When I saw the headline a little bit ago, I thought it was like the building in Brooklyn that just collapsed. These photos...wow. It just decided to have a lie down. I hope no one was hurt. - Anika

I believe that I am flabbergasted. - Aaron Hood

That's horrible. It's like there was no foundation. - τorƍue

o_O - Parth Awasthi

Any structural engineers in the house? How is that possible. I'm not an engineer but I've built legos and logs and what not, and simply can't imagine what could do that short of an explosion (gas main?) or an earthquake. - Adrian

Wow. (edit: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories... ) - Andrew C

Thanks, Andrew. That article is very informative. - Anika

Aha! Sinkhole / erosion was my third guess. If something doesn't give underneath or energy is applied in a direction (earthquake, explosion, Godzilla, etc.) its simply can't topple over. - Adrian

Unfortunately, a migrant worker was killed in the collapsed building when he planned to jumped out of the window. More horribly, the buildings beside the apartment are slanting to the ground, which could be seen by the naked eyes, though the state media denied it. - xiawinter

ビルが横たわるように倒れてる事故写真。直接的にはショッキングなものじゃないけど、よく考えるとエライ恐ろしい。 - Sakurai.Catshop

u can find more photo here at http://bbs.sh.liba.com/t_13_42... - Paul

Adrian, There are many reasons why a building like this could fall over. If the foundation of the building was not sound or was sitting on unstable earth. If the structure was inadequately designed, the lower floors could collapse under the load from the upper floors. Luckily the building was under construction and no one was living in it yet. I wouldn't want to be living in any of the adjacent buildings until they figure out what caused the failure. - Jeff P. Henderson

From one of the other comments, it sounds like the buildings were built on unstable ground or their foundations were not designed correctly for the location. - Jeff P. Henderson

"About 130 nearby households were evacuated and inspectors were examining the foundations of seven other identical buildings in the "Lotus Riverside" compound, saying they appeared to be intact Saturday evening, the report said. The incident was a new blow for Chinese property developers, who have been severely hit by a sagging market amid the global financial crisis. Those who bought apartments in the development were demanding refunds and explanations, the report said. Developer Shanghai Meidu Real Estate and Shanghai Zhongxin Construction Co said they were contacting owners and negotiating refunds, the newspaper said, adding 77 percent of the homes had been sold. The building fell Saturday morning a day after about 83 metres (272 feet) of the nearby riverbank collapsed, apparently due to the construction of an underground parking garage being built on the site, the report said." http://news.yahoo.com/s... - Jeff P. Henderson

The pilings sticking out from the bottom of the toppled building do not look very substantial nor do they look like they were very deep into the ground. - Jeff P. Henderson

"Concerns over poor construction and low-quality materials have plagued China's construction industry as the country rapidly builds up its cities and infrastructure needed to maintain its growing economy. Anger over poor construction boiled over during after last year's earthquake in central China after about 7,000 schools collapsed and relatives of dead children spoke out against graft they believed led to shoddy construction. " http://news.my.msn.com/regiona... - Jeff P. Henderson

Here's more photos: http://zonaeuropa.com/200906c... I see no re bar in the pilings that are sticking out of the bottom of the building. Definitely inadequate if not shoddy construction. - Jeff P. Henderson

很大原因可能是因为河堤渗水，导致基础松懈，所以基础才会连根拔起。 - Aang

Thank you Jess, for bringing this to the attention of English speakers. - Dallas Cao

This is why purchasing power parity adjustment of Chinese GDP is such nonsense. Shoddy construction of buildings and infrastructure in China is the norm. While not this bad, typically buildings through out the country will never last as long as a european or north american equivalents. - Gersham Meharg

That's the secret of the double number of GDP growth for the past years, they built something that didn't last long, soon they rebuild it and then the number were double counted. - Paul

This is nuts. I almost didn't believe it, but then I found pics from several different angles. This shoddy workmanship in China really needs to stop. It's just getting ludicrous now. Why are so many people there so keen on saving a yuan that they don't care if people get hurt or killed in the process? I know we have similarly unscrupulous businesses in the US, but they seem to take it to a much worse level in China. Perhaps because looser regulations and corruption allows people to get away with things. - Kamilah Gill

God has been busy blessing America, and then who has time to save our chinese people? - Paul

Is it my impression or is the 'foundation' completely clean? No stretched/torn steel supports etc?! - Ade

inşaat müh. arkadaşlara tez konusu.. - Profesyonel Öğrenci

this is like a nightmare, which I had, come true, ... where Im in a house that starts to shake back & forth and then turns over .. that is where I wake up. - Dickbuttkick

now u can see how it looks like after you woke up :) i can see that there is a big need of urban housing in china but to risk the lives of many people is just irresponsible. its houses...they are build to stay for some time i guess. they should spend a little more time to make it right - Chris Hofmann

Wow, I know where that is. Nothing like taking the time to properly scope out a location before building a high-rise on it. - Darren

