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Joel Webber
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Micah
What is your FF Comments/Likes Ratio? (Comments divided by Likes to 2nd decimal place - as of now) - http://flickr.com/photos...
What is your FF Comments/Likes Ratio? (Comments divided by Likes to 2nd decimal place - as of now)
1.05 (670/633) - Micah from Bookmarklet
Can you remind me again where to find those stats? - Brian Johns
Brian, go to "Me" link (http://friendfeed.com/brianjo...) which defaults to the Feed tab. Look at the sidebar on the right, below Discussion. - Micah
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here - mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week! - Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page) - Micah
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals... - Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like. - Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in. - Micah from twhirl
0.79 - Brian Roy
0.77 - Eric
0.67 - Nine
0.77 - Shey
0.76 - FFing Enigma
1.39. - Rochelle
1.61 - I only 'like' when I want to throw my support behind a topic but don't have anything constructive to add. - Bjorn Stromberg
1.12 - Tinfoil 2.0
5.08 (3181/626) ! - ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem. - Bren
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments - Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief! - Lindsay
@Cee Bee I think you meant 0.62 - ◄ani625Ξ ಠ_ಠ
1.27 (902/705) - Leandro Ardissone ⍨
yes, thanks for the correction. lindsay, you're making me feel bad. lol - Cee Bee
0.8576, I only like mostly when I'm going to comment - Mol, FF Music Lover
1.55 endlessly repeating. This Like/Comment included. - Dana D
before this comment: .69 I kid you not. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both) - Micah
CSV_A: 1.05,0.75,1.44,0.81,3.74,0.79,0.77,0.67,0.77,0.76,1.39,1.8,1.61,1.12,0.141,5.08,2.41,0.66,.39,0.62,.62,1.27,0.8576,1.551,0.69 - Micah
1.83 - Grant Bierman
I tend to like allot of photos which really don't need comments. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks! - Micah
.37 1002/2708 - Michael Fidler
this is what scobes walls would like if he didnt have FF - sean percival
I haven't seen Marc Canter's fabled fence (just heard about it), but I imagine this but on wood pickets :) - Micah
This week: 2.48 (1162:467) but this is not the norm, my likes usually match or are higher than comments, overall: 0.95 (14228:14846). - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Michael, Kol! I'll recalculate average/median when we build up some more data points here. - Micah
1.03 748/723 - Keith - @tsudo
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link. - Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots) - Micah
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up. - Tyson Key
*bump* - Micah
Thanks, Mark! - Micah
Thanks Spidra! - Micah
0.95 (1520/1604) - it's 2+ months later, and my ratio flipped (more Likes by .05) - Micah
.7 (1204/1724) - before this comment at least. - Rachel Lea Fox
Thanks, Rachel! - Micah
3.46 (3665/1057) before this comment and like. - Kevin Fox
Thanks, Kevin. 3+ is quite the comment on your commenting activities :) - Micah
I've got stuff to say. - Kevin Fox
3.98 (900/226) - Richard Lawler
1.02 (3538/3484) for sofarsofarshaun - Micah
.34 (600/1747, not counting this comment) - Michael Hocter
Thank you, Siavash and Michael - Micah
.52 overall, but .68 this week. - Rebecca Lasley
Nice, thanks Rebecca. - Micah
1.31 - Rah-PM 2012
0.56 - imabonehead
Rah and imabonehead - rock on! (Richard too!) - Micah
0.16 - Anne Bouey
1.39 - JCunwired
4.62 (287/62) -- Yikes! I'm chatty. - Ted Roden
Thank you kindly, Anne, jcunwired and Ted. - Micah
2.63 - Bryce Roney
Thanks for joining in, Bryce. - Micah
.15 all time, .13 this week. - Lix
Thank you, Alix and David! (and Alix, you're tied with Siavash for the Highest Like ratio. Wow). - Micah
2.94 - j1m
Thank you, j1m. Ok, I'm gonna roll this up into a csv and call it a night. - Micah
CSV_B: 0.95,0.7,3.46,3.98,1.02,0.15,0.34,0.52,1.31,0.56,0.16,1.39,4.62,2.63,0.15,0.52,2.94 - Micah
this week = 0.45%, alltime = 6.43% - chaz2b
CSV_B Mean: 1.49 (previous mean for CVS_A: 1.27) - Micah
Of course the numbers can easily lie, but I'm gonna say it anyway: "We're getting more conversational, people!" - Micah
0.49 (493/988) - Bluesun 2600
816 / 2502 = 0.326139089 overall | 50 / 233 = 0.214592275 this week I like much more than I comment. (maths via google) - Chris Loft
3026/5013 = 0.6036 - Roger Chen
chaz2b, Bluesun 2600, Roger, Nicholas — thank you! - Micah
5.25 but I don't know what this *means, yet. maybe I'm just stingy with my "likes" compared to others? - Marg Uerite
Thanks jamar78 and Marg! - Micah
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology.... - David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39 - David HC Soul
*bump* - Micah
1.26 (2965/2346) - Micah
Thanks, Glen and pea! - Micah
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others). - Micah
.38 - Ryan Dadey
Ryan, I have to say, that's one high caliber ratio ;) - Micah
An update it's .44 which is an improvement from .36 - Michael Fidler
1.5 exactly - Ahsan Ali
2.94 1040/354 I have likes set to post to twitter automatically, so I'm careful with them. :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
0.85 - Steven Perez
0.73 up from 0.66 on Jan 08 - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
0.37 for the week past, 0.45 on the whole. - Parth Awasthi
Michael, Anthony, Ahsan, guruvan Steven, sıɹɥɔ and Parth - thanks for dropping in your stats! - Micah
5.81 i'm not using it as does everyone else here. that is fer sure. - Marg Uerite
But remember, the comment counts also includes comments imported from other services. - Ahsan Ali
Ahsan, huh, I'd never considered that. - Micah
17942/30571=.59 - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Alex, thank you, sir. - Micah
ALmost 2:1 exactly. - Amani
Much obliged, Amani. - Micah
3062/5777 you do the maths. - Will Higgins™
.53 (3062/5777) for Will Higgins #math-on-demand-services - Micah
Thank you, amin/gnu - Micah
1.45 (4374/3026) - Micah
