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Stephen Francoeur
Veronica Arellano Douglas, "What First Year Students Discovered With EDS," More Questions Than Answers - http://veronicaarellanodouglas.com/2014...
Pull quote: “It’s interesting to note the kinds of topics that came out searching in this tool that I don’t think would have been brought out by only focusing on the catalog or on a specific database.” - Stephen Francoeur
that is really good, thank you for posting it - RepoRat
lris
Dear film makers everywhere. No, I do not want to buy your new documentary.
BUT YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IT - Meg VMeg
^^ME NEITHER - maʀtha
Reading this right after cleaning out my inbox was lolz. - kaijsa
AND IT'S THE ONLY ONE EVER MADE ON THIS TOPIC - Jen
Also, "Dear film askers, we already own your documentary. Stoppit." - ~Courtney F
DIRECTOR'S CUT - Meg VMeg
But you might need another copy of this journey to planet earth! - Joe
I've deleted three such email this morning. Happy Monday! - maʀtha
Stephen Francoeur
Journals, articles, and databases: Guiding users through the e-resource maze http://j.mp/YN5Dpf via @instapaper
Journals, articles, and databases: Guiding users through the e-resource maze http://j.mp/YN5Dpf via @instapaper
Hedgehog
It's Here! The NMC Horizon Report > 2014 Library Edition | The New Media Consortium - http://www.nmc.org/news...
Do you find this useful? - Hedgehog from Bookmarklet
Not really. Usually, I like the NMC reports. This one is striking a very meh note for me. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I was part of the panel that essentially voted on the various technologies and where they ended up in the various rankings. The downside to this kind of averaging out of multiple opinions is that if you're living this stuff every day, nothing that comes out in the report is particularly surprising. I believe a couple of other LSWers were also involved. - John Dupuis
John, maybe that's it? That there's not much "breaking news" but it's much the stuff I work in hear.about fairly regularly. I will shift my feeling to "validated"!! (I think also, I have a general meh response to a lot of "libraries in aggregate' reports, probably for the same reasons) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I usually find the Horizon Report useful as a tool for opening conversations, rather than as breaking news. I've had this one open for a couple of days, but haven't had time to look at it yet. Glad to see something focusing on libraries, though! - kaijsa
I also found this to be a little lacking in "breaking news". It's tough to brand your report as "identifying emerging technologies", because then you have to identify emerging technologies, when I think now we're rather in a period of wide adoption of emerging tech that's been around for quite some time. I thought the challenges section was nicely done, and each trend had a good... more... - Regular Amanda
Was in the NMC panel too. I guess If you are the type that keeps your ears and eyes open by reading twitter,blog,LSW, mailing lists aka the typical LSWer - I would expect you won't find anything news breaking given that this is in our domain area. It's the same thing when attending some conferences, I suppose - where you may find some attendees going "wow, this is so amazing" and you are internally going "meh" because you read about it already. - aaron
I will be adding this to my librarybox - ♫Robot Chicken, Trainer♫ from Android
Thinking about this more, Kaijsa's point is a good one: these are good overviews that can be used to start good conversations. I feel like maybe I was overly negative yesterday. - Regular Amanda from Android
Stephen Francoeur
Summer Instruction Camp: LibGuides for Student Learning http://j.mp/1tC2KnH via @instapaper
Summer Instruction Camp: LibGuides for Student Learning http://j.mp/1tC2KnH via @instapaper
~Courtney F
does anyone have guidelines at their library for what should and should not be a LibGuide? We have a library website that is outside of our LibGuides instance, and I'd like to come up with guidelines for what should be a page on that site and what should be a LibGuide. Thanks!
Pull everything into LibGuides and wrap LG with the university's branding code? - Aaron the Librarian
not really possible. We have to have a presence within the university CMS. - ~Courtney F
This is what we have: "The creation and use of LibGuides is primarily intended for online pages that provide information/resources for a specific subject (e.g., American Literature); tools (e.g. RefWorks); specific resources (e.g. Using ERIC) or processes (e.g. Citing Sources); or are intended for use by a defined discipline, user group, course or instructor." - Meg VMeg
hmm....that's helpful, Meg, thanks! - ~Courtney F
We deliberately moved most of our pages into LibGuides during a period of less than adequate web support. Now things are better and we're contemplating moving them back out for greater design control. It's all going to be about your needs and circumstances. Good luck! - Rebecca Hedreen
Stephen Francoeur
Nearly done making Clay Shirky's Here Comes Everybody serve as textbk for course I'm teaching this spring. http://guides.newman.baruch.cuny.edu/lib3040... @cshirky
Nearly done making Clay Shirky's Here Comes Everybody serve as textbk for course I'm teaching this spring. http://guides.newman.baruch.cuny.edu/lib3040spring2014 @cshirky
I really dig the assignments - maʀtha
I'm hoping to get Clay Shirky's attention somehow, thus the tweet. - Stephen Francoeur
How many credits is this class? - maʀtha
are you going to keep the wiki after the conclusion of this class? Or would you have a future cohort create their own wiki from scratch? - maʀtha
The next time I teach the class, we'll use a different book and make a new wiki. - Stephen Francoeur
You should bring out the original Coase as well; and maybe some Benkler. - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
Last time I taught the class, we used Eli Pariser's The Filter Bubble. Whatever book I use has to be pretty accessible. I think the next time I teach the class, I'm going to focus on copyright, innovation, where ideas come from, what is creativity, etc. There are a ton of books we could use for that (something by Lawrence Lessig, Steven Johnson, Lewis Hyde, Wiliam Patry). - Stephen Francoeur
Stephen Francoeur
My reactions to the EBSCO announcement that it will "share" records with other discovery services.
