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I'm pleased to announce that when the Gillmor Gang returns this Thursday at 1PM Pacific, it will be sponsored by Rackspace and streamed live on Building43's new RealTime Network channel. We'll be doing some testing between now and then. First up is my conversation with FriendFeed-->Facebook's Paul Buchheit. MG Siegler's summary is here:...
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http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Steve Gillmor
Sweetness!
- Stephen Pickering
Steve thank you for doing this! The world is a very dull place without the gang!
- Michael Pinto
Great to see The Gillmor Gang returning to the Interwebs! :) Will the episodes be available as audio and/or video podcasts for later downloading? Just in case I miss the live show...
- Daniel Chow
Will the Gillmor Gang be available as a mp3 download via podcast feed?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
PS Remember what we learned from Jason: Make it a point to tweet a thank you to @Rackspace
- Michael Pinto
:) Thanks, Michael. Rackspace is very pleased to help bring Gillmor Gang back to the 'tubes!
- Rob La Gesse
Rack 'em up. It's game on!
- Micah Wittman
Heck, yeah!
- Scott Greiff
Hope to see it available for download.
- Dan Cameron
Yay, I am so glad to that GG is back!! Wooo hoooo!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Glad the show is coming back and nice job on storming the castle for the Buchheit interview.
- Mark Krynsky
Looking forward to it...
- Wayne Sutton
yay!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
wonderful; and thanks rackspace
- w grant
GG Wikipedia page updated. :)
- Alex Harden
Glad to see this who back on the air
- Fred Grott
Since Steve never seems to respond to download questions can someone be sure to record it and torrent it or such, I've never understood the whole "real time is the new black if you're not here to catch the show live tough shit" unspoken message that seems to have been going on for awhile. I can't be the only one put off by this, the content is compelling, so I put up with it, I wish I had the willpower to not listen out of protest. :)
- Michael Breslin
i agree. or put it on the bootleg feed
- Sebastian Keil
from email
Could you record the video of the show and post it on your Youtube account?
- Charbax
Michael, I have responded. The shows will be published on YouTube and made available for download.
- Steve Gillmor
SCREW YOU Scoble...SCREW YOU!!!
- zxspectrum
Good to know Steve, I've seen the question asked so many times and never answered, I must have missed the time you did answer, my mistake, bottom line: I think the GG is the best thing on my ipod and when I can't get it on there and can't catch the show due to work it sucks. :)
- Michael Breslin
I commend Steve for his dogged pursuit of the Real time Web aka Infinity Chip, though it is brutally painful at times to follow and/or be part of every step along the way. I too vote for a nice simple "old school" rss feed for the audio only recording. Then again, I am probably missing the point.
- Jason Adams
Jason: only that the Gang is returning on video. Today I listened to a video cast of Meet the Press in the car, worked beautifully, and when I wanted to see the last few minutes of Kennedy footage, rewound and watched. Whether it is delivered by RSS or streaming is up to the user. In fact, it was easier to download directly via iPhone iTunes than synching the phone to the RSS feed on the Mac. Interestingly, it continues to download in the background while I go through email.
- Steve Gillmor
Was that Meet the Press video cast live? The issue of video versus audio is moot for me, if I don't feel like watching I don't have to, it's the time shifted aspect that people are always asking for Steve. It seems you're commited to get the show in downloadable form and that's all I was ever asking for. That the show is now in video format is great for many, I generally listen to the majority of content I consume (even if its format is video). Thanks again, can't wait for today's GG!
- Michael Breslin
@JimCahill unfortunately my "spinning your wheels in chaos" presentation idea wasn't accepted. Looking forward to your insight.
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@JimCahill I'm still waiting on my Google Voice invitation. I'm really curious to see how this thing works.
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Major iPhone advantage vs. Blackberry: The Internet is MUCH easier to use on the iPhone. Everybody knows this by now. No news here.
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American Chemistry Council economists: The economic free fall is over, and the end of the recession is within sight. - http://pubs.acs.org/cen...
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"Expect the U.S. economy to have hit bottom in the second quarter and then move into positive territory in the second half of the year, write T. Kevin Swift, chief economist, and Martha G. Moore, senior economic consultant, in ACC’s midyear outlook. And although a weak first half still means that U.S. chemical production will fall 8.1% this year compared with 2008, Swift and Moore are predicting a 1.6% rise in 2010 and a 2.2% increase in 2011."
- Mike Boudreaux
from Bookmarklet
I am going to invest some time in using Friendfeed as a front-end for managing my social network flow. It's tools are way underrated.
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ding ding ding
- andy brudtkuhl
I sense a blog post coming on...
- Brian Watkins
still needs better notifications ... I don't want to give FF my full attention to stay connected to the flow
- Jonathan Greene
Sounds intriguing, would be good to know how, exactly
- Bob
Details please.
- Mark Krynsky
Welcome, Steve.
- Louis Gray
:)
- Nicholas James
It takes a little figuring out to get the gazintas and gazoutas aligned to eliminate dupes, but once it's set up properly it's pretty cool.
- Alan Chamberlain
I've just added FriendFeed as my RSS reader and in the process of ditching Google Reader. If FF supported Hellotxt/Ping.fm then it would be wipe out those Chrome tabs. Then if it allowed us to bulk import our Twitter (non-FF) friends then it would be my Twitter client. Gosh, if it was a "wave" it would be my email client. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol, FF is actually becoming kind of an email client for me, and for the small part of my "pals" who joined a private goup of mine on friendfeed. "Direct message" functionnality is cool for that reason : if he's around, he'll be notified. If he's not, he'll receive a regular email. I guess some not-so-far-from-now day, the term "mail" will be deprecated, and we'll talk about "messages", or, better "flows", "streams"... "Did you get my stream?"...
- Zackatoustra
Agree. I'm relatively new to social media but find FriendFeed offers me the most value, so that's where I find myself focusing. Must be something here. I'd be very interested to hear your analysis of FF after a while.
- Hamilton Wallace
Zackatoustra, if only I could get all my friends onto FF or FF allowed for non-FFers to use my FF email (koltregaskes@friendfeed.com) to email me. Or perhaps I could set up a forwarding rule that posts everything to me to go to the ff.com address, hmmm.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ah yes, forward an email to your ff.com address only gives you the subject name and no content apart from perhaps your signature that was added after the forward. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol - I too would like to use my FF email. Right now I auto forward some email to a private group (secret email). The subject is the FF title and body (text only) is added as a comment. When manually forwarding, I noticed the same behavior that you did.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
I love using FF as my main "Social App", but I found it difficult to replace Google Reader.