0.92 now. I think the movie reviews have been getting me closer to a 1 to 1 ratio. - Steven Perez
Steven, yep, you were a 0.85 in April. - Micah
2.10 now ... - Amani
0.97 now. - Eric Johnson
Amani, so your comments have climbed a bit. - Micah
Thanks, Eric. - Micah
yes, but i am not consciously "not liking" things - Amani from IM
Probably, just chattier then :) - Micah
I'm down from 7.16 to 6.94 :-) - Ken Sheppardson
the live NBA playoff threads have ALOT to do with it. - Amani from IM
Ken, the FCC may be interested to explore how your "I'm down" may be offensively self-deprecating ;) - Micah
.56 eeep, must try harder - Threepwood
4.52. I don't bother to like things I've commented on, since commenting already flags it as interesting. - Andy Bakun
0.46 (1698/3638) - Glenn Slaven
Threepwood, Andy, Glenn - thanks (Andy, that's my mo too; then I'll Like if it warrants a "double vote"). - Micah
1.31 (4,471/3,401) - Karoli
Thanks, Karoli. And the both of us have a _very_ similar ratio and absolute numbers. wow. - Micah
Thanks, Ryo! - Micah
Andy, scroll upward and you'll see a couple calculations from before (January: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81) - Micah
In March the Mean was: 1.49 - Micah
1.021276595744680851063829787234042553191489361702127659... via Wolfram Alpha - tom murphy
Thanks, tom. And though a bit verbose, your friend Wolfram is resourceful :D - Micah
0.55 (254/444) - Willem (@wim66) ☠
Thank you, Willem. - Micah
In April you were 0.97, so you're liking more / commenting less. - Micah
1.88 (779/414) - Ton Zijp
Thanks, Ton. - Micah
0.43 (3597/8305). - Parth Awasthi
0.74 (1970/2667) - S of 2C
And thank you Parth, Scott. - Micah
Parth, compared to your April numbers, you've been consistent. - Micah
2.12 is my ratio. - Rick Cogley
Thanks, Rick! - Micah
Np Micah. What is that photo? - Rick Cogley
.54 (4148/7674) Updated! - Michael Fidler
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :) - Micah
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!) - Micah
1.82 from 798 comments / 438 likes - David Damore
Thanks, nivé and David! - Micah
2027/1594 = 1.27 - Brome
0.58 - Marc Dong
2.9 (3,242/1,116) mhhh.. time to straighten my use of FF a bit.. thanks for this entry - Thierry R. Andriamirado
Brome, Marc and Thierry - thank you! - Micah
Thierry - yeah, 2.9 is fairly high - got to pick the pace on like side :) [but hey, whatever works for you is fine] - Micah
Thank you Nicholas and MiniMage! - Micah
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas. - Micah
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good! - Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me. - Micah
It's that time again. - Micah
Thanks, Laura! (you're a 50-caliber gal!) - Micah
0.64 - Imabug
Thank you, Imabug. - Micah
4.67 (I'm greedy :p) - directeur
0.99 - Steven Perez
About 1:2 comment to likes at this time - RAPatton from iPod
1.06 - Vicarbott
.63 - metalerik
Thanks Imabug, directeur, Steven, RAPatton, Jim, Brent and metalerik! - Micah
0.78 - Pete D
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments. - Bren
.11 - Penguin
And thank you Jimminy, Pete, Bren and Penguin! - Micah
2.47 as of right now. - Jonas, Leper of FF
Micah, are you doing something with these numbers? If so sounds interesting. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it. - Micah
Jonas, James and Kurt - thanks you! - Micah
You're welcome. I hope the results do some good. :-) - Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
.31. I have almost 4 times as many likes as comments. - edythe
Thank you edythe and Eric! - Micah
195/245 makes 0.8 rounded not including this one which would be 196/245 making 0.8 unrounded, - tom murphy
Thanks, Tom. - Micah
1.98 (588/297) - Bryan Zirkel
1.67 (19,550/11,684) - Mitchell Tsai
Bryan, Mitchell and Jeff P. - thanks, guys! - Micah
1.18 - it's always been close to 1, since day one, for some reason. - Laura Norvig
Wow, Penguin is a prolific liker! - Laura Norvig
2.67 (875/328) - Nathalie
Thank you, Nathalie! - Micah
1.29 - Mark J
Thanks, Spidra and Mark! - Micah
0.49 - Jammy Lee
Jammy and Mathew, thank you very much. - Micah
I don't know I just like that picture - Brian Hendrickson
.40 - Ben Hanten
Mine was exactly 2:1 about a week ago. Did a screenshot when I had 2,000 comments and 1,000 likes. - Just Joe from iPod
SuezanneC, Brian, B E N and Joe - thank you all very much! - Micah
Joe, it's like see the odometer click through a nice round number - it's just inexplicably engaging. :) - Micah
1.40, nearly the square root of two. - Vezquex
Thanks, Raphael and Andy! - Micah
1.15 (6777/5873) - JA Castillo
12.23 (844 / 69 ) I guess I take my likes seriously ;) - Chris Myles
1.63 - Serkan Mutlu
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!! - Chris Myles
.87 - Nine
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine! - Micah
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments).. - Chris Myles
1.78 (8529/4782) - Micah
Likes are down relative to comments, which matches my much lower frequency of liking. I'm a more selective liker than ever. - Micah
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience. - Micah
383/372 - Ashish
'Just clicking "Like" seems too easy' — Jason, that's because you're from the Chatty-ite tribe :) - Micah
Thanks, ashish. - Micah
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff) - chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered? - Micah
When I first saw this: 1.91 Sept 28: 1.94 - MiniMage, enterRUPPted
536 comments in the last month has me at .8736...still creeping toward 1.00 - Bren
Thanks, MiniMage (2x participant!), Bren (3x!) and Shannon (your inaugural visit!) - Micah
Thank you, SustainedEuphoria. - Micah
I 'liked" this to change my ratio! (1.22 1040/850) - Mark J
Thanks, Mark. - Micah
1.45 - Brett Kelly
Thanks, Brett :) - Micah
5.67 all time. Second highest ratio on here. Woot! I love to talk. - Kevin L
Thank you both, Kevin and mridul (the two of you balance it each well :) - Micah
1.80 (10,189 / 5,666) [compared to Likes, my Comments still continue to rise] - Micah
1.02 (10323/10161) - Bren
.5666 currently (30,084/53,093) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Thanks, Bren. - Micah
