I didn't drop out but here is part of my experience in this post from years ago. It was discouraging to hear the professors talk. Needless to say i don't code. :-) http://www.altamirano.org/marketi...
- Antonio Altamirano
Thankfully I'm in the other 50%, but I can see why many would change their major or drop out. I saw it first hand where many 1st and 2nd year Mechanical Engineering students changed their majors to something 'easier'. The most common reason was difficulty with the required advanced Math courses. Calculus being the road block for many.
- Jeff P. Henderson
If I were entering college now, I would try to go to Olin. I really like their approach.
- Paul Buchheit
nice post, I'm looking for the number of engineers (or per thousand capita ratio) graduating in Greece (or greeks graduating around the world)
- George Tziralis
Many of Computer Science professors at Stanford were luminaries in their fields, but weren't very good at engaging students in the subject matter. Brilliant researchers don't always make the best teachers. I think this contributed a lot to the dropout rate.
- Jess Lee
How does this compare to drop-out rate for all US college students? And does "drop out" mean "of college entirely" or "take a break then come back" or "and choose another major"? The discussion may be lusty but I really don't like discussions that start on a figure w/ no bother to compare it to anything else, or link to info about how it's calculated.
- Wade Dorrell
In CA we have two types of public universities. The UC schools require the professors to do research, where as the State University schools do not. I think the State University schools are much better for undergrad tech education as you get much more attention from your professors.
- Jeff P. Henderson
The UC Berkeley College of Engineering started the Center For Entrepreneurship and Technology http://cet.berkeley.edu to address some of the issues Dodge talks about.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Engineering is hard and requires above-average intelligence. Think about it this way: Statistics tells us that probably 50% of people will be below-average. Wouldn't you want those 50% of the students to drop out before actually becoming an engineer? MIT just doesn't admit that half of the population in the first place, but most schools don't have that luxury.
- Gabe
People have a lot of options for (a) careers (b) money (c) power (d) image (e) attracting mates in the US, compared to China/India. Engineers are not valued very highly in the US compared to businesspeople, doctors, and lawyers.
- Mitchell Tsai
@Gabe: You would think that all the people that go to study Computer Sciences or seek other Engineering degrees are above the 50% average to begin with.
- Amit Morson
somestimes it's a scoail or maturity thing - was for me. I get by. Wished I finished.
- Alan Wilensky
from Alert Thingy
It's because of the fact that people with higher standards of living pursue less demanding challenges offering similar ROI (I = investment+involvement). That's why there's so many non-US students (especially from lower income countries) in engineering and why they're much less inclined to fail.
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
Engineering sucks. I think there's a point where any engineering student realizes that even with a degree they're looking at a pretty mediocre salary working in a really boring job. Add this to the difficult coursework and boring courses, well, engineers are good at math. It adds up to being a raw deal. That being said, if you get into engineering at Stanford or UC Berkley, your ROI would look a lot better then mine. I'm sure a large number of engineering students consider dropping out, even after Calculus.
- Will Higgins™
All I can do is nod. For a couple of years, not a day when by when I didn't consider jumping ship, for all the reasons commenters here have mentioned: long hours, heavy workload, fickle job market, salary barely comparable with what I could expect with a business or law degree. But here I am, a month away from (finally!) finishing my EE degree, and I couldn't be happier.
- Derrick Burns
Continued from above: Basically, I think so many give up because they were looking to get something out of being an engineer: money, prestige, etc. But it's simply too great a commitment on several levels. You really have to pursue engineering because it's something you want to do, something you care about.
- Derrick Burns
I dropped out because Chemical Engineering was not what I was expecting. I wanted more Chemistry, less Math. I switched to IT Management and found it much more interesting. Mind you, I'm Canadian.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I remember having a crisis in my final year of Electrical/Computer Engineering. Dropping out was a non-option, but I did consider completely abandoning 3.5 years of engineering study to switch fields and schools during my senior year. In hindsight, I didn't understand what engineers really did. My vision at the time was closer to industrial or product design than engineering. I had to take it on faith in my first two years that I was on a path to do what I was envisioning.
- Kelly Norton
I suspect that more than 50% (even at good schools like GATech, I have friends who have done this) are in the wrong field. Many of my friends went into programming because they enjoyed computers and I've told them they would hate it because they don't like math. They don't listen. :)
- mjc
still others go into engineering due to parental expectation, which I find ridiculous, but understandable
- mjc
Amit: one of the properties of being in the lower 50% is not knowing that you're in the lower 50%. That means many of the applicants do not know they are unqualified.
- Gabe
Extensive aptitude/personality testing could fix this
- Aaron Eaton
Engineering is a tough subject. how does that compare to other subjects?
