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Sure, *now* everyone cares about metadata.
Marianne, Amandadon't, Catherine Pellegrino and 8 other people liked this
POSERS
- Meg V. Meg
huh? I don't.
- aarontay
Aaron, you're clearly not tuned in to the 24-hour U.S. news cycle! http://www.npr.org/templat...
- JffKrlsn
I liked this one a lot: http://www.newyorker.com/online... "'The public doesn’t understand,' she told me, speaking about so-called metadata. 'It’s much more intrusive than content.' She explained that the government can learn immense amounts of proprietary information by studying 'who you call, and who they call. If you can track that, you know exactly what is happening—you don’t need the content.'" Catalogers take heart! I think?
- Meg V. Meg
I gave a short presentation about research data management yesterday, in that part of a meeting where you've run out of time and people are leaving and other people are wanting you to wrap up, but I did see someone taking notes when I defined 'metadata', so that was something.
- Deborah Fitchett
Diehard XXVIII: Metadata.
- barbara fister
Darn, I missed XXVII.
- OMG 404 Joe
content is overrated, amirite? metadata is sufficient.
- $tephanie•Gardening
Does anyone have an ILS where, if they searched for Walter Moseley, it would search for Walter Mosley? Or at least suggest that search?
Ours (Ex Libris Aleph with the Primo discovery layer) retrieved a book that included "Walter" and "Moseley-Braun" in the TOC, and suggested "Walter Mischel." So, uh, no.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I got from our Polaris PAC The Chronicles of Narnia, which has someone named Walter Moseley in the credits. But no Walter Mosley.
- ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫
I'm unclear on the concept "authority control". Does that mean "we are authorities; you aren't. We won't give you what you're looking for so nyah nyah"?
- barbara fister
Our Encore asked "Did you mean: walter mosley?" as well as showing us the 12 hits [edit: but not all for the correct person.]
- OMG 404 Joe
Interesting. Forward failed that particular test, in part because there apparently IS a Walter Moseley.
- RepoRat
Yeah, Millenium suggests that search.
- kaijsa
Another questions: why would a library choose to not give results on format. A search in the Topeka Shawnee catalog for KW or AU mosley, limiting by format (audiobook), comes up nil. A search of his whole name comes up with all his items, regardless of format.
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Encore gave me two hits for Walter Moseley plus the linked query, did I mean Walter Mosley? (And, because it's a keyword search, Walter and Moseley were not together.) If I search for (in quotes) "Walter Moseley," it gives zero results, plus did I mean walter mosley.
- Betsy #TeamMonique
I don't understand why a library would disallow format narrowing.
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
David Lee King--where are you? ;-)
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Man, Nina McHale, you were right.
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Okay, in Topeka Shawnee, you can use their faceted searching to narrow by format, but their advanced search is broken (or intentionally set to not work that way?).
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Ours (Millennium/WebPac Pro) suggests "Walter Miserly". You can then click a "more" link and get a dropdown with other options such as Masterly, Moshe, Nosily, and Mussel, but no Mosley.
- JffKrlsn
Walter "Motley"
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Walter Mitty in 3... 2... 1...
- RepoRat
ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa
- Betsy #TeamMonique
Well, first of all, of course, I'd have to search for Moseley, Walter (hello, Author Browse!). Then I get an alphabetical list. If I kept scrolling down, I'd eventually find Mosley.
- laura x
That's work!
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Horizon, baby. I seriously do not even care what ILS we move to next--I feel like ANYTHING would be an improvement. Um. Well, almost anything.
- laura x
Oh, Horizon.
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Discovered yesterday that while our CMS severely limits the html we can include, it does allow Javascript. One day and ridiculous code later, I now have a dynamically-generated embedded doi lookup box on our databases page.
marlene, Jen, Sir Shuping is just sir and 5 other people liked this
(Yes, if the user doesn't have javascript it defaults to a plain text link to doi.org's resolver.)
- Deborah Fitchett
Also: Mwahahaha!
- Deborah Fitchett
Huh, haven't tried that; I... don't know if I could bear to use them. OTOH at the moment we use tables for layout so it's possible I've already sold my soul.
- Deborah Fitchett
Deborah is it a public page? If so url please?
- aarontay
Don't hate on iframes! They're ok, only downside is that any associated css & scripts get loaded separately, so they can slow things down a little. And then there's implications for SEO, but if it's just widgety stuff that's not a problem. They don't have accessibility issues like tables.
- JffKrlsn
Looking for live examples of sites taking advantage of linked data. E.g., Linked Jazz. http://linkedjazz.org/
lris and RudĩϐЯaЯïan liked this
UVA SNAC: http://socialarchive.iath.virginia.edu/
- Amandadon't
Some Open Knowledge Foundation projects might be useful? http://okfn.org/projects/
- Amandadon't
Thanks! That's super helpful.
- Stephen le Francoeur
bbc.co.uk. whole thing is linked data.
- kendrak
Kendra, thanks. Found two interesting items to help explain BBC's efforts. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs... and http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs...
- Stephen le Francoeur
I went to a seminar from Talis (they might have some more examples) where they talked about doing linked data for the 2002 World Cup. It was great.
- kendrak
That reminds me of the Talis podcast from years ago. I remember they interviewed a guy from BBC behind the linked data efforts there.
- Stephen le Francoeur
That interface is pretty similar to the "Crossroads" exhibit at the Grammy Museum in LA http://www.grammymuseum.org/on-disp... but I think everything in the latter is from a proprietary source...
- JffKrlsn
MontglaneChess, Galadriel C., Heather Piwowar and 7 other people liked this
That's some customer service right there.
- Andy
I've always had good luck sending problems to the sales rep rather than some help form. Those people over at EBSCO really hop to it when some shit comes to them from the sales rep.
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
Doing a lit review. Gripe 1: why do librarians not self-archive (at least) their research? Gripe 2: why does EBSCO's LISTA not link to OA content? Gripe 3: I'm doing a lit review.
Galadriel C., OMG 404 Joe, Catherine Pellegrino and 9 other people liked this
It's possible to do some degree of LISTA-to-OA-source via EBSCOadmin, though you can do more of it with EDS. EBSCO is locking up some of its advanced linking in EDS rather than bringing it to the rest of their dbs. I don't see a huge amount of coverage of this sort in LISTA, but there's some. Here's a screenshot of what ours looks like when known OA stuff comes up: https://docs.google.com/file...
- JffKrlsn
I fully endorse Gripe #3.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Dear Stockton: Loving that delta breeze. Keep it coming. Love, MC
imabonehead, Jennifer Dittrich, Anne Bouey and 5 other people liked this
Here, after last week's two days above 90 (and then weather in the '80s), it's back in the high '60s (or barely 70?), and just enough rain to skip tomorrow's lawn watering. I am definitely *not* complaining. Good to know Stockton's milder as well.
- Walt Crawford
Yesterday kicked off a break in the hot weather. I hope it lasts.
- Mary Carmen
Gonna be 90 on Saturday. Till then I'll enjoy it.
- Mary Carmen
Let's hope you get some of our weather--next predicted 90 isn't until the 15th.
- Walt Crawford
Me to EBSCO support: Did you know "Time" is marked as an "Academic Journal" in your MEDLINE? E: NLM does not distinguish between various source types, so we mark everything as academic. We regret the inconvenience. Me: You regret the inconvenience and will fix, or you regret and won't fix? E: The latter.
Angel R. Rivera, Kathy, OMG 404 Joe and 5 other people liked this
yep
- maʀtha
huh, I didn't know Medline indexed Time.
- Hedgehog
Real slick, EBSCO, real slick.
- Stephen le Francoeur
I don't think they index it consistently, but health-related articles are there. If you have EBSCOhost MEDLINE, do a search for TA "Time" and you'll see results.
- JffKrlsn
Incidentally, the way I discovered this was through a search in EBSCO Discovery Service. Hence my concern. Students who have limited to academic journals in EDS would get results from Time...
- JffKrlsn
to be fair, this is a problem with the MEDLINE/PubMed data that EBSCO receives. MEDLINE doesn't identify peer-reviewed journals. try using the publication types, e.g, clinical trial. that will help loads.
- maʀtha
Those attending the EBSCO lunch at ACRL might find an opportunity to ask this question but with a "when will you be fixing the fact that ..."? Cause a default policy that its academic if we don't know otherwise is probably like of 180 of what faculty want their students to assume....
- Lisa Hinchliffe
I'm more concerned about problems with CINAHL, since EBSCO is the exclusive vendor for CINAHL, by which I mean, put in the damned DOIs. Yes, I've been complaining about this for years. *crawls back into grumpy cave*
- maʀtha
martha, but with EDS, EBSCO could choose to show the record from Academic Search Complete rather than from MEDLINE. Yes, people searching MEDLINE specifically are likely to be able to see that the article is not research, clinical trial etc. I'm concerned about the very helpful, clear "Academic Journal" icon that appears next to the non-academic journal article in EDS.
- JffKrlsn
Basically Ebsco is saying their academic journal limiter is useless. I am seriously grumpy with vendors right now, and this tipped me over the edge!
- kaijsa
(i love love love these kinds of conversations)
- $tephanie•Gardening
Oh, I know, JffKrisn. Students run into this problem all the time, and it is a problem.
- maʀtha
oh my god
- Meg V. Meg
What? Time isn't scholarly/peer-reviewed?
