Can you remind me again where to find those stats?
- Brian Johns
Brian, go to "Me" link (http://friendfeed.com/brianjo...) which defaults to the Feed tab. Look at the sidebar on the right, below Discussion.
- Micah
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here
- mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week!
- Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page)
- Micah
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals...
- Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like.
- Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in.
- Micah
from twhirl
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem.
- Bren
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments
- Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief!
- Lindsay
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both)
- Micah
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks!
- Micah
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots)
- Micah
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up.
- Tyson Key
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology....
- David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39
- David HC Soul
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others).
- Micah
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :)
- Micah
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!)
- Micah
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas.
- Micah
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good!
- Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me.
- Micah
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments.
- Bren
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it.
- Micah
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!!
- Chris Myles
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine!
- Micah
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments)..
- Chris Myles
Likes are down relative to comments, which matches my much lower frequency of liking. I'm a more selective liker than ever.
- Micah
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience.
- Micah
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff)
- chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered?
- Micah
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while...
- Bren
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically.
- Micah
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better.
- Bren
In 4 days it will be 1 year since my first recorded stat here. My comments/like were almost a 1:1 ratio then. Now comments are almost double likes for me.
- Micah
75,415 comments/1,286 likes = 58.64 - i wish the auto inserted comments didn't get counted... the true number is probably much much close ot my number of likes
- Chris Heath
1.97%. thanks again micah, this has been a great metric to measure my first year here on ff. As the year went (this being the first record of me being here that i've found): , 6.43%:1.25%:1.97%
- chaz2b
Chris, Bren, thank you. And chaz2b, thank you too - glad it's a special marker for you. :)
- Micah
63.58 (97,534/1,534) -- interesting that my last three digits are the same there, eh? (note, i already posted a month or two ago when i first saw this thread)
- Chris Heath
Last year my comments were around 7000 and likes around 2500, for a ratio of 2.80. I consciously chose to do more liking over the last year. As of today my comments number 10,782 and likes number 7,666, for a ratio of 1.41.
- Stephen Mack
Jason, Stephen - cool. Thanks for keeping updated here. :)
- Micah
Okay, Micah. <----I had to resist the urge not to post that because I know it's going to up my comment count. ;)
- Jenny R
But how many of those primordial, high interest posts are still active. Uh huh. :)
- Micah
Thanks, Morton. BTW, when you posted in February, it was exactly 0.13 also.
- Micah
Jenny, resistance is futile; embrace the rising tide of comments.
- Micah
Comments are more difficult and time consuming than Likes. I'd be happy about a high comment:likes ratio except that many are surely imported from feeds, while every Like is manual.
- Mike Chelen
it has changed to 2.2256 now as Sep, 6 2010.Labor Day. :) I added the date for future references.
- ۳۰ مرغ Loves Y'ALLLLL
Two years later and my ratio has climbed from 3.4 to 4.675. I've got a lot to say, apparently.
- Kevin Fox
Funnily, I didn't notice until after leaving that comment that when I reported my stat in 2009 I also followed it up with "I've got stuff to say." I didn't say it was *new* stuff...
- Kevin Fox
2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago). for history's sake, this thread was started shortly after i found friendfeed, or friendfeed found me, so it holds a special place in my heart. thanks for keeping it around mr micah
- chaz2b
You're certainly welcome, chaz2b. In some way it feels like a living heirloom to me. :)
- Micah
3 (2.991) (and now the list has become too lengthy for me to track my progress, ;) [dumb me, i have a post not 10 lines ago in history, from 090711 2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago) ;) ]
- chaz2b
"I'd also point out that the goal of Dart is to serve *both* the source (or an easily-reverse-engineered snapshot), *and* javascript-compiled output for backwards-compatibility. So you don't lose any visibility over what you get from Javascript today. Except that in some cases you'll *gain* visibility, because Dart won't have the same need to be minimized, squished, concatenated, obfuscated, etc., just to get decent startup performance."