- John Cass
from twhirl
I actually sit on an advisory board for ASU (arizona state) Poly - I can tell you that what I see is students becoming disillusioned by all the stuff they have to learn before they can go out and create something "cool". The challenge is keeping them engaged through the pre-reqs/early coursework. BTW - IMHO the problem with "drop out and learn X" is that they've intentionally skipped the fundamentals that make good engineers. Just because you can code doesn't mean you can engineer... two different things.
- Brian Roy
Is Computer Science part of engineering? Because it didn't take much training in Computer Science for me to start doing cool stuff. I wrote my first game and posted it onto the internet my freshman year (Core Wars). By my Junior year, I had designed a programming language and integrated in it into a MUD. Pengtoh had contributed to Linux by his sophomore year. On the other hand, I always flunked electrical engineering classes, and couldn't stomach math past linear algebra.
- Piaw Na
I switch from Engineering to a Computer Science degree. Apart from the fact that I wanted to program, there were two reasons. 1) The load was very high (it was close to 40 contact hours/week in first year). 2) The maths was hard - I'm ok at math, but combined with the high load I found I struggled when I wasn't too interested in it.
- Nick Lothian
"the US should staple a Green Card to every foreign student's engineering diploma and encourage them to stay in the USA."
- Clare Dibble
Same as Nick here. Dropped out due to difficulty and lack of passion for the field. Went back later to finish a BS in Computer Information Systems.
- Bill Sanders
I wonder what percentage of medical school students drop out. Engineering is a hard discipline, if you want to be a web dev or a study IT or "new media" instead. Making engineering "softer" because today's students don't like to work hard and expect results instantly will just create generations of mediocre engineers and will not make the US more of an engineering power.
- Kevin Goldsmith
from twhirl
engineers are boring and dry, pay is low, classes are full of non-social ppl. (and almost no girls). Why not study finance, or something, girls and pay is much better.
- imran
Engineering is fun! The big thing is that school's curriculums are frequently irrelevant. For instance, a lot of CS majors require irrelevant Math or Physics not because it's a requirement to do good software (they aren't), but because those classes serve as weeders. The result is, for instance, we get lots of CS majors who can't communicate or string a sentence together. If we rearranged the CS major so that we didn't impose a stupid requirement, we'd get a bigger diversity of candidates and less dropout.
- Piaw Na
Engineering is the best!!!! and for those who says it sucks or that the pay is not good (or that we are boring and dry), its probably because you are in that 50% of retards that dropped out of it. No other profession gets paid as much as an engineer right after graduation, and there is usually more demand for engineers than for anything else. I just think people are too lazy to even try anymore. I dont know why, even graduate school is fun in engineering. Aerospace is the best!!!!!
- Mike hawk
life in a conceptual box is the result .. content with that, you will stay with it .. not content, universes open up
- Gregory Lent
life in a conceptual box? do you even know what you are saying? universes open up when you quit engineering? If only you were to see the world through the eyes of en engineer, we see everything from several different perspectives, not just that of people like you. If anything, engineering has really opened up the world for me as it really is. Stop making those type of remarks. Instead get back to engineering school so you can see what it feels like.
- Mike hawk
I think I know the boxes Gregory is talking about from some of his other comments. Whether you've gone to engineering school is orthogonal to whether you can get outside of them. So it's pretty much irrelevant to this thread.
- Ruchira S. Datta
I dropped out the day I learned it had nothing to do with driving a train. Now I'm stuck with this silly hat and overalls :(
- Christopher Harley
I bet you the pre-med numbers are similar, but I'm not sure universities necessarily track undergrads who aspire to go to med school. In general, how many freshmen actually stick with the major they pick when they start college?
- Victor Ganata
"Are the creative directors of Neiman Marcus and Bergdorf Goodman going to tailor their purchases according to [her tastes]? Probably not. But is Harper’s Bazaar going to sell a bunch of issues because of the novelty? Yes. Will she end up on morning shows? Yes she will," Blume said. "I don’t think she’s a fashion sage, I think she’s a novelty and I think she’s going to be used as a marketing device as a novelty."
- Jess Lee
from Bookmarklet
"With last night's double-header, Dollhouse swung firmly back towards "best thing Joss Whedon's ever done" territory. There was only one slight problem... the weak subplot involving Summer Glau. Mega spoilers below!"
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
I agree with the comment: "I'd like to see SCIFY actually start doing more of their own series similar to this one and Joss Whedon would be a great addition to that network and would probably bring them more people as well as have more freedom to develop shows that show off his particular strengths. That is if we can get the dang wrestling and reality crap of the network and get back to what they do best and why we actually like the network."
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
SyFy would be OK, but I'd rather see him on HBO
- RAPatton
"Ms. Yang and Mr. Muller met in May 2008 while working at FriendFeed, a startup social networking Web site in Mountain View, Calif." / Congratulations, guys!
