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- el burrito
@Siminya, yukarıda yazıldı mı bilmiyorum ama bi de topçu sevgilin olmalı. Bu ablada durum böyle. Sabri evlenmemiş olsaydı, onu önerebilirdim sana :s
- el burrito
"On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: “It’s bullshit.” Audience roars."
- Kevin Fox
from Bookmarklet
Funny how evil is in the eye of the beholder. I don't doubt that Google would like Android to make the iPhone irrelevant, but that's not evil; it's competition. And not even as harsh a competitive tactic as Apple's holding Google's iPhone apps in limbo because Apple is afraid they might succeed.
- Kevin Fox
I think Jobs sees all competition as zero-sum, so he seems to think Google's out to destroy the iPhone. But I don't know anyone at Google (including on the Android team) that thinks this way. A healthy, heterogeneous market is good for everyone, Google and Apple included.
- Joel Webber
from BuddyFeed
Totally agree, Kevin. It's all psychological bullshit to appeal to incite the fanboys.
- Amy
Agreed, Joel. Google's certainly trying harder than Apple to broaden the smartphone market beyond the high-end. I think Google would be a lot more satisfied if they covered Nokia's global footprint than if they surpassed Apple in unit shipments.
- Kevin Fox
Also, not that it matters but Google bought Android two years before Apple started selling the iPhone. It's not like Google suddenly decide to infringe on Apple's turf.
- Kevin Fox
It saddens me how most of the comments on all the articles covering this story agree with Steve that Google is somehow evil. Le sigh...
- Michael Leggett
Google was so lost in the browser for many years. Most of the companies who are not Web oriented were not even interested in what Google was doing. And now current acts such as Android and Chrome OS get their reactions, because all suddenly Google changed roadmaps -- suddenly means last 2-3 years in my scale.
- Burcu Dogan
Nokia didn't enter Apple's market and sell iPods or iMacs or MacBooks, I wonder how Nokia feels about Apple's entry into smartphones? ;-p
- Ray Cromwell
also any developer dealing with apple found. and adobe-flash plugin could get the idea what steve says..
- mehmet t. akalın
Yeah - those are the types of things a cult leader says to his cult to get them to rally against the enemies ;-)
- Jesse Stay
I say.. even this cute company called Apple is bullshit too.. They are lazy bastards as well..
- Pico Seno
Well said, Aaron - motivation is good for us all :-) I like new Google AND Apple technology.
- Jesse Stay
If I were sitting there at the iPad announcement, I would have been waiting for a runner to come down the aisle to throw a sledgehammer through the screen with Jobs's face on it.
- Gabe
@Paul, you're starting to sound a little too much like Gordon Gecko
- Fleagle
Are you implying that competition is bad Fleagle? Monopolies tend to be abusive, or at best lazy. Google competing with the iPhone may not be what's best for Apple, but it's better for the rest of the world. I declare it 99.9% good :)
- Paul Buchheit
No @Paul, I actually don't care to be honest. I just love the movie "Wall Street."
- Fleagle
@Paul as a matter of fact, there had been historical records of true business competition had been causing more harm than good (water supply services few centuries back in London, UK), but you probably won't agree for sake of "competition being good by definition" :) (oh, and I am "all pro competition" too, but I do like historical facts)
- A. T.
@Paul also Apple vs Google vs very-few-more-key-players vs rest-is-negligible fits perfectly oligopoly case - do you like oligopoly? :)
- A. T.
There's competition where each company tries to out-innovate the other and there's competition where they try to undermine the other. In my experience Google represents the former.
- Kevin Fox
Competition is evil. If Apple loses because of Google, it would have to fire innocent employees, and Google won't replace the lost jobs by selling their phones online.
- Jérôme
from iPhone
The nice thing about Android is that it is monopoly/oligopoly resistant because it is open source. If Google pushes it too far, or stops innovating, someone else (e.g. Microsoft) can fork it and create their own competitive strain of Android. The same is not true of iPhone obviously.
- Paul Buchheit
is that really true Paul? Isn't this Google slamming into MS and Apple trying to take market share with another prop system?