- OMG 404 Joe
so how should we go about asking them to solve such a thing? would we have a collective power if we all did x?
- Marie
Keep in mind that they are probably reading this thread too :)
- ~Courtney F
Huh. Would one want EBSCO to make their own call about what is/isn't an academic journal? Would one trust EBSCO to make that call? Would it not be preferable to get the NLM to do this properly?
- David Rothman (☤)
EBSCO should be able to do something to remove academic limits from a database if it isn't useful. The EBSCO interface is designed by EBSCO to interact with a commercial database. What limits apply is an interface decision. And since MEDLINE is available through other interfaces *without* this problem, this is a real problem for EBSCO. Why should folks buy EBSCO Medline when it screws badly with the all important Discovery layer?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
David, this isn't EBSCO making the call, this is asking EBSCO to respond, via indexing, to something that is a stated truth (I would hope they would verify it and not take our word on it). EBSCO isn't deciding what's academic, they make a decision about the search results based on NLM's statement that " NLM does not distinguish between various source types, so we mark everything as academic. "
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Exactly, Rudi. Honestly, isn't indexing the REASON we subscribe to databases in the first place? I'm also furious that MLAIB doesn't have abstracts--in a citation-only database!-- and I wish dbs added that value for searchers. We have most of the full-text, so it's not a huge prob for our users, but still. It's an essential piece of the evaluation process!
- kaijsa
Oy, reply to a different support request late last night (not sure what continent that was coming from!) really has me seething, but it's probably too involved to post here... I've noticed that phone support is usually better than email, but I'm usually hesitant to devote the real-time commitment to it.
- JffKrlsn
They fixed it. Now I'm seeing that a number of academic journals are classified as "periodicals" in MEDLINE, but that bothers me less.
- JffKrlsn
Wow. Good for you.
- maʀtha
common behavior? Summon results list - clicking on the title takes you to the full text not a page with more detailed citation information... is this typical for discovery services? This is how our new article search is and I find it weird.
I think it is. More Google like, I suppose.
- Stephen le Francoeur
I think that's based on whether or not you have One-Click turned on. We don't, and I get a link resolver result page on articles with more than one access point.
- kaijsa
EDL doesn't do this (or if it does, it's turn-off-able)
- Meg V. Meg
We do have one click turned on for our Summon. We try to have it go to the most stable full-text sources, publisher first, then from a priority list of various vendors. We also have ArticleLinker set up on a top frame if the patron would like to see if the FT is available from other sources besides what was presented from the one-click.
- OMG 404 Joe
What's EDL? Summon & other discovery services I think also has direct linking is independent of your link resolver settings. In our Summon instance, in some cases the link brings you to the landing pages like http://www.sciencedirect.com/science... , that's not directly the full-text, though in some cases it does bring you direct to full-text with pdf loaded though eg Oxford journals.
- aarontay
Funny you should ask. I thought it was the new "EBSCO Discovery Layer"? Though their web stuff makes it sound like it's called EDS? But we have a trial now, and I am 99% sure that I've never heard it called EDS, because I would have made a Ross Perot joke.
- Meg V. Meg
Definitely EDS. If you click the title, it brings you to a detailed record screen (usu. with abstract though not always), and there are links to either full text or link resolver that show on the results and/or detailed record screen, depending on how you set it up. (This is the same way that other EBSCO dbs work.) There's no option to make clicking the title go directly to the source. The one exception is their "Web News" database, which as far as I know is documented nowhere although it does exist.
- JffKrlsn
Always heard it called EDS. It's quite interesting when you consider the main selling point of services like pubget is that you can do a search and download the pdf directly from the search screen without even seeing the native interface. That's one step up even from Summon with one-click 360link turned on.
- aarontay
EDS (Summon, too, I thought) presents a "Full Text" button (or other specifically named option buttons to check for linked full text or ILL) right in the search results list by default. Click the Title for the record/metadata & click the Full Text (or other buttons) for the actual content.
- awd (canoeist in th wild)
our new default is to go from citation to full-text without stopping at link resolver page. I prefer it the other way, but I think my colleagues' research supports the one-click thing - so I defer to the users.
- $tephanie•Gardening
I'm coming around to one-click. When we only have one full-text option, it goes straight to that from Summon, and it's nice. I think we're just worried about things breaking and not giving people options if there is more than one provider. We should probably stop worrying because things break all the time and we cope.
- kaijsa
scopus has a separate button to grab and download the pdfs of any selected articles in your results set. I can see why that's handy. I'm not terribly keen on the title linking as there is a full text button in the record anyway
- Christina Pikas
We hate the download button in Scopus, it's a bit confusing since it will download citation/abstract only if there is no full-text which confuses users. Plus we have this little thing about restricting downloads via ezproxy beyond a certain amt in a short time..... Plus the download manager uses java....sigh..
- aarontay
kaijsa, for 360link at least, you can do a helper window iframe, with links in the frame on what to do if the content below is broken. Disadvanatages are well it's a iframe, so some sites will not work well with it, and also for some browsers depending on cookie settings, there will be "cross-domain" issues with cookies or something particularly with ezproxy, there are ways around it..... http://laimages.s3.amazonaws.com/data...
- aarontay
By the way, if you are talking about "page with more detailed citation information." in Summon, you can see this by hovering over the title for a popup or clicking on the small magnifying icon which will popup the detailed record in Summon. It is very easily missed (think Summon 2.0 changes this?), most people just click on the result, which will then go to the link resolver, which is...
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- aarontay
we have the same frame thingie that @aarontay mentions. except the peoples don't see it. still, good idea; I point it out in classes. dunno if this link will work: http://vb3lk7eb4t.search.seria...
- $tephanie•Gardening
Here is ours http://bb2sz3ek3z.search.seria... , think need lots of work on design/wordings.. One of the links leads to a online form for reporting broken links
- aarontay
HBR and EBSCO shenanigans... "As of August 2013, some changes will be made to Harvard Business Review (HBR) article access for Business Source customers. This change will not affect institutions that have already purchased the expanded rights from Harvard Business Publishing."
Full text of email: "As of August 2013, some changes will be made to Harvard Business Review (HBR) article access for Business Source customers. This change will not affect institutions that have already purchased the expanded rights from Harvard Business Publishing. Further, customers buying a site license will not be impacted. As you are likely aware, full-text licensing agreements with publishers are subject to change in all databases, and EBSCO is committed to providing our customers with as much advance notice as possible on full-text content changes as often as we possibly can. With that said, we would like to inform you that as of August 1, 2013, all databases containing HBR will experience a change for 500 of the articles. These articles will become read-only, and will be clearly marked as such. For example, in Business Source Complete, there are currently 12,824 full-text articles from HBR, and 12,324 will continue to have the existing access functionality. If libraries wish...
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- awd (canoeist in th wild)
so, are they telling us which 500 articles?
- ellbeecee
I love how they thank me for my understanding when I'm totally confused. Which 500 articles? "Read-only"? "Course rights?"
- Rebecca Hedreen
Yeah. (our internal person just forwarded this to me as well). The "fuck you, HBR" part of me is assuming those 500 are articles they're republishing somehow (like this - http://www.amazon.com/HBRs-Mu... ) and this is a DANGER WILL ROBINSON thing.
- ellbeecee
what Rebecca said. what the heck does this mean??
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
from YouFeed
(or will the 500 articles be a moving target based on what's popular at the time? Will they be the 500 most recent? This isn't telling us *anything* other than "there's changes a-comin'!") #grumpylaura
- ellbeecee
I'm thinking their 500 most popular articles.
- OMG 404 Joe
how will this work technically? no links to the direct url? couldn't you reverse engineer a link?
- Christina Pikas
They DO NOT LIKE faculty using their stuffs for electronic reserves. I'm sure they know the most popular articles and they will use magick to prevent us from linking to them without many extra dollars.
- $tephanie•Gardening
I'm assuming they mean: no linking, no downloading, no printing (and, by means of blocking those 3 things, no course reserves. unless you pay their special fees.).
- Marianne
So, we will have to scan from the print to put into reserves? Can hbr stop that? Is there language in the print version that says what can and can't be fair use for reserve readings?
- OMG 404 Joe
Yeah, if you own the print, that would be completely different. There aren't any licensing terms when you own something--just copyright law. (You really think they'll ban printing? Don't think I've seen that in EBSCO before.)
- JffKrlsn
What Rebecca, Rudi said, "Read only" ???
- aarontay
Instead of a direct permalink, I guess we're to create a search which brings back only the one true result (like we are supposed to do now) ... and enforcement is unrealistic at best. Anyway, they're gonzo imho.
- awd (canoeist in th wild)
I read that in a meeting and went "what the hell?" I don't understand how this is enforceable at all.
- ~Courtney F
I love this sentence so much: "As you are likely aware, full-text licensing agreements with publishers are subject to change in all databases, and EBSCO is committed to providing our customers with as much advance notice as possible on full-text content changes as often as we possibly can."
- Meg V. Meg
At a faculty meeting, got asked about ereserves for HBR articles..... immediately thought of this.... Told him will get back to him on this issue after checking with business librarians...
- aarontay
Ereserves for HBR would require special permissions from HBR directly. I'm still waiting for the quote on access to the articles. It is a static list, though
- ~Courtney F
the list of articles is static, courtney? Interesting. That would make me really suspect it's tied to their repackaging articles as books initiatives of late
- ellbeecee
So what's the bottom line here? What's changed exactly? Any further explanation from EBSCOhost about what we can now no longer do on this already restricted journal?