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Wow, in the NY Times!!! Congratulations!!!! :)
- niniane
The first and only FriendFeed wedding!
- Sheila Taylor
There have been other FriendFeed weddings, but no double-FriendFeed weddings! And yup, this'll be the last one (unless Prop 8 falls and there are a couple other big surprises!).
- Kevin Fox
"Please re-consider your gay-hating handlers, particularly 19 Records. They clearly have too much control over your creative choices. Could that album cover have been any more straight and predictable?"
- Jess Lee
from Bookmarklet
"Speaking of Alexander Skarsgård, will we actually ever see any of Lafayette's dreams with Eric? [Laughs] I think I heard Alan Ball say there might be a scene or two... Why, do you want to see that? You wanna see me and Alex getting it on? [plenty of slash-fic screams/applause from the audience]"
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
"Has the show caused much controversy in the American South? I think so. We've been banned in Shreveport, Louisiana, from shooting in certain places, because they're morally against the message the show gives. So, there are some places in the South where I think there's some controversy. Who are your friends on the set, and who would you like to work with again? I'm probably the closest...
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- RAPatton
"How did you come up with the Lafayette character? It was a collaboration. We all threw in some ideas. The scarf thing, is 'cause my momma used to wear a lot of scarves. I think there's some Prince influence in there. We did research, went to a whole lot of gay clubs, we'd go down on the strip, so we just came up with it. We also threw in some ideas into this stew of his wardrobe. Especially his head-wraps."
- RAPatton
YES. YES IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY. *cough*
- cecily
LOL, I'm like half a milimeter away from being a full on LARPER myself... at the Ren Fest last year I was trying to justify buying a cape and wearing it around DC.
- Jason
Egnor, I think that's the exact question that I was asking when that photo was taken. Apparently brontosaurus is the obsolete name for the apatosaurus. I didn't know that.
- Jess Lee
This is worse than when they de-planeted Pluto!
- Andrew C
from Android
Omg I love it! Lately I've been doing more wireframes than actual mockups, and I wanted them to be team-editable as well, so I was using Google Doc's drawing tool. This is way better. Great find!
- Jess Lee
It's Hypercard! (edit: no it's not)
- Hayes Haugen
Anyone had experience with Balsamiq? Wondering how mockingbird compares
- Adam Kazwell
Nice, but I don't think many clients are going to enjoy being told to 'just upgrade to a PROPER browser!' when they discover they can't view the wireframes in IE
- Duncan
"Proper: Of the required type; suitable or appropriate" Could have chosen a less aggressive word, but it sounds like IE isn't a browser of the required type, so the word is technically correct in this context. The question of whether IE *should* be improper is another matter.
- Kevin Fox
I don't think it's a case of whether it's a proper browser or not, regardless of the definition; the usefulness of the app would be somewhat stunted if one half of team have problems using it. Or at least, I hope I'm not the only one who's had clients who still use IE6, and, for one reason or another, can't upgrade. Anyway, I'll shut up now, this is beta software, just hope that moving forward, they at least support IE8!
- Duncan
There is no sane reason to be developing software for IE6 anymore as it's past for even Microsoft. Yeah, they still make some random updates to it but if some companies are stuck with IE6 (for other reasons than having some software that are binded to that specific version) some might ask if their security policy is working or not.
- Daniel Schildt
It's good to develop software that works in most browsers but there is no good reason go get stuck in the past while creating something totally new. Mockingbird is meant as development tool and if some client does not want to have properly working browser, it's their problem. Wireframes are just the beginning part of UI development so there isn't need that have this kind of software working in ancient browsers (as if developers would still mainly develop everything first for IE6...).
- Daniel Schildt
@Shevonne: The original dress is an Alexander Wang ($974 at Farfetch - http://www.farfetch.com/shoppin...), but here are some similar-ish cheaper versions...
- Jess Lee
BCBG assymetrical dress - $248 at Nordstrom - http://shop.nordstrom.com/S... (I know it's satin and sleeveless, but it's still kind of similar)
- Jess Lee
BCBG drapey purple dress - $258 at BCBG - http://www.bcbg.com/product... (it's like the casual version of this dress, maybe a little more wearable)
- Jess Lee
I actually just bought a black dress like the BCBG assymetrical dress. I really want a dress like the Alexander Wang (without the price) or the one I saw Kandi wearing in the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunion.Here's a pic: http://poptimal.com/2009...
- Shevonne
Here's a TopShop version of the one shoulder dress like Kandi's, $80 at TopShop. No embellishment though, but what do you expect for $80? http://us.topshop.com/webapp...
