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"The Not-So-Hidden Politics of Class Online" - http://www.danah.org/papers...
"It wasn't just anyone who left MySpace to go to Facebook. In fact, if we want to get to the crux of what unfolded, we might as well face an uncomfortable reality... What happened was modern day "white flight." Whites were more likely to leave or choose Facebook. The educated were more likely to leave or choose Facebook. Those from wealthier backgrounds were more likely to leave or choose Facebook. Those from the suburbs were more likely to leave or choose Facebook. Those who deserted MySpace did so by "choice" but their decision to do so was wrapped up in their connections to others, in their belief that a more peaceful, quiet, less-public space would be more idyllic." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
"Kat (14, Mass.): I'm not really into racism, but I think that MySpace now is more like ghetto or whatever, and Facebook is all... not all the people that have Facebook are mature, but its supposed to be like oh we're more mature. … MySpace is just old." - Jim Norris
"Melanie (15, Kansas): Facebook is way better. MySpace is just boring, and it’s still lame because you can still make the background like you’re a little kid on Xanga, and Facebook is more like adultness." - I'm totally with Melanie. Adultness rocks. ;) - Soup
I haven't read the talk, but I wonder if whiteness and wealth are significant after controlling for education. If not, there's a simple reason for the phenomenon: Faceook started out with educational networks. There's nothing sinister or racist about the phenomenon (beyond the crystallized racism of the system in which poor and minority people find it more difficult to get an education). In that case the framing as "white flight" seems misleading and unhelpful. - Ruchira S. Datta
That was my first thought too Ruchira, but the article is specifically about people who DID have MySpace and then joined Facebook while leaving behind their former web spaces. I think the author is wondering why MySpace didn't gain in popularity as early adaptors entered college. It's very tentative I agree. - Soup
My prediction is that Facebook will experience a brain-drain and the smart people will flock to Friendfeed. :) - April Buchheit via iPhone
So "poking" people is consistent with being adult? I never joined myspace or facebook, and don't plan on it. I agree with April. Friendfeed is the place to be for some serious discussion (and some fun stuff too). - Robert Felty
I also think it is interesting to note that technology will neither save nor destroy the world. Many people seem to think that the internet breeds paedophiles, while the audience for this talk seems to think that the internet will eradicate class distinctions. For the most part, technology tends to just make things faster or more convenient. Those interested in Britney Spears can get... more... - Robert Felty
++ April! - Felicia Yue
April, does that mean it hasn't happened yet? I was so proud... :) - Jérôme Flipo
FriendFeed real-time search. We have it. It's here. - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Great work, Jim and team. - Louis Gray
I concur! It's like magic. - Frankie Warren
I sense a disturbance in the valuation of the ff. - Hayes Haugen
Nice work, Jim!! - Anne Bouey
I read the blog post on my iPhone. And the results were updating. Made it even more awesome. Great job. - Jonathan Terleski
Jesus plus nothing: Undercover among America's secret theocrats, By Jeffrey Sharlet (Harper's Magazine) - http://www.harpers.org/archive...
Jesus plus nothing: Undercover among America's secret theocrats, By Jeffrey Sharlet (Harper's Magazine)
"“The Cedars has a heart for the poor,” they like to say. By “poor” they mean not the thousands of literal poor living barely a mile away but rather the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom: the senators, generals, and prime ministers who coast to the end of Twenty-fourth Street in Arlington in black limousines and town cars and hulking S.U.V.'s to meet one another, to meet Jesus, to pay homage to the god of The Cedars. There they forge “relationships” beyond the din of vox populi (the Family's leaders consider democracy a manifestation of ungodly pride) and “throw away religion” in favor of the truths of the Family. Declaring God's covenant with the Jews broken, the group's core members call themselves “the new chosen.”" - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
Let’s Call the Whole Thing Off - The Atlantic (July/August 2009) - http://www.theatlantic.com/doc...