Looks like the foundation only went about 6 feet into the ground. Hell, many two-story homes in the US go down that deep. So the fact that this is a 13 story building with such a shallow foundation, it isn't surprising that it just fell over. A stiff breeze could have knocked that building over. - Jason Huebel

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp... - "They also took samples of concrete and reinforcing steel bars from the collapsed 13-floor building" - so apparently there was some amount of steel in there somewhere... - Andrew C

whoa!! - Susan Beebe

Wow! - Rachel Lea Fox

First look at this image, thinking -unreal (photoshop, Second Life ??) Image that pushes the envelope of actuality. Unreal city. - Brad Kligerman

wow - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

fell like a deck of cards ... literally - Nitin Nanivadekar

监理呢 没自杀吗 - 佛陀

@佛陀 原因还没调查清楚呢，基础的问题是肯定的了，无非是地址勘有问题、设计有问题还是施工有问题的区别。当然新闻说的“民工误操作导致”的结果是相当可笑的，那样以后别上访了，随便发个消息说打算“误操作”一下，比恐怖分子还牛逼呢 - yagami

我早上听说 那里是不能建房的 是河坝 。。。 - 佛陀

理论上说没有什么地方不能建房，看你基础怎么处理了。海上都能建石油钻探平台，在河边建个房子有什么问题呢？：）再说每个楼的施工都要经过钻探、设计、施工图审查、结构论证、现场监理等多个论证、监管环节，怎么一出事就有专家来搞马后炮呢，嘿嘿。 - yagami

@yagami 国内的专家就是搞这个的 还是期待处理意见 不过最无语的是买了房子的的人 同期开发的那几幢 - 佛陀 from email

今天听说房子本身的质量还是不错的，各位可以看看图片上，房子整栋倒下，上面的玻璃很多都没碎：）））） - K.D.

呵呵 是啊 玻璃质量还真不错 不知道那个厂的 - 佛陀 from email

主要是地基的问题, 虽然, 地基也是房子质量的一部分, 所以只能说, 上部分的质量还不错, 地基水分太大了...... - Roamlog

@K.D. 就像某些XX的现状一样，群众再团结，根基不稳，一样会倾覆的。 - yagami

其实，具体是什么原因，我觉得很难查出来了。做地勘和详堪的设计院现在肯定抓狂了。因为，开发商只要有合法的手续，出问题不是设计就是施工，这些都是外包的单位。只是这个开发商铁定要破产了。 - Aang

我觉得也不是质量问题。还是地勘没做好。但如果是地质多变，也确实是很难判断到底是什么原因。 - Aang

早上看到新闻说，现在政府不让退房款，要等最终调查报告出来；只是业主们已经炸开锅了... - K.D.

在地基工作上 偷工减料也是有可能的啊 层层转包 - 佛陀 from email

旁边那几幢买的人 就是专家论证没问题后 敢住吗 特别是那些投资的 都卖不出去 - 佛陀 from email

恩，现在关键是没有可信的论证.... - K.D.

照理说地质勘探的人都很清楚这种冲击平原上加上河边的地址状况很复杂（一般打到中风化层的话可能会很深），应该都不会马虎大意的，详勘阶段应该是按建筑平面甚至桩点去布点详勘了，所以会很谨慎，加上我国的结构设计都比较保守，所以我感觉还是施工的问题。管桩强度不够，或者长度达不到设计要求，是很要命的。 - yagami

你不会是说, 有人动了地基的设计图纸? - Roamlog

不管论证结果怎样,心理上那其他几栋就绝对不安全了,不是不相信科学 要我肯定都不会住, 肯定睡不着心想万一睡着睡着就塌掉了呢... - 麦克.疯

国内根本没可信的第三方机构论证 不是第三方的 我看结果都是出自领导的意思的 。。久而久之 人们也不相信这一套 - 佛陀 from email

应该很快会有结果的。上海我不知道，广州的基础都有桩检测这一项，是必须做的，而且检测得还挺正规，一些主要的数据都有，如果监管和检测的资料齐全，加上现场再抽检的话，不难查出原因。我只是觉得到现在还遮遮掩掩没公布开发商，有点可疑。 - yagami

我觉得,在这个条目下用中文进行讨论感觉怪怪的..., 还有, 回复太多了, 翻起来真痛苦.. - Roamlog

应该不会躲猫猫吧 怎么大的事 包不住的 - 佛陀 from email

没关系，大家都会用翻译脚本的....:))) - K.D.

主题是英文 不管啦 我们讨论我们自己的 哇咔咔 - 佛陀 from email

楼主应该看得懂，希望不会介意：） - yagami

不要相信那些检测 监理 还不是全部拿钱买通的啊 我对土木的了解 - 佛陀 from email

大部分建筑都是有问题的 除了那些大工程 没人敢吧 - 佛陀 from email

@佛陀 你说的我都相信，这行确实不清不楚的，但是在基础和主要结构问题上，一般没人敢马虎的，不知道这个项目怎么搞的，业内都很震精啊。 - yagami

我认为可以和三鹿的情况类似 主要是开发商等太黑了 贪的太多的缘故 - 佛陀 from email

Would be cool if Friendfeed could convert posts to my chosen language and visa versa. I'd sure like to be able to read and respond to these posts! - Jeff P. Henderson

是啊 能自动翻译就爽啦 哈哈 楼上的老外说的对 - 佛陀 from email

@Jeff P. Henderson Try this bookmark http://wittman.org/project... - K.D.

