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"Atheism in America" Godlessness is the last big taboo in the US, where non-believers face discrimination and isolation http://on.ft.com/xftE79 ~ “I’ve been told things like ‘I hope you have an accident, die and go to hell.’ So that’s what I’ve been up against.”
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"Psychotherapist Marlene Winell, who practises in Berkeley, California, specialises in “recovery from harmful religion” and advocates religious trauma syndrome as a psychological diagnosis. “There are so many places in the US that are just saturated with religion. Everything is interwoven – their families, their schools, their business – so that if you were not part of the club, part of the group, you get ostracised and people go through really horrible experiences of not belonging any more.” If that sounds like the experience of leaving a cult, perhaps that’s because, as Winell argues, “in its raw form, fundamentalist Christianity that believes that the Bible is the word of God is basically a giant cult.”
- The Real sofarsoShawn
From the outside, keeping your views to yourself may not seem such a problem. But this is only if you think that it’s easy to live hiding who you really are from almost everyone around you, even close family. Take Matt Elder, who lives in Festus, Missouri (pop. 11,602). When I met him in a downtown St Louis diner, he came across as a cheerful, friendly guy, not someone living under a...
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- The Real sofarsoShawn
Data backs up anecdote. A now famous University of Minnesota study concluded that Americans ranked atheists lower than Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in “sharing their vision of American society”. Nearly 48 per cent said they “would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group” (many more than the next most unpopular category,...
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- The Real sofarsoShawn
Boo hoo hoo.
- Akiva
That's an interesting reaction. I wonder how that would look under a post about about oppression of e.g. gay people.
- Eivind
Religion is a choice. Being gay isn't. It's kind of rude that you'd try to pair the two.
- Akiva
I know you think it's a choice, but it really isn't. The best I can do is to choose to pretend to believe in your gods.
- Eivind
That's absolutely ridiculous. You really believe that religion is genetic?
- Akiva
I don't know what role genetics play in people's religiosity. Why's that relevant? If I close my eyes and try really hard I still won't believe that you're one of the only real god's chosen people.
- Eivind
You don't know what role genetics play in religion yet you're sure it's not a choice?
- Akiva
I know I can't decide to suddenly believe in one or more of the proposed gods. You don't know what role genetics play in sexual orientation.
- Eivind
So you also think that homosexuality is a choice?
- Akiva
Eivind, perhaps you can't, but atheists and agnostics do every day through conversion. That is their choice.
- Kelli H.
What do you mean 'also', Akiva?
- Eivind
Answer the question. Erase the 'also' if it makes you feel more comfortable. Do you believe that homosexuality is a choice?
- Akiva
If religion isn't a choice, doesn't that suggests atheists shouldn't make fun of theists either?
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
I don't think homosexuality is a choice, Akiva. Victor, ...
- Eivind
I don't think either side should make fun of the other.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Why do you think that religion is not a choice then?
- Akiva
I think religion is a choice. People pick and choose those all the time. An atheist, at least this atheist, can't just suddenly decide he now believes in one or more gods, though.
- Eivind
But you earlier typed that religion isn't a choice. You typed specifically 'I know you think it's a choice, but it really isn't.' Can you explain that?
- Akiva
The data seem to show that most people tend to stick to the religion they grew up with, or at least to something similar. Radical conversions aren't common.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
That's not essential to this conversation, Victor. I'm interested in Eivind particularly. I'm a Jewish Buddhist who was raised Catholic because his parents converted before I was born. I have a particularly unique view.
- Akiva
I didn't read your comment carefully enough, Akiva.
- Eivind
You're still not answering the question, Eivind.
- Akiva
I did. I explained why I answered the way I did.
- Eivind
I think it's relevant, Akiva
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
So you believe that religion is genetic?
- Akiva
Victor, you're wrong. You know what they say about statistics. I value Eivind more than that. I refuse to denigrate him. I want to know what HE thinks. I don't care what statistics say.
- Akiva
I am not sure. I can't rule out the possibility that genetics play a part.
- Eivind
And how do you feel about homosexuality?
- Akiva
Or are you admitting that Jews are a race?
- Akiva
It's clearly hereditary. Which is not the same as genetic. But there are structures in the brain that seem to be associated with strength of spiritual belief.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
So it's hereditary but not genetic? Jews are a race but they're not a race?
- Akiva
How can you explain that I'm not Catholic?
- Akiva
Akiva, I don't understand your questions.
- Eivind
Don't act dumb because it's convenient, Eivind. It's unbecoming of someone of your intelligence. Answer. The fucking. Question.
- Akiva
There aren't specific genetic loci that you could look at and say this person belongs to X race. I'm of the opinion that race is more of a cultural concept than a biological concept.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Victor, do you think that homosexuality is a choice?
- Akiva
Akiva, I don't think homosexuality is a choice. I think you were right the first time when you pointed out that the discussion regarding sexuality doesn't cleanly map to the discussion regarding theism/atheism
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Thank you. Religion IS a choice. The pressure of parents is a huge thing. It's unbelievably stressful. I refuse to impress my beliefs on my kids. I want them to do what I did, figure it out on their own. I'll support them in their choices regardless of how it might be opposite of I believe. I wonder if Eivind would do the same.
- Akiva
Atheism isn't a choice. I didn't think it would be cool to be the only person I knew that didn't believe in God. I didn't think it would be great to be different from my friends in a way they would never accept. It was a realization. I realized none of it made sense and the questions I had couldn't be answered. I realized I didn't believe. I can't choose to believe again. Choice and genetics aren't the only two options here.
- <3Heather<3
Heather, you really believe that your atheism wasn't choice? That's physically genetic?
- Akiva
It's either genetics or environment.
- Akiva
And, for the record, I absolutely respect atheism. It's far more reasonable than theism.
- Akiva
Reread my last sentence.
- <3Heather<3
Isn't atheism more like a neutral state? It's then a choice to pick (or being forced) some religion on top of that.
- Jemm
Heather, then what are the options?
- Akiva
I'd guess nuetral point would be "community model" your family friends and larger aquantances religious choice. Your reaction as you find your place on the"religion continuum" would be the question. Is it genetics, education, or...?