Thank you, Alex :) - Micah
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while... - Bren
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically. - Micah
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better. - Bren
Thanks, Sarah, Tutivillus. - Micah
1.19 - Joe Bonner
Micah this is like 11 months ago, I see you have almost doubled your rate. lets make a graph for everybody now, :) - ۳۰ مرغ Loves Y'ALLLLL
Quick, someone write a greasemonkey script to inline some google charts! (tap-tap-tap...wut? don't look at me ;) - Micah
Thanks, Joe. And you thank you, Mahmood :) - Micah
Thanks, Glen! Your comments in the ratio have gone up too. - Micah
1.70 (it was 1.41 on Jan 8) - WoH: Minding her Steves
WorldofHiglet, thank you :) The comments are strong in this one. - Micah
0.64 (2,589/4,051) - Chieze Okoye
0.58 - Thomas Page
Chieze and Thomas - thank you! - Micah
*bumpage* - Micah
So, Micah, we never did find out what you were doing with this info.... - WoH: Minding her Steves
2.21 (2,812/1,275) - Rene, Pro Button Pusher
0.27 (5637/20234) - I only see a couple people lower than me. - John (bird whisperer)
4.06 (747/184) - Jan Ole Peek
WoH, World Domination. - Micah
Rene, John and Jan - thank you, all three! :) - Micah
0.97 (6,694/6,929) - Jimminy, CoG of FF
Thank you J., Jimminy and آقای تلخک :) - Micah
2.23 - Paola Bonomo
0.71 (8,200/11,551) updated - Michael Fidler
0.03 (284 / 10378)! - Daniel Rowley
Thanks Paola, Michael, Artemko, J. and Daniel! - Micah
*thanks Christopher thoroughly* - Micah
14.86 (1442/97) I'm going the wrong way!! - Chris Myles
1.77 (11831/6622) - Micah
0.56 (2059/3703) - Joel Webber
0.89 (1,766/1,986) - chrisofspades
Thanks, Joel and Chris! - Micah
In 4 days it will be 1 year since my first recorded stat here. My comments/like were almost a 1:1 ratio then. Now comments are almost double likes for me. - Micah
jamar78, same trend for you, it looks. :) - Micah
1.00 a year later. {edit -- screwed it up the first time. not telling what I did.} - Vicarbott
Thanks, Jim! - Micah
.52 this year. - LB so u no it's real
Thank you, Laura =) - Micah
75,415 comments/1,286 likes = 58.64 - i wish the auto inserted comments didn't get counted... the true number is probably much much close ot my number of likes - Chris Heath
1.09 (11910/10953) - Bren
1.97%. thanks again micah, this has been a great metric to measure my first year here on ff. As the year went (this being the first record of me being here that i've found): , 6.43%:1.25%:1.97% - chaz2b
Chris, Bren, thank you. And chaz2b, thank you too - glad it's a special marker for you. :) - Micah
1.79 (13620/7618) - Micah from iPhone
0.91 - Bruce Lewis
0.13 - Morton Fox
0.86 - Brent
1.69 now (1.70 on Nov 10th and 1.41 on Jan 8, 2009) - - WoH: Minding her Steves
0.23 - Mark H
Thanks Bruce, Morton, Higlet, Brent and Mark! - Micah from iPhone
How is this thread doing in the longest-lived-ff-comment-thresds-ever contest? - j1m
5.76 right now - Kevin L
0.53 - Rodfather
j1m, I wonder how many threads over a year old are regularly updated by an asoetment of users. - Micah from iPhone
Kevin, Cecily and Rodfather - thanks! - Micah from iPhone
1.49 (2,222/1488) - DB - Just DB
What's the photo, Micah? - Brent
"I must not ask Micah questions" written out a bajillion times.... :) - WoH: Minding her Steves
LOL @Higlet - Correct. (but Brent, you can also ask the Mathematics Dept of West Bohemian University in Pilsen, Czech http://www.fav.zcu.cz/en... [via http://maisonbisson.com/blog... ]) - Micah
0.32 (2011/6291) Looks like I need to comment more. =) - Beau Liening
Thank you, Beau. And, by stating you want to comment more you're already helping the cause :) - Micah
2.09329564 (10366:4952) I don't think that I'm the norm here - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
*bump* - It's that time again, folks. - Micah
1.71 (16,017/9,357) - Micah
0.91 (13,933/15,222) - Jimminy, CoG of FF
2.66 - Marissa
1.48 (2,469/1,669) - DB - Just DB
Thanks, Jimminy, Marissa and Daryl. :) - Micah
1.21 - Jenny R
Thanks, Jenny! - Micah
1.10 (4874/4448) - DGentry
2.17 (2860/1321) - I like big Botts
2.13(7957/3734) - Melanie Reed
Thank you, Denton, Glen and Melanie! - Micah
63.58 (97,534/1,534) -- interesting that my last three digits are the same there, eh? (note, i already posted a month or two ago when i first saw this thread) - Chris Heath
Thanks, Chris! - Micah
0.87 (3770/4312), so I'm either getting more commenty or less likey. [0.74 (1970/2667) was what I previously reported back in June] - S of 2C
0.92 - Brent
This project has had me consider commenting more than liking. - Brent
Thanks Scott, pea and T. Brent. - Micah
Brent, interesting. Look forward to more commentary. :) - Micah
1433/1161 = 1.23 - cdogzilla | downgraded
1.19 (5132/4316) - Ruchira S. Datta
Thank you, cdogzilla and Ruchira! - Micah
1.00 (4661/4659) -- goal achieved :) - Brent
0.94(15045/15978) 0.83, (28.August.2009); 0.97, (11.Nov.2009); 0.91, (17.April.2010); 0.94, (11.May.2010). - Jimminy, CoG of FF
1.65 (18,070 / 10,970) - Micah
*bump* It's that time again, folks. - Micah
1.05 (1710/1625) - cdogzilla | downgraded
1.66 here. Chattyites 4ever! - Lo the Baker
Thanks cdogzilla and Lo! - Micah
Last year my comments were around 7000 and likes around 2500, for a ratio of 2.80. I consciously chose to do more liking over the last year. As of today my comments number 10,782 and likes number 7,666, for a ratio of 1.41. - Stephen Mack
Jason, Stephen - cool. Thanks for keeping updated here. :) - Micah
Thanks, RG - Micah
1.03. Micah you've made over 18000 comments since you first posted this. - chrisofspades
0.76 (3,624/4,766) Egad that's only .1 improvement since 2009-01-08 :-P but at least it's moving in the right direction. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
3.25 No wonder I always had to stand in the hall in school for talking ;-) - Shannon - GlassMistress
Still right at 1:1. W00t. - Vicarbott
1.15 (14662/12739) - Bren
chrisofspades, crazy isn't it. :) - Micah
kima, tortoise wins and all that ;) Thanks, Shannon. Jim, you have maintained balanced in the force you have. Thanks, Bren. - Micah
1.34 - Mark J
2.33 :( my new yr's resolution was to "like" more, imma not doing sucha good job, :( - chaz2b