Let’s Call the Whole Thing Off - The Atlantic (July/August 2009)
"I am a 47-year-old woman whose commitment to monogamy, at the very end, came unglued. This turn of events was a surprise. I don’t generally even enjoy men; I had an entirely manageable life and planned to go to my grave taking with me, as I do most nights to my bed, a glass of merlot and a good book. Cataclysmically changed, I disclosed everything. We cried, we rent our hair, we bewailed the fate of our children. And yet at the end of the day—literally during a five o’clock counseling appointment, as the golden late-afternoon sunlight spilled over the wall of Balinese masks—when given the final choice by our longtime family therapist, who stands in as our shaman, mother, or priest, I realized … no." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
Here's the problem :) "My domestic evenings have typically revolved around five o’clock mac and cheese under bright lighting and then a slow melt into dishes and SpongeBob … because yet another of my marital failings was that I was never able to commit to a nanny. Even though my husband and I both drew full-time incomes, I, as a writer, worked at home and hence was ambivalent, because... more... - Paul Buchheit
It's also amusing to me that neurotransmitters have now replaced astrological signs as the psudeo-scientific personality types (page 4). - Paul Buchheit
paul, what exactly is lazy, undisciplined attachment parenting and what's the alternative? - к2פ
"The harm comes, Cherlin argues, from parents continually coupling with new partners, so that the children are forced to bond, or compete for attention, with ever-new actors. These are the youngsters who are likely to suffer, according to a measurable matrix of factors such as truancy, disobedience in school, and teen pregnancy. Instead of preaching marriage, Cherlin says, we should... more... - Clare Dibble
Marriage is for the kids. Stay married, have affairs. - isaac
k2g, I was referring to the no nanny and "secretly worried that using domestic help was exploitative—recall Barbara Ehrenreich’s dictum that she’d never let another woman scrub her toilets" part -- that old-timey feminism is crazy. Having your kids sleep with your is also a mistake though, in my opinion. - Paul Buchheit
makes sense! thx for explaining :) - к2פ
What's wrong with having your kids sleep with you? I think that's what families have been doing for many millenia before people were able to afford separate beds for children. - Gabe
I remember thinking when I learned of Ehrenreich's dictum that it didn't make sense at all--it was just a privileged woman coming up with an excuse to judge other women negatively. She's neither in the position of a woman needing household help, nor in the position of a woman *honestly* needing a job (not posing as one, as Ehrenreich did for _nickel and dimed_) who may be perfectly... more... - Ruchira S. Datta
I wonder what Ehrenreich intends to do if she develops knee and back problems and physically cannot scrub toilets. - Ruchira S. Datta
Gabe, it's not "wrong" -- I just think it's a mistake. It's nice to have some space from the kids, and in practice I think they get better at dealing on their own if there isn't a parent there to give attention every time they fuss a bit. I also found it very difficult to sleep as deeply if I knew there was a baby there, because I kept worrying that it might be getting smothered, etc. - Paul Buchheit
Kim Rosen is fantastic! the article content is not nice! - Geer
Ruchira, I agree with you. - Anne Bouey
@Paul it's like when people toss out the word "quantum mechanics" heh - Rudolf Olah
The evolutionary origin of depression: Mild and bitter | The Economist - http://www.economist.com/science...
The evolutionary origin of depression: Mild and bitter | The Economist
"Dr Nesse’s hypothesis is that, as pain stops you doing damaging physical things, so low mood stops you doing damaging mental ones—in particular, pursuing unreachable goals. Pursuing such goals is a waste of energy and resources. Therefore, he argues, there is likely to be an evolved mechanism that identifies certain goals as unattainable and inhibits their pursuit—and he believes that low mood is at least part of that mechanism." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
More interestingly, they hypothesize that persistence and ambitious goals are bad for you: "Dr Nesse believes that persistence is a reason for the exceptional level of clinical depression in America—the country that has the highest depression rate in the world. “Persistence is part of the American way of life,” he says. “People here are often driven to pursue overly ambitious goals, which then can lead to depression.”" - ana
I think the issue isn't that persistence isn't bad for you, it's that persistence plus unrealistic goals are bad for you. I mean, this is the country where anyone can be president, so if you're not, what's wrong with you? And it's also the country where in the eyes of a sizable minority, one ought to fall in love and get married, to one and only one person of the opposite sex, without... more... - Daniel Dulitz
Excuse me while I try to figure out how did we get from persistence and ambitious goals to living with a sexual partner (whatever that is). - ana
What would drive people to pursue ambitious goals so persistently that they would become depressed? Why don't they stop? Perhaps people are driven by enormously powerful ideals (like the American Dream) that they try to conform themselves to. One such ideal is that you should decide irrevocably to live with someone every day for the rest of your life without having a good idea what that... more... - Daniel Dulitz
Being a mixed-heritage perpetual-immigrant non-American person, I fail to fully feel the strength of standard societal ideals/standards/expectations. Lucky me? - ana
Maybe. Honestly, I think these powerful shared(?) ideals are among America's great strengths/resources, and have inspired many to do truly great things that they wouldn't have otherwise attempted, as well as being sources of vast misery. If you have personal ideals/standards/expectations that you respect yet that do not control you, then, yes, I think you are lucky not to have felt the power of the social ones. - Daniel Dulitz
"But the new study also found a remarkable corollary: those women who could disengage from the unattainable proved less likely to suffer more serious depression in the long run." - Clare Dibble
Rating attractiveness: Study finds consensus among men, not women | Science Blog - http://www.scienceblog.com/cms...