- WarLord
The word I believe best describes it, is the word used in my post. If you read it you would know it. Or is reading my post an attempting to understand it less desirable then asking me leading questions?
- <3Heather<3
Jemm, often yes. There are atheists, people who simply don't believe in a deity. Then there are atheists who are proselytizers, who believe it is their job to convert people. I'm not down with anyone who thinks they are in a position to dominate other people.
- Akiva
Heather, I'm honestly curious. Do you really want to challenge people rather than educate them? I may have missed your point. I'm simply interested. I value people who have opposing viewpoints. Either you want to help me or you don't.
- Akiva
@Akiva: I agree with that. I was only observing the way of thinking, not how the people act - religious or not. I don't approve of forcing anything, either.
- Jemm
"It was a realization."
- <3Heather<3
Do you believe that your realization is somehow more valuable than other people's realizations?
- Akiva
When did I say or hint at that?
- <3Heather<3
You haven't. I'm just asking.
- Akiva
I believe religion and atheism are choices, and that a good number of people don't realize they've made a choice because they've been indoctrinated since early childhood. Those folx have chosen to go along with their families', friends', community's beliefs. I think that the hate & conflict between religions, and between the religious & atheists, is a big part of what has turned me off when it comes to organized religion in general.
- Starmama
from FFHound(roid)!
Why would you think to ask me that?
- <3Heather<3
Because I'm curious. Will you answer the question?
- Akiva
No. Do you think you're choice in religion is better or makes you a better person then others?
- <3Heather<3
Starmama, proselytization is violent. I don't support it in any form.
- Akiva
Heather, absolutely not. But I'm at least willing to discuss it. You are apparently not. What does that say?
- Akiva
Do you even know my religion?
- Akiva
I am discussing it.
- <3Heather<3
Yet you refuse to answer my question. Why?
- Akiva
I did answer it.
- <3Heather<3
No, you didn't. You know it. You're smarter than that. I'll repeat it: Do you believe that your realization is somehow more valuable than other people's realizations?
- Akiva
Ok, I'll repeat my answer. No.
- <3Heather<3
Crap. Totally misread your answer.
- Akiva
Imagine that.
- <3Heather<3
That's rude. I'm honestly curious about your opinion, I've expressed nothing but respect for it. And you've come back at me as a jerk. I just wanted to understand you.
- Akiva
Oh I'm sorry, I misread your respect for snark and condescension.
- <3Heather<3
Can you prove that? Can you show me one comment I've made toward you that was snarky or condescending?
- Akiva
I said I misread you, you know the same way you snapped at me before realizing you misread me.
- <3Heather<3
And I admitted that in a kind way, deleted my comment, and essentially apologized for it. Then after that, you capitalized on my mistake. I think even your apology was based in sarcasm. I know you don't like me and honestly I don't care. But I try to treat you well. You deserve better than what I do. And I'm sorry about that. Truly.
- Akiva
Listen Akiva, I'm really sorry if you're being a polite gentleman and I'm taking it all wrong. I'm sorry if you're honestly trying to gain understanding and insight into the mind of an atheist. I love knowledge and I have a need to understand people too. I'm also not refreshing the page, I'm intently following the conversation as it happens. If that's caused problems, I'm sorry for that...
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- <3Heather<3
Akiva, is the fucking question about whether Jews are a race or how I feel about homosexuals?
- Eivind
Oh good lord, girl. I don't need you to make me look like a jerk. I'm legendary at that. I'm a total jerk. I hate people. I just think we'd both benefit if we didn't think that we were both out for each other. We don't agree on a lot of things but I absolutely refuse to disrespect you over that. If I didn't surround myself with people who disagree with me, I'd never understand myself.
- Akiva
Hey, Eivind. Welcome back to the conversation! BOTH. I want answers to both.
- Akiva
Thanks for respectfully calling me "girl".
- <3Heather<3
I was being affable! Dammit. You are a girl aren't you? You're a hell of a girl. How is that an insult?
- Akiva
I guess it's not, boy.
- <3Heather<3
Absolutely not. And if you were offended by it, I'm honestly sorry. It's just ... I dunno. Two of my most used phases are 'old boy' and 'old girl'. WHY YOU GOTTA BE SO DIFFICULT.
- Akiva
I feel about homosexuals as I feel about heterosexuals. Most people are good people, and I don't think sexual preference makes a difference. I think 'race' is a somewhat outdated term, and what we describe as different races often maps better to culture than to actual genetics. There are certainly no well defined genetic borders that separate Jews from the rest of us.
- Eivind
Ha ha remember when Shawn posted a link? OMG.
- Akiva
That's actually quite incorrect, Eivind. Jews have diseases that are specifically linked to them.
- Akiva
You also didn't answer the question. Do you think homosexuality is a choice?
- Akiva
Also, do you think that black people are a culture and not a race? Asians? Indians?
- Akiva
It's quite correct, Akiva. It's all a continuum. There aren't any well defined genetic borders anywhere. This doesn't work the way you seem to think it does.
- Eivind
So you believe that a disease is culture-related?
- Akiva
And you believe that black people are a cultural choice rather than a racial one?
- Akiva
Sure, there are single-gene mutations that have higher incidences in Jewish (specifically, Ashkenazi) populations like Tay-Sachs disease or cystic fibrosis, but you can't look at someone's genome and say, well, they're clearly Jewish.
- Victor Ganata
Then why is that disease uniquely bonded to Jewish people?
- Akiva
Akiva, I don't think you understand genetics very well.
- Eivind
I'm simply asking a question. Why won't you answer it?
- Akiva
Which disease? Tay-Sachs? Or cystic fibrosis? Non-Jews can be born with those conditions as well.
- Victor Ganata
Akiva, for someone trying to gain understanding, you seem to ask very narrow questions instead of letting people tell you what they think. I would imagine if you give people the freedom to express themselves and read it with an open mind, you'll gain much more understanding then selecting specific questions to be answered before moving on.