我觉得我跟佛陀、老巫师等几个人，专门去毁人家非中文的帖子，都快“毁人不倦”了…… -__-! - yagami

你们应该做“ff说中文”的亲善大使，专门去促进ff的国际交流... - K.D.

我们还好 起码能看懂点英文 老外郁闷啦 中文肯定是天文 - 佛陀 from email

上面还有日文，再次鄙视一下，ff不提供折叠功能。 ff doesn't support folding ,shame of that. - xiawinter

ls的这个肯定会有人回应：）））） - K.D.

@K.D. Thanks! Very Cool! I figured something like this existed. - Jeff P. Henderson

@Jeff You are welcome!!! - K.D.

听到这个新闻，第一感觉就是整栋楼倒下，玻璃窗都没烂，太震憾了！ - Hobbes

上海也应该震一震 能震出多少问题建筑来啊 - 佛陀 from email

ls 不厚道.... - K.D.

确实不厚道，不把人民群众生命财产放在眼里啊。 - yagami

我只是想表达 问题很多很大很普遍 - 佛陀 from email

是啊，我们在这里盖楼不也不亦乐乎... - K.D.

我们可不是为了盖楼而盖楼啊 - 佛陀 from email

Look at the bottom line, are those building supposed to stand on 30cm bases? - Burcu Dogan

现有的去彻查不太可能，将来建的能吸取教训，真的把人民群众生命财产当回事，就谢天谢地了。 - yagami

FF is so amazing that it collects users' comments from all over the world with different language, so how do you English-speaking guys read Chinese ? I suppose most of Chinese users read English with no difficulty. - xiawinter

其实我主要还是觉得是地质的问题。你说常理下，施工队是有可能在监理检查后，撤掉一些基础钢筋的，毕竟赚黑钱都是这个手法。但是中国的结构设计一般是比较保守的。而且，上部主体倒下的时候是基本是完整的，其实，反而显得质量貌似不错。毕竟，如果要偷工减料，钢筋含量、混凝土标号才是最关键的大头。管仝深度一般都不会有问题，毕竟还有个监理呀。如果真是桩基础深度不够，那只怕设计院难逃干系。设计的时候，确实是有可能因为开发商要求做结构优化，而“优化”掉一些东西的……至于是什么很难说得清楚。反正这次肯定要抓一拨人的。 - Aang

Everybody is welcome to join the group "Say Chinese in FF" if you have interest in Chinese language or information,which has more than 1000 members--http://friendfeed.com/chinese... - kelvin

@xiawinter 读中文有2个办法呀，1是学中文，2是用：http://translation.babylon.com/# - Aang

监理是很容易出问题的 楼上 - 佛陀 from email

@Aang 实际在基础施工的时候，有些情况是可以少打桩的，比如说比设计深度提前遇到中风化层，这种情况一般是勘探比较粗，或者没按建筑平面布置详勘的情况会发生。多年以来做来做去就有施工单位会报告“提前打到持力层”，桩打不下去了，这样就省了长度和机械的费用。我也相信打了8米报告说打了12米的现象也不是少数行为。 - yagami

I am very curious, the buildings is slowly going down or a sudden fall? If it is the latter, not less likely to break the glass, especially the top floor. ----- 我是很好奇, 那個樓是慢慢倒下去的 還是轟一下子倒下去? 如果是後者, 玻璃不太可能不破的, 尤其是最上面的樓層. - JohnDu™

#FF中文用户观光团 我觉得，还有一种可能，就是，这房子在欲学MJ做45度倾斜，结果没斜好，倒了。 - Aang

@JohnDu™ 是轰然倒塌的。这座楼房的玻璃质量很好---it's a sudden fall. We have top-quality glasses here in China, welcome to place PO :)))))) #FF中文用户观光团 - K.D.

@K.D. glad to hear that. :) - JohnDu™

OMG - `aziz´ Alihan ÇETİN

So it was tired and wanted to lay down and take a nap. Who can blame them? - Gabe

wow! - Micah Wittman from iPhone

kinda reminds you how WTC 9/11 towers fell, doennit ? :/ - Petr Buben

not at all....9/11 towers was an explosion....this was a building cleanly breaking from foundation and toppling over - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

true - 9/11 was an explosion .. nanothermite .. they found it too - http://ae911truth.org - Petr Buben

@özge nedir bunun olayı ing bilmeyenler için bi açarmısın - Profesyonel Öğrenci

http://translate.google.com/transla... Makes this page mostly legible. - Tanath

The moral of this story... the foundation is the most important part of a building - and your life as well. - Jim Turner