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In the course of things, I came across a great assignment suggestion which indicated that Academic Search Premier had "cited reference" searching. Try as I might, I'm not finding it. I'm not even seeing linked citations, which I know are in other EBSCO databases. Am I missing something here? Have you done cited reference searching in ASP?
Yes, cited reference is kind of hidden, but you can get to it at the very top in the blue bar, next to the link to the Subject Terms. Some other EBSCO products have it, so the "choose databases" option is available there so you can search across databases if you want. - kaijsa
Also some journals are indexed and others (most?) aren't. So it's a cool feature but very limited, far from comprehensive. - JffKrlsn from Android
Also you can do things on the admin side to make it more visible. Left-hand limiter for "references available." Your users will have no idea what that means, of course. " - JffKrlsn from Android
Neat, I didn't know they had this. Although, when I try to get the citing articles, it says to "mark checkboxes and click Find Citing Articles" but there are no checkboxes to check. Anywhere. ETA: Oh wait, there are 3 checkboxes, in a list of 20 results. Puzzling. - Meg VMeg
Kajisa, thanks! I completely missed that link! I did notice, switching between EBSCO databases that the limit to include articles with references available is missing on ASP, I assumed that was what I was looking for. Meg, I wonder if the checkbox is only there for articles FT is ASP? All the cited references I'm looking at right now have our find it link, and no check boxed/ - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
The assignment that referred to this has them compare cited reference searching in Web of Science, Google Scholar, and ASP. I think ASP isn't a great for this, the cited reference search is too hidden, specific, and non-intuituve for this. But now I'm wondering if there is a good third database to use in an exercise like this? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
SciFinder Scholar, HeinOnline, and IEEE Xplore do this. PubMed sort of does, but it's worse than EBSCO. Some of the full-text collections do, but you'll likely grab that content anyway, for example Science Direct in Web of Science. I guess it depends on the discipline area(s) you're working with. - kaijsa
Scopus, if you have Scopus. - Meg VMeg
The big 3 are GS, Scopus and Wos, Then pubmed I think. I remember there used to be this great libguides or article that covered a ton of databases that could do cited references. Anyway the top 3 in this libguides search is pretty good - aaron
AddThis is used in EBSCOhost. Meet the Online Tracking Device That is Virtually Impossible to Block @EBSCO
AddThis is used in EBSCOhost. Meet the Online Tracking Device That is Virtually Impossible to Block @EBSCO
We have AddThis in a number of different library locations, and on some of my blogs. I doubt any of these are popular enough for AddThis to have use the finderprinting, but I might recommend that we stop using AddThis. There are alternatives. - Joe
As usual, it's difficult to understand just how real the privacy threat is... - JffKrlsn
Stephen Francoeur
Can you click this link for what I hope is a stable URL for my search in our not-yet-launched instance of Primo and let me know if you are seeing the results for a search for "turtles?" Thanks....
seems to have worked for me - lris
Great! Thnx. - Stephen Francoeur
Yep, looks good. - Steele Lawman
turtles all the way down! - RepoRat
^ - Marie
all turtles. - Lnorigb
Awww, no pics. Just turtles. - Alix May
...Okay, so how did you do that? - Deborah Fitchett
Do what? Get a stable URL for the search? I just copied the one in the address bar. If I'm not mistaken, in most discovery services this works. - Stephen Francoeur
Ours is defigured by a session id. (Bloody session ids.) Seems to work in the short term, will see if the session timeout breaks it. Extracting the session id from it works fine too of course, just harder to explain to lecturers. - Deborah Fitchett
Deborah, are you talking about Summon at your library? http://lincolnnz.summon.serial... - Stephen Francoeur
No, about our own not-yet-launched Primo: http://primo-direct-apac.hoste... ...Which now does a search for me without session id. What? I swear it was there before. - Deborah Fitchett
Are you guys switching from Summon? I think one of the discovery services that don't have stable URL is EDS. very annoying. - aaron
EDS is same as all other EBSCOhost: permalinks are available but copying url from address bar doesn't work - JffKrlsn from Android
Yes really annoying, I always forget. - aaron
Yeah we're migrating from Voyager/Summon to Alma/Primo. - Deborah Fitchett
We're sticking with our ILS, Ex Libris Aleph, but are dropping Summon locally (later on) and picking up Primo consortially. While other schools in our consortium (the City University of New York) may provide Primo fairly quickly, we're going to keep going with Summon for a while until the Primo instance is as good (in terns of UX) as our Summon v1 instance is. - Stephen Francoeur
Turtles on Arrested Development! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
One of the reasons why I use turtles as my default search term is my sister, who helps keep the little fellers out of harm's way at JFK. - Stephen Francoeur
Is anyone holding off on migrating to the LibGuides v2 because it's "too beta"? (Rather than because e.g. it's a big job that requires extra care.) I was planning on just doing it, and now getting a little worried that so much is not quite there yet...
We're migrating tomorrow. I guess we'll see how that goes. - kaijsa
How about both reasons you mention? - aaron
Our content was migrated at the end of June. We're scheduled (by us) to go live August 1. I haven't heard that it's too beta from my coworkers, but I might when we meet about it next week. - ~Courtney F
it's definitely too beta (I'd say still a wee bit alpha). We migrated in June, not sure when we're going live - because some essential components aren't built or ready yet. My Springshare love is pretty tainted by the way this rolled. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I'm holding off until the end of the year, partly because I'd like the dust to settle on the new platform first and partly because I want to use these intervening months as a time for us to clean up the guides on the current platform in advance of the migration. The longer we can spend on the latter, the better off we'll be. In other words, the migration is giving us a convenient excuse to do the kind of clean up work we should have been doing all along. - Stephen Francoeur
Our guides are still fairly small in number and only a few librarians are even creating them right now--I like the idea of switching over asap so as not to have to train folks twice... just now getting cold feet from the stuff I'm seeing (and in some cases, reporting) in their Ning (!) community. - JffKrlsn
Springshare's has a Ning community? - aaron from YouFeed is Ning, isn't it? - JffKrlsn from Android
Oh.. Right. - aaron
Trialing browzine again for the second time, since they are now supporting aggregators like ebsco, proquest and Ovid. Any of you who have this for a while? How are users taking it? I got the impression it's quite well received on the medical side.