- Joel Webber
"If you want a sneak peak, check out the source spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreads... There are two "test" columns at the right, which include tweaked versions of the Emscripten and Java code (in the Emscripten case, it's fully optimized, with an updated compiler; in Java it now avoids the slow builtin Math.sin/cos() functions). I'll update the post later today. (Colors? I presume you mean on the graphs. If you have suggestions for alternatives, please be my guest. Or just copy the spreadsheet and tweak them to your heart's content)"
- Joel Webber
"The top part of the first graph isn't intended to be readable -- it's simply intended to show that the JSVMs all cluster roughly together in a completely different order-of-magnitude from the JVM and native code."
- Joel Webber
"Physics performance matters, which is why I chose to measure it. First off, the slightly snarky comment below ("If you spend 90 ms less on physics per frame, ...") hits on a very important point -- every cycle you spend doing one thing is a cycle you can't spend on something else. You could argue (as some do on this thread) that at some point the performance becomes irrelevant because your game's humming along happily at 60fps. But there's an important fallacy here -- on what hardware? Just because a game's running smoothly on your nice beefy development machine doesn't mean it's going to run well on lesser hardware (you know, the machines your users actually have). And even if you hit a buttery-smooth 60fps on a mobile phone, it's not much use if you're pegging the CPU at 100% all the time and dragging the battery down with you. One nitpick: Your pixel shaders (presuming you're using the GPU) are running on separate hardware that executes in parallel. But of course you can always..."
- Joel Webber
"This is definitely not an integer-heavy benchmark, but they still get used plenty in the course of almost any code -- as enumerated values, loop variables, and so forth. As pointed out elsewhere on this thread, Javascript does mostly lack integers as user-visible constructs (though they do peek out in a couple of places, such as the bitwise operators), but most VMs will use them under the hood when possible. I know V8 stores integers directly in both locals and fields when it can (hence the tag bit mentioned below). The thing with *really* integer-heavy benchmarks is that they highlight the kind of code that doesn't come up that often anymore because it's better offloaded to a dedicated processor -- mainly DSP-like things such as image processing and audio mixing. Not that I wouldn't prefer that these things be faster when done on the CPU in JS, of course, but Box2D is the kind of code that *can't* easily be offloaded (even libraries like PhysX that use GPUs still do a lot of work on..."
- Joel Webber
"The emscripten code for this benchmark was using js ArrayBuffers, but as noted in the article there were some compiler bugs keeping it from reaching its best performance. The author has since fixed them, and the numbers look a good bit better now (with half the variance as well). I'll point this out in an update."
- Joel Webber
jgw on Internal Google-document: "We will strongly encourage Google developers start off targeting Chrome-only whenever possible as this gives us the best end user experience". So much for the open web, eh? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"This is a stunningly uninformed comment. First off, practically all complex Ajax apps perform at least client-side UA-sniffing, and will break in some way if said sniffing fails. This is an unavoidable consequence of the gigantic morass of incompatibilities that is the web today. You can get to a certain point with "feature detection", but there's a nearly unbounded set of cases where this doesn't cut it. Second, GWT (like many purely-Javascript libraries) lets you work directly with the native browser APIs, and there are some libraries available that abstract this away to some extent. This is true of everything from Dojo to YUI to jQueryUI and others. Third, only a subset of Google properties are built using GWT. Many (e.g., Gmail) use the Closure libraries, which *also* provides similar (and similarly optional) abstractions for components. Finally, tablet and mobile web UIs are a very new, and rapidly evolving space. New versions of mobile browsers come out frequently. This leads to..."
- Joel Webber
"Do you seriously think Americans aren't aware of Nokia's contribution to the evolution of cell phones (they didn't "invent" them, but of course they contributed heavily to their development over the years). But read Elop's recent letter -- he's absolutely right that Nokia has managed to completely cede the smartphone market to others over the past decade or so, even while starting from an impressive lead (and no, Meego, Symbian, and all that don't count -- apart from some sales in Europe, they have completely flopped elsewhere). So the sarcasm stands -- innovation is about the company's current trajectory, not their past performance."