- <3Heather<3
That's true but Jews are more likely by a huge margin to have Tay-Sachs, for example. By a wide margin.
- Akiva
Heather, I'm just wanting my questions answered. I'm absolutely ready to admit that my questions are wrong. But I always get curious why people refuse to answer questions.
- Akiva
Akiva couldn't that be based on religion or cultural mating selection?
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
There is no one-to-one correspondence between "race" and someone's DNA makeup. There is no "black gene" or "white gene". I don't think it's possible to answer the question you're posing if someone doesn't believe in a biologically-determined concept of race.
- Victor Ganata
Jimminy, possibly. But aren't diseases genetically based? I could be totally wrong on this.
- Akiva
Victor, that's incredibly interesting. Thank you.
- Akiva
While asking questions is legitimate, accusing others of refusing to answer because they didn't respond with THE answer that you chose you would accept before you even asked the question is nonsensical.
- Chris Topher
I just want ANY answer. The refusal of any answer is suspect.
- Akiva
The problem is that the question is loaded with an unwarranted assumption: a biologically determined concept of race. It's a lot like asking someone when they stopped beating their wife.
- Victor Ganata
Akiva, yes but Tay-Sachs is going to occur more often in a population if for some reason the population limits it's own breeding patterns to members of a population known to carry recessive genetics for Tay-Sachs. *Tay-Sachs could be replaced with other genetic disorders/diseases if you want.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Akiva, do you think European royalty is/was a race? They had hemophilia occurring at an incredibly high rate.
- <3Heather<3
Victor, that's an answer. The lack of an answer? It's suspect. And I'm actually not passive-aggressive. I loathe it. When I ask questions, it's usually because I want to be wrong. I want to be educated. I know I come off as whatever but in reality, I just want to learn.
- Akiva
Heather, I think that's different. And it's insulting. The royals weren't killed because of who they are. I can be killed for who I am. And regardless of Victor's stance in this particular thread, he at one time backed Jewishness as a race. I can be killed for who I am. I didn't choose to be Jewish. It's my heritage. My family was killed in Germany. What does that mean? Why do I get so upset over it?
- Akiva
And why should gays not be allowed to marry? Why should they have been killed as well? And Gypsies?
- Akiva
Anyone can be killed for who they are. And I didn't know death was part of the discussion.
- <3Heather<3
Of course death is part of the conversation. Are you unfamiliar with Jasper, Texas? Are you unfamiliar with women who aren't paid properly because of their gender?
- Akiva
I thought this was about atheism and the discrimination of atheists by theists. I guess I'm on the wrong thread.
- <3Heather<3
Clearly. I want atheists to be treated with the respect that they often don't treat theists. I want atheists to be not afraid, to have equal rights. Atheists can be killed for their convictions. I'm thoroughly shocked at your ignorance. I'm religious yet I am on your side. Good grief.
- Akiva
A lot of things, I think. You have me on your side even though you possibly think I'm an idiot for my beliefs. Yet I'd fight for your beliefs. How does that work?
- Akiva
I think Jimminy's comment here is a valid consideration for the genetic disease factor (and I think Heather's example of the royal family was exactly along those lines): a population that very actively discourages or forbids intermarriage is going to have a higher incidence of particular genetic markers. I think the discussion about culture and race and Judaism is very interesting and...
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- joey
I think it came up as part of the discussion as to what characteristics of a person are and aren't a choice.
- Victor Ganata
Against my will, I agree with joey's comment.
- Akiva
Akiva, I deleted my comment, stop bringing it up.
- <3Heather<3
Ah, okay. Thanks, Victor. Well in that case: I don't have a choice about being perceived as Jewish ethnically and discriminated as such at various points in my life (regardless of whether I had been raised with the religion or culture or not) but I also don't have a choice about not being considered 'part of the tribe' or religiously Jewish (without conversion) because my mother was an...
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- joey
I missed this ^ ... I'll brb I know what Heather's meaning to say about atheism is thati it's arrived at by a sense of skepticism, whic is not just an unwillingness accept staus quo-ism. Skepticism is a provisional aproach to claims. It is the application of reason, not revelation
- The Real sofarsoShawn
from FFHound!
No one cares about your opinion. This is about me and Heather working out our sexual tension.
- Akiva
Hahahaa this may help Akiva :D (i think you should get Eivind some Vday sweets to charm him, all girls love chocolate <3 ... moving along... Reason applied to any and all ideas - no sacred cows allowed. Skepticism is a method requiring doubt, not a position. When we say we are "skeptical," we mean, that we must see compelling evidence before we believe. Modern skepticism is embodied in the scientific method which is why you find a larger % of atheist scientists than the general populace.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
from FFHound!
Lastly...Jimminy,Victor, & Joey *nods head* yes is right race has no genetic or biological basis. This has been thoroughly debunked. All human beings have the same ancestors from Africa….Darwin :) The physical diversity of today is purely a function of geographical accidents, climates, isolation, & wndering bands. There is simply no such thing beyond the arbitrary & the artificial of...
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- The Real sofarsoShawn
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Coming late to a thread makes for interesting reading. The whole "it's either a choice or it's genetic" is not quite a correct starting point though. It's not A or B like that. Anything genetic is not rigid programming, just tendencies/predispositions/higher risk. And many non genetic things are nonetheless defining. In all cases, one can go against ones programming (whether genetic or...
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- Iphigenie
Iphigenie speaks in eloquent prose what I have been pondering. Most especially the very last statement: "I see atheists that are as aggressively religious about their beliefs as some of the worst religious bigots"
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
Yeah, ultimately, I think the whole "it's a choice, or it's not" is a false binary. And I have been disgusted by atheists who feel the need to cram their beliefs down other people's throats, but, yeah, they're not necessarily representative, and it certainly doesn't justify persecution.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
It must be tricky in the US where a lot of the social "glue" that's left outside work is religious. People are uncomfortable with atheism, you don't need to say much to make them feel threatened - the more they have given up for their religion, the more threatening you are (same goes for any opinion that requires sacrifice, but religion is the most common). And I also think that some...