""Men agree a lot more about who they find attractive and unattractive than women agree about who they find attractive and unattractive," says Wood, assistant professor of psychology. "This study shows we can quantify the extent to which men agree about which women are attractive and vice versa."" - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
I find I disagree a lot with other men about who they find attractive. - Ⓙⓘⓜ
Me too. I think men are encouraged to be boring and narrow in their tastes. I know I was teased mercilessly -- truly awfully nastily -- as an adolescent with a wider sense of who was attractive. - Daniel Dulitz
Wider in what way? - Jim Norris
"Women who are trying to impress men are likely to be found much more attractive if they meet certain physical standards, and much less if they don't." <---???? LOL! - Mona Nomura
Jim: Not high-cheekboned, long-necked, thin, blond, blue-eyed, white women with intact hymens. - Daniel Dulitz
Was there any correlation between any of those traits and your feelings of attraction? What did attract you? - Jim Norris
No correlation that I could tell -- remember my sample size in South Dakota was not large. What attracted me was ideosycratic, except for "thin" and "women," since alternative choices there were dealt with ruthlessly, even by the "emotional law of the jungle" standards that seemed to prevail there. - Daniel Dulitz
Is this really a surprise? - Clare Dibble
Hitler Subtitler gets a cheap font CD - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Hitler Subtitler gets a cheap font CD
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Hahaha - Steve C
"Everbody who has used Zaph Chancery ALL CAPS for a headline, please leave now" - Steve C
Haha! I just shared this to Colin. - Anne Bouey
hahahahaha - Jessie
Alas, a blog » The Male Privilege Checklist - http://www.amptoons.com/blog...
"The first big privilege which whites, males, people in upper economic classes, the able bodied, the straight (I think one or two of those will cover most of us) can work to alleviate is the privilege to be oblivious to privilege." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
I didn't even get through the first ten. - Mona Nomura
I was aware of most of the workplace related items, but really unaware of quite a few of the later items. I'm going to have to roll this around in my head for a while. - Marty
Marty - don't bother...it'll just make you feel bad for being you. - Mona Nomura
That's fair, but it's pretty important to me to be aware of how others are treated in situations similar to mine. This helps with that, as do discussions like Anna's sexism thread yesterday. In short: If I'm aware of my own privilege, how can I be aware of other's troubles? - Marty
Oops, I meant if I'm *not* aware… - Marty
I hear you and commend your decision but don't get too hung up on and or hold yourself back from things that you cannot control. :) As long as you are aware you need to be aware, you are (most likely) more empathetic than the norm...which is way more than I can say about the general public. Though just because life "isn't fair" for some, it doesn't mean it has to be unfair for you, too. ;) - Mona Nomura
The Bobblespeak Translations: Obama Press Conference - June 23, 2009 - http://moonshinepatriot.blogspot.com/2009...
"Q: what took you so long to express your meaningless outrage about an election in a far-off country where we have a history of illegal interference? Obama: because I'm not a total dumbass and didn't want to give the Iranian government ammunition! Q: that's Reagan's job Obama: exactly!" I literally laughed out loud at that one. - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
Ha! - Anika Malone
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It's not very belt-like. Then again "Bible blob" sounds a bit insulting. - Soup
Hmmm, every time I've ever heard reference to the Bible Belt, it hasn't been the southeast, it's been the upper midwest. - Shawn Kirsch
But the Southern Baptists are from the south... right? - Andrew C
United States Embarrassment Zone? - mike
Just eyeballing it... doesn't that zone overlap "true barbeque" pretty well? =) - Andrew C
I got a chuckle from "(not to be mistaken as an epidemic)". - April Russo
Agreed, April, that's pretty damned funny. I've always referred to Atlanta (where I live) as being "the buckle of the bible belt". - Joel Webber
You can see the “bible belt” in Regional Interest on http://www.google.com/insight... (also use the drop-down to compare to “grits”) - Amit Patel
Tapes Reveal Nixon’s View of Abortion - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
Tapes Reveal Nixon’s View of Abortion - NYTimes.com
"Nixon worried that greater access to abortions would foster “permissiveness,” and said that “it breaks the family.” But he also saw a need for abortion in some cases, such as interracial pregnancies. “There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white,” he told an aide, before adding: “Or a rape.”" - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
What a special, special man - Soup
Ah, yes. Always class with that man. - Jennifer Dittrich
Clearly, access to abortion is only necessary in case of physical deformity or inconvenience. Racial profiling is completely inappropriate. - Alex Scrivener
"Or two gays." - Kevin Fox
Reagan approved of the Saturday Night Massacre. I am shocked. (no, of course not really.) - Andrew C
lol Kevin - Karim
Morbo: Morbo will now introduce tonight's candidates... PUNY HUMAN NUMBER ONE, PUNY HUMAN NUMBER TWO, and Morbo's good friend, Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon's Head: Hello Morbo, how's the family? Morbo: Belligerent and numerous. Richard Nixon's Head: Good man. Nixon's pro-war and pro-family. - bob
Bob++ for Futurama quote. - Andrew C
Obsidian Wings: "What The Hell Do I Know!" - http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidia...