- Joel Webber
"Do you seriously think Americans aren't aware of Nokia's contribution to the evolution of cell phones (they didn't "invent" them, but of course they contributed heavily to their development over the years). But read Elop's recent letter -- he's absolutely right that Nokia has managed to completely cede the smartphone market to others over the past decade or so, even while starting from an impressive lead (and no, Meego, Symbian, and all that don't count -- apart from some sales in Europe, they have completely flopped elsewhere). So the sarcasm stands -- innovation is about the company's current trajectory, not their past performance."
- Joel Webber
I just wish it was this good in Chrome's Omnibox....
- Nathan Snyder
Can anyone point me to publications/papers/research on Google Suggest? Naively, it seems to be like - "SELECT query,count FROM query_logs WHERE query LIKE 'user_query%' ORDER BY count DESC LIMIT 10".
- Space Cowboy
@Cowboy: I don't know of any public papers, but I'm guessing there's a lot of offline processing to extract common queries and phrases. I seriously doubt it could be this fast coming out of a SQL database :)
- Joel Webber
"It depends heavily on a bunch of factors -- cpu, video card, browser (Chrome's still doing expensive buffer read-backs for each frame), etc. The video's also not terribly indicative of the actual frame rate -- compression really changes things. I've definitely hit 60+ fps on my beefy desktop machine, but YMMV."
- Joel Webber
"It depends heavily on a bunch of factors -- cpu, video card, browser (Chrome's still doing expensive buffer read-backs for each frame), etc. The video's also not terribly indicative of the actual frame rate -- compression really changes things. I've definitely hit 60+ fps on my beefy desktop machine, but YMMV."
- Joel Webber
"Exactly. Adobe makes good tools, and I hope they continue to do so for whatever technology platform gives the best user experience. As new HTML technologies like WebGL become mainstream, I suspect Adobe will build tools for them."
- Joel Webber
"Exactly. Adobe makes good tools, and I hope they continue to do so for whatever technology platform gives the best user experience. As new HTML technologies like WebGL become mainstream, I suspect Adobe will build tools for them."
- Joel Webber
Does Chrome have an equivalent to "Proxy Button"? (I guess it's a bit ironic that the need to easily switch to using the Google corp proxy is part of what keeps me on Firefox...) Also, this was on my Mac, and Chrome is pretty rough on the Mac right now.
- Laurence Gonsalves
I don't actually know... I'm still using FF on my mac too.
- Jim Norris
Laurence, MacOS lets you set proxies on a per-network basis. Why are you setting browser proxies at all? (Safari knows no such concept, and neither does Chrome for Mac.)
- Daniel Dulitz
from iPhone
I hear you with the browser proxies Laurence and there is a hacky workaround for setting up a browser proxy in Chrome. Shoot me an email at work and I'll tell you what I did to solve the issue. Chrome has been a champ for me otherwise.
- EricaJoy
Daniel: I'd never thought to look in the system prefs for HTTP proxies, but I now see that I can set different proxies for different "locations", and these seem to apply to Chrome. Thanks.
- Laurence Gonsalves
I don't think Firefox even knows which windows are taking up your CPU -- I imagine its single-process architecture makes that rather difficult to find out.
- Joel Webber
An annoyance with having the proxy set at the system level: changing the "Location" while Time Machine is doing a backup seems to abort the backup. (The only difference between my "Locations" is the HTTP proxy setting, which shouldn't affect Time Machine at all, but apparently changing the Location breaks all open connections, which I guess causes the network drive to get unmounted at least temporarily.)
- Laurence Gonsalves
Thanks! I had given up on looking for one since I thought that it wouldn't be possible on the Mac (given that there isn't even a proxy setting in Mac Chrome), but one of those does claim to work with Mac OS X. (The other says it's Windows only...)