- Stephen le Francoeur
When I read the email a while back, I got the impression the list is of the articles most linked to and downloaded. I wish we'd drop our subscription because the terms of license make the materials next to worthless at a university. DO NOT USE THIS STUFF TO TEACH WITH. Okay, jerks.
- kaijsa
Even if "ereserves" is just a link to ebsco platform from courseware? That's not allowed? I was told the 500 includes popular stuff such as on leadership...
- aarontay
Aaron, the way I read the restriction, yes. Even that would not be allowed.
- ~Courtney F
They have always been weird about links in syllabi and course systems for years. Whether or not it's okay to recommend an HBR article to a student in a hushed whisper is still unclear.
- barbara fister
Yup, LBC, I confirmed twice that it's a static list (I was kind of surprised). Stephen, according to the quote I got, the "extended rights" would "include the ability to print, save to a folder and include PDF’s of these articles in course work". I'm not sure who they think will be able to afford this, because I can assure you, the quote I received is well out of our reach.
- ~Courtney F
sigh. Apparently our Acq dep't read the EBSCO letter, verified that we don't have the extended rights, and left it at that. Why does it take ME to push them towards finding out what the language means, and which titles are effected, and that we need to know which of the titles are heavily used here and which spend much time on course reserves???Those are pretty obvious questions right? I'm not some kind of savant, right?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Rudy, the ebsco license for HBR already disallowed reserves, IIRC, and I know they monitored for linking to articles from within a CMS because the business school at a former workplace got hit by that.
- ellbeecee
Hmm. Then what's different now?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Right now I can save a personal copy, I can print a personal copy, I can email myself a personal copy of all the HBR articles. Come August, 500 of these (apparently a static list) will be unavailable for saving/printing/whatever that personal copy - I can still read the article on screen. At least that's how I'm interpreting the letter.
- ellbeecee
On an unrelated note (ahem) that is totally disconnected from the content of the rest of this thread (ahem), I think libraries really need to make sure that students and faculty have mastered screen capture software, as it's essential for all sorts of scholarly work.
- Stephen le Francoeur
^^^ hee hee hee hee hee
- Catherine Pellegrino
I agree, Stephen, and have had similar thoughts. That's an important skill in the digital world.
- ellbeecee
huh. Yeah. there's gonna need ot be some explaining of that...
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Could library databases stop having such grandiose names? "OmniFile", or "Something Search Premier", or "OneFile Gold Complete" or "World of Knowledge of the Globe" or whatever.
bevedog, Galadriel C., lris and 5 other people liked this
and could they all stop having "academic" in the name? LexisNexis Academic, Academic Search Complete, Academic Onefile. How are the students supposed to tell them apart?!
- $tephanie•Gardening
How about "The Little Database That Could"? "Academic Search Good Enough"? "Satisfice Search"?
- Catherine Pellegrino
"Satisfice Search", yes! Or "Just Enough Fulltext for 3am Database".
- Amandadon't
Oh! Or "The Paper's Due Tomorrow Database," or "For Undergrads Only Search Xtreme"
- Catherine Pellegrino
"Git Yer LitCrit Here!" or "All Theory, All The Time" would help my students.
- kaijsa
I'm going to recommend some of these for our branding if we ever get a discovery layer :) I like "Satisfice Search" and "Just Enough Fulltext for 3am Database" best, I think :)
- ~Courtney F
"The Database That Isn't JSTOR"
- MontglaneChess
SuperUltraMegaGinormousExtraAcademicDatabase+
- OMG 404 Joe
Google. ;)
- ellbeecee
"Get your articles here with the data sliced and diced the way you want it--you know, that marketing data with demographics by county, city, zipcode and by age, gender, sexual orientation, occupation, and brand preference of soda or other beverage."
- OMG 404 Joe
Mediocrity with Full Text
- JffKrlsn
the data #joe's student wants ... from the 19th century. Online. Via Google.
- $tephanie•Gardening
MegaSearch JazzHands
- Meg V. Meg
Gamera Index Retrospective
- Meg V. Meg
It's all about jamming two words together with the cap in the middle. Maybe we need to brand ourselves as the LiBrary. What does that mean? It means whatever we want to mean!
- Larry Schwartz
This is what we need - https://twitter.com/mreidsm...
- barbara fister
Pop stars! You name ones aimed at undergrads after the youngest popstars: Justin Beiber Source Premier. Grad students, slightly older: Beyonce Academic. Pre-Tenure, a bit older: Courtney Love Abstracts. Full profs, classic rock city: Web of Kiss. (Please excuse my lack of knowledge of pop stars under 50...)
- John Dupuis
I love so much of this. The ideal would probably just be called "Articles." That's what the Apple app would be called, anyway.
- bevedog
iJrnls
- RepoRat
iAcademic LiBrary GaMera Plus Premier Edition
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Question about eresource authentication at your library. Is it true at your workplace, all you need to do is to login to the campus wifi and you straight away have access to say sciencedirect.com without using say ezproxy? And for off campus you either use ezproxy or vpn? Getting lots of comments in survey that they want something like this.
Typically along the lines of "the university i was exchange at...." or "I have affiliation with another university library..." etc..
- aarontay
I believe that we require ezproxy login for wireless access, on- or off-campus (though I don't think that's a technological constraint, just how we've chosen to handle it, because guests can access our wifi). And actually, now that we have single sign-on, if someone off-campus is logged into their email, then usually they'll be authenticated for library stuff. If they're not, then they can ezproxy.
- Meg V. Meg
Just to confirm about your single sign on. Say I sign on to my campus email offcampus say via exchange web, then somehow it means I can access sciencedirect.com without the proxy?
- aarontay
If you are on the campus Wi-Fi, you will have already authenticated. The guest Wi-Fi is a separate network
- awd (canoeist in th wild)
from Android
On campus, you're authenticated. Off campus, ezproxy.
- lris
What Iris said. (And what DJF and ellbeecee say below, too)
- Jenica
What Iris said.
- Catherine Pellegrino
What Iris said. We provide guest access to anybody who comes into the library, since our licences allow anybody physically on campus to use the material.
- DJF
What Iris said.
- maʀtha
what Iris said. The exception to the off-campus is if you're connected through the vpn, which gives you an on campus IP address. Quite honestly, that's more trouble than it's worth for library stuff when ezproxy works well.
- ellbeecee
Re: single sign-on, you still have to start from a library or university...uh...portal/interface(?) but then you don't have to login to ezproxy (if you're logged into your email or CMS). Like, you can't go to sciencedirect.com and have it know who you are, but you don't have to type in the same login info twice, if you've already logged in otherwise (in the same browser, obv) and navigate to ScienceDirect from a library/university page.
- Meg V. Meg
Thanks Megs. It's the go direct to Sciencedirect.com that is borthering people. within a browser sessions, we dont have to login twice.
- aarontay
As I understand it, it's a matter of the vendor having both your campus IP range and your proxy server IP range. If they have both, you can go direct on campus and get in, if they only have your proxy IPs everyone has to go through the proxied links, on or off campus. Is that what you mean?
- Rebecca Hedreen
Yeah, we a) tell vendors the IP range to enable, which means anyone on campus gets direct access without signing in; and b) enable the databases through ezproxy, which means that anyone authenticating through ezproxy looks to the database as if they're in the enabled IP range. (We do authentication to ezproxy by LDAP and/or something to do with Voyager which I'm still getting my head around.)
- Deborah Fitchett
Yep, we also have auto-authentication to both our uni and our guest wifi.
- kaijsa
Yes, wifi provides unproxied access for us. Vendors have the IP addresses.
- JffKrlsn
Exactly Rebecca, we doing the later with vendors having only the proxy ip range. People have been clamouring for the campus ip range to work, the only problem is not everyone who can get that ip address are supposed to use our eresources. So a visitor may have been granted a university network account to access wifi, login to campus pcs etc but they aren't supposed to use eresources...
- aarontay
Surely your license allows for walk-in users? Most do, at least for US contracts. Your visitors would be covered with that. We don't allow ours proxy access because that means they could get in remotely, which means they're not "walk-in" users.
- Royce's favorite Anna
Yes the "Walk-in" argument, I do know that once a user actually pulled out Jstor's terms of use to show which does indeed allow walk-ins. I am not sure if there is execessive caution at work here that we don't allow, or if indeed licenses are much more strict because my country is different due to the small size of the country.
- aarontay
Our contracts in the UK usually explicitly excluded walk-ins. It's why Eduroam was so important, I think . ETA: because wifi was locked down, so getting internet while on other universities was through Eduroam.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
You can also create groups in Ezproxy, so that Group A gets all the resources, Group B only gets some of the resources. You can either specify a list of usernames for a given group, or have it depend on information from LDAP. (This is part of the stuff I'm currently getting my head around so we can set up alumni to have certain access.)
- Deborah Fitchett
Yeah but's that's ezproxy. Increasingly people just google, and drop into sciencedirect or whatnot. There are tricks of course to handle this, but better is just authenticate based on campus ip. Jaclyn, does it mean for you, users on campus need to use a proxy? Sidenote for eduroam we support it too here.
- aarontay
One tidbit from the Ithaka faculty survey for 2012 - 90 percent of faculty search for content on the open web when they discover an article that isn't full text in library databases, while 80 percent turn to ILL. Last night I was helping a student and was amazed that we found every JSTOR article she was looking for posted to some .edu site (not by the author). Libraries are the thumb publishers are jamming in the dike while it's crumbling.