From the page about partnership terms: http://www.ebscohost.com/metadat... "c.) The discovery result record that comes from a database must also identify that source database in the full record, and include any copyright statements as required by the content provider." My reaction: So records in Summon that came from an EBSCO database have to mention the database name? Not cool. - Stephen Francoeur
From the page listing databases whose records will be shared: http://www.ebscohost.com/metadat... My reaction: Where is CINAHL? - Stephen Francoeur
From the main announcement page: http://www.ebscohost.com/metadat... "III. The only EBSCO research databases that are not yet included in the above policy are those resources that are built upon and subscribed to primarily for their subject indexing. EBSCO believes very strongly in the need for precision in search – a need that becomes even more paramount within discovery... more... - Stephen Francoeur
Indeed re CINAHL - maʀtha
“We’ll share but sometimes we won’t.” - A lesson learned from Harvard Business Review, perhaps? - Zamms
We will share to the point that it makes us look good, but only up to that point. - Joe
EBSCO and EDS has always been database centric, so mentioning the database name is not surprising, in fact many librarians would like that - Summon 2.0 lists things like Scopus, Web of Science, PILOT etc anyway now, those count as databases I think? The one thing that may be problematic is the demand not to merge records from EDS into other records. And yes CINAHL is glaringly missing... - aaron
The other thing they're saying: sometimes we work hard at subject indexing, and sometimes we don't. (This doesn't surprise me--they generally treat CINAHL differently from their other databases.) - JffKrlsn
What is really ironic, though, in demanding that the source database be recognized: recently EBSCO stopped listing the database in EDS records not only when the source is one of the "foundation" EDS indexes, but also when the source is one of the Academic Search databases. (There was much protest against this on the EDS listserv.) So it is critical that other discovery services credit Academic Search, but not critical for EBSCO to do so... - JffKrlsn
Fascinating.. Does this mean you can't filter by source to that? Any reason given why? - aaron
Correct, can't filter to the base indexes, or to Academic Search Premier/Complete, or, strangely, to Psychology & Behavioral Sciences Collection. Yes, they gave a reason. I'll quote instead of paraphrasing: "With regard to Academic Search, because EDS is essentially the largest "multidisciplinary index" in the world (which includes the full text of Academic Search for subscribing... more... - JffKrlsn
Hmm. Kinda makes sense to me. But seems too much trouble to bother to remove on purpose. I havent used EDS much, so I am not sure how useful filtering by source database really is. - aaron
I posted something saying it seemed odd that they were saying Academic Search is replaced by EDS when they make such a big deal about their high-quality metadata, but much of the metadata in EDS is not under EBSCO's control... In some ways I agree, there's logic in it, and I generally recommend EDS over Academic Search Complete. - JffKrlsn
Today, on a somewhat related topic: "Asked whether Ebsco favors its own content in the results generated by its search tool, Sam Brooks, executive vice president for sales and marketing, dismissed the idea as "competitor-driven propaganda." He added, "There’s no truth to that whatsoever." Bias toward a content provider, he says, "would be commercial suicide for any discovery vendor." - See more at: http://m.chronicle.com/article..." - maʀtha
Ex Libris has now offered a statement. Here's a snippet from the email from Shlomi Kringel (VP Discovery and Delivery Solutions) I found on the SFX mailing list today: "While we welcome the new EBSCO approach to sharing and collaboration and look forward to a real change, we are concerned by the fact that EBSCO only selectively complies with the above industry standards and that only... more... - Stephen Francoeur
aaron
Latest T&F news seems very interesting.
interesting in a good way. " TFL gives users who have full access to one article the ability to read other Taylor & Francis articles referenced by it for free." :-) - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
"Good" as in "for a publisher with high prices determined to limit access, it's a start." Closer it will get, say, Walt Crawford to being able to read T&F articles: Well, you can't have everything. - Walt Crawford
well, yes to what Walt says. Baby steps. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Stephen Francoeur
RT @mkgold: "Thinking About Authority and Academic Databases" - a new post by the @beyondcitation #dhpraxis team http://dhpraxisf13.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2014... #digitalgc
Stephen Francoeur
Love this presentation on A/B/n testing of library web pages. Rare that slides alone so informative. http://hellolibrarian.com/talks... #libraries #ux
Stephen Francoeur
I got ___. Which ___ are you? Take the quiz. #enoughalready
STOP THE MADNESS - Steele Lawman
But how else can I satisfy my narcissist need to determine the many small ways in which I am superior? - Ken Morley
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Meeting with a prof about his first library instruction session led to discussion of what the need actually is, led to him brainstorming about including me as a lab component for the research methods class they are designing for the major. W00t w00t baby!
