"20% time means that sparks of genius can happen. If you copy anything about it, ignore the “time” part, and go with the open culture part."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I wonder if people would understand it better if it were described as 120% time?
- Adewale Oshineye
I've always wondered if the "20% time" was implemented at Google to keep the time spent on pet projects in check (i.e., without it, it may be 40%!), while still allowing creativity & innovation etc.
- Chris Lamprecht
Great Post Paul, thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
- anil madamala
Great post, if i remember correctly, 3M also used the "20% time" to create their biggest innovations years ago. so it doesn't only apply to software development.
- Tal Muskal
Really looking forward to your take on 20% time, Paul.
- Dion Almaer
Gore did that like over 20 years ago, and voilà goreTex was born.....
- denise
@denise: and does Al Gore claim it is his invention? (like Internets are;)
- Jemm
Allowing your people some slack - and enough space - so they can either learn something new now and then or try something new - is certainly something that works in the end for a company (although with online addictions it works less nowadays as slack often disappears in messaging). GoreTex I thought was a very deliberate invention for space and then medical uses, the only "blue sky" bit of it was seeing how it could be used for performance clothing, and I'm not sure that didnt come from outside the company
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Came here from from my "experimental feed" actually. Would love to "comment" and "like" inline, like with the Realtime view.
- vijay
Yeah, inline comment and like would definitely be nice, but it was a quick prototype :). Also, it uses the unauthenticated APIs, so it can't comment or like right now.
- Paul Buchheit
Me likes big photos and Tumblr look!
- Robert Scoble
excellent post... prototype, prototype, prototype! live code early out of the gate is key.
- Susan Beebe
The rate of innovation in core FF so outpaces that of Twitter; I wonder if this philosophy plays a role. Anyway, it's pretty cool!
- Emil Sit
Very nice article, I think I'll try to prototype as much as I can, it's so much interesting than "powerpointing".
- Sebastien
Love this quote: 'if you want innovation, it's critical that people are able to work on ideas that are unapproved and generally thought to be stupid'
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
An issue I have had with my prototypes in the past is that some people would nitpick over the design, not-implemented-yet sections, or not fully implemented features. They miss the functionality of the prototype. I think I just need to build better prototypes. :)
- Alan Le
The prototype looks very similar to the real time view, I guess the ability to prototype with just an HTML file and JavaScript code is the real deal.
- Shakeel Mahate
Alan, maybe the problem was with your testers. It helps to have people who are experienced exploring new things. People who say "I don't get what this is good for" and keep exploring are the right testers. People who say "I don't get what this is good for" and give up tell you something, but aren't who you need at the beginning.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I hope you do the post you mentioned on 20% time -- and just know that lots of programmers will be using your post to try and convince their boss(es) of the value of it. I've been trying for too long.
- Chris Lamprecht
"More importantly, I wasn't the only one who found the ads surprisingly relevant. Suddenly, content targeted ads switched from being a lowest-priority project (unstaffed, will not do) to being a top priority project, an extremely talented team was formed to build the project, and within maybe six months a live beta was launched. Google's content targeted ads are now a big business with billions of dollars in revenue (I think)."
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Paul, what's your favorite prototyping language / tool / environment / architecture?
- Christopher Galtenberg
I disagree with almost every one of those suggestions. [edit] I'd prefer more, not less on the page. This person doesn't use hide much I guess. Likes allow me to find other people, white space is always appreciated and comments are value added. Again, don't like a title, hide it. It's just not that hard.
- AJ Kohn
Friends of friends represent huge potential value. I think getting rid of that mechanic would be a big mistake. Placing less emphasis on it than primary relationships makes sense.
- Patrick Pushor
The interface I never knew I wanted - but I totally do. Some really great points in there.
- Shawn Farner
+1 AJ. The first suggestion might be valid but others... no, no and no.
- Tapio Kulmala
@Robert: I'd be okay with the ability to select how many items showed up on the page (default to 5 for newbies), but forcing it at 5. No thanks. I prefer scrolling to clicking by page, particularly with the speed in which things change on FF. White space is necessary to ensure you CAN scan the page. And comments is where the gold is. This interface would essentially reduce it to a one line Title interface, right?
- AJ Kohn
+1 AJ The reason more lines are shown as well as people you don't "know" is to help you discover more people, more feeds, and more content.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
GreaseMonkey does have a script that allows you to filter by content, so I think that is a great idea to already have it in FF. However, the other three opinions, I don't agree with, like the others. You don't care if someone you don't know liked something? The great thing about "Like" is that people that is subscribed to this person can view your content, so you get more exposure. Why wouldn't you want this?
- Shevonne
I'm all for compressing more content into the scarce vertical space. I run FF in Firefox using almost all of the 1200 vertical pixels of my monitor, and it's still not enough. But there is a difference between times when you want discovery and times when you want efficiency, I'd find ways to improve the set up for both MOs.
- LogEx
If they had everything in a single line, the vertical scrolling would be ridiculous. Maybe FF can have an option for people to hide comments, and click a link to show them, if they prefer. Maybe something similar to the WP FriendFeed plugin.
- Shevonne
As somebody in the article comments already posted, you can already turn off friend of friend opinions. Maybe that option needs to be easier to find but I agree with all, keep it on by default.
- Patrick Pushor
It appears he wants to use FF primarily as a news/info feed from select people with no commentary. I thought part of the allure off FF was the social commentary. And it always annoys me when people are so dismissive about seeing stuff from people other than the ones they've personally selected. Seems rather snooty.
- ronin
I do disagree on de-emphasizing the people though, it is FriendFeed after all. I like to be able to easily see who made the post, via what service, the title, and a quick scan of the metadata.
- LogEx
@saeba Bang on. FF is all about the commentary. Any competing service can build an aggregator.
- Patrick Pushor
saeba - snooty? I see it as a headache bypass. There are some people that are a huge pain in the head to read on a regular basis and are out there posting as much as possible. I personally do not want to subject my head to that. Snooty, not at all.
- Renee Hendricks
Most of the things he doesn't like are things that make FF good. For example, showing a few comments can generate interest in the entry even if the title is uninteresting. Finding new people partially comes from being able to see the full list of who liked the entry. I have to agree with the weighting problem though, I complained about that the first week.
- xero
Interesting observations, although I don't feel there's any major problems with the FriendFeed UI. Although that's just my 2p.
- Tyson Key
@TK There are definitely problems with the UI. As a web savvy individual the first time I experienced FF I didn't get it. That shouldn't be. However, I am not versed enough in UI design to suggest much else.
- Patrick Pushor
saeba - I was just commenting on the "snooty" part. I'm very low on the "read me I'm popular" end of things and yet I find it necessary to hide a lot of Friends of stuff. Does it make me snooty? Hardly. Makes me headache free :D But, yes, that's what hide is for.
- Renee Hendricks
This from a guy that seemingly has never commented on any post other than his own and has made no (or few) direct FF posts. I somehow think he is missing something in the credibility department.
