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friendfeed的hosts ip，测试可用。64.13.142.68 friendfeed.com
Kevin Cao, sG, lion and 12 other people liked this
頂之
- Baiyssy
from Shawshank
赞
- kang
from fftogo
我用代理出局域網，hosts似乎無效，有什麽辦法嗎？
- Baiyssy
from email
酷
- 拓 | wavesand
很好，目前可用。
- boynew
Goooood!
- 芸窗
from Shawshank
有很多頭像顯示不出來……
- Baiyssy
from email
低调低调
- Allen.M
在i.friendfeed.com二级域名下的头像显示不出来。
- Haitai
一个爱屁，引无数英雄竞like
- topo
改了開代理的機器的hosts，搞定
- Baiyssy
from email
i.friendfeed.com不支持https，所以会撞墙。把这个url加到autoproxy，然后把规则里面的friendfeed.com去掉就ok了。
- David
低调传播 呵呵
- 佛陀
淡定
- Joojen
还有人在用这个 IP 吗？我怎么用不了呢。。。
- Jick Nan
from email
用https试试
- 拓 | wavesand
用了 https，又检查了下，发现是我没有指定 www.friendfeed.com ，只有 friendfeed.com，却使用 www.friendfeed.com 访问
- Jick Nan
from email
真的嗎
- lion
hosts不支持通配符，真是讨厌
- Baiyssy
from email
怎么自动代理？
- netpiano
Friendfeed中文群组索引，请各位持续添加，谢谢！也请各群主方便将本贴URL http://friendfeed.com/chinese... 添加到各自群组，互相建立联系，多谢！推荐格式："#标签 名称 链接” #ff中文群组索引
Ted GUO, shirak, golax and 35 other people liked this
我昨天晚上做了一个山寨版的friendfeed, 不是API. 是山寨的，两个星期后放出。
Jick Nan, 老巫师, Dallas Cao and 2 other people liked this
Google Threatens Cyanogen Android Hacker With Cease-and-Desist - Cyanogen - Gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5367420...
Daniel Rowley, Jick Nan, Panayotis Vryonis and Dustin Sallings liked this
If Google is going down this road, it might be time to show Google the door and go back to a regular cell phone....this is utter crap.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
from Bookmarklet
What? I thought Android is open source
- Rodfather
that's what I thought too.....
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
What is the likelihood of Google letting Cyanogen get a license to distribute those apps?
- Sam Him
zero.
- Tim Hoeck
FriendFeed 的人气大不如前
Jick Nan and Yinhaiming liked this
的确。
- 快乐王子
欢迎加入群组：“依然活跃在 FriendFeed 的人们” ( https://friendfeed.com/ff-frie... )
- Kunshou（困兽）
改用FoxyPeoxy+tor访问FF ，这样不用经常切换Fx 的代理状态，有空的时候随时过来瞄一眼。
- njhuar
SSH 和 fftogo
- Kunshou（困兽）
墙啊墙
- Ted GUO
期待IPv6时代早日到来！电子柏林墙总有一天会倒掉的，我坚信！
- Bahcer
根据那篇阅后即焚的GFW文章，墙注定要倒，但是金盾的“抓网民”，还有“信息安全法”之类的白色恐怖还会一直横行。
- K.D.
难得见到KS上来
- sG
每天都在，隐身而已
- Kunshou（困兽）
Friendfeed 2018 - http://blogoscoped.com/friendf...
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Kirb, HealingBrush, kofai and 67 other people liked this
Why is Twitter shutting down in 2012?
- Steve Rubel
Plus it will have lots more (Google) Services added to it :-)
- Martin Rix (Mrrix32)
@Steve I don't think it means Twitter is shutting down. I think it means Twitter will bar FriendFeed from using its feed ;-)
- Rubin Sfadj
This is too kewl
- Peter Dawson
Hilarious - may all come to pass before 2018.
- Todd McKinney
Love it. But 2018? I'd except to be able to get Friend.com directly through the HUD in my flying car by then... Only silversurfers (like us) would still use "web browsers" in 2018.
- Tony Ruscoe
Twitter feed not available? That may come to pass at 10:30.
- Bill Bittner
And what's up with "low karma comments"? I thought the karma thing left us in the seventies... but yes, everything comes on cycles...
- Alex von Halem
awesome.
- Tobias Boonstoppel
You've got the Google thing backwards :)
- Paul Buchheit
Hey, I just noticed I'm in the screenshot. :D @Paul: ? What's backwards, where?
- Voyagerfan5761
Actually, it missed one important thing - a HUGE ad, taking up the top half of the screen, for a substance that is just as effective as Viagra (which was banned in 2011).
- Ontario Emperor
I think Paul's saying that in 2018 ff will own google
- j1m
It's comforting that hitting monkeys will still be as popular in 2018 as they are now.
- Ginger Makela Riker
One thing they got wrong: by 2012, Paul will have started his own country southwest of Alaska on an artificial island. It'll be called Free Festivusland, and it'll get the top-level domain “ff”. FriendFeed will then be http://ff/ — no dots or coms or nets or orgs.
- Amit Patel
@Amit P. ROFL .. very funny
- Steven Hodson
@Jason lol :D
- Voyagerfan5761
I think the web will be voice and audio driven in 10 years, or at least it will be available. There's even some startup now that can sense nerve pulses to the vocal chords to know what you'll say before you actually say it.
- Mike Reynolds
I think comments won't be replaced by nested commented, just like @ in twitter, many people like this.
- terababy
Mike Reynolds, now I'm scared. Very scared. I'll get myself in trouble before I actually hear what I'm saying (rather than after).
- Ontario Emperor
For some reason, the Facebook deal makes this future user interface look more likely.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Steal! Ben Darnell Leaves Google Reader Team, Joins FriendFeed - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Jack Wilson, K4SAC, xero, WCM and 78 other people liked this
"Ben Darnell, a key member of the Google Reader team, has left Mountain View to jump into startup life. Darnell bailed Google for FriendFeed, which was founded by ex-Googlers and notably in part by Kevin Fox, who used to work with him on the Google Reader team. Darnell is FriendFeed’s first hire in over a year, and will get employee badge number 13. He starts today, and according to the blog post announcing the steal, he’ll be bringing his “ninja-fu data-storage and scalability skills” to the startup."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
This article is actually a bit off on one detail -- Ben left Google about six weeks ago, but just recently decided to join FriendFeed.