did that start with your inviting him for coffee? - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Awesome! great opportunity. We have been doing this with political science - lab described here: http://archives.gac.edu/cdm... - barbara fister
Love it! - Jen
Actually, it started with my syllabus blurb, and then he invited me to coffee! It's the magic tool! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Awesome Barbara, thank you! I'll admit Research Methods isn't my preference for this kind of thing -- I've always wanted to do a lab component for the first research class in the major, walking them through the variety of research opportunities when they have a topic in hand -- but I'll take it! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
About to start drafting examples of "information literate assignments" for teaching resources page. Do you have any you're willing to share?
this has some we recommend to our faculty: http://belmont.libguides.com/content... - ~Courtney F
feel free to use anything from this workshop handout (a Word doc) http://db.tt/WmMi81yf - barbara fister
This handout (Word doc) was used in a faculty development workshop at MPOW recently: http://www3.saintmarys.edu/library... - Catherine Pellegrino
^^^ those are awesome! - barbara fister
Catherine, those are fantastic! Thanks all! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Now to cull and shape. Cull and shape! A good, usable libguide tab will come from all this wonderful, it truly will! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
We're working on something similar. I have various materials from workshops, but our instruction coordinator is working on a libguide, which will be much nicer. My eye is on this space, too! - kaijsa
I would like to copy several/all of the ones Catherine posted for our website, but I'm not sure how to give attribution... just say they are from Saint Mary's? although I'm not sure from what you said that they are actually from SM... - JffKrlsn
Hi JffKrlsn - the handout I linked above is mostly my own work (I think there's one in there that I cribbed from someplace else and incompletely cited) and you (or anybody else) are welcome to use, copy, transform, mutilate, or otherwise muck about with it however you want, with or without attribution. Good pedagogy wants to be free. :) - Catherine Pellegrino
Oh, terrific! This is an old thread, glad I was able to find it. Those assignments are great. - JffKrlsn
You can see how our instruction librarian referenced our handout at http://libguides.southernct.edu/instruc... (the handout is at the bottom) - Rebecca Hedreen
Feel free to use any of this document that might be useful - https://db.tt/VNKfXGsT - barbara fister
Megan loves summer
Y'all may have already seen this, but just in case: "The British Library Puts 1,000,000 Images into the Public Domain, Making Them Free to Reuse & Remix" http://www.openculture.com/2013...
Fantastic stuff! - Laura Norvig from iPhone
bentley
The other day, MCCPOW (my community college place of work), instead of closing at 10pm, closed at midnight. There were pancakes in the common area down the hall from the library starting at 10.
We do something similar, but only hand out cookies. Pancakes win! - kaijsa
My University provide a complete hot breakfast at midnight: pancakes, eggs, bacon, the whole thing. - DJF
I didn't look to see what all they offered. They called it Pancake Breakfast. - bentley
RepoRat
In which Judge Chin says "f*** you, Authors Guild, have some fair use." https://www.dropbox.com/s...
Very readable, too. I could see giving this to students as a fair use reading. - Rebecca Hedreen
"The fair use analysis set forth above with respect to Google Books applies here as well to the libraries' use of their scans, and if there is no liability for copyright infringement on the libraries' part, there can be no liability on Google's part." BOOM - Aaron the Librarian
SO ORDERED. *gavel drops* Dang, that was a satisfying read. - RepoRat
"For the reasons set forth above, plaintiffs' motion for partial summary judgment is denied and Google's motion for summary judgment is granted. Judgment will be entered in favor of Google dismissing the Complaint." - Aaron the Librarian
I had a new slide in my GBooks lecture this fall entitled "Hathi pwns Author's Guild." Just added another new one entitled "Google pwns Author's Guild." - RepoRat
Just filed a story about it. Glad to have such a readable opinion to work with. - Jennifer Howard
Story's up, and a good story it is. - RepoRat
The story was locked, but this might be a free 24 hour version? http://chronicle.com/article... Oh, and thanks Jennifer for the nice coverage. - Joe
Deborah Fitchett
If anyone happens to know of any recent Summon vs Primo comparisons that'd be fantastic. Also my lit search is making me ponder the pros/cons of convincing Google to sell libraries API access to Scholar so we could roll our own discover layer.
