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Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Aron Michalski, Pam Gwenzi, Francine Hardaway and 8 other people liked this
Will start in a few minutes, I'm hanging out waiting for the usual Skype call. I will have a ton of different hats on today's show.
- Robert Scoble
let the games begin
- Raphael, Raphael
First hat will be a google one. Let's see if Gillmor can get me to put on the Silverlight one.
- Robert Scoble
dividing attention between this and health care debate. It could be an interesting exercise.
- Karoli
Karoli: cool, one conversation is important. You figure out which one. :-)
- Robert Scoble
i never did like silverlight
- Chris Jackson
You have actual hats?
- Raphael, Raphael
Yes. Lots of hats.
- Robert Scoble
I heard you were handed your hat a few times last night ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
a few, yes
- Robert Scoble
and it begins
- michael sean wright
we are on!
- Robert Scoble
Dan Farber of CBS News.
- Robert Scoble
comcast merger, anyone?
- Karoli
Squeeee! Doc's back...been way too long.
- Karoli
I have one of those Google caps.
- Raphael, Raphael
I'm sure that Google knowing every time anybody on the internet visits any other site has nothing to do with it, right?
- Ken Sheppardson
Great for Analytics.
- Raphael, Raphael
i.e. inserting themselves (potentially) into every client->server connection process
- Ken Sheppardson
it's not just delivery, it's content control.
- Karoli
Adds a new spin to the net neutrality argument
- Ken Sheppardson
robert, comcast might not want you to use bing. they might want you to only use yahoo.
- Karoli
More media consolidation in the hands of fewer and fewer corporations is always a good thing
- Gregg H.
Dan Farber, Doc Searls, Scoble and Marks on today's Gillmor Gang: Live Now - http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
It's also interesting in the context of the fact DirecTV viewers no longer get the Versus sports network, as they couldn't negoiate a deal with Comcast
- Ken Sheppardson
ask Al Gore how he feels about their negotiations re: Current TV
- Karoli
and Versus carries a lot of the niche or edge sporting events
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
great point, Doc.
- Karoli
Comcast is very aggressive in keeping out local competitors - they have bought every local cable company or forced them out. They have locked out all local sporting events
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, here in San Francisco we couldn't get the Stanford/Cal game this fall... it was on Versus. And it means no daily, live Tour de France coverage next July :-(
- Ken Sheppardson
It was "rooter" before people started to mispronounce it.
- Gregg H.
I wonder what this means for their TV On Demand section - currently NBC is not listed for any shows and CBS is very big in that list. Will this change and now NBC will only be On Demand? Will Hulu now be a Comcast Cable only site?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
The Network has changed to the point that combining cable + tv production can't corner the market in anything.
- Cliff Gerrish
consolidation of power and message control
- Karoli
cliff, they own the network.
- Karoli
Messages can be sent from any node.
- Cliff Gerrish
cliff, if i have no access to nbc news because i'm not a comcast subscriber, the messages aren't especially helpful.
- Karoli
Don't you have access to NBC news via the network?
- Cliff Gerrish
cliff - they already "load balance" based on where/when you are streaming from/to - so now what's to prevent them from load balancing all ABC/CBS sites in favour of NBC?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Cliff, will I continue to?
- Karoli
@Karoli - Comcast/NBC will become an out of network network :)
- Rob La Gesse
I am sitting at lunch with a Silverlight guy:-)
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Video feed is fine.
- Rob La Gesse
video is fine here
- Chris Jackson
Comcast is on to yous guys
- Raphael, Raphael
There's no need to fear silverlight. It will die quickly. HTML 5 will make sure of that.
- Gregg H.
Mixing Content and Conduit is always a bad business idea
- Stephen Pickering
Michael Arrington just joined the Gillmor Gang: Live now at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
Tradeoff? Silverlight is a 15 second install...
- Rob La Gesse
silverlight will go the way of google gears
- Chris Jackson
Gregg, I'll only believe that when we have the Olympics streamed live in HTML5.
- Raphael, Raphael
NetFlix watch instantly is a nice example of Silverlight -- this relates to the Comcast deal.
- Cliff Gerrish
Google Gears didn't DO anything - Silverlight does.
- Rob La Gesse
I think all this stuff is inevitable. do we still need cable? or broadcast? for how long?
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Vezquex, you'll see it
- Gregg H.
