
Just starting with ff - I'm off now to find Leo . . .
- Michael
I'd appreciate it.
- Patrick Moore
Interested to see what you think of Ramsay's food, mostly hear about the man..
- Paul
Holla from New Orleans! Moving from Twitter as well. Whatever happened to Jaiku?
- Gregory Schultz
Sign me up!
- Chris Johnson
Follow me. Mahalo Power!!!!!!!!
- Grant
Sounds good!
- Jeremy Tymes
adding myself to the list.
- Kevin Cearns
Count me in, but I like Twitter better, even though its broken...
- Trae Ruge
OK
- Larry Heim
Sure, why knot?
- ThePicMan
Can ALWAYS use more FriendFeed folowers! Still like SocialThing and Twitter best though!
- Jeff Garlick
What's the worst that could happen? Sign me up :)
- Joel Rickenbach
I enjoy following your tweets and would love for you to follow mine as well
- ken bavier
so when you gonna be on twit again?
- Prk60091
Aren't all Mahalo members worth following? :)
- Jack&Cleo
Raising hand tentatively
- Dan Sleezer
Follow me please! Have fun at dinner tonight!
- Benjamin "Zeus" Heide
Response Generated. I think i'm going to follow your lead on abstaining from Twitter/pownce so I can get into FriendFeed properly.
- Tom Cheredar
Ke aloha nô me ka mahalo kâua!
- Todd Libby
Interesting idea, count me in!
- Daniel Rowley
Follow me! Follow me! Ooo! Ooo! Ooo!
- Mitch Wagner
Hi there !
- sergiooo
Follow!
- Mr. Wiggly
Follow please!
- Micah Maziar
I'm there!
- Herb Myers
in!
- Morgan
As amazing as it is, you already follow me. But feel free to unsubscribe, it will not remove what is interesting in YOUR feeds ;-)
- Myriam
ok
- Jeff Quinton
Mahalo's "Guide Note" and "Fast Facts" are reason enough do the research here
- Rick
cool
- Cezar Harabulă
follow me
- Kevin Doohan
I'm caught up in the technology...another "me too"
- Bryan Waters
oh...okay
- Carolyn
add me when you get a minute
- Daniel Ehrlich
si
- Sean Malone
hey
- Emad
sure! add the feed from a Brazilian perspective...
- José Murilo Junior
Boo ...
- Cathy Brooks
beep
- Oldengrey (Jay)
I will attempt the same but without the response I"m sure
- Stuart Froman
sounds good
- Arvind Raman
Friendfeeding from Japan...
- Brian
sure add me, love the week try your doing
- David
You should be following me anyway since I'm all up in your site manipulatin' yur dataz..
- Tim Moore
this way
- Michael Chin
Easy enough.
- Doug Smith
done
- Eric Haber
In the house - mutual followship requested. :)
- ijalob.
Here I am
- Martin Gordon
good idea
- Graham English
Well, here we go !
- Atul Karmarkar
As we say in the South, come on in y'all!
- Allen Fuller
yep
- Sagar Jethani
ping!
- Ricardo Vidal
What's up Jason
- Matt
Please what ever you do don't follow me...i'm way too popular to have another tech industry millionaire following me.
- Sean Montgomery
Better late than never. Now I am on FF only have to work out how it works... Thanks for the tip
- Paul Greeve
Are you going to rebuild the entire nearly 30k ish over here? That would be insane.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Im In
- Comptr
Follow please :)
- Peter Dawson
Hi Jason, thanks in advance for the follow.
- Larry Kless
Yes please - it is a challenge how to parallelize your twitter connections on FriendFeed. They really need a good import interface with automatic notifications via DM back to twitter followers.
- Jed White
Yo, follow me please! Thanks.
- Todd Jordan
Do I get a large coke with that follow?
- Elias Bizannes
why not... you might like it :)
- Allison
me too
- Ashish Tonse
ping
- Steve Trefethen
Am I too late?
- Winston Teo
interesting posts, would like to hear more of your podcasts
- Brian Staker
and me ...
- Diana
Hey Jason; I'm in! Got so fed up with Twitter not working, thought I'd follow your lead and go FF all the way.
- Martin Betts
from twhirl
ok
- ahmet bulent
hmm... i think you subscribed to me already when i first started this account months ago.,
- excalipoor
giving it a shot
- eric Norlin
I'm up for it.
- Ivan
I'm in
- Peter Ghosh
I'm in.
- Tim Kress-Spatz
check it.
- Michael Leis
Word!