- Paul Buchheit
lucky 13 ehhhh
- johnpiercy
The fictional version is more dramatic. The fact that he left Google 6 weeks earlier ruins the whole Steal! angle.
- Bruce Lewis
Plus I actually left the Reader team about 6 months ago, so it's even less of a "Steal!"
- Ben Darnell
And Reader has only gone downhill since you left. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Also, you haven't actually "left Mountain View", either, unless FriendFeed secretly moved to Pleasanton or something while we weren't looking.
- ⓞnor
祝贺PB啊，又拿下一员大将
- 阿石
still, it's a good steal! :)
- sha-mayn teh
growl. don't they have a fact checker? or do they only go for drama? :(
- Jenna Bilotta
But fact checkers wouldn't be real-time, while drama often is. And we all know that real-time is all that matters anymore. ;)
- Ben Darnell
Bummer. But congratulations too. :)
- Matt Cutts
Who cares about reader. But is this the guy behind duckmylife? What's going to happen to that crucial project now?!?
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce, as you can see in the photo, duckmylife is behind me. (but no, I don't have any connection to DML, just a friend with photoshop)
- Ben Darnell
Congratulations!
- Ruchira S. Datta
Does the FF team now have enough brain power for world domination, if so is the team going to get bored of this whole internet thing?
- Steve C
That would be interesting if tech had a trade deadline like MLB Baseball.
- Nathan Johns
I'm sure it's already been done, but Fantasy start-up?
- Shirley Wu
when you don't look! - http://amsterdam.soup.io/post...
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Chris Hofmann, HealingBrush, Dickbuttkick and 22 other people liked this
上海世博会澳门馆“玉兔宫灯” - 观点地产网 - http://www.guandian.cn/article...
Steven Perez, HealingBrush, Geoff Schultz and 15 other people liked this
"上海世博会澳门馆确定以“玉兔宫灯”方案作为外形设计蓝图。兔子是和谐相容的象征，机灵通达的化身，是古今中外人们乐于运用的吉祥动物，澳门馆的玉兔外型设计灵感来自于华南地区古时的兔子灯笼外型。如果将上海世博会中国馆比喻成神话中的南天门，那澳门馆就犹如在南天门旁的一只仙兔，与中国馆一起共同迎接世界各方的来宾。"
- yagami
from Bookmarklet
澳门真是小兔子啊，为了继续开赌场赚大陆客的钱，这些年一直对中央俯首帖耳忠心耿耿。
- vjay
居然做个小兔子？很可爱，很娱乐，很和谐。
- 老巫师
人畜无害
- Ting Liu
@vjay 做生意就是这样。国内很多门户网站主动接受管理，又何尝不是如此。
- yagami
mark下
- 疯狂的糯米
兔子很好 没有流感也不闹瘟疫 支持
- fenjiu
就是没急，急了也咬人
- Y.h.y
刷新时又看到了这个条，忍不住又说句，这些图真的看到吐了，难受得。
- 疯狂的糯米
这是个饭盒吧？
- Salt Sharp Sharp
[Steven Perez Comment Here]
- Geoff Schultz
RT @whshang 百度每秒收入$14.87，腾讯$33.19，Google $691.27，这就牛逼了么？中国电信$867.27，中国移动$1914.39 http://laolu.spaces.live.com/Blog...
Fwd: FriendFeed Smiley :D #FriendFeed (http://friendfeed.com/nimaa...)
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Masih, 疯狂的糯米, Nimaa and 4 other people liked this
分享王力雄的一本禁书：《我的西域 你的东土》
我的西域 你的东土-王力雄.pdf 2.0 MB
williamlong, Moses, Jick Nan and 13 other people liked this
thanks
- K.D.
thx
- Anzai3
能不能讲讲大概摘要？
- kelvin
刚刚下载到，还没细看，找时间慢慢读
- keen
大致是作者在新疆游历和与一个新疆政治犯的交流
- topo
有没有txt版？
- myang
pdf 转txt，去找找工具...
- K.D.
恩 还在下载中 下好前顺便询问一下 因为没有看pdf的具体内容 怕是图片的转不了
- myang
不是图片格式，应该是可以转成TXT的
- keen
ok，放手机上看，txt方便一点，而且传播容易，随时可以蓝牙给各种机型
- myang
他的《天葬》也很值得一看，作者10进西藏，铸就了这本和《我的西域》同样分量的著作
- myang
txt格式放手机上看，pdf格式在电脑上看。
- boynew
赵老师的书还没看完，新书又来了，真是催人奋进啊，哎....
- 太阳黑子
你这个链接传遍中文twitter了....ms顺便也给ff做了广告：））
- K.D.
为什么我下不动？
- Cheney
在网上”实时跟踪“你头顶的月亮 http://www.lunarworldrecord.com/image...
黄色蜻蜓, welee, HealingBrush and 4 other people liked this
Official Google Blog: Introducing the Google Chrome OS - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
Sean O'Connor, Daniel Rowley, Ninh Nguyen and 186 other people liked this
"Google Chrome OS is an open source, lightweight operating system that will initially be targeted at netbooks. Later this year we will open-source its code, and netbooks running Google Chrome OS will be available for consumers in the second half of 2010. Because we're already talking to partners about the project, and we'll soon be working with the open source community, we wanted to share our vision now so everyone understands what we are trying to achieve. Speed, simplicity and security are the key aspects of Google Chrome OS. We're designing the OS to be fast and lightweight, to start up and get you onto the web in a few seconds. The user interface is minimal to stay out of your way, and most of the user experience takes place on the web. And as we did for the Google Chrome browser, we are going back to the basics and completely redesigning the underlying security architecture of the OS so that users don't have to deal with viruses, malware and security updates. It should just work."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
9:37 pm is an odd time for a blog post. I'm guessing that this post was published early in response to http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
- Paul Buchheit
Sounds awesome btw! "The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will automatically work and new applications can be written using your favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform."