good luck with that - DJF
Someone told me (informally) that one of the reasons Google was allowed to index publishers' holdings was the condition that it would *not* make such information available as an API or sold to libraries, or perhaps it was both conditions.... - copystar
I heard that from the google scholar lead directly, yup. Some publishers imposed that restriction re apis. - Heather Piwowar from iPhone
In retrospect unsurprising. Sigh. I understand A&I databases holding on for all they're worth; but full-text databases *should* be giving away at least the bibliographic data: it makes the full-text they sell more popular hence more sellable, and if we could create, say, an open source discovery layer with decent content then maybe we'd have more money to buy that full-text with. - Deborah Fitchett
That's okay, I've been hearing noise about scholar possibly going away and subsumed into regular Google - Aaron the Librarian from Android
stfu - Meg VMeg
I didn't say I liked it - just that I'm hearing it - Aaron the Librarian from Android
I'm mostly only hearing speculative "What if" fears, I haven't heard any noise based on anything even *slightly* more substantial yet. - Deborah Fitchett
We compared em all and there was no real difference between them and a cross search of ebscohost. We still tried to go with summon so we could have better faceting and it failed our tests. Rochkind wrote up the first in code4lib j - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Part of this paper deals with the choice between summon and primo http://www.tandfonline.com/doi... - lris
Awesome, thank you! - Deborah Fitchett
There was a ustream from Charleston today (Thursday) that mentioned this very thing. I think Jenica tweeted a screenshot of that slide too - Aaron the Librarian from Android
Thanks for the links! We are in the very beginningest of talks to think about other-than-Summon, this is helpful stuff. (anecdotally, even without faceting, I still prefer Google Scholar over Summon for finding things both for myself and for almost every student who comes to the research desk. It's not as pretty, or information-full, but it just works better.) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Relevancy magic by google. - aaron
web of knowledge + Google scholar tie up? http://www.outsellinc.com/insight... - guess will be around a while? - aaron from YouFeed
lris
I'm working on a guide to reading and using sources in writing. Comments and suggestions greatly appreciated! http://gouldguides.carleton.edu/activer...
Looks great! I'll look at again tomorrow more closely. - Stephen Francoeur
that looks awesome! I can look again tomorrow as well, but I don't see anything that I'd change - Sir Shuping is just sir
I should have suspected you'd be up to something like this. I was just at a statewide meeting of secondary, college, and university faculty teaching literature and we focused on close reading. Of course, I decided to work on upping my game on guides. Once I have a chance to look at this, I may just link to you. :) - kaijsa
Link, borrow, whatever you like. :) - lris
Massive thanks to Steve (for writing a box and suggesting many resources) and to Marianne (for editing the whole and suggesting one of the pages). - lris
Iris, you're amazing. And omg, you have the AzTech link in there, I am so thrilled! - Lily
This is great. Expect a "so-and-so is using your guide as a template" email shortly! - Rebecca Hedreen
Very seriously awesome, Iris - maʀtha
Waif, Wife, and especially I can benefit from this. Great job, Iris. - MoTO: Team Marina
Could I, uh, appropriate, er, reuse with credit, the Use what you have to find more box? - maʀtha
also the bridge box? - maʀtha
Oh, nevermind, I see you have given permission above. Thank you. - maʀtha
Yep, use/reuse/whatever. :) - lris
Holy wow. I will be reading and thinking about this deeply in the next few days/weeks/months. Expect the Saint Mary's College Critical Thinking Seminar program to be all the hell over this, my friend. - Catherine Pellegrino
~Courtney F
we just released Summon (we're calling it OneSearch) and I just got email from the President of the University!!! (he likes it!)
Is that the 2.0 version or 1.0? - aaron
we are still on 1.0 and i'm not clear on when our 2.0 roll out will be. - ~Courtney F
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Student Data is the New Oil: MOOCs, Metaphor, and Money http://hackeducation.com/2013...
? - Katie
(hit send too soon!) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
So what data are students creating? What data are schools and software companies gathering? Traditionally, we've thought about "student data" in terms of what’s on the transcript — that is, demographics, major, and final course grades. Student data includes test scores. Individual assignments. Attendance. Add to that perhaps, behavior and disciplinary records. "This will go down on your permanent record!" as many of us have been informed. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
But schools and their administrative and instructional technologies track so much more these days: library check-outs. Gym visits. Inter-mural sports participation. Cafeteria and bookstore purchases. Minutes from student meetings. Times in and out of the dormitory. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Much of this data exists in software silos that are disconnected. But more and more, companies are starting to push for the aggregation of student data into analytics tools that can be sold in turn back to the school. Learning management system log-ins and duration of their LMS sessions. Blog and forum comment history. Internet usage while on campus. Emails sent and received on via university email accounts. The pages students read in digital textbooks. The passages they highlight - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
There's more too, that gray area of students' computer usage, via software that isn't necessarily administered by the school: students’ search engine history. Their social media profiles. Time spent on Facebook while in class. Videos watched on Coursera or Khan Academy or Udacity, along with if and where they paused the videos. Exercises completed on any of these platforms. Their Wikipedia visits. Their downloads. Their uploads. Their levels on Grand Theft Auto V. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
All their keystrokes and mouse clicks, logged. Those last items are, along with biometric data, how Coursera says it plans to confirm students’ identities for its "signature track" MOOCs, that is those courses from which students can pay for an official certificate. These are also the data that Coursera says will give it incredible insights into course design. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Very much wow! - Katie
iknowright??? scary stuff! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
laura x
Wiley: QR Codes Kill Kittens: How to Alienate Customers, Dishearten Employees, and Drive Your Business into the Ground - Scott Stratten, Alison Kramer - http://www.wiley.com/WileyCD...