- Will Boyd
pimp me, pimp you
- Andrew Spencer
click me. i'm a whore
- Nan San
Hi Jason, ok so does Foundue have a FF account yet? l like his Flickr pics!! ha, ha!! (BTW, I am @smbeebe on twitter)
- Susan Beebe
Hi Jason, it will be nice not to have the Twitter out of service page, Gotcha in San Diego
- Debra Oliver
m'kay.
- AJ Kohn
Lets all make one big happy family :)
- David W
That...is a lot of comments. But I'd like to join this ragtag crew.
- Ben Parr
Dude this is the longest chain of answers I've seen in FF. But I'm in :)
- Alex Popescu
Okie, here I am commenting... follow me, or something!
- Vermyndax
Connecting.
- William Meloney
You asked for it, Calacanis!
- Mike Lewis
Some day we'll all have biological implants for social networking. And, this will be all so 2008!
- Walter McNabb
Reciprocate :-)
- David Peacock
Add me in
- David Daniels
CalacanisNation on the move...
- Pete Arden
Good luck, converting the entire list is difficult, So add me!
- Jason Kintzler
At least this seems to work :-) ... please follow
- pool101
Please add me to the list
- Tom Carroll
just signed up for FF myself!
- Mark Fusco
FriendFeed is about to take over
- Miguel Carrasco
Great stuff Jason, fan of your work. It would be great to have a Twitter/FriendFeed contact sync application. I'm sure you know some peeps to make that happen. =D
- Grahm Skee
Just discovered friendfeed. Pretty cool stuff.
- George Gray
Thanks, Jason.
- Joe Colacurcio
Just joined FF. I'm headed to Brentwood next week, any tips on restaurants?
- Brian Blankenship
Hey Jason
- Akshay Dodeja
Actually, you know what? I rescind. Please don't follow me.
- Phil Glockner
hello
- isky
Sure, count me in. I quite rule!
- Akiva
Sure Jason... shoot me a line, I'll be your friend
- Dave Senior
Enjoying Friendfeed. Come join the party!
- Mindy Koch
Checking in...
- Chris Hileman
Count me in too! Thanks!
- Michael Gianasi
For sure Jason :)
- mark.kemperman
add me.......
- Jeff Crace
post
- russ nelson
add me in
- Don Rogers
I just created my Friend Feed account.
- Durwin
finally registered for friendfeed. it's awesome ~
- Wilson
hi jason...friend me up! or friendfeed me up!
- Laura
My hat there are a lot of comments here.
- Paul Jacobson
Hi Jason, add me in!
- Hilary Marsh
How much longer before other gaming strategies are invented to increase the value of your friendfeed persona?
- Shakeel Mahate
Who *wouldnt* want to have JC following them? :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Please do.
- Robin Barooah
hope you are still fallowing this Jason
- Gaspare
I'm on board
- Mark Alves
one of the greatest things i ever did was make people think i didnt exist
- Randy
Add me... Thanks... (Why are you doing this? I mean, really...)
- Carlos Caridad Montero
This is actually quite interesting. I wish I had thought of this.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
hm.
- Amund Tveit
Hey follow me. I rule.
- Shawn Farner
add me toooooo
- tarraguna
I would like a follow. Thanks
- Sweyn Venderbush
Yes, please.
- Morton Fox
whatever you say boss :)
- Myke
i think the efficiency is lost in this method
- Andrew Wise
freedfeed is - how they say - the bomb
- Jeremy
I have you on mine, following me may or may not be boring :D
- Renee Hendricks
following you on twitter and now on friendfeed
- Robert Wheeler
Apple flipped Rogers Canada the proverbial middle finger. Hooray!
- Steven Elliott
Thanks Jason, Go Mahalo!!!
- Bobby Edwards
Social Network of the week? Why not?
- Jay Savage
boop!
- Sam Purtill
I'm in.
- jered reynolds
Liking FF the more I play with it.
- Todd
alrightee
- James Joyner
Yooo hoooo.. ;-) Thanks Mr. Calacanis!
- Da-Chief
Yes.
- Russ Johnson
Count me in and you might like my webcomics
- Joe Chiappetta
From Twitter to FF, here we go!
- Catherine Juon
Ok I'll bite!
- Sean Kelly
Hey Jason! Listen to me! :)
- Simon Plashkes
I'll simply cite Rob Clark, who so eloquently put it: "I believe you're already subscribed to me, but now you can be double-secret-subscribed..." ;-)
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
Hi there. ;).
- Ernesto
subscribe to me!
- Wesley Barrow
Hey Jason how the Super Car going bud....
- John Spencer
Sure! Join!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
OK, I am responding
- Matt M Perez
Wow Matt, way to dig up an old post :)
- Simon Wicks
Ok, here is a comment!