- Paul Buchheit
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- patrick
This sounds like it would be perfect for Arringtons CrunchPad
- patrick
patrick, that would be pretty neat, wouldn't it? I don't know much about the hardware/OS in the CrunchPad though.
- Matt Cutts
sounds awesome indeed
- Edwin Khodabakchian
This sounds very, very interesting. Shame we have to wait till fall to hear more details. :)
- Sean Brady
Timing matters a lot Sanat. 10 years ago the tech and users weren't ready for this, but we're just about there now, especially with tech such as NaCl.
- Paul Buchheit
woot
- Robert Higgins
I agree with Paul. I think that people are ready for this. I am wondering however if there will be some confusion regarding Android versus Google Chrome OS.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I am so happy this is happening.
- Bret Taylor
Edwin: I was confused till now about Android usage in netbooks but this announcement actually clears that up.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Paul, your guess on timing is probably right. The story broke, so they hit publish. Note the last paragraph says to wait until fall and to have a nice summer. This is a very interesting development indeed.
- Louis Gray
How will this differ from just being a special Linux distro?
- Gabe
Gabe, in the same way that Android differs from a special Linux distro :). They both use Linux as a device driver layer, but have built up a whole new application layer.
- Paul Buchheit
Gabe: from the blog post, they are writing a new window manager (and presumably getting rid of X since it is so slow and resource intensive). And I also presume working on startup time and power consumption will involve some deeper changes to the OS than most Linux distributions.
- Bret Taylor
Right on. Just like Apple did with Mac OS X.
- Sam Grover
"It should just work"
- Hayes Haugen
Bright move for an excellent project. V8 is so slick, I wished for it to be utilized in a broader domain than "just" within the confines of a browser. Stripping out all kinds of unnecessary OS components, building a layer of native windowing on top. Very excited.
- Mustafa K. Isik
a new windows system is interesting - Google just open sourced a custom NX server (http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009...) so I wonder if that's related. I think overloading the Chrome name is a mistake, though - look how that worked for Sun with Java (remember the Java Desktop System - which was a Linux distribution and JavaFX?)
- Nick Lothian
Won't people get annoyed when Flash doesn't work, or QuickTime movies won't play, or something like that?
- Gabe
How soon will Chrome have enough market share for Google to push major new browser features? There are lots of ways to imagine a browser, but we're all still using more or less the same one.
- Zak Stone
I'm so excited. I wonder when we can get our hands on the real stuff.
- Sung W. Lim
Gabe: I think a lot of the work that is going into HTML5 is to mitigate those issues.
- Mark Trapp
from iPhone
Mark: Are you suggesting that people will write their apps in HTML5 (along with or instead of Flash), or that somebody is going to make a usable implementation of Flash in HTML5?
- Gabe
Gabe, I don't see any reason why they couldn't get Flash running on Chrome -- they already announced that Flash10 will be on Android: http://www.googleandblog.com/adobe-a...
- Paul Buchheit
Web-as-a-platform has a long ways to go. I think this is great work they are doing but just don't see it as being transformative.
- Hayes Haugen
People will still want to run native compiled apps. Especially for games.
- Rodfather
Rodfather, see http://code.google.com/p... (sandboxed x86, in short)
- Paul Buchheit
Gabe: The former. HTML5 includes built-in video and audio support, and includes Canvas, which will in large part act as a replacement for most use-cases of Flash. Some parts of it are already out there, but it'll still be a couple of years, I think, before it's ubiquitous. Maybe Google will get Apple and Microsoft to port their stuff to Linux (like Paul says, Flash is already in the works for Android) so it'll work on Chrome OS, but it seems more likely they're banking on HTML5's success.
- Mark Trapp
from iPhone
Paul, Native Client sounds exciting
- Rodfather
A new windowing system just to run Chrome? Sounds a bit overkill to me. It feels like their "broad vision" is ignoring some important offline user behavior that can't easily be addressed with Gears. Soon they will probably need a file manager, a desktop, proper windowing, reserved areas on the screen to display "things" about what's happening and some more. Yeah, voila, what I just described is a fully-fledged Linux desktop, something Ubuntu-like. I hope they're not reinventing the old wheel.
- Enver ALTIN
What's going to happen when somebody needs to print a boarding pass or tax form?
- Gabe
Hopefully it will have some kind of printer support. Printers have to be the most backwards, broken part of the PC world though. Even on osx and windows, they never quite work, and sharing is nearly impossible.
- Paul Buchheit
@Paul .. good luck with that :) But we don't need printers, right? Everything can be done on the web.
- Tim Hoeck
Enver: except that Ubuntu takes forever to start up and X and all common desktop environments (Gnome, KDE) are slow as heck. I hope they reinvent a few wheels, if those are the wheels I have to choose from.
- Bret Taylor
Google and Microsoft getting more and more alike.
- Rutger Blom
Will Google take a cut from the devs for apps written for Google Chrome OS?
- τorƍue
Rutger: They are in the same space but not alike. i cannot imagine windows being open sourced
- Kiran Patchigolla
τorƍue, nope.. but you'll have to look at ads in your OS. :)
- Tim Hoeck
Kiran: I can actually see Microsoft releasing an open source OS if that generates money for them. I just meant Google, by first releasing a browser and now an OS, is starting to look more like Microsoft in my eyes. They just apply a different license to their source code and "do no evil" right?
- Rutger Blom
Finally!
- phil
Finally, maybe it'll force IE to become standards-compliant. I'm sick of this ..oh yeah, now I have to make it work on IE (6,7,8).. this is such a clean concept (that we all knew was coming)!!