"Iranian propaganda film from last year, featuring claymation John McCain and George Soros sitting in the White House, plotting the overthrow of Iran. And who knew that Toby Ziegler from the West Wing worked for Iranian intelligence?" - Jim Norris
RNC | 2009 OBAMA DOMESTIC AGENDA SURVEY - http://web.campaignsolutions.com/rnc...
RNC | 2009 OBAMA DOMESTIC AGENDA SURVEY
"4. Everyone's Survey answers will be tabulated. Those who donate may see Survey results in real time following their contribution." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
Reader’s Digest Moves Right of Middle-America - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
Reader’s Digest Moves Right of Middle-America - NYTimes.com
"For 87 years, Reader’s Digest, that monthly breadbasket of condensed articles, can-do tales and grandmother-approved jokes, has aimed squarely at Middle America. Now it is aiming a little more to the right.… “It’s traditional, conservative values: I love my family, I love my community, I love my church,” said Mary Berner, the president and chief executive of Reader’s Digest Association." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
teh suck - j1m
Think about it this way - how many high school or college kids read Reader's Digest? (zero). Is this a business that will do well into the future? On the other side - How many high school or college kids use Facebook, want an iPhone, etc.? The country is changing. - Kevin Carey
I read my mom's Reader's Digests while I was growing up, mostly for the joke collections and somewhat outrageous stories. I didn't pick up on any political slant at the time, but in retrospect it had a very "family-safe" and "pro-America" vibe, along with outrageous stories about what was wrong with parts of the world. Mainly I remember that there wasn't any real debate or competing... more... - Jim Norris
"“They are brands that may not be considered cool by the often elitist and self-absorbed standards of New York media,” she (president Mary Berner) said. She had taken a car from Manhattan that morning, and wore a pink wool shirt-dress, patent leather Manolo Blahnik heels, and diamond hoop earrings." - Jessie
@Kevin, Reader's Digest has never been for a particularly young audience. They market largely to retirees/seniors, so they're not really concerned about what teenagers or 20 somethings want. Given we're entering in a period of the largest population ever of seniors and retirees I suspect the Digest will be just fine for many years. Personally I think the magazine has always been... more... - Soup
Aren't the boomers less conservative than their parents were at the same age? One would think the 60's had left *some* residue. I guess I see most of it, living in Berkeley, home of the aging hippies... - Ruchira S. Datta
Further to the Right? The Readers Digest was founded as a mouthpiece espousing the anti-communist, McCarthyia Conservative values of its founders the Wallaces. - Thaths
@Ruchira, Some are but certainly not all. We hear a lot about the hippies but they were a relatively small section of society. They're the extreme left of the time remember, no extreme is ever the majority (not even if they're supposedly silent!). I suspect you do see more of it than others. Berkeley, like Santa Cruz or Boston, has a bit of a leftist bubble around it. - Soup
Nathan Bedford Forrest Has Beautiful Eyes - Ta-Nehisi Coates - http://ta-nehisicoates.theatla...