We're looking at it again, too. People are more impressed this time, and the pricing is more sensible. - Holly's favorite Anna
one of my faculty members LOVES it & she tells me that every time she sees me. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I think we are finally getting it - maʀtha
We had a trial for a couple of months, had moderate use (good for a trial really), and just subscribed for a year. We'll see how it goes. - Galadriel C. from Android
We are several months into our first year. I haven't really heard any feedback other than excitement when I tell people about it. I'll take a look at stats tomorrow. - ~Courtney F
So we're about 6 months in. It's an interesting mix of titles that are being used. We've had less than 100 sessions, but almost 1000 TOC views and a good number of full text downloads. (also, entirely iOS) - ~Courtney F
Meaning that it only works on iOS, right? That's what it seems like from their site, anyway... Hard to stomach. - JffKrlsn
Jeff There's a android version. I am trialling it on a Nexus 7 (2013). It's less polished compared to the iOS one but workable. I could be wrong but the pricing model charges seperately for iOS and Android. - aaron
Aaron is correct - right now it's tablet only, both Android and iOS. They are going to release an iPhone version soon, and then an Android phone version. The pricing model did charge separately when we started our subscription (we have both), but they may have changed that. - ~Courtney F
They have changed it. There's now a single price based on fte that's platform independent. - DJF from Android
iPhone version is already out. I adore Browzine. Keeps getting better. - Julie Kane from iPhone
I think it's a great app -- MPOW is launching it in the Fall. My only complaint is that a lot of humanities sources are missing, I think because smaller publishers have a harder time getting their feeds up-to-snuff and/or included. Our tech services staff showed me where you can request inclusion of new publishers: - Regular Amanda
Seems like everyone has only good words for browzine. How is the speed of loading of pdfs on your side? Feels a bit slow here.. can be maybe 10-15s - aaron
Yep, the only complaints I've gotten are about the small selection of titles available. No gripes about Android, either, but I rarely see a non-iOS tablet on this campus. I don't think ours has gotten a huge push, and I work with mostly humanities and cultural studies faculty so haven't promoted it aggressively. The people who've tried it seem to love it. - kaijsa
Catherine Pellegrino
I have never bothered to set an "out of office" email autoresponder thinger. Should I?
Honestly, I never do. Only if I'm going to be out more than a week with scanty email access. - RepoRat
Since I don't have off-site email access (I've chosen not to learn how), I set it when I know I'll the out for more than a day. The one time I forgot, my director emailed me about something and eventually went to my boss when she didn't get a response. - Katie
i always do, but a MPOW there's a global rule so it never goes outside of the firewall. otherwise i might not for fear of listserv hell.eta: it's difficult for me to check my work e-mail from away as it requires 2-factor authentication and i've also set the expectation of quick responses. - Christina Pikas
I started setting it (and changing my voicemail message) after the first time I was out of town and a faculty member left 3 voicemails, emailed twice, and called my officemate (who told him I was out of town). It seemed like an unnecessary level of panic that was pretty easy to avoid. Also it helps me not check my email on vacation. I only do it for extended vacations though - not for being sick or taking an extra day off here or there. - Marianne
Hm. Okay, maybe I'll look into setting one for my upcoming week of vacation. I've just never set one before, for any length of time, and never had it come back to bite me. And frankly, I find them annoying as heck, but I guess I can see the purpose. - Catherine Pellegrino
I do, but all my lists go to a gmail acct, and that doesn't get one. But it's a courtesy, since I'd rather students/faculty get one if they contact me with a question and know they can go to someone else if it's urgent. - ellbeecee from Android
I find them annoying when I already know the person is gone (like a direct co-worker) but helpful in other circumstances. Also, we were pretty much told "do it" so I do it. I always include contact information for the reference desk in my email and voicemail messages when I know I'm going to be out for more than a day or two and don't want to be checking email while I'm out. - lris
yes, for the reasons above. especially what Christina said about my having set an expectation of a quick response. if I know I'm not going to check email, I set the out of office thingie. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Good point about the contact info, Iris, I do that too (esp. since there are two major sets of things people are likely to be urgently contacting me about, with two different sets of people they should talk to if I am not here). - Marianne
Yeah, the contact info thing is tricky for me in this instance, since neither reference nor circulation is what you might precisely call "staffed" in the summer, but we make do. - Catherine Pellegrino
I should have set one while I was on maternity leave but forgot. Doh. I do it only if I'm really not going to be checking my email. - laura x
I don't...but I also typically check my email even when I'm off/out of the office....primarily because I'm insane. And also it keeps other people out of things they don't need to be involved in - Sir Shuping is just sir
I set one for longer than 1 day out of office. Ours allow for responses only to direct emails--so listservs shouldn't get spammed (I hope). It's pretty common in our campus culture and helps me manage expectations of response. We had wireless at ALA but I didn't have brain capacity for a couple of hours of email at night, so...out of office and I just cleaned things out yesterday. - Hedgehog
I used to but don't now unless it is overseas where I have limited email access.The manage expectation part is why I am considering adding it back in, even though I do (typo) check my email when on leave. - aaron
If you do it, for God's sake refrain from emailing people when it's active. So irritating to reply to an email and get an out-of-office message. - JffKrlsn from Android
At MPOW I don't have access to email offsite (and, in fact, I don't want to) so I set an out of office message identifying who can help while I'm away. Principals in my lab know how to contact me when I'm offsite (another email address which I can get to from offsite) for something urgent+important. - henry
hijack: Does anybody else get people posting direct research/tech questions to your social media accounts when they know you're out of office? Because I am, and I'm trying to be nice while telling my friends to back up. (I do set out of office messages because our AUL asks us to and for reasons identical to Iris's above.) - kaijsa
I set my out-of-office email message for times when I'm not going to reply to office email. That way when someone needs something immediately they know know not to wait for me to respond. I usually only do this when I'm going to be out of town. - John: Thread Killer
Stephen Francoeur
The problem with threshold concepts via @instapaper
The problem with threshold concepts via @instapaper
Interesting post. - JffKrlsn from Android
Y'all with Primo or similar discovery layers: Have you noticed any difficulties with linking from metadata supplied by Gale? Am trying to decide whether I've got confirmation bias. Seem to be seeing lots of issues with them having odd parentheticals at end of titles, making EBSCO and other FT suppliers unable to find the articles in question.