- Chris Myles
Did you notice that few weeks ago, Google announced that they were integrating NaCl into Chromium: "we have a strong preference for delivering Native Client pre-installed or built into the browser, and we'll be focusing on that as our main strategy for delivering Native Client to users. Careful readers may have already noticed evidence of integration into Chromium...
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- Jérôme Flipo
Bret, sluggishness is a feature of today's Linux desktop, I agree -- but determining to reinvent instead of giving a few hands to fix the problem? Just to host a browser? It doesn't seem like a good move to me.
- Enver ALTIN
I hope the good old classical *nix utilities will be available in this grand new OS, specifically vim+git? I'm just going so well with Linux.
- Juvenn Woo
I think they should have kept it a secret until they had more code. Also, history is littered with attempts to do this. Remember NetPC? Remember JavaPC/JavaOS? Remember Netscape's Javascript Push Desktop? Maybe the web is mature enough that people are ready for this concept now, atleast on mobile devices like the Pre and NetBooks, but there's a still a lot of people who like to run...
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- Ray Cromwell
ChromeOS is custom GUI for web apps running on a linux kernel, right? So how exactly is this different from Palm's WebOS which is a linux kernel running a custom version of webkit.
- Greg Morgan
Greg, it's probably conceptually similar, except that ChromeOS will be designed for netbooks instead of cellphones (which obviously have different ui constraints).
- Paul Buchheit
Isn't a huge difference compared to WebOS (which allows some API calls to the hardware) that the apps developed for Chrome OS are limited to the webbrowser sandbox? In the blog post Google says "And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform." Unless they try the Microsoft Active X approach to get around that, which sounds like a pretty bad idea to me.
- Daniel Chow
Will this mean I get adsense on my desktop? ;-) No but srsly I am amazed to see that this interesting project wasn't started by a team that has just left Google.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Finally
- Ozkan Altuner
from Android
@Ray Cromwell, you're right, they should have kept their cool, and let the NYT publish what it wants without explicit corroboration. It's MSFT that's the master of premature announcements, aka vaporware, not Google. As it is now, the assorted self-styled tech punditry of the world will have half the summer and fall to speculate, when they could have been caught largely unawares with a simple faït accomplí.
- ianf ⌘
@patrick "This sounds like it would be perfect for Arringtons CrunchPad" and @Matt Cutts: "that would be pretty neat, wouldn't it?" - possibly, only Arrington needs the OS by last friday, not "in second half of 2010," when first "Chrome'd" hardware is supposed to arrive. On a personal note, I'd probably be more enthusiastic had they managed to bring out a stable Chrome browser for OSX, not solely the old Windoze… first things first.
- ianf ⌘
@ianf: Like your "rock dots" in fàït accômplí :)
- Joel Webber
Nifty design goals.
- Mark Essel
I hope standart Linux tools will be available :-) Vim, ssh should be there!
- Eren Türkay
Someone said "I hope they're not reinventing the wheel" -- I hate to break it to you, but that is what Google does best: reinvent. Search Engines, webmail, jabber, web browsers, linux for phones, email ... all of them had already been invented once ;-)
- Joel Bennett
If we never reinvented the wheel, we'd still be using tree trunks to roll things on.
- Rich
a great opportunity for linux, IMHO. And anyway, another player in the field of OS, which is good ;-)
- Marco Castellani
I hope Chrome OS will bring real innovations to Linux (which is already innovative). Not only Google's logo!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
This is big. Like... Biblical Big.
- Mike Troiano
Oh, yeas? And what epochal software, pray, has the Bible brought forth? I can only think of the virus of religion itself, but that's hardly a cause to celebrate [spoken as true atheist].
- ianf ⌘
Friendfeed is mentioned in China Xinhua news||美国新闻学院承认社交媒体作用 开设相应课程||文章提到Friendfeed - http://news.xinhuanet.com/newmedi...
不是什么好消息了, Friendfeed应该是第一次被官方提到吧～查了一下，其实也不算是第一次，但不是作为科技新闻，而是在“媒体语境“里出现好像不多见～
- K.D.
from Bookmarklet
该来的总会来的
- 0M0M
树大招风……
- yagami
惨了，被盯上了
- 太阳黑子
感觉这篇文章的内容是介绍”如何使用社交媒体的10种最普遍的方式“，但是标题读起来怪怪的，”承认“.....
- K.D.
真盯上了ff，首先肯定就盯上了这个中文组，盯上了这个组自然就主要盯上了moses：）原来moses还有这个功能
- kelvin
该来的总会来的。想想也无所谓，反正早就被盯上了，看e开头的用户就知道了
- yagami
e开头的用户？
- K.D.
moses是坦克用来吸收仇恨，囧
- 太阳黑子
大家不用那么担心：）更不能怪Moese同学了，现在只是提了一下而已～
- K.D.
在天朝，随便打开一个e开头的用户页面，就会出现连接被重置。据说是屏蔽了friendfeed.com/e*
- yagami
我说moses的功能不是恶意，我是说他牺牲自己以高频率吸引了注意，而保护了其他个体，也就是太阳黑子说的坦克功能，呵呵
- kelvin
不过，既然friendfeed是好东西，那么曝光也是正常的，至少短期ff不会像twitter那么招摇或者说耀眼..
- K.D.
我这篇分享到了friendfeed mentions群组，基本都是ff团队+一堆老外，他们看到我们的讨论，应该会迷惑不解，或者看懂了也会觉得好笑吧：）
- K.D.
ff的传播效应也不是那么大的。因为ff圈子效应很明显，大家订阅的源都差不多，内容很少重复，再分享的次数相对较少，点个like就可以说明很多问题了。所以我觉得相比满天飞RT的twitter，ff有它简洁、清晰的优势
- yagami
The bottom of FriendFeed's page should have a "Best of day" link. That way people who scroll to the bottom of the page would be offered something new to do to stay on FriendFeed instead of leaving.
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When I'm at the bottom of the page, I go back to top... by then something different has usually come up.
- Paola Bonomo
I don't want the bottom to be more interesting, that way I can get back to work when I get there. ;-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
scrolling back to the top works well...