- Alan Alper
What’s Your Blogging Style? Use FriendFeed Likes/Comments Ratio to Find Out [Hutch Carpenter - 6/26/08] - http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008...
Atul Arora, Sean McBride, Sarah Perez and 21 other people liked this
"I selected several blogs, and totaled the number of Likes and the number of Comments for the last 30 posts of each blog. I then calculated the ratio of Likes to Comments, and mapped the bloggers to roughly one of four blogging styles: (1) Stir it up (2) Can we talk? (3) Observing the scene (4) Stuff you want to know"
- Mitchell Tsai
===== FriendFeed Likes/Comments Ratios (# Likes / # Comments = blogging style) =====
- Mitchell Tsai
(1) Stir it up - 0.9 Dave Winer, 1.2 Cyndy, 1.2 Robert Scoble, 1.5 Alexander van Elsas, 1.8 Duncan Riley
- Mitchell Tsai
(2) Can we talk? - 1.9 Colin Walker, 1.9 Mark Dykeman, 2.2. Frederic, 2.2 J. Phil
- Mitchell Tsai
(3) Observing the scene - 2.2 Hutch Carpenter, 2.2 Louis Gray, 2.4 Corvida
- Mitchell Tsai
(4) Stuff you want to know - 2.6 Steven Hodson, 2.6 Fred Wilson, 2.6 Sarah Pere
- Mitchell Tsai
NOTE: Alexander van Elsas could put on a clinic in terms of engaging commenters on FriendFeed. I should be so good. So I gave the number of Comments a haircut for several bloggers: Alexander van Elsas - 33%, Myself - 25%, Mark Dykeman - 25%, J. Phil - 25%, Colin Walker - 25%
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting stuff Mitchell. I was so hoping to be stiring it up ;) Must try harder, hehehe
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
@Colin It was interesting to see where I fell on the scale (2.1). Also, I so wish FriendFeed would import a picture from each blog post (and that you could select which picture). It'd be nice to have the discussion on the original blog post by Hutch. Discussions fragment so easily anyways (although the best-of feature helps point people to the more active fragments).
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, if you use the bookmarklet to post stuff you can select whichever image you like from the page you are adding.
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
@Colin It's the blog feed into FriendFeed that I want pictures to feed into... I debated not adding my blogs & putting each entry in by bookmarklet, but that messes up the "service=blog" searches when you click on the left-hand-column icons. Also puts items into the "service=internal" category for best-of-searches. Oh well.
- Mitchell Tsai
Wow Mitchell, that is one cool analysis :-) Glad to see I stir things up every once in a while. And as it turns out, I got myself a haircut already this morning ;-) But engaging in the discussion is important to me. It helps me understand things better. I tend to write up my thoughts in such a way that I hope people will be triggered to respond and either agree or disagree. It helps me shape my thoughts again. Cool!
- Alexander van Elsas
Ah, I see. Well, suggest it as a feature request.
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
Alexander, I quite agree - the discussion is the important bit. It's all well and good posting but we shouldn't just leave it there. The subsequent conversation is often more important than the original post. Hutch has done some good work here.
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
P.S. Colin & Alexander: This is a link to Hutch Carpenter's article (which just summarizes his thoughts and analysis). Please click on the picture to read his post. I wasn't sure if this analysis was being attributed to me... Hutch comes up with some great ideas, but his blog post was attracting zilch discussion (0 comments) on FriendFeed and I liked his ideas, so I zapped a picture & made this FriendFeed post.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, yeah I saw it was from Hutch. Having to use fftogo here at work though (FF blocked)
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
oh this ratio is similar to the one that STowe B had done for blogs'. Total Blog Post : Comments on Blog.He called that data point a conversational index.
- Peter Dawson
Friendfeed, oh friendfeed - PLEASE fix the Page 11 bug so that stuff like this can be done extensively....
- Yuvi
Odd that I was the first comment ON THE BLOG. ;) Scary to see myself between Dave Winer and Scoble. Must try harder to be less controversial?
- Cyndy
2.5
- Igor Poltavskiy
Hutch great post!
- Alexander van Elsas
Thanks Mitchell for posting this! Nice to see the comments here. One thing i say in the blog post is that I only capture the Likes/Comments for the author's original feed. Misses discussions like this, but I think it still does a good job mapping bloggers.
- Hutch Carpenter
Yuvi - this would be cool for people to put together. The can't get past page 11 issue still in effect though.
- Hutch Carpenter
Didn't know Stowe Boyd had something similar...consider this the FriendFeed version of that.
- Hutch Carpenter
Colin - you can still stir 'em up when you want. ;-)
- Hutch Carpenter
Cyndy - it's the contrarian POV that we love.