An example: After the bomb; Mayor Goode blasts his aides. (W.Wilson Goode, Philadelphia). From a 1985 issue of Time. It works well enough to know that we have it (so it isn't a link resolver issue) but when I click the link to pull the full text into the discovery layer, it comes back as no result in EBSCO until I delete the parenthetical. - Kirsten
Yes. I experimented with adding Academic OneFile metadata to our EDS, since we have a certain amount of the FT in LexisNexis Academic, and it was a disaster for exactly the reason you list: the extra stuff at the end of the title. - JffKrlsn
Yes! Because ProQuest and EBSCO aren't fully cooperating with our discovery vendor, Gale results are common and the metadata is extremely problematic. - Jen
Yes, this absolutely the case. - Zamms
I have noticed trouble with Gale in SFX, too. - Meg VMeg
Gale is a aggregator, their metadata will tend to be different/problematic. - aaron
It's not that simple, Aaron. We've got metadata from other aggregators active in our index and they aren't causing the systematic issues that Gale is. I haven't noticed the SFX issue, though, Meg. How is that manifesting? And to the rest of you, many thanks for the affirmations! I've got lots of examples and so will submit a ticket on this. - Kirsten
I've noticed it. Similar issues in Summon because Gale provides deeper indexing (down to a reference of a drug announcement in a larger article container, for example) than what a journal indexer like EBSCO would do, so OpenURL doesn't work well. - Holly's favorite Anna
I can't speak to the technical whys and wherefores of Gale and SFX, but Meg's experience precisely mirrors ours. It's legendary around here: all the librarians know never to click an SFX link to a Gale database because 9 times out of 10, the Gale database doesn't actually have the article in full text. We're almost at the point of suppressing all Gale results in SFX because of this. - Catherine Pellegrino
We did suppress Gale in summon/sfx results because of this. (Interested to see it's Gale not all reference sources that are problematic, will have to think on it). - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
very unofficially - as a user only -- I concur with what Catherine said. But I have no vote on whether or not to suppress. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Hmm. I haven't noticed the SFX issue, but we only activate databases for which we have full text access in there, and we don't have all that much Gale stuff. But if this is a known issue with Gale metadata, then I don't see Ex Libris being able to do anything about it. Will likely submit the ticket anyway. - Kirsten
Reporting to Ex Libris does make it possible for them, over time, to approach Gale saying "hey, we have mutual customers who aren't having a good experience - can we work on this?" (I make no promises that Ex Libris will do this. But, feedback from customers is pretty key to being able to make the case that it is a problem... - Lisa Hinchliffe
Good point, Lisa! - Kirsten
There's a reason why I ranked Gale as low as it can be in 360link when we first started with Summon and 360link. The points made above by various people are exactly why. For sure, we have experienced examples where Gale coverage list would state they have full text of a certain range, but they actually don't upon enquiring. The nature of the material in gale databases like Academic... more... - aaron
We had a good experience working with Ex Libris and with Gale on these types of issues, so I would recommending contacting both sides about this. - Zamms
Aaron the Librarian
Last stages of design and layout for our LibGuides v2 beta site...
What's missing that you would expect to find on a university library's homepage? Any other feedback also welcome, please. - Aaron the Librarian
yes, some links aren't linked yet - still on design & layout - Aaron the Librarian
When search is there and library hours are there, I don't think anything crucial is missing... looks good. One thing, I'm hiding that "scroll up" widget thingy in our v2 until I see some evidence that it is at all necessary. - JffKrlsn
Aaron the Librarian
Double checking myself before answering an easy copyright question: reproducing an image from a 1917 newspaper is fine because public domain. Right?
In the U.S., yep. - lris
Addendum, reproducing a reproduction may not be fine. But reproducing the thing itself: totally public domain. - lris
Reproducing a reproduction ("slavish copy") is also fine. Though many museums commit copyfraud on this point. - JffKrlsn from Android
Except if the reproduction is governed by a license agreement, as is pretty much all digital content. License trumps copyright. - lris
If there is a license agreement in the way, it would be slavishly reproducing a reproduction anyway ;) Thanks for the addendum, I think that's what was poking me that I couldn't think of - Aaron the Librarian from Android
To clarify, while contracts do generally trump copyright, not every contract is valid, and you may not actually be a party to the contract. A museum can post reproductions of public domain art on its website and say, "By using this website, you agree that if you use these images you will include x information". But that is likely not a valid, enforceable contract. The reproduction... more... - JffKrlsn
Turns out this was the author creating/saving a TIFF of a political cartoon from a physical microfilm copy of a local newspaper from 1917. So, totally public domain. My response above Jeff's was meant in jest about a digital microfilm copy downloaded and cropped from a licensed archival database :) - Aaron the Librarian
Aaron the Librarian
Innovative Interfaces acquires VTLS Huh, how about that.