- barbara fister
you totally need to use that line in something for IHE or ElJay, Barbara.
- RepoRat
jhu is getting ready to offer "eduroam" so visiting scholars can log in to the wifi with their own institution's authentication... i'm a bit fuzzy on this but I think they'll still be coming from JHU's IP range, so they'll have access to our licenses (and not their home institution's)
- Christina Pikas
Christina hmm I have to check with our Computer Centre about the ip range eduroam grants, if true that's yet another issue to consider if we grant access via campus ip range.
- aarontay
The number of people that use our bookmarklet that adds the proxy is about 1/3 as much as Summon the default search box. That's a stunning figure if you realise 1) bookmarklets are hardly main-stream 2) We teach it a lot but it's pretty well hidden on our site so you can't just stumble upon it, so there's a lot of word of mouth which I can see based on scans on twitter etc 3) This...
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- aarontay
How do you capture/measure usage of the bookmarket?
- Deborah Fitchett
Essentially you make the bookmarklet pull the script from a file on your server. Then you can see how often it is used. You can get fancy and add google analytics etc. A side benefit is that you can change the script without making people bookmark it again say if you changed the proxy URL to include https or what not. I blogged about it http://musingsaboutlibrariansh...
- aarontay
Ah, neat, thanks!
- Deborah Fitchett
Anyone using Innovative's Sierra - got any good helper documents for patrons? I am not fond of the few III provides. I will happily give you all due credit ('original handout from Acme PL' or whatever) if you'd allow me to borrow/edit them for our use? Thanks in advance.
bumping in hope...
- Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
Sierra is really new. I'd be surprised if there are many customers in LSW, much less ones with good documentation.
- Royce's favorite Anna
We're moving from Horizon, and we've got a lot of folks for whom the change is...disconcerting. Thanks anyways, folks! When/if I get our own docs out there, I'll try to remember to share, for anyone coming up behind us :)
- Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
We're using Sierra but all of the changes are in the back end, no change for patrons. Or did they sneak something in there when we weren't looking?
- Marie
We been supposed to move to Sierra for a while. This time I am told *definitely* will by 1st half of 2013.. But as you said, there is no change for patrons (though I've read you could do stuff if you wanted to due to apis and whatnot), so I not worrying about it too much.
- aarontay
Can you direct me to the worst library website you've seen? Looking for an academic library, but will take other examples. My Google-fu is failing me.
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Here's what one person thinks! http://twitter.com/AngieGi...
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
I love the folks at UW-Oshkosh, so I feel like a traitor, but: http://www.uwosh.edu/library/
- RepoRat
And if you want a nice linkfarm, http://library.uwsp.edu/
- RepoRat
This guy doesn't name names, but I wonder if you could figure out who he's talking about? http://roddymacleod.wordpress.com/2010...
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Like Oshkosh, we're doing a re-design soon, but our site is terri-bad: http://www.uwlax.edu/murphyl...
- Jen
Gotta admit, when I encounter a blog that's light-grey type on a dark-grey background, I take the advice on bad websites with a whole bushel of salt. Or would, if I was even willing to punish my eyes all the way through.
- Walt Crawford
True dat.
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
So one criteria for the worst website is number of links on the home page? we have 18 links, 13 buttons, not counting search tabs and menubar (mouse over drop down menu)
- aarontay
Jen, yours isn't that bad. The UW-Oshkosh redesign is nice.
- Running Slow
http://www.ivcc.edu/library... And this is an improvement over the old one.
- Running Slow
Yep Walt. I spent about 30 seconds and said a bad word while moving on.
- Running Slow
I think UW-Oshkosh best illustrates my point. Thanks, all!
- Royce's favorite Anna
Aaron, we've got you beat by a mile for links. I remember counting 50 links on it a few years ago, and I thinks some have been added since then... I'd never suggest that it's among the worst library websites out there, though. http://scc.losrios.edu/~librar...
- JffKrlsn
Right. Is not just the number of links. I wouldn't suggest ours is among the worst either. At least the current version. But i think our libguides home might almost rank as that and it's mostly my fault.
- aarontay
regarding that blog post, apart from gray on black problems, there's this: libraries that don't have a discovery layer are just plain stupid. "If finances are so bad, and there’s no other viable way, they should get rid of a member of library staff and invest instead in improving the services that are actually needed." Because as we all know, Primo and Summon work without any need for staff whatsoever.
- barbara fister
...and that member of the library staff certainly isn't responsible for any services that are actually needed. :-/
- Catherine Pellegrino
ours is.... not so good. library.illinois.edu
- Sarah
Might a before/after look help? See: http://library.temple.edu (before) and http://pine.library.temple.edu (after - not completely there yet) Tried to move from link overkill to most important stuff you need and more visual content
- steven bell
Public libraries are awesome at having bad websites! http://www.trumbullct-library.org/
- Miriella
Made on a Mac, using Dreamweaver. This one is OK...
- Julian
UNN LIBRARY HAS ALL THE MATERIALS MEEDED FOR MORE TRY http://koha-library.unn.edu.ng:8081/
- ginaunn
UNIVERSITY OF NIGERIA E RESOURCES http://unn.edu.ng/chart/repo
- ginaunn
So after a thorough review of every RSS Reader out there I think I've settled on http://newsblur.com/ though I'm also considering http://theoldreader.com/ but I found it a bit too basic. Has anyone else settled on anything?
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Currently running Tiny Tiny RSS, impressed by Newsblur. Do you have a sense of how well Newsblur handles feeds that don't validate? TTRSS just drops 'em on the floor.
- RepoRat
I think I've settled on newsblur as well. It works the way I want a reader to, mostly, and though there are features I'm not sure that I'll use, the basic is what is important to me. I don't have an answer for RR's question, though. ETA: I also really like the ipad app.
- ellbeecee
huh. Nope, if you can point me to one I'll add it and see what happens. I liked tinytiny as well, but kept going back to newsblur, and it's work a buck a month to have someone else host it.
- Blake
I feel like it's 2004 all over again, but I can never go back to a desktop RSS reader. I think I'll settle on Old Reader, mainly because it's free for now and doesn't have limits on the number of feeds.
- Royce's favorite Anna
I've settled on relying on you to point out/post the important stuff.
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
try hangingtogether.org?
- RepoRat
I sort of like Feedly so far (currently pulling from Google but says it ports everything over). The app is flakey on my phone, though
- Megan loves summer
hangingtogether.org successfully added to newsblur.
- Blake
I didn't hate Feedly but found it too... flashy or something?
- Blake
what's an RSS reader? :P
- holly #ravingfangirl
Feedly works for me.
- Jenica
real answer :I gave up GR long ago and use Netvibes for the few feeds I keep track of.
- holly #ravingfangirl
Still waiting to see if google will change their minds...
- aarontay
I've been using feedly while I wait for Old Reader to import my feeds. I've got feedly set to default to just the list format and like it well enough, and the app works fine on my phone (Android)
- Kirsten
I'm using Feedly.
- Jason P
Feedly is just not quite right for me - though maybe I haven't used the list format enough. I really could whip through feeds in GR with just the keyboard commands and a few spare minutes. I want that in my next feed reader...
- WebGoddess
Old Reader sounds good. I'm going to give it a go.
- Jason P
i'm trying old reader. i was #22,000 on the list but it's now done importing :)
- Christina Pikas
huh. i thought i settled on Feedly last night. Now I want to look at NewsBlur again...ETA: oh yeah. Newsblur wanted me to create an account with them. I don't wanna.
- ~Courtney F
I've been using Feedly, but I do see that it isn't doing well on adding new feeds (pretty consistent failure, actually). Maybe I'll try Newsblur.
- Walt Crawford
Is there one or another that allows easy sharing (to Twitter/FB/Email) ?
- Hedgehog
Newsblur has sharing, but I haven't looked at it real hard because I don't share. MINE MINE ALL MINE.
- RepoRat
I don't like that NewsBlur only lets me have 64 feeds unless I upgrade to a premium account. Maybe I need to weed or maybe I need to suck it up and pay $$. Or maybe I should just keep using Feedly like I have been for the past week or so. It's ok.
- John: Thread Killer
@Reporat.... sideeye at your Pinboard/Twitter account. Uh huh...right.
- Hedgehog
I don't share everything I read, just everything I bookmark. And actually, not even that -- only the stuff I bookmark for my courses.
- RepoRat
Am using Netvibes but I haven't worked out what keyboard shortcut I'm accidentally using that makes the page do things I didn't expect. These things take time.
- Deborah Fitchett
Using Feedly - the transfer was super smooth, I like the app well enough (though I'm still getting used to navigation), and I like the Chrome extension. I haven't had any problems worth shopping around for something better. I've had a Netvibes workspace for ages and fiddled with the idea of using it as a replacement, but after importing all my feeds, I didn't like the way it looked.
- Grumpator
This thread is coming up at a good time for me. I didn't like Feedly and am trying Bloglovin, which is still not quite right. I want super simple and no magazine-layout! Will try the others listed here, and also add them to my RSS LibGuide as suggestions for places to look for GR replacements.