Thanks, Mark, and chaz, you'll get there. :) - Micah
1.61 (20,661 / 12,818) - Micah
*BUMP* - It's that time again. THANKS! - Micah
1.76 (15,652/8,886) - Jenny R
.81 = 4926/6038 I'm eighty percent talkative people. - hollyrae
Thanks, Jenny and hollyrai! - Micah
Thank you, Glen. - Micah
0.77 - Steven Perez
0.31 (14566/47299) - John (bird whisperer)
John, you're a 'liking' fool! :D - Jenny R
Apparently I'm the human version of FALOB - John (bird whisperer)
Ha! (and thanks, John) - Micah
Double ha! - Jenny R
Thank you Steven. - Micah
2.28 - Jesse Stay
1.66 (updated) - Eric
Thanks Scott, Jesse, Eric and holly! - Micah
58,144/3,749=15.509, basically due to multiple feed imports. - Daniel Mietchen
*BUMP* - Micah
1.60 (22,066/13,819) - Micah
:) @Jason. - Micah
0.76 - Steven Perez
slightly off of my usual this time: 1.01 - Vicarbott
Thanks James, Steven and Jim "STAY-ON-TAR-GET" Jannotti. :) - Micah
.98(20,405/20,834) - Jimminy, CoG of FF
1.36 (20684/15224) - Bren from iPhone
Thank you, Jimminy, Greg and Bren! - Micah
1.88 (21954/11691) Chatty Cathy, apparently. - Jenny R
11289/9010 = 1.25 (wonder if some comments are from imported feeds) - Mike Chelen
Thanks Jenny and Mike. :) - Micah
Sorry - Micah .... but the math is just too complicated :) - Charlie Anzman
Charlie, I'm make it simple. I'll do the talking, you drive the get-away car—we'll split it even: 80/20. - Micah
Damn, More Homework. - Brent - Yes I am
including this comment (119,119C/1677L) ... 71.03 - Chris Heath
1.21 - Joe Bonner
1.56 (24,076/15,472) - Micah
*BUMP* - it's that time again. Also, I passed 24K comments recently. - Micah
Thanks, Micahel. - Micah
113,457 comments / 166,887 likes = .68 - RAPatton
2.02 (31627/15675) I need to start liking more and shut the hell up. - Jenny R
1:1.618, of course. - Josh Haley from iPhone
2.60 - Jack&Cleo
I was waiting for that from you, Mr. Haley. - Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™ from Android
Those are some heavy hitter numbers there, RAPatton. Thanks. :) - Micah
I've been on FF for a long time, Michah, because I am really, really old. - RAPatton
LOL Josh. These aren't the maths you looking for. [lateral hand wave] - Micah
Jenny, do not take your own advice; not advisable. - Micah
Thanks, Jack & Cleo. - Micah
RAPatton, you're not old—you triple-comment-excerpt every bookmarklet post :)) - Micah
Cristo, this post is an ancient relic. Handle with care. - Micah
0.13 - Morton Fox
Okay, Micah. <----I had to resist the urge not to post that because I know it's going to up my comment count. ;) - Jenny R
But how many of those primordial, high interest posts are still active. Uh huh. :) - Micah
Thanks, Morton. BTW, when you posted in February, it was exactly 0.13 also. - Micah
Jenny, resistance is futile; embrace the rising tide of comments. - Micah
Comments are more difficult and time consuming than Likes. I'd be happy about a high comment:likes ratio except that many are surely imported from feeds, while every Like is manual. - Mike Chelen
it has changed to 2.2256 now as Sep, 6 2010.Labor Day. :) I added the date for future references. - ۳۰ مرغ Loves Y'ALLLLL
IN HONOUR OF DERRICK'S 100,000th LIKE: http://friendfeed.com/micahwi... - Micah
1.54 (25,102/16,257) - Micah
Thanks, Alex. - Micah
1.48 (6653 comments / 4480 likes, 18SEP10) - Apparently I'm talking more! - Mark J
2.29.... 26 HR, 89 RBI - .LAG liked that
.15 on March 21, 2009. Now .19. - Lix
Thanks, MarkJ, .LAG and Alix! :) - Micah
Thank you, Deepak! - Micah
1.47 (24757/16749) - Bren
I make a lot of comments but no one like me, so I guess the ratio is infinite or undefined. - Sue - Friendfeed is best
1.45 (29653/20444) *BUMP* - Micah
1.22 (31900/26233) - holly #ravingfangirl
.59 (58,923/99,251) - Scoble, Alex Scoble
6.61 (2825/427 )... I'm a wee bit chatty - Shannon - GlassMistress
I had exactly a 2:1 ratio as previously reported [Aug 30, '09], now I am at: 1.7241:1 ratio. 6,067 comments to 3,519 likes. - Just Joe
0.79 as of 6 Jan 2011. - John E. Bredehoft
my brain hurts - Morgan
Two years later and my ratio has climbed from 3.4 to 4.675. I've got a lot to say, apparently. - Kevin Fox
Funnily, I didn't notice until after leaving that comment that when I reported my stat in 2009 I also followed it up with "I've got stuff to say." I didn't say it was *new* stuff... - Kevin Fox
1.000 (27093/27080) - Jimminy, CoG of FF
Now 2.2 - was 1.8 - Que Sarah Sarah
I've had an improvement since the last few times this has come up. I was .49 or close to it, now I'm running a .57 ratio - Bluesun 2600
1.68 (55826/33281) - Jenny R
81.1 - rising consistently - Chris Heath
1.59 (9,426 comments/5,940 likes; 06JAN11) Still climbing! - Mark J
Some people like *likes* a lot more than others! - Mark J
I think this is the oldest thread I see that still gets new comments added. - Sue - Friendfeed is best
*BUMP* - Micah
1.40 (32175/22968) - Micah
I dunno, I'm not good with math - The Real sofarsoShawn
0.35 ... Apparently I'm not very talkative. - John (bird whisperer)
Thanks, John and Shawn. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
1.459 (33067/22667) - Bren from iPhone
looks familiar... - WoH: Minding her Steves
2.6 (wow, this thread is like my yearly checkup; thanks micah and friendfeed, 3+years and going strong [6.4%, 2.33%]) - chaz2b
1.02 (38,615, 37,927) 9/27/11 - Jimminy, CoG of FF
1.29 (36,959 / 28,580) - Micah
Thanks, Jimminy, Bren, WoH, and chaz2b. :) - Micah
.46 now. :) - LB so u no it's real
Thank you, LB. - Micah
0.33 (34741/105115) - John (bird whisperer)
Thanks John. Gracias, caj. - Micah
1.57 (24,460/15,624). It was 1.12 the day after the OP. - Tinfoil 2.0
The likes dim and comms brim. - Micah
2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago). for history's sake, this thread was started shortly after i found friendfeed, or friendfeed found me, so it holds a special place in my heart. thanks for keeping it around mr micah - chaz2b
You're certainly welcome, chaz2b. In some way it feels like a living heirloom to me. :) - Micah
1.66 (13,580/8196) - Mark J
*BUMP* - Micah
1.25 (40,008/31,895) - Micah
1.15 - Kristin
5.12 - Julian