- Thomas Power
Yes, I think there are already some non-Google Android devices, though none of the popular ones are. I doubt Microsoft will ever do it for the same reason that they aren't adopting WebKit for IE, but technically they could (and perhaps should).
- Paul Buchheit
Android's already being used in several non-cellphone devices like media players from Archos and Barnes & Noble's Nook e-reader.
- Kevin Fox
How's it feel to be, according to Valleywag, the face of Google's counter-Apple strategy post-Jobs lashing out? http://gawker.com/5461539... Bloggers are silly.
- Mark Trapp
I think it's funny that Ryan Tate didn't mention my staunch advocacy of Apple's stance on Flash.
- Kevin Fox
I'm rolling my eyes at that gawker article. (Nice find, Mark.)
- Stephen Mack
I want to know when Facebook is going to build their own Android phone. ;-)
- Jesse Stay
O sweet so this thread is a developing news story about a news story about a #headexplodes
- LANjackal
Or what I really want to know is when Ryan Tate is going to start using FriendFeed ;-)
- Jesse Stay
You guys might want to check out Gruber's additional perspective on what Jobs said. http://www.wired.com/epicent... Note, in particular, the updates. It sounds like the original report painted his comments more harshly than they were delivered.
- The original Kevin
For the record (and since there are now a lot of people reading this thread who don't know me, my stance and my tone) I totally get why Steve said the things he said, and I don't really begrudge him for it. It's sad that he chose to rally his troops by implying that the other guy's got it in for them, so they'd better fight back hard, but it's nothing compared to calling your competitors Nazis: http://fury.com/2005...
- Kevin Fox
I'd like to ask Apple about their thoughts and plans about Maps, and about online advertising, two businesses that Google entered first.
- Kevin Fox
Really? I thought he was mad at Microsoft and IBM a *lot* in the 80s. The whole 1984 ad was a poke at IBM. It is funny though that externally he says that nobody's come close to where the iPhone was 3 years ago, but to his own troops he's saying 'Google's out to get us, so watch out.'
- Kevin Fox
Not that old-mindsets are particularly constructive, but I think Jobs, in particular his mindset, is a product of the OS wars of the '80s and '90s. Microsoft was out to get Apple with its second-rate products and infinite cash reserves: Apple was the last stand between Microsoft, the death of innovation, and the proliferation of mediocrity. Now that Microsoft has been vanquished, the...
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- Mark Trapp
I think the only thing standing in the way of Google-targeted ad campaigns like Apple's "Redmond: Start your photocopiers" ads is the fact that Google's brand is viewed even more favorably than Apple's. Apple can't publicly attack a company that people love without taking a serious hit.
- Kevin Fox
Apple is afraid. They don't enter the search business because they know they can't win. Google sees a way to put customers/devs first and does see a way to succeed.
- Nathan Snyder
Kevin: I think the 1984 ad was a poke at what Apple was to become in 2010.
- Gabe
Respectfully, I think the level of Google fanboi-ism is equal to that of Apple. Google is an innovative company. So is Apple. Neither is devoid of warts.
- The original Kevin
I love both Apple and Google, but I hate it when they fight or act spoiled.
- Kevin Fox
Yes, and despite (or because of) SJ being kind of a nut, Apple is still awesome and I'll be buying a tablet :)
- Paul Buchheit
It's fun to watch extremely controlling people throw tantrums when they don't get their way. Waaaaaah!
- Garmon Estes
Just curious: Paul, will you buy it because you need it or because you trust Apple for having designed the tablet you'll love?
- Jérôme
Apparently there can only be one maker of phones. Does that mean that phones with keyboards are evil?
- Sam Levine
Schmidt should have excused himself from Apple's board conversations on the iPhone, when he was well aware that Google is (secretly) working on Android & Nexus One. This definitely falls within the definition of evil. I'm actually surprised it's legal.
- Tal Broda
I don't think Android was secret -- Google bought the company a long time ago.
- Paul Buchheit
None of you feel that Eric Schmidt sitting on Apple's board while developing competing technology is evil?
- Richard Luther
It was disclosed to Apple and they chose to continue having him on the board (or do you think he just make up a random excuse to leave the room every time the iPhone was discussed?) Why would that be evil Richard?