- kaijsa
I've been using GR and Feedly over the past year. Like Feedly well enough though adding new feeds and organizing is kinda hinky. I was bemoaning those lacks on Twitter last night and somebody from the Feedly group said they are working on those issues. Hmmm
- Marge LW
this whole thing makes me sad and cranky (as if i don't have enough to be sad and cranky about lately). i was > 30000th in line to have my feeds imported to old reader (now, after most of a week, i still have 20000+ people ahead of me). tried fever--i don't love the UI and since my hosting is on dreamhost it's kinda oversubscribed so the performance is crap. was going to try tiny tiny...
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- henry
plus: do not love feedly at all.
- henry
One of the other things I don't like about theoldreader is it being free. I don't have much confidence they'll be around for long, or at least free for long.
- Blake
Anyone with Artstor access - are you able to double-click to open an image then click on the 'save' icon to download it? Or does it at that point tell you you have to register?
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Same.
- Meg V. Meg
ditto "Please log in to download"
- ~Courtney F
Yup, login to download. Printing is available without logging in, however.
- Rebecca Hedreen
how about print to file or print to pdf printer? (yeah, I know pdf is not image...)
- awd (canoeist in th wild)
Thanks all - their FAQs weren't in accordance with the behaviour, good to know it's not just us.
- Deborah Fitchett
Official Google Reader Blog: Powering Down Google Reader - http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2013...
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Heads-up. Also, !#@$%^$#@!#@$%
- RepoRat
from Bookmarklet
NONONONONONONONONO
- jambina
anyone have alternatives to greader?
- Sir Shuping is just sir
I just saw that this second and clicked over here to wail THEY BE STEALING MY RSS!
- Deborah Fitchett
If your feeds are low-velocity, the Firefox plugin Sage might do; it's what I use at home. If you need something server-side that'll poll feeds and hang onto stuff so it doesn't age out... I don't know. But that's what I need for work, I'm afraid.
- RepoRat
shit. i use it to combine and export feeds so much!
- kendrak
I need something web-based. Once I started writing my own on the grounds "How hard can it be?" but it turned out to be pretty damn hard.
- Deborah Fitchett
Well damn.
- Heather
+1 to the web based and synced. Read on multiple devices. I also mash up feeds via bundles and re feed to work Sharepoint. I am wondering if they didn't include in their users the use via third party apps :(
- suelibrarian
Any chance this is an early April Fool's? No? Arrrgh.
- Megan loves summer
^^^ what Deborah said. *wail*
- $tephanie•Gardening
blerg
- lris
It looks like I *could* just use Outlook for my professional ones (not that I love the web interface but it exists for when needed) and find something else for my home ones.
- Deborah Fitchett
I predict lots of librarian posts about feedreader alternatives.
- $tephanie•Gardening
Sorry but FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK!
- Stephen le Francoeur
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Catherine Pellegrino
what Francoeur said, basically. Anyway, Dan Cohen just tweeted that CHNM built a feedreader plugin for WordPress that they're gonna release shortly. I have hopes.
- RepoRat
I'm hunting for something that will work on an iPad--my main reading venue. No joy yet. Lots of now useless Goggle Reader integration.
- Heather
Time to reinstall Feedly everywhere (phone, tablet, browsers).
- Stephen le Francoeur
Should I be surprised that the Feedly site is down now?
- Stephen le Francoeur
like the rest of tonight: lots of *sigh*
- John: Thread Killer
I would like to add several f-bombs to the pile. I wasn't crazy about Feedly on an Android tablet, but at this point if it works and stays in freaking business I guess I'll take it.
- Amandadon't
checking out Newsblur
- jambina
Metafilter is on the case: http://ask.metafilter.com/237169... and so is Lifehacker: http://lifehacker.com/5990456... Feedly, Newsblur, and The Old Reader are getting mentioned a fair bit.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Boo. Hiss. And what others have said. And after I added 500+ liblogs to my feeds... Arrggh.
- Walt Crawford
[And using Bing as my primary search engine is feeling better and better all the time. Although I'll stick with Gmail. For now.]
- Walt Crawford
*DuckDuckGo fistbump*, Walt.
- RepoRat
+1 for DuckDuckGo. Would be grateful for any workable alternatives to gmail.
- Deborah Fitchett
LET'S ALL JUST NOT FREAK OUT... I AM FREAKING OUT... LET'S ALL REMAIN CALM... I AM NOT CALM
- Blake
From your 948 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 15,786 items, clicked 226 items, starred 49 items, and emailed 39 items. Since August 1, 2011 you have read a total of 300,000+ items.
- Blake
You may not be in the minority. Those who don't give a damn typically won't comment here. (Re DDG: Tried it. Still like Bing better, but DDG's in my magic Firefox searchbox pulldown menu...along with IMDB, WorldCat, WolframAlpha and Blekko.)
- Walt Crawford
I read it less for library blogs than I used to but more for library journals. For me it's not about people (I use FF and Twitter for that) it's about information. I discovered its imminent demise by adding a feed for the ezproxy changelogs so I'd know of any important upgrades.
- Deborah Fitchett
I also use it to monitor the publication of data sets in our self serve repository.
- suelibrarian
Grumble grumble grumble. I have always been a GReader girl. Very annoyed by this.
- Hedgehog
This also knocks out many apps and services. Even flipboard is affected I think if you use it the way I did..Switching to one of the other cloud rss readers wont solve this part. Also google reader storage of all the items..all gone right?
- aarontay
I'm going to set up a fever instance since I have my own hosting. newsblur has slowed to a crawl and i don't really love its interface ... I like netvibes better but it, too, is overwhelmed.
- henry
Netvibes kept my folders intact when I imported the OPML (unlike Outlook, boo hiss). I'll have to test more things once the servers stop being overwhelmed.
- Deborah Fitchett
CHMH might develop an open source reader - via PressForward.
- barbara fister
I still have a Bloglines acct, so I'm trying that (but it appears to be a Netvibe skin, so might just try Netvibe itself). If I get energetic, I'll try Feedly and The Old Reader as well. One of 'em should meet my modest and peculiar needs. NOT looking for "turn your feeds into a magazine/newspaper." Not. At. All.
- Walt Crawford
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I still don't believe that.
- kendrak
NO WAY!
- OMG 404 Joe
For real! Patrons don't like to search the way librarians do!
- laura x
See my previous comments about how vendors need to skip the background on the market segment and just talk about THEIR product.
- DJF
don't patrons like to search and search and search and search and maybe find something eventually?
- $tephanie•Gardening
How do I like David's comment? (I did ILS demos last year, this year I got to do VoIP demos)
- John: Thread Killer
It's really a wonder people don't muffle me at these things.
- laura x
It's TOTALLY A FAD. In five years, those discovery layers will be gone and we'll be back to good old LAST-IN-FIRST-OUT, the way Dui intended. And all that digital crap they're shoving into our catalog? EFF THAT. Books. That's what the catalog is ABOUT, people.
- RepoRat
you mean like federated searching? (kidding!!)
- maʀtha
you can also get an obfuscation layer
- maʀtha
otherwise known as the "link resolver"
- RepoRat
Ironic, since theirs isn't really a true discovery layer...sigh. And I love "obfuscation layer". That would be our old Horizon catalog's HIP interface.
- Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
ROTFLMAO @ "obfuscation layer"
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
Hmm *so* going to steal that joke at a presentation I giving later...
- aarontay
Yes it is! Is it a innovative thing only or ?
- aarontay
Voyager was nothing but "obfuscation layer." Try finding The Sun Also Rises in any Voyager catalog.
- $tephanie•Gardening
Is the enter key on a computer keyboard a skeuomorph? Or is it a vestige?
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If it says "return" it's a vestige.
- bevedog
what if it says both?
- ~Courtney F
Then it is redundant. :)
- bevedog
More seriously, the way I understand "skeuomorph" is that it is something that is functionally `unnecessary, but the presence of which seeks to make the user more comfortable by evoking an analogous earlier technology. So, for example, if your word processor emitted a chime every time you came to the end of the line in order to make typewriter users feel more comfortable, I think that...
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- bevedog
I would pay $100 for a carriage return lever on my notebook computer. That would be awesome.
- Stephen le Francoeur
If the display moved from right to left while you were typing? And when it went as far as it could to the left it would ring a real bell and you had to shove it back over to the right to type more?
- bevedog
Could get this. http://www.usbtypewriter.com/
- OMG 404 Joe
It would have to make that zip sound when you shoved it back over to the right, too.
- Stephen le Francoeur
Joe, you've restored my faith in humanity.
- Stephen le Francoeur
Holy crap, Joe. I have an Underwood Portable, much like the one shown here: http://cdn.shopify.com/s... I may just have to do this.
- bevedog
I... wonder if my parents still have that ancient Olympia I used to use. That thing was a beast.
- RepoRat
I remember using an old manual typewriter from god knows when and an electric one that was my mom's in college (early 60s). But my fondest memories are of the fancy IBM Selectric I got upgraded to in my first job out of college; it had a little LCD screen that showed a line or two of text and it had memory in it so that you could crank out templates and form letters. None of us had PCs yet and we thought we were the shit with our Selectrics (daisy wheel FTW!)
- Stephen le Francoeur
i grew up using Selectrics. such fond memories.
- holly #ravingfangirl
Mine says Enter, and I'd say it's neither a skeuomorph or a vestige. What would you suggest in place of the Enter key to say "I'm done with this, Enter it"? Typewriters didn't have Enter keys--and unless there's an open doorway on the key, it's not at all a skeuomorph.
- Walt Crawford
Oh, it was a the IBM Wheelwriter, not the Selectric. Something like this: http://www.etypewriters.com/ww25ii...