- Brian Sullivan
Went to read post and got this message "Error establishing a database connection". Worked when pressing Gray's links below.
- B2B Specialist
Sure, FF could (and will) make some improvements, but it's a pretty darn good UI as it is. I was slow to use Twitter and still don't that much. I never used traditional social sites that much, but "got" FF right away. Compared to any other social aggregation and discussion service, the FF UI is an order of magnitude better.
- LogEx
Every suggestion is bunk -- this is clearly not a serious user. Friend names *should* be the top item (this is, ahem, friend-feed). I do care who likes what -- I get to know people that way. A single line entry would be Google Reader -- thanks, I already have that option. Finally, if a title doesn't intrigue me, very often the comments do. +1 saeba, +1 xero
- Christopher Galtenberg
I really like the fact that FF shows you who liked what. If pure scannability is what you are after then just read FF from an RSS reader.
- barce
I have to say that I agree with a lot of what's already been said here about that article sounding like it came from someone that's not spent too much time in FF. I'll be honest and say that I have "friend of friend" off, and that it took me a while to realize how to do that. I think FF is great and a powerhouse of information if you know how to use it. Lets not remove that power to...
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- Matthew J Hendrickse
What barce said +1. Scanability is *not* the point of the main page. Social engagement is.
- Christopher Galtenberg
OK, link works now, and now I can comment on it. Mr. Porter, FriendFeed is not a feed reader. It allows the import of a bunch of feeds and could be used that way, but as you point out, the interface is not designed with that in mind foremost. The killer app of FriendFeed is that it is a centralized, customizable place to have conversations about almost any content. Trying to make FriendFeed like Google Reader (my assumption based on your post) will change the dynamic of what I believe is this killer app.
- Josh Haley
There are two major problems with Implementing his suggestions 1. Cluttered screen. 2. Increased need for mouse clicks to get to content. It should be go through serious testing before knowing which approach will give a better experience.
- Amit Morson
While I don't care for his suggestions personally, when I couple his ideas with Louis Gray's "Lite" idea, I think he's really on to something. If you want to go the "Lite" route, keep the initial interface as simple as possible, then let the user discover all of the features of the FriendFeed we know and love. Oh, you can see who liked this item? And you can see comments? And you can see things from friends of friends? Joshua is NOT using FriendFeed incorrectly; he's using it the way he wants to use it.
- Ontario Emperor
title here should read: "Uninteresting blog about what's right with friendfeed's interface". Sorry, Robert stop pumping links simply because you were mentioned in it. AJ nailed it in the second comment. Up next for this thread, what the author of this blog should learn to do on FF. HIDE.
- Carlos Ayala
This would be a cool little tweak - make links open in a 'new' tab.
- Jim Mitchem
I've solved most of the problems Joshua mentions by processing Friendfeed friend, room, list and search feeds through Google Reader. And I can absolutely guaranteee you that, using the GR interface, I can run circles around anyone using the FF interface in terms of grokking all the new FF activity in the areas of greatest interest to me (or any areas). Lightning-fast scanning and...
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- Sean McBride
Carlos, let's say that you put me behind the wheel of a NASCAR race car. Before I can drive the thing, I have to make a number of changes to the car to simplify it - "hide" this control, "hide" that control, etc. For newbie car drivers like me, why not come up with a model that's like a Honda Accord? If people insist that I'm using the NASCAR car incorrectly, then I'm not going to drive it at all - which is why more people use Twitter than FriendFeed. The firehose is not for everyone.
- Ontario Emperor
Sean, could you post a screenshot of your FriendFeed/GReader-based scanning solution?
- Ontario Emperor
OE makes a good point and an good analogy. How many of us circle the block in our cars for days, stopping every other time around to change the suspension settings?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
From a user interface standpoint, hiding items strikes me as extremely wrong. Not smart. Not efficient. I want to see the information that is most valuable to me with the least possible effort.
- Sean McBride
I wouldn't want a bunch of line items as if I'm reading email. I like seeing the comments and who has liked it. That is what makes me give an item with maybe a boring title another chance. One thing I would like is if my or my friends comments stood out a little better.
- Yolanda
Ontario: a single screenshot wouldn't capture my Google Reader view on Friendfeed. Anyone here can try this simple experiment: create a Friendfeed folder in GR, and add a few FF friend, room, list and search feeds. Be sure to include feeds for FriendFeedLinks, FFholic Most Discussed and Best of Day. You'll be able to rip through hundreds of items with the greatest of speed and...
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- Sean McBride
Sean, assuming the interface isn't omniscient, wouldn't the bare-bones case require you to add sources of information? And isn't that something users would be much less likely to do than Hide? I think the hide-based paradigm, while counter-intuitive, is more likely to lead to the success which is having just the right amount of feeds.
- Christopher Galtenberg
+1 Barce - yeah if the guy wants an RSS-feed pure list of his friends' content, just pull his feed it into Google Reader via RSS... then he can scan headlines all he wants, and he doesn't have to care about likes or comments...
- Nathan Chase
Christopher - you are correct that it takes a bit of effort to add FF feeds to GR, and probably requires more skill with feed management than most net users possess. We need a slick interface to expedite the process. But try this: go to Best of Day http://friendfeed.com/summary... and click on the RSS icon in the address bar. If you are already a GR user, you will be served up a...
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- Sean McBride
I discovered this post through GR, by the way.
- Sean McBride
I also use a Twitter folder in FF to cut through all the noise. From my bird's-eye view, FF and Twitter are just bundles of easily manipulable feeds.
- Sean McBride
Sean, that's actually a pretty brilliant idea, cause I always forget to check the "best of the day", so it would make for a good "news feed" to check, since most of the posts are important news/articles, or at the very least, important memes/social conversations among FF users
- Nathan Chase
Nathan: in my FF folder in GR I place FriendFeedLinks in the number one slot; FFholic Most Discussed in the second slot; and Best of Day in the third slot. It takes me less than five minutes a day to identify the most important new posts on FF as a whole. If I were unable to create this interface, I wouldn't bother using FF at all -- it would be a serious waste of time.
- Sean McBride
Sean: I'm subscribing to you based purely on my respect for your l33t news-reading skillz
- Nathan Chase
Wait a sec. Only 5 entries on the page? No way. I want more than now. I haven't got a problem with long lists. >100 entries on a page would be cool for me. I hate switching pages.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
More: I find the posts of certain FF users to be exceptionally valuable, like Anthony Citrano, Meryn Stoll, Paul Buchheit and Louis Gray. From my GR view, I can quickly see that user X has posted *number new posts. I can then click on a user's feed, scan the headings of all their new posts, and zoom in on the posts that strike me as most interesting. Viewing all their items as a single list/group gives me a much better conceptual understanding of their posts, without wading through torrents of noise.
- Sean McBride
More: my FF and Twitter folders in GR are nicely integrated with many other folders, all of which are prioritized by importance. I manage all these feeds under a single interface. My lead folder is Top 10 Feeds, and includes BreakingNewsOn, CNET News, FriendFeedLinks, Lifehacker, NYT - Breaking News, NYT - Technology, Slashdot, Yahoo! News: Mideast Conflict, Yahoo! News: Technology and Yahoo! News: Top Stories.