- Hutch Carpenter
Thanks Alexander - and your haircut was the biggest because you are good at having a response comment to nearly all those who comment on your blog posts. Not an easy to do.
- Hutch Carpenter
LOL Hutch. You should have known me in high school then. I've actually mellowed. ;)
- Cyndy
@Hutch - I didn't quite understand that reply ("this would be cool for people to put together")
- Yuvi
@Yuvi - bad typing! It would be cool if one could put together a script for this. Need my coffee!
- Hutch Carpenter
Hutch, thx, I tend to like the reacting to comments even better than writing the post. Although some comments.... sometimes make me wanna jump out of a window. ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
I looked at my internal FF posts. Can we talk. best time to post is noon to early evening EST to catch the West coast. Subjects: Humor, Tech, Music, Sports, Economy - so surprises there.
- Russellreno
Props to Hutch and Mitchell.
- Russellreno
Thanks Russell. You should write up your own findings re: FF posts.
- Hutch Carpenter
Hutch: Done. I don't blog so I did it here. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Russellreno
Thanks Russell.
- Mitchell Tsai
Dear Twitter: It's Over. And It's for The Best | Chris Baskind dot com - http://chrisbaskind.com/2008...
DJ Swole, Sharon McPherson, SciFi Ranter Girl and 11 other people liked this
"I know you’ve heard I’ve been seen with FriendFeed. It’s true. We started seeing each other about the same time I thought you were no longer there for me, and things took their natural course. That being said, FriendFeed can never be you. And I wouldn’t want it to be."
- Russellreno
from Bookmarklet
I actually really liked this.
- Melissa
"Its Not You; Its Me."
- Parth Awasthi
'I know it's over and still I go, I don't know what else I can do, Over, Over, Over, Over...' Name the singer/song, and I pay you US$12,000,000
- john conroy
On Yahoo’s Shaky Future: Well Said - http://feeds.allthingsd.com/~r...
Jed White and Robert Scoble liked this
Why Kyte.tv will kill Qik and Flixwagon in cell phone video space - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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The first to NAIL the iPhone / YouTube experience will win, Robert.
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
I agree with Chris a bit on this one. If I were to share a video with 50 or so friends and family, how many would watch it live? I'm pretty sure that number's zero. I think the main features in the winner will revolve around sharing video with specific groups of people, like friends or family, or immediate family, or a subset of all of my friends. That said, I think Kyte still sounds like it is closer to that reality anyhow. Qik seems to be a one-trick pony at the moment.
- J. McConnell
are they working on an iPhone broadcast option? Getting the vids on the IPhone is cool - creating them on the iPhone - way cooler...
- Ed Dale
Ed: I assume so when the SDK and a 3G iPhone comes out. Qik and Flixwagon have it working, but only if you break into your iPhone, something that most people will never do.
- Robert Scoble
J. McConnell: you're wrong. Want to see my baby live as he's crawling around right now? If you're my dad? Yes.
- Robert Scoble
I'm with @Ed_Dale on that - creating videos ON the iPhone - uber cool
- Deborah Micek
Hey Robert, just posted on your interview with Agnich. To the benefit of me and my fans, I plan on linking to much more of your work on my site. Thanks for your obvious hard work. http://www.stagekid.com
- Blake N. Cooper
Robert, doesn't Skype/iChat/Messenger etc. have that scenario covered fairly well?
- J. McConnell
J. McConnell: no. Not even close.
- Robert Scoble
Appreciate it if you could ask Rob - that will be the difference for me on if I go qik or kyte - I think that there may be a direct relationship between hacked iPhones and broadcasters :-)
- Ed Dale
Don't get me wrong, I can imagine scenarios where a computer with a webcam isn't available and live streaming on Kyte is the only way to go. But then you are dependent on your Dad being 1) available and 2) near a computer. Anyway, you definitely have a point. I still don't see this having a big effect on my life, but I may be naive. I think it's time I gave Kyte a shot before going out on anymore limbs :)
- J. McConnell
J. McConnell: Qik and Kyte turn the live streaming thing into a recording as soon as it's done. You need to try these services to see how powerful they are. My videos even go to YouTube automatically (and get posted to FF automatically). Also, Kyte lets you use webcam or cell phone. So it wins there.
- Robert Scoble
Qik requires the phone to have a connection to a cell service. I bought a pay-as-you-go SIM from T Mobile just to receive the SMS acceptance message and download link/code from qik. The authentication should have been a one-off thing, but qik requires some sort of data plan with a provider in order to stream, EVEN IF you are using wifi. I have Verizon's EvDO and a Cradlepoint PHS-300 wifi hotspot, but I still can't qik because my SIM card credit keeps expiring. Is Kyte the same way?