- Stephen le Francoeur
Are there computer keyboards anywhere that say "Return?"
- Stephen le Francoeur
I know that until he was at least 95 my father had an ancient Royal with glass or plexiglass sides. That was a wonder. (As soon as I could afford one, I got a used electric that was apparently designed for special purposes, as it had a 14" carriage--but it was cheap.)
- Walt Crawford
When I was going through the archives of the NYPL, I found dozens of letters written each week by the head of the Jewish Division in the 1940s and 1950s where he had clearly removed the letter from his Latin character typewriter and put it into his Hebrew typewriter to get a word or two in mid-sentence. The volume of letters that guy cranked out to people from around the world asking for essentially reader's advisory help was amazing.
- Stephen le Francoeur
Macs and Apples have always said return (though now they also say Enter, like Courtney's).
- bevedog
I want my "Enter" key to say "Speak Friend" as a lousy Fellowship of the Ring joke.
- bevedog
Return is, in fact, a vestige, since that's not what the key does. Did they say Shift Lock instead of Caps Lock as well?
- Walt Crawford
Walt and I agree. Woot.
- bevedog
My keyboard does say "Shift," which when you think about it is a vestige, too.
- Stephen le Francoeur
And my Option keys also say "Alt," a nice nod to those used to inferior technology.
- bevedog
I keep pressing the Tab key but no soda ever shows up. #shamelessSimpsonsjoketheft
- Stephen le Francoeur
But Return/Enter does typically send the cursor to the beginning of the next line.
- Victor Ganata
This iPad says return.
- OMG 404 Joe
Pressing Enter to start a new line does not say "I'm done with this, enter it"; in any modern system, text is entered upon pressing any key. Is it a vestige of DOS and other console-based OS's?
- JffKrlsn
That's interesting, because the Enter key is now pretty context-specific. Sometimes it is functionally a "carriage return" starting a new line and returning the cursor to the left-most part of the new line. Sometimes it means more "I am done with this, now act on it." And sometimes I get messed up when I can't remember how it will act in a certain context. In a facebook comment, it's the carriage return, but in FriendFeed it's the "I'm done" key--or is it vice-versa. *presses Enter*
- bevedog
Mine's a vestige, but that's because it has a little T-Rex arm on it instead of a word.
- Jason P
It still sends the cursor to the beginning of the next line in certain contexts even in these new days.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
I love this whole thread.
- laura x
JffK: You confuse "I want this letter to appear on the screen" with "I'm done with this." Enter frequently (not always) means the latter--e.g., beginning searches in most search engines, going to the next field in many forms, etc., etc. And, as Steve demonstrated, saying "I'm done with this Friendfeed comment for now." And what Laura sez.
- Walt Crawford
The fact (is that true?) that Enter does NOT complete a comment in Facebook says a lot about Facebook. Odd that they didn't get this right in learning from the Friendfeed acquisition.
- Walt Crawford
I don't know that Enter completing/posting a Facebook item is objectively "right" - sometimes the "carriage return"/break/paragraph option is needed, and there's not another obvious way to do it (while there *is* another obvious way to post items).
- Rachel Walden
Walt, you can change that setting in Facebook
- ~Courtney F
Friendfeed seems to be the outlier. Facebook, Twitter, Google+, and Tumblr all treat Enter/Return as newline/carriage (or perhaps cursor) return.
- Victor Ganata
Hmm. Actually, in FB, Twitter, and G+, "it depends." For an *action*--searching, for example, Enter begins the action. For *text*, it seems to act as a paragraph break. (As an old-line Word/Windows user, I'm used to thinking of Ctrl-Enter as the line break mechanism, but that's certainly not typical.)
- Walt Crawford
And we wonder why explaining computers to novice users is hard....
- laura x
This gets more interesting. I just commented on somebody else's post on Facebook (sigh: some "Tribal Unity" group accusing Charles Schultz of racism by grotesquely misreading a cartoon)...and, look at that, when I hit Enter it Entered the comment. So: On your own post, it's a paragraph; on a comment, it's Enter. (Does this have something to do with the cough source cough of FB's comment handling?)
- Walt Crawford
Lazyweb: still having trouble embedding libguide boxes into our library's main page. Do any of you do this? Have examples of library sites that plop a box into a non-libguides webpage? Our puzzled webmaster would like to see some examples.
I haven't actually done this on a live page, but I've tested it and it works. Edit Box Info, Box Link & Embed Code, then the third bit of code--here's a test page with one: http://www.scc.losrios.edu/x96160... I think this feature is a little underwhelming when you are not able to use the theme/styles of your own site, and get only the generic Libguides styling (unless you have permission to edit the stylesheets for your CMS, which is not likely for most of us).
- JffKrlsn
Our Library News section is a Libguides box: http://library.southernct.edu (on the right), but we control the CSS on our site. The tags seem to be unique, if you can get some additional styling added to your CMS it's not likely to affect anything already there.
- Rebecca Hedreen
Thanks!
- barbara fister
Has anyone heard of discovery services indexing metadata for self archiving sites like Cogprints.org?
Crickets
- maʀtha
I believe we have our IR data in our instance of Summon, but if Summon, EDS, Primo, etc. are truly going to be discovery tools, they need to facilitate discovery of much more than subscription content. Whichever discovery service ups the anti and *successfully* indexes public self archiving/OA sites will have a distinct competitive advantage.
- Galadriel C.
Yes.
- Marie
jumping ahead several months - they also will need to index all of the government repositories created in response to the OSTP OA memo.
- Christina Pikas
EDS has the entirety of both Cogprints and Arxiv. Although currently Cogprints won't show up if you have the full-text limiter checked... https://docs.google.com/file...
- JffKrlsn
Oooh; thanks for that JffKrlsn, and yes Christina let's jump ahead!
- Galadriel C.
It's not a library job, but maybe someone here knows someone who wants to do educational technology stuff at a community college in Sacramento, CA? Sacramento City College has a faculty-level "Instructional Development Coordinator" position open.
It's a techy job. Of course I can't link to the job listing because of our crazy jobs site, but you'll find it at https://jobs.losrios.edu
- JffKrlsn
Uncool. (We are fine here, btw.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Love the professional white background.
- Meg V. Meg
It's now working for us, but it was error city yesterday.
- kaijsa
yep, we're back in business, too. no explanation.
- Marie
Kirsten, aarontay, Kathy and Stephen le Francoeur liked this
It artificially bumps up statistics for individual subject specific databases. There are ways to compute around it, and I have referred those ways to the people who crunch the numbers, but they don't do it, so every time we look at database statistics in our collection development meetings, I have to explain all over again...
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
Can you expand on that, please? Which discovery layer are y'all using and in what way does it bump stats?
- Kirsten
I'm guessing it's got to be boosting the sessions count. But then so does a link resolver. Both allow discovery of the item to happen elsewhere and then zoom the searcher straight to the item in some random subject database where the full text happens to reside.
- Stephen le Francoeur
EDS. If you run a search in EDS, it counts as a search in each database included in EDS. So, a small database like Abstracts in Social Gerontology, which used to get something like 12,000 searches now gets 30,000. If you look at the number of searches in EDS you can figure out the difference and get the number of times the subject specific database was accessed directly instead of through EDS, but our number cruncher doesn't compute it for us.
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
Huh. I don't think Summon works that way. I could be mistaken but I think that a search in Summon doesn't get double counted as a search in the database where the user has been sent to access an item found back in Summon.
- Stephen le Francoeur
How does EDS communicate to the non-EBSCO databases that a search has been run?
- Stephen le Francoeur
I don't exactly know, but I do know if we have a non-Ebsco database that has say, maximum 5 simultaneous users, we have had to remove them from the EDS index, because people were getting shut out of the database (accessing it directly) when there was an assignment, because others running EDS seraches were taking up the 5 slots.
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
For Ebsco databases where there are a limited number of users, that is waived in the EDS searches, but not for non-Ebsco databases.
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
Gah. As it happens, this morning I've been researching the stats for Summon and how I find evidence of its impact on our ecosystem of resources. Now I want to into EBSCO admin to get some stats and I can't get in. Server down?
- Stephen le Francoeur
EDS seems to work very differently from Summon, the way this is described makes it sound like a federated search solution at least stats wise. We haven't gotten ours long but if I remember most summon libraries are reporting fall in searches of most platforms but increase in downloads so I doubt summon is counting searches the way EDS is.
- aarontay
Just a Librarian, I think you're talking about the federated part of EDS, right? Stephen,to your question: we create our own EDS index. This will include EBSCO dbs but also dbs from "partners" that have supplied metadata, e.g. ScienceDirect, JSTOR, DOAJ etc. So you've got these databases on your profile, and so it's basically EBSCO's info statistically. The full text is another matter....
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- JffKrlsn
EDS sounds confusing even the index only. In Summon the stats (which admittedly is pathetic) doesn't care which database the results come from (whether from proquest - related company or not), searches in summon are just searches in summon, when user clicks on results it hands-off via openurl or direct linking and you collect your stats at the target via Counter or openurl side . Seems cleaner, assuming you already have process in place to monitor usage in the past.
- aarontay
We are getting started with Primo, which sounds like Summon in that it uses a large central index. As such, it sounds like it will be competely separate from our native interface searches. This is really helpful, thanks for the replies.