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- Iphigenie
Here in Europe atheism isn't such a big deal, but I can imagine what it is like, say, in Bible belt. I think more than anything atheists want to separate church from the state and stop things like Creationism/ID being taught at schools at the expense of real science etc. It's fine, if people want to hold on to their beliefs when it's more of personal thing instead of organized.
- Jemm
As an Atheist, my biggest issue is religion being used to create laws...i.e. gay marriage, abortion, birth control, etc.
- Chris Topher
And keeping laws/traditions in place. And as an untouchable topic.
- <3Heather<3
That ^ was one of my major hang ups, sitting through the preaching in my religious instiutions, temple & church. I always wanted to raise my hand and ask questions. Even when I got to ask whom was speaking afterwards it would go something like this: "Why? It is written!" ~ the ol' "parental because I said so" doesn't cut it when you're supposed to be an omniscent "G_d"
- The Real sofarsoShawn
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I think you'll actually find a lot of theists who agree with the goal of preventing this country from becoming a theocracy.
- Victor Ganata
Amen. A theocracy run by anyone besides a deity is not really a theocracy.
- Eric Logan
Yes, people who want to make everything they consider immoral be illegal, and everything they consider moral be compulsory... should be kept as far away from power as possible. Whether they base their sense of morality and values on a god or science.
- Iphigenie
Headline in my RSS reader: "Women Turned On By Healthy Look"
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This is in a feed that's ostensibly blogging on peer-reviewed research, btw.
- John (bird whisperer)
Isn't that everyone? Isn't that why youth is so attractive?
- Spidra Webster
That was sort of my reaction to it.
- John (bird whisperer)
Also, why is this in a science feed?
- John (bird whisperer)
Sex sells science?
- WoH: Minding her Botts
I suppose so.
- John (bird whisperer)
I need to learn to give a healthy stare or however it works ;)
- Jemm
That's sort of "the evolutionary/biological basis of mate selection" as pop science (in a nutshell.) #restatingtheobvious
- Mark J Subtly Severe
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How I interpret my beverage options on an airplane - The Oatmeal - http://theoatmeal.com/blog...
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Yes, YES. THIS.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I always thought the 30k beverage was tomato juice!
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Urf. No, I don't think I could handle tomato juice very well on a plane :s I'm not a big fan of it at any altitude.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I ain't touching it either, but it seems that everyone around me, especially on early morning flights, asks for it. Hangover cure maybe?!
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
For some reason people drink more tomato juice on planes than on the ground. Maybe it's a thing with the air pressure or something which make it taste different.
- Jemm
Tomato juice tastes 'plane' better at high altitude says scientist: http://www.thelocal.de/sci-tec...
- Jemm
I might have to try tomato juice out sometime on a very long flight just to see, but, in general, ginger ale will ALWAYS be the Airplane Beverage of Choice. I'd never heard about the tomato juice thing before.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
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- serena@
o nasıl düşüyor öyle ya?
- Gepetto
acayip... başının üstünde havaya kalkıp düşüyo. bayıldı mı ne?
- compiler
ancak bu kadar yeteneksiz olur bir insan. O sandelyelerin hepsini bir hamlede nasıl devirdin öyle. Yap desen yapılmaz!
- Gepetto
bence de yap desen yapılamazdı :)
- compiler
bence utancından kalkmıyor yerden :)
- Gepetto
8/10
- Jemm
oo yea :D
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- Jemm
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oh boy - Snake is Retro...I remember when Nokia3300 once was one of the coolest phones available:)
- ANJELINABANANA
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That looks like Nathan Chase. :)
- Louis Gray
Damn, I didn't want to give any likes to cat pics anymore!
- Ton Zijp
@Ton: Get used to them. In a decade or two there will be cats in parliaments.
- Jemm
Haha Louis - it does look a little like me... but it's definitely not. :)
- Nathan Chase
Cool
- Kevin J Hatton
heh...my weekends are sometimes like this!
- Stephanie Segel
so smart cat, lol
- Igusti Anita Lakshana
Presidential election day today with only two candidates. I'm pretty sure either of them will win, so no point voting :)
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- Jemm
Had an accident today, I'm fine, but here are the details that I have in hi-definition slowmotion except for the last second. I got called by grandfather to help set up a printer for his brother-in-law.On my way I lost control of my vehicle on some loose gravel on a curvy one-lane road, rock embankment on oneside, 500-600 foot drop on the other.
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I managed to avoid hitting the bank in the first turn, then ended up preparing to go over the edge on the next turn. However, I saved myself yet again, but rear wheels were still sliding out over the edge, so I nailed the gas to keep from slipping backwards. As the rear wheels hit the lip the immediately accelerated me and further exaggerated my over-steer, propelling me into the bank going sideways. Car ended up facing about 150 degrees from the direction I was initially heading, on impact at which point airbags deployed, passenger bag cracked windshield, and rearview detached and gashed my ear.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Thank God, noone was coming around that second turn, most likely we would both be dead, or at least me, the angle of the vehicle means the driver side section would have been crushed.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Yeah, I don't know if I want to deal with any tech call's anymore, lol. Totalled my car and my left arm is a bit sore, in the wrist area, WoW'ing will be decreased as will time on the net in general, I need to live in the real world for a while.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Wow, glad you are okay.
- Michelle M
Thanks Sean and Michelle.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Glad you're ok. I approach gravel like it's ice. I don't trust it.
- Gus
Whoa, glad you're here to tell us about it.
- Derrick
That sounds scary. I'm glad to hear you're only slightly bruised.
- Anika
So glad you're alright, Jimminy!
- directeur
Thanks guys. ( Gus ), the amazing part is I was only going about 25mph when it occured, GRAVEL IS EVIL. ( Anika ), yeah all bruising except for my left arm I'm missing about 6-7 layers of skin over about a 2in x 2in spot right below my wrist, the gash on my ear, and a very peculiar friction burn on my right pec, caused presumably from the seat belt, but left no damage to my shirt.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Holy shit! I'm so glad you're OK. Get some rest, sir. Damn.