Nathan Bedford Forrest Has Beautiful Eyes - Ta-Nehisi Coates
"As I've said, I finished McPherson's Battle Cry Of Freedom today. It deserves its own post, but I want to focus on one aspect the book handles particularly well--the South's psychological need to turn defeat into nobility. I don't mean defeat in the war, so much as I meanlagging behind the North, economically, and due to slavery, lagging behind virtually the entire world, morally." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
"At the end of his book, McPherson has a section where the Confederacy, now desperate, considers raising regiments of black slaves to fight for them. For years, now, they've seen black soldiers--many of them their own ex-slaves--actively contributing to the South's demise. But faced with the prospect of doing the same, Lee and Davis are ensnared by the very lies that they've, until now,... more... - Jessie
YouTube - Jackson Browne - Late for the Sky - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
YouTube - Jackson Browne - Late for the Sky
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What is this? - Anne Bouey
YouTube - Jackson Browne - These Days - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
YouTube - Jackson Browne - These Days
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YouTube - Janis Joplin - Summertime (Live Gröna Lund 1969) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
YouTube - Janis Joplin - Summertime (Live Gröna Lund 1969)
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YouTube - Jackson Browne For A Dancer - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
YouTube - Jackson Browne For A Dancer
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"In the end there is one dance you'll do alone" - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
the macarena? - Steve C
Electric slide. - Mona Nomura
The hustle. - Steve C
YouTube - Jackson Browne - Late For The Sky - Live - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
YouTube - Jackson Browne - Late For The Sky - Live
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White male seeking sexy Asian women | Salon Books - http://www.salon.com/books...
White male seeking sexy Asian women | Salon Books
"The subject is squirm-inducing, whether you are a Chinese man with a humiliated heart or a Western woman feeling obscurely spurned or, for that matter, even if you're a Western man enthralled, as Bernstein himself seems to be, by the image of the quintessential Asian nymph, with her "long silky hair, smooth nut-brown skin, and a perfume of orange and spice on her breath" -- and feeling kinda defensive about it. To write about the penchant of certain Western men for Asian women is to invite prurient speculation (Bernstein has a Chinese wife, in case you're wondering -- and you know you were) as well as incendiary condemnations from several fronts and on several grounds. The topic is mined with tripwires attached to a host of uncomfortable thoughts about race, power, sexuality, gender and history." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
Don't get me started. - l0ckergn0me
They should outlaw it. In fact, seeking sexy people in general is super offensive to those non-sexy among us. ;) - Cristo the Troll™
-squirm- - к2פ
Couldn't you just "love" anyone cause they are the best compliment to you? Why does race/color national origin or anything else matter today? Love is deaf dumb blind stupid and lives in a gutter, it has no idea or concept of race/color/religion. My 2 cents, don't understand the hoopla. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Race has always mattered, just as wealth has always mattered. Go all the way back to Jane Austen, and you'll read, "It's just as easy to love a rich man as it is to love a poor one." Similarly, it's just as easy to love a member of the dominant race... - Piaw Na
Love may know no boundaries, but it is still affected by our shared history, and that history includes the twin scourges of imperialism and patriarchy. So some relationships are always going to need a bit more analysis. - John
Dan Morrill, without meaning to sound too sanctimonious or jerky... it's a lot easier to not have to worry about race, color, or national origin when one's a member of the majority group. - Andrew C
@Andrew - yes I do see your point on that one, but I have spent a life being color blind, everyone to their ability. I kinda like that philosphy, which is why I live it. Change can always happen, one person at a time. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
I find that quote odd in that it doesn't mention at all that the subject might be uncomfortable for the Asian woman in question as well. And I'm not so sure the reverse would really be free from controversy, although maybe it wouldn't be as dramatic in the present day. Still, it was only a couple of generations ago that it was completely outlawed for people of my ancestry to marry white women in the U.S., and while times change, history lingers. - Victor Ganata
Dan Morrill, it's very easy to be color-blind when you're a member of the majority (or the higher status) race. I was color-blind when growing up in Singapore too. :-) Guess what, that doesn't mean anything when you're stereotyped automagically because of your race. How would you like to have one of your TA evaluations read: "Surprisingly enough, <you> was an Asian and not a nerd"? - Piaw Na
Here's David Anthony Durham on racism in fantasy literature (the application to this question is left as an exercise for the reader): "...I’m quite confident that if readers think about it for a while – or remember to think about it as they read in the future – it won’t be long before they’ll come across numerous examples of white-only fantasy worlds, or white-mainly future worlds, or... more... - Piaw Na
Why do we care about other people's choices? Personally, I don't date "the White male"(s) but don't we have other cultural anthropological issues to worry about? - Mona Nomura