Wiley: QR Codes Kill Kittens: How to Alienate Customers, Dishearten Employees, and Drive Your Business into the Ground - Scott Stratten, Alison Kramer
This exists. You're welcome. - laura x from Bookmarklet
ok that is awesome. - Sir Shuping is just sir
the video is awesome... - Christina Pikas
Our Criminologists are using QR codes. The students aren't... enthusiastic. I said to the lead tutor 'I could have told you QR codes are bullshit' - Pete : Team Marina
the book is on ebl... i needed that laugh :) - Christina Pikas
This was part of the swag for the conference I attended last week (where the author, Scott Stratten, did an amazing keynote speech - seriously, it was like watching Lewis Black speak geek). - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
The table of contents alone justifies the existence of this book! - Grumpator
Fantastic. - Meg VMeg
laura x
I am having way too much fun clicking around on this thing. - laura x from Bookmarklet
Hedgehog
So what are you all doing for OA week?
SLIS's academic-library student group is trying to reprise last year's panel discussion. I have politely declined to be on it. By coincidence, I am scheduled to discuss the OSTP Memo at the Wisconsin Institute for Discovery on Monday of OA Week. - RepoRat
I'm thinking about a series of blog posts/videos, maybe a webinar, and a brown bagger. (Trying to balance local with national.) - kendrak
Only slightly OT: Maybe OA week would be a good time to discuss Escalating Definitions of Open? (Since I'm seeing some today...) - Walt Crawford
We're doing a wikipeda edit-a-thon. Not exactly OA, but related. Plus I hope it draws more student interest. - Freeda B.
nothing. :) - aaron from BuddyFeed
Setting my librarians free. They have great easy plans and I don't remember what they are. :) - Jenica
It's fall break here. (Not that we've ever done anything in the past, but we really won't do anything this year.) EDIT: wait, I was wrong! Last year we announced a lecture at Big Research Library Across The Street: https://www.saintmarys.edu/library... - Catherine Pellegrino
We have Victoria Stodden coming to speak on open data and code - should be great! - Sarah from FreshFeed
I have a "web exhibit" that I advertise every year: http://libguides.southernct.edu/openacc... - Rebecca Hedreen
it's midterms, as usual, so we're changing things up this shear and just doing basic promotion in October, and then making February "open" month. open access, open data, open source, etc. hackathon, panels, Wikipedia fun thing, some other stuff... - jambina
We're organizing a Death of Evidence mock funeral in the atrium of our Scott Library. There will be eulogies from York profs & staff for muzzled scientists, Library & Archives Canada and the long form census. I should have a draft web page up by the end of the week. Yes, it will be recorded & live-streamed. (Books vs. Blog debate last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch...) - John Dupuis
Wow - maʀtha
John wins. (wow!) - Catherine Pellegrino
Holy cats, Dupuis! - Marie
John FTW! That is awesome. You've called the news outlets, right? - RepoRat
Mock funeral awesomeness! We are hosting an edit-a-thon, plus organizing a series around town for OA Week, but... no mock funerals. - Regular Amanda
Yes, holy cats. This one will be hard to top next year, but at least I won't be chair of the Schol Comm Committee then. I am this year so I'm dealing with all the logistical stuff for this. For example, it seems we will be able to borrow a coffin and other props from the Theatre department. And yes, we have a Communications Officer for the Libraries and she is *on* this. - John Dupuis
John - i'll leave stream it here. send me details as you have them, por favor.) - jambina
Absolutely. I'm meeting with the media tech people at noon to work out the details. BTW, the idea wasn't in any way only mine but really developed as a committee. It's a really great group, best committee ever. I think my main contribution over the last couple of years is to get people planning OA week in the spring rather than the September meeting. - John Dupuis
So excited - I just got off the phone with the coordinator of our new grad student writing centers. We're going to do some brown bags IN the writing centers talking about OA and ETDs. Our grad students have been getting pretty active in OA lately (the grad student govt joined R2RC this past spring), so I've been targeting them lately. We typically have low-zero turnout for events held in the library so I'm excited to get into other campus space! - Grumpator
Lisa Hinchliffe
Intersection of info lit/instruction and user experience... Your best sources? Need to make case there is one. But, if you believe there isn't tell me why....