- Geer
Why not just click on Older Items, and then you can see he same items you just saw (i.e. whatever items now have numbers 31-60) in a different order?
- j1m
j1m, at least the way I do FF is scan the page to see what's going on now, then scan the best of day if I want to read more. I had never clicked on Older Items until you mentioned it, and have to say I probably won't again. But if you had a "best of day" link at the bottom of the page, I would stay on FF longer.
- Matt Cutts
high engagement, poor recirculation. i imagine (hope) this will change in the future.
- sean percival
how about a shortcut key that automatically brought you to the top of the page... thats where the freshest content would be plus scrolling can be terrible if youve opened a thread with lots of comments
- Frankie Warren
pageless scrolling is nice too :) let them go all the way down this river.
- sean percival
they should at least integrate a button to jump to the top of the page?
- Hans Kainz
I think that is a good tip
- alfred westerveld
And... it's live: http://friendfeed.com/paul...
- Bill Strathearn
More awesomeness! Great suggestion Matt. Like the way it changes with Favorites, Groups, etc. Cool day for FF
- Charlie Anzman
Wish granted!
- Jérôme Flipo
Yes and Matt you've been acknowledged here: http://ff.im/4JC5b :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Nice. Love a company that listens and immediately implements the good ideas. :) Thanks FF guys.
- Travis Koger
降低跳出率的一个好方法，赞~
- 阿石
thanks for nice tip!
- Nazlı
This feature was on the previous version of FF..... there was also best of week / month...
- David Berrebi
在我国使用chrom os，若是有一天突然gfw又抽疯，岂不是整个系统都不能用了?
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又看到一个推特传播谣言的活生生的例子：昨天晚上，@mranti 发出一条推: "热比亚在接受半岛采访时，承认她要求维族人上街抗议韶关事件，但不承认对骚乱有责任。" 但是几十分钟后，做出更正：“@mranti: 更正：热比亚在半岛采访中只承认她要求海外（abroad）维族人上街。”，尽管只有区区几十分钟，第一条推已经传播得非常广泛了。更糟糕的是，今天早上，“不明真相”的人们又在传播第一条推了（图二），完全不知道@mranti更正声明的存在。谣言就这样不可避免了：（（
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谣言的确很多 看来RT要谨慎
- 佛陀
呵呵, 这就是 twitter 的可佩之处, 也是可怕之处, 其实想想, twitter 还是相当容易被利用的, 而且经营成本并不高, 效果却蛮不错的..
- Roamlog
是啊，人们RT并不用负责任的..
- K.D.
这只能说明这个人没有责任感而已....
- Roamlog
也不能完全这么说，我的想法是，RT有时是体现人们对确认事实的一种期望，希望推传到真正知情者那里，得到确认
- K.D.
当然人常常会先入为主，想当然
- K.D.
在一個公開的信息環境中，謠言有自我修複機制。
- jasontsui
不完全修复吧，信息传播的深度和广度不同，每次传播的概率和情况也不一样了
- K.D.
你觉得这条谣言会得到修复吗？说不定有人看完第一条推就采取行动了，完全无视更正的存在..
- K.D.
正因为这样,让不同声音传播出来才显得重要
- baomian
太多不同的声音只会导致混乱
- K.D.
不能过于苛求, 只能希望大家在传播信息的时候慎重一点, 有责任感一点了...
- Roamlog
为何第一条是谣言，后一条更正?为什么不能是:第一条是对的，后一条是谣言？为何我们要相信 @mranti ？有人看过半岛采访热比亚吗？
- 黄色蜻蜓
单从乌鲁木齐事件就可以看出谣言起了多大的作用, 可以说是相当大....
- Roamlog
在有权威有信用的媒体出现之前，这种现象不可避免，以前小道消息是口头传播的，twitter只不过是凭借新媒介使这个传播速度大大提高而已，没有必要为这个担心，网民自然会成熟起来的，美国超市里的那种八卦小报基本上没有可信度，照样卖的不错，因为一般美国人买来只是消遣一下
- topo
问题是这次在中国，人们可不是消遣谣言，人们直接上街...
- K.D.
@topo 但你说的这段话的前提已经不成立了, 那应该咋办呢...
- Roamlog
我个人认为，谣言快速传播实际上反映了对中国主流媒体的信用丧失信心。
- topo
那不能为推特是谣言机器开脱罪名，当然它也是好东西，推特的双面性
- K.D.
@Roamlog twitter传播不实消息是副作用，我宁可听到各种流言，而不是只听到CCAV的一种声音
- topo
信息传播在中国是一种进步，就算有些副作用，也不能因噎废食
- Eric
当然任何传播途径都有两面性，CCTV的传播快吧，扭曲的实事不是更多么？
- Eric
不建议使用“谣言”这个词，世界上的消息可以区别为真消息和假消息，twitterer没责任也没有能力去证实所有消息，能做的只是传播消息而已，工具如此，人也如此。
- PT
感觉ZF给我们描绘出来的民族大团结也是谎言，就像我们说的和谐，实际上是为了要掩盖不和谐而已
- topo
口口传播的假消息更多，只是无法跟踪路径而已，难道因此大家都要闭嘴？！
- Eric
传播的开放性与封闭性，推特过于开放，CCTV过于封闭……
- 非|Felix
没有人让大家都闭嘴，也没有人说推特该死，不能用，我们的讨论是想引起大家对RT和传播消息的一些注意。
- K.D.
从一开始我就只说了要慎重一点, 有责任感一点
- Roamlog
其实FF的这种话题模式可以算是一个折中，开放性与封闭性很好的契合，既可以自由发布，又可以有效传播……
- 非|Felix
我就rt了第一条，看来以后不能随便rt了。
- 老巫师
如果诸位有谁都对消息那么敏感，还能迅速分别谣言，严重推荐其投身股市，绝对可超巴菲特
- PT
呵呵，看来这条贴还是有效果的
- K.D.