- Jen
Want to do some comparisons between our our federated search product (360 Search), our discovery layer (Summon), and some comprehensive, popular databases (Academic Search Complete and some players yet to be named...but I'll take suggestions). Is the ratio of searches per session at all an interesting statistic? From the numbers I see, it looks...
...like students run more searches in Summon per session. My theory is that they do so because it's so much faster and easier to use than our federated search was and our traditional databases. Here are the numbers I have so far. https://docs.google.com/spreads...
- Stephen le Francoeur
I do more searches in Summon because I don't get what I want right away and find I need to tweak things more in Summon than in EBSCO databases. fwiw
- $tephanie•Gardening
Stephanie, that's the other view of the ratio that I'm afraid might also be true. Can't tell from the data alone whether a high search per session ratio is generally a good thing or a bad thing. It's too much of a mixed bag, I'm guessing.
- Stephen le Francoeur
random question: do you all intend to keep the federated search since you have the discovery layer? i'm hearing our federated search will go away and i think it has some uses
- Christina Pikas
We cancelled 360 Search when we got Summon. I'm curious about what specific uses you have in mind?
- Stephen le Francoeur
Check what counts as a "search" in Summon. In EDS, each time you do a search it is counted as one search for each database on the profile, so a single click could be counted as 30, 50, etc. I looked into this because I thought fewer searches per session would be evidence that the discovery tool was doing its job--connecting users to resources more quickly. But it turns out there's no way to use those metrics to get there.
- JffKrlsn
Quick and dirty engineering search across inspec, compendex, inspec archive, ntis, aerospace and high tech - 3 different platforms. We embed that search on our pages.
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Curious that you still have more sessions of academic search complete than Summon. Is Summon your default search on your website? We hiding our federated search solution link from Dec where Summon becomes the default search. our article tab which was III webbridge will become a scoped summon search on top of the default summon box which will filter newspaper articles and book reviews by default.
- aarontay
Aaron, we don't have a search box, let alone a link to Summon on our home page (yet). The new library website that will be launched at the end of the year will feature a Summon-powered "Articles" search box as the default one. That's going to make our Summon stats go way up at the expense of other databases, I think.
- Stephen le Francoeur
RT @walkingpaper: If your website has a page about connecting to your wifi, you’re doing it wrong. Possibly two things wrong.
Chelle Chelle Ro Ro and Julian liked this
Reminded this weekend that inland Northern California--let's say Nevada County--may not be similar to the Greater Bay Area: At a relative's birthday party, chatting with a woman, mentioned how pleased we are that most acreage south of us in Livermore is permanently protected vineyard/olive orchard space, thanks to wineries...
...and the TriValley Conservancy. I think as soon as I said "protected land" and "Conservancy" she started ranting about Agenda 21, the UN tool to eliminate private property, how Nature Conservancy--and, she assumed, TriValley Conservancy--was just part of Agenda 21 and... sigh. I got used to chatting about the weather.
- Walt Crawford
[It became clear that she was spouting off fairly common assumptions in the area that any attempts at long-term conservation efforts were Evil Plans to Eliminate Property.]
- Walt Crawford
Didn't know that, and it's a different county, but, yep, that's it. And lots of talk of people becoming wholly self-sustaining because, well, you know...
- Walt Crawford
do you guys have something like this http://libguides.nus.edu.sg/proxy_b... ? Quite a few libraries have this but I haven't seen any analysis how well used it is. A couple of months back I altered it slightly to record whenever it was used. results? i see about 15-20% usage of eresources is driven by it! Must be doing something wrong.
MontglaneChess and RudĩϐЯaЯïan liked this
Nevertheless we know its popular. We promote it in classes, the libguide on it is usually top 3, faqs on it are top 5. Part if it is also because until this very month , we didn't have a real link resolver to speak of, so people using pubmed, google scholar were using it as a poor man's link resolver. Will be interesting to see if this will change next year once we get the word out about our link resolver working with google library links programme , pubmed etc. my suspicions is that while usage of the bookmarklet will fall it will still be popular because link resolvers don't work with a little something called google (not scholar).
- aarontay
that link doesn't work....are you talking about a proxy server or an a to z list or something else?
- ~Courtney F
A proxy bookmarklet? People love 'em.
- Meg V. Meg
http://libguides.nus.edu.sg/proxy_b... - Meg the fact people love it does point to the fact that a lot of discovery is happening "off site" . Not big news I suppose. I have also being collecting praise I detected via twitter etc, the way some talk , you might think the only thing the library is good for is that. Eg "love the proxy bookmarklet , now I understand where all our school fees are going to".
- aarontay
Yep. I have set them up for my science friends (those whose institutions don't have them). They're getting a lot of citations from bibliographies of articles that they read (or email, or Twitter, or blogs), and it's faster than going through the library site each time, or even putting a title in Google Scholar, and it's less bulky than LibX. I agree that oftentimes, it's the quickest, happiest thing that the library could ever give them.
- Meg V. Meg
ok, WANT this for MPOW. I have my own shortcut to the proxy prefix, but this is also a good idea. How do you all promote it?
- $tephanie•Gardening
We got a video and practically every liaison spends 5 min to promote it. That's somewhat unique i think. The bookmarklet doesn't always work some due to particularities of the platform , others because you subscribe to the same journal elsewhere. The last is particularly problematic if you tend to go through aggregators or sites where google doesn't tend to send you to. I wonder if we could improve this, but I suppose that's what's openurl, Libx is supposed to handle...
- aarontay
There's an ezproxy generator at http://wolstenhol.me/ezproxy/ if anyone wants. Promotion is harder, I'm still pondering this.
- Deborah Fitchett
I am using a variant that actually tracks usage of the bookmarklet directly if anyone interested let me know.
- aarontay
Anyone have an example of how to code this using the Innovative/WAM proxy? (cause you can't just add "location.href" in there...)
- JffKrlsn
Does that use cookies? It might be easier to take the user to a login page that, on success, routes them back to the page they were at to start with. </wild speculation>
- Deborah Fitchett
We more or less have this through LibX, which lets you right-click on any page and reload through the proxy. I'm wondering if we should also offer just the proxy bookmarklet? Or is the "right-click-through-LibX" enough?
- Amandadon't
We have that, but not for ezproxy--it is for our III proxy WAM server. It was developed by a chemistry student. Top of http://libguides.du.edu/cool_to...
- OMG 404 Joe
One could probably edit the javascript to put in your III WAM info. javascript:void((function()%7Blocation.href=location.href.replace(/%5Ehttp%5C:%5C/%5C/(%5B%5E%5C/%5C@%5D+)%5C/(?:)/,%22http://0-%22+%22$1%22.replace(...))
- OMG 404 Joe
Thanks for the WAM model, I edited for our domain and it works. (I've also been working on LibX but I doubt people are really going to install it...)
- JffKrlsn
Amandadon't: honestly, I feel like toolbars aren't long for this world (even though LibX has been very helpful to me personally). They're now affiliated with spammy browser/software installs.
- Meg V. Meg
Would a bookmarklet work better on a tablet/touch device, too?
- Amandadon't
It would work well, but it can be hard to get bookmarklets onto those devices. You generally can't drag them to a bookmarks bar...
- JffKrlsn
Libx is useful, but I like it more for the hot linking function, very handy for resolving pmid a, dois and checking issn/isbn. Libx 2.0 is not in the form of a typical toolbar though of course it is a change in form.
- aarontay
Oh and we got instructions for getting the bookmarklet on iPads & iPhones that we copied with permission from GVSU. The guys there also said that they dont support android versions because its hard to figure put which versions work and which doesn't - or something like that. I also figured out how to get The chrome browser on iOS devices to work with bookmarklet but its a different method . In short bookmarklet support for tablets is a mess depending on type of device and browser .
- aarontay
We've used LibX for years, but the most popular use was definitely for Google Scholar, which doesn't work in the new versions (thanks, Google.) I've been playing with a bookmarklet too. One problem is that it's easy to reload the page with the proxy, but if you don't have a subscription to that page, it doesn't work. For instance, Lippincott journals that we get through Ovid because LW won't do institutional subscriptions.
- Rebecca Hedreen
Rebecca exactly, that our most common question, and there are some platforms including jstor and IEEE where the page you land on prelogin does not quite work if you add the prefix proxy directly. That's why i prefer to use the google scholar links programme aka findit at link which we only just got a month ago.. But that one is not without issues eg I notice it is not correctly showing up for jstor journals...not just us..but common to 360link librarires..
- aarontay
Ours works fine with both JSTOR and IEEE, I just tried it.
- Meg V. Meg
Interesting that you're having JSTOR linking trouble, our 360 link page paths from GS link to login Page to JSTOR work without a problem. Our main roadblock with 360link is that the EBSCO indexing for NYT uses the correct authority title "The New York Times" to populate the OpenURL link -- but our ProQuest Newsstand subscription says the title is not found, because ProQuest uses their own title version for NYT "New York Times". Crazy stuff.
- awd (canoeist in th wild)
With some fiddling you can get it to work on an iPad/iPhone/iPod touch device. I forget where I stole the instructions from... I think it might have been UofMichigan: http://leddy.uwindsor.ca/off-cam... Also, inspired by this thread, I made a screencast that will go on our library shortly: http://www.screenr.com/1687
- copystar
awd--Thank you for the NYT comment. That's been driving us nuts and we couldn't figure out what the problem was!!