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
James I'm not tired this happened an hour and a half after I got up, and I feel energetic I'm kind of afraid to go to sleep because of the stiffness I'll feel tomorrow.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Here are some images that show the majority of the damage outside of my arm. http://ff.im/7diAZ It's all pretty minor to some of the stuff I've seen in the past.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Wow, that's intense. I would've been petrified. Glad you came out of it with as little injury as you did!
- Jandy
Jandy, I got out and continued up the hill for about 5 minutes before I realized I could call someone. I was dazed. Finally called my mom and she made me go back and make sure noone else hit it.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Sounds like your good driving saved you man. I don't know whether to say you were lucky (to not be badly injured) or unlucky (that it happened) either way I am glad to hear that you are ok.
- Matt G
A buddy of mine got pulled over in his Porsche 911 many years ago doing somewhere around 130mph and was amazingly let off with a warning. A week later he totaled it doing 27mph when he chose the wrong time to try to shift, spun on gravel and off the road he went. gravel=evil.
- Robert DeBord
glad you made it through
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Holden, WV isn't that scary to drive through, I'm really thankful for my job now though, have plenty of experience driving. What part do you go through?
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
That's terrifying. I'm so glad you're okay.
- joey
Yikes, Jimminy! Very glad to hear you're OK. It's amazing the clarity w/ which you can remember those details in slo-mo, isn't it? Try to take it easy for a couple of days. Give yourself a chance to really recover.
- Ayşe E.
Ayse, I have a very strong visualization and memory ability, seeing someone in real-life I can occasionaly get a very accurate image of what they look like when they were younger, when compared to images, also have been able to enter and memorize lucid states for several years. The slo-mo was very different though.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Thank you all once more.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Wow ! Hope you're better now
- Ahsan Ali
Oh wow. So glad you survived, Jimminy.
- Micah
Thanks everybody. Micah, I am too, changes your perspective a bit. I was really close to losing it.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I'm so glad you came out of that alive. Sounds incredibly scary and harrowing.
- Spidra Webster
Yikes. Could have been a lot worse, glad it wasn't
- LANjackal
Thinking about it it's kind of like the story of Friendfeed, going along smoothly then it lost control when it was acquired by FB, and it regained a little bit of control but we still don't know if it's going to be able to make it around the next turn. No one has a clue yet.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
It's not an omen, just noticed a similarity, though exaggerated. Also, the last line is great. "We still don't know if it's going to make it around the next turn.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
LOL, Ahsan, I guess I got a raw deal then. No I lost about $7000. Dammit, I screwed up somewhere I guess.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Yeah, It goes up to about 1200-1400 at the top of the hill, I was just about half way up. Oh, the price, I totalled my car and have to pay medical bills, out of pocket.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Good that your are ok :)
- Jemm
Hope you're not too sore in the morning!
- Anne Bouey
Going 25mph and your car is totaled? Wow! That is some wicked gravel! Good that you're okay!
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
Fajar, I don't know how fast I was going when I hit, I was going 25 when I hit the gravel and had to accelerate to get my rear wheels back on the ground in the second turn, unfortunately I wasn't think as I did this that the car was All wheel drive, as soon as the rear wheels hit the ground, It fired me right into the embankment, so I hit at about 35-40mph, I guess.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I really hope you feel better Jim. Man that's gotta be tough.
- Friendfeed's Francisco
Sorry to hear. :(
- Tyson Key
So your doing it rally style? Good thing that can instinctively drive yourself out of the 500 foot drop.
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
Fajar, yeah rally style, with out the jumps, and flipping when I hit the bank, though it was a near perfectly vertical rock where the road was carved in the side of the mountain. I was actually in an Impreza.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Good grief! Sounds like you were very lucky to walk away from that one. Glad you're ok!
- Andrew Terry
This is the closest thing I've found to my accident, everything over the dotted line was the drop off though, and the road wasn't quite that straight, so that turn back he does I was entering the second turn. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Wow! You've got my respect brother! Make sure you keep the scar, chicks digg scar -- or so they say lol
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
I have plenty of scars, there just in places you can't normally see. Armpit(fish-hook), head(triple-cracked skull), abdomen(hernia), the only one I think may stick with me is the damage to my ear and that won't impress anyone, or maybe the deep friction burns on my chest.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Holly shit! I'm glad you're ok man! That's one hell of an accident!!!
- David Cook
Glad you're ok man! Gravel is some evil evil shit.
- G Dub of the Carolinas
SSSOOO Glad ur ok! Sorry that you had a car accident!!
- SUSAN J SPAULDING
Last accident.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Indiana thinks we bought her a new cat bed! Guess I'm not sitting on the new lovesac tonight. :)
vicster, Vika Sokolova, Corinne L and 14 other people liked this
_Everything_ in the house is owned by the cat. Humans can loan them, if the cat allows.
- Jemm
So true. I just don't know what she thinks about how big it is!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Looks like she likes her new throne.
- Katy S
You can't see me! You can't see me!
- Corinne L
Friends; Joni & I are getting divorce. We've been living apart a month now..there was no drama involved, still very close. A decision we've made up together. We've been quiet about it here ever since but now it's time to make it official.
I'm sorry to hear that, Neya. *hugs*
- John (bird whisperer)
:( I'm sorry to hear this.
- Anne Bouey
I hope for the best for you
- SteVe C
thank you dear friends *...sometimes it's just better continue life separately as we both wish happiness to one another
- Neya
Best of luck to you both, Nia.
- JA Castillo
I'm happy to hear there was no drama; sometimes, things just don't work out. Sounds like you're both going to be fine.
- Mark H
Hoping for the best for both of you.
- AJ Batac :)
We are still good friends :)
- Jemm
from WinForFeed
*hugs* I'm saddened to hear the news but I'm glad the two of you are still friends.
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
Jason *, Mark yes.. all will be fine eventually.. even there has been and still is hard times.. Aj, thank you.. Jemm <3 yes we are..always.. Zulema, *hugs
- Neya
Good luck. Hope your road will be easier than mine was.
- Akiva
*hugs*
- Lix
Akiva, never easy..but must try to believe in light.. * Lix, hug
- Neya
So sorry. Idk the circumstances but I'm sad for you both.