- Christine Cavalier
I think both require a permanent phone number. Kyte is easy to try, though.
- Robert Scoble
I have to say that as a user, I MUCH prefer Qik to Kyte. Kyte takes forever to load and seems very intrusive, while Qik seems lightweight and loads quickly.
- Eric Florenzano
Qik doesn't need a phone number after the initial activation, methinks. Christine, doesn't the PHS-300 rule? I think the problem is your phone rejects the expired SIM, not Qik. @Eric - that's the point. for an on-the-fly video, Qik will remain king until the number of steps required decreases. Plus, I still can't get Kyte to stream live from my phone. Am I just dense?
- Andrew Feinberg
Robert, Bambuser doesn't require a phone number, and the Kyte pages say I can scan in a QR code or visit mobile.kyte.tv http://www.kyte.tv/mobile.... I've talked to the Qik quys personally about this (they really are great guys, you're right about that) and they don't seem to know why solely wifi isn't sufficient for streaming. Mogulus also doesn't require the phone number. I'll try Kyte; judging by the page above, I'm pretty sure wifi alone will be enough.
- Christine Cavalier
Andrew, yes, I love the PHS-300. And yes, qik DOES require an active SIM or phone number for each and every stream. Believe me. I've been working with the qik guys on this for months. I had to run and get my SIM card filled up during podcamp NYC. It was a mess. BTW: If you are thinking about a pay as you go SIM don't go TMobile. I don't use the phone at all for mobile and yet the credits expire within days. It's a rip off.
- Christine Cavalier
interesting...I just read you're article. From what I've reviewed basically, is that Kyte is more produced/interview content, where as Qik/FlixWagon are more random streams...I will say that Qik/Flixwagon have far better browsing options from the web. I don't want to page through 4 stream at at a time...I want to see a bunch of thumbnails and choose from that....btw if you sign up for the T-mobile blackberry service + unlimited international data and put that into a nokia it still works.
- clarke thomas
very interesting reading robert. thanks for figuring out how i'm going to cover the DNC. now i just need a free n95!
- @baratunde
Baratunde: It's that sort of thing that will finally push one of these live video services into the mainstream. Someone is going to see a political event or catch a police officer being a jerk or see someone committing a big crime... and all of the media outlets are going to direct their huge streams of viewers to the sites. This technology has too much potential in that regard.
- Andrew
@baratunde - I bit the bullet and bought one. It's worth the cash and has replaced my BlackBerry as my main phone.
- Andrew Feinberg
Bob: Qik has already demonstrated just that.
- Robert Scoble
I have a Tilt as well. I really do want to try these out so that I can make some informed comments, but I guess I'll have to wait a bit :(
- J. McConnell
from fftogo
@andrew b. indeed. check out this video on google of police arrest and abuse. 2min20sec in will show a journalist getting straight ABUSED by law enforcement. i met the man who published this video. his take. "I LOVE cameras. I want cameras everywhere in the hood." http://is.gd/xDY
- @baratunde
@andrew f. good for you! i have an unlocked iphone on t-mo. love it lots. not looking to shift all phone uses over to n95 but think it has some good applications for video alone. i'm also short a small camera since my SD700 died.
- @baratunde
@andrew b. one more thing. this will go mainstream and SUPER annoying when value-destroying parasites like TMZ get their hands on the tech. it will be full of star stalkers. we have a major social adjustment ahead of us in terms of redefining the news space
- @baratunde
UPDATE: I just did my first Kyte with the N95 and an obviously defunct SIM card. It used only the wifi here at home. I used the N95 to scan the QR code on the Kyte site and boom! I had a link to get the application downloaded to the N95. Perrrrfect. Lots of amazing features, too. Thanks Robert, for the clue! now to move my commenters/viewers over to Kyte with me!
- Christine Cavalier
@baratunde it has also replaced my camera for most functions too...@christine did it stream live or did it have to upload first?
- Andrew Feinberg
@andrew f. oooh goody. i was wondering about the photo quality so did a flickr search by camera type (LOVE the web!). check this http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- @baratunde
@baratunde It uploaded. I figured I chose the wrong setting? There are a ton of settings with Kyte, a tiny bit more of a learning curve than with Qik. BTW, I noticed that Qik has a private setting now, so one can send a private stream. I'm @purplecar on twitter, FYI. @Scobleizer et alia: Happy Father's Day!
- Christine Cavalier
Scoble says Kyte.tv will kill Qik and Flixwagon in cell phone video space. He's wrong. http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2008...