Francine, the argument against the acquistion is that they'll control the Network. They won't.
- Cliff Gerrish
That's a good question - will Comcast/NBC still allow Netflix/Mediafly content to be streamed at full speed or will it become traffic shaped
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
you mean will the net be.. you know... neutral?
- Ken Sheppardson
Google will spank properties that throttle - that alone will keep them playing fair.
- Rob La Gesse
All proprietary un-free software and platforms will lose in the long run.
- Gregg H.
Cliff, they already do. If I am watching a streaming video for more than 5 minutes I get traffic shaped. If i'm watching Comcast On Demand I do not. Will Hulu now be traffic shaped or will it get a pass? That what will be the clue if they are acting in a network neutral manner
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Windows is dog slow on good rigs, whereas Chrome OS is fast even on weak hardware.
- Raphael, Raphael
CrunchPad update?
- Ken Sheppardson
that's what i'm waiting for - CrunchPad questions
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
what's traffic shaped
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Silverlight adjusts to the speed of the bandwidth...
- Cliff Gerrish
scoble - diet coke is bad.....
- Chris Jackson
Francine - it is basically throttling of your bandwidth based on content and/or destination
- Rob La Gesse
Francine - if i'm streaming a video on Comcast the first 5 or so minutes are at my full bandwidth capability (15mbs) but if I continue past that point the speed of the video drops to less than 1mbs
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
But Silverlight is from Microsoft. How can it be good?
- Raphael, Raphael
See Moonlight + Mono....
- Cliff Gerrish
Amazing Silverlight is actually seeing some traction. Developer Cuz predicted it would 2 years ago.
- JimmyJet
When Google switches Youtube videos to Ogg Theora natively palyabe in HTML 5 Browsers I think Gillmor and others that deride the importance of free software codecs and platforms will have a revelation
- Gregg H.
bah - I have to run an errand - I wish the video show could be viewed later
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
wish those questions had been asked in 2001
- Karoli
Bear - it can - they are always posted on building43.com a few days later.
- Rob La Gesse
google'll be using h264 and html5 video before any os codec
- Kevin Marks
Gillmor Gang is available on YouTube - your DVR of choice...
- Cliff Gerrish
Silverlight is as un-free as you can get.
- Gregg H.
oh snap! I had no clue - thanks rob and cliff
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Silverlight is every bit as free as Google Search
- Rob La Gesse
Silverlight is free (as in beer).
- Raphael, Raphael
Mike is trying to open one of those un-openable plastic wrapped packages - I feel for you, Mike!
- Rob La Gesse
be careful Mike, sharp edges on that package.
- michael sean wright
scissors help, Mike.
- Karoli
lol, karoli.
- Hilary Talbot
Ubuntu netbook remix
- Raphael, Raphael
Mike - use a hand grenade, Those suckers are tough!
- Rob La Gesse
seriously, take a pair of scissors and cut it. It works. surgically, even.
- Karoli
Is locked down linux an open system?
- Cliff Gerrish
The importance of the use of our computer devices in our lives are fundamental. That's why the software and hardware has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. The software and hardware providers control our lives. That's the problem Steve.
- Gregg H.
But you need a real computer to debug anything. You couldn't actually debug from within Chrome OS.
- Raphael, Raphael
Is ChromeOS going to give you access to the command line?
- Cliff Gerrish
Gregg - that's crazy. As crazy as "free" healthcare.
- Rob La Gesse
strange disconnect between these guys talking about high tech and Mike opening a plastic insane package with his teeth.
- Karoli
"free" as in freedom
- Gregg H.
CromiumOS is free
- Gregg H.
Rob, "free" as in accessible to all but a few elite.
- Karoli
Freedom isn't free - far from it.
- Rob La Gesse
free as in kittens
- Kevin Marks
The importance of the use of cars, homes, electricity and food in our lives are fundamental. That's why cars, homes, electricity and food has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. [oh, "free" free]
- Ken Sheppardson
Chromium is NOT free. I pay for it with my attention and my gestures - and Google profits off both.
- Rob La Gesse
free as in radical
- Ken Sheppardson
"opening a plastic insane package with his teeth" Either a good way to take out aggression or raise blood pressure, take your choice.
- JimmyJet
the livestream from SuperNova has been great. Good panels and very good discussions.