it's so self-evident I can't break it apart. I'll ponder. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Here's one that Clive Thompson sent to me over twitter (squee!) : There is a difference between competence and the feeling of competence: Inept and satisfied, redux:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc... - copystar
It does seem self evident, but google scholar is not making the connection obvious for me. How has someone else not already made that connection? Deb Kolah who does UX at Rice University may know of some specific IL connections. - Joe
She had a poster paper in 2010 at SLA was the top reference for my google search, but it was about portals like pageflakes, a little dated now. If you contact her, say hi for me. She is the chair of the UX caucus of SLA. - Joe
The T. Scott P. paper seems ok. - Joe
Since Kent Anderson likes what T. Scott says and writes about, it gives me a little pause, http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2012... - Joe
Erm, would some of the ethnography lit demonstrate a connection? - barbara fister
And library anxiety stuff? - barbara fister
Great ideas - keep them coming ... I need to counter an argument - well, at least make it complex - that if students LIKE something it is BEST for their learning and thus what the Library should do. But, ultimately I think students LIKE to get good grades, get jobs at graduation, etc. - asking them to figure out which library search environment will be best for getting sources in order... more... - Lisa Hinchliffe
I've noticed one point where UX and IL collide and I like to call it 'UX versus the Teachable Moment' http://librarian.newjackalmanac.ca/2013... That being said, we obviously can't base our work on purely what students 'like' more. One of my fave IL talks was about the importance of cognitive dissonance. Questioning our own assumptions is not something that we generally 'like' to do - but it's hard to grow our perspectives otherwise - copystar
Thanks. I have no problem at all with improving tools, etc. so I can stop spending all my time teaching students how to get around the system to do what they want. We should give them the most modern, functional, kicking it info environments we can. And then we should challenge them ... To think hard, find the best stuff, etc. In order to meet the expectations that faculty have for... more... - Lisa Hinchliffe
Nothing smart to contribute, except to say I loved the idea of "inept but satisfied users" , does that describe many users of web scale discovery services? There's a bit of speculation in http://journal.code4lib.org/article... , where they find that users are generally indifferent between the different discovery products during their "preference tests". The author wonders if users... more... - aaron
Now I'm thinking about how the goals of UX may in some ways seem designed to steer people away from threshold concepts. Only I don't think that's the case. Frustration with broken tools and stupid work that we have to do to work around systems that don't work well may actually postpone the real challenges that offer real intellectual and emotional growth. It may keep everything on the... more... - barbara fister
I too think that UX and IL are on the same side. Both groups, for example, have interest in evidence based practice while recognizing that research cannot be reduced to a set of simple mechanics. - copystar
These are so helpful. I am realizing the person I am struggling with may not be as familiar with UX as they insist they are. I really like the idea that we should dhave tools that work so the focus doesn't have to be on the tools! - Lisa Hinchliffe
I keep coming back to this thread and thinking about it more. Echoing Barbara's comments, maybe information behavior research might be related here--research that looks at processes people go through to find info and why they make certain choices. If the UX is bad, that affects how people act and think, which in turn affects the knowledge they build about the process. I've probably just... more... - Megan loves summer
"Information seeking" is another subject that might also be in the intersection of info lit and UX. - Joe
1. I read the relationship between the 2 as "instruction can help us figure out what's not working in the UX." For instance: patron looking at OpenURL screen with no results thought she had to look up isbn to do an isbn search in catalog (instead of just clicking link, which prepopulates isbn) - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
2. Patrons need to work around even the simple things we think we've fixed - i.e., we implemented bento box search in our main search (library.unc.edu) so that books are on right & articles on left (from Summon). And we are hearing that users are working around that interface to get right to the catalog -- ignoring what we thought would be the benefit of the bento box approach. fwiw. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Zamms
Relevance and Phrase Searching in Summon: looking under the hood http://journal.code4lib.org/article...
"This article briefly examines the mechanisms behind seemingly counter-intuitive phrase search results in Serials Solutions’ discovery platform Summon. The authors use the platform’s search API to explain why users sometimes encounter greater numbers of results when typically they would expect fewer. The article explores the reasons behind the search results and the implications for library instruction." - Zamms
If this has been posted here already, sorry, but I can't search FriendFeed right now because their service is new, and they are just working out the kinks. - Zamms
takeaway: "Taken together, what we have [with "" searching] is a “this is really important to me” operator." *sigh* Summon, Google, etc. #LibrariansHaveNoRelevance - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Hmm I thought the reason why quotes sometimes led to more results was because it turns off the automatic proximity restriction in full text. My understanding is if you *don't* put quotes, Summon automatically does proximity operator to match within 200 words for full text matches. This solves one of the problems I noticed for us, when I used to always get the print copy of encyclopedia... more... - aaron
that's interesting Aaron.... I hope the vendor will chime in with some comments on the article - Christina Pikas
They didnt comment, but the latest update they said "Full Text Searching – We've increased precision and recall for matching hits in the full text field which also resolves a previously reported issue where a user could find more results for a quoted search when less results is expected" - reading between the lines I think it means they removed this whole... more... - aaron
RepoRat
Your Tuesday dose of purest unadulterated WTF: http://wtfviz.net/
These really-truly had me saying "What the fuuuuuuuuu--" out loud in my office, until I realized what I was doing and stopped myself. - RepoRat
My brain hurts - John: Thread Killer
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
So frustrated. We bought journal packages. Cancelled indices. Bought Summon. Now, we cancel journal packages. We've destroyed the notion of access, and in the process we are completely screwing researchers.
