those are your two words? :) And hey, yo, this actually wasn't what i was referring to as annoying. It was the other ones - like "Pain & Sorrow", "Life", "Friendfeed", "Damn". Crap like that...at least this is a direct request for comments , whereas others are cop-outs (not sure if that is juts a british term)
- Zee.
Tonight I was faced with this scene at a party in Indianapolis for Monster Energy drink and I figure it is a good way to tell if you are a geek. If you first impulse is to ask the girls for help with your Ubuntu install, you are probably a geek. If you start wondering about what cool iPhone apps they use, you are probably a geek. If you want to ask them where the best places to find wifi in Paris are, you are probably a geek. If you want to invite them to a Facebook party you are probably a geek. If you ask them what they think of Android you are probably a geek.
- Robert Scoble
from email
If you know for a fact the girls don't care at all about you and are only there as paid advertisements, AND you still don't care and want to gawk and hang out and get photos with them anyway...you might be a geek.
- Josh Haley
You guys are a bunch of pathetic losers. Robert did you ask them what their astrological sign was? and if you did you are a geek who's desperate :)
- Jeunelle Foster
If you immediately turn to your iPhone and write about it on FriendFeed you are a geek
- Jesse Stay
I'm pretty sure I am still a geek, but there is no way any of those questions come to mind when I see this picture. And I think if those questions come to anyone's mind here, it might be time for geek-rehab.
- Bill Grant
Pogmohin: I talked with them for a while. Nice people but didn't know what Android was so I moved on.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This post is just a cover story for why does Robert have this picture, anyway?
- Jason Wehmhoener
So is "What do you think of Android?" the new Turning test?
- Micah Wittman
thinking you can pick up said girls by telling them you wrote an iphone app and expecting them to get excited about it then you're a geek.
- evablue
Yeah.. I am from FHM mag.. Want to make the big time baby.. Now can the girl at the rear just reach around to the one at the front more...click .. front page Roberts Screen Saver..
- Pogmohoin
The girl at the right said her name was Ashley. Actually she said she was "Smashley." love that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ashley owes me money and I better not run into her or her face would be smashley
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: yup. I picked up on the iPod very quickly at the party. I am hoping Ashley sends me her play list!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Micah -- Me: "No, that's Mandroid. He stayed home. Wasn't cool enough. Android is...(way short explanation)"
- Dennis Jernberg
If you take a picture of three beautiful girls, post it on FF, and your first inclination is to write a caption that includes the words Ubuntu, iphone Apps and Android - OR if you comment on such a post... You are definitely a geek.
- Rob Rose
By the way none of the three had been to Europe so they couldn't help me with good places to get wifi for LeWeb.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
If you help them sign up for Facebook, FriendFeed, and Twitter, you're a geek.
- imabonehead
Well they don't look like they know how to boil rice
- Jeunelle Foster
Been to Europe?? Man did they say the best thing that come out of Europe was "The Final Countdown" from their Daddy's "86 with a Bullet" tape!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Pogmohoin
This scene was the geek's dream while posting this. :)
- Bundit
imabonehead: actually they are already on Facebook. Which says something about how mainstream Facebook has gotten.
- Robert Scoble
All the Facebook friends in my family (except for my brother) are definitely nongeeks.
- Dennis Jernberg
Well I know I'm a geek. When someone like me, who spends a lot of time helping a sexy geek like Marina Orlova of http://hotforwords.com because she speaks geek and is enjoyable to work with. I might even venture to say she's a bit of a computer nerd. When Marina wakes up the first thing she does is check her email. When she gets ready for bed she can be found tweeting before she retires...
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- Captain Jack
Captain Jack: she sounds cool. What apps does she have on her iPhone?
- Robert Scoble
Were they impressed by the size of your lens, Robert?
- Vezquex: God of FF
Raphael: I didn't have that with me tonight. Was going low key. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Robert had taken that shot with is 600mm, he would have had to have been 3 blocks away and you would be able to see the the flecks of color in their eyes :) You are looking at their eyes right?? -- My first thought was well, they can't be geeks as everyone knows true Geeks drink Red Bull not Monster :P Monster isn't all bad, they are big supporters of Surfrider and International Surfing day ----> Surfing Geek
- Luke Kilpatrick
If you're a geek, why are you asking someone else for help with your Ubuntu installation? Shouldn't you figuring that out yourself? Turn in your geek card, now.
- Andy Bakun
Yeah, they'd have to ask you to help with their Ubuntu installation. Except if they don't know what Android is, they probably haven't heard of Ubuntu either.
- Dennis Jernberg
"Well, hello there, sexy ladies! Would you like to come up to my place and read my @scobleizer feed? Hmm?" -bow-chicka-wow-wow-
- Kevin Leroux
wow. I couldn't even make out what was that thing in the BG. I noticed the additional thumb/thigh in front -so that makes me a photo geek??
- jomarhilario
Oh my! Now I'm sure I'm not a geek! Hahaha they are beautiful as hell!
- Rafael
if you find this picture of these attractive women on this page you are probably a geek...even if you don't read every single comment...including this one.
- Lee Sachs
Some of us geeks know what we're doing with women.
- Tyler Hurst
Oh, how gorgeous. You've got to love that Ipod design.
- James Kuypers
I can tell the way the Hottie on da Right is looking at me that she really likes ME a lot!!!
- Billy Warhol
@James I hereby award you the true geek award for your spotting of the iPod in this picture. =P (Special mention to the others who said MP3 player) - Silver iPod Nano I would think.
- Travis Koger
Really lol Scoble maybe u had been having 2 much fun @ the racetrack & geeks does attract some attractive wolla
- polou/indigo_bow
Funny old world three attractive women in a fun pose at a launch party and it creates enormous interest? Funny how things never really change in human habits, geek yep that's me but this article made me smile a lot, keep snapping away Robert.
- Ian Wright
If you are writing a disclaimer on a picture, you took at a party, because you don't want to be locked out of the house by your wife, you are a SMART geek:)
- Maryam Scoble
from iPhone
Heh, love that Maryam commented on this. I miss her and my two buddies. I'm just wondering why TechCrunch doesn't have parties like Monster drinks! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you'll just have to bring a case or two of Monster to your next TC visit and see what happens.... just make sure the cam is on.