- Rebecca Hedreen
Rebecca, sorry to hear you have the same problem... My frustration with ProQuest and their practice of using "their" titles instead of "the authority title" continues to mount (esp. wrt the "The New York Times" title problem) ... do you have the same problem with The Wall Street Journal?
- awd (canoeist in th wild)
We have 2 problems with JSTOR. One is relating to google links program. Try this search http://scholar.google.com/scholar... , Google scholar refuses to show the findit link despite our holdings being correct. Example would be "The real self: From institution to impulse" I tried it with other 360link libraries ..same problem.
- aarontay
If you talking about proxy bookmarklet yeah JSTOR seems to be fixed..there was a period where they changed their syntax to "../discover/" that didnt work with the proxy you could login and redirect back, but you were stuck on a page without the link to pdf and we got complaints. I documented it, was even toying with writing complicated script to detect and handle such cases, but was recently fixed by jstor.
- aarontay
Just tried ieee and what do you know, it works also now! Had a big debate among the engineering librarians back then... Time to update my issues page for that case. There's one last issue i know of which regards to springerlink, where users click to try to access full text. Get an error page, then try to proxy...and it wont work but it works if they do it prior to reaching the error page. Going to be moot , since springerlink moved to their new host.
- aarontay
Why I Am Not at Internet Librarian 2012 | The Fourth Policeman - https://brucekrajewski.wordpress.com/2012...
Laura Norvig, John Fink, John Dupuis and OMG 404 Joe liked this
Remember this guy's entries from last year? Whew!
- laura x
from Bookmarklet
huh.
- ellbeecee
Reading his stuff from last year. It seems like perfectly ordinary critique to me... but then, I'm a notorious shit-disturber, so what do I know?
- RepoRat
I'm not sure I understand what he aims to accomplish with this post. Is it just a gripe against the mysterious JD?
- Running Slow
JD = Jane Dysart. I think he's protesting against an attempted silencing, and I'm all for such protest.
- RepoRat
(Gawd, I'm old. Reminds me of the Otter Group flareup way back in the day.)
- RepoRat
Makes sense then. I also looked back at his posts from last year and don't see why he should be silenced. It's an opinion and a critique.
- Running Slow
Imagine if ALA conference organizers went after people who critique those conferences.
- kaijsa
Heh. That's all they'd ever have time to do. I can't say if his critique is valid, not having went to IL. But it seems like getting bent out of shape isn't useful.
- Running Slow
Oh, this is the "Joe Murphy is shilling for Apple" guy. I remember him now.
- Andy
RISE UP WITH BLOG POSTS!
- Zamms
Not convinced he did get unduly "bent out of shape." IL ain't exactly a cheap conference.
- RepoRat
Who is DF?
- Andy
Yeah, I don;t think his critiques are off the mark, or that he's wrong to protest them publicly. Kinda dumb move to shame a blogger for blogging, really. Also, the inner circle at IL makes it a hard conference to love, session-wise. And the jamming together of too many sessions always makes the content less awesome than it could be. The people are awesome, but I think those are the reasons I love Lib tech Conf more...
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
CIL is part of the conference ennui I've been feeling the past year. I loved seeing people there socially, but for the expense (granted, Washington DC is silly expensive) it made it hard to justify. I may have been doing the conference sessions wrong as well since most of the eBook sessions I attended did not teach me anything new (and sometimes I knew more than the presenter). Perhaps...
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- Andy
I wasn't talking about him, RR. I was referring to the JD person. I agree with you on the expense, which is why it hasn't been one I've even considered. I'm also glad there are people out there who will give honest critiques of conferences they attend. It makes it easier when deciding which might be the best to invest in with rapidly shrinking PD budgets.
- Running Slow
Heheheheheheheheeheheheheheh. Heh.
- bevedog
Having just now returned from My Very First IL (albeit only a partial one) [an event at which !Gm/K! was speaking in the session after mine, and was in the front row at mine], I'm not gonna say a word here.
- Walt Crawford
(he is such a nice man in person. He really is. It was such a surprise!)
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Walt, why just limit yourself to 'a word' when you can use many?
- Andy
I'll put this out there: I have a problem when those on IL and CiL's "Organizing/Review Panel" have put themselves on the schedule up to five times. That being said, please note: I don't hate the players. Just the game.
- copystar
I'm probably going to sound like a crank, but this is an honest question. Is there a compelling reason to attend IL? Looking at the program, I don't see anything that innovative or exciting that is being talked about elsewhere; except for Walt's presentation because that's something new.
- Running Slow
I found that the compelling reason to attend IL the time I went was that I was presenting and that I got to hang out with a lot of my friends in the computer in real life and drink beer and also wander around Monterey. I sort of don't get the concept of going to conferences to learn things in formal sessions, because, really, I don't learn things by sitting in cavernous rooms and...
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- laura x
That makes sense. I guess I don't look at them that way because I suck at the social side of conferences unless it's a slightly more formal setting. How do you find people to hang out with if you don't really know anyone and everyone seems to be grouped already? I hate failing at that side of things because I know that the informal gatherings can be where really great things happen.
- Running Slow
Yeah, that's why I pretty much only go (or only went) to conferences where I already knew people. (I now have a 9 month old baby and a job that isn't very conferency, so I don't go to conferences anymore, though I may again someday.)
- laura x
Jill, I think you hit it on the head. IL used to be a great conference, great topics, intelligent speaking from different parts of libraryland coming together to talk about the radical potential of technology in the library. It's become more of an echo chamber. It's a great place to speak, and I like going for the lobbycon/great informal conversations with amazing, smart, people. But...
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- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I wasn't at CiL last year, where Jane tried to implement something I suggested (and probably many others): having an advanced track, for the speakers to engage the bigger issues and go deeper. How did that go? Were any of you there?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Andy: Because I don't really have coherent feelings and was only there for a day. (I don't much lobbycon and for sure not at Monterey prices, and the Sunday evening "gaming" thing put me in full introvert mode after half an hour...and, well, what Puck sez.)
- Walt Crawford
I would go to a conference planned by Baby X. Cheerios? Discuss. Measuring repetitive parent behavior in response to things dropped from high chair. Strategies for staying awake to keep mama company. The hermeneutics of car seats and the limits of state regulation. Or just hanging out.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
*dead* at "the hermeneutics of car seats and the limits of state regulation." FIGHT THE POWER.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Yeah. Especially since I just learned he has to be rear-facing till 18 months instead of till one year. Dammit.
- laura x
(threadjack) those car seat "rules" are crazy. One colleague told me she had to drop her kids off a black away from elementary school because her kids were tall and skinny and due to weight requirements they were still in toddler car seats. It never ends. Ms. 10 was in a booster chair until she was almost 9, I think. (/threadjack)
- Elizabeth Brown
<continuing threadjack> they just upped the rules in my state to make it so kids 8 years or younger have to be in carseats unless they are > 4'9" ... I've heard it's best to keep babies rear facing until 2yo but that didn't make it into the law this time </threadjack>
- Christina Pikas
I read the post too - why do we have so much drama in libraryland? Do we not get enough excitement elsewhere? Are we blinded by idealism? Not enough respect from our patrons? I'm serious, this is a real issue.
- Elizabeth Brown
I'm not sure the fact that the conference organizers clearly didn't like his posts is really "silencing"--he can continue to go and post if he wants to! As a a one-time humanities grad student, I really liked that at least someone was treating it as if it were MLA. I've been to IL twice--I like going because I get a way from the routine for a few days and hear about interesting things...
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- JffKrlsn
<continuing threadjack> Christina, it's best to keep babies rear facing until they outgrow the size limit of the car seat (usually 40-60 pounds, depending on the brand of the seat) and move into a big kid booster. In some European countries, Norway for example, kids rear face until at least age 4. Rear facing until they are much older is a big part of why Norway has such incredibly low...
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- Rochelle
"Not enough respect from our patrons?" or maybe: Not enough respect for ourselves & each other?
- awd (canoeist in th wild)
Ro... everyone except the driver, surely? ;)
- awd (canoeist in th wild)
awd, for certain! Until we get to the point of robot-driven cars... :)
- Rochelle
Inferiority complex.
- Meg V. Meg
Given the shrinking conference stipends and budgets, I'm not surprised that a conference organizer would be playing defense about their conference's image. I am in no way excusing such behavior (as it was reported on 4th Policeman), but when you have the same organizations competing over a smaller pile of money, it's bound to get a bit testy.
- Andy
And hey, look, there was followup by both Jane Dysart and the intrepid blogger: http://brucekrajewski.wordpress.com/2012...
- laura x
Reading something on the downsides of instructional screencasts just made me ponder instead creating step-by-step guides with each step consisting of text plus an animated gif. This strikes me as such a probably-terrible idea that I couldn't resist sharing.
i don't know about animated GIFs, but screencast + step by step text wouldn't be a bad thing, I think....
- ~Courtney F
Guide-on-the-Side!!
- Jen
There's a website that lets you create an interactive screencast and automatically creates a step-by-step text+screenshots off it, very niftily, except I can't remember what it's called. (I tested it for a bit but gave up when I found the output didn't work well with (our version of) IE. I don't like IE either, but a sizable proportion of our users still use it so couldn't justify creating something that wouldn't work for them.)
- Deborah Fitchett
I think you're talking about www.iorad.com . I agree, it's a nice idea, but I didn't like the output and lack of data portability...
- JffKrlsn
Yes, that's the one, thanks!
- Deborah Fitchett
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