- Sean McBride
Sean - I'll bet your desk is clean too.
- Scott Maentz
Nathan - I've been strongly interested in optimizing my news-reading flow for several years now. This current setup that I've described is the best method for news reading I've discovered to date.
- Sean McBride
Scott - minimizing to the max, getting rid of clutter, streamlining, more bang for the buck, etc. is almost a religion for me. :) That is why I fell in love with the Google aesthetic from the first week that Google was released to the world.
- Sean McBride
Gabe - if I am in the middle of a hot discussion on FF, I simply click on http://friendfeed.com/seanmcb... to read and respond to the latest comments in near real time. But 95% of the really valuable posts on FF are captured in GR soon enough.
- Sean McBride
Sean - More power to you! I also love Google products and use them as exclusively as possible.
- Scott Maentz
I neglected to mention a key point: ALL the items of interest in ALL my feeds (including Friendfeed and Twitter) are easily searchable and retrievable from a single user interface: Google Reader. And if you star items of interest as you scan and read them, the search space is significantly narrowed. And I can forward any of these items as email, and tag them. What's not to like?
- Sean McBride
For all people who are noting that Google Reader items do not appear in realtime, it should be noted that most FriendFeed shares don't make it to the FriendFeed UI in realtime either. So it doesn't sound like you're losing much by using Google Reader as your FriendFeed interface. I'll experiment with Sean's system a bit and see what I think about it.
- Ontario Emperor
I would hate that interface. I don't agree with any of it. I love FoaF and if I don't want stuff from a certain user, I hide them. If I don't want a service showing up, I hide it.
- Mattie Kenny
The basic Friendfeed user interface is like logrolling or birling: I'll wager that most new users lose their balance quickly and fall off the log. I am a speed reader, and can absorb huge flows of text easily, but I can't begin to get a handle on the FF flow from the main page -- it's mostly random chaos. Surely this interface issue will continue to be a major obstacle to achieving...
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- Sean McBride
Gabe - check out the FriendFeedLinks feed http://friendfeedlinks.com/ Is it really important to see these items in real time? They are valuable to me within 24 hours or a week. The more one is distracted by trivial posts, the less one has time to focus on important posts.
- Sean McBride
I know this is a plug for my own code, but https://launchpad.net/myff (demo at can be seen in the iframe on the right at http://zzzen.jottit.com) tries to address such problems. Not exactly the *same* problems [and it shows my discussion stream (comments+likes) and not my "what's new" stream], but the code is there, and it's easy to add features. Feel free to use this with your own user name (e.g. http://myff.zzzen.webfactional.com/api...) as an iframe.
- ĎÚβĨŐÚŚ Dod
Ontario - try this experiment: add the feeds for your five favorite friends to a Google Reader Friendfeed folder. I think you will find that you will be able to track their new posts with much greater speed and ease than from Friendfeed. One is not equally interested in all the posts from one's favorite friends: GR makes it possible to find the most interesting posts with a quick scan down the list.
- Sean McBride
Dod: intriguing FF interface. But no features for starring, tagging, sharing, emailing, prioritizing and searching. Yes? No?
- Sean McBride
Some interesting comments but I don't agree with all. E.g. it's sometimes interesting to see who has "liked" a post as that might be someone I want to follow. However I do think there should be more options for hiding or compressing content as you choose
- Mark Warren
I'm pretty happy with the interface as it is. In fact, I think when you compare it to other social networking/sharing services like twitter, identi.ca, facebook, linkedin, etc... I think it wins hands down. The issues Joshua highlights seem trivial to me, and his recommendations might make the service less useful as Mattie noted above.
- Jim Hearts FF
I agree with the disagreers here. He obviously just wants a gReader with a Gmail UI and links to a (probably mostly unused) commenting feature (to put it bluntly..).
- Thomas Bøhm
@Sean persistent storage of MyFF is friendfeed itself, and the only way to change its content would be via posts, comments and likes. | I *could* keep some external info in a database at the app's server, but this would require user-auth, backups, etc. and spoil the "zero-admin" fun. | Search I can [and should] do, so you'd "tag" by saying [e.g.] tag-widget (like I just did) and then search for it. | An "item to top" cheat is to delete and re-add one of my own comments (only works for discussion feed)
- ĎÚβĨŐÚŚ Dod
An interesting list, but I'm sure if those changes were made that new ones would spring up. The 100% perfect interface will never likely come.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
I responded on josh's blog. He's a smart guy who actually did the first iteration of Grazr's home page. Unfortunately the problem is not the interface. It's what *is* friendfeed. He starts the argument with a supposition of what it is, and that's *not* what FriendFeed is to me (or I gather a lot of other people).
- mikepk
That certainly got the discussion going. What this tells me is that there needs to be several (three would be the best number) different pre-configured default types of FF that are easy to find for new users. Provide an icon in the left sidebar that goes to a page that offers the three options with descriptions on how each benefits users. Then let them easily toggle between them so they can pick what they like best without having to know how to alter defaults or know anything more.
- Internet Strategist
@Strategist, that's one way to approach it, but it dillutes your efforts. It also makes the interface more confusing, not less for initial users. It also means you have to figure out what the default is, as a large percentage of people will never explore beyond a default configuration. Everything has a tradeoff.
- mikepk
choice is good,..but too much choice is bad. regarding the OP i disagree completely with all of his "ideas". i def want to see who liked what. i often feel interested in ppl that like things based on topics. all this screen estate talk bash is silly too. the way FF is structured right now makes it possible for each topic to look the same no matter how much text it contains aso. what i would like to see improved is comment rating as @DIGG and filtering. its essential to sort out spammers.
- Chris Hofmann
The post was obviously satire, since he titled it "modest" suggestions for updating FriendFeed, and because his suggestions are clearly chosen to be shocking and wrong.
- Joshua Allen
Dod - there is a great deal of FF material sitting on Google's servers now, and easily accessible through GR's search interface. In fact, material that has been deleted from FF is still available on GR.
- Sean McBride
Joshua, I'm assuming that comment was intended to be saitire. :) I've met josh, I think his suggestions where legit, although it may have been to just spark conversation.
- mikepk
Another intriguing data point, Josh's blog has 17 comments at the moment. On FriendFeed this share has way more than that and is "liked by over 100 people. So again, what is the *purpose* of FriendFeed, what *is* it. That is the hard question.
- mikepk
"So again, what is the *purpose* of FriendFeed, what *is* it. That is the hard question." - Is it? "History" is full of examples of products that were created for one purpose, but were more useful doing something else. FF started as an RSS aggregator - it's evolving based on how we use it.
- John Craft
FF is a powerful vortex that is going to suck in all the blog commentary in the world. :) Maybe not too much an exaggeration. The interface as its stands blows away all the blog comment interfaces out there, in my opinion.