- Shawn Hickman
Shawn, in what way?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kevin, so you are auto-forwarding them? I'll try it in Gmail.
- Kol Tregaskes
I felt like I was missing too many stories. In Google Reader I can easily see what I read and what I didn't. If you have any suggestions, I would love to hear them because I love FF
- Shawn Hickman
interested to know exactly what this looks like for you Steve. Would make a good blog post.
- Thomas Hawk
Kol - yep, I set up a filter in Gmail to auto forward.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
You've discovered The Secret - good to see you
- Jesse Stay
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Shawn, no good points. I tend to make the last one by liking it, that way when I check the groups again I can see where I go to before.
- Kol Tregaskes
Here's a tip, why not forward to new FF subscribers and invites to your DM? Just set it up now and will see if it works (all you need is the link to the user's page).
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I've tried the solution you suggests(forwarding mails) , but that doesn't work : the "non-FFers" receive an annoying message each time their mail is fwed to FF : "Hello, Your email message to FriendFeed (included below) was sent from an unauthorized email address (<non-FFer>@gmail.com) and requires approval. Please click on the link below to approve or reject this message. http://friendfeed.com/approve....
- Zackatoustra
Zackatoustra, I never said it worked, I said I wish it did. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
It would be a great feature but of course it will open FF up to spam email.
- Kol Tregaskes
Couldn't agree more w Steve. Moving back in that direction again too
- Charlie Anzman
What about Google Wave and FriendFeed integration? (Assuming Wave arrives soon)
- Tyson Key
Is anyone aware of a primer on this topic? I am not a FF power user
- Bob
Bob, not to toot my own horn, but you might like this article I wrote: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I am going to start using more of the things it has to offer, its a matter of getting into the habit of using regularly I suppose
- fmclean
respectful "duh"
- Josh Haley
I just started doing this a couple of weeks ago and so far so good. Definitely agree its tools are underrated.
- Mike Elliott
I wish Friendfeed had much more powerful features and tools for managing large research collections -- but it seems to be focusing on the conversational aspects of social media on its current development path.
- Sean McBride
converted blog embeds into ff embed. they load faster
- Noah David Simon
Social Media Equity - So, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about what the heck I’m even doing with social... http://aaron.erinandaaron.com/post...
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P3Twitter - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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A guy sending tweets via brainwaves.
- Aaron Crews
@karaswisher's interview style makes me smile. Take no f-ing prisoners http://kara.allthingsd.com/2009041... with @ev and @biz
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The Power Of Community In Marketing - Forbes.com - http://www.forbes.com/2009...
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TechCrunch just broke the embargo. WOW. The new UI rocks.
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An hour ahead of time. They broke it an hour ahead of time? Traffic whoring, IMO.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
So is this one of those secret "TechCrunch gets to run an hour early" two-tier embargos or what?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Who knows but I love the new UI. Ready to use it now!
- Nation Hahn
So it begins. Not really liking the UI at first glance. Must watch the video.
- Brandon Titus
Daniel: they broke embargo. Grrr.
- Robert Scoble
TechCrunch breaks embargoes all the time. What else is new? Just shows a lack of respect IMO.
- Andru Edwards
eh
- CW™
It is really great
- Alp
wtf? Not cool, TechCrunch, not cool.
- Josh Haley
Yeah companies need to stop inviting them. They don't play nice with anyone.Can't follow rules means you stop being invited to the party.
- CW™
The new UI looks significantly cleaner on first glance. @Robert Scoble - how are you going to keep up with everyone now? Haha.
- Nation Hahn
Was Leena at the event or did Arrington attend the party and then hand the chore of reviewing it off?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Light gray comments still? Oh well, I guess the Cleaner FriendFeed greasemonkey script stays.
- Paul Reynolds
Mind you, Arrington never said anything about USING it, which is what I'm intsted in. All the eyecandy in the world dosen't mean its a good experiance. Slightly miffed that they broke embargo, tho.
- Roberto Bonini
That was a low act, TC. A really low act.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Ok, now raise your hand if you didn't immediately run and read the TC article. I read it, so I guess I'll stop grousing now.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Twitter 2012 - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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What I want from Twitter of the future. Has some good ideas for friendfeed's founders to ponder too. Would love to hear your ideas!
- Robert Scoble
I would also like a grouping thing in twitter, so you can group your friends instead of unfollowing people you don't want to get tweets from all the time. With groups I can choose which followers I want to get tweets from. Maybe internal and external groups? Like, your own groups or public groups. Public groups could be hashtags, if you know what I mean. If you follow a public groups you get tweets from all those people in that group who use that exact hashtag.
- Qbat
Larsen: we already have grouping in friendfeed. Just get your friends to put their tweets into here. Have you also tried TweetDeck's grouping? Or PeopleBrowsr's?
- Robert Scoble
I dont like tweetdeck because of the memory use, but I'll check out PeopleBrowser.. thanx
- Qbat
Larsen: Peoplebrowsr video and links are here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Here's why i still believe in Frindfeed - today's media geeks are tomorrow's average people. I would love to see more knowledge management tools, so that i can arrange people i discover by knowledge they can provide me with. To me, that's the biggest future value of social media - finally change the way we educate and get educated, to something less ridiculous and more time- and cost-effective than a highschool or a college or a big book. Perhaps it's too general and flat, but, oh well..
- Kirill Bolgarov
Standardized tags + an interface like twitterkeys that u could access them at. A way to download a days twitters like u can do with individual user tweets with twitterbook so if you've missed sthg you can catch up. RT from a users profile page. Upload vids. Button for music within interface instead of going to Blip etc. No automatic DMs.
- noxhanti
Larsen: there is a cool feature on Friendfeed - imaginary friend. It'd be cool, btw, to have an option to import all or select twitter connections as imaginary friends, just like it's usually done with gmail contacts.
- Kirill Bolgarov
dynamic cloud tag (getting tags of tweets) of too much shared tweets for last 24 hours.. so people who are familiar with tag clouds can reach whats important things going on worldwide (or country based, and also particular area based -you can draw a circle in a map as you mentioned-)
- toLga aRıcan
1. I would love to be able to give myself a tag or to tag even other Twitterers. Then I could group and search them by this tag. I think this is what WeFollow is going to be. - 2. I second your wish to have geo-data on single tweets. - 3. add all these changes into the Twitter search query "language"
- Richard Metzler
I would love to be able to tag people as well, or have a way I can add some sort of note to myself about that person, so I can remember who everyone is and how I know them, or why they are worth following (I frequently get social amnesia)
- April Russo (app103)
Tweetvisor lets you tag people/add people to groups. Pretty useful if they don't go an lose their backups of your groups. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
love it Robert superb vision of 2012 geotweets.