我个人觉得关于热比亚那两条tweets，并没有很大矛盾之处，如果不从个人观点出发进行解读其实没有什么大不了的，如果前一个tweet说死了1560人，第二个更正说只死了156人，这才能说是谣言
- topo
Twitter并不是唯一的信息来源，兼听则明，人们自会甄别，因为担心信息的准确性就放弃传播，实在不可取。虽然我并没有RT哪一条消息
- Eric
@topo 你可以去问问@mranti 他为什么要发出更正？他是不是也觉得他传出了错误的消息。
- K.D.
@eric yan 推特是我们的权利：）没有人会放弃
- K.D.
@eric yan 我可没觉得 twitter 上的不少人有对信息进行甄别,就拿这条目就可以举例了...
- Roamlog
@K.D. 我也没有那么多事要去问他啦；还有早些时候看到的那个热比娅拿着石首的照片接受采访我也没觉得是很大的事情，谁都会搞错嘛，当然可能很多人会不同意我的观点
- topo
大家没有争吵，都是渴望自由的信息的人，只是看法不同，比如KD提出这个问题，本身就是对信息的甄别结果,不是么，现在大家都知道这个消息有误了。而且我会RT这条消息
- Eric
恩，希望更多的人加入讨论。
- K.D.
@佛陀 我也觉得新闻消息最好不要 RT 而是直接给出源，但考虑到中国目前的封锁手段, RT 实际也是一种饥渴状态的反应
- topo
@topo 相信人们的判断力吧，RT只是一个传播路径，没有RT，TW就没有意义了，我认为任何人在RT时就已经进行了甄别，只是不一定正确而已，不论你做什么动作，都是经过自身选择的。就像我们follow一个人，本身就是对消息的选择。如果我follow的人经常RT假消息，我会unfollow他，这就是筛选
- Eric
有意思，如果连岳RT了三次假消息，你会unfollow他吗？：））连岳只是个例子，我想知道，在可信的人，和可信的消息之间，你是如何取舍的？
- K.D.
是吗? 人类会"情不自禁", "一厢情愿" 地去信任某个人,某类人或某些人, 然后就直接把思考, 甄别抛脑后了....
- Roamlog
不要过于忧心忡忡。对于真正冷静的人来说，纷纭芜杂甚至有冲突有真假的消息并不是问题。安替更正的很及时，这是严肃的态度，而持续关注者也不会断章取义。只看到一条消息就下结论，只能说此人头脑too simple。
- 蓝无忧
@K.D. 老大，我本来就没有follow他，不是每个人都对同一类名人有兴趣
- Eric
看我的补充问题，sorry
- K.D.
其实流言看多了，自然就有辨识能力了，就像《人民日报》看多了，有心的人会看出弦外之音来；从这两条推可以看出热比娅确实“煽动”了一下（不论对象是海外的人还是国内的人），但这个事实仍然不能把ZF的责任推掉，ZF的责任还是主要的
- topo
@topo 你这是讨论的另一个话题了, 这里好像没人说政府没责任吧? 也没说要为政府推卸责任吧..
- Roamlog
一些群众总是不明真相的，要么被这边利用，要么被那边利用
- eyejava
呵呵，确实，大家讨论的不是责任问题，是怎么提高信息质量的问题，速度和质量是矛盾的两个方面，路径不同取舍不同。
- Eric
@K.D. 你看，效果不错FF的路径对这次TW的路径形成了一个很好的纠错机制，呵呵
- Eric
哈哈，@mranti 发出“重复更正：热比亚在半岛采访中只承认在韶关时间后，她要求海外（abroad）维族人上街。”
- K.D.
@Roamlog 就我看twitter和一些中文论坛的帖子，似乎对ZF的指责很少，倒是指责热比娅/维吾尔族人的满眼都是
- topo
和平呛声是天赋人权，不能动不动就说是煽动，你加上引号这就对了。如果煽动暴力，这才是为各国法律所不容的。中共外交部发言人所谓”相信随着调查的进一步展开，事实真相终将大白于天下。我相信，有关部门会继续对外公布有关事实证据“，其实就是供称”尚无（确凿）证据“。相信云云，终将云云，继续公布云云，全他妈的糙蛋。在没有确证的情况下，这只能叫做政治煽动。
- 蓝无忧
ms主题的话题讨论完了，效果也不错：）大家可以让我kill这个帖子？
- K.D.
@topo 这要看你打算在哪个层面去讨论乌鲁木齐这个问题了....
- Roamlog
这个问题上，任何ZF过失，都不能成为滥杀无辜的借口，所以大家不便评论
- Eric
@K.D. kill items 是犯罪....
- Roamlog
@K.D. 反对 kill
- topo
对 @eric yan 的观点 +1
- Roamlog
哈哈，kill是最后一个留言的意思：） 既然大家这么热情，我就不kill了，请继续
- K.D.
“让她（真理）与谬误交锋吧，谁看见在自由而公开的交战中，真理会败下阵来？- 1644年，弥尔顿，《论出版自由》
- jasontsui
@Roamlog 我对新疆情况不了解，估计也无法深入讨论，但我觉得ZF没有从去年西藏的类似事件中吸取教训，反而变本加厉地封锁消息，封锁网站，无法让我接受
- topo
@K.D. 切, 除非 ff 推出 锁 的功能, 不然你是 kill 不掉的...