I am starting to think this is all an argument to kill Summon, and just lean on Google Scholar. Schoogle doesn't care if we own a title or it's indexing. It makes the content findable, regardless of ownership. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I'm not sure i understand....you cancel journal packages because they are indexed by summon? How to you get to full text? How do users use journal packages outside Summon? Through library catalog or some other way? - ~Courtney F
No, the budget is determining we cancel journal packages. We already eliminated indexing (and then we bought Summon) and now we are eliminating content. Summon is useless without content, and we no longer have index only databases. We have a lot fewer FT databases than we might, because FT journals + Summon was the decision on where to spend our money. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
So the path we have taken, plus the budget situation, means we no longer provide access. The more I think about it, the more I think we should just start everyone at Google Scholar, and stop paying for Summon. GS can work with the link resolver to connect to owned content, and also to find unowned content accessible through ILL. Summon is looking to me to be the big waste of money in the equation... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Summon is expensive, and if I were in charge of anything and we had to make cuts, I'd also cut it before databases. Several years back I had a debate with another librarian about which should be cut first, indexes or full-text packages. I was like, cut the FT and at least provide discovery. At this point, I'm kind of leaning toward what Rudi's saying. With Scholar, we could theoretically put our money toward FT and essential indexes and get rid of the rest. Basically, I'm now about access. - kaijsa
thanks kajisa :) I feel like we forced ourselves to NEED Summon once we went for FT journal packages over searchable databases. And since indices don;t do much in Summon, we didn't need those anymore. And now... now we are where, exactly? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
(all of this brought to you by the 8 journal package spreadsheets that just landed on my desk requiring title by title cancellation decisions....) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I'm not sure I help. :0 But I will say for the record that I am still all about indexes. And controlled vocabulary! - kaijsa
Yikes. Sounds to me like the issue is less about Summon and more about poor priorities from the collection development team. Did you get usage data to go with the journal cancelation information? Packages kind of suck in that you get a good deal on price (relatively speaking) but also a lot of junk you don't want. Like cable TV. - Holly's favorite Anna
Anna, we have a new AUL for collections starting in a month. I am without a doubt overjoyed. I only wish he could have started 4 months ago. We do get usage info, but without an overaching philosophy in place about what matters (access vs. holdings for example) we are making current decisions in the dark, IMO. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I wonder how many other libraries have used discovery layers as a substitute for multiple subject databases? It seems a logical progression, but everything I've heard until now is that it's a layer on top of other databases. (Me, I'm a "want big and interdisciplinary? use GS and Academic Search Premier." But I'm not normal, just poor.) - barbara fister
Many years ago when H.W. Wilson's core collection was the basis of the the collection policies at MPOW. And now it just seems chaotic and driven by dubious deals and I feel your frustration. I know ISI is evil and STEM heavy, but admit I see the appeal of using Web of Science as an index and then spending $ on core serials rather than buying a bajillion titles we never use. - copystar
Sounds to me like an institution that needs to rethink its approach to collections. That has very little to do with Summon, per se, and everything to do with priorities about information access and how funding is linked to those priorities. - Jenica
<threadjack> Reminds of a former college president (pre-open-access web publishing) who wondered why the library needed any budget since Interlibrary Loan could meet all of our needs. Made us figure out what our philosophy was very quickly. </threadjack> - barbara fister
<still on that threadjack> "The short answer is it would violate our agreement with other libraries and we'd be on our own. The longer answer is..." - barbara fister
i would cancel summon in a heartbeat - i was the lone member of the team to recommend against it because 1) $ and 2) it's - amazingly - not THAT much better than using EbscoHost's API to cross search the databases we have through them. Unfortunately EbscoHost is really not so hot in science and engineering. - Christina Pikas
I recommend this for one person writing on whether "discovery" systems are actually "access" systems ... http://edchamberlain.wordpress.com/2013... We have Primo in process of implementation. I've found people to be too devoted to the "idea" of discovery system to evaluate how well these systems actually work. So, now... more... - Lisa Hinchliffe
Oh, BTW Barbara, poverty may be okay. User behavior in the logs shows great love for Academic Search Premier... - Lisa Hinchliffe
So glad you're doing this work, Lisa - we need it. - barbara fister
Jenica, I agree wholeheartedly! And I think our new AD for Collections will be up for the job -- less certain he knows what he's getting in to though.... (and I wish I could bend time! I hate making these decisions before the work is done!) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
My main reservation with Scholar would be: if Google suddenly decided to drop it a la Reader, would they provide enough warning to give libraries time to scramble for a replacement discovery service? But maybe it's sufficiently core to Google's mission that this isn't a real concern. - Deborah Fitchett
I don't think it's core. Look how hard it is to find menu>even more>scroll scroll - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I worry that GS will suddenly bore Google, but many of the things we currently subscribe to may go away because we can no longer afford them. - barbara fister
Are there libraries that started off with a non-federated discovery service (Summon, EDS, Primo central, Worldcat local) , and eventually dropped it? Libraries have switched from one to another I know but have any dropped it? What's the reaction from users? - aaron