Mona, because most people are nosy bastards who don't know how to mind their own business :) Right or wrong, this has not been an infrequent topic of conversation among my friends who are Asian, irregardless of the matter the level of discomfort achieved. - Victor Ganata
I went through a phase of only having Asian friends (this was in California) and this was a very hot topic within our group. A lot of people actually looked down on Asian females who dated Caucasian males -- and I admit, I was one of them, until I grew-up. Sadly, there are many people who still judge and care but I noticed this type of judging happens more often in areas with a high Asian population. i.e. Vancouver, California. - Mona Nomura
The couples that I've gotten to know have genuine, long-term relationships. But, right or wrong, me and my friends just can't help but wonder about white guys who only date Asian women. - Victor Ganata
Do they wonder about Asian women who only date white guys? :-) - Piaw Na
Maybe it's just me - no one ever accused me of having the pulse of Vancouver - but it seems like the usual Asian-American (Asian-Canadian) neuroses about dating in/out of one's community have subsided over the last 10-20 years. - Andrew C
Piaw - we'd only wonder about Asian women who exclusively date white guys. Wait, wonder is the wrong word choice, judge is more like it. As an Asian female, I've experienced all sorts of white men interested in Asian females -- being Japanese makes the ignorance factor escalate. Some of the questions people ask me, oh man. - Mona Nomura
lol. Ditto what Chris said. I'm on the wagon. I get my 6 month chip in a few days. :-) - Mark Davidson via BuddyFeed
Piaw, I actually haven't met an Asian woman who only dates white guys, to the exclusion of all others. I guess I need to expand my horizons. Andrew, I definitely don't have the pulse of the entire state, but, to me, the neurosis seems alive and well in California. Mona, I think wonder really is the term in my case. I can't judge if I don't know, and I won't know if I don't ask, and I've... more... - Victor Ganata
Victor, I knew plenty of Asian women who only dated white guys. I had 2 Chinese women who were my house-mates in college. One day, I came home and they were all mad about this article in the college newspaper about White guys/Asian women. I was too polite to mention that they only dated white guys as far as I could tell, so I couldn't tell why they were mad, since as far as they were concerned it was pretty accurate reporting. :) - Piaw Na
BTW, the biggest issue isn't one of race but rather culture and differences in perception. If I were to write an ebook on the subject, I would call it, "What color is your traffic signal?" I also think it's a mistake to lump all Asians under the same umbrella. It's a big continent with a lot of different peoples, languages, and customs. - Mark Davidson via BuddyFeed
Do you wonder about guys who only date blondes, or petite girls, or tall girls with long legs? - Cristo the Troll™
No, but that's probably only because it's never come up as a topic of conversation among my friends, and I haven't run into people who actually do that. But now that you mention it, I guess I will wonder. What would drive someone to pursue a single trait to the exclusion of all other variations? - Victor Ganata
I know that when I was dating, I would only date people who spoke at least a few words of english. - Cristo the Troll™
I can understand superficiality, but that's more like monomania, if you're going after a single trait and eschewing other variations. - Victor Ganata
There's a lot of asians in the world. I'm guessing there's a lot of variation. Anyway, people do this in other aspects of their lives, I'm not sure why I'd expect dating to be different. (e.g. car type/brands/colors, computers, etc). Haven't you ever heard a guy or girl say, "Oh he's my type." or "No, she's not my type."? - Cristo the Troll™
"who spoke at least a few words of english." Cristo, are you just playing devil's advocate? Limiting one's 'type' to people of a specific race is a lot different from wanting to be able to communicate with them. - Andrew C
Oh. I was more commenting on people who only went for blondes, petite girls, or tall girls with really long legs. I don't know, whenever people have talked about their "type" to me, they usually can't just explain it to me in one sentence, is all. The narrower someone's criteria is, the more it makes me wonder. - Victor Ganata
Andrew, it was a joke. :) - Cristo the Troll™
To put it bluntly, it makes me wonder if someone sees another person as an actual person, or simply as an object that possess the trait that they're obsessed with. This is one of the differences I see between dating and purchasing consumer goods. - Victor Ganata
Victor, I would argue that you don't really know the person until you've spent a good amount of time with them, so whatever initially attracts you is irrelevant. - Cristo the Troll™
To each their own. It won't make me stop wondering, though. - Victor Ganata
I too have a sense of wonder, but it's more along the lines of why we waste so much time on friendfeed. :) - Cristo the Troll™
And, I still think there's a huge difference between approaching someone as a person, and as an object. - Victor Ganata
I find this thread way interesting. - Derrick
Victor, now it sounds like you're being judgmental. Objectifying people is generally considered a negative thing by society. Maybe there should be laws against actually knowing the race or any other physical characteristics of someone before you decide to date them. Everything could be done through computers, monitored by the Federal Anti-Objectification Administration so that no taboo information is transferred between the parties before they officially date. - Cristo the Troll™
Come on, Chris. We all know people are generally judgmental. It's not like I'm imposing my judgments on other people. But I reserve the right to make them. You're very free not to like it. - Victor Ganata