- Roamlog
@eric yan “任何ZF过失，都不能成为滥杀无辜的借口” 我觉得这个是有限度的，如果到了人神共愤的程度，而又没有合法的政权更迭程序的话，最后的就是诉诸暴力，而且会走火，GCD 开始闹革命的那些故事现在看来也都血腥者呢
- topo
@topo 我們談的是濫殺無辜，不是針對暴力機關，你對平民訴至暴力的目的何在？
- jasontsui
@topo 说这个话可能要谨慎，因为设计人们最宝贵的生命权，你最好统计一下死伤人员中多少是体制内的人，一次来证明无辜只是走火造成的，如果多数为无辜，那没有人会支持暴行！
- Eric
我并不是说乱砍人是对的，但任何事件发生都是有原因的，没有人喜欢放着好日子（甚至是一般日子）不过，要去杀人吧？
- topo
@topo 那我们讨论讨论关于封锁消息这个话题好了, 1) 封锁消息这是各国政府都会采取的处理行动 2) 本次事件, 其中有一部分原因就和谣言有关, 封锁消息, 也可以一定程度上遏止事件的进一步升级 3) 政府比较快的时间就已经允许外媒进入乌鲁木齐实地报道, 并未干涉, 而是比较负责地在保护他们的安全 4) 就此事件而论, 政府并没有出现比较大的过错, 处理比较得当 .... 5) 当然话说回来, 封锁网站等这当然有错误的一面 6) 封锁网站并不是最佳解决方案, 但也只是权宜之计 7) 往远来说, 往长来说, 我希望政府能够重建信用机制, 积极正面地引导舆论, 但不是主导舆论 8) 乌鲁木齐事件非常复杂, 责任不能完全归咎于 gcd, 可以说可以上溯到上百年, 甚至几百年前....
- Roamlog
这是两个层面的问题，谴责暴行的同时，我也谴责ZF的信息不透明，但并不会减少我们对暴行的愤怒。
- Eric
@topo 這件事是維漢兩個民族的衝突，有他的歷史根源，不是體制內的官民衝突，要比石首、巴東事件複雜很多，不是那麼好評論的。
- jasontsui
@Roamlog 我认为封锁消息，只能使现在ZF几乎破产的信用更加恶劣，ZF发布的消息更加可疑
- topo
@jasontsui 似乎还是和社会不公平有关系
- topo
无论如何，网络还是最可信的媒体。当然也有谬误，但是至少给了大家一个判断的机会，一个接近事实真相的机会
- Baiyssy
@topo 一个不健全的机制, 一个不完善的机制, 很多时候并没有太多的办法去处理突发事件的... , 我倒不觉得说官方消息就更可疑, 而是觉得, 政府这样藏着掖着, 会让信息更加的扁平化, 让更多人接受到的信息不对称, 从而加深对 zf 的怀疑和指责, 本来有些事情政府并无过错, 但别人通过自己所获得的信息做出判断......
- Roamlog
@topo 是多少有關係，但是不像官民衝突那麼單純，因為換了誰做都不容易處理，美國都沒搞好和穆斯林的關係。所以我覺得這件事不是那麼好評價。
- jasontsui
这种推法比较好
- Zhang
@Roamlog 一直发生这种事情，但这个ZF似乎没有解决问题的念头，这才让人失望
- topo
@topo 至于你说到的社会不公平, 就维汉人来说, 汉族人也会跳出来说的, 就事论事, 政府对少数民族的优待还是不少的, 至于说到人权, 对遗产的保护,对文化的保护, 我觉得所有民族都一样, 半斤八两, 都没怎么保护或保护的不到位....
- Roamlog
@jasontsui 我看的西方媒体报道，访问一些维吾尔族，都是说 second class treatment，这个问题其实不仅对少数民族，汉族自己内部也很普遍，我觉得宗教冲突还是其次的，美国则是宗教问题了，并且本土还没有尖锐化
- topo
"second class treatment" ? 呵呵, 我不能就所有少数民族的待遇得出结论, 我只对我接触过或认识的或感受过的少数民族的待遇谈一点点看法, 我觉得, 在少数民族面前, 我们汉族人才是 "second class treatment"
- Roamlog
@Roamlog 我是最近几天看了一些新疆问题的文章，比如新疆的基层干部过分安插汉族，维族青年失业率高等等
- topo
@Roamlog 你说的是东部城市吧，暴乱没有在那里发生
- topo
另外, 要指出的一点是, 外媒在实时报道一些事件时, 都会带有倾向性, 所以对待外媒也要保持一定的冷静, 比如 bbc, 呵呵.... 还有其它一些外媒, 举例吧, 在他们展出的大量照片中, 都是所谓警察拿着枪对着一些维族人, 维族妇女在请愿啊什么的, 却基本没出现那些伤亡的场面.... 蛮有意思的...
- Roamlog
@Roamlog 你说的媒体倾向的问题会一直有的，但CNN这些媒体很多时候可以不同意他们的观点/倾向，仍然可以看他们的事实报道，这就是和CCAV最大的不同点
- topo
@topo 是啊，那麼爲什麽這些維人不去攻擊政府和暴力機關，而是攻擊漢人呢？
- jasontsui
在我看来, 从根本性质上, 这些媒体和 ccav 没有很大的区别, 只是程度问题而已, 这些媒体都在以自己的所谓的价值观输出舆论,又和其它一些乱七八糟的,比如国家利益等挂钩, 在"引导"舆论, 当然我是很肯定其中的一些客观事实的报道了, 这点比 cctv 好很多了...
- Roamlog
@jasontsui 公众都是盲目的，等到事态发展到上街，最后都是打砸烧，甚至杀
- topo
别忘了，这次骚乱的起因之一就是网上流传的关于“60名”新疆工人被汉人狂扁的谣言。理论上，开放的信息社会拥有自我纠正的功能，但在操作上不是那么回事
- sunzhifeng
对，信息的发布和传播具有不可逆的特点，所以纠正只能无限接近，而不能完全消除。
- K.D.
@sunzhifeng 问题是我们并不是“开放的信息社会”，而且也没有西方社会的宣泄渠道（通过上诉）
- topo
上访的人，虽然较真儿，但至少还是属于理性解决问题的人，不懂为什么ZF要打压，硬把这些人逼上非理性的路
- topo
那就该讨论体制问题了, 不过这样就跑题比较远了....而且讨论起来,太大, 只能泛泛...
- Roamlog
@Baiyssy 从另一个角度来说, 他们也是帮凶....或叫纵容者...