- Sean McBride
@mikepk: I wouldn't be so sure. I subscribe to Josh's blog as well, but the usage of the word "modest" in a proposal hearkens back to Swift's famous "modest proposal". He left some big red flags in there, like pretending to forget that people have mouse wheels.
- Joshua Allen
Yes, all SM is in a major state of flux. And perhaps it will always be that way. Making *it* whatever *you* want *it* to be.
- Jim Mitchem
Thanks for the comments on my post, everyone. I should have made it more clear that I'm not suggesting Friendfeed get rid of its social features...that would reduce the service to a mere feed reader. I completely agree that those features help make FF what it is. What I am suggesting is that in the current design I think they could be presented more efficiently, and as a result I find it hard to scan to find good content quickly.
- Joshua Porter
Yes, it is a hard question. If its use is evolving, and it's not based on it's initial conception (which, you're right, is the norm rather than the exception) then answering that question in the contest of trying to make interface design decisions *is* excruciatingly difficult. you're left with a) leave it alone and allow the evolution to continue b) try to formulate what it is to give users a better experience of *that*. Scoble and Josh have a different use pattern than I do, and probably you do.
- mikepk
"answering that question in the contest of trying to make interface design decisions *is* excruciatingly difficult." - I think the answer is to make the interface more configurable. Create your own style in the same way you create a WordPress theme or a date format - using defined components, and styling them individually.
- John Craft
John, but the more configurable you make it, the more confusing it becomes for users. I've been at this for almost three years now. It's counter-intuitive but the more options you give someone to tailor their experience the more likely they are to choose *none of the above*. Simplicity suffers greatly when you can't answer that fundamental question of what you *are*.
- mikepk
Again - as with any media, it is what YOU make it. Except of course if you subscribe to cable, in which case you get what they give you and pay for it through the nose. My point is that if the medium is in place, and it's pliable, we each use it to our individual preferences. That's why FF will not ever go away - but continue to morph into a highly user-friendly interface that will continue to attract users because of its concatenation/aggregation features. Duh. ;)
- Jim Mitchem
Friendfeed has a UI, I'd just a burned-in green screen away from being a Univax Server. Useful? Yes, but elegant and pretty?
- Matthew DeVries
Here's a simple thought experiment, imagine a poll of the people commenting in this tread "what's the one user interface change you would make that would most improve your experience of FriendFeed". If you didn't get 100 different answers I'd be surprised. That's the hard part.
- mikepk
imo, the point of Josh's post is that for the casual observer, FF looks intimidating. As frivolous as it sounds, 'Appearance' and how the UI is organized *is the most important touchpoint* for the consumer. As it stands now, many just don't have the time nor the inclination to tackle the steep learning curve FF requires--there are just too many demands on attention online. Another barrier to entry, which Josh didnt raise, are the confusing account settings which could be better described w/bubble help.
- Lee Hsieh
"the more configurable you make it, the more confusing it becomes for users." True - but with a "standard" format (like this one), or a few to choose from, it doesn't have to be. Let new users start with something pre-determined, then migrate to their own custom skin if/when they're ready.
- John Craft
Having FoAF defaulted does seem to cause confusion - though it helped me, personally. But if a person is too lazy to scroll, that's not FriendFeed's problem. Sometimes the headline is irrelevant, but the convo contains more valuable information. If I wanted to see headlines from pre-selected people, I would go to Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Lee, good point. There are a lot of competing requirements. Further complicating these kinds of discussions are things like the initial user experience. It's like a variant of the old engineering adage, you can have it intuitive and simple, powerful, or efficient but you can only pick two to optimize. :)
- mikepk
Here's something 'right' about FF UI, the 'open in mini-window' live stream. Very cool.
- Jim Mitchem
For those who caught Sean McBride's comments earlier about using Google Reader to find interesting FriendFeed content, I *did* give it a try and have taken a couple of screen shots. 1 of 2 (with associated discussion) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ontario Emperor
And, as Sean noted, such a system is purported to help you locate things easier. So if you're now interested in Yolanda's item (the one at the bottom), it's here. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ontario Emperor
I don't know why people are interested in making FF a walled garden. FF remains one of the most enjoyable means of content discovery for me. I think it's something less without FOAF. I would make it a toggle feature on account creation, but not remove it. I'm constantly finding relevant new people through the feature. I think the interface is the strong point - FF is not Google Reader or Gmail - as it's conversation oriented, hence long threads (though for people wanting aggregation *only*, I see the point)
- Mo Kargas
Ontario - nice work on the screenshots. Do you notice now that you can view comments and likes from GR? And that it usually takes no more clicks to uncompress comments for the original FF page from GR than from FF itself? One click on "*number more comments" in GR will drop you into the middle of the discussion stream on Friendfeed, with all comments uncompressed.
- Sean McBride
Hmm... quickly glancing at my GR subscriptions list I see 2 new posts from Patricia, 1 new post from Paul Buchheit, 2 new posts from Veselka, 24 new posts from Dave Winer, etc. A few clicks exposed the lists of new items to view, and I found six items worth clicking through to. All now marked as read, and no need to see again. That was really fast. Knowledge garnered. Desk cleared.
- Sean McBride
So he just wants to turn it into filtered feed reader where only the A-list really gets a look in? What utter bollocks. The strength of FriendFeed is in its social interaction and sharing across the service. Note to Paul Buchheit: please don't do any of these.
- Duncan Riley
@duncan: sounds like you're saying that he's missing the "friend" part of FriendFeed...
- .LAG liked that
This entry had so many comments it would open up in the home feed btw
- Tyler (Chacha)
I guess I disagree with the premise that FF is not supposed to be a firehose. It was a point made by both @Scobleizer and @LeoLaporte in the first seconds of the newest TWiT that FF is supposed to be a firehose. You only pay attention to it when you're looking at it. You step in to it, get your skin ripped off. Then go about your day. There's already readers and such out there that refine the content for you, FriendFeed is about realtime content creation. It only needs the eyes that are on it to run.
- Matthew DeVries
And those eyes aren't necessarily yours. You don't sit down to FriendFeed to catch up on a damn thing, you look it to see what is going on now as everything in it whips around and past you.
- Matthew DeVries
You can't review history... just too much of it has happened. What this type of medium is going to become is a way to take stuff that interests you, and is currently happening, and being fine if you miss some of it
- Tyler (Chacha)
I love the fact that Friendfeed will take the 'likes' of people I subscribe to and give them to me, 435 people can't cover/write/create it all.
- Tyler (Chacha)
+1 Matthew. I like the fire hoseness of FF. The other great function is to zero in on one friend and see what he/she is up to. That was probably the original intention. The social media blast is a cool side benefit.
- Seth Gottlieb
@mikepk dilutes how? I agree that most never change the defaults and get confused which is precisely why I suggest that we offer new users a choice of three "views" with suggestions based on how they want to use FF.