- Jess Lee
Yeah, the iPhone is charging, so I am using my old touch right now
- RAPatton
from iPod
It sounds num. I'm a fan of the other ingredients, but buffalo?
- Araceli
from iPhone
Buffalo is just like beef really, a little leaner, plus it honors my Cherokee ancestors from eastern TN that did not get to eat the bufallo because it was too far away
- RAPatton
from iPod
I like buffalo for burgers... haven't tried it any other way. Whatever you're working on sounds delicious so far.
- SAM
It is for chili; I make an organic, gluten free chili for my eldest, it is a staple of his diet
- RAPatton
from iPod
This is the first time I've ever seen that attribution. Interesting. I've been thinking about getting an iPod Touch (since there's no way in hell I'd join AT&T).
- Spidra Webster
Robert, I do the same with ground buffalo, except I use worchestershire and add chunks of bell pepper. Serve on top of mashed potatoes *drool* If they make GF soy surely there's GF worchestershire...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Love my touch, spidra; it is what persuaded me to get an iPhone
- RAPatton
from iPod
I was a bit bummed to find their capacity is so small. For some reason I imagined they had an int HD like regular iPods.
- Spidra Webster
I've tried both, and meant, but forgot, to acquire a green pepper this morning, Tina
- RAPatton
from iPod
Spidra, mine is a 16GB and sine I remembe being geeked about my mac SE with a 20MB harddrive, I am cool with it
- RAPatton
from iPod
RAP: I was just thinking something similar this morning. I remember IBM PC XTs with 20MB hard drives; the microSD card (do you know how tiny those are??) in my phone can hold almost 1000 times more data.
- Tudor Bosman
what is with everybody and bacon today..................sends delis RAP
- VAL D. Zone
Historically, chili is made with a pork base; I prefer beef/buffalo chili, but I use a few pieces of bacon to enhance the flavor and pay tribute to history
- RAPatton
from iPod
12 MCs all played by the same guy, John Lajoie. My faves are MC Doesn't Know What Irony Is, and the MCs Lethal Weapon 1/2/3/4. NSFW for vulgarity.
- Jess Lee
Teach students to use Google and read aloud books to small children? Actually, I think we'll still need librarians to help people figure out how to find information. But they probably won't be using physical books anymore.
- Jess Lee
Don't they call it information science now?
- Louis Gray
There are many subtypes of librarian. I believe most of them will still exist in 20 years.
- Jason Wehmhoener
from iPhone
As long as there are physical structures called "libraries", there will be librarians. Do you foresee that public libraries, the Library of Congress will disappear in 20 years?
- Shakeel Mahate
I dont see academic libraries, public libraries, or other info repositories going anywhere. The job duties may evolve (and they *have* evolved to require more technology skills), but librarians arent going anywhere. Folks are already doing their best to get "library" out of the professional titles of positions and associations, though (ASKPro, anyone?), which saddens me, but it's still...
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- ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet
Haven't you guys seen this episode of Twilight Zone? It's one of the many with Burgess Meredith. You are obsolete. :)
- Curtiss Grymala
from iPhone
Some are leaders in free speech battles and beating back people who want to ban books. When Sarah Palin first became a mayor, it was the librarian who fought her attempts to ban books from the library. Libraries are still priceless in providing computers and network access to everyone.
- Ed Millard
They will be called books and only those books will be allowed view and hold an actually book. Or wait that may have been from a movie...
- Dario Gomez
What warmaiden says. I seriously doubt that in 20 years our world will be so different than it has been for the past 100 years that libraries & librarians won't exist. Unless Terence McKenna was right & the world completely changes on December 21, 2012.
- josh neff, geek at large
But the world has already changed a lot. E.g. many of the people I know who still use libraries go there to borrow free DVDs.
- Cristo
Maybe not in 20 years, but they'll all be replaced by cheap robot labor. As will lots of other jobs.
- Itachi
Good question! 20 years is not so far. Some will have specializations on numeric and archives (<- how to indexe, select, find and sale part of those enormous amounts of online books and docs, also), some will still be the same; some others will keep old books - like pocket format - if you say that, as if there are precious...
- Véronique Rabuteau
Cristo, sure the items libraries collect have changed. Libraries also offer free public access computers & free computer training to the still many people who don't have online access at home. That just shows that libraries are changing, but they aren't going extinct. Libraries aren't solely about books.
- josh neff, geek at large
joshua, I didn't say they were going to be extinct, I was just asking the question. Also, whether there are librarians or libraries are two different questions.
- Cristo
Véronique, I think libraries will turn into physical centers for accessing information remotely. Some might not have any physical books at all, or will just have them scattered around as decoration like a coffee shop. In much the same was as the shift from personal computers to cloud-based computing is occurring, I think we'll see libraries become like sophisticated Internet cafes....