- Steve Garfield
from twhirl
I think they offer two similar but different services, Qik seems better for live stuff and has more merit for news, magazine style use, it's better for companies or organizations than families and ordinary consumers, which is where Kyte seems more comfortable. Maybe Qik needs to start fighting on a different battlefield, Kyte seems bette rpositioned to win the mass market...with their endorsements. http://technoboogie.squarespace.com
- Shawn Roos
Sliderocket Empowers a New Kind of Presentation - http://www.fastcompany.tv/video...
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I love Sliderocket. It's very different than PowerPoint and shows yet another way that work is changing thanks to the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Love Sliderocket!
- Noah Carter
I want to check these guys out.
- Hutch Carpenter
terra210: yeah, sorry, sometimes I get pulled into the World Wide Highschool. :-) I do track who is cool, based on their products and services. Male vs. Female geeks are tough. I try to fight that, but truth is most people I come in contact with are guys, so sometimes I fall into that trap. Thanks for the kind wishes!
- Robert Scoble
Awesome, AWESOME interview Robert. SlideRocket was the missing link to my online office suite software mix. Thanks for posting this piece.
- Frederick Johnson
Definitely looks worthy of consideration for integrating into site-good point.
- Mark Forman
Great demo. Tumbled! http://flipside.scribkin.com/post...
- Phil Glockner
check out Zoho Show 2.0. Prrrrrretty.
- john conroy
Nice interview. Robert - you get them talking, then get out of the way (as it should be). Easier said than done!
- Noah Carter
John: I'm definitely going back to Zoho. Would love to see a comparison of that to Sliderocket. Sliderocket sure has a nice interface. Going to be tough for Zoho to beat that.
- Robert Scoble
Although.. the twistage player needs a parameter to stop autoplay. Annoying.
- Phil Glockner
J. Phil: I'll work on that. Agree.
- Robert Scoble
Jake: If Adobe were smart they'd buy this ASAP.
- Robert Scoble
very nice product, i think the linking feature will definat2ely make it very valuable for business.
- Nathan Eckenrode
how do I get a beta for my company?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
from twhirl
finely, someone is showing of FLEX, But Powerpoint with sharepoint can do many of the stuff around keeping slides up to date and sharing data.... they just made it easy to access which is Microsoft biggest problem.
- Rif Kiamil
great demo!
- Burak Arikan
waiting for my invite .... have several presentations in the following weeks, would be interesting to check it in real life
- Naor Mark
Great demo, can't wait to try it out!
- Aaron Myers
This looks fantastic.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Not just an interesting product, but the way he handled the demo was very good.
- Jed White
Can Sliderocket import existing PPT files? I'd love to be able to bootstrap Sliderocket with the slides from my existing library of PPT slides.
- Tom Wentworth
That's amazing!! I will definitely start using it for my Medical Group presentations and break-the-mold of our boring PP slides.
- David Cook
fastcompany.tv is down, Sliderocket looks great, going to pass that on to my friend who's an organiser of top medical conferences, she hates PPT!
- Dave Pook
@Tom: From what they discussed in the interview, I believe so.
- CannonGod
@Tom: Yes it can import PPT, but no export yet. So you need a working internet connection for your presentation or their offline player (adobe air).
- Benedikt Koehler
Twitter blames its users - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
Brian Bufalo, Jed White, Stanton Champion and 32 other people liked this
I think you played it cool. Cool post and you didn't pull an Arrington. In other words, you did a good job toning down the ego and seeing it's a community issue rather than a Scoble issue :-) Even if that IS what Twitter meant.
- Andrew Dobrow
"pull an arrington" - love that!
- marty nickel
from twhirl
"I’ve sent 3,598 tweets (Twitter messages) — Scoble has sent 12,318. This is clearly putting a strain on the service." That's the equivilent of over THREE heavy users then. Scoble is clearly abusing Twitter's stable system.
- Chris Nixon
I'm wondering will Google also say sometimes that You got our servers down because you send 2000 emails everyday.. where our system is built to hold load of just 30 emails everyday!!
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
Alex: I'll calm down when Twitter stops blaming its users and fixes its service. Thanks.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed is just built better. It has to do the same thing as Twitter, send out messages/information (longer than 140 chars I might add) from one users to 12,000+ followers, etc. FriendFeed isn't having issues. Yes, FF isn't as big as Twitter yet, but I have the feeling the Ex-Google engineers here at FF know what the hell they're doing more.
- Ben Parr
Robert, this time you couldn't be more wrong. Read the post carefully once again . Twitter is simply explaining how things can go wrong from time to time - certainly not blaming you.
- Ron Emrick
We just have to face the fact, Twitter has hit the limit of scalability now.. They need an intelligent consultant to help them resolve their issues! Anybody, help!!