- Okay. Uli
I'm sorry. The best to both of you, and glad you're still friends. *hugs*
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Uli *, Jimminy, thank you *
- Neya
:(
- Steven Perez
Neya, I am so sorry to hear this. My best to you both.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
I'm so sorry to hear that, Nia. I wish the best to both of you. <3
- Kelli H.
Neya, sorry to hear that. *hugs*
- imabonehead
Sorry :(
- Rodfather
sad to hear
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
I wish the best for each of you.
- Micah
My heart goes out to you, beloved. Sending you thoughts of comfort.
- Nakachi
It's always sad when love comes to an end, but you two might turn it in something even better. My best wishes, I hope you and Joni manage the difficulties of the new situation as best as possible. The furry kids will surely help you through. Hugs to you both! <3
- esther
Thanks to all of you friends for your support :) We have just one life and if you ever feel you don't live it to the fullest, it's better to change it. Nina and me had many happy years together and I don't regret any of it. I learned a lot from her and grew as a person, but eventually our goals of life started to drift apart. When we noticed this, we reacted before there were conflicts thus making it easy to remain very good friends where both wish the best to each other.
- Jemm
:(, may you both find happiness, :(
- chaz2b
*hugs*
- Shevonne
I am furious. A package was stolen from our porch again. This one had gorgeous yarn in it. I fucking hate this place sometimes.
LibrarianOnTheLoose and Yogesh Kumar liked this
:( That sucks!
- Tamara J.
Not that it helps in this case but can you get future packages sent to a work address? I hate shitty people who steal. :(
- caj needs a haircut
Looks like I'm gonna have to.
- Mary Carmen
from iPhone
Argh >:(
- ωαřмaiden TeamOtto
grrrrr.
- holly #ravingfangirl
Huge bummer! Every time I have something sent here, I'm a little worried about it sitting out. However, I tend to only have stuff sent to the house if it's coming via USPS as they still scan & xray the stuff that comes through the post office at work. And since our postal carrier regularly comes sometime after 6p, one of us is usually home to get it before it's been out too long.
- Katie
Maybe you need to hide a cam on your porch and send out a couple fake pakages.
- Gabrielle
Time for a surveillance camera and a big sign.
- Que Sarah Sarah
from iPhone
"These premises under surveillance and I will beat your MONKEY ASS if I see you making away with my boxes."
- ωαřмaiden TeamOtto
Wow that sucks
- Rodfather
:( ...that happened to me a couple of times, so now, unless it's a huge delivery like furniture, I send most packages to my office.
- .LAG liked that
Is it possible to make it so that it won't just be dropped off but it must be signed for?
- Chris Topher
:( I've had two packages stolen and work frowns upon us receiving packages there, so everything goes to the Philosopher's and he sherpa's it down to me.
- Hedgehog
:((
- Katy S
:-(
- John (bird whisperer)
Secret hiding spot? Tranquilizer filled dart gun on a motion sensor? Chained up angry badger?
- <3Heather<3
A POX UPON THEM! I'm sorry, honeygirl. :(
- Nakachi
Ugh. :( That is why I have all my packages sent to my work.
- Kelli H.
:(
- imabonehead
:/
- Jemm
Maybe you could leave a package of garbage on your porch. Or better yet, a fake camera. Or, if you were willing to spend the money - and I can see many reasons not to - a real camera/cameraphone that's rigged to take a picture and email it to you upon opening. ... actually, that might be a viable business plan: "Bait packages".
- Andrew C (✓)
A nanny cam teddy bear?
- <3Heather<3
*hums theme of One Missed Call*
- Okay. Uli
Send yourself a big box of used kitty litter.
- Mellyboo {$5.50 Hugs}
For your viewing pleasure: Lego Lord of The Rings! - http://www.theonering.net/torwp...
Winckel, esther, Anne Bouey and Eivind liked this
"Nearly everybody knows that the Lord of the Rings line is coming to the world of LEGO and people young and old are pretty excited."
- Jemm
from Bookmarklet
Genetics
ANJELINABANANA, Steven Perez, Iván Abrego and 19 other people liked this
"Genetics is the science of breeding. Inbreeding results from reproduction among relatives. This cat, for example, is inbread."
- Jemm
Indeed it is.
- John (bird whisperer)
Inbreading level: Cat
- Jeaquares
If you get the recessive radiant heat gene, you're toast.
- Micah
Key West, Sir Shuping is just sir, Yolanda and 4 other people liked this
This made me laugh so hard. (I didn't sleep much last night.)
- Eivind
What's especially funny is that other people are using this prank, too. This is from the http://catfacts.org: "Note: Some people have complained that this site has been sending them texts. If you're one of them, then someone else might be playing a prank on you. This Cat Facts page does not gather people's emails or phone numbers. Sorry, there is nothing we can do to help since we aren't the ones sending the messages." :D
- Jemm
Also: http://i.imgur.com/fdqqt.png
- Jemm
Philips - Design Probes - Microbial Home - http://www.design.philips.com/about...
esther liked this
"The Microbial Home Probe project consists of a domestic ecosystem that challenges conventional design solutions to energy, cleaning, food preservation, lighting and human waste."
- A. T.
from Bookmarklet
So it has no rooms for children? Easy way to meet all the goals :P
- Jemm
well, it is concept :) yes, children bring in so much complexity to picture it won't be quick research/design project - but it was not supposed to be that complex and realistic, they're just after trying future :)
- A. T.
What I meant was that when the children are removed from the house, ecological footprint, energy & food consumption and generated waste will go much lower (in the long term) :)
- Jemm
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Oops!
Winckel, Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™, Mellyboo {$5.50 Hugs} and 4 other people liked this
If we weren't actually made out of space dust, this would explain a lot...
- Jemm
russian bear - http://englishrussia.com/2012...
Café ✓, mina_sydney, Amir and 8 other people liked this
NoSleepy Grayzales #louisgray
☆彡Jazzy-B, Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart, Kelli H. and 39 other people liked this
I was up at 2:30 this morning and Louis Gray was awake then, too! Does he ever sleep?