- Jay Cuthrell
Jeez, I must not be geekish at all — *my* first thoughts are all carnal.
- Hieronymus Murphy
Only qx...which was your first impulse? I pray for your sake it was to throw down camera & decide where u were going to be in Blonde sandwich. :-)
- Brenda Rothaupt
"Mountain View, CA - In response to Apple pulling the Google Voice application from the iPhone App Store, Google has removed all search results leading to Apple.com from its index. Google is also redirecting searches for "iPhone" and "app store" to the IMDb.com page for Payback."
- Nir Ben Yona
Funny. I kept checking to see if it was The Onion.
- DGentry
"Google is also redirecting searches for "iPhone" and "app store" to the IMDb.com page for Payback." would be a nice sight to see. lol.
- bora "head" basman
...that's how rumors get started. ;)
- JA Castillo
thought this one was really interesting, and had to ask myself what will we learn from pirated clouds? Dark Cloud Computing: http://news.idg.no/cw...
- Mark Essel
They key issue in the cloud dialog is people talk about the movement and the technologies as if they were one. The movement is the concept of simply not running computing in house anymore. Centralized, on demand computing is mature, at scale, and now feature rich. Building in house computing plants will be harder and harder to justify. Part of the what has advanced this movement...
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- lew
She makes me laugh because she counter points my own article calling her and Walt Mossberg wrong for calling the 2010 web "Web 3.0." Lots of good points, except her defense of why she isn't on friendfeed is TOTALLY lame.
- Robert Scoble
Those are relatively sophisticated reasons to laugh. I just liked the Scooby Dumb picture.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
doesn't include twitter or friendfeed in the sharing module
- Michael Metz
Reply with a line by line retort, Robby x
- David Lloyd
2010 web versus web 3.0, so funny :)
- David Lloyd
Scooby Don't. Wow, kinda funny, but it doesn't sound like she fundamentally addressed the points that you made. I checked her Digg profile & her only friend there is Walt Mossberg. And on Twitter, she follows about 55 peeps. Not that she needs more Digg friends or Twitter followers. But what does that say about the depth of her understanding of these communities?
- phil baumann
Twitter share is coming on ATD. And Phil, I thought social networks were supposed to be used the way each person wants to use them and not in the way some dictatorial types decide.
- Kara
I am not on FriendFeed, because I must choose among all I can use and I find I like Twitter and Facebook best. Am trying out other stuff, but those stick. Also, I still find FF a bit more confusing, though I see why people like it.
- Kara
It's lame to pass judgment on which services a person uses. As long as they participate in the conversation, listen, and add value. That would be like criticizing me for not using video. I just suck at it, so I don't.
- Francine Hardaway
Thanks, Francine! But, apparently, some pigs are more social than others.
- Kara
Kara, I also like Twitter and FB best, although sometimes I get involved in a discussion here because they are fun, especially around GG or TWiT
- Francine Hardaway
Kara - I didn't say anything of the sort that you're implying. We all use these services the way we want. What I was questioning was your depth of understanding of these communities. I'm no expert. But: are you?
- phil baumann
Exactly. Like this. But now I gotta go get dinner for the kids, which might not be social, but is MUCH more fun.
- Kara
Didn't we have this argument about a year ago? Or am I having a case of Deja Vu?
- Jesse Stay
You were commenting on how I use social tools. That would be EXACTLY none of your business. It's that kind of know-it-all attitude that keeps regular people from participating. I am not an expert, nor did I ever say I was in the Scooby piece, but you seemed to find out exactly how I use stuff. I don't have any idea how you do, nor do I care. It's your ride around the planet, so knock yourself out.
- Kara
Also, I hope everyone knows that we were having fun with Robert, whom I love as does ATD. He is just the kind of passionate and enthusiastic user of all kinds of Web tools that everyone can appreciate (even if we don't agree on naming of Web eras).
- Kara
I just like that Robert got Kara to comment on FriendFeed ;)
- Jesse Stay
Blabby? first time I've heard the term.
- Carolyn Wood
There is a certain irony that the lovely Kara replied on FF
- David Lloyd
Kara - I was just asking a question. I didn't suggest any amount of knowledge. If I'm upsetting you right now, then I'll stop commenting.
- phil baumann
- nice banter- Kara - I think it worked;-)
- Carolyn Wood
Chris - yes. A healthy dose of sparks.
- phil baumann
Really is a silly argument about Semantics, with the exception of the Friendfeed thing, Rob thinks its a crucial part of the 2010 web, Kara thinks one should be able to choose what sites are important for themselves.
- David Lloyd
Hi Kara: I love you too. If I didn't I wouldn't debate you. I will come back to your other points when we open Building43.
- Robert Scoble
And I think "wronger" isn't a word :-P
- Jesse Stay
Scooby, you are SO terminated when Google becomes self-aware! (Then again, they are gunning for me right now due to my opposition to Yahoogle!)
- Kara
Mark: Kara will figure out why friendfeed is so important soon. Mark Zuckerberg today told me it is interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Wronger is not a word. It is a joke word, though!
- Kara
Kara it's okay - Robert called me an idiot on his blog. It's all love. :)
- Jesse Stay
Kara, I was joking too - I just thought the whole semantics debate was funny so thought I'd join in.
- Jesse Stay
Mark Zuckerberg! Well, if the Prophet of Palo Alto says so, then we all must follow! (actually, he is probably trying to buy it now that the Twitter guys dissed him and his $500M in stock and cash.)
- Kara
where else besides FF can you watch an entertaining debate unfold like this?... nowhere I've found... making my morning here much more enjoyable reading this
- MarkHirsch
Actually, I LIKE wronger. Let's all agree--if Zuck approves, of course--to use it all the time,
- Kara
I think Kara has doubled the number of friendfeed comments in this thread alone. :-) hey Kara wait until you discover the search engine.