imho VTLS has had some of the most forward-thinking apporaches and products over the years... basically VTLS is/was the Cadillac of ILSes - Aaron the Librarian
So with the acquisition of Polaris and VTLS should we expect the best damn ILS ever from III in the next few years? - ♫Jorge Covert, Trainer♫
Or the demise of polaris and VTLS product lines, replaced by ... [insert adjective] [inset noun] - Aaron the Librarian
We just got off of VTLS before going to WMS. Uh, Cadillac? Maybe we were doing it wrong? Our Virtua was horrific. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Pricing seemed expensive, never worked with it but it sounded good? - Aaron the Librarian from Android
Maybe "Cadillac" is not the most stable of metaphors - JffKrlsn
He meant Lexus but he ain't know it. - Steele Lawman
Aaron, I heard virtua called vapor ware today... - ~Courtney F
Maybe an early 1980's Cadillac then? Those were horrific :) - Aaron the Librarian
So this one will be like buying the Red Car for the sole purpose of dismantling it so that a new freeway can be built? - Julian
Mommy's going to the beauty parlor, darling, but I'm leaving you with your favorite friend, Roger. He's going to take very, very good care of you, because if he doesn't... HE'S GOING BACK TO THE SCIENCE LAB. - Aaron the Librarian
VTLS still exists? - Holly's favorite Anna
Not for long? - Julian
Joe Hardy
do you use pro-active chat boxes. We just got the ability to implement it and are considering how to approach a pilot study (This is where the user sees a popup chat box if there is a period of inactivity on a web page asking them if they need help)
So, I haven't worked in a library in almost 4 years (wow) so feel free to take my opinion with a grain of salt - but as a user, I've always found those a little creepy. - Laura
I'm with Laura. I do not like them. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Speaking as a patron of a library or a customer of online firms: Creepy. - Walt Crawford
Haha. I missed that post. Thanks! - Joe Hardy from Android
I'm fascinated by all of you finding this creepy. I love them on a commercial site. Though, phrasing is important - not "hey looks like you need help" but "would you like to chat with a customer service rep" ... it only annoys me if I click to chat and then they aren't right online and I have to wait. - Lisa Hinchliffe
When asked about popup chat in general a student first said creepy. When explained how, where, and why the same student said "that sounds useful" - Joe Hardy from Android
Personally, when they pop up on sites, I close the tab immediately. - Meg VMeg
I'd rather have the ability for the chat box to be a tab on the side of the page and I can click on it if i need it. Ones that pup up with out me taking action are just creepy - Sir Shuping is just sir
The student's visceral, immediate reaction was "it's creepy." When you explained, you activated the rational side of his brain and he said "oh that sounds good". So you just have to make sure people are in the right frame of mind, and that they know what you are trying to do, when they see it. And you can control that. - JffKrlsn
Oh, is that all? :P - Meg VMeg
"And you can control that." Or at least you'd like to *think* you can control the frame of mind people are in... - Walt Crawford
I'm with Meg--random pop up chat boxes get tabs immediately closed. Visible boxes where I can ask for help? Sure...forced help? No thanks. I have lots of tabs open at any time, my being inactive just means I'm probably doing something on another tab. - Hedgehog
Yeah I was being facetious about our ability to control our users, in case that wasn't totally clear... - JffKrlsn
Sorry. Not real swift today. There are those who believe they *can* put their users in a given frame of mind... - Walt Crawford
Playing around with "proactive" chat widgets (invite to chat popups after x seconds on page) - supposedly a study shows it increases engagement.
Trying to figure out where and how soon for it to popup.. could be annoying if not done properly right? Thinking of adding it to select libguides. Maybe study average time on page from Google analytics. I doubt we would want to put in on the main home page! Other ideas, FAQs, Findmore/catalogue? - aaron
This is awesome - I want to do this in our local search/recommender system (EasySearch) - e.g., after you execute the same search twice, after you click into and then back on your third result set, etc. But, after x seconds would be a great start. Definitely in the catalog if you can! - Lisa Hinchliffe
I find it creepy. And when a commerical site hits me like that, unless I have real need to stay, I leave the site. Aaron, what study did you see that shows increased enagement? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Their blogpost cites I find it a bit creepy too but a longer delay might be less so - eg the 3 minutes that the blogpost says the study says was effective. Dunno. We'll talk about it at mpow at some point and think about it... - Deborah Fitchett
I think a lot of thought has to go into how the system "greets" the person. Avoid everything like "we notice you were" and go for "would you like to talk to a library staff member" .... - Lisa Hinchliffe
ack... if you need to do this, make sure to include a cookie that allows the user to say they never want to see it again. (Come to think of it, maybe I should be allowing people to opt out of seeing our non-proactive chat widget in EBSCO!) - JffKrlsn
Hmm, LibraryH3lp's default code doesn't seem to do that but I might stare at the javascript and see if I could hack it. In any case I think it's also important to choose which pages it should go on. If they're on an FAQ page already then they're more disposed to wanting help, I think; whereas if they're reading an article or long blog post then they won't want to be interrupted. - Deborah Fitchett
Definitely you should choose the right pages. I am looking at our main libguide page. That page Is extremely complicated because it links to almost every service, resource we have and in the past I notice quite a lot of people would either just drop off that page (high bounce rate), or within 10s use the passive chat box. I am going to try to put the proactive chat there and see. GA... more... - aaron
Favorite databases-by-category pages from library websites?
*crickets* - Marie
That is your favorite category? - Joe
Maybe not a very loved genre. - JffKrlsn
I'm in a fight over ours. - kaijsa
I don't like my parent institution's but I suppose they're functional: - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I've given up on the fight to even have one! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
We're getting new ones this summer. The prototypes are pretty. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
Can you link to the prototypes, or take a screenshot? - JffKrlsn
laura x
Oh look, it's another one of those white supremacist tracts thrown into Academic Search Elite (see
Lovely. My tax dollars at work. (Yeah, I know, censorship yada yada.... but I don't like crappy publications being supported with money from libraries who just say "whatever, we'll take whatever you got; we like big numbers of full text titlesl." That goes for just generally low-quality "scholarly" journals, too.) - barbara fister
"Notes: This title is not held locally." - Steele Lawman
Yes. That actually kind of means nothing. Well, it usually means we don't have a print copy, but it doesn't always mean there's no electronic access. Once in awhile I try to figure it out and then I give up. - laura x
Great Neck Publishing. EBSCO has loads of titles from them. Seems to be a serious metadata fail here--EBSCO document type is "historical material" but date is 2009. - JffKrlsn from Android
it's the ideology that EBSCO is wishful-thinking to be "historical" - Steele Lawman
I dug up this old thread (thank you, FF search!) because I wanted to use one or the other of these examples in a presentation for faculty in a few weeks, and discovered some interesting things: first, we have Academic Search Premier, which I have always understood to be a subset of AS Complete and a superset of AS Elite, but we have neither American Renaissance (as per Carol's comment... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
And then second, CUFTS helpfully told me that American Renaissance is indexed (with full text) from 2006 through 2011 in ProQuest Ethnic Newswatch, which I find marvelously ironic. - Catherine Pellegrino
I just checked in SFX and the only places it's listed are two PQ databases (Alt Press Watch is the other, but both through 2012). And Ulrichs lists it as ceased. So yeah, looks like EBSCO yanked it entirely and it's gone out of business. - Kirsten
Oh, hey, this may be the first time I've ever done a little dance of celebration around a ceased journal. :) (another LSW thread on the topic here has more details: I'm still looking for an example -- beyond the obvious Time, Newsweek, People, etc. -- of "crap you don't want students citing, right here in <strikethrough>River City</strikethrough> our databases!" Any suggestions? - Catherine Pellegrino
Proquest has Seattle's The Stranger. - DJF from Android
informal poll time- library web folk, do you do reference desk, instruction or collection work as well as web duties? #fb
Our Systems librarians all do one shift per week at a service point (either ref desk or govdocs desk) and collection development. Only R&I librarians do classroom instruction. - Kirsten
Our web dude does reference time, circ time, and collection for his liaison area. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Yes to all of the above. I do 2 hrs/wk on the desk, instruction as needed for first year classes, and am the liaison to the Education dept (with instruction & collection work there) - ~Courtney F
Yes. (Community college--with a couple exceptions, everyone does those three things.) - JffKrlsn
awesome - thanks all! - weelibrarian
Walt Crawford
For fans of misdefined Gold OA: I think this is the *first* publisher on Beall's list (442 out of 504 alphabetically) who provides an accurate description of Gold OA rather than simply saying "Author pays charges."