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- Cristo
And it wouldn't surprise me if the title "librarian" was updated to reflect the more modern nature of libraries and their changing role. Anybody have some good ideas for a new title?
- Cristo
Archangel, that along with uniforms reflecting the role would definitely get me to go to the library to check it out. ;)
- Cristo
As long as there are libraries I'll be donating to them... where else can I have kinky nerd sex?
- Lo
Cristo, there are already information ninjas at your library. They just don't let you see them. As for the original question, I certainly think there will be librarians in 20 years, but I'm biased because I plan to be one of them. I think, as others have said, that the profession will continue to change and evolve, but I don't foresee college students learning to find information on...
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- s t e v e
People have kinky nerd sex in libraries? WHY HAVE I NOT BEEN INVITED?
- josh neff, geek at large
Try stroking the books sensually the next time you're there, maybe you'll land an invite :)
- Lo
I think so, but in a different capacity than they probably are in now.
- Derrick
Cristo: thanks. Interesting. Trying to imagine it. Just, yes technology of access, but I think people will always need guiding/advice on subjects and titles. It is exactly what is happening for now with the "I recommend" or Fwd or RT.
- Véronique Rabuteau
And...for the name, maybe librarians ans e-librarians :)
- Véronique Rabuteau
Véronique, true. But this need is not restricted to libraries, and economies of scale suggest that these capabilities will be built into clients and services. Also, as you suggest, their may be human librarians online that assist with finding information, although I think most people will turn to Google first.
- Cristo
But, but, Google is not my librarian :) Will I ask it: Hello, what kind of book do you recommand me? And then, all profile marketer selling books gathered and... zack.... this one is for sure for you, dear customer (Amazon already do it anyway). Don't know... Have to think. Thanks anyway, good opportunity to think and imagine.
- Véronique Rabuteau
And, hum, sorry for the bad english. Will ask Google what type of dictionnary I should buy (no!)
- Véronique Rabuteau
i have no idea what is going to happen in 5 years let alone 20
- Loc
Cristo, while it's true that librarians are increasingly applying their skills towards "teaching the technology of access", branch librarians and research librarians still have unique advantages over ordinary people for finding many types of information. Just being immersed in all of that info, and the queries related to it, gives you a large set of "that reminds me of..." that becomes...
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- Jason Wehmhoener
I'm thinking librarians will increase the number of random sex partners they have, and decrease the number of books they lend. ;)
- Cristo
That could very well be a very successful strategy for increasing library patronage.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Mellissa, yes. I've been known to read many books. I do this weird thing. I buy them, and then I give them to other people after I read them. Sometimes I give them to Goodwill. Nowadays I try to buy all my books through Kindle.
- Cristo
In fact, I enjoy reading books like Grapes of Wrath, which many librarians apparently find difficult/boring to read. I'm just a layman though. ;)
- Cristo
lol, Cristo, I didn't mean that the way it sounded! I meant have you stopped reading, or do you buy them instead.
- Mellissa Claus
I don't hate libraries. In fact, I actually used to enjoy them. But it doesn't fit into the instant gratification world I live in today, and I like reading books on Kindle while traveling. I'm not carrying library books to Europe.
- Cristo
I can't remember who shared this the other day on FF, but according to Strange Facts librarians have 5.9 random sex partners per year. That surprised me. http://twitter.com/Strange...,
- Jess Lee
Cristo, don't look, but there's one librarian behind your back watching you type, right now.
- Jemm
Jemm, I know. I'm one of her random sex partners for the year. ;)
- Cristo
Hey, that conversation was about two of us who didn't care for GoW when we were younger. The one who just reread it now likes it quite a bit. The one writing this comment has yet to reread it because she's currently writing a dissertation on part of libraries' public service history. As for other research, there's quite a bit relating to how library users interact with libraries, with...
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- Katy S
Katy, more importantly, are you above or below the 5.9 random sex partners per year?
- Cristo
Nice try! No comment. Anyway, I don't work in a library as a librarian - I just have the grad degree in LIS - so my "activity" doesn't affect that stat.
- Katy S
Katy, you never gave a credible answer to the original question.
- Cristo
I'm not sure what the answer is. It's true that LSW definitely has a presence here, and I'm sure that's why some people are here. Others might have come because they knew people who were already here. A few prominent library bloggers have feeds here, so that could attract some, as well. Tech and social media is part of some librarians' jobs, so they might have originally checked it out for those reasons. The reasons probably differ for all of us.
- Katy S
Hey, can I get a librarian over here? I don't know what LSW means. Also, I'm glad social media is part of a job. I've been under the impression its sole purpose is wasting time.