3 (2.991) (and now the list has become too lengthy for me to track my progress, ;) [dumb me, i have a post not 10 lines ago in history, from 090711 2.91; 6.43% (@ 2yrs ago) 2.33% (@ 1yr ago) ;) ] - chaz2b
1.76. Last two entries were 1.8, 2.2. - Que Sarah Sarah from iPhone
.79 - Shevonne
24 072 / 35 095 = 0.685909674 - AJ Batac :)
0,77 (before and after this comment) - loi
2.65 (69,814 comments/26,281 likes) - Spidra Webster
Joel Webber
jgw on Gilad Bracha introduces Dart: A Structured Web Programming Language - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"I'd also point out that the goal of Dart is to serve *both* the source (or an easily-reverse-engineered snapshot), *and* javascript-compiled output for backwards-compatibility. So you don't lose any visibility over what you get from Javascript today. Except that in some cases you'll *gain* visibility, because Dart won't have the same need to be minimized, squished, concatenated, obfuscated, etc., just to get decent startup performance." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on How do Javascript, Java, and Native code compare on real-world code? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Fair enough. If only Spreadsheets gave me any actual control over the grid lines in log-scale mode :(" - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on How do Javascript, Java, and Native code compare on real-world code? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"If you want a sneak peak, check out the source spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreads... There are two "test" columns at the right, which include tweaked versions of the Emscripten and Java code (in the Emscripten case, it's fully optimized, with an updated compiler; in Java it now avoids the slow builtin Math.sin/cos() functions). I'll update the post later today. (Colors? I presume you mean on the graphs. If you have suggestions for alternatives, please be my guest. Or just copy the spreadsheet and tweak them to your heart's content)" - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on How do Javascript, Java, and Native code compare on real-world code? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"The top part of the first graph isn't intended to be readable -- it's simply intended to show that the JSVMs all cluster roughly together in a completely different order-of-magnitude from the JVM and native code." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on How do Javascript, Java, and Native code compare on real-world code? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Physics performance matters, which is why I chose to measure it. First off, the slightly snarky comment below ("If you spend 90 ms less on physics per frame, ...") hits on a very important point -- every cycle you spend doing one thing is a cycle you can't spend on something else. You could argue (as some do on this thread) that at some point the performance becomes irrelevant because your game's humming along happily at 60fps. But there's an important fallacy here -- on what hardware? Just because a game's running smoothly on your nice beefy development machine doesn't mean it's going to run well on lesser hardware (you know, the machines your users actually have). And even if you hit a buttery-smooth 60fps on a mobile phone, it's not much use if you're pegging the CPU at 100% all the time and dragging the battery down with you. One nitpick: Your pixel shaders (presuming you're using the GPU) are running on separate hardware that executes in parallel. But of course you can always..." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on How do Javascript, Java, and Native code compare on real-world code? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"This is definitely not an integer-heavy benchmark, but they still get used plenty in the course of almost any code -- as enumerated values, loop variables, and so forth. As pointed out elsewhere on this thread, Javascript does mostly lack integers as user-visible constructs (though they do peek out in a couple of places, such as the bitwise operators), but most VMs will use them under the hood when possible. I know V8 stores integers directly in both locals and fields when it can (hence the tag bit mentioned below). The thing with *really* integer-heavy benchmarks is that they highlight the kind of code that doesn't come up that often anymore because it's better offloaded to a dedicated processor -- mainly DSP-like things such as image processing and audio mixing. Not that I wouldn't prefer that these things be faster when done on the CPU in JS, of course, but Box2D is the kind of code that *can't* easily be offloaded (even libraries like PhysX that use GPUs still do a lot of work on..." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on How do Javascript, Java, and Native code compare on real-world code? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"The emscripten code for this benchmark was using js ArrayBuffers, but as noted in the article there were some compiler bugs keeping it from reaching its best performance. The author has since fixed them, and the numbers look a good bit better now (with half the variance as well). I'll point this out in an update." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Internal Google-document: "We will strongly encourage Google developers start off targeting Chrome-only whenever possible as this gives us the best end user experience". So much for the open web, eh? - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"This is a stunningly uninformed comment. First off, practically all complex Ajax apps perform at least client-side UA-sniffing, and will break in some way if said sniffing fails. This is an unavoidable consequence of the gigantic morass of incompatibilities that is the web today. You can get to a certain point with "feature detection", but there's a nearly unbounded set of cases where this doesn't cut it. Second, GWT (like many purely-Javascript libraries) lets you work directly with the native browser APIs, and there are some libraries available that abstract this away to some extent. This is true of everything from Dojo to YUI to jQueryUI and others. Third, only a subset of Google properties are built using GWT. Many (e.g., Gmail) use the Closure libraries, which *also* provides similar (and similarly optional) abstractions for components. Finally, tablet and mobile web UIs are a very new, and rapidly evolving space. New versions of mobile browsers come out frequently. This leads to..." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Nokia will partner with Microsoft and use Windows Phone - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Do you seriously think Americans aren't aware of Nokia's contribution to the evolution of cell phones (they didn't "invent" them, but of course they contributed heavily to their development over the years). But read Elop's recent letter -- he's absolutely right that Nokia has managed to completely cede the smartphone market to others over the past decade or so, even while starting from an impressive lead (and no, Meego, Symbian, and all that don't count -- apart from some sales in Europe, they have completely flopped elsewhere). So the sarcasm stands -- innovation is about the company's current trajectory, not their past performance." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Nokia will partner with Microsoft and use Windows Phone - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Do you seriously think Americans aren't aware of Nokia's contribution to the evolution of cell phones (they didn't "invent" them, but of course they contributed heavily to their development over the years). But read Elop's recent letter -- he's absolutely right that Nokia has managed to completely cede the smartphone market to others over the past decade or so, even while starting from an impressive lead (and no, Meego, Symbian, and all that don't count -- apart from some sales in Europe, they have completely flopped elsewhere). So the sarcasm stands -- innovation is about the company's current trajectory, not their past performance." - Joel Webber
Matt Cutts
I didn't think anyone would notice this, but Google OS did. - Matt Cutts from Bookmarklet
I just wish it was this good in Chrome's Omnibox.... - Nathan Snyder
Can anyone point me to publications/papers/research on Google Suggest? Naively, it seems to be like - "SELECT query,count FROM query_logs WHERE query LIKE 'user_query%' ORDER BY count DESC LIMIT 10". - Space Cowboy
@Cowboy: I don't know of any public papers, but I'm guessing there's a lot of offline processing to extract common queries and phrases. I seriously doubt it could be this fast coming out of a SQL database :) - Joel Webber
Thanks Webber. I found a great post here (which also links to a patent): http://www.seobythesea.com/... - Space Cowboy
Two articles that were probably written when Google Suggest launched - http://www.slate.com/id... and http://serversideguy.blogspot.com/2004... - Space Cowboy
Found a related paper - "Efficient Type-Ahead Search on Relational Data: a TASTIER Approach" - http://dbgroup.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn/ligl... - discusses query prediction in relational databases. - Space Cowboy
Finally, found this very relevant patent - http://www.google.com/patents... Keven Gibbs launched Google Suggest in his 20% time...I wouldn't have found this out if it weren't for Quora! - http://www.quora.com/How-doe... - Space Cowboy
Kol Tregaskes
What is your Google Buzz username? Mine is kolint
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sunipeyk - sunipeyk
www.google.com/profiles/mehmetali.abbasoglu - noktasizvirgul
We're still rolling out Buzz to everyone, so if you don't see it in your Gmail account yet, check back soon. - Niranjan
Cool. I only had to wait 24 hours. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
consultfab - Bryan R. Adams
dannyrowley - Daniel Rowley
Some people have the follow button on their profiles and some don't. - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks guys. - Kol Tregaskes
Added. - Kol Tregaskes
hbemisschurtz :D - hollyrae
Justin, your link doesn't work. - Kol Tregaskes
Justin, I think you meant: http://www.google.com/profile... - Kol Tregaskes
I think that's on the wrong thread, WarLord? - Kol Tregaskes
Cutting and pasting is teh fail http://www.google.com/profile... - WarLord
Ah. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/profile... ..... Tatty Gibson, only just found all this so i added lol - Tatty Gibson
All fixed. Thanks for catching that, Kol. - Justin Korn
http://www.google.com/profile... Here is my user name, I am following you. - Jason
No problem, Justin. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
notoriousxl :) - Andrea (Notorious)
Is it weird that I'm finding new folks to follow on FF and ignoring the google profiles? Carry on ... - cdogzilla | downgraded
everyone aboard the ark as FF floods! - Vezquex
Just followed you Kol... Feel free to add me http://buzz.google.com/vixted - victed
I'm on the Googlay Buzzes! http://www.google.com/profile... - Brad Williamson
So. Your all deserting friendfeed for Google Buzz? Or are you all going to use both? Just wondering...... - Technogran
Sandra, I'm going to use both #FriendFeed and #GoogleBuzz - Thierry R. Andriamirado
My #googlebuzz username is thierry.andriamirado . Feel free to add me here: http://bit.ly/aHQbBP - Thierry R. Andriamirado
zjemily |~~p - Zu from AOD
mumcuibrahim ^^ - İbrahim Mumcu
http://www.google.com/profile... (Cris Fugate, aka Jony Winter) - Cris Fugate
Thedudeguru - Jason Williams from iPhone
Sandra, mainly on FriendFeed. Google Buzz looks very cool but it's lacking a lot of features that make be a regular for me. - Kol Tregaskes
if you wanna add me psdub1123 @ gmail dot com - Patrick from twhirl
I'm gonna regret that later. When I get a nunch of random followers lol - Patrick from twhirl
LOL, Patrick. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
I fail at typing apparently - Patrick from twhirl
This is scary but here is mine http://www.google.com/profile... - BRҰANSAҰS
http://google.com/profile... - a bit late to the party, I guess. - Ryan - @magicofpi
http://www.google.com/profile... .... and here goes my last bit of privacy ;-) - denise
same as FriendFeed - JSLeFanu
Bumping for Nicholas. - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Kol :) - Nicholas Kreidberg