Now, if only it weren't an "Ottowa" company with just enough wording, not on this page (probably mostly copped from Suber), that sounds like English-as-a-second-language to make me doubt that. - Walt Crawford
Walt, I'm unable to click the links at your Beall post, -- is it just me? I tried from inside Chrome and using Acrobat. - JffKrlsn
JffK: I've posted about this issue, which has to do with the (ahem) limited financial support I get for C&I (since I have no other reasons to upgrade certain software). If you're reading it online or from an edevice, which is what you should be doing if you're following links, you should be using the one-column version (in this case,, and that version *does* have working links (for recent issues). - Walt Crawford
ok thanks, that works. - JffKrlsn
Catherine Pellegrino
Lazyacademiclibrarian straw poll: those of you at campuses that have gone with Google Apps for Education for your students and/or faculty and/or staff: do your Google accounts have access to Google Sites, or not?
Nope. - RepoRat
students have Gmail, and nope, my Gmail can't access Google Sites. - ~Courtney F
yes - lris
Yes (I don't use them tho) - Hedgehog
Yes. - JffKrlsn
Yes - Meg VMeg
Innnnnnnteresting. For those of you who answered "yes," do students have access to Sites, or just faculty/staff? For those of you who answered "no," do you know why not? - Catherine Pellegrino
nope, and nope. - kendrak
Students also have access: "Admitted and enrolled degree students, current and retired employees, alumni, and sponsored affiliates" - Meg VMeg
Yes, here students can create and otherwise use sites. - JffKrlsn from Android
Here we go again, yet another attempt to convince that the search tab on the main library page should *replace* with results not open a new window... Sigh...
Open in a new tab instead? ;) - Aaron the Librarian
I'm confused. Do you think results should be in a new window/tab or do you think that search results should be in same tab as page from which the search was run? In my experience, users find it confusing and annoying when the results are on a different page (Google and Amazon, two places that probably create the platonic ideal of searching in our users' minds don't put results in a separate tab or window, so why should our search tools be any different?) - Stephen Francoeur
In the same tab it came from of course is what I want. Yes as I feared, I got back a response with a terse it is "current policy". Never mind, one of our focus groups specifically pointed this out as a pet peeve. Never mind our own librarians periodically get confused because they accidentally go back to the original library homepage, enter search term again, click enter repeatedly. not realising the results are replaced in the already existing new tab/window... - aaron
Don't even talk about Google, a quick look at other library homepages with Summon and the tabbed search box design, so far none I've seen open new window/tab.. But yeah.... they are all wrong, after all Libraries are lousy at UX, is good we not following the crowd . :P - aaron
Much sympathy to you. I've butted against those same stubborn opinions, too. - Stephen Francoeur
If you can't persuade them of the larger issue, you could at least ask them to remove the "win" from the following string:,"win","toolbar=1,menubar=1,scrollbars=1,resizable=1,location=1,status=1,directories=1"); Doing that should stop the behavior you describe where new results appear on an already open but unfocused tab. - JffKrlsn
Is a opportunistic push to change this (we discovered there's some weird issue for Summon 2.0 urls with IE 10 opening in new windows) but right now the thinking is to do a complicated workaround, first opening a dummy new window before directing the search! Just to preserve the "policy"... The behavior is all cross the board depending on browser sigh... - aaron
But really, why do people want to open in new window? Do they really think is better for users? Or do they think it will ensure higher views of the library homepage? Or some technical issue I am unaware of? - aaron
I would guess it makes logical sense that links leading to outside resources would open in a new window, since the main site's "chrome"/navigation are no longer available. That would be logical and consistent. But whether it actually helps users and is what they want is a totally separate consideration and not one that people in charge tend to consider. Our college has a new website... more... - JffKrlsn
interesting pt. our university site doesn't do that. but your point abt navigation would imply if we stuck in the same header/menu in search systems, libguides etc we shouldn't open in new windows? - aaron from BuddyFeed
Stephen Francoeur
Digging into stats from our collection of LibGuides. Here's a choice nugget to discuss: of the 7482 links on our guides, 63% of them were never clicked on in 2013. Lessons learned?