- Paul Buchheit
I don't get it. Why do Apple fanboys hate competition? I personally love it that the iPad is perceived as competition to the Kindle. Competition is good for the consumer!
- Piaw Na
@Piaw Okay, fine. Let Jobs sit on the Google board while developing an Apple search engine.
- Richard Luther
Richard, if he disclosed that fact, and Google still wanted him on the board, then there would be nothing wrong with doing that.
- Paul Buchheit
And I wouldn't mind at all if Apple tried its hand at a search engine. In fact, they did do spotlight. :-)
- Piaw Na
Here's the deal, folks. It's not about hating competition, it's about hating working together. Apple and Google have historically had strong ties. The two companies have worked closely on many products. Both companies have benefitted, and IMO consumers have benefitted. Do you think Google helped or harmed that relationship when they decided to compete directly with Apple?
- Richard Luther
They harmed the relationship but helped the world. That seems like a fair deal to me. We should be nervous when big companies get too close.
- Paul Buchheit
I was always uncomfortable with that relationship.
- Piaw Na
Richard, Google decided to enter the mobile OS space before Apple had a phone.
- Daniel Dulitz
Paul, I agree that the competition this situation created is great for us, the consumers, but if you look at when Eric recused himself, and consider when the first iPhone shipped, you will see a problem.
- Tal Broda
Sure, I see a problem, but the problem is too MUCH implicit collusion between Google and Apple, not too little. I do think that it is probably true that the close relationship between Google and Apple led them to compete less than they otherwise would have, and that was a bit "evil". But that makes it GOOD that that is changing.
- David desJardins
AlternativeTo is a new approach to finding good software. Tell us what application you want to replace and we give you suggestions on great alternatives! Instead of listing thousands of more or less crappy applications in a category, we make each application into a category.
- Tim Hoeck
This site has both Desktop and Mobile alternatives to applications.
- Tim Hoeck
+1 Grasslands. Pure awesomeness. Nice job Kevin et al.
- Shannon Bauman
I love the clouds on Grasslands. It's too bad they disappear!! Nice job
- Marci Golub
The Orion theme is sweet, although the centering of the image makes it so that the most dynamic parts of it are hidden behind the actual feed. Maybe make the feed area background semi-transparent?
- Brian Chang
wow, this second batch of themes kicks ass
- chrisofspades
Kevin mentioned it to me the other day, but I don't remember now where he said he found it. When he is around again I'm sure he'll chime in.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Didn't know there were new themes.....have to check them out....like the looks of Grasslands.
- Bonnie Foster
The NASA Orion pic is a mosaic of several Hubble pictures. I found it via this blog post: http://www.bittbox.com/resourc... and got the actual source from Wikimedia from this page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki... I could tell you how to spot the artifacts that show this to be a mosaic, but if I did, you'd always notice them and you would be sad.
- Kevin Fox
So Kevin, be honest... Have you inserted a Triforce into any of your themes?
- travispuk
from iPhone
I mighthave if I'd found out about it before Phillipp broke the story, but he did it right after we launched!
- Kevin Fox
Cool. Thanks Kevin for the background on the Orion pic.
- Just Joe
Adblock Plus, DownThemAll, Firebug, Fission (status bar and loading indicator in location bar), Stop-or-Reload Button, Tamper Data, Xmarks... (and OS X only 1Password's add-on)
- Berk D. Demir
adblock, Tab Mix Plus (for the extra options), Fission (cool Safari/Mac stuff), All-in-One Gestures, SearchWP, Custom Download Manager (downloads are not supposed to open another window!), Jetpack (for the potential and the ad-blocking options), Hide Menubar (for the extra screen space).
- George Moga
Scott: Of course not, but it is the most popular, and .debs moreso.
- Tanath
Ahsan: You don't need to download everything. You simply add the repository to /etc/sources.list (which can be done via Software Sources from the Admin menu in Gnome, or in Synaptic) and then you can install whatever you like from that repo - in this case, chromium.
- Tanath
Tanath, oh I see. Will try it out !