No worries. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
chaz2b2 - chaz2b
Thanks guys. - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks guys. - Kol Tregaskes
Bump. - Kol Tregaskes
Joel Webber
Ponce de Leon Court Approved for Listing on the Georgia Register of Historic Places! - http://thedecaturminute.wordpress.com/2010...
That's my street -- the yellow house in the picture is right across from mine. - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Quake2 ported to GWT, running on HTML5 + WebGL - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Chromium doesn't support mp3 out of the box. Chrome and WebKit nightlies do." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Quake2 ported to GWT, running on HTML5 + WebGL - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"It depends heavily on a bunch of factors -- cpu, video card, browser (Chrome's still doing expensive buffer read-backs for each frame), etc. The video's also not terribly indicative of the actual frame rate -- compression really changes things. I've definitely hit 60+ fps on my beefy desktop machine, but YMMV." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Quake2 ported to GWT, running on HTML5 + WebGL - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Chromium doesn't support mp3 out of the box. Chrome and WebKit nightlies do." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Quake2 ported to GWT, running on HTML5 + WebGL - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"It depends heavily on a bunch of factors -- cpu, video card, browser (Chrome's still doing expensive buffer read-backs for each frame), etc. The video's also not terribly indicative of the actual frame rate -- compression really changes things. I've definitely hit 60+ fps on my beefy desktop machine, but YMMV." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Quake2 ported to GWT, running on HTML5 + WebGL - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Exactly. Adobe makes good tools, and I hope they continue to do so for whatever technology platform gives the best user experience. As new HTML technologies like WebGL become mainstream, I suspect Adobe will build tools for them." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Quake2 ported to GWT, running on HTML5 + WebGL - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Exactly. Adobe makes good tools, and I hope they continue to do so for whatever technology platform gives the best user experience. As new HTML technologies like WebGL become mainstream, I suspect Adobe will build tools for them." - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Quake2 ported to GWT, running on HTML5 + WebGL - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Nope. It's for real. Download the code and give it a whirl yourself :)" - Joel Webber
Joel Webber
jgw on Quake2 ported to GWT, running on HTML5 + WebGL - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"Nope. It's for real. Download the code and give it a whirl yourself :)" - Joel Webber
Laurence Gonsalves
Ugh. I wish Firefox had an equivalent to Unix's "top" so I could figure out which tab is responsible for "101%" CPU usage.
I think it's called "Chrome" =) - Jim Norris
Does Chrome have an equivalent to "Proxy Button"? (I guess it's a bit ironic that the need to easily switch to using the Google corp proxy is part of what keeps me on Firefox...) Also, this was on my Mac, and Chrome is pretty rough on the Mac right now. - Laurence Gonsalves
I don't actually know... I'm still using FF on my mac too. - Jim Norris
Laurence, MacOS lets you set proxies on a per-network basis. Why are you setting browser proxies at all? (Safari knows no such concept, and neither does Chrome for Mac.) - Daniel Dulitz from iPhone
I hear you with the browser proxies Laurence and there is a hacky workaround for setting up a browser proxy in Chrome. Shoot me an email at work and I'll tell you what I did to solve the issue. Chrome has been a champ for me otherwise. - EricaJoy
Daniel: I'd never thought to look in the system prefs for HTTP proxies, but I now see that I can set different proxies for different "locations", and these seem to apply to Chrome. Thanks. - Laurence Gonsalves
I don't think Firefox even knows which windows are taking up your CPU -- I imagine its single-process architecture makes that rather difficult to find out. - Joel Webber
An annoyance with having the proxy set at the system level: changing the "Location" while Time Machine is doing a backup seems to abort the backup. (The only difference between my "Locations" is the HTTP proxy setting, which shouldn't affect Time Machine at all, but apparently changing the Location breaks all open connections, which I guess causes the network drive to get unmounted at least temporarily.) - Laurence Gonsalves
There appear to be two proxy switching extensions for Chrome, https://chrome.google.com/extensi...; I haven't tried either. - Tudor Bosman
Thanks! I had given up on looking for one since I thought that it wouldn't be possible on the Mac (given that there isn't even a proxy setting in Mac Chrome), but one of those does claim to work with Mac OS X. (The other says it's Windows only...) - Laurence Gonsalves
Ok, I just tried the one that says it works with Mac OS X. Every time you toggle the proxy a dialog for "scutil" pops up asking for your password. "scutil" is apparently some sort of system tool for "managing system configuration parameters", so it appears that this thing is actually adjusting the system's proxy setting. - Laurence Gonsalves
Kevin Fox
Google Liquid Galaxy live demo at TED - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Google Liquid Galaxy live demo at TED
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This thing is really cool to use, but it can give you a bit of vertigo if you don't look away every now and then. - Joel Webber
That should be Kim Jong Il's toy only. - Jérôme
Yeah, it's really fun to use and the controller is pretty intuitive. The heat from all of those screens makes it a little toasty after a while. - Simon
Joel Webber
My YouTube video speed history: 20.30Mbps - http://www.youtube.com/my_spee...