- Internet Strategist
@Chris Hofmann Yes, too many choices cause indecision. That is why it needs to be two or at most three and there has to be a VERY simple suggestion on which someone should pick. Otherwise some won't do anything.
- Internet Strategist
Ok... I'm not trying to be snippy - and I think discussing how to make FF better is great... but for the love of (name your deity) can we stop the friggin' navel gazing. Things evolve... let's give it some time to do that and stop posting on this thread... jeeeezzzzzzz
- Brian Roy
I didn't entirely agree - I like the layout and seeing comments/likes from new people, too
- Sarah Perez
I think Friendfeed would be better off focusing on the functionality over the UI. 3rd parties can deal with changing the UI, but adding functionality like Track/Block can't be done by anyone but FF
- Tyler (Chacha)
I'd like to correct that last statement .. Track/Block can't be done 'well' by anyone by FF. Because 3rd parties can do it, but probably FF could do it better
- Tyler (Chacha)
what a great time to be a FriendFeed developer -- recent tips from power users like Scoble, Gray, and other interesting tidbits like this one. They have so much input now, I wonder what direction they'll take next?
- Pete Delucchi
I wish there were a way I could tell FF to give me only the comments of people in my network when there's a huge number like this...as long as we're making a wish list.
- Rae21
This entry has so many comments it won't open up without me navigating to its page. Grrr
- Tyler (Chacha)
Yeah, Looks like Robert Scoble is a firehose. :) I'm new here. I don't think I'll be friending him.
- Rae21
Rae21: that is pretty smart! But I am looking for great items for you. Just build a new list. Call it "noisy asshole" or something like that. Then add me to that list.
- Robert Scoble
I felt a little guilty about commenting because I didn't want to take up too much vertical space. Sue me.
- Robert Peña
-1. The name is "FriendFeed", not "Firehose". The people are just as important as the feed. Don't lose that, or the mechanisms which promote discovery of new ppl.
- Nick Lothian
To be fair, I saw the sale notice buried in one of the threads on FriendFeed about Twiply, figured it warranted a top-level post about it.
- Mark Trapp
i saw a bunch of prominent tweeple tweet about this service earlier today, and i guess those endorsements triggered lots of others to sign-up without stopping to consider what was going on..."meme-think" at its worst.
- .LAG liked that
I changed my twitter password. But the bastards have my email. Oh well.
- Jim Williams
Nope, sure didn't. Nothing in my Twitter stream is important enough for me to care. But yeah, they are shady.
- Bwana ☠
Have any journalists/bloggers actually tried contacting them to get their viewpoint?
- trextor
trextor: it's hard to contact a guy who doesn't have contact information. The only identifiable information is on the whois record for Twply.com, which may or may not actually correspond to an actual person. That being said, if you look at Twply's Twitter account or the comment it left on http://scobleizer.com, the person running Twply doesn't think it's done anything wrong, at least...
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- Mark Trapp
Mike Doeff: Thanks. For those looking for contact info, since twply appears to be connected to twautor which is an aka for tweetmanager, you can find a contact person very quickly and easily for tweetmanager - "Bill McIntosh TweetManager.com Founder http://www.billmcintosh.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/billmci..."
- Renee Hendricks
Mark - Thanks for the heads up. Was bound to happen sooner or later ?!
- Charlie Anzman
Totally agree Liam. Maybe I am just getting lazy, but the console gaming experience is much more convenient for me - I haven't bought a PC game since I got my Xbox 4 years ago, and I haven't missed it at all.
- Jeff Smith
Very good advice, Thomas. A comment on no. 6 ("Groups"): I remember Flickr staff mentioning that not only photos that are in too many groups (more than 10-15, as a rule of thumb) get penalties for their Explore rating. Allegedly, this is also true for photos that are in the *wrong* groups, specifically the ubiquitous "post 1, comment x" groups. So not all photo critique groups might be good when you want to get your pictures into Explore.
- Ole Begemann
Ole, I hadn't heard that certain groups penalized photos but have seen Flickr staff in the past mention that posting your photo to too many groups will reduce it's visibility with their algorithm.
- Thomas Hawk
Re: no. 5 ("Explore"): more criteria that seem to influence whether a photo makes it to Explore: the presence of EXIF data, geotags, title, description has a positive influence; faves and comments from people who are not among your contacts seem to count more than from contacts; faves and comments from popular photographers count more than those from nobodys; a photo that gets 2 or 3 faves within minutes after uploading is more likely to make Explore than one that gets faved 15 times within 24 hours.
- Ole Begemann
Thomas, I'll try to find a reference for this.
- Ole Begemann
Good point on EXIF data Ole, yes, photos in Explore are required to have EXIF data. My own guess as to why this is is that if a photo has EXIF data it is more likely to be your own photo vs. something you simply ripped from the web. Not foolproof of course but I'd guess that this policy is in part due to a desire to increase the authenticity of the photos promoted on Explore.
- Thomas Hawk
If you look at the photos in Explore, the only "Leave a comment" groups that I see with any regularity are TWTME and 1-2-3 groups... what makes them special I'm not sure, other than they're amongst the largest groups in general. But you see very few of those award groups or "leave x comments" groups in the photos in Explore, so I suspect that Flickr must be penalizing them.
- Eric P
Thomas, that's a great refresher on the original article. Some great tips.
- Tom Quinn
And Thomas, throwing reciprocation in as a "bonus"? It should have been #1 or #2. The vast, vast, vast majority of comments and faves that I receive are from people whose stream I previously visited. The only real exception to that is when a photo is high in Explore, which results in a torrent of views/comments/faves from strangers.
- Eric P
Yep Eric. Reciprocation is very high. Bonus tip might not be the best place for it. It's very important. Faving back when people fave your work, commenting back. Adding people back as mutual contacts, etc. All encourage activity on your photostream.
- Thomas Hawk
Eric, participation groups don't penalize your photo from Explore best I can tell. This photo http://www.flickr.com/photos... from a few weeks ago was in the Deleteme Uncensored critique group and was #3 on Explore as well.
- Thomas Hawk
In fact just searching flickr for the save10 tag from the DMU critique group along with "explore" brings up a number of photos: http://www.flickr.com/search...
- Thomas Hawk
Good post, *IF* getting attention is important to you, as opposed to using it as a vehicle to just share photos with people
- Eric Rice
After I read your original article on Flickr popularity a while back, I began reciprocating every comment received. That worked very well.
- Tom Harrison
Eric, true. Some people have no interest in their photos receiving attention. I do think that the majority of people posting on Flickr though do appreciate when their photos receive some attention. Lots of people do not though. I have friends that only publish private photos that their friends can see and opt out of every public aspect of Flickr. I think these people though are the exception rather than the norm and think that Caterina's quote is pretty typical of the most active users on the site.
- Thomas Hawk
Alright, I found something. Flickr staff member acknowledged almost 2 years ago that "groups that force people to comment/fave on certain photos with no choice" do in fact hurt your Explore chances. Also, "weight of comments and favorites from contacts is quite low in interestingness calculation." (http://www.flickr.com/groups...). A very old post and the algorithm has changed since then but we can probably say that the gist of it is still true.