- Ahsan Ali
from IM
If you're not familiar with managing your repositories, you may want to look up a guide. You might also like Ubuntu Tweak, which has a sources.list editor, and can manage adding the Chromium repository for you (among others). You can find it here: http://ubuntu-tweak.com/downloa... (Still assuming you're running Ubuntu Linux).
- Tanath
Thanks, I'm comfortable with the command line. Perhaps I misunderstood the message on the repository page which said I had to download xx GB of packages.
- Ahsan Ali
from IM
Adblock is a must, i can handle without the rest...
- Dudu Bekel
Oh, LOL. That's how much space the repo is taking on the server. That was the actual repo URL. The actual line you should add would be: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromiu... jaunty main # Google Chromium
- Tanath
Today, Google engineers announced a technology called PubSubHubbub that makes RSS/Atom more real-time, and they deployed the technology on FeedBurner. FriendFeed also added support for the technology, so if you have a FeedBurner feed, your updates should show up in FriendFeed within seconds rather than minutes after the feed updates.
To enable it for your FeedBurner feed: go to Feedburner, click on the "Publicize" tab, and then click on "PingShot" and enable the PingShot service. That will enable PubSubHubbub and send your feed to a number of ping services.
- Bret Taylor
Once step closer to being able to build an open distributed twitter like system!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
this has been done already by superfeedr.com - google's behind the game on this one, but def takes it mainstream.
- Scott Magdalein
I don't understand. Updates won't appear on Feedburner in realtime, so what's the point?
- ˈpɛbə
Peter: most blogging platforms ping Feedburner when you post a new entry, Feedburner pulls down the feed, Feedburner then pings the hub, then the hub notifies FriendFeed :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks Benjamin. Alas, my feeds are not that sophisticated.
- ˈpɛbə
We're still working out kinks so if you have any issues please send me a message!
- Brett Slatkin
You lost me at "Today" I shall now just smile and nod politely
- SteVe C
If I understand correctly this essentially turns any site with a feedburner feed into a real time publisher? But to read it in real time you need what?
- BryanSchuetz
Since this is a Google thingie, does it work on Google Reader already?
- Tarmo Aidantausta
FriendFeed can receive the pings *RIGHT NOW*
- Brett Slatkin
guys, how long are we really talking before it should appear here? Seconds or minutes?
- Zee.
The Reader integration is a prototype; more to come soon!
- Brett Slatkin
no way, so Google Reader could technically go real time??
- Zee.
is that SUP's role take up by those rss accelerator? or SUP is losing a chance to propagate in this field?
- huixing
Huixing: we plan to support all widely adopted real-time standards to make FriendFeed better. We are not tied to SUP only.
- Bret Taylor
from iPhone
Brett, why didn't you use the weblogs.com ping protocol? Your comment there about RSS, right up front, really captures the whole philosophy -- right? Let's just reinvent stuff that already works, so... Why? To break everything that already works? It won't happen that way. It'll only make your adoption curve steeper.
- Dave Winer
Is this working for anyone else? Anyone getting near real time publishing to Friendfeed with feedburner?
- Zee.
from iPhone
Would you ping me (dave dot winer at gmail dot com) when I can use RSS with this system. I'll be happy to evaluate it and provide feedback if necessary, and endorse it if it works. Thanks in advance.
- Dave Winer
Alright we've fixed in the spec Dave. Sorry for the mistake. Followed up.
- Brett Slatkin
I had enabled from way before, let's see if the post I'm about to publish works. I'll DM you Zee if it does!
- Jorge Escobar
can someone please let me know if they've managed to get this working?
- Zee.
There's also a WP plugin I wrote that does the same thing. This might be a good option for anyone who's not using feedburner. http://wordpress.org/extend...
- Josh Fraser
Zee, I set this up for my Empoprise-BI blog, wrote a blog post (using Blogger), and six minutes after posting I haven't seen anything in Google Reader or FriendFeed yet. So if you're not getting advertised response, you're not the only one. I'll test again at a later time.
- John E. Bredehoft
cool...just want to be sure it isn't me alone
- Zee.
Update - seven minutes after posting, the post showed up on FriendFeed (both in my feed, and in a group that receives the blog feed). Nothing in Google Reader yet.