- Robert Scoble
Phil: You were not upsetting me! I just think it odd that you report on my social practices. Both Walt and I embrace the whole shebang, unlike a lot of other folks in journalism, and we get dinged for not using each and every tool. Like I said, different strokes for different folks (which actually sounds naughty when you type it out like this)
- Kara
Mark, the 2010 web will be more funnierest
- Jesse Stay
The thing is tho Kara, FF really is a wonderful website, it's like Twitter Plus
- David Lloyd
Oh, hmm, predicitions: Screen ubiquity; explosion of touch, gesture, etc across all devices; social embedded in everything and now just here or on FB; real-time becomes useful; and, just wishful thinking for a decade now, the easy use of Web on TV
- Kara
Robert: Pizza with you and your spawn? My kids are like a pair of Dennis the Menaces. Do you have armor for yours?
- Kara
Kara, my big add to all of that: Open
- Jesse Stay
I know FF is great and, post-D, I will try to use it more. But if I end up liking another tool better, I want NO guff.
- Kara
How bout we call it The Mongooses? The Fighting Mongooses?
- Matthew DeVries
Kara - I understand. I was just coming from the angle you just referenced regarding journalists and it's clear from your interaction here that you're thankfully countries away from some of your peers....Anyhoo, I'd like to see more face-off between you and Robert. I think Robert's on to something and your perspective adds another dimension. You should interview each other. Then we can duke it out on FF again. :)
- phil baumann
I don't think the in person interview would work, Robert would probably be overwhelmed by Kara's personality and just huddle in a corner!
- David Lloyd
First question Kara could ask: "Why do you leave companies after 18 months!" ouch! hehehe
- David Lloyd
But most people in the IT industry could be asked that one!
- John W Lewis
Kara and Robby say hello to Techmeme
- David Lloyd
Insignificant blabble. Don't these people ever do anything meaningful. If you round off the percentage of people who are "involved with social media" the result is 0.
- Gary Sanders
from BuddyFeed
I enjoyed the article, especially this part: "We. Don’t. Use. FriendFeed. Regularly. As I said, we use Twitter, we use Facebook, we use SMS, we use blogging and we use a whole lot more. In fact, between us, we try out pretty much everything." -- would you agree that their list appears to be broadcast oriented and not discussion oriented?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Why on earth would they want to engage in discussion. They're have to give up 50% of the airtime. Neither of them wants to do that. For them engagement *is* broadcast. They talk. People listen (at least in their minds). That's their interpretation of engagement. hehehe
- Ken Camp
My favourite line was "Oh, Scooby-Don’t…"
- Nicholas James
Kara, Like your FF comments better than Twitter..Its more interactive...:)...
- venkat
Hmm, not surprised Zuckerberg finds Friendfeed "interesting" since Facebook "borrowed" several features from it.
- Laura Norvig
Oh, Scoobs likes to get around and I like that in a man.
- Kara
Gary: Social media is important and someday so pervasive we will not be debating it.
- Kara
LPH: No, I think I have a lot of interaction with folks on Twitter. A ton, in fact. It can be just as reactive, etc.
- Kara
Ken: That's a long graph there for a listener and all. But attack us all you like! We love that too.
- Kara
I love responding in Twitter too as it requires I be pithy.
- Kara
I am and will always be a big fan of Robert Scoble and Scooby-Do. Sometimes at the same time.
- Kara
Um, Kara? It was GooHoo. Goo. Hoo. I stand by that.
- Andrew Feinberg
Oh cool Louis Gray just left (we spent the evening playing with our kids). I should blog but have had enough fun for the evening!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what? The two of you together and no pictures on FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
...I like "Scooby" more than "Scobelizer"...it's more warm and fuzzy. Scooby, why don't you go with Shaggy to investigate Web 3.0. Me, Daphne and Velma will hang out with the cool kids at E3, signed Freddie
- .LAG liked that
Jesse: don't we post enough baby photos already? ;-) Maryam made an awesome meal, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert you can never have too many baby photos :)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I took baby photos (and Milan). Want me to post them?
- Louis Gray
Louis, yes, please - do I need to ask? :)
- Jesse Stay
Hey Kara, does your level of activity on this thread mean you might possibly consider participating on FriendFeed more? If so, I'm totally subscribing.
- EricaJoy
Favorite Kara quote: "You must know that mainstream users don’t pay one bit of attention to any and all of the dumb terms Silicon Valley comes up with." Word.
- Aaron D'Souza
Aaron: actually that is very wrong. I hear "Web 2.0" used in mainstream press/media all the time. Which is one reason I hate the name because most people think it is new and not nine years old already.
- Robert Scoble
True Robert, but she said "mainstream users" not "mainstream press/media" :)
- Aaron D'Souza
This is inside baseball. I agree with Kara. The only people who care what you call it are technologists and tech journalists. End users pay absolutely no attention to these labels.
- Kevin Pedraja
And I'd argue that the only reason any mainstream users are familiar with the term(s) is because the mainstream press/media made too big a deal of latching onto useless nomenclature.
- Aaron D'Souza
Agree with this article. Teenagers are about myspace and im's and sms. The college kids are all about facebook and just use twitter as a way to update their facebook status on the road. sms is easier for 1-to-1 comm.
- Gil Francisco III
Agree. Work in a college and Twitter completely baffles young people even though they understand Facebook status updates. I think because Twitter is not
- the houstonmacbro
Never underestimate the power of being spatially adjacent when suplementing the population... and if that's not possible, at least you can survey the herd of FOFs from afar while claiming to be doing a research paper. Twitter says "hey, come wear this muzzle, and I mean really, you like to see pictures of each other?"
- Wade Dorrell
This is a problem for twitter. Young people count and start things
- Laurent Courtines
???? As part of the DMV's effort to develop super-secure driver's licenses and foolproof identification cards, the agency has issued a smile ban, directing customers to adopt a "neutral expression" in their portraits, thereby extinguishing whatever happiness comes with finally hearing one's number called.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
That the government would be opposed to smiling comes as no surprise to me.
- Chuck Baggett
Canada requires a expressionless photo for passports. Have to actually be careful not to mess this up as they will simply tell you to go back out and get another set of photos.
- Brett Cannon
@matt. No it does not. We put it by default to try to increase awarness but there is a preference knob in http://www.feedly.com/home#pr... called postfix in the share section which allows you to turn it off.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Edwin Khodabakchian Cool.. glad to know. It's a bit annoying (seeing these on friendfeed and Google Reader headers). It would be nice if users opted in to this instead.
- Matt Mastracci
I'm liking feedly. How does streamy compare?