- Ole Begemann
interesting Ole. I hadn't seen that. I think it would be difficult for Flickr to manually track every group that encourages tags and comments as participation. Per the links above though, photos in DMU have definitely made it into Explore anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, I have no idea how they maintain a list of the "bad" groups. Further below, SilentObserver mentions his business is writing algorithms to filter them out automatically, though.
- Ole Begemann
Here is an example of tagging. I did not know this woman was a celebrity until after got this shot. It appears on the first page of the image search engines and it has received over 12,000 views. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
So far I got 3 (!) photos into explore. Their common factor? They all were faved by you (TH) soon after I posted theim.
- Guillaume Lemoine
Flickr used to say "who" faves your shots was a part of the Explore algorithm. It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm weights faves by different people from the Flickr community differently. For instance, Pro accounts where people actually have paid for the service might be weighted higher than non-Pro accounts. More active users might carry more weight with their faves then less active users. Just speculating on this part.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas - I don't think that participation in all groups gets a penalty, just that there are some groups that are penalized as far as Explore is concerned. I simply don't see Explore photos in "Post 1, Comment X" groups - so either there's no explore-worthy photos in those groups (not likely IMHO), or Flickr is penalizing the photos in those groups.
- Eric P
As a note to certain groups penalizing your photos...I had a photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos...) that went to explore spot 150 or so. After, I added it to a few groups to see if I could bump it higher. It had the opposite affect and immediately dropped off. I can't say which group exactly did it or if it was the number of groups I submitted to, but adding to groups definitely does come with some sort of penalty.
- Justin Korn
If you use FeedBurner, you can splice your Flickr photos into your blog feed. I have it splice my last two photos and I find those have at least 5x the number of views as the ones that aren't in my spliced feed.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Awesome post Thomas. I signed up for Flickr a couple of years ago, but only started using it more regularly after the purchase of a digital SLR camera - so this post is particularly relevant to me. I am still patiently waiting for that first comment/favourite on one of my photos to truly experience the emotions as described by Caterina Fake.
- Jeff Smith
Thanks for this post, Thomas. Great tips!
- Eric Johnson
Great article Thomas... I was also wondering about what my friend calls 'Shooting for the 75'. That is, a great majority of people only ever see a 75 x 75px thumbnail of your photo. When he processes, he always does a square crop to test how it looks in the frame. Would you like to see proportional thumbnails as an option?
- Johnny Worthington
I actually really like the square thumbnails. Heck I really like the square crop period. I think I'm cropping more and more of my photos 4x4 these days. Maybe it's just that I've always loved medium format photography so much, not sure why I'm so drawn to the square crop right now though. I much prefer Flickr's square thumbnails actually. Still would love to see larger sizes on FF like SmugMug's thumbnails.
- Thomas Hawk
you're right though. Frequently it's the thumbnail that draws people into a photo. A good looking thumbnail is more likely to be selected by viewers for clicking through to full size viewing, commenting, faving, etc.
- Thomas Hawk
One of my very first Flickr experiences was someone in a critique group cutting me down for a square crop. It was a rose in a perfect spiral petal pattern, could only be cropped square as far as I was concerned. LOL...I didn't change it either.
- Karoli
Haha, that's funny Karoli. so much of the criticism in critique groups on Flickr is so lame. You should have seen the deleteme critique group ravage a Henry Cartier Bresson photograph who is probably considered by most photo historians as the greatest photographer who ever lived. Read some of these comments on this photo for a laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I used to work to get photos into explore. I think I probably take better pictures now, but I don't have the time at the moment to put in the work. Lots of community building and commenting went into the mix. I confess, there's a real rush to hitting the front page. I had three in the top 10, and it was a lot of fun.
- Karoli
I have been doing a lot of panoramic shots over the past year and I have started to play around with vertical cropping. Taking a portrait photo and cropping a really tight vertical crop: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It's all about how the picture looks to you in the end. Square, circle or hexagon, it's about the sensory reaction :) (and now I'm going to square crop for this week just to try it out, thanks guys)
- Johnny Worthington
Thomas, those comments are a hoot! I met some nice people in some of the critique groups, but it didn't take me long to know the critiques weren't helping. I do love Flickr's community...even if I haven't spent a lot of time in it lately.
- Karoli
yeah, the attention from Explore can be fun. But I'm pretty unimpressed with a lot of the photos there. I think Flickr could do a much better job with that algorithm. I do find filtering explore just by my contacts though produces more consistently interesting photographs for me. I use this script to do just that: http://www.drewmyersphoto.net/flickr_...
- Thomas Hawk
Agree on the photo quality on Explore. Seems like a lot of the same sort of gimmicky stuff lands there. Looking forward to trying the script.
- Karoli
Thanks for the article, that opened my eyes up a lot
- Alex Carpenter
Hey Karoli, here's you and your daughter by the way. I uploaded this to Zooomr a while back when I was taking a break from Flickr but uploaded it tonight on Flickr. Great fun on that photowalk. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
Hey, cool! Thanks for the pointer. It was a great photowalk, would love to do another sometime soon!
- Karoli
Here is one more way to get attention: Comment on this post with a link to one of your photos. I received a hit today from the comment about. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
Awesome !! Twhirl on steroids. TweetDeck enables users to split their main feed (All Tweets) into topic or group specific columns allowing a broader overview of tweets. The default columns can contain All Tweets from your timeline, @replies directed to you and direct messages. The GROUP, SEARCH and REPLIES buttons then allow the user to make up additional columns populated from the live tweet information. Once created these additional columns will automatically update allowing the user to keep track of a twitter threads far easier.
- SnakeDoc
Twetdeck does not support to tradional Chinese, 繁體中文,too. But it has good link of twitpic and other service, including "search" of twitter.
- borghrose
from Alert Thingy
Except--unless I'm missing something--the groups don't persist. If you close that column, or Tweetdeck entirely, that group is, *poof*, gone. I really like groups, but I got burned creating one over the course of several hours off and on, went to a meeting (shutting down my laptop, and Tweetdeck with it of course), and late found my group was nowhere to be found. Sucky. Persistence is surely on a to-do list, tho... can't wait.
- abacab
I'd still like a Friendfeed version of Tweetdeck, too, of course...
- abacab
I like Twhirl, but it's no Tweetdeck. Twhirl isn't a very good FFeed client for me...and I prefer Tweetdeck for Twitter over Twhirl anymore anyway, too. I prefer Tweetdeck's breakout of columns, allowing me to organize queries, watch replies, and...track groups, all in one large dashboard-style view. Just want it for Friendfeed now, to watch lists and rooms and all that, in that same large at-a-glance dashboard view.
- abacab
Was buggy at first but just came back to the latest version a few days ago and it is awesome!
- Andy Lewandowski
One feature I'd recommend to developers, sync option of the groups with different computers. So I don't have to create my groups on every computer I use.