- Thomas Power
I like the idea of Twitter saving more metadata transparent to the user (like cell-tower location) or images (using MMS). What I really hope they do is add a second text box for a url. Then we can rid our precious 140 characters of nasty shortened urls. The hyperlink is of no use to most SMS users anyways, and it could even give them an option to ignore tweets w/ links.
- Daniel Sims
This is an excellent post. I think as Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed executives may start to look over their shoulder so to speak and see on each of these services that they are to some extent competitive in terms of attention time, and adopt (such as Facebook is trying to do already) some of the features of the other platforms. So we may see a convergence of features evolving among these three services towards each other or evolving towards common platform state.
- Bill Romanos
The power of "celebrities" to bring traffic, and users, to a platform and who can't figure out how to do even the simplest things on the platform (tags? likes? too hard for celebrities!) is getting old. This meme of "if celebrities can't find the time to or can't figure it out, non-celebrities won't either" doesn't make much sense. In Social Networking, users, not celebrities, make the...
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- Andy Bakun
Richard & April: -Those features are available in PeopleBrowsr
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Daniel: There could be a whole protocol to a secondary meta-data tweet. As I suggested in the blog comments, that doesn't even necessarily need to be anything implemented by twitter -it could be just implemented in clients and use the standard 140char tweet as a transport (a second one in addition to a regular text tweet. (but might be better if it was implemented via the api?)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just like you describe in your post, you have to use different sites and services to fully utilize twitter. It would really make a difference to get all services into a single site, with choices to what services you want to use to personalize your way of twitter-ing.
- Sanne Buurma
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"This is a six-sided tale. Safety. Security. Compliance. Engineering. Finance. Legal."
- Mike Boudreaux
from Bookmarklet
I'm building my own server in the cloud, thanks to Dave Winer: http://www.scripting.com/stories... but right now that will have to wait cause Maryam wants me to come downstairs and stop playing on my computer.
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Are you using Rackspace?
- Jesse Stay
I'm not sure I'd recommend EC2 for beginners, even with a HOWTO. There are much cheaper cloud-based alternatives (like Rackspace's Slicehost offering). "Turning it off when you're not using it" isn't a solution. This isn't 1970.
- Mark Trapp
Jesse: no, for now I'm just following along Dave's podcast.
- Robert Scoble
ReadWriteWeb did the same: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Robert Scoble
After I get it running on Amazon I'll get it running on Mosso. Gotta run, Maryam's getting mad I'm still playing on the computer.
- Robert Scoble
Is s3 mounted as a filesystem on EC2 much faster than s3fs elsewhere? I'm doing rsync with s3fs on a linode server and it's taking all weekend.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: how big is your diff? That doesn't seem right.
- Mark Trapp
Amazon has Windows servers... which Dave uses in his example. Mosso Cloud Servers and Slicehost look like they are Linux-only for now. EDIT: GoGrid has Windows servers as well, which are even easier to bring up than they are at Amazon.
- Karim
I know there is a project that can use EC2 and S3 rattling around my brain, I just haven't been able to find it in there yet.
- Mike Flynn
I've fallen in love with all of amazon web services... hard. I have trouble imaging building scalable projects without it now. My current project uses ec2, s3, cloudfront, elastic ips, elastic block storage, simple queue service and simple db.
- Ted Roden
Karim: Mosso offers a Windows server (http://www.mosso.com/cloud.jsp) but it's a bit more expensive than leaving an EC2 instance running 24/7. It's hell of a lot easier to set up, though.
- Mark Trapp
Great idea Robert. Once you try those, I'm very interested on what I'd get from RackSpace that I wouldn't get from Amazon, or more importantly, what of all those you try out you think is best. I keep coming back to Amazon due to price and flexibility, but I'm always open to new things if they make sense.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I thought those Mosso Windows offerings were Cloud *Sites* not servers -- i.e. basically a webroot where you get to upload stuff? From what I read, the advantage is that they automagically scale, but since it's not a server of your own, you can't log in as Administrator & install stuff.
- Karim
Ted, what do you do for load balancing on EC2?
- Karim
Karim: and what, exactly, is a beginner non-developer/non-IT/non-sysadmin going to be doing that requires a full server? I don't think people who require full control over the inner workings of a server are the people being targeted, here.
- Mark Trapp
"BOBBY!... TIME FOR DINNER DONCHA KNOW"
- rob friedman
from twhirl
Karim: On http://enjoysthin.gs I'm running one web front end so I don't need a proper load balancer. I split up some of the backend work to separate servers... same with the DB. But the app handles all that. In the past I've used both HAProxy and simple round robin dns.
- Ted Roden
Mark, let me ask Dave Winer why poets need servers and get back to you. lol
- Karim
Ted, thanks. Roll-your-own HAProxy seems to be pretty popular with the EC2 set. Amazon has threatened to come out with a load balacing solution at some point...
- Karim
Karim: they will. Don't get to comfy with any load balancing solution, amazon will come up with something that beats it.
- Ted Roden
Do what 'the boss' says ... or you're doomed (and she's right :)
- Charlie Anzman
I get that a lot from Amanda. Good to know I'm not alone:-)
- Brandon Mendelson
Mark Trapp - Sorry I fell asleep. The diff is less than 10GB. It looks like it might be almost finished now.
- Bruce Lewis
Read the comments. It's a pricy proposition, the more you use it. There are cheaper solutions, no?
- Ernie Oporto
from Nambu
I've been playing with EC2 for a few months now, including creating my own linux images that weren't (aren't?) included "out of the box". This also gives you the legroom when you're going to mount your S3 buckets for your own files. It's a simple and painless task if you know your way around linux/unix systems...
- Holger Eilhard
RackSpace has more instance types available than EC2. The lower end ones have less memory so they can end up being a lot cheaper. It may be worth checking out depending on your usage.
- Todd Hoff
Listened to the first 45 minutes of the latest Gillmor Gang with Paul Bucheit. He did a great job, quite a politician. And there were some hints on what's to come in upcoming releases. Of course I have lots of ideas. I don't think the API needs simplification, but I do think the RSS support needs...
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...improving. I like the idea that they're going to pull back from providing custom support for all kinds of apps and rely more on working with other sites to get uniform support for Media RSS. I found when I wanted to send a picture or MP3 at FF, I'd have to use the API to get the effect I wanted. Not the way to go. Use the API for big jobs, and let RSS do its job.