- Chris Gambrell
Streamy isn't quite the same. It doesn't seem to sync your google reader like feedly does. But the use of canvas to move columns around, tighter ff twitter integration and IM is cool.
- Tech Introvert
I agree on the Cloud Contacts recommendation. I just had them scan more than 4,000 cards for me and it freaking rocks to have them all in a database. Sorry, nothing beats the ubiquity of business cards. If you're going to use Business Cards, make sure you follow the best practices. I wrote that up here: http://scobleizer.com/2006...
- Robert Scoble
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
@scobleizer: "2) Make sure your card can be scanned. I bought a business card scanner so that I could get my computers into computer form." Heh.
- wyclif
Thanks for leaving your comments, Robert! =) I agree that biz cards are ubiquitous, but they're so... icky? cheesy? wasteful? forgettable? At shows, I usually just wait to meet the really interesting people I actually WANT to follow up with, then I get their Twitter handle, follow them from my mobile, and let the convo go on from their. I guess that method only works b/c I'm particular about who I follow, tho. ;) Hi fives and see you around!
- Jolie O'Dell
I keep seeing tons of different sites popping up online trying to replace business cards. Of course this doesn't work right now since everyone uses one of the 11ty billion different systems. It'll be nice once some format widely accepted pops up for transferring between something like smart phones. Virtual Rolodex with cards sorted by meeting times.
- Dean Clark
Poken is a toy compared to these devices, especially at the open software services level. The best comparison I have heard (mentioned at the jury deliberations when mynameise won the startup event at the NextWeb) was: if poken is myspace then E is linkedin.
- Werner Vogels
@ Werner, Is E technically superior in some way or is it just the casing that you don't like?
- KyleHase
at the hardware level the E devices are indeed much easier to connect based on the specific radio technologies that they use. But what impresses me more is their vision around software/cloud infrastructure that makes sharing of these kinds of information independent of the specific devices.Where this service can evolved and be useful to all of us even if a year from now we have different devices.
- Werner Vogels
Robert, you'll have to admit, mine looks a lot cooler. Which should appeal to you apple design aficionado's Plus I have the choice out of different cards that I can exchange, e.g. business vs leisure.
- Werner Vogels
Just what I need: Another device. The right way to do this is a voice print. Just say your name to your new friend's phone, that's it. Imagine OpenID/FF/FB/Plaxo/Gmail storing your voice print as part of your ID. You plug in, upload the new voice prints of your new friends and then get all the contact info needed. You could also add the words "friend", "business", "Facebook" or whatever...
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- Rebecca Rachmany
I hate business cards and love the suggestions in this conversation. I am checking out BeamMe. Thanks!
- Jill Howard Allen
Thanks for the comments, everyone! We’re glad to see other companies moving into this space; it validates that the problem we’re all trying to solve is a real one and that we can do some real good by addressing it. As you may have seen in our Google Tech Talk, Poken too has a very open philosophy and Poken too envisions a world in which people can share identities regardless of device...
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- Bryan Guido Hassin
This is very helpful on business cards!
- Sheryl Brown
This is from a 15-year-old who is very expert with world of warcraft, has a MySpace page, a Twitter account, a friendfeed account, is very active on Mac Rumors, etc.
- Robert Scoble
He is on more of the Internet than probably 9 out of 10 humans alive and he defines himself to a Google team by not owning a web site. Interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Making websites is time consuming and, in my opinion, not necessary if you simply need a place to publish to the web, talk with friends and get yourself out there.
- Brandon Titus
Renting vs owning in real estate terms?
- Micah Wittman
Alfredo: the unspoken message is that his generation doesn't need a web site. They'll still be a major part of the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Its the same with my younger relatives... They have a far more natural approach to the new media "So do you kids use the Internet regulary?" - "No..... Not that much?" - "So what do you do when you go online" - "facebook, youtube, myspace, for school, for work..." - "how often do you check facebook?" - "hmmm few times A day"
- Andreas Klinger
It took me back to how I found my doctor. She's #1 on Yelp but yet had never been there. The world is changing and it no longer is only about having a website.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: there's some of that in what he was trying to say, yes. His generation wants to be "more with it" than the previous. But I think there's something deeper going on. The 2010 Web isn't about owning a web site anymore.
- Robert Scoble
He'll change his tune when someone with his name does something controversial and it's #1 on Google.
- Mark
Sounds like the teenager asked by Don Tapscott ("Wikinomics") about why she was not using email to communicate with friends. Reply: "Hmm ... email. That would be the sort of thing you'd use to send a thank you letter ... to your friend's ... parents!"
- John W Lewis
Mark: have you checked how fast friendfeed items are showing up on Google lately? I have. You don't need a blog or a web site to be on Google anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I think that domains will become mostly for business and the like while personal profiles will be controlled by social networks, profile sites (Google profiles) etc.
- Brandon Titus
@Robert maybe - or maybe it's about owning an identity you control which may indeed look like a website but function as an identity broker owned by the user
- Chris Saad
Some one still has to create the websites though. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Can I get out of making a website for my teenage son with these arguments?
- Anita Hunt
Chris: translation: own a Facebook profile. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
But does the _you_ own the Facebook profile?
- Micah Wittman
Your son has probably realized that most personal websites are never seen.
- Trine Curtis
I too agree that the new generations do not need a web site. What they need instead is a presence on this Interweb. This can be achieve in many other more effective means than a personal web site; in the traditional sense.
- Vinko
I have more ego than he. I'll be damned if I'm going to let Facebook own me and my profile. meh.
- Karoli
If you want to seed control of the social web to facebook then sure. Or maybe the next generation identity hub will be as distributed and open as a web-server
- Chris Saad
Micah makes a good point about renting vs owning. Also, some people just want communication, others will want permanence (that they own and control). I still suspect that as new generations age they will still want to create more of a legacy on their own domains.
- LogEx
Or does Facebook own it (in the possession is 9/10 of the law sense)
- Micah Wittman
It's the difference between having a web presences and a website... Just because I don't own my home doesn't mean I'm not a citizen.
- Johnny Worthington
Chris: his real identity is on MySpace. That's where his friends hang out and he's asked me not to link to his MySpace profile. Why not? Cause then all "my friends" will show up there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's all about getting the most out of the web. If your own website doesn't do it but a Facebook profile does, then by all means don't do your own website. Marketing still isn't dead though - act on results.