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Kind of cheating -- this is from work :) - Joel Webber
Hah. Almost looks like a graph scaling issue. Does it go past 20? - Matt M (inactive)
I think it's actually about 20. The funny thing is that our connection from ATL to MTV still sucks sometimes, but to datacenters in the southeast it's pretty phenomenal. - Joel Webber
Kevin Fox
Great, now that Chrome for Mac has extensions, I've forgotten which super-cool extensions I wanted to put on it!
I am a "no extensions" type of guy. Firefox just got too bloated. I like Chrome, but I want to avoid all the customizations and oddness. - Louis Gray
SpeedTracer! - Joel Webber
AdBlock? - Jim Norris
At the very least, I'd like to run Noscript (not available yet), Adblock Plus. and of course the wonderful, essential, Feedly - Andrew Terry
"Twitter Reactions" was one of them. A button I can click on to see tweets people have made that link to the page I'm on (with resolution for most URL shorteners). - Kevin Fox
I'm a 'no extensions' type of guy myself but there are some things that are just too good to pass up: 1Password, Evernote Web Clipper, Feedly, Google Mail Checker Plus, Google Wave Notifier, and Speed Dial. - Akiva
Lastpass and xmarks was a must for me. - Beau Liening from FreshFeed
AdBlock (which is already there) and 1Password. Then the transformation will be complete. - Cyrus Lendvay
Evernote, 1Password, Feedly - Edwin Khodabakchian
Feedly. - Meryn Stol
Bret Taylor
Finally saw Zombieland. Fun movie - not what I expected.
Huh? What were you expecting? - Vezquex
I just watched it last night too - Marissa
I keep meaning to see it, but haven't gotten around to it -- funny, given that it was filmed just down the street from my house. - Joel Webber
I saw it for the 3rd time last night and still cracked up. - Kevin L
Meryn Stol
Google Buzz review: "Google is basically a world where nerd engineers get turned loose in a Montessori preschool" :D http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs...
I feel I don't ever have to write opinion on new products at all. It's easier to just find someone who agrees with you. And on the internet, there's always at least *one* person who agrees with you. :) - Meryn Stol
Steve Rubel's commentary was great too. "Serenity, please." - Meryn Stol
the headline's probably better than the post i bet - Chris Heath
"a catnip toy for new media wanker-pundits who love it because it gives them something to blather on about" -- as opposed to this particular wanker-pundit, who now also has something to blather on about. - Joel Webber
Bret Taylor
Web Sockets in Tornado - Bret Taylor's blog - http://bret.appspot.com/entry...
Is there any way to use Web Sockets on Google App Engine (Python)? - Michael R. Bernstein
What Gary said. Specifically, systems like AppEngine are meant to be scalable by strongly encouraging (well, requiring, for all intents and purposes) a stateless server model. A long-lived socket connection, by contrast, is meant to do the precise opposite. I suspect the AppEngine team is thinking about this sort of thing w.r.t. XMPP and WebSockets, but I'm not sure how they'll resolve this dichotomy. - Joel Webber
I agree, Gary, you definitely have to deal with dropped connections on both sides to make apps work correctly. On the server side, the code looks almost identical to the long-polling code, except you "send a message" rather than finish the HTTP response, but I don't think you can get rid of the concept of cursors and connection restarts without losing messages on dropped connections. - Bret Taylor
What are "cursors" in this context? Seems like the logical thing would be to have a message queue fabric that uses WebSockets and/or other transports to send, receive, and acknowledge messages, with stateless handlers that are invoked for incoming messages, can access storage resources, and can enqueue new outgoing messages (not necessarily to the same client). (I don't know anything about GAE's plans.) - ⓞnor
Right, thanks. The message fabric would need to have message queues which can be indexed with the cursors. So state is kept in the message queues ("above") and the storage layer ("below"), but message handlers (app logic) can be stateless. This model might not be very efficient if you have to keep loading and saving a lot of state for every message, but you have that problem with HTTP servers too, and the same solutions (memory based cacheservers, sticky-but-unreliable session objects, etc) apply. - ⓞnor
No question that sockets *can* be used in an essentially stateless manner, as long as both sides are resilient to dropped connections. One assumes the servlet/handler/whatever would need to be terminated automatically when resources are needed. But the server would need to be very carefully constructed such that it could always recover lost state when this happens. - Joel Webber
Agreed, Gary. But for something like AppEngine, we're talking about the need to be resilient to the equivalent of a server restart with very little notice, more frequently than would happen naturally. I believe this would mean being essentially stateless, even though you're keeping a socket connection open to a client, which is certainly possible, but not a necessity one would expect... more... - Joel Webber
Bret, I love this web socket daemon feature, hope all the web clients/servers implement this API soon. - Orlando Pozo
1000% easier, huh! - Emre M.
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