There's certainly times I've been out and have been eyeballed and sized up by (non-black) guys with the look of lust and, "Ooh, there's a BIG BLACK GUY. I should go over and holler at that BIG BLACK GUY. I'm sure he's nice, but I wonder if that they say about BIG BLACK GUYS is true..." in their eyes. It's one thing to find a trait, race, or something attractive about people, but something else to objectify and reduce them to only that. - Derrick
Derrick, I think you're looking for the fantasy thread. I saw it a couple pages back. ;) - Cristo the Troll™
I don't really care about being objectified i.e. geisha / kimono comments, or being stereo typed for that matter i.e. do you eat sushi everyday? since it saves the hassle of filtering. :) ps: Chris White's comments here are GOLD. - Mona Nomura
Mona, geisha/kimono comments? How exactly do those get woven into normal conversation? :) - Cristo the Troll™
So uh... where's the story about girls crushing for Asian guys? On a serious note: Two cousins of mine, sisters, are married to Caucasians. It ain't no big thing. I'm glad my family are pretty open-minded. - Arlan Koizumi
I find Asian woman preferable Chinese and Japanese to be really cute and attractive. I think it's because I like the culture and know little to nothing about it. May sound offensive but I'm being honest here. - Shawn aka ringking
Chris, you would be QUITE surprised. I should write a book LOL. Shawn, it's not offensive at all. (to me) - Mona Nomura
1) There are lots of girls crushing on Asian guys, but most of them are Asian girls, 2) I have several friends that are married couples where the guy is Asian and the girl is Caucasian. - Cristo the Troll™
Cristo: I've only met 2 couples where the guy is Asian and the girl is Caucasian. I've met so many the other way that I didn't even consider counting. - Piaw Na
Piaw, according to this thread, races don't exist anyway, so there's no issue to discuss: http://friendfeed.com/cristob... - Cristo the Troll™
Well, I can't wait until the KKK and the Neo-Nazis get the memo! - Victor Ganata
Victor, race is easier for them to understand. Gotta keep it really basic and simple for 'em. Otherwise they get confused and don't know who to hate. Mucks up the whole program. - Mark Davidson via BuddyFeed
Mona, what color is the traffic light for "go"? Blue or green? I had to learn the hard way that different people have different base perceptions of simple things. These perceptions extend well beyond traffic lights and lead to unintentional errors in decoding verbal messages. Add to that differences between cultures in decoding non-verbal messages and... Damn. Dating a Japanese woman and can be really tough. And who started this whole Asian women are submissive myth? - Mark Davidson via BuddyFeed
Mark, I'm pretty sure Asian women started the submissive myth as a way to lure unsuspecting men into their kimono. - Cristo the Troll™
The stuff that motivates people to commit sex acts is probably a reptilian brain thing, so don't try to apply logic to it. And Cristo, what a cutely reductive comment you made there. I'm sorry I even participated in your thread now. - Richard Walker
Richard, sorry that you're not a fan of sarcasm. For the record, I know a lot of Asian women and none of them are submissive, and I'm still trying to figure out how someone works kimono into a normal conversation surrounding dating. - Cristo the Troll™
Cristo, you might have something there. I think "submissive" is Japanese for "You work 70 hours a week and I run the household, don't question my authority cuz I wear the daisho 'round here." - Mark Davidson via BuddyFeed
Mark? That is sooooooo 90s *rolls eyes* ;) - Mona Nomura
Mona - For me it was 1991-1995 to be exact. :-) - Mark Davidson via BuddyFeed
http://www.hyphenmagazine.com/blog... - only got pointed to this link now, which analyzes and addresses the review more than the book. (For example, it gets into the point Victor first raised - how come there's four groups discussed here in this book and both the book and review _leave out the Asian woman's perspective_ ? ) Edit: I see this thread has exhausted its bumpability. Ah well. - Andrew C
Economic Scene - How the U.S. Surplus Became a Deficit - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
Economic Scene - How the U.S. Surplus Became a Deficit - NYTimes.com
"There are two basic truths about the enormous deficits that the federal government will run in the coming years. The first is that President Obama’s agenda, ambitious as it may be, is responsible for only a sliver of the deficits, despite what many of his Republican critics are saying. The second is that Mr. Obama does not have a realistic plan for eliminating the deficit, despite what his advisers have suggested." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
Is it just me, or does the NYT's preview image of the graph (shown here) substantially misrepresent the full graph? - Andrew C
Agree with Andrew on the graph preview being wonky. - Steve C
Seems to me that the plan for both the US and California is to cross fingers and hope that a stunning boom follows which fills the govt coffers with revenue. :) It's unclear to me whether slicing $1 trillion in government spending in a recession won't make things a lot worse. If you buy into the counter-cyclical argument of government fiscal policy, it should actually cut spending and raise taxes in good times, and lower taxes, and increase spending in bad times. - Ray Cromwell
"You can think of that roughly $2 trillion swing as coming from four broad categories: the business cycle, President George W. Bush’s policies, policies from the Bush years that are scheduled to expire but that Mr. Obama has chosen to extend, and new policies proposed by Mr. Obama." - Mike Reynolds
Bush's tax cuts are scheduled to expire in 2010-11. There has been no change by the Obama administration regarding this. - Cristo the Troll™
@Ray: The counter-cyclical approach makes sense to me. Seems like the whole point of the government intervening in markets at all is to cut off the peaks and troughs a bit. But of course, spending lots when times are good, and lots *more* when times are bad probably isn't quite the same :) - Joel Webber
Obama’s Economic Circle Keeps Tensions Simmering - http://www.nytimes.com/2009... - http://www.nytimes.com/imagepa...