- Jesse Stay
It was never about having a website. It never will be. It will always will be using the right tools to reach the right people. People that you care about and people that care about you.
- Akshay Dodeja
The new generation's presence on the web will be fluid. They will not have one place where they blog, post photos or share their thoughts. It will transform as the technology transform.
- Vinko
Akshay: exactly. That was his message to me. Plus there was a tinge of "that blogging thing is so dead." Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
MySpace, Facebook, these are all nice walled gardens like AOL before them - but eventually the rest of the web will become just as rich and inviting as the walled gardens - and not because Facebook Connect.
- Chris Saad
Facebook Connect is a great proof of concept, but the real solution will be based on open standards just like the web is based on TCP/IP and HTTP
- Chris Saad
Chris: Facebook will be forced to open up. Why? Because Google will show them the money is in search and to do search, even in the real time web, you need to open up.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sounds like there's an opportunity to show him why it could be useful, if not now, perhaps in the future for him.
- Jesse Stay
We'll be ripe for a backlash in a few years, especially if services don't keep moving in the direction of data portability.
- LogEx
Robert: I have tried to many times to start a blog. Failed each and every time. Now I am trying different things and its working in some ways :)
- Akshay Dodeja
Actually it's friendfeed that's going to show them that, but Google will be recognized by most of the world and Google definitely is moving to make sure that they are a player in the real time web.
- Robert Scoble
No Facebook will open up because Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and others are working actively to dilute their lock on the social graph. It's in google's interest to continue to erode Facebooks monopoly so they can continue to index the social web
- Chris Saad
Chris: sorry, that's a side show. The real action is going to happen in search. Or, something associated with filtered display.
- Robert Scoble
The community has an opportunity to work with the 'loosers' and the startups to ensure that we don't crown a new king, but rather to push the web as the ultimate platform
- Chris Saad
Facebook only competes with Google on the private web. Until they offer indexed, public search they will never be able to compete side-by-side with Google. They only offer a subset of what Google provides right now.
- Jesse Stay
Awesome to see this conversation in "real time"
- David Damore
Chris: the REAL money is NOT on the social graph. I can see this so clearly. Very few can, though.
- Robert Scoble
@robert the real money is (imho) not in search but in knowing about the user - search is just yet the best way to know about him/her - facebook could deliever social enhanced adwords to the internet
- Andreas Klinger
I'm not arguing about that - but if Facebook was left unchecked then they could own the new social search and monetizing the user not the page. That's why Google will work hard to erode Facebook's monopoly to ensure they stay in the game
- Chris Saad
Andreas: that's what search looks like in the future.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: true, but Google is NOT going to leave Facebook unchecked. Facebook needs to move much faster than it is, actually.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert the real value is in the stream and being able to index it - which Google can't do with the Facebook feed
- Chris Saad
Users are not monetizeable, by the way. Intent and other "about to consume" gestures are. I want an icecream is monetizeable. Eating an ice cream is not.
- Robert Scoble
Eating chocolate icecream every wed IS
- Chris Saad
It means you like dairy, chocolate and sweets on wed
- Chris Saad
@Robert "i know you could now want an ice cream" is worth even more imho
- Andreas Klinger
Chris: that's an "about to consume" gesture. Agreed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The real value is in being able to index the *entire* web, and knowing each user that is searching that entire web. Facebook isn't anywhere near being able to do that.
- Jesse Stay
Andreas: or, if you are Gary Vaynerchuk you can make me want a merlot-flavored ice cream. That's worth the most. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: Facebook has an index that Google can't get to and it pisses off Google.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Look forward to debating this with u in person tmr at 6pm
- Chris Saad
Isn't the idea of social profiles a search to figure out what a user wants next, now? Like how people visit car websites before buying an automobile?
- David Damore
Robert, Google has many indexes Facebook can't get to as well - Gmail, Orkut, Docs, Apps, many more...
- Jesse Stay
But wait, surely he does have a web site, a blog, etc.? They are his Facebook page!
- John W Lewis
@Jesse which is why Google, Yahoo, Microsoft etc are still in the game - the notion that 'Facebook has won' is just valley hype
- Chris Saad
With the kind of information that Google is tracking isn't Google in the best place to monetize our conversations?
- Vinko
There are 2 things we're talking about here - the "private web" and the "public web". Facebook has one. Google has both.
- Jesse Stay
No we're talking about the document web vs. the Social web :)
- Chris Saad
Chris, Google has both of those as well.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse agreed - Google is still going very strong - and should/will buy FF and Twitter to strengthen their position
- Chris Saad
I dont like facebook, to me its a lot of social drama...
- sergio luna
Jesse: Google's Infos about the Socialgraphs are too fuzzy. Gmail is like my telephone calllist - not my telephone adressbook
- Andreas Klinger
Chris, or, just strengthen one of their existing products to compete. Google Chat stands out to me.
- Jesse Stay
Andreas you should see my Google Voice address book. It wouldn't take much to connect that all together.
- Jesse Stay
@Andreas Google's graphs are super active. Noise for google = pointers to the signal - that's what they do best
- Chris Saad
Short question: am i the only one thinking that Social Widgets (Facebook Apps at external Sites) combined with an Advert System is an most interesting thing to come ?
- Andreas Klinger
@Jesse their best bet is Gmail and Address book integrated with FriendFeed
- Chris Saad
I don't like Facebook either. Now people I thought I'd left behind 20 years ago are finding me again. Yay. But more importantly, someone said ice cream.
- Trine Curtis
Jesse: Yet, in my network, Skype Chat is much more widely used than Google Chat.
- John W Lewis
Chris, agreed - there's a reason Facebook, Twitter, and FriendFeed all let you import your Gmail contacts. They want Google's private web.
- Jesse Stay
@Andreas No you're not - If Facebook owns the social graph/stream then they will try to own the widgets and ad units - that's why the rest of the web needs to provide a viable alternative so that there is no new monopoly.
- Chris Saad
I think that Google will strengthen it's social system by bringing in contact finding through the social graph from services like FriendFeed, Twitter, and maybe Facebook and clearing out the noise. Their contact manager or whatever will be strengthened once they have a real Google Chat, Google Voice, and Gmail working together.