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
Ron, here's what Alex Payne said: "The events that hit our system the hardest are generally when “popular” users - that is, users with large numbers of followers and people they’re following - perform a number of actions in rapid succession." THAT IS BLAMING. And, since I'm the only one who has 20,000+ followers and behaves like that, they are being very specific in their blame.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter just leveled down... bad form Twitter, bad form.
- Bwana ☠
They're not blaming you. They are blaming themselves for being unable to cope with you and other superusers.
- Jamie
@Ron The point is that the system was designed incorrectly. Either you build it to scale for someone to have 20,000 mutual contacts or you limit the number of contacts. Or you limit the eleventy billion "graph a pretty picture of your Tweets" apps that have access to your API. It is NEVER the fault of any action done by your users unless they are running a DDOS against you, and at that point, they cease being users anyway. And OMG, did I just write a rant defending Robert Scoble? I do believe I did.
- Cyndy
That's about as plain as you get. They're saying they can lighten the load by limiting power users in a nutshell. Sigh.
- Bwana ☠
Jamie: well, then they can come here and say that and apologize for causing my name to be at the top of TechMeme right now.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'll end by saying its unfortunate you see it as BLAMING when I really believe its EXPLAINING! :-) I think you may be taking this a little too personally. Twitter is finally doing a good job acknowledging the problems they have and communicating them to us all as much as they possibly can. I'm sure they never intended for this sort of discussion to occur when they published their post. All in good fun Robert...
- Ron Emrick
and they just got $15 mil in funding?
- MikeAmundsen
@jowyang showed us the 'real' Twitter problem - it's the few birds that are flying the wrong way ;)
- Kate
Ron: when your name is used in headlines at http://www.techmeme.com, then you can not take it personally. This stuff IS personal. It's called social software for a reason. :-)
- Robert Scoble
To me, instead of playing the blame game I would think that twitter would take advantage of its power users learn their patterns and build out to scale.
- Kevin Tunis
@Cyndy - Agreed 100% that the problems lie at the feet of Twitter and not Scoble or any other high profile Tweeters out there. I just believe that the context and intent of the post was *never* to blame but rather to explain. I can understand why some may see it as "blame" but I simply disagree... hope that helps explain my position a little better.
- Ron Emrick
Ron: explaining? OK. It's still down. They made it sound like the biggest load is noisy popular users (there's only really one of those in the world) doing rapid tweets. Only I behave that way. So, why is the system still down? I stopped Tweeting, yet IM is still down, track is still down, and the site itself is slow. Does this go to their credibility? Let's say they are right. Why penalize everyone then? WHy not just throttle the popular accounts? Wouldn't that fix the problem? No? Why bring it up then?
- Robert Scoble
Robert - shouldn't your ire then be directed at VentureBeat? They're one of the first (if not the first) to identify you as someone to "blame".
- Ron Emrick
Lets not forget hat they went down on the day of the Tweet Out as well
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Ron, Scoble is widely known as the top Twitter user. We didn't need VentureBeat's help to figure out who Twitter was talking about.
- Bwana ☠
"WHy not just throttle the popular accounts? Wouldn't that fix the problem? No? Why bring it up then?" Maybe because they aren't blaming the users, and think that people like you SHOULD be able to use the service in the way that you do.
- Ian Betteridge
Ron, that isn't an explanation. An explanation is "Gee, we didn't realize that our architecture wouldn't be able to handle the load when we have several users with over 5000 mutual contacts, and we need to figure out how to fix that or set limits on the number of contacts. This is why marketing folks wisely keep the programmers away from the public in most instances.
- Cyndy
Gah. FF doesn't allow enough characters. I'm just going to hop on the bitchmeme train and blog it.
- Cyndy
Clint: >>Why would Robert infer that he is being blamed? << There is only one person who has more than 20,000 followers that behaves in a noisy, bursty way. No one else behaves that way. There is only one possible person they could have been talking about. Me.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, again, your 'beef' here should be with Venturebeat who, if you are going to take the line that it "is personal", were the ones who mention you by name - and let's face it, by naming you they are guaranteed to get some traffic. Twitter have not named you personally, and have not, in fact, blamed anyone but themselves for their problems.
- Scott O'Raw
i'm going to have to agree that this smacks of blaming users. maybe that wasn't intentional. i hope it wasn't. when you use phrasing that implies, however mildly or unintentionally, that your own users are involved in DoS (even if it's not implied as a malicious attack), that's blaming. if i'm patching a hole and don't have enough drywall, i don't tell my customer the hole she knocked in the wall is too big; i tell her i didn't bring enough drywall, and then i go buy more.