- Roamlog
主席匆匆回国，后续会采取什么措施值得推敲。
- Paul
@topo 不是這樣的，近年來這麼多群體事件也沒發生過漢人打維人打藏人的事情，更別說老百姓之間相互對抗的事情出現，老百姓都很團結一直的對抗政府和暴力機關，沒有人沖到街上看人就砍。這次完全不同，是明顯的民族衝突，才會有這樣的慘劇。
- jasontsui
The riots, which began when a peaceful protest by ethnic Uighurs spiralled out of control on Sunday, appear to be increasingly fuelled by wild rumours spread over the internet and by word of mouth. Local Uighurs said they had heard that Han Chinese factory workers in Guangdong had killed 600 Uighurs and chopped them into small pieces. - 我的评论：信息管制有助于控制事态恶化，但是从长远稳定来讲，信息开放才是终极解决方法
- sunzhifeng
@sunzhifeng 就乌鲁木齐的信息管制和对全局, 常态下的信息管制其实是两个话题, 我觉得很多人都喜欢混为一谈, 不过初看上去, zf 的做法也混在一起了, 囧....
- Roamlog
区别在于“信息管制”的权力是否被“管制”
- K.D.
这次信息管制的策略，一方面对社会化媒体进行严控（包括关闭网站评论部分），一方面邀请记者到乌市采访、在网站上迅速报道事件发展。我觉得ZF对于危机时期的信息管制策略，事先是下了一番功夫进行研究，一定的管制措施也是合适的。问题在于，危机过去，通常意义上的信息管制，缺少规则和透明度，难以适应中国社会发展的现实，因此广受海内外诟病
- sunzhifeng
@jasontsui: 就我以前的经验和最近网上阅读，几个维吾尔人围起来打一个汉人的事情，在（汉人很多的）乌鲁木齐每天都发生（起因往往是讲价钱后没买东西这种小事），在南疆汉人被打死的事更是多的连警察都顾不上管（我曾经想去南疆玩儿，被新疆的同学力劝不要去）。这次事件只是个体化变成集体化了
- topo
FF应该改进一下comment的方式，也许可以效仿一下slashdot。
- darwin|1q84
早说了 RT 是传谣造谣之宝，喜欢的就尽管乱用
- LeON
真实性==人物--消息源和媒体取向的矛盾 ，时间--新闻时效性影响对证实时间的要求，地点--波及面和地域利益的非完全包含，事件--公认价值影响信息接收量的大小。
- kelvin
kelvin 你来了啊，打算开新一轮？XD
- K.D.
呵呵，在室外，只是看你的问题，对于真实建议多注意几个方面
- kelvin
昨天早上也看到这个消息,不过好象没有RT..原因是信号不好，当时只能看推,难以回推..
- Joseph Chen
所以gov要ban twitter，从这个意义上客观地说，利大于弊。但从根本上说，还是有深层次的矛盾在。
- chunzi
推是每个人的权利，产生谣言只是它的一点毛病而已，况且很大程度上也是因为官方信息没有公开透明导致，“gov要ban twitter”是粗暴的。
- K.D.
没有什么太开放，如果开放不彻底，那封闭就没有止境阿。 那有假消息，你不也听到真消息了吗。 如果是CCTV, 就永远只有假消息快速传播。
- xiawinter
Sources: Google OS lives (and it's coming to a netbook near you) - Ars Technica - http://arstechnica.com/web...
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"Two separate sources—one inside the company and one outside it—have confirmed to Ars tonight that Google plans to launch an operating system built in some fashion around its new web browser, Chrome. One source says that the new OS will be launched soon, perhaps as early as tomorrow. Tentatively called "Google Chrome OS," the project appears targeted at netbooks... [A] quick-booting OS built around a single application like Chrome would be a natural fit for a netbook."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
If Google doesn't build this soon, I am going to do it myself at some point. I really, really want an instant-on laptop with low power consumption running Chrome. And I am not the only one.
- Bret Taylor
umm... you meant Android, right? :)
- Tim Hoeck
Tim: to make Android a great laptop OS, you would need to do a lot of work. Just because it exists doesn't mean it works well for this use case.
- Bret Taylor
Wee need the Google OS Now!!
- Francisco Espinoza
from BuddyFeed
*resists urge to play Simon*
- Derrick
waves hands wildy -- me too - I also want simple useful O/S that doesn't have "security hole" crap!, plus instant on, low power consumption (ideal for laptop / netbooks) with Chrome browser Ahhhh
- Susan Beebe
Well, if you want that, you want an instant-on os, which are already available. I would prefer a fairly low power, fairly robust environment, not to mention a sharable environment with my mobile device. I'll actually be upset if Google builds "yet another OS". Also, I don't know think it would take a whole lot of work to make (strip) android and make it work based on a browser and maybe...
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- Tim Hoeck
Whatever it is it will need to address media - both consumable (think Netflix) and personal (my photos and my mp3s). Not to mention Google needs to get their head on straight about Android branding.
- Hayes Haugen
First reaction is that it is a misstep to separate this from their Android efforts.
- Hayes Haugen
Android has to be closer to an OS than Chrome, since it is actually on OS. Chrome does device management etc? An OS does a lot more than execute javascript in processes.
- Todd Hoff
I think currently the only OS that doesn't have a security hole is one that is locked in a closet with no network connectivity and no input or output devices.
- MiniMage - HLtW
I know why google cannot release a google chrome web browser on a linux platform. they're doing some shit operating system
- xiawinter
Derrick, how can you resist?! Do you really have a Simon? When I see that pic I have this memory of playing Simon on a plane when I was a kid. I'm sure I drove the other passengers insane! [EDIT: Wikipedia says Simon came out in 1978, which would make me 17 at the time. Weird, in my memory I'm younger ...]
- Laura Norvig
Here's my favourite tweet about the Chrome/OS in Chinese and the translation: http://friendfeed.com/lost-in... :D
- Micah Wittman
Micah: hilarious idea for a FriendFeed Group! Just subscribed.
- Bret Taylor
My Simon needs batteries.
- MiniMage - HLtW
Thanks, Bret!
- Micah Wittman
runny Jaunty on my HP mini is a breeze. not the goofy 'Mi' flavor, either - pure Juanty. Chrome OS? meh!
- MikeAmundsen
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