- Jerry Schuman
If we understand that phones are going to the Network -- why don't we see that television is going there as well.
- Cliff Gerrish
Aside from a philosophical view. After being Windows free for 2 years and being free of malware, spyware, adware, and not having to run virus scan software and all that crap, I really don't understand why people like Gillmor think Linux is second class to Windows. I would never want the pain and horrible experience of using Windows again purely for practical reasons.
- Gregg H.
Gregg, I understand Windows 7 is quite nice. I'm planning to buy a cheap Windows 7 notebook as a backup machine.
- Karoli
Right CLiff.
- Francine Hardaway
Right. I have both GV, Vonage and Ribbit, and I have one phone number. It's my cell phone
- Francine Hardaway
we just went off air
- Jerry Schuman
off air?
- Raphael, Raphael
oops, looks like we lost the feed.
- Karoli
lost it....
- Chris Jackson
Back shortly
- Cliff Gerrish
oops - who tripped over the cord?
- Rob La Gesse
it's back
- Ken Sheppardson
Windows 7 rocks.
- Robert Scoble
hit refresh
- Jerry Schuman
We know we're off the air. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
You're not :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
We should be back now.
- Robert Scoble
o - is steve G. running this on a win 7 box??
- Chris Jackson
get the tricaster a cooling fan stat
- Brian Hendrickson
off again
- Jerry Schuman
the conversation never stopped on our side, though.
- Robert Scoble
sad
- Raphael, Raphael
Something is wacky. My video has sucked the whole time.
- Robert Scoble
We are recording this, though, and will have the whole thing up.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not getting a feed.
- Francine Hardaway
Please don't make me watch the Hummingbird Nest Cam.
- michael sean wright
Want to know if Michael gets that Magic Jack package open.
- JimmyJet
Shouldve used Justin.tv & Google Video Chat ahead of FF
- A.Karriem A. Khan
it's back
- Raphael, Raphael
You guys should talk a bit about Status.net, formerly Laconi.ca. Evan Proudomu just got over $1 Mil in VC. It could wind up being a very viable free federated decentralized competitor to Twitter.
- Gregg H.
FF is good for importing to gmail & DataMining yourself AUTOMAGICALLY , Like TwitCloud http://www.building43.com/realtim...
- A.Karriem A. Khan
Gregg: yeah, that will come up soon. Evan blocked me though. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Tell Doc I said hi
- Jesse Stay
Robert. I would love to see an interview with Status.net guys on Building43
- Gregg H.
Hi Doc and Dan and Robert...travel safely, all! thanks for the show. :)
- Karoli
Thanks, we'll see what we can do regarding status.net.
- Robert Scoble
Cool
- Gregg H.
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Susan Beebe, Jack, Christian Burns and 15 other people liked this
What's the topic for today?
- Matt Mastracci
Threadsy. The Gillmor Gang should be great today. Google/Mr. Softy and Tw*tter...
- Cliff Gerrish
Matt: there are too many things to talk about today. Twitter. Flickr. Windows 7. Etc Etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'm standing by waiting for the Skype call, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
Exciting week... Mainstreaming of real-time search and a new Windows rev.
- Matt Mastracci
We are connecting everyone now. Just a few more minutes and we'll be on air.
- Robert Scoble
We are live!
- Robert Scoble
Everything is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Long live everything
- Mike Doeff
omg - people still using FF? :)
- Nick Halstead
isn't that what Friendfeed does?
- Karoli
No, it's different, Karoli. I've also used it a bit, and it's more of a "universal inbox" than FriendFeed. It's just a client, rather than a stand-alone service.
- Ken Sheppardson
Is there a recording of the Tim Berners-Lee conversation somewhere?
- Mike Doeff
thanks, Ken. It's one of those services that definitely interests me...if I ever get in. :)
- Karoli
Nick: I still use RSS too. Saying something is dead is dead.
- Robert Scoble
"Everything is Broken" -Bob Dylan
- Jerome Hughes
We individually kill and give life to things every day. I don't use Google Reader much anymore, for instance. So to me Google Reader is dead.
- Robert Scoble
I used to think I'd want a universal inbox, but stuff like Threadsy have reminded me that I really want different "layers"/urgency in my inbox, e.g. SMS > IM > email
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, I still use Google Reader...but only when what I'm seeing on Twitter/Friendfeed doesn't feel balanced to me. I can usually get that balance by going back to GR.