- John E. Bredehoft
John: The Reader integration we demo'ed was a prototype; more to come in the future!
- Brett Slatkin
yeah, it seems 7 minutes is about how long its taking me for too (to arrive in friendfeed)
- Zee.
Could you DM me the feed URL? I'll look into the details and figure out the issue. Like I said before, we're still working out a few kinks (the FeedBurner integration is initial support right now). So thanks in advance for your help in making it super fast!
- Brett Slatkin
If you're looking for another implementation of PubSubHubbub, I'd suggest you give a look to our http://superfeedr.com ;) Thanks for your time and feedback!
- Julien
Heh, what's the idea behind the crazy name? ;)
- Tyson Key
does self hosted wordpress natively ping feedburner?
- Tyler Gillies
Nice to see XMPP more and more used on the web! It's a nice environment, also for cloud computing!
- Egon Willighagen
Nice tech, strange name though. Wonder if Google has a projectname generator, feeds it some foundation words, and then watches it spew out 1,835391 suggestions in 20-sized chunks? Too bad they didn't pick up PubSubBuzz instead, rhymes better. Also, what was EVER WRONG with PubSubHubris? (fresh and full of promise).
- ianf ⌘
This tech has been around for ages. It's getting much needed promotion right now, but it's not new. The name comes from XMPP's pubsub mechanism, with hubbub on the end. The option for PingShot has also been in Feedburner for months.
- Marlin Forbes
I think that unless you have installed the pubsubhubbub plugin for wordpress, that feedburner still polls your content. It pushes your content out to other interested parties using the new mechanism, but it will still poll your feed. Correct?
- Marlin Forbes
Setting up Discus was more complicated than it should have been on my site.. but they were VERY reachable thru twitter, and helped out quickly... however I'm still not 100% convinced they are the winning service moving forwards. JS-Kit looks excellent, Discus seemed to me to have a larger community.
- ASKJDOG
Congratulations Chris! Long time, no see. Happy to see these things things by JS-Kit!
- directeur
I prefer Scoble in America, he is more active ;)
- Mark
"Aw, I stepped in gum!... I think it was my own!"
- Rachel Lea Fox
It started with like one cape and suddenly almost everyone has capes! And only one girl? I think they didn't advertise enough, they could have had a lot of girls with bikinis!
- Rachel Lea Fox
"Add-on Collections In November, we launched Fashion Your Firefox, which was a collection of add-ons that we felt were great for a novice user just getting started with customizing their browser. Now, we’d like to take it a step further and let anyone create their own collection of add-ons that can be shared with their friends, posted on blogs, and featured on the Firefox Add-ons website. Starting today, visitors to the add-ons website will see a brand new look with collections of add-ons front and center. We’ve integrated collections throughout the site, and created a Collection Directory that showcases all of the add-on lists created by our users. There are a number of Mozilla-created collections that are featured throughout the site, but we hope to replace these with useful community-created collections in the near future. If you find a collection you like, logged-in users can mark it as a favorite to easily get back to it later. Creating a collection of your own is as easy as...
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- Susan Beebe
from Bookmarklet
"After weeks of negotiations, I.B.M. withdrew its $7 billion bid for Sun Microsystems on Sunday, one day after Sun’s board balked at a reduced offer, according to three people close to the talks. ... After the legal review, I.B.M. shaved its offer Saturday from $9.55 a share, the offer on the table late last week, to $9.40 a share, said one person familiar with the talks. The offer was presented to Sun’s board on Saturday, and it balked. The Sun board did not reject the offer outright, but wanted certain guarantees that the I.B.M. side considered “onerous,” according to that person."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
By my reckoning, IBM reduced its offer to Sun twice. You can't reduce an offer twice, and retain any credibility as a serious buyer. So IBM will have lost its credibility with Sun's Board - which includes Sun's largest shareholders. That means it's not Sun's management rejecting IBM - it's Sun's shareholders rejecting IBM. Either IBM did this because it didn't really want to do the deal; or IBM is not used to doing deals where it needs to behave in a credible way.
- Simon Brocklehurst
This sounds like what happened with the Apple deal in the '90s.
- Gabe
Simon - that was my thought. This price thing is more indicative of cold feet.