- Brandon Titus
I love coming over to FriendFeed to always see an amazingly active thread going on in the Scobleverse!!
- Jason Pollock
in my network microsoft msn is the leader...neither skype or google chat are as strong
- sergio luna
John, I'm talking about strength of the social graph in each one. Skype doesn't hold a finger to Google's contacts.
- Jesse Stay
Sergio, agreed - Microsoft also has a very big potential to compete. I'd say they're more a threat to Google than Facebook right now in this area.
- Jesse Stay
All of these platforms have their advantages - the point is they are all social services and should inter operate for the benefit of the user - and benefit the bottom line of the companies that make it happen
- Chris Saad
(Meta-point: this conversation IS the live web in action, but how does it scale? What happens to the quality of conversation if the rate of commenting on this topic exceeds my reading speed?)
- John W Lewis
Then again, in the competition for people, once you're indexing every person with web access, you also have access to their lives, websites, and personal data. That's much more powerful than an anonymous index of every website on the planet. Facebook could have a chance.
- Jesse Stay
This conversation is a byproduct of the the live web - but it's not much more than an indexable chatroom. The status updates and feeds that generate this conversation are the real interesting part
- Chris Saad
@Jesse that's Facebook's play - and that's why Google and others are working to dilute the monopoly (a monopoly of mindshare at least) - that's why the community at large has an opportunity to support an open approach
- Chris Saad
During times of change, we have an opportunity to ensure the outcome is open - open means innovation can surge ahead at the nodes instead of being controlled by a central authority
- Chris Saad
Chris, at the same time indexing each individual rather than website could be more advantageous in the end. Google's not doing that quite as well as Facebook. That's not to say they won't, and they're definitely making progress at the moment. Google doesn't necessarily publish what they're tracking about you. Facebook does, via the live stream when you log in - which is more open per se?
- Jesse Stay
For an interesting look at the cross-section of marketing / customer behaviour (mostly off-line, but the web is part of the story) and obsession, check out this documentary on contesters ("professional" contest participants) - just saw it on a plane ride http://www.cbc.ca/doczone... [Interestingly, when I searched for this documentary, I found the guy who pitched the...
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- Micah Wittman
Jesse by this argument is google "publically tracking for you that you publish your webpage"
- Andreas Klinger
Jesse, its just different type of technology you use - Stream.put or Ftp.put
- Andreas Klinger
History will repeat! I started with email on CompuServe and did not communicate with others on other services, then discovered "internet mail". As with hardware, software, email and now social media, the architecture of vertical silos will gradually transform into horizontal layers ... from below! Only then does the "network effect" really start!
- John W Lewis
Andreas, do you know everything Google has tracked about you? What about all the Analytics tracking on each website you visit combined with data they've learned about you elsewhere? With Google, there's no way to opt-out without just killing your internet connection. At least with Facebook, it's opt-in. Google, IMO, has the potential to be much more evil than Facebook. That is, unless Facebook enters the open web arena.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, this tracking is not public on facebook neither
- Andreas Klinger
Jesse, true Google is big enough to pass the last frontier point of relationship to reality
- Andreas Klinger
Andreas, I know almost everything Facebook is tracking on me because they at least publish most of it via my stream. True, I don't know everything, but I know a lot. Not only that but they give me controls on what they can do with what they're tracking. I can't do that with Google.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the stream info is your active part not your passive part
- Andreas Klinger
Jesse anyway i think we are talking about the same :)
- Andreas Klinger
Ok gotta go for a slow-real-life Meeting - cya!
- Andreas Klinger
I really think its not about who will conquer what i.e. google, facebook, etc... I really believe all this players are the basics, like the old economic scheme, I think we are going to evolve and use all this sites & technology in a very diverse and sophisticated form, kind of like what the brand Starbucks is to the old industry of coffee. google, facebook etc. are the industrial plants of our new digital era.
- sergio luna
Andreas, agreed, but I can still opt in to Facebook. I can't opt-in or opt-out of Google completely. I'm just saying it's not all about "open" like Google would like you to think. That's just their Marketing play, and we're all falling for it.
- Jesse Stay
Are we forgetting something? Facebook, Google, ... ARE websites. It is just about the level at which we engage. I do not need to build my own car to drive on the road; I can buy one, it is cheaper. But if I buy a Lamborghini or Porsche, I can still interact (inc. collide!) with you in your Mercedes! (For the public record, I drive an Audi.) Robert recently posted about geek disconnect, these guys are making the web consummable.
- John W Lewis
So we've finally found the one person in the world who doesn't want to friend you on FB!
- Rebecca Rachmany
From the mouths of babes... or 15year olds. At least we can count on things constantly changing just a little faster than many can adapt to.
- Mark Essel
Makes me feel better for not updating my website anymore - I'm not behind, I'm ahead :D
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
"I don't have a web site" indeed. My kids were not interested in learning how to create websites. "We have blogs on our cell phones." Well, then...
- Rick Cogley
your son's approach doesn't sound as absurd as it might seem at first. look at skittles, who dropped their website and transfered everything to twitter! and i was just thinking the other day about an ngo-website i'm involved in and why not moving it completely over to a facebook page.
- Johannan Edelman
Wouldn't FF be a better business tool? With it's superior grouping abilities, threading of conversations, media embedding, and ability to drop official business feeds into the business based rooms?
- Matthew DeVries
I mean, I'm just a simple office guy, and know nothing of tech, but that's just where my mind takes me.
- Matthew DeVries
FF would be better, if it had the same reach.
- Joel Bennett
Twitter works well for one way communication, advertising for example, but meaningful conversations? Not so much. FriendFeed will never "kill" Twitter nor will the reverse be true. I think it'll come down to attention span. FF users tend tend to dwell on the site while Twitter user filter things out of the tweetstream.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Speaking persuasively is WAY different than blathering on and on about yourself and your products. EQUIP people. That's what guy did back in 1983 when he promoted the first Mac.
- Chris Brogan
I have a similiar issues as dbriere that commented over on the blog. We write some slick HR type software on the intranet for a government organization. I can't do anything to show you a demo or screenshots. Ever. In those cases you need to do some shameless self-promotion.