- Dave Winer
I also think there could be a driver structure so users could build simple interfaces for all the services. Build out the platform with interactive features. Also the nugget of functionality you're looking for is obvious. I hate to see young guys reinvent the wheel. We've been down this path Paul. How about some two-way conversations about this. I feel like I've been pissin in the wind. I agree with your goals. Same thing I say to the newspapers, open the door and let us in. That's how to win.
- Dave Winer
Let's get a simple spec together that says "This is what FF is looking for in for rich media and thumbs." And let me ping you to tell me the feed updated. There's your super-simple publishing API. Your target user for this should be Marshall Kirkpatrick. A super-talented technical *user*. Learn how he thinks. And a thousand more like him will follow. These are the people you need.
- Dave Winer
Now I'm going to a programmer's dinner in Berkeley where we're hatching up something *evil*. :-)
- Dave Winer
BTW, I thought they all asked great questions, from Scoble to Farber, even Keen. The one thing Leo didn't say that I wished he would was how being a Friend-Of-Ev got you 200K followers and how that was screwing up the ecosystem in Twitter. That has nothing to do with scaling issues. It's just pollution.
- Dave Winer
What is it you want to put into Media RSS that FriendFeed won't consume? They added media:title support when you complained a while back so you can't exactly say you're ignored.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I don't remember -- but I've never been able to push content to FF through feeds as well as I can through the API, so I always end up falling back to the API. My goal isn't to be "listened to" rather to create outrageously fun and satisfying experiences for users. Sometimes being listened to is necessary to do that.
- Dave Winer
Paul was tactful. But who did we really hear from? Laporte and Scoble. That makes sense but weren't a lot of the questions pretty pedestrian after all this time? Keen tried to take some pokes but ended up sounding like he didn't know what FF really did? The same goes for Farber. The one statement that really resonated was that nobody really knows what the conversation is supposed to look like. We still haven't defined what we want this to do.
- Christopher Harley
@Christopher - your line "..nobody really knows what the conversation is supposed to look like" is brilliant, and I agree. The form Vs. function of conversational media has not really been discussed anywhere, let alone played with.
- David Bausola
Months ago I dropped my use of the API because feeds work so well. Try to remember what you couldn't do with feeds before; maybe it works now.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Thanks for the advice. I'm probably pushing it a bit harder than you Bruce.
- Dave Winer
David, right. In this discussion they divided Twitter, FriendFeed, and Facebook into separate services, each with its given strengths, but then tried to figure out how they would all fit together. Why try to make them fit? I listen to Twitter, converse with FriendFeed, and find with Facebook. I don't need them to integrate with each other, I need them each to accept the presence of the...
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- Christopher Harley
And Winer, "...create outrageously fun and satisfying experiences for users." Do it and do it with audio!
- Christopher Harley
Dave, I've got multiple thumbnails per entry with individual rollover titles, geoRSS, and use SUP. I would think if your feeds were pushing it harder than that, then you would remember what it was that didn't work. My users are leaping for joy. If that's what you're after, maybe you should take my advice.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Well Bruce I'm not going to argue with you about it.
- Dave Winer
I don't want you to argue. I want you to be specific. Specific criticisms help make FriendFeed better, which I like. Vague criticisms are just a downer.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Was anyone else surprised that this was Mike Arrington's first time on GG since he took his break and he only said one thing (he asked Paul how quickly Facebook would copy their newest features) on this podcast?
- Mike Doeff
Yeah, Arrington was a nonentity. Surprising given he was a big proponent early on and pushed a lot of users to FF back in March/April 2008. Yet no substantial questions for Paul and nothing to sharpen the other panelist's questions. Can we get a redo?
- Christopher Harley
Christopher, what's of more substance to FriendFeed than the threat of Facebook? I think he chose a good question. I haven't actually listened to the audio yet, but I think it isn't necessary to inject oneself a lot when the interviewee is saying interesting things. Arrington seems a lot more listening-focused since his vacation. It may be time for me to start reading TechCrunch again.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce, I made those specific recommendations when I hit the walls. They're in the Friendfeed Feedback room. I don't remember what I said then, I'm working on other stuff now. Thanks.
- Dave Winer
Dave, I'll search in there and comment/like if I haven't already in order to bump them up.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce, I have to agree. The one question that Arrington chose to ask was a very relevant one.
- Mike Doeff
I'm wondering what the Shiner Brewery is planning for the Shiner GASP. It's their 100th Anniversary so it should be good. http://www.shinerbash.com/
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Here is Why Facebook is not as Cool as FriendFeed and Why it Totally Makes My Head Hurt Sometimes - http://flickr.com/photos...
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No. Way.
- LogEx
-nuff said....or not said. I don't want any more snowballs thrown at me...PLEASE!
- Jennifer Windrum
Yeah, all that crap is pretty annoying.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
and you people complain about a little chapstick and lips every now and again. sheesh. I'd much rather see chapstick and lips any day of the week over getting a "crush jason alexmi" request or getting *two* sammy is sexy requests in the same day!
- Thomas Hawk
=O
- Shevonne
You know you can turn that off right?
- Eric P
hahahahhaa
- Shevonne
horrible
- andy brudtkuhl
OUCCCCH (E.T. Voice)
- sean percival
no doubt. i'm always blocking apps. i don't want play around with hatchlings or pieces of flair or get involved in any dang food fights.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
wow
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
That right there is the biggest reason I can't stand Facebook and I would dump it in a heartbeat if it didn't mean that all of my family and distant friends would instantly have a shitfit.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Also - Facebook = "Real life Friends". If you only friend people you're actually friends with it's actually a terrific application for keeping in touch. If you try to treat it like a Friendfeed/Twitter/MySpace then you wind up with a load of crap and its utility takes a nose dive.
- Eric P
PREACH!!
- Derrick
thankfully i've avoided this kind of garbage
- chrisofspades
I block just about every app invite I get. I'm glad some people like it, but I despise ANY application, social network, or whatever that the second step in adding the app is to SPAM all of my friends with it. This is a terrible process and needs to be done away with.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I didn't add them. They are invitations.
- Thomas Hawk
Totally agree with you. couldn't have said it better.
- Karoli
Sean hit it perfectly. It's why I use Facebook as nothing more than an address book for people from my past. That has always made me sick, screen 2 is "Tell me who to spam!"
- Matthew DeVries
@Haggis: Agreed. And I too block pretty much every app invite I get. The irritating part is when someone gets all uppity with me because I didn't return their snowball or superpoke them back. I'm like...srsly? You send me that ridiculous crap and then have the nerve to get mad at ME for not participating?
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I am blocking most apps, because things can get outta hand ...
- Rene Wirtz
@Amanda: I tell/have told all my friends that they can send those requests, but that I categorically deny all of them. It's surprising how that already decreases the number of requests.