- Ozkan Altuner
I'm a convert. They also fixed that bug that kept moving people into the wrong groups
- anna sauce
i've used twwetdeck for a while - it's the best twitter client period. performance has greatly improved as well
- Sean Scott
Ok I am twhirl user and I use Twhirl for Twitter and FF. Can you provide me an aggregator for the Friendfeed conponent to replace FF?
- Ian Cleasby
from twhirl
Been using TweetDeck for a couple weeks now and I'm loving it so far.
- Karl Gookey
Yep for twitter alone no client I have tried can beat it. How ever it will soon need new features again to stay in front of browser based options being released. Perhaps multiple accounts like is available with twhirl would be a step forward. I would also commend @iaindodsworth for the great support he provides users on twitter with tweetdeck issues.
- Twittergator
Do u include peoplebrowsr in your comparison?
- Tokyo Dan
Great application that has been tested.
- Tim FitzGerald
Being using it all day. More user friendly than Twhirl - just need a Friendfeed equal (even Twhirl did Friendfeed).
- David Bisset (sn)
I'm with you, David. You cares about Twitter? I want this for Friendfeed...
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
This growing list of backwards policies is already creating a sense of digital isolation: Canadians can’t stream the videos Americans stream, download the files Americans download, remix the media Americans remix, or tweet the way Americans tweet.
- Ken Morley
MG: you can also embed a real-time feed for a room in other web pages, so you can embed a real-time view for your next liveblog event (we thought of you when enabling that feature).
- Bret Taylor
Amazingly awesome. If friendfeed were a person I'd have the hugest crush on it.
- EricaJoy
gotta say it's immensely satisfying to use the share bookmarklet in one page and see it pop up instantly on the mini window
- Karl Rosaen
Time to watch FriendFeed scroll on ... and on ... and on ...
- Great Scott!
It probably does make a person more likely to post a comment or reply, because you know the other person just posted what you're commenting about. Shorten the feedback loop, increase the throughput...
- Ranjit Mathoda
Nice work guys. You've re-invented crack.
- Ryan Kuder
Yah, chasing the comment link is annoying. I am working on something for that now. The update rate was not exactly this high during a lot of our testing ;)
- Bret Taylor
Am I missing how to embed the realtime somewhere?
- Ryan Kuder
to keep congruence with the normal page, i'd like to see 'likes' show up here too
- Karl Rosaen
can u imagine the redraws if that were the case? I was thinking about this myself and it seemed a good idea till I actually implemented it.
- Prolific Programmer
yeah, i suppose so, glad to hear it was tried out (i assume u work at ff?). maybe 'most liked' graph on the side or something that would update as the votes came in... or not
- Karl Rosaen
Is there a way to just watch one persons feed in realtime? not their friends just them.
- Shawn McCollum
I have to respectfully say I'm not a fan. While I suppose it could be interesting for live blogging, etc... I'm a proponent of thoughtfulness over speed and quantity. We already have enough twittering in the world, enough 24-hour live news coverage. We don't need to know more sooner. We need to understand more better.
- Adam Lasnik
But wait, how do I flip it? I want new things to arrive on the bottom, like in all my other chat clients. I have a much easier time reading from top to bottom. (Also, can it auto-pause when I'm not scrolled to the live end of the feed? And if not, can the pause button stay in view when I scroll?)
- j1m
I didn't see the real-time update here,maybe my office computer is too slow,or maybe it is the issue with IE6.
- Steve Chou
Now it is working,and it is awesome...
- Steve Chou
Also, why no list of accumulated Likes? And I miss the More button. (As you can tell, I'm completely addicted.)
- j1m
I like this. But I really would like a view for a specific user WITH likes and comments all together. I want to integrate this on my blog, defacto to make it my blog. But without my likes it's missing something.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Mine doesn't seem to be updating... is it possible it can only handle a couple of feeds at a time. The room I'm embedding probably has 3 or 4 dozen feeds. I know it's gotta update more often than once an hour. Ugh.
- Patrick Yaeger
From io9: "Set your hibernation unit to wake you on Friday, Jan. 16 at 10 PM. That's when the final batch of Battlestar Galactica episodes premieres on the Sci Fi Channel, meaning the series will end on Friday, March 20 according to EW's Michael Ausiello. The final ten episodes will be at least eleven hours, and possibly a bit more, says Chicago Tribune's Maureen Ryan, who has created a BSG countdown widget."
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
like Duncan says - EPIC FAIL ... hulu needs to wake up to the modern internet .. you know - that global electronic world we all like to play in (keyword being global)
- Steven Hodson
Steve, even if we accept they have limitations on shows, there's ZERO excuse here with political content. It's bollocks, complete and utter bollocks.
- Duncan Riley
I've been thinking of subscribing for some time; your excellent use of the word 'bollocks' sealed the deal for me.
- Aaron Krug
Aaron, nice to have you on board, and reciprocate as well. Bollocks is actually a word I need to use less of...particularly in posts :-)
- Duncan Riley
If you're interested in watching Hulu from outside the US there has been much success from something called the "HotSpot Shield" http://www.google.com/search...
- Brandon
Brandon, we use it on abc.com at times when the Silicon Valley funded Chinese hosting sites have issues :-)
- Duncan Riley
just a footnote on this: I hate the fact that FF has placed this entry as a related entry on a comment I made directly on the blog. It should be the OTHER way around
- Duncan Riley
I gave up on Hulu after trying three times and striking out (from Canada).
- David Muir
@Sprague but I wasn't slamming Microsoft :)
- Steven Hodson
@Hutch it's been flaky all day .. one minute it fine ... then I'll get the error .. wait a sec and refresh and it's back .. next refresh it might be gone again or it might not .. trying to get a hold of support to find out WTF is going on
- Steven Hodson
Like everything else, it's the way you look at it. I see it as an action statement: "Don't count us out." ...even if I'm a Mac person. ha!
- Mona Nomura
Mmmmm Error establishing a database connection
- Denis
@Denis yes I know but it seems if you wait a second or two and try a refresh it comes back - I'm on the wire with hosting (idiots) support to get it fixed
- Steven Hodson
Steven, talk about irony -- your post is about knee-jerk Microsoft hate and I just assumed it was more of the same because I'm so used to people slamming them. Good post.
- Sprague D
MS bashing has all the marks of peer pressure among the tech blog industry. If you like Vista or think MS is doing something good then you don't get to be one of those cool, rebellious Mac folks. I am all for people using whatever OS they enjoy and are comfortable with but the knee jerk mindless Vista / MS bashing just makes some writers look like idiots... but they are idiots with massive page ranks :)
- Soulhuntre
damn, I find myself agreeing with Soulhuntre. And I use Vista. Yikes. Time to retire from the tech blogging business.
- Robert Scoble
Soulhuntre, more irony -- those who pontificate from inside their iBubble have next to nothing to say to the vast majority of tech consumers. The first big name tech blogger who bucks the trend and breaks out of the narrow niche they inhabit will gain more audience than they can imagine. Talk about serving an unmet need.