- Patrick Allmond
Now you went and made him mad. He was trying to tell you about his new thing and now you made him mad!
- Christopher Harley
I don't think it's possible to make Akiva mad...Although you can lock his sarcasmotron at eleventy-two.
- Alex Scoble
But when you can get better results using Google, what does that say?
- Tanath
That your expectations are different than mine?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'd suggest that W|A is more of a direct competitor to Wikipedia.
- Akiva Moskovitz
OK, then if my expectations consist of finding useful, up-to-date, or timely information, then what does that say about your expectations? :P
- Tanath
Besides, the purpose of W|A is completely different from Google, now that I think about it. W|A : data :: Google : websites.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Google is not just about websites. It does much more.
- Tanath
Well, I found plenty of useful and up-to-date information. In fact, I've spent the majority of this morning digging up all kinds neat data.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Tanath, really, I'm not sure what your argument is here. I'm saying that it's a different tool from Google and thus it doesn't need to compete with it. I find W|A to be far more useful with certain tasks and Google to be far more useful with others. Neither is a killer of the other. You might as well say that Google is a calc.exe killer because Google can do simple mathematics. Two...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
One other thing, directly from W|A's site: Is Wolfram|Alpha a search engine? No. It's a computational knowledge engine: it generates output by doing computations from its own internal knowledge base, instead of searching the web and returning links.
- Akiva Moskovitz
THANK YOU AKIVA. I stumbled across this post and it prompted me to finally look at WolframAlpha. I kept hearing about it on here. It's incredimazing. Seriously. The enter a food and get the nutritional information feature made me swoon. Thanks SO much! UPDATE: Crap. Now it just called me Dave and said it couldn't do that :( It's still awesome, though. REUPDATE, 5 mins. later. It's back...
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- Kamilah Gill
Open up two separate Twitter searches on the terms "google" and "starbucks", then come back to the tabs after 10 minutes - there'll be ten times as many new updates for Google.
- James
I love that the Twitter handles are posted for these brands as well.
- Jill Howard Allen
While I agree in general with the points you list, there will always be content, of various kinds, that I want to own in a format that I can do with as I please, when I please, and where I please... commercial-free, proper aspect ratio and presentation (books and movies especially), and highest available definition. Restricted downloads and streaming is fine for disposable content, as long as the price is right. But subscriptions and DRM'd content also have significant liabilities.
- LogEx
Without a doubt, as we speak I am staring at a dresser stacked full of dvds. Most of which I'll only watch one time. Streaming is much more efficient and even environmentally friendly than collecting physical media copies. I would say that the same discussion extends over into magazines and newspapers too. Would love to hear your thoughts on that. Thanks
- Benin Brown
I'm doing my best to severely limit my purchase of meatspace media. I'm actually kind of creeped out a little now by paper books and, especially, DVDs. I'm not completely against' books and other media primarily because they aren't all COMPLETELY obsolete yet, but we are on the verge of complete obsolescence of physical media fetishes.
- Internet's Tad
I think this also holds true for maintaining one's own library of music files, so I actually consider iTunes dated in that sense. The future belongs to streaming audio, perhaps with elaborate caching so that it works without an internet connection. That's the only future use I see for local storage for personal computers, as "cache", as "working memory". The cloud is the new hard disk.
- Meryn Stol
Physical media is archaic, but the issue of conserving things for the long term isnt, and physical media really helps there.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
All my music is on iTunes. I'm not a big movie person and the only DVDs I have are from friends that insist I have them. Still having a tough time giving up books & magazines and haven't gone over to Kindle. Oddly, I really don't want to own books, I just haven't taken to other forms of media for these things. Meryn, I like your comment about the cloud being the new hard disk.
- Jill Howard Allen
there is a cultural divide. people still like to own their music and rent their video. the younger generation will be more hip to borrowing from the cloud.
- Richard Zeidel
from twhirl
For me anyway the age factor doesn't matter I'm 32 and I'd rather just "borrow from the cloud" as it were. Physical media is just something else my kids can break.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
The younger generation is <20. At 32 you grew up shopping in CD/DVD stores for media. You are accustomed to physical distribution. <20 will likely never have engaged with the physical; nor would they know what to do with it -
- Richard Zeidel
Strangely enough the rare times I go in a music/film/games shop (once or twice a year when i miss a train), most of the people in it are <20 They have time to hang out, we don't
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
As the early tech gadget adopter my friends always ask me why i havent got blu-ray and that they want it. I tell them i get HD streamed to me via the web and blu-ray will be dead in 3 years
- andy brudtkuhl
especially when Boxee comes preloaded on TV's
- andy brudtkuhl
I generally prefer having my media in digital format. But every so often an artist puts together an "album" that deserves my keeping it on disk. Now, I know this sort of accomplishment is unusual these days, and maybe I pine too much for someone to match or surpass Moody Blues', Pink Floyd's or The Beatles' mastery of that element of the art form, but I feel obliged to hope. Some albums...
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- Bob Finch
i would make Twitter spit out a random Zen koan on page load.
- Karim
I don't see the issue with the current question. For certain users, it's still applicable. They should perhaps consider adding a second question though, with answers to each aggregated into separate streams. That way, you know what you're getting.
- TheLovableRogue
"What are you thinking?" is being push by @jayrosen from NYU. He has dubbed it "mindcasting".
- Meryn Stol
Over on friendfeed the question is "what would you like to talk about?"
- Robert Scoble
"<-- put shit in here" or better yet, remove the text and don't replace it with anything!
- alphaxion
I talk about pills or solutions to people's challenges. Fill a need. Ask "How can I help?"
- Shane Gibson
Thinking about it though, is the question even that relevant? People will continue to write about whatever they want regardless of how the question is phrased.
- TheLovableRogue
"what can you share that is valuable to your community right now?"
- Jason Peck
I like Robert's response. Rather than simply talking about "I'm brushing my teeth", it should be about "what would you like to talk about?". It's all about conversation.
- Kenneth
Why is it all about conversation? My mom likes my status updates.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
What are you thinking? seems to be the obvious one.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
The keyword is share. It needs be something like 'What would you like to share?' Ideally, though, I think Twitter should randomize 5-10 different questions (share/say/discuss/something about photos, etc), or run them sequentially each time the user logs in, so they get the full idea of what you can do on the service. And one of them should still be 'What are you doing?', as not every tweet can be a Pulitzer prize-winner.