- Rene Wirtz
I do get tired of all that crap. My bro sent me a video to watch on Farcebook a few days ago, but to see it I would have to download yet another silly wall. I don't need more than one, nor do I need to install multiple calendars so you can see when my birthday is. Go to my profile.
- Ian May
For every app invite i block, i seem to get twice as many the following day. Its better now their not all over people profiles pages when they do get added though.
- Simon Wicks
Thomas - I think you're really gettign confused between Facebook and these leeches trying to suck off the Facebook platform. Just ignore them and these requests would never appear. Or better yet - DEfriend anyone who would be so stupid as to include you on a list of requests. JUST DUMP THEM - and everything will be fine.
- Marc Canter
But seriously...you really should accept my Pirates vs. Ninjas request.
- Adam
You're just waaaay too popular, Tom ;-)
- Dave Fortheloss
Yep. I put a moratorium on adding apps and made that abundantly clear, but I still get all the cr@p.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
this is just one example of the silliness and boring nature of facebook. Frankly it's just not engaging. There's so much wrong with it and this is just the start. FriendFeed is a far superior platform for probably 100 different reasons.
- Thomas Hawk
I have found that blocking invites from certain users and applications is very helpful.
- Adam
@Thomas I agree with you 100%. I think FB is near unusable.. You're right it's not engaging - it's more of a distraction and there's very little value proposition for me to connect with people. I get the same with email/IM/flickr.. FF is far superior in my estimation
- andy brudtkuhl
that's just crazy! insane! crazy?...insane?
- .LAG liked that
Holy crap and I cry when I see 3 of them on my bar.
- Anika
Just looked at this and confirmed that I have no interest in joining Facebook.
- TranceMist
I'm not a fan of the tons of virtual goods and apps either, but I've got tons of friends who would qualify as "normal people" and cannot imagine living without FB. It's a rich way for them to keep in touch with people. I like FF a bunch but I also recognize the bandwagon effect that exists with FB.
- Cecyl Hobbs
A picture is worth a 1000 words.
- Eric Logan
*Brain cramp*
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
HOLY FRAKKIN' FRAK
- Josh Haley
Sweet baby Jesus
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I've just been blocking all Facebook apps.
- Morton Fox
INSANE Bro!
- Francis Aldana
@Morton Fox: I do the same. Problem is that you have to opt out of each crappy app that anyone you know has managed to dig up. If you don't log in often and deal with these head-on, the simple act of opting out can be daunting.
- Keith McCammon
It's striking how many people hate Facebook who nevertheless for various reasons feel unable to abandon it -- not so much a virus as a fungus. It's depressing to think that due to network lock-in my daughter may be stuck on it for years to come.
- Tim Ostler
something will come along to replace it. it's the inevitability of things.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I don't get why people who don't like apps don't block them all, or why people who do like them feel the need to send invites to everyone, let alone whine that you haven't accepted. Most apps I use have a button that shows your friends with the app, and I only send to those.
- Alix Whitmire
@Keith IIRC there's a greasemonkey script that lets you block them all at once.
- Alix Whitmire
Yep. Stuff like that's why I get the heebie jeebies about 5-10 mins after logging into Facebook.
- Susan A. Kitchens
Ahhhhhh, the voice of reason! I'm so glad I'm not alone.
- Rob Fahrni
RT yourself from June 2008?
- ThePicMan
Sweet baby jesus on a stick!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Jebus Herschel Krustovsky! That's ridiculous!
- Abbas Haider Ali
You should make that your Twitter background. :)
- Pete Delucchi
This post is what made me finally deactivate my Facebook account. I've had enough.
- Rochelle
HUGE LOL
- Kamilah Gill
aw man, what happened to the flickr image?
- Kamilah Gill
yep, I just IGNORE these types of apps/notifications- I have SO many sent to me and I would literally need to quite my job to attend to them full-time. It's insane. I think 95% of them are a waste of time imho... there are always going to be those people who love to do the spamming but it doesn't mean you need to pay attention to them :) One part of FB that I also do not love.
- Deanna Belle Govoni
This is one of the big reasons why I try and limit friends to people I know in person, and a few others who I can trust to not act like invite-wielding idiots.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Facebook sucks so badly. Why the hell people are still using this crap?
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
that's crazy!
- K.D.
Why would you blame facebook for you having idiot friends?
- Richard Lawler
Who ever said Facebook is cool? It's a rambling mess suitable only for people with lots of spare time and nothing else to do with it.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
shit like that is what makes me hate FB. they need an option saying "please auto ignore all invites from everyone". i used to have a greasemonkey script which did it, but the bloody things are getting smarter
- Terry O'Fee
Richard: Who said I have idiot friends? Intelligence has nothing to do with people trying to share their fave FB apps with everyone else, especially before Facebook put in limitations to keep apps from spamming their users' friends.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Thing is, once burned, twice shy. So only people I can trust to not send me lots of invites get to be friended to me on Facebook.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
it's just some people. i know great people who forward every single email online. there's one person, ive given her an old yahoo email adress so i dont hurt her feelings :P
- Terry O'Fee
Smart people catch on to spamming apps quickly, they recognize when they've been spammed, instead of signing up and passing them along, or continuing to request you join (insert game of the week.) If your friends can't figure out what's annoying to you, how can you expect Facebook to?
- Richard Lawler
immediately block app requests as they come in! according to the picture there were not so many apps involved here, but blocking them from the beginning on spares you more invitations..
- Johannan Edelman
I thought my FaceBook was bad when requests piled up, but you definitely win! I don't feel quite so irritated about it, now ;o)
- Seth Greenblatt
Yeah, that's one thing I hate about FB, those cutesy apps. I almost never participate in that...
- Rick Cogley
Try Facebuprofen.
- david beckwith
Just say no to 99.9% of all facebook apps and your problems are solved... :)
- Walt Ruppar
Some of my friends are so annoying on FB that I have to permanently block all invites from them. Bloody Blood-sucking-vampire-stricken-greek-godish-monsters.
- Aman
ha ha
- Saravanan
Aman: Sad to see I'm not the only one who suffers so.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
@Chris: Indeed it is sad. I am in the process of forming a group called "People who hate people".
- Aman
WOAH! You know, I think it is funny, I removed ALL my apps the other day, AND told all my friends that I removed my apps, and they are STILL sending me app invites. If you keep up on it, it's fine. If you don't, it looks like this... /sigh
- Danielle Closs
Friends oh Friends.
- Aman
But FB is still better than the Google counterpart - Orkut. The sleaziest Social Website of all times. Their tag line : "Its so easy to get molested online, let us make it easier for you".