People are not eating from the trough of the library linkfarms. - Joe
can you characterize links that were clicked on vs. links that weren't? or is that analysis ongoing? - RepoRat
Are the guides to linkfarmy, not specific enough? I've inherited a few guides I still haven't tackled, because they are simply too massively linkfarmy for me to even think about. I'll have to look and see if the course guides I build get clicked enough though! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I'm curious about RR's question as well. I'm wondering how placement comes into it - at the guide / page / box level. (In other words, were unclicked links not clicked because that guide wasn't very prominent on the home page, or because they were on the fourth or fifth tab of the guide, or because they were the fourth or fifth link in a box, etc...) - Laura
this could turn into a worthwhile article for EBLIP: I would read the hell out of it. - RepoRat
I'm not sure I have the brainpower to answer all your good questions. I'm dipping into the stats and probably won't do much more than share that one stat with my colleagues. Eyeballing the list of what's at the top, middle, and bottom of the list of links as ranked by clicks, I'd say that database links get the most clickage, then links to guides that are collections of subject-specific... more... - Stephen Francoeur
Laura's question about how link placement affects use is a good one that I don't even know how I'd begin to analyze (there are nearly 8000 links). - Stephen Francoeur
Up next in my quickie analysis: what kinds of things do people type into our site search. Sneak preview: it ain't pretty. - Stephen Francoeur
loooooooool it never, ever is. - RepoRat
8 ways to type JSTOR in site search: jstar, jstor, Jstor, JSTOR, Jstor database, jstore, jstorr, jstors - Stephen Francoeur
Interesting, [in the most recent 7 days] 216 links clicked at least 1 time out of our ~3890 links at MPOW's LGs. [ETA: only 12 links clicked more than 100 times in last 7 days] - Aaron the Librarian
Aaron, it's always going to be a long tail when you view usage stats (page views, links clicked on it, etc.). Try looking back at 1 year of data to get a more complete picture. - Stephen Francoeur
yup, that's what I'm running right now :) - Aaron the Librarian
Year to Date: 46,229 clicks on 3,886 links. ~900 links (of the 3,886) were clicked at least once leaving ~2,000 superfluous links (many apparently from subject guides and library-process guides) ETA[clarification: the superfluous links were form subject guides and from library-process guides) - Aaron the Librarian
students don't remember that we've told them we made a page for them!!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I suspect some of them do remember, though, and what they see isn't all that compelling. - Stephen Francoeur
Be interesting to compare this to results from Guide on the Side. I guess the only methodologically-correct way is pairing peer libraries? - RepoRat
I studied the searches in libguides a while back. decided to just switch the default to summon search since besides the numerous database names people would just enter very specific keywords with zero results. but maybe we just don't have enough content ? may revisit this decision, - aaron from BuddyFeed
Ooooh this is all very interesting! Now I'm very keen to run some stats also. - Fiona Jones
Quick test of ours, 11,261 out of 14,409 have zero clicks in 2013. That's 78%! - aaron
Guess is timely to start studying all this data for revamp due to Libguides 2.... Must admit use of libguides here was never very considered as I focused more on the LibAnswers platforms. - aaron
I am deeply interested in this. Are you talking about links outside of paid resources? When we redid our publib website, I insisted that we get rid of curated link lists because it was apparent that mostly, no one cared. I'm curious to see if that results in higher e-resource stats. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Aaron, a look at search queries in our LibGuides system is on my to-do list this week as well. I suspect that it is as consistently misused as the site search on the library website. Rochelle, I'm talking about all links on our LibGuides, the vast majority of which are to free resources on the web (but it's the database links that get the most clicks by a hugemongous margin). - Stephen Francoeur
It would be interesting to consider whether there is some causal connection between the number of links per guide and the percentage of links that get clicked. Common sense says yes but evidence and careful analysis would be better way of knowing. - Stephen Francoeur
Stephen my impression is that the search in libguide is used as a site search and/or article/book/database search. One of those bento style searches that is currently in vogue would serve best. I would argue if someone is searching for a specific database they heard about, searching libguides for it would be extremely inefficient due to number of clicks to get to it. - aaron
I hide the libguides search box in ours. Don't really see a use case for it. - JffKrlsn from Android
Jeff, I tried that a few years ago and got pushback from my colleagues. I hope to revisit it again, this time armed with data from query logs that show how the search box is misused by the majority of searchers. - Stephen Francoeur
I just realized that the number of links I mentioned at the start of this thread, 7482, includes links not just from published guides (i.e., those that are fully visible on your LibGuides site) but also those from your private guides (those that are available only if you have the direct URL to it) and those from unpublished guides. I don't see an easy way to run a report on links that... more... - Stephen Francoeur
Stephen Francoeur
My reactions to the EBSCO announcement that it will "share" records with other discovery services.
From the page about partnership terms: "c.) The discovery result record that comes from a database must also identify that source database in the full record, and include any copyright statements as required by the content provider." My reaction: So records in Summon that came from an EBSCO database have to mention the database name? Not cool. - Stephen Francoeur
From the page listing databases whose records will be shared: My reaction: Where is CINAHL? - Stephen Francoeur
From the main announcement page: "III. The only EBSCO research databases that are not yet included in the above policy are those resources that are built upon and subscribed to primarily for their subject indexing. EBSCO believes very strongly in the need for precision in search – a need that becomes even more paramount within discovery... more... - Stephen Francoeur
Indeed re CINAHL - maʀtha
“We’ll share but sometimes we won’t.” - A lesson learned from Harvard Business Review, perhaps? - Zamms
We will share to the point that it makes us look good, but only up to that point. - Joe
EBSCO and EDS has always been database centric, so mentioning the database name is not surprising, in fact many librarians would like that - Summon 2.0 lists things like Scopus, Web of Science, PILOT etc anyway now, those count as databases I think? The one thing that may be problematic is the demand not to merge records from EDS into other records. And yes CINAHL is glaringly missing... - aaron
The other thing they're saying: sometimes we work hard at subject indexing, and sometimes we don't. (This doesn't surprise me--they generally treat CINAHL differently from their other databases.) - JffKrlsn
What is really ironic, though, in demanding that the source database be recognized: recently EBSCO stopped listing the database in EDS records not only when the source is one of the "foundation" EDS indexes, but also when the source is one of the Academic Search databases. (There was much protest against this on the EDS listserv.) So it is critical that other discovery services credit Academic Search, but not critical for EBSCO to do so... - JffKrlsn
Fascinating.. Does this mean you can't filter by source to that? Any reason given why? - aaron
Correct, can't filter to the base indexes, or to Academic Search Premier/Complete, or, strangely, to Psychology & Behavioral Sciences Collection. Yes, they gave a reason. I'll quote instead of paraphrasing: "With regard to Academic Search, because EDS is essentially the largest "multidisciplinary index" in the world (which includes the full text of Academic Search for subscribing... more... - JffKrlsn
Hmm. Kinda makes sense to me. But seems too much trouble to bother to remove on purpose. I havent used EDS much, so I am not sure how useful filtering by source database really is. - aaron
I posted something saying it seemed odd that they were saying Academic Search is replaced by EDS when they make such a big deal about their high-quality metadata, but much of the metadata in EDS is not under EBSCO's control... In some ways I agree, there's logic in it, and I generally recommend EDS over Academic Search Complete. - JffKrlsn
Today, on a somewhat related topic: "Asked whether Ebsco favors its own content in the results generated by its search tool, Sam Brooks, executive vice president for sales and marketing, dismissed the idea as "competitor-driven propaganda." He added, "There’s no truth to that whatsoever." Bias toward a content provider, he says, "would be commercial suicide for any discovery vendor." - See more at:" - maʀtha
Ex Libris has now offered a statement. Here's a snippet from the email from Shlomi Kringel (VP Discovery and Delivery Solutions) I found on the SFX mailing list today: "While we welcome the new EBSCO approach to sharing and collaboration and look forward to a real change, we are concerned by the fact that EBSCO only selectively complies with the above industry standards and that only... more... - Stephen Francoeur
This guy's zotero-fed website is pretty slick:
He's using Simile/Exhibit. Easy-to-make faceted interfaces, or so I've been told, never having actually jumped in and tried to make one... - JffKrlsn
Query, anyone has gotten to LibGuides v2 to play with yet?