- Shéa Bennett
twitter is different things for different users..I dont think we need guidelines for it.
- Samuel Lewis
from twhirl
Daniel - I personally think it should be about conversation because I think that it would be great to have more dialog rather than one-sided conversation. Your mom may like that your status updates but that's for Facebook, not for Twitter.
- Kenneth
For proper conversation we need one-click access to threaded tweets. I blogged about this essential feature, and some others I'd like to see, earlier today. http://twittercism.com/five-fe...
- Shéa Bennett
what's wrong w. someone using Twitter to say what they are doing? I mean I see where you are coming from that if everyone always did this type of tweet it would get old really reaaally quick-LOL. but don't you think the democracy, if you will, of being able to say whatever u want-in 140 char. is what makes Twitter so beautiful?
- Benin Brown
from fftogo
Yes, there's always a place for the inane, and of course the definition of what that means is a very relative observation. Believe me, lots of folk think tech is inane. *Lots*. :)
- Shéa Bennett
"What's on your mind?". It fits if you are posting a link or trying to have a conversation. *edit* of course, since I haven't used facebook on anything other than my blackberry in a long time, I completely forgot that was what they asked. oops :)
- Matt Thompson
from fftogo
'What have you done for others' might be cool?
- Nicholas Chase
Cracked up on Shéamus saying inane is very relative... you know my family???
- Jim Espinoza
I just commented on this earlier today: "Instead of answering Twitter's 'What are you doing?', you should answer 'What am I good at?'"
- Erik K Veland
What about not asking a question, but instead put an instruction - 'Post Your Update Here'? I've had dozens of folks new to Twitter tell me that the reason it took them so long to send their first tweet, was because they weren't clear on how to do it.
- Sharon McPherson
I think the question, although it may be an initial prompt for tweeps, becomes quickly ignored for other tweets. The earliest study on Twitter (a Master's thesis at the London School of Economics and Political Science in late 2007) indicated that less than half the tweets were actually answering that over-arching question. Here is the link to the thesis, if you are interested. http://www.lse.ac.uk/collect...
- enza (aka iVenus)
Some amazing stuff here! Thanks for your thoughts everyone!
- Brian Solis
Let's answer questions that force us to think about the updates we wish to galvanize action, response, connections, learning, et al, such as "what inspires you," "what did you learn today," “who should we pay attention to and why,” "what are we better off for knowing now because we follow you," etc. We need to stop tweeting "at" followers and start listening to the things that help us...
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- Brian Solis
Brian, I think that you have some great Ideas there about the Social Web, but getting folks to realize it's a privilege is going to be a tough one to get across. They don't even grasp that concept with Drivers License in California, and you have many, many police folk and a much over used court system reinforcing that idea on a regular basis.
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
"I think it is often easier to make progress on mega-ambitious dreams. I know that sounds completely nuts. But, since no one else is crazy enough to do it, you have little competition. There are so few people this crazy that I feel like I know them all by first name. They all travel as if they are pack dogs and stick to each other like glue. The best people want to work the big challenges. That is what happened with Google. Our mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful. How can that not get you excited? But we almost didn't start Google because my co-founder Sergey and I were too worried about dropping out of our Ph.D. program. You are probably on the right track if you feel like a sidewalk worm during a rainstorm! ... What is the one sentence summary of how you change the world? Always work hard on something uncomfortably exciting!"
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Priceless closing quote from Larry: "Just like me, your families brought you here, and you brought them here. Please keep them close and remember: they are what really matters in life."
- Victor Panlilio
That was a surprisingly emotional speech! I like and greatly admire Larry and have spoken with him a few times inside and outside of meetings, but have never seen that side of him before :).
- Adam Lasnik
The sound comes back at "my brother". On Youtube, all video uploaders can "replace audio track", so I guess that Google will use that feature as soon as they find an audio recording and make sure that it is trimmed correctly so it will play in synch.
- Charbax
interesting. I decided to give FF a 2nd try (I signed up for it when it first came out) not because of the celebrity flood to twitter but I wanted a place for *discussion* that wasn't limited to 140 characters.
- Violet Mae Lim
I still rarely use FF compared to Twitter as I'm often using Twitter from a device. That said, I love how my digital life aggregates into a single place, along with everyone else. The key will be search. Tracking "popular" on search topics on FF should be very interesting.
- Geoff Wilson
it's all about the meta data. Twitter will never be as valuable as FriendFeed for that very reason.
- Steffan Antonas
The "cool kids" might be moving, but I doubt that the cool kids can make FriendFeed a success (that is, compared to Twitter. a network as diverse as Twitter). Twitter was the first in its kind. Many people consider it "good enough".
- Meryn Stol
Because you aren't cool anymore and the REALLY cool kids (re celebrities) are on Twitter.
- Laurent Courtines
Agree. FriendFeed is significantly more useful for sharing real information. No comparison.
- Hamilton Wallace
Twitter on Oprah was the best thing for FriendFeed. An eureka moment as she jumped into the Twitter stream...
- zeroinfluencer
I've been on FriendFeed since March 2008 and I love it!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Twitter and FriendFeed are not the same. Although the cool kids are already here ;)
- Nicholas James
The REALLY cool kids have identi.ca accounts and use it to talk about coding rather than congratulating each other over their new media gasbaggery. Just sayin'.
- Tom Morris
friendfeed has way better noise reduction filters than twitter atm
- Phil Smirnov
I dont know about cool kids, or I dont care if I am one, but I just did it!
- Lakshman Prasad
Steve must be prescient - I think it was last summer when he kept saying FriendFeed was actually more useful than Twitter, which is why I have both!
- Joan Vinall-Cox
michelle, of course you are. you have a pug. :)
- Karoli
It always comes down to Pugs, doesn't it. Good thing we know the truth.
- michelle lamar
It's basically impossible to converse with any manner of context on Twitter. It's maybe a one- or two-blurt attention span. Perfect for those with ADD. I like FF much better.
- Rick Cogley
And, I have a Golden Retriever, so I have no need for a pug. (they're cute, though!)
- Rick Cogley