Libraries are highly dependent on all sorts of publisher-to-publisher/vendor-to-vendor contracts. At any point we could find content that we believe we have access to in a particular database disappear from that database. I think I'm remembering something about the Harvard Business Review? Primo/EBSCO relationship - anyone want to predict the future of that? So, yes - free things could go away at any point but so do things we pay for. - Lisa Hinchliffe
This is true. I think I get most concerned (whether it's free or pay-for) when it's something that covers *everything*. If one database dies, even if it's a special unique snowflake butterfly, meh, we've got a bazillion other databases so pretty much every topic is still covered even if not as wonderfully as we'd like. But if the discovery layer dies with too little warning then yeah, I'm gonna panic a bit. - Deborah Fitchett
The question of whether Summon & company are just "access"/obtain/delivery systems as opposed to discovery systems is an interesting one, but statistics I have seen reported in various studies suggests known item (leaving aside quibbles about what counts as one) is around the 50% mark? maybe less. If this shifts to say 70% or more, we can perhaps declare defeat and just focus on supporting delivery in GS.and give up on discovery. More studies like Lisa's are needed on this! - aaron
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I'm trying to ID high profile cases of intellectual dishonesty, Rigoberta Menchu, and the Three cups of tea scandal. Anything more current? (this is for use in a class)
There was the thing in the news this spring about some high profile ... Monkey? Experiments having been faked. - lris
Mitch Daniels, alleged plagiarist. http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry... - kaijsa
And of course, huge news a few years ago was Stephen Ambrose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - lris
The faked stem cell research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Everything surrounding the Dipak Das Red Wine/Heart disease http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012... - Hedgehog
There are several other scandals mentioned in the "What people are saying about Retraction Watch" page: http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/what-pe... (I keep forgetting about that site.) - Rebecca Hedreen
Jonah Leher's (sp) case is somewhat interesting. Some clearly definable plagiarism, some making stuff up and attributing it to someone famous, some self plagiarism... He's trying to rehabilitate himself and he's still pulling in speaker's fees. - Christina Pikas
p.s. Thanks for using "intellectual dishonesty" aka academic dishonesty instead of lumping everything under plagiarism. The double-dipping, fabrication, etc. we see in the Leher situation is great because it shows students that there is more to honesty than not copying. - kaijsa
When it was in the news, it was interesting to quote Doris Kearns Goodwin talking about her plagiarism problem. "I was really busy, I mixed up my notes, somebody who was helping me did it wrong" - gosh, I've heard this somewhere before. I don't mean it as a "bad plagiarist!" so much as "real researchers have the same problems you do. Even if you're not cheating on purpose, it's still a problem." - barbara fister
The retracted vaccine paper that still makes the rounds might be a good example, now that its chief promoter has a talk show gig. - barbara fister
It's a few years old now, but I always found the Arming America controversy interesting because it was denounced so strongly by people with an ax to grind. But it was apparently genuinely questionable research. - barbara fister
more about what the vaccine paper (ick): Wakefield’s article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent | BMJ http://www.bmj.com/content... - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
This has been going on for a while and it just made the NYT recently: http://www.nytimes.com/2013... ... you can read more about these on Retraction Watch - henry
Thanks all! Lots of great ideas here. My heart still wants to do Rigoberta Menchu, but I know it's not a current enough reference :( - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
(and kajisa -- exactly! plagiarism is only part of the problem!) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
James Frey. The Madonna Constantine incident at the Teachers College of Columbia is an interesting and recent one that made a big splash in the news. "Misha: A Mémoire of the Holocaust Years" by Misha Defonseca was falsified a la Frey, Wilkomirski authored "Fragments," a bogus Holocaust memoir (if you want Big Lies Posited as Truths). Viswanathan was the Harvard gal who plagiarized her novel and that was in the news. Maureen Dowd and Fareed Zakaria have been smacked on the hand for minor plagiarisms. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
oooh, Retraction Watch may be the perfect thing -- such a wide variety of fields and kinds of intellectual dishonesty! Varying repercussions. I love it! I'm also thinking now of pulling together 6 or 7 of various author's defenses of why their work is still legit, and having the students rip those apart... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I was going to suggest Retraction Watch and Deidrick Stapel is a great example. - Sarah from FreshFeed
yes ... i'm waiting to get some flack from coworkers because i watch Retraction Watch :). the stapel story is especially interesting because the human side of the case made it to the mainstream media ... doesn't make it less wrong, but perhaps more understandable. - henry
aaron
Just spent the weekend revisiting 10 webinars from the "Information Literacy in the Age of Web-Scale Discovery" (you can see it on Serialssolutions website under webinars), after watching live stream of http://summonil2013.wordpress.com/
Though I am a novice at IL, I'll probably write up a blog post of it - listing the different ways Summon is used in classes, but a common theme is how Summon frees up time from having to teach the mechanics of clicking buttons , giving librarians more time to teach keyword select, teach narrowing of topic etc... Fits in nicely with Barbara Fister's outrageous claim #2 "stop teaching students how to find sources" I think.... - aaron
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