- Aman
Holy Facebook Crap Batman!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Some apps are good but most are just spam. Good apps are hard to find but there are a few nice ones out there, I like the ff app and the twitter app. I also use the slayers app and the compare people app. I'm a little shallow.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
I hate the updates that I don't need. A large number of apps are useless.
- Palak Mathur
Urgh! So true!
- Vera
I just ignore pretty much everything that's not a message or a new friend request.
- Jim Hearts FF
NADD
- bifurcafe
DELETE BUTTTTTOOOONNNNN!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Mine looks almost as bad as that and I only have 8 friends (real life friends & family)
- April Russo (app103)
Use http://www.ignoreall.com/ Cleans up everything in a jiffy.
- Jauder Ho
I like FF for commenting on stories and seeing a discussion. I like FB for smaller discussions. FF bigest minus for me is the lack of a notification if someone specifically responds to me.
- ChiliMac
Agree with ChiliMac.
- Aman
That's a big list... I'm getting tired of hitting the ignore as well.
- Gary Gifford Jr
Believe me, even a good confrontation with those slimy friends does do any good. They keep sending invites even after that.
- Aman
I'd be a rich man if if I got a penny for everytime I click ignore. I'm just not making that much use out Facebook nowadays! That's why I decided to give FriendFeed a test trial.
- Vincent Nguyen
This is why they made the block function, I've blocked over 500 applications and I don't get many requests anymore. I promise, it works.
- Aaron Myers
It looks like facebook just threw up on your screen, IGNORE ALL!! And back away slooowly...
- Peter To
I don't get it. I have 600+ friends on FB (not crazy huge, but not an insubstantial number). About once a week, I do a combo of ignore-app's and ignore-all-apps from a few friends, and voila! In about 1-2 minutes, I'm all set. 1-2 minutes a week. How many friends do you have on FB, Thomas? And how many years has it been since you've cleared things out? While I think FB shares some of the blame, is this situation any different than not cleaning *anything else* out once in a while?
- Adam Lasnik
You've gotta love Twitter. It seems that someone named Duane might have farted and started a tornado in Oklahoma.
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After following the searches for "farted" and "duane" I found out that there were two independent groups of people who artifically tweeting these tags to increase their rankings in twitter search. This is an interesting development. I wonder how often this happens.
- Mike Boudreaux
Thank goodness for good friends who know how to reach you when it's important - a phone call cuts thru all the clutter
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FF2Disqus has re-emerged and is in private beta. Just leave a comment here if you'd like to participate. (*UPDATE:* please go to http://friendfeed.com/rooms... for more information)
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I'm interested in this service but it still won't work with Tumblr, correct?
- Boris Gordon
It works, provided you have Disqus enabled on your Tumblr blog and that the link in FF points that back to your Tumblr entry. Look at Fred Wilson's Tumblr entries on FF as an example: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Carter Rabasa
Well sign me up please! :)
- Boris Gordon
Done!
- Carter Rabasa
I see you are only syncing one way at the moment so comments made on tumblr items in friendfeed should show up on the disqus comments on the tumblr blog? Still not doing that for me at the moment though.
- Boris Gordon
please sign me up
- Fabio Giglietto
Done!
- Carter Rabasa
@cubanlinks I'd like an invite to FF2Disqus. Thanks ;-)
- Czar
Is the mulitple post item fixed? FF has been a mess because of this service.
- Anika
@Anika, the short answer is "I believe so". It was a caching issue outside of my control. The more important point is that comments are no longer pulled into FF. That "feature" just isn't worth the mess it makes, even without dupes.
- Carter Rabasa
I'm game for helping you test FF2Disqus.
- Joe Burnham
Okay, then sign me up!
- Anika
Sign me up.
- Håkan Dahlström
@Håkan @Anika @Joe @Czar Invited!
- Carter Rabasa
I'd like to sign in. Thank you.
- lelapin
@lelapin Invited!
- Carter Rabasa
I'd like to participate. Thanks!
- Erica Toelle
@Erica of course! invited.
- Carter Rabasa
I'd like to participate!
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark invited!
- Carter Rabasa
This is another welcome Disqus app, and I would like to try the private beta version. I already use Disqus to integrate Facebook Connect with my Blogspot blog (manofmanywords.blogspot.com) and this would be the perfect addition.
- Will Conley
@Will invited!
- Carter Rabasa
Please invite me :)
- GOTTi
@GOTTi all set
- Carter Rabasa
Please invite me too,thx
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
@Nicholas done
- Carter Rabasa
I'd like to participate!
- Jesse Stay
I was sure that it will survive Carter! :)
- directeur
Just read your email Carter, thanks for the link to the issue in GAE, I wasn't aware of it! Glad you're back even in private beta :)
- directeur
Sign me up, Carter.
- Bill Sodeman
@Jesse @Mohomed @Bill all set!
- Carter Rabasa
I would love try it out. Thanks.
- Ignacio Rodriguez de R,
@Ignace invite sent!
- Carter Rabasa
invite still possible? thanks
- mersenne
Hi, could I get an invite too?
- Rutger Blom
Invite please.. :)
- Thomas Bøhm
damn straight! very interested
- Noah David Simon
@mersenne @Rutger @Thomas @Noah Invited!
- Carter Rabasa
@Noah, check-out the FF room I invited you to. It'll have the link to the hosted application.
- Carter Rabasa
Carter, does it mean that what I set previously needs to be re-set? Can I get an invite? Thanks
- Flavio
@flapic, yeah I wiped all users due to the glitches the app was having. plus, I no longer need your FF remote key, so that was nice to erase (I hate storing credentials). anyway, you're invited!
- Carter Rabasa
@carter: tnx
- Flavio
Yes please! Gimme Gimme!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
@Rah boom!
- Carter Rabasa
Please. :-)
- Chris Baskind
@Chris you got it
- Carter Rabasa
am interested. thanks
- Fatmanur Erdogan
@Fatmanur invited!
- Carter Rabasa
I'd like to participate.
- deden m. ihsan
@deden all set!
- Carter Rabasa
Man of Many Words suggests this is worth checking out. May I please :-)
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
@mcwflint the more the merrier!
- Carter Rabasa
Count me in, please. daniel@dmiessler.com @danielrm26
- Daniel Miessler
@Daniel, I've invited you to our FF room
- Carter Rabasa
I'm interested in trying this beta too.
- Rodrigo
I would like to participate.
- Alexander Kahn
@Rodrigo @Alexander You've been invited. Please read the room description and first few posts!
- Carter Rabasa
I would like an invite please :)
- Anne Haynes
@Anne done!