- Rochelle
Sleep is a waste of time and unproductive, Rochelle.
- Louis Gray
Dad? o_O
- Anna Haro
¡Hola!
- Jemm
Señor Gray
- Rodfather
Louis never admits to sleep. But has anyone ever asked him directly about siestas? EXACTLY.
- Micah
Micah, he has told me, indirectly, through various images. 4-7AM ;)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
^^ denies the above
- Louis Gray
And your safe, even though I know the data is there, I can't find it. ;)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Experto en medios sociales!
- Josh Haley
I am… I mean that I… no words… could…
- I like big Botts
*BUMP-AGE*
- Micah
No sabe.
- Louis Gray
Nerdy things / bahahah! - http://pinterest.com/pin...
Tudor Bosman, Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart, Kevin Johnson and 18 other people liked this
*dead*
- <3Heather<3
from Bookmarklet
:D
- Victor Ganata
Titty sprinkles.
- Jemm
"Top to bottom, left to right, reading words is outta sight!"
- Joe The Sausage
LOL
- ωαřмaiden TeamOtto
i couldn't remember morgan freeman's voice, so i had to improvise
- deerstep
*dead*
- AJ Batac :)
Trying to watch RED and not giggle manically every time I see him.
- <3Heather<3
Life-Size, Storm-Trooper Cake Hits Sci-Fi Convention - ABC News - http://abcnews.go.com/blogs...
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"“Star Wars” fans can finally have their cake and eat it, too: Husband-and-wife team Tiler and Amanda Oakleaf created a 6-foot-4, 300-pound storm-trooper cake for a science-fiction convention in Boston. The cake fed roughly 600 sci-fi fans."
- Jemm
from Bookmarklet
What is your preferred editor for coding? Reasons for that choice, if you will.
Harold, imabonehead, Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart and 3 other people liked this
Visual Studio on Windows, TextMate and XCode on OSX...
- iTad
The reason I ask, is I have a half dozen language specific editors, along with my general use of Notepad++.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
If I do write a code, I will go with vim just because it seems compatible with all major Operating systems. I tried ultraedit for one my class and it has plenty of options/features. Wish I could write a code though :)
- Ashish
emacs, because I don't know how to use vi ;)
- Victor Ganata
depends on the language. generally Dreamweaver, Visual Studio, or Notepad++, or whatever's available.
- chrisofspades
My husband.
- Mellyboo {$5.50 Hugs}
LOL Melly
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
E-TextEditor - It supports most of the TextMate addons.and UNIX shell tools on Windows.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Vim for pretty much the same reason as Ashish, that and I haven't found one that I truly like. *edit I love Vim, don't get me wrong, but I haven't found a gui one that i like.
- Scott (Honey Boo-Boo!)
Heh, Scott.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Eclipse (w/ CFEclipse and PDT) mostly; Dreamweaver for layout-related stuff; NotePad++ or TextPad for basic stuff. I use Eclipse the most because of its versatility (Java, ColdFusion, PHP, JS, CSS, etc).
- Adam
Just found that Vim can withstand 808 MB of text file.
- Ashish
Impressive.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Coda and sublime
- AJ Batac :)
from FreshFeed
Vi
- Todd Hoff
Visual Studios for Windows and BBEdit on the Mac.
- ronin
Yeah I switched to sublime(1), and then sublime X which became Sublime 2. Around the beginning of last year.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Dreamweaver just because I'm so use to it (plus work installed it with the CS5 suite) and it helps with letting me know there are errors in my jQuery. I would like to give Coda a whirl but I'm primarily a PC at work.
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
from Android
mostly vi since I live in CLI. For larger projects, eclipse.
- imabonehead
emacs for non-root, vi for root. old habits.
- Kevin Johnson
vi or TextWrangler
- Tinfoil 2.0
ed, sed, or awk
- I like big Botts
Dreamweaver for me. The reasons: I have it, and it's functional. The code completion and function hinting is really nice, so that's a plus.
- Curdy G
vi/vim with syntax-aware coloring enabled.
- Brian Johns
TextMate (or SciTE on Windows).
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
Vi, I started with Vi, continued with Vi. Probably will end up with Vi.
- samet
I'm good with vi/vim or emacs. I've mostly stuck with vim, but I think it usually depends on what language I'm working with.
- Rah-PM 2012
Visual Studio for Microsoft platforms and... wait..I don't support other platforms :)
- Jemm
Notepad++ simply for its multi-language highlighting support and "replace text across all open files" feature. lol @Melly
- Benny Bucko <Team Melly>
Benny brings up another feature I use in Dreamweaver quite a bit; I love being able to search/replace an entire folder or search/replace all open files
- Curdy G
Gepetto to Gepetto's feed, Funny Pics and Videos, Funny Funny, Komik Resimler, Komik Şeyler, Geyik Muhabbeti, Geyik Patlaması, FF - Paylaşım, Sıkıldım
yıldırım aşkı - http://meme.yahoo.com/hokten...
Brunette, junrxu, Orangeade and 6 other people liked this
To Sean: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU WHEN YOU JOKE ABOUT GOOGLE WAVE INVITES. What? You thought I was kidding????
Scoble, Alex Scoble, Jennifer Dittrich, Sir Shuping is just sir and 80 other people liked this
YOU GET YOUR ASS ROASTED BY A GIANT ROBOT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
That is awesome Kamilah. The robot is Mo right?
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Totally worth it.
- Your Neighbor Steve
Yes, Mo asked to participate in the Ass Roasting. I wasn't really serious about it until Mo asked. Then I had to make it exist.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
LMAO, Kamilah so awesome, but you missed Sean's half-stache and goatee. Those would have made it even more awesome.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
aw, shoot. I checked, but I wasn't sure about the status of his facial hair.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
This is THE. BEST. THING. ON. THE. INTERNET. EVER. *weeps for joy*
- MoTO Bott
I'm tempted to lie about it just to see what I'd look like in one of your illustrations
- chrisofspades
Excellent!