- Cristo
I didn't even know friendfeed was available in Libraria
- Slappy Line
LSW: http://friendfeed.com/lsw As for wasting time and social media, some librarians/libraries get reference questions through social media services. Some use sm to contact other librarians regarding professional issues. Some use it for fun.
- Katy S
Because librarians are sexy, and all the sexy people are on FF?
- Lo
And surrounded by all those delicious vegetarians? What is there to be sad about?
- Jim Norris
I went to get a burger afterwards. Am fine now!
- Jess Lee
I've heard of vegetarian places so good carnivores don't even miss the meat. ... I've never visited such a place myself.
- Andrew C
Andrew, no such place exists, my friend.
- Chieze Okoye
I've heard of them too, Andrew, but only from vegetarians, and if you're going to rule out a whole category of foods on a whim, you must not like food that much, so your opinion doesn't carry much weight with me.
- Mr. Gunn
Now imagine how often the opposite happens to vegetarians! Weddings are particularly bad. I usually eat something beforehand, and bring a Cliff bar with me so I don't pass out from starvation.
- Robert Felty
Next time that happens, let us know asap. Someone will send bacon. :)
- April Buchheit
from iPhone
:( sorry Jess...that sucks. I know sometimes fake chicken just doesn't cut it...
- Anna Lynn M.
I once went to a vegan wedding at Greens in San Francisco. The food was yummy. But we both woke up thoroughly hungry the next morning, as though we ate nothing the night before.
- Piaw Na
A whim, Mr. Gunn? That's completely false and baseless. And here I actually used to have some respect for you as a source of information.
- Ruchira S. Datta
I wondered if someone was going to give me static about calling their choice a whim. OK, so it's not a whim, it's a serious and considered decision to toss out a whole category of food. It's an indication that something (be it environmental, ethical, or other perfectly valid issue) is more important to you than food, so perhaps the person making that choice isn't necessarily going to be your go-to person for information about food.
- Mr. Gunn
Mr. Gunn, I see that your view has its own consistency. A word to the wise: if you ever do find someone to whom *nothing* is more important than food, I would suggest that when you go to them for information, you either make sure they're not hungry or stay a safe distance away.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Hey now, gourmets don't usually think of other people as food.
- Andrew C
I'm a sad cannibal trapped in an empty restaurant.
- Jim Norris
@Ruchira - too gamy, and then there's the social and legal barriers too.
- Andrew C
Andrew C, the opinions of people who would let social and legal barriers stand in the way don't carry much weight with Mr. Gunn. As for gaminess, apparently it's an acquired taste--maybe those who haven't acquired it are not true gourmands.
- Ruchira S. Datta
I think Gunn's statement can be logically reconciled with mine by stating that the axiom of what is and isn't food is fundamental to the whole concept of food...
- Andrew C
Calling it an "axiom" puts it beyond the realm of reasoning (rather like a "dogma"). So be it.
- Ruchira S. Datta
It's not axiomatic at all, it's entirely dependent on how hungry you are.
- Jim Norris
Ruchira, come on. I see what you're saying, but you're taking the facetiousness a bit too far. "Humans aren't food" is a much more common understanding among humans (hence axiom) than any of the various reasons why vegetarians don't eat meat.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze, so the basis for "Humans aren't food" is simply social conformity, which depends entirely on the milieu in which you happen to find yourself (and again is beyond the realm of reasoning). All right, I revise my warning: when you go to the person to whom nothing is more important than food, make sure they're not hungry, stay a safe distance away, or make sure there are other people like you within shouting distance.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Oh, and you'd better make sure the same will apply after you've eaten and digested the food they recommend.
- Ruchira S. Datta
OMG Jess is still trapped? It's been 19 hours! We need to send help.
- Stephen Mack
OK, so the semantics of all this and fun and everything, but let's get real. However laudable and noble their aims, a vegetarian foodie is like a painter who won't use the color red or a designer who won't include a curved surface in any design. They can be good resources on how to work within their constraints, but aren't considered general authorities. And a lot of them are just doing it for the attention (*ducks*).
- Mr. Gunn
Mr. Gunn, don't know about that. One reason Indian food is so rich (real food, not the restaurant stuff) is that the food evolved to be vegetarian in many parts of the country. People there don't choose (most anyway) to be vegetarian because it's trendy. This from someone who has literally eaten almost everything there is to eat
- Deepak Singh
I know Deepak. It was just a little snark followed up by giving Ruchira a hard time. I love y'all, for real.
- Mr. Gunn
I find that most meat eaters haven't had much good vegetarian food. I am nearly always disappointed when a meat eater cooks for me. That is why I learned to cook (and most vegetarians I know are pretty good cooks). That being said, given the choice between going to a strictly vegetarian restaurant and going to an Indian restaurant, I usually choose Indian, for several reasons. (1) It is usually cheaper. (2) It is usually more filling (3) Indians sure know their spices!