- Carter Rabasa
Hi, can I please get an invite.
- Dan Liebke
@Dan you got it!
- Carter Rabasa
I too would like to get on this service.
- Kurt von Schleicher
@kurt invited!
- Carter Rabasa
wait, why is it private beta now again, since it was open some days ago? pls let me in again to sync my friendfeed/disqus commets. may i have an invite pls?
- natadd
@natadd there were a few kinks that caused some issues. I wanted to make sure that a) I knew who was using the service b) people knew it was a beta and c) people had a place to leave comments and feedback. You've been invited!
- Carter Rabasa
thanks for the invite, but where/how should I get it? Email? twitter?
- natadd
I sent you an invite to a private FF room.
- Carter Rabasa
okay, thanks, but I didn't get an invite yet. how should i receive it? twitter? email?
- natadd
You should get an email. There should also be a link in the upper-left of FF that indicates that you have requests waiting for you. I'll try and invite you again.
- Carter Rabasa
I'd love to participate. Thanks for your work on this!
- Brent Evans
@Brent room invitation sent!
- Carter Rabasa
I'm interested
- Creeva Murkado
unfortunately I received the ff notice only, but nwo email invitation. can u pls send to lordnatadd@googlemail.com? thx!
- natadd
@creeva you've been invited!
- Carter Rabasa
Would love an invite. :)
- Chris Nixon
@Chris invited!
- Carter Rabasa
I would be interested in using Friendfeed to Disqus on http://kevintunis.com/
- Kevin Tunis
@Kevin, all set!
- Carter Rabasa
Would love an invite
- Iván Abrego
@Francisco invited!
- Carter Rabasa
I'd like to request for an invite. Tried it prior to the return to private-beta ^_^ Thanks!!
- JC John Sese Cuneta
@JC you've been invited!
- Carter Rabasa
Count me in, too :-)
- Miguel Caetano
@miguel you've been invited to the private beta room (please read the room description and first few posts). thanks!
- Carter Rabasa
I'd like to participate. In fact, my blog (Scribkin) is already registered.. I just wanted to change my sync settings?
- Phil G
@Phil invitation sent! updating your settings just requires you to re-submit the form and clobber the old settings.
- Carter Rabasa
Thanks!
- Phil G
Deal me in!
- Tom Guarriello
@Tom you're all set!
- Carter Rabasa
Hey Carter, i wouldnt mind trying this out. Thanks.
- Simon Wicks
@Simon you're invited!
- Carter Rabasa
Thanks very much :)
- Simon Wicks
Hey! I'd like to try it out, please. Great idea.
- Thomas Crampton
I would like to test this also :)
- Joe Dawson
Sign me up please, I'd like to try it :-)
- Jean-Charles
I never recieved my invite.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I'd love to give it a go!
- Jim Cahill
I would like to participate too:)
- Ben Borges
I would definitely love to participate, if there is still room
- Martha
interesting would love to try it
- BCK
I would like to try it too !
- Krishnakanth Chimalamarri
May i please have an invite?
- Web20Critic
I would love an invite please :)
- Daryl Milne
Hey Carter, would love to give it a try!
- xavier vespa
Genius idea, could you sign me up please? :)
- teleute
I'd like to be signed up!
- Craig Bellot
It doesn't work for me anymore, do I need to sign up again? If so please sign me up. It's really great.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
uh oh... I'm addicted and want more. no work no more
- Noah David Simon
Everyone, sorry I missed your requests. I was in Vegas this weekend. I have decided that FF2Disqus no longer needs to be in private beta! So, please check-out http://friendfeed.com/rooms... to learn more about it, or go straight to https://ff2disqus.appspot.com. Enjoy!
- Carter Rabasa
@Tobias. I don't see your information in my database. If you "turn-off" FF2D, it deletes your record, so maybe that's what happened? Anyway, feel free to sign-up again. @Noah, I just looked at your feed and it seems like comments are syncing fine. Any more information I can look at?
- Carter Rabasa
I'd like to have a play with this, it's something that's I've wanted for a while.
- Daniel W. Crompton
Daniel/everyone: If you'd like to try FF2Disqus check-out our FF room: http://friendfeed.com/rooms.... If you have any questions or comments, please post or comment in that room. Thanks!
- Carter Rabasa
I'm definitely interested in this integration. Please include.
- Kenley Neufeld
The Prescriptive Approach to Process Safety for Oil & Gas Producers - Emerson Process Experts - http://www.emersonprocessxperts.com/archive...
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"The American Petroleum Institute's Recommended Practice 14C (API RP 14C) was indeed very prescriptive for what safety shutdowns were required for each piece of the processing equipment from the wellheads to the custody transfer skids where the production was metered and ownership transferred to the pipeline companies."
- Mike Boudreaux
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Process safety systems in the Gulf of Mexico - http://www.isa.org/InTechT...
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Process safety systems for the offshore oil/gas industry in the Gulf of Mexico have taken a very different path than those of their onshore brethren. Monthly and quarterly testing of safety devices in an online mode, a prescriptive safety standard written more than 40 years ago, and a governmental agency looking over their shoulder make up what could have been a recipe for disaster, but instead it has been a recipe for an exemplary process safety record coupled with high uptimes. The differences lie in API RP 14C and ISA84 and the results to facilities in the Gulf of Mexico and onshore facilities. The differences are also why their system has worked.
- Mike Boudreaux
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In 2008, Two Contrarians Showed Blogging is Alive and Well http://www.edelmandigital.com/blog...
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Basics - Solid-State Computing, Without a Whirring Drive - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2008...
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Seagate should worry about this trend. I store very little on my laptop's hard drive anymore. What about you?
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
"without a whirring drive" - sounds Proustian.
- tom matrullo
On the other hand, we have tons of terabyte hard drives full of HD video. So, this can be counteracted by getting more teenagers HD video cameras so they shoot video and need to store it.
- Robert Scoble
I'm glad you are finally saying they should worry about this trend. This is the future. Mechanical hard drive manufacturers will either become SSD manufacturers in 10 years or cease to exist. Intel has made a lot of moves and partnering with other companies and will gain a foothold in what is now just a tiny segment of the storage industry.
- Dr. Apps
from twhirl
Dr. Apps: I think Seagate will surprise here. The expertise to make heads for hard drives is also very useful to building SSD's.
- Robert Scoble
SSD does seem to be the direction that things are heading in our increasingly mobile society.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I store a LOT of data on my laptop's drive. I'm actually looking at upgrading my 250GB internal drive to a 500GB drive.