No :( - lris
Last I heard, it might be several months before our beta comes. - lris
No. Sort of a relief, as we're in the middle of a site redesign and not sure I'd have time to migrate. - JffKrlsn from Android
Nope. It does pretty much eliminate the problem of "are we going to upgrade in the middle of the semester?" - Rebecca Hedreen
We've got ours, but no one has had time to look at it yet. - Freeda B.
No, we asked for it but are still waiting. - kaijsa
What would it do for us again? #lazylibrarian - maʀtha
Yes, but like Freeda, I haven't had a chance to play with it yet - kristin buxton
Okay, so some libraries do have theirs already. That's what I wanted to know. Ours is going to be quite late too I suspect, since we are a relatively new account. The lack of a estimated rollout date makes it really hard to plan for us, hoping for Aug rollout... too optimistic? - aaron
We have it (we were one of their first customers and are also one of their biggest users as indicated by # of guides in system). We will be starting to plan our migration next week - either migrating in late March or mid-May is my thinking right now. Somewhat depends on how many policies we have to re-consider in light of new tech options. Is there something in particular that interests? - Lisa Hinchliffe
thanks Lisa nothing yet. just wanted to confirm if other libraries had it yet and there wasn't a delay. - aaron from BuddyFeed
I'm finally taking time today to play with our beta and I'm having trouble reimagining my guides with the new options even though I wanted them! If I convert my lit guide, I may post it here and let you all pick it apart. I'd be willing to do the same for others. Maybe I should start a new thread for that? - kaijsa
many betas are apparently built, there are 4643 instnaces of LibGuides (the most recent of which is Hookset School District (#4643) ... - Aaron the Librarian
Our new website goes live one week from today. Does it suck? If you see anything horrid (aside from the popup survey request, which won't be there next week), please let me know...
I think it looks really nice, and didn't notice anything horrid in my clicking around. - Steele Lawman
Wordpress caching wreaked havoc with some of the special touches I added (e.g. serving different content to library "catalog-only" computers--not so easy when pages are cached and PHP is not read), but so far going mostly ok. Although, it meant I also needed to tweak our Libguides CSS, and it turns out it's much easier to mimic the design of an old drab website than a modern, fun one... - JffKrlsn
Stephen Francoeur
So proud of Mr.11yo: he just asked if he could get a subscription to Mad Magazine. #likefatherlikeson Wonder how it's changed since 1970s.
I heard Joe Raiola speak at a library thing a few years back. He was great, as were his recent examples from the mag. - laura x from iPhone
I was surprised when my kids started getting it how good it still is. - JffKrlsn from Android
Stephen Francoeur
Emily Singley, "Discovery systems – testing known item searching," usable libraries -
Pull quote: “This test, while cursory, does suggest that library discovery systems continue to have problems with known item searching. Our users come to these systems with expectations formed by Google: they expect to be able to search by author/title keyword, ISBN, and to be able to copy and paste formatted citations. And we are failing to meet those expectations.” - Stephen Francoeur
From what I understand, Primo's top relevancy marker is title (over subject), so when you do a search for, say, Libya, you'll see a lot of items titled "Libya" at the top of the relevance sort: - Zamms
So this result surprises me a little bit... May need to do some testing myself. - Zamms
I'm eager to try this out myself, too. This summer, there will be a CUNY-wide instance of Primo. Here at Baruch College, we've long had Summon but haven't had catalog records included as CUNY was unable to support that for us. Let's compare notes after we've done our own tests. - Stephen Francoeur
The post mentions unintentional Boolean in EDS, but there's a setting in EBSCOadmin to prevent that. - JffKrlsn from Android
Just got access to the new libguides/libapps.. anyone else playing with it?
Yes. But, mostly I have my grad assistants/interns looking at it in detail right now. They are creating a plan for migration and decisions we need to make. - Lisa Hinchliffe
I just got access last week, took a quick look and realized I have no time for it right now... - JffKrlsn
^^ this. I intend to look at it when I get back from ERL and when we finish updating the library's website. We are hoping to migrate over the summer and go live in the fall. - ~Courtney F
we just had a preso on it … we're hoping to have the ESSENTIAL guides migrated by June 30. G-d bless the woman who's getting that ready!!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Stephen Francoeur
Anyone here actively using the U of Arizona's "Guide on the Side" tutorials software? Wondering about how good it is. Thought I'd heard of some problems folks were having with it.
I saw some folks from U of Arizona present at ALA Annual on it last year and I liked what I saw. Enough to consider sharing my then thoughts on it with library management for possible implementation at the library...and then I moved away to a new job. I'd have to go back and look at it, but I don't think I heard any negative comments. Would be interested in hearing both pro and cons. - Derrick
I wonder about accessibility for folks with vision impairments. How well does it work with screen readers? - maʀtha
Looks like there's been some progress on accessibility: - JffKrlsn
We do need to do accessibility testing, but really like the platform and have been creating, testing, and assessing all year. Students really like GoTS - it is really interactive. - Jen
We tried an html5/swf-based style tutorial (which has accessibility isses, too) but which did not allow for quite the same free-flowing options. for example: or (now that i've bragged on my colleague for putting these together...) I think I really like Guide on the Side, too. - Aaron the Librarian
You know what I like about it? Not have to update screen captures all the freaking time when interfaces change. - maʀtha
So, the more accessible version is the 1.0-beta3 release? I guess? - maʀtha
I host 2 of them now. It's a bit buggy, but it's pretty nice. (sysadminly speaking) - Blake
The main problem i have with guide on the side when testing is that our library homepages have links that *open in new windows* sigh. Not going to change that any time soon. - aaron
How many people here use LibGuides but refer to them as something else when communicating to students etc. Eg "Library guides", "Research guides" etc? We thinking of doing that.