- hisherness
i realize twitter isn't a paid service, and i realize some allowances must be made for that, but with the venture funding and all i assume they'll eventually turn a profit. one must start as one means to go on, and this just isn't the way to start.
- hisherness
@Robert Actually, Calacanis is pretty noisy. I can't follow him anymore either, but I still know the dog names. ;)
- Cyndy
Robert, we know you've been singing the Friendfeed song for the past few weeks, so it's not the Scoblizer who broke Twitter. Most of the readers of my blog subscribe via a thing called RSS, but too many bloggers Tweet a link to a new blog and then reTweet it an hour later. So I guess most people are not using Feed Readers or Friendfeeders.
- paul mooney
I think what Alex really meant is "It's because 'popular' user dragged our 'bad design' service down."
- Panu Tangchalermkul
I agree with Scott. This was mentioned as a transaction processing issue, not a Robert Scoble issue. Not a user issue. Alex was asked what the problem was and gave an honest answer: throughput is challenged under certain conditions - and they're working on it! Thanks to VB, everyone's on the warpath. For what?
- Eric Weaver
Are people really looking this hard for something to make drama about? Sheesh. Is this what happens on a "slow news day" in tech pundit land?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I see in the Venture Beat article that Twitter said "Not running scripts which follow thousands of users at a time would be a help" - ermmm. I'm sure I read that Twitter actually enabled/created this FOR Scoble, to 'follow back' all his followers in one go?
- kosso
Everything is made with certain assumptions in mind. Ikea probably makes chairs assuming they will inhabited by one person at a time, and that the person weighs less than 500 pounds. If reports of broken chairs surface and Ikea says most of the broken chairs are owned by people who weigh over 500 pounds, you can either read that as "blaming" fat people, or as an admission that they didn't design the chair to fit the 0.02% of the population weighing over 500 pounds.
- Karim
If you write an app with a field that's designed to hold 15 characters, and someone enters 16 characters in the field and the app crashes, is that the user's fault? You can either read that as "blaming" the user, or as an admission that the app wasn't designed to hold more than 15 characters in that field.
- Karim
Twitter said, "Not running scripts to follow thousands of users at a time would be a help, but that’s behavior we have to limit on our side." i.e. we didn't realize people would use the service this way, but we need to fix this service to prevent this behavor, NOT ASK THE USER TO CHANGE.
- Karim
Contrast this to what Facebook did to you when you, as a user, exhibited "unexpected behavior" and used Plaxo to download your contacts. Instead of limiting the service on their side so you *couldn't* eat up excessive resources with Plaxo, they banned your account. They expected YOU to change. They blamed YOU.
- Karim
Twitter is losing me.. I am starting to get hooked on this FriendFeed thing now.
- Winston Teo
i am finding twitter as redundant tooo ... since i just follow and dont send too many updates ....ff is better
- Raza
from Alert Thingy
Is there any why to sign up for a Jaiku account? The whole twitter thing is getting bad.
- Brian Bufalo
I am using Jaiku. Done. Finished with Twitter. This is beyond the pale.
- Andrew Ruess
Hey, Scoble - stop breaking Technorati! They're down :-(
- Lars G. Sehested
http://xrl.us/bmazc tweets totally f#(%ed twitter
- NoahDavidSimon
git vs bzr vs hg: Distributed Version Control Systems: A Not-So-Quick Guide Through - http://www.reddit.com/goto...
Lyndon Washington, Jed White and Jick Nan liked this
I haven't looked at hg but I adore bzr; use it for all of my personal projects. Git seemed overly complicated for my simplistic needs.
- Benjamin Golub
Smart Start-Ups: How Entrepreneurs and Corporations Can Profit by Starting Online Communities - http://www.amazon.com/dp...
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Kate Mag, Oliver Ding, Howard O'Berry and 7 other people liked this
Boring book, you can have my copy.
- Ben Roodman
I am also reading this book.
- Oliver Ding
It's quite liberating writing comments in Friendfeed longer then 140 chars, but not too long. People seem to be keeping them short ish.
Jed White, Rishabh Mishra (p248), Ro (Lilyhill) and 2 other people liked this
The constant threat of being hidden keeps us from being verbose. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Creativity needs constraints: Sonnets, symphonies, Tweets.
- Thomas Crampton
from twhirl
if it needs more...there's always a blog post :-D
- Siddharth Mitra
from Alert Thingy
I second Mitra's comment and Scoble's lol
- Corvida
Doesn't FriendFeed have it's own comment limit? Larger than Twitter, but I have hit a limit before.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I'm not sure if there is a character limit in ff, I've seen a few longish comments. I guess there is a limit. I don't really want to test it, heh.
- jjprojects
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