Obama’s Economic Circle Keeps Tensions Simmering - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/us/politics/08team.html?pagewanted=all
Well at least it's not a phalanx of yes men. - AJ Kohn
Goolsbee was on Colbert last night (or the night before). - Mike Reynolds
The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy - http://www.amazon.com/dp...
The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy
US CODE: Title 1,6. Limitation of term “products of American fisheries” - http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode...
US CODE: Title 1,6. Limitation of term “products of American fisheries”
"Wherever, in the statutes of the United States or in the rulings, regulations, or interpretations of various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States there appears or may appear the term “products of American fisheries” said term shall not include fresh or frozen fish fillets, fresh or frozen fish steaks, or fresh or frozen slices of fish substantially free of bone (including any of the foregoing divided into sections), produced in a foreign country or its territorial waters, in whole or in part with the use of the labor of persons who are not residents of the United States." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
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Obama’s Iran Policy to Focus on Human Rights, Not Election - http://washingtonindependent.com/46957...
Obama’s Iran Policy to Focus on Human Rights, Not Election
Obama’s Iran Policy to Focus on Human Rights, Not Election
"As reports of political violence in Iran intensified after Friday’s fiercely disputed election, the Obama administration insisted that it would not interfere with the struggle for power between regime-backed President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the thousands of demonstrators who contend the election was stolen. Administration officials, on and off the record, said that President Obama would offer support for human rights in Iran generally and would not back away from his diplomatic outreach to the longtime U.S. adversary, regardless of the ultimate outcome of the election." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
"The stance began to attract criticism on Sunday, with some politicians arguing that the U.S. needed to come out firmly on the side of protesters…. But the administration’s position has the support of Iranian human rights groups, which fear the clerical regime will exploit any perception of U.S. interference to slander the opposition as American puppets — a caustic charge in a nation with a deep memory of U.S. interference in its politics." - Jim Norris
(via Jay Rosen) - Jim Norris
Shame on Yale Law School for betraying its principles - http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion...
Shame on Yale Law School for betraying its principles
An old opinion piece by Gerald Walpin, recently fired from his position as inspector general of the Corporation for National And Community Service. - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
What, no editorializing, Jim? - ⓞnor
Meh, you know what opinions are like. - Jim Norris
Judge Sotomayor, a mythic 'Hispanic' - Los Angeles Times - http://www.latimes.com/news...
"The supposedly racial term was pushed by Nixon to lump distinct Spanish-speaking groups into one voting bloc. There's no such thing, and the judge should be appointed on her merits." - Jim Norris via Bookmarklet
YouTube - Sex With Ducks: the Music Video by Garfunkel and Oates - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
YouTube - Sex With Ducks: the Music Video by Garfunkel and Oates
Play
What happened to the first one? - Paul Buchheit
I un-DMed you. - Jim Norris
One of them is Kate "Oates" Micucci. I can't help but read her last name like "my coochie". - Gabe
wow, such meanness, naivete and bad singing in one video! I'll pass on sharing it with our gay married friends...although those girls looked darned happy in the bathtub together... - pamela
pamela, I'm pretty sure it's a joke. - Paul Buchheit
I think so too, but it just ain't funny with so many people so unhappy these days. My pals all seized the moment and got hitched when it was legal. I WARNED them, but they wouldn't listen... - pamela
pamela's right. Don't they know we're at war? In the middle of a recession? They should know not to be having fun in public in times like this. - Gabe
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