As far as non-library folks are concerned, ours are either "research guides" or just "guides". - ~Courtney F
what do you put on your marketing materials? - aaron
We use library guides, but, honestly, it means nothing to the students - maʀtha
I wonder if research guides would be better? - maʀtha
The argument here against this is "research" sounds scary to Undergraduates. Personally I think this underestimates them, at least the ones here. - aaron
Research Guides for us. I like it in part because it helps me figure out what belongs there and what belongs on the website. - JffKrlsn from Android
Research guides here. - Joe
Research guides. - Meg VMeg
Research guides. We complicated it by having "subject research guides," "course research guides," and "general research guides," but yeah, no "libguides." - lris
Subject guides - Megan loves summer
Has anyone done user testing about this? - maʀtha
I did some card sorting and so on back in 2009. Was inconclusive. - aaron
Has anyone ever tried calling them "Assignment Guides"? - RepoRat
Collectively, we call them "Subject Resource Guides" but when people refer to individual guides they usually say a more precise type - course guide, subject guide, topic guide, assignment guide, etc. There are relatively few places we refer users to them in the collective because mostly we refer users to a specific one. - Lisa Hinchliffe
LibGuides is a brand that means something to librarians only. We've had research or course guides for much longer than Springshare has existed, and calling them by the brand name would mean nothing to users. - Holly's favorite Anna
^ what Anna said - ellbeecee
I surveyed more than 60 students, showing them what the pages looked like, asked them to pick which name fit best: research guides, subject guides, topic guides, or something else. Students overwhelmingly voted in favor of research guides. - Stephen Francoeur
We dropped subject/course/citation and just label them guides on the website. In classes, I often tell the students, "I made a guide for your class," or something. At other times, I point them to a specific research guide or give general advice to look for a subject guide. - kaijsa
the title on the website is "research and subject guides" --usually we use some variation of that. - Hedgehog
RR, if we used "assignment guides" here, student would expect it to include guides to any assignment they got in their classes. "Research" isn't perfect either (there are plenty of kinds of research that don't involve the library) but it's closer. - lris
gotcha, thanks. - RepoRat
Since "Discovery happens elsewhere", as Lorcan Dempsey so famously said, how do we make it easy for users who have discovered the perfect thing get it (or even find out if they CAN get it), even when getting it requires going through library authentication mechanisms that are on the opposite side of the internet from where they are.
of course, if this was easy, they wouldn't pay me so much *cough* - DJF
OPEN ACCESS, that's how. - RepoRat
Bookmarklet thing-y seems most likely to be helpful but getting it marketed and pushed out is of course challenge. We are not a shining example of getting this tool out to users... E.g., - Lisa Hinchliffe
RepoRat, yes, that is the answer moving forward. But that doesn't solve the problem for our licensed backfiles not for our ebook collections. - DJF from Android
Lisa, yes, we have an ezproxy bookmarklet that is also badly promoted. But that doesn't help when we have access from a provider other than the one that our user discovered. - DJF from Android
yeah, I know. best answer I got is "umlaut." - RepoRat
that ezproxy bookmarklet looks pretty sweet. we just moved to ezproxy this year and i didn't know about the bookmarklet. - Marie
i <3 libx ... but that's just me. - Christina Pikas
Bookmarklets are great except of course when you use multiple computers. - laura x
I think what we need to be thinking about is how we can work with our vendors so that when users randomly wind up their sites, they can log in directly somehow. JSTOR, for example, has thought of this, but I'm willing to bet money that if you did usability tests with students, they'd fail to figure out how to use JSTOR's system to see if their institution has access. But I think what... more... - Stephen Francoeur
I should have prefaced my comment by agreeing that users find a lot content by searching elsewhere online, often when they are not on our IP range and things can't magically appear to them in the way they do on campus. We can't start thinking about this problem soley as one of user education, marketing bookmarklets, etc. We have to think bigger. - Stephen Francoeur
Stephen, that's the dream of Shibboleth. Unfortunately, Shib is a huge complicated protocol that seems to require a lot of fiddling to configure correctly, if my local experience is anything to go by. - DJF
Yeah, that its complicated and requires a lot of fiddling is a shibboleth about Shibboleth from what I hear, too. I wonder if I should look into it more and decide if I should start advocating for it here at CUNY or just Baruch College where work. - Stephen Francoeur
Yes, limits to Bookmarklet. But, we should really at least promote what we have set up! Not a criticism of anyone but myself here. :) Putting this higher on my to-do list ... - Lisa Hinchliffe
I've been thinking about this because we've recently had a flurry of questions to MPOW's technical support email (which I oversee) about getting access to things where the person is including the link to the thing they want, so they obviously found it via Google (Scholar). - DJF from Android
Well Lisa, as you know promoting the proxy bookmarklet is one thing my place does right. But it's out of necessity, since we have to route all access via ezproxy even within campus and until recently we were not registered on Google Scholar library links. "Discovery happens elsewhere" is pretty old but I don't know about you guys, but my stats are showing, % of direct/referrer access to... more... - aaron
Another thing we have and don't promote enough is our locally developed "Journal and Articles Locator" - ... which also features a copy/paste my citation option - I'm not sure if we could add a function that would take a URL and try to parse the relevant data - I'll check with our developers... - Lisa Hinchliffe
Lisa, yes you guys have awesome stuff. Quite surprised you not promoting them. Still I wonder, perhaps our sessions end up focused on just "tools and tricks" rather than focusing on the real goals of IL. There is limited time after all, so something have to give. - aaron
Lots of ways to promote besides taking time in sessions. We suffer from being large - hard to have anything stand out, be consistent, etc. We're making good progress toward addressing this come fall tho so I have hope! - Lisa Hinchliffe
upthread, "But that [proxy bookmarklet] doesn't help when we have access from a provider other than the one that our user discovered" -- and this is why LibX is so great, right? linking from DOI, ISBN, etc., to your link resolver, which *always works and never fails* oh well... - JffKrlsn
I love libx. Except libx doesn't work in IE sigh.. That's why some librarians here dont want to promote it unlike the bookmarklet. And your remark on the link resolver is sarcasm of course. - aaron
I really like RR's solution. Simple and clean and no need to be affiliated with a dues-paying institution. - barbara fister
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