- Katy S
LOL! Get him, Mo! Mo never misses his target! :)
- directeur
The 1st pic of Audrey sneezing is so great. And I love "Pew Pew Pew." Great stuff, Kamilah!
- Ayşe E.
*dumbstruck by the awesome*
- Mo Kargas
Kamilah...I think I love you :)
- Mo Kargas
I see the happy sloth! Cool!
- Anne Bouey
Excellent!
- Kol Tregaskes
So what will Kamilah, Princess Wave, sell her sketchbook for? It should be in the FriendFeed museum.
- Louis Gray
Unholy mother of God! That's bad @$$
- Adrian
GOT DAMN, YOU'RE TALENTED!
- Spidra Webster
*bump*
- MoTO Bott
oh, though sketch is good, ever had an exhibition?
- testbeta
I always knew it. The first time I saw Mo Kargas on FF, I knew he could roast asses with his eyes.
- Joshua
Thanks, everyone :) I don't know that I can sell the original sketchbook, it's really my personal journal. As I say from time to time, though, my goal is to do some larger drawings and paintings, and eventually I hope to sell those, I just need, like, 48 hours in a day to get everything done... it's going to happen somehow, soon. I have had some of my work exhibited at various times,...
more...
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah, you're here! You should subscribe to me. :)
- EricaJoy
What happens if I subscribe to you, Erica? Is something in particular happening over on your feed?
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Nothing interesting happening on my feed but I bet $100 I could make your day. :)
- EricaJoy
Really, now? Alright then, I'll bite...
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
What is it about giant robots? I dunno. But they are full of win. Case in point: http://tinyurl.com/ydzws8s
- MoTO Bott
By the way Kamilah? I want the MoBot on a t-shirt.... Pleeeaaaasssseeee???
- MoTO Bott
Yes, giant robots are made of win. I dunno, Barry... last time I tried to make a t-shirt, people got all excited but no-one bought it (DYSP!). I might just make a design but not bother to try setting up a Spreadshirt (or whichever one it was that I used) for it. I'll have to see.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Can you do pre-oders through paypal?
- MoTO Bott
I could do that somehow, I guess. I've taken payments through PayPal before. I wonder what pose the MoBot should be in? Have some source material I could work from?
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah, you are truly Princess Wave! Awesome, totally awesome!
- WoH: Minding her Botts
Kamilah - this very well might be the art post that makes best of day and becomes part of a meta-sketch project. :-)
- Katy S
Ya, JUST for this drawing, Sean. :P And Mo.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Robots are hot stuff right now - you should add this to the Spreadshirt marketplace!
- spreadshirtcom
*another bump* because I love it so.
- MoTO Bott
lol, that's great!
- Carmen wBabby
this is great. i especially love the sloth!
- edythe
Yay! Sneezy. :)
- Rochelle
BUMPAGE
- Mo Kargas
*bump* because it still makes me laugh and because I wish I had laser eyes like Mo... PEW PEW PEW!
- MoTO Bott
and because Haggis' word balloon says "ow may ass!"
- MoTO Bott
*bump* for MOTO
- Katy S
Does this make it bump?
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
yup!
- Joe The Sausage
I've got still a few Google Wave invites... anyone?
- Jemm
THANKS KAMILAH!
- MoTO Bott
*bump*
- MoTO Bott
:) Wow, how times have changed...
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
*sagenod*
- Mo Kargas
Cotton fabric cleans itself when exposed to ordinary sunlight - http://www.physorg.com/news...
»indifférance«, Winckel and Eivind liked this
"Imagine jeans, sweats or socks that clean and de-odorize themselves when hung on a clothesline in the sun or draped on a balcony railing. Scientists are reporting development of a new cotton fabric that does clean itself of stains and bacteria when exposed to ordinary sunlight."
- Jemm
from Bookmarklet
Of course, not much help for geeks (like me) who are rarely exposed to the sunlight :)
- Jemm
30 Things to Stop Doing to Yourself - http://www.marcandangel.com/2011...
"As Maria Robinson once said, “Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.” Nothing could be closer to the truth. But before you can begin this process of transformation you have to stop doing the things that have been holding you back. Here are some ideas to get you started:"
- Jemm
from Bookmarklet
via @mokargas
- Jemm
iPad 2 in HOT LAVA - By ZooGue http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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"Temperature is too high"
- Jemm
Microsoft reveals details of its Windows Store plan - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...
Nispell liked this
"Details of the Windows Store have been released by Microsoft. The service will allow users to buy applications online for Windows 8-based PCs, desktops, laptops and tablets when the system launches next year. Microsoft is offering best-selling developers a bigger share of sales than rivals' stores. Users will also be able to use some apps on a trial basis. Experts say the move hastens the death of boxed software sold via retailers. Traditionally most software has been purchased from High Street stores or downloaded directly from developers' websites. However, Valve's Steam videogames service, Apple's App Store, Google's Android Market and the Blackberry App World have helped create a shift towards one-stop software stores. Microsoft already runs a Windows Phone Marketplace where it sells third-party software. In February 2012 it will extend that model to other devices to coincide with the beta release of the next version of its operating software. Microsoft says the store will be...
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- Winckel
from Bookmarklet
Like alot. It's a great idea - nice to see Microsoft coming up with stuff that hasn't been done before.
- Winckel
Apps on trial basis sounds interesting, wish that would be possible with ios. Too often apps don't meet expectations. Just don't charge the account if it's uninstalled within a certain amount of time.
- Stephan Planken
from iPhone
I can see the merit of that though it adds to complexity
- Winckel
Our future is the past - Microsoft
- Todd Hoff
The trial software model works great in WP7 apps, so it's likely to work well with the Windows apps as well. It's up to the developers which features they enable for the trial mode. It's also very easy for the developer to know when the app is in trial mode with a one method (IsTrial()) so it's not that complex thing to implement. It's much better than buy/return model that the Apple uses. In that model the developers loses the 30% share if the customer "returns" the app so it's very risky...
- Jemm
Not all #N9s are authentic - some of them are cheap and lame counterfeit ;) http://p.twimg.com/Af2EXIY...
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