- Robert Felty
Wow, did not expect my whining to result in such a long discussion. Go FriendFeed!
- Jess Lee
Mr. Gunn, how many puppies have you eaten? And I assure you, I'm vegetarian all day, every day, whether anyone is watching or not. Where I live this actually doesn't get me much attention.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Is puppy meat suppose to be good? I guess if the puppies are properly fed (like veal) they could be tasty, although I've never encountered them on the menu. Of course, I have eaten from taco trucks, so who knows? :)
- Cristo
Nothing else is exactly the color of pus. A painter who does not keep a supply of infected wounds around to supply this color is not a true artist.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Ruchira, we generally find RGB or CMYK do a decent enough job. But I really don't think whole meat (as opposed to ground) can be adequately simulated with non-meat ingredients.
- Andrew C
I'll concede that vegetarians aren't typically going to be authorities on types of cuisine that normally feature meats as essential parts of meals, just as I confess being a neophyte when it comes to the medium of pus on canvas.
- Jim Norris
My friend prefers bacon on his veggie burgers.
- Cristo
Andrew C, if you are referring to the current state of science and technology, I agree with you. The reason RGB and CMYK work (although seriously, there are many artists who don't think using them is true art) is because our understanding of color perception is currently much more advanced than our understanding of the perception of odor or texture.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Jim, I certainly wouldn't pose as an authority on whether the chicken tikka masala in a particular restaurant is good. But Mr. Gunn is discounting my opinion on whether *any* dish in a restaurant is good. The only statement he would allow is "It's good, considering that it's vegetarian." Not, "It's good," period. Apparently since I'm vegetarian I must be out of my senses.
- Ruchira S. Datta
_The Emperor of Scent_ is a fascinating book about odor perception (and I tend to think the opinion of the central character is probably right).
- Ruchira S. Datta
It's usually the opposite for some of us. Please try the setan.
- Jacob
Bret Taylor is the best PM in the entire world and is one of the few people I would consider doing a startup with. http://friendfeed.com/bret
- Jess Lee
Louis Gray is one of the few people I've met IRL through Friendfeed and he is totally awesome. Great writer/blogger/journalist, incredibly nice, and father to adorable twins. http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- Jess Lee
We started out as arch enemies but he quickly became one of my favorite people on FriendFeed - sharp, clever, with a great sense of humor http://friendfeed.com/cristob... :)
- Mona Nomura
i have a big head, but fortunately the rest of my body proportions are a match.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I want to see a whole movie filmed where the characters wear these heads. I know, weird.
- EricaJoy
Come to think of it, Keith Knight (of the comic strips Th(ink) and The K Chronicles) used to have a papier-mache version of his cartoon head. I think he said in a strip a friend made it for him... he appears on the back cover of one of his books wearing it. It's pretty awesome.
- Andrew C
I love how superhero comic book articles on Wikipedia are just insanely full of information. I mean, the Kitty Pryde article is not a whole lot shorter, if any, than George Washington's.
Haha. Why the sad face? It's suppose to be funny. ;)
- Cristo
Anyway, Mona. I'm sure your crush is just unaware of your awesomeness. Their missed opportunity. Plus they're probably a felon, worried about your googling them.
- Cristo
Hahahha FAR from it but that's ok ;) ...and thanks for your words. Wow. Being complimented by you is HUGE LOL
- Mona Nomura
that is the first Cristo compliment i've seen. holy crap. I am taking a screenshot. (BTW - Mona you rock, it's his loss!)
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Mona I can't believe he didn't think you'd Googled him already. Isn't it just assumed now? Luddite. Lose him!
- anna sauce
I know - that's why it's so huge, Jeff! Anna - no no, it was me. *I* was the one who didn't Google until a few days ago!
- Mona Nomura
Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF) has declared this crush unworthy of Mona-ness.
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Oh you guys - I was only half kidding. I was feeling sorry for myself so I Tweeted it out. Damn FriendFeed - Tweets are usually "farts in the wind" but on FriendFeed they stick around and haunt LOL
- Mona Nomura
Responding to Jesse above... I did not ban Jesse from meeting Mona. I had a 1-1 lunch with Drew, and was surprised to see Mona later. Jesse and I were happy to meet Mona at BWE, but we didn't catch up.
- Louis Gray
I would've never met LG, if Drew hadn't texted me! I <3 Drew and I heart LG - actually, we laughed through the entire sitting :)
- Mona Nomura
Were you at the TechSet party? OMG that was insane LOL
- Mona Nomura
Yeah - Louis and I were both there looking for you :-)
- Jesse Stay
Shut up? I was at Brian Solis' table downstairs. And...well... the rest stays in Vegas, but a few VERY well known people were WAY out of control LOL
- Mona Nomura
Mona, we both went back to our rooms and blogged - that's how Louis and I roll :-)
- Jesse Stay
Haha - actually the BWE parties and networking events SUCKED. The music was WAY too loud and the drinks were too expensive. I was extremely fortunate to be invited to the parties w/ open bars.