- Raoul Pop
Raoul: I store a lot on my external drives hooked up to my laptop, but very little on my laptop itself anymore. Seagate shouldn't worry too much about young people, though. My 15-year-old son has tons of videos, music, etc. stored on his.
- Robert Scoble
Tried an SSD & loved it. Waiting for my laptops hard drive to die before I replace it with a SSD, my guess is around 6 months longer. I don't think Seagate should be worried, we still love storage, we're just moving it onto the cloud for better efficiency.
- Steven Cains
IBM release 1petabyte flash drives in 2012. Then everyone can look forward to having a data center in their computers.
- Baba
I use the laptop's hard drive for applications, primarily. The only exception is my MacBook, but that's more of a desktop machine in function anyway; it very rarely travels with me.
- teleken
before we bury Seagate et. al., remember they move forward with density as well. could you turn down 5TB for $100? At some price point, whiring disks still works at some density/price.
- Wilma Stoneflint
I have a Macbook Air with the 64Gb SSD, and even though it´s not the fastest, and is pretty small capacity by today´s standards, I love the silence and haven´t stumbled into any space issues yet (although it´s not my primary). I even ordered my new Macbook Pro 2.8 with "only" 250Gb HD because, as Robert said, I store more things on a shared NAS or the cloud these days. It´s great that it´s so easy to switch out the HD with a SSD at a later stage in the new MB/Ps.
- Thomas Bøhm
I store little on the laptop's hard drive. I don't use local email on any of my computers, and I tend to put docs I know I want to share onto Google docs or somewhere like IDrive. Another service I use a lot is drop.io - at least as temporary storage while on the go. Not got any SSD yet though it's only a matter of time.
- Ian May
I store music and video on my hard drive, everything else goes to online services (google mail, google docs, evernote, ...); i have some textfiles lying around, mostly notes I took at meetings.
- Uwe Schwarz
I can't tell you the last time I noticed the whirring of my laptop drive, they're virtually silent these days.
- Kenton
not sure which trend you mean. the article is confusing. it conflates the ideas of cloud computing/cloud storage with the move to SSDs. the article OPENS with a Seagate exec who "lays awake at night worrying" that data is moving to the cloud. then the article ENDS with the *same* exec saying he "rests easier" knowing that data is moving to the cloud, because his company makes data center hard drives. wtf? dude, which is it? staying awake at night or resting easier? :-D
- Karim
sandwiched in between these conflicting cloud observations :-) is actually a really nice, well-written piece about the move from conventional hard drives to SSDs. which surprised me because, while i love the NYT, the technology writing (Pogue aside) has tended to be on the *trailing* edge of tech and not on stuff i, personally, am considering buying. :-D so kudos for the middle part.
- Karim
I wish there was a way to block comments in the real time friendfeed feed. Sometimes I think people comment on popular stories only to be seen.
- James Thomson
Karim: Seagate will figure out how to make all sorts of storage devices. If the argument is between local and cloud storage, Seagate shouldn't lose any sleep. If the argument is between hard drives and SSD's, then Seagate should lose some sleep until they figure out how to make SSD's too. But, seeing how a 500GB drive costs $56 retail now I don't see a lot of things going SSD except for the richest people. I can't afford SSD's and I'm probably in the most likely part of the market to buy a laptop with those
- Robert Scoble
thats a fairly short sighted arguments, think 18 months down the line, SSD's will at least half in price, if not more.
- Alex Kessinger
from IM
Alex: and so will hard drives. What would you rather have? 60GB of SSD for still a way too high price or 500GB of hard drive for $25?
- Robert Scoble
I understand that. SSD's I think will las longer. If I know that my 60GB of data is safe I would rather buy the SSD. I will let cloud providers deal with hassle of triple redudant 500GBs HD, because the chance it will fail is high. I will pay a preimum for SSD because I think its superior at lasting longer.
- Alex Kessinger
from IM
Alex: you are absolutely wrong. SSD's actually have error rates FAR higher than hard drives. You just see that as reduced storage, but they do have problems according to my friends at Sun Microsystems that study such things.
- Robert Scoble
you mean because they have a higher failure rate, they have reduced storage? I may not have understood what you said. What I meant is that I have had a numbe of HD's and the fail at much higher rates for me, then any of my SSD drives.
- Alex Kessinger
from IM
Alex: yes, that's what I mean. I have had friends with SSD's that have died, though, too. They aren't without errors that can destroy data, so keep backing up your devices!
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- Seagate is supposed to announce SSD in 2009, but unless they go into the NAND Flash memory business, they might have to purchase memory and controllers from a company that does (e.g. Samsung, Micron, Numonyx...) This would be a big change to a vertically integrated company like Seagate. I've heard rumors that they would just *buy* a NAND Flash manufacturer... at least that way they could make SSD profitably :-D
- Karim
I store very little on my laptop's hard drive these days. I could definitely live with a smaller SSD someday. Some of the netbooks look pretty good. My next computer will be a MacBook Pro though.
- Allen Blair
the price/performance of hard disks is improving, but the price/performance of SSDs seems to be improving even faster. hard drive capacities obey Moore's law, but not hard drive performance: i'm guessing silicon has a greater chance of obeying Moore's law in performance than a mechanical spinning disk.
- Karim
This reminds me of an interview with William Gibson that I read where he didn't even know that computers made noise until after he had written Neuromancer.
- Akiva Moskovitz
re capacity growth: found one article (http://www.tgdaily.com/content...) that says SSDs are "doubling their capacity every 12 months, while traditional hard drives currently show a capacity growth of about 50% per year." 50% per year is Moore's law. 100% per year is growing *faster* than Moore's law. Here's another page where the author predicts SSD will outstrip Moore's law in the short term: http://www.storagesearch.com/ssd-law...
- Karim
what about failure rates, I think that is another dimension that these things need to be in context with
- Alex Kessinger
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Clearly, no moving parts is the long-term win. But SSDs as we know them today are a stop-gap. There's too much performance overhead in making them look like spinning platters. Increasing capacities (of all kinds of media) will also soon dictate need for new error-correction methods. There's too much at stake when 10 years of data fits in your pocket.
- LogEx
I don't own a laptop. I do own a 2.5 TB NAS with moving parts. I will trust SSDs when the random seeks on nonjournaled filesystems don't kill the drive perfomance and lifespan
- Michael W. May
My data is on laptop and backed up daily to my LACIE 1 terabyte NAS server at home which has a 500GB backup (yeah, backup to my backup); even considering Amazon online storage in case my house burns down. Last week i was looking at SSDs for my laptop... I need 24/7/365 access for my data... so I was automatically thinking SSD - no seek time issue..fast !!
- Susan Beebe
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