- Karoli
Karoli: lists will bring that balance to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Ken, I'd definitely need filters or I'd just run away from the inbox screaming...
- Karoli
I still use GR - but I have about 10 feeds - the rest I get supplied by Twitter/TweetMeme
- Nick Halstead
the issue i have with tweetmeme, etc is how easily the echo chamber develops. I love it, but want to reach outside of it for info sometimes.
- Karoli
Karoli: I agree - the core categories will always be full of the echo/main crowd - but we will soon launch the ability for you to build your own channels that are filtered to your 'exact' requirements
- Nick Halstead
Used Threadsy 2 weeks ago, and okay concept, needs work still.
- JimmyJet
In the demo yesterday, Microsoft claimed that their Bing/Twitter search results filter out spam and surfaces quality results based on "social relevance"
- Mike Doeff
because it's a beta for a few 1000s....wait for lists to be rolled out...
- Antonella Stellacci
Mike, they're weighting it based on some kind of authority?
- Karoli
so "normal" people don't want to find new friends who share their interests?
- Jerome Hughes
Whatever it is, it's got to work for 'normal' people.
- Cliff Gerrish
@mikedoeff: Who decides "social relevance"? @Scobleizer Who is to say that this "social relevance' will be a democratic system? How can we prevent a new SUL/TechCrunch to happen, with people being disqualified for having "different" views?
- Antonella Stellacci
They called it "social relevance" but didn't really drill into what that means. Maybe some combination of # of followers, number of tweets, age of the account, verified status, etc.
- Mike Doeff
When will "normal" people get access to Twitter lists? I don't have it on my account. I might start using Twitter if I did.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ah...there's the 'track' ref. It's like coming home. :)
- Karoli
Yeah, I'm not one of the cool kids who get the lists feature on Twitter. :)
- Karoli
Potential issue with Twitter lists: Someone posts a list of CIO's. Sales rep's from Oracle, SAP, etc. use that list to pitch their products to those CIO's with @messages or DM's. Or they could find all of the people inside a company by finding a company list. It'll be like a free version of Jigsaw.
- Mike Doeff
lists =meta-data....so discovery of new users is one of the options...
- Antonella Stellacci
@mike u can DM a list? (sry for the stupid question, I don't have lists :(
- Antonella Stellacci
Is there convergence on a standard for lists, or is it too early?
- Cliff Gerrish
I wonder which will win out: sending stuff out to specified groups/audiences, or just sending stuff out to "everyone", and having whatever permissions you've assigned to specific people determine whether or not they see it. I guess it's the same thing. Nevermind. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Antonella, you can't DM a list but it's an easy way to collect twitter id's in a specific niche. You can go down the list and follow people individually.
- Mike Doeff
thanks Mike.
- Antonella Stellacci
Adding real username/URLs to Facebook was remedial.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cliff: Twitter will be the defacto list standard almost overnight.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: yes, @reply spam is a big problem. One that's solveable, though.
- Robert Scoble
Certainly, Identi.ca will follow suit, but will Facebook?
- Cliff Gerrish
And Mike, if a major company did @reply spam they would see a huge negative PR backlash.
- Robert Scoble
I wouldn't be so sure about Identica. Their feature set has already diverged from Twitter's. e.g. Groups http://identi.ca/doc/groups
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, they'll have to support both.
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert, I agree - would be a very bad move if PR firm, sales people, etc. abuse the lists features. They'll end up on a PR Twitter blacklist :)
- Mike Doeff
It centralizes with the user -- not with the services. This ties in to the purpose-centric web and the sidewiki discussion.
- Cliff Gerrish
So Threadsy isn't a service? Where's the line between services and clients?
- Ken Sheppardson
So will we see search come to Threadsy streams?
- JimmyJet
Is FriendFeed a client or a service?
- Ken Sheppardson
Mint is a front end to Yodlee.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin - send video.
- Cliff Gerrish
How long will it take Google to kill Threadsy with Gmail?
- Ken Sheppardson
Private room, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wonʻt Wave to that?
- Arnie Klaus
Robert: Click on your entry, click "Edit > Disable Comments"
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: no. I want my curation to be public. Arnie: Wave could be useful.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: if I turned off comments I won't have the ability to type anything underneath the item.