- Sprague D
@Sprague Personally I think that the average person doesn't care about technology, they just want a magic box that gives them free videos, porn, vijda games, a way to talk to their friends and occasionally bitch about movies. Other than that they could care less about who makes it or how it works (or doesn't).
- Sam Levine
Sam, I agree average users are not any tech blogger's target. I'm talking about the millions of technical people who use Microsoft OSs and non-Apple smartphones whose needs and interests are not represented in the tech blogosphere nearly enough in proportion to their numbers.
- Sprague D
Happy Birthday FriendFeed! (nice cupcake and balloons!) Sorry I won't be at the party, but sending love from Inc. and Fast Company's headquarters in NYC.
"FriendFeed's turning one! A year ago today, Bret, Jim, Paul and Sanjeev put our site and service out there and invited some folks. Soon, more people joined—as users, coworkers and friends. The rest, as they say, is history. Although not particularly ancient history."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
It's been a year already? Blimey. Happy Birthday!
- Tony Ruscoe
Congrats. Trumpets and blowguns to get the rest of us non-FF slimes. Still have those weapons handy. +1 DeWitt, bring in some gears! Got some nice design in mind. +1 Shivanand and the like, how come it never existed before is beyond my understanding, that's how web services win I suppose. Great foundation to build for the future of 'social media'.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Happy Birthday, FriendFeed! Looking forward to your next 10 years : )
- Jess Lee
Thank you for building my home on the web... Was waiting for a long time. Worth it :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Congratulations Friendfeed and Happy Birthday to you!!!
- AJ Batac
I <3 ff! Thanks so much for providing such a great community of wonderful people and great information. :-)
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Happy Happy Birthday Friendfeed, best of luck for the future!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday dear FF, Happy Birthday to you...and many more!!
- Admiral70
CONGRATULATIONS... It has taken me most of the year to figure out how to use and make the most of friendfeed, and now dont' want to live without it....
- amelia arapoff
FriendFeed helped me achieve my first Google PR5 ranking
- Glenn Batuyong
YEAH!!! Congratulations FriendFeed!! What an amazing and productive first year...very impressive!! So happy for you guys!! Thank you Robert for reminding us of their birthday and to appreciate their product!!
- Susan Beebe
Thank you FriendFeed, Robert Scoble and everyone else that has made FF the useful and entertaining tool that it is!
- David Ward
I must thank the Twitter outages for pushing me here.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
I look forward to seeing how FF moves forward, very good service, thanks to Paul and the team for their hard work creating a very useful utility.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
FriendFeed is so useful that I don't even know what I'd do without it. Congrats on completing your 1st year FF!!
- J. D. Ebberly
Wow, its hard to believe that FF is already a year old.
- Josh Smith
It took you almost a year to get me onto friendfeed? Dude, WTF?
- Alex Scoble
I predict that I will be unemployed by this time next year if my first month's activity on FF is any indciation of what the next year will bring. :D I joke. I think.
- ♥patricia♥
Shannon: that wasn't even the private beta. That was the "are you a sibling of Bret beta," of which you were the only participant :)
- Bret Taylor
when we were programming the electric scroll in our high school cafeteria some stoners asked us to put 'Satan is Lord' on it; being geeks we chose to enter 'Drol Si Natas' instead, and it is still a catch phrase between that friend and I
- RAPatton
google still has the coolest founders. Re: Android launch: "Sergey wrote an app that lets you throw phone up in the air, measure how many seconds until you catch it or it hits the floor."
BTW, won't that also tell you how high you threw the phone, assuming you're throwing it straight up...
- David Sifry
from twhirl
but when it hits the floor and shatters, how will you get the data?! better call in Geek Squad.
- MG Siegler
@Chris, I think accelerometers measure acceleration, and there's no change in acceleration at the top of the throw. (Then again, I made it to class exactly once during three quarters of physics in college.)
- Jim Norris
A must app. Even though that it is crazy…funny *smile*.
- ivanandersson
Of course there is acceleration during the throw... constant acceleration.
- Mario Romero
That is so cool. Someone write this for the iPhone, please. Though whether I would actually throw my iPhone in the air is another question entirely.
- Roberto Bonini
I once left my phone on my car's roof. I wonder if this app could be hacked to prevent that (or at least prevent me from driving off) :-)
- John μller
Great app... should incrementally increase phone sales as people smash their phones and have to replace them.
- Jason Carreira
Jason: I think that is the point: I'm beting I can throw my iPhone higher than you can throw your G1.
- Roberto Bonini
We are in the process of transitioning our servers this afternoon to accommodate the new feature, so there may be a hiccup or two in the meantime :)
- Bret Taylor
I'm wondering how it decides which entry to show and which to collapse.
- Andrew Trinh
really cool... it's working now :) Is there any kind of priorities? Like FF entries take priority over Blogs, etc.. or is it first come, first served?
- Tim Hoeck
hmm. first off, I <3 friendfeed. But I am kinda sad to see it go the way of all software getting more and more popular, it gets more and more complicated. I love the elegant simplicity of the V1 and hope that you guys can continue to improve the service and features while still maintaining the "light" and simple feel. I know we all struggle with it, but with every V2 product release I'm reminded of this general pattern in SW design.
- Jenna Bilotta
I don't get how the duplicate feed works. If you look at the feed items for the two stories attached to this story, they don't have related links. Do they only show up on the home feed? Or does only the first story get the related links section?
- Mark Trapp
The entry with the most recent discussion activity goes on top.
- Bret Taylor
we don't need to use beta anymore :) new feature is totally awesome. thanks guys.
- Baturalp Torun
(channelling corvida ...) awesomesauce!
- Rob Diana
Better of discussion activity, having being put in the related entries will definitely kill that.
- Andrew Trinh
Bret, awesome. Any chance of seeing this feature in contexts other than the main feed, like on profile pages and rooms?
- Mark Trapp
What's the time length for dupe aggregation? A day? A week? A month? All time?
- AJ Kohn
The feature will go live in profile pages and rooms soon. Rolling out this feature 100% will take a day or two, so right now, you will only see it on your home feed and friend lists, but we are actively working on transitioning our system so it is available everywhere.
- Bret Taylor
Interesting: if you have something hidden, let's say all Google Reader entries without likes and comments, and that's the most recent activity for the link, the entire discussion goes from visible to hidden. Edit: cool, thanks Bret.
- Mark Trapp
When will it be in the API? (I know, always the one with the stupid API questions)
- Dustin
so this means on those rare days ping.fm actually works, i won't dupes in my feed?
- Anika
I can't believe I haven't watched the US version of The Office
- Jonathan Beckett
Jonathan, if you've seen the BBC version first make sure to stick with the US version through the first season. They start off with a lot of the same jokes/situations but not as funny, IMO. But then they start to diverge on totally different story lines and it's very, very funny.
- Paul Reynolds
I love the ones when they side glance at the camera after they say it.
- Paul Reynolds
This is WIN, on a scale beyond human comprehension.
- Iain Baker