- Hutch Carpenter
Like for relevance. Dislike for content. I think the IBM deal would have been good for Sun, and kept its Java IP in reasonably competent hands. Plus, I hate navigating Sun's web pages; it's sad to say that IBM's are actually better :P
- Joel Webber
Sorry, Joel, but I can't think of any company that was really better off after being acquired by IBM. Rolm? Lotus? Rational? Informix? No on all counts.
- Gabe
@Gabe: Well, maybe you're right about that (I was an intern at Lotus during the IBM acquisition, and people were leaving like rats off a sinking ship). I'm thinking more of what's good for those of us who care what happens to Java. I know most of it's open in one way or another at this point, but it could still use good technical leadership, and I don't really see Sun doing that so much anymore.
- Joel Webber
+1 @Joel. And some of the alternatitives are pretty bad - Imagine Dell owning Sun. Hewlett Packard (or Cisco) have got no idea how to do software.
- Nick Lothian
I like it that IBM and Sun still remain as separate entities.
- Winston Teo
Joel, the problem is that IBM is not technically competent. That IBM people think SWT is a good idea demonstrates they don't even understand the problems, let alone have any ability to figure out high-quality solutions. People tend to confuse IBM's super strong sales and business development capability for it having strong technical ability. IBM's business model is such that the weaker its staff are technically, and the worse its software, the more money it makes. Clever stuff, business-wise.
- Simon Brocklehurst
@Simon - does Sun have alternatives? (Also - it's not like Swing or JavaFX give me huge confidence in Sun sometimes...)
- Nick Lothian
Nick, there's always a "Plan B". In the event of no buyers, Sun can do massive layoffs to return to profitability. If Sun cut enough to have $1B in annual profits, market cap would be higher than IBM's offer, which would provide a better exit for major shareholders. More than possible to do this, given Sun's annual R&D budget is $2B. Re: JavaFX - it's at least modern in concept; SWT is a flawed idea, that was known to be flawed (by everyone except IBM) more than a decade ago.
- Simon Brocklehurst
@Simon - there are other things Sun could do to make a short term return to profits, too eg, try and moneterise Java more aggressively,drop the software business and become a patent troll, etc, etc. I'm not sure any would be good for Java.
- Nick Lothian
@NIck - well, several parts of Sun's software business, including Java, are profitable currently. No need to drop these if they look like staying profitable. The trick is to cut the overhead (under-performing middle managers, sales people that can't sell etc.); and cut the R&D to a size that reflects the size of the business today. I'm not sure growing the top-line in the short-term is realistic in the current economy. A return to profitability, though, should be possible.
- Simon Brocklehurst
when you pull the piece of gum out of the pack it snaps on your fingers like the gum trick.
- rob friedman
from twhirl
@Simon: I really don't want to turn this into an SWT/Swing argument, as I feel like they both suck for various reasons. But I don't think it's fair to say that SWT is proof that IBM lacks technical competence (From my limited experience, IBM's technical competence varies a lot among different groups within the company).
- Joel Webber
With SWT, they wanted to solve a specific problem very well from an end-user's perspective -- i.e. it should feel like a native app, and be fast. And they did so quite well, IMHO, even though it sucks to have to use all those native libraries and platform-specific jars. But the Eclipse UI still feels a lot better to me than IntelliJ, and I think SWT's the reason (obviously this is a matter of opinion, but I know plenty of people who far prefer a SWT UI, so it's at least open to debate).
- Joel Webber
@Joel, you're right - it doesn't prove it; rather I think it illustrates it And clearly, it would be overstating things to say the *whole* of IBM is technically incompetent. However, there are *many*, *many* weak people there. Everyone I meet that has dealt with IBM - customers, collaborators, competitors - has stories to tell; and almost none are positive in terms of technical capability. Conversely, everyone is impressed by its ability to win business and put dollars in the bank.
- Simon Brocklehurst
There's a restaurant here that sells a garden salad for $4.75. If you want chicken on it, that's $3 extra for 3 thin strips of chicken. BUT You can buy a chicken salad (the garden salad with 6 strips of chicken) for $5.50.
- Anika