- Mona Nomura
Confession: I don't know what BWE, TechSet, or Caramel is. :(
- Cristo
BWE = BlogWorldExpo. TechSet was the opening party at Bellagio, and Caramel was the club where an after party by invite only was held. :) But that is neither here nor there. In this thread, we saw the first Chris White compliment EVER 2. a Tweet that was supposed to just...carry on is haunting me and 3. I am still embarrassed.
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
How many compliments can I give before they become diluted?
- Cristo
Wow, what a coincidence. I googled you too! ;-)
- jcunwired
...wow, I usually google before the first date...
- .LAG liked that
Good lord, why is this still active? LOL
- Mona Nomura
People are fascinated that someone so well known and cute would be crushing on a guy. ;)
- Cristo
And I am so not well known! But I am human, too, you know. Just extremely private about my private life and I NEVER EVER date bloggers / social media megaphoners. ;)
- Mona Nomura
See, Mona, we miss you over here at FriendFeed and still find you endlessly fascinating when you give us those tiny glimpses into your life. :) We live for scraps these days.
- Lindsay
So did we ever find out who this crush is? I think your FriendFeed family should be allowed to google him as well, just to make sure we approve. :-)
- Jason Huebel
You guys - he's still just a crush! And you are all like brothers and sisters who would totally scare the poor guy away ;) But if feels good to see you guys care. I love you guys!!!!!
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Mona, you're not leveraging your brand equity?
- Andrew C
oh i missed this from earlier. but the weird thing is that they're the same cupcakes by different people! these ones are much more professional looking somehow.
- Jess Lee
Yours are cuter - I didn't choose that one, because there too many. I looked at the photo and all I heard in my head was: Coooo-key Coooo-key Coooooo-key. This one was more coooooooooo-key. (edit - I just realized how crazy I sound when I type whatever I'm thinking w/ no filter. #notnutjob)
- Mona Nomura
I saw something like that a while ago and made my own version. I love the crumbled cookie one!
- Deborah Fitchett
I'm pretty stoked for this. They seem to have captured the feel of the game really well. I'm jonesing for another Pirates of the Caribbean style blockbuster.
- Michael Scarpelli
haha kelly, that's what my roommate said. i'm also on team naveen andrews. :D
- Jessie
What's wrong with Gyllenhaal? I think he's pretty good. People had the same reaction to Matt Damon as Bourne and he kicked some serious ass in those movies. Naveen is awesome, but Gyllenhaal actually looks more like the character and is a name that will bring people to the theater.
- Michael Scarpelli
I guess he doesn't look like what I imagined prince of persia would look like? Plus he's kinda whiny....I actually like him ok as an actor, but for this role I'm skeptical. Totally going to see the movie still though
- Kelly
i also like him as an actor, but i can't see him in this movie without thinking "jake gyllenhaal." maybe if he had contacts or something, but as it is he looks almost out of place here.
- Jessie
i will still totally go see the movie though. probably with kelly.
- Jessie
Yeah, I will give you that. When they first released press shots of him all buffed out for the role, it was almost comical. Like someone had put him in a Halloween muscle suit. But yeah, the Prince in the games was awfully white-washed. Always something I found odd. http://foxyurl.com/KZv and http://foxyurl.com/KZx
- Michael Scarpelli
and I agree, those first shots of him do look like he's wearing a muscle suit ;p
- Kelly
Meh. I'll need more than this trailer to make me go, I think. It looks looks a weird combination of PotC & LotR. Also that cast is, generally speaking, very unPerisan.
- Soup
Mona: you can turn off the Posterous auto FriendFeed publishing and just use your Posterous feed as a "blog" service http://mona.posterous.com/rss.... Posterous supports SUP so new entries come into FriendFeed very quickly (under 60 seconds). You'll still get pretty pictures too. That's how I do it: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks Ben! It's awesome how you guys are still listening - followed your advice. :)
- Mona Nomura
Ya, it's ok. Just gives me incentive to rush back to FriendFeed and delete the lame auto-plug from Posterous ;)
- Mona Nomura
'manage' -> 'Autopost to everywhere' -> 'Edit' of ff -> 'Advanced options' -> change 'Posted via {{method}} from {{site_name}}' to '{{snippet}}'
- NaHi
from f2p
So this is basically a burger sprinkled with MSG and crack, right? WANT!
- Jess Lee
It's on my top list of things to eat when I get to LA :)
- Mona Nomura