- Laurence Gonsalves
Ok, I just tried the one that says it works with Mac OS X. Every time you toggle the proxy a dialog for "scutil" pops up asking for your password. "scutil" is apparently some sort of system tool for "managing system configuration parameters", so it appears that this thing is actually adjusting the system's proxy setting.
- Laurence Gonsalves
Yeah, it's really fun to use and the controller is pretty intuitive. The heat from all of those screens makes it a little toasty after a while.
- Simon
Kind of cheating -- this is from work :)
- Joel Webber
Hah. Almost looks like a graph scaling issue. Does it go past 20?
- Matt M (inactive)
I think it's actually about 20. The funny thing is that our connection from ATL to MTV still sucks sometimes, but to datacenters in the southeast it's pretty phenomenal.
- Joel Webber
At the very least, I'd like to run Noscript (not available yet), Adblock Plus. and of course the wonderful, essential, Feedly
- Andrew Terry
"Twitter Reactions" was one of them. A button I can click on to see tweets people have made that link to the page I'm on (with resolution for most URL shorteners).
- Kevin Fox
I'm a 'no extensions' type of guy myself but there are some things that are just too good to pass up: 1Password, Evernote Web Clipper, Feedly, Google Mail Checker Plus, Google Wave Notifier, and Speed Dial.
- Akiva
I feel I don't ever have to write opinion on new products at all. It's easier to just find someone who agrees with you. And on the internet, there's always at least *one* person who agrees with you. :)
- Meryn Stol
Steve Rubel's commentary was great too. "Serenity, please."
- Meryn Stol
the headline's probably better than the post i bet
- Chris Heath
"a catnip toy for new media wanker-pundits who love it because it gives them something to blather on about" -- as opposed to this particular wanker-pundit, who now also has something to blather on about.
- Joel Webber
What Gary said. Specifically, systems like AppEngine are meant to be scalable by strongly encouraging (well, requiring, for all intents and purposes) a stateless server model. A long-lived socket connection, by contrast, is meant to do the precise opposite. I suspect the AppEngine team is thinking about this sort of thing w.r.t. XMPP and WebSockets, but I'm not sure how they'll resolve this dichotomy.
- Joel Webber
I agree, Gary, you definitely have to deal with dropped connections on both sides to make apps work correctly. On the server side, the code looks almost identical to the long-polling code, except you "send a message" rather than finish the HTTP response, but I don't think you can get rid of the concept of cursors and connection restarts without losing messages on dropped connections.
- Bret Taylor
What are "cursors" in this context? Seems like the logical thing would be to have a message queue fabric that uses WebSockets and/or other transports to send, receive, and acknowledge messages, with stateless handlers that are invoked for incoming messages, can access storage resources, and can enqueue new outgoing messages (not necessarily to the same client). (I don't know anything about GAE's plans.)
- ⓞnor
Right, thanks. The message fabric would need to have message queues which can be indexed with the cursors. So state is kept in the message queues ("above") and the storage layer ("below"), but message handlers (app logic) can be stateless. This model might not be very efficient if you have to keep loading and saving a lot of state for every message, but you have that problem with HTTP servers too, and the same solutions (memory based cacheservers, sticky-but-unreliable session objects, etc) apply.
- ⓞnor
No question that sockets *can* be used in an essentially stateless manner, as long as both sides are resilient to dropped connections. One assumes the servlet/handler/whatever would need to be terminated automatically when resources are needed. But the server would need to be very carefully constructed such that it could always recover lost state when this happens.
- Joel Webber
Agreed, Gary. But for something like AppEngine, we're talking about the need to be resilient to the equivalent of a server restart with very little notice, more frequently than would happen naturally. I believe this would mean being essentially stateless, even though you're keeping a socket connection open to a client, which is certainly possible, but not a necessity one would expect...
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- Joel Webber
Bret, I love this web socket daemon feature, hope all the web clients/servers implement this API soon.
- Orlando Pozo