- Robert Scoble
Arnie: Wave would be useful if it weren't stuck in the very lame email metaphor.
- Robert Scoble
But is that all you want to do? Be able to add comments to your post without other people being able to do so? I'm a little confused...
- Ken Sheppardson
Arnie: Wave is something I'm watching a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: I want to curate and put it on MY OWN STREAM. Without you being there.
- Robert Scoble
..or you want to use FriendFeed as a text editor?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: FriendFeed doesn't work for what I want.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: FriendFeed got close, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, as long as none of us have to read it. Go ahead and make your own stream.
- Cliff Gerrish
I keep hearing you say that, Robert. I'm trying to understand exactly what it means. What about a private room/group?
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: I see a connect between Wave and the Twitter deal achieving curation
- Arnie Klaus
Ken: now you understannd why I'm so frustrated with FriendFeed. It won't get many new features.
- Robert Scoble
Arnie: me too.
- Robert Scoble
Wave traps me...I want the ability to opt out of specific waves.
- Karoli
Ken: Private groups don't do what I want. I want a public curation where everyone can watch JUST ME.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Would "only let me comment on this entry" do it?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: very close. But now we need to go further. Let me post a video there. An audio there. A picture there. And bring in other tweets and items.
- Robert Scoble
The reality is that no one's interested in 'only scoble' -- everyone wants to create their own mix.
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert: So... a room where only admins (i.e. you) can post and comment, but everyone can view?
- Ken Sheppardson
Cliff: absolutely not true. My blog proves you wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: now you are getting there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm only interested in certain posts from your blog. I don't need the whole stream. You're in my mix, you just don't know it.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: and to rub salt in a wound. Twitter proves you wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Every time Steve says, "Rob?" - I start to answer :)
- Rob La Gesse
Cliff: that's cool. So you are listening to a group curation then.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's a pretty minor incremental fix, I'd think. Right now there are three types of rooms 1) Private, 2) Standard only admins can post, anyone can comment, 3) Public. Seems like a fourth type where only admins can post/comment but everyone can view would be pretty easy.
- Ken Sheppardson
Hope Threadsy has security for the UN's/PW's they require for each service??
- JimmyJet
Scoble, yes. I use a microcommunity to filter items -- not full feeds.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ken: even easy stuff takes engineering time.
- Robert Scoble
Threadsy in Chrome gets a basic auth pop up from twitter.com for my API credentials every time it tries to access Twitter :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Cliff: I know. I have seen this. Sort of like how TechMeme works.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Sure, but asking Paul to add a fourth room type sure seems easier than casting out some general lazyweb request for curation tools ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble, techmeme is read only. This is a little different.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ken: FriendFeed has no engineering team working on many new features. I've already asked for new features. I've been asking for this stuff for years.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: Threadsy in Chrome (4): I am no longer getting a request to relog or give permission to twitter. refreshing auto like it should
- amarquart
Does Facebook still prevent developers from caching data for more than 24hrs?
- Ken Sheppardson
Threadsy seems to define the pipe that exists between services. The Oauth issue is critical -- it comes bak to identity.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ken: I believe so.
- Robert Scoble
Windows is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Flickr is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: Windows is Amazon's top seller. I want to be dead like that.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, we are already giving curated content e.g. this channel that is defined by 20 of the top Twitterati - http://twitterati.tweetmeme.com/ - soon these channels can be built by anyone
- Nick Halstead
Ok - i didnt get in on this till now - will it be archived?
- Chris Jackson
Yeah, it'll be published to YouTube in a day or so.
- Cliff Gerrish
Nick: that's not really what I want?
- Robert Scoble
ok
- Chris Jackson
Any timeframe from Twitter on when us lowly masses will get lists?
- Ken Sheppardson
im still waiting for twitter lists to hit my account.
- Chris Jackson
let them eat cake! classic.
- amarquart
Ken: a few weeks.
- Robert Scoble
Can I trade Wave invites for List access?
- Ken Sheppardson
RSS???
- Ken Sheppardson
Steve and Robert - the Gillmor Gang has become my most favorite source of social news and trends watch.
- Chris Jackson
Thanks Chris!
- Robert Scoble
:) funny Ken
- Chris Jackson
Translation: No idea.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: translation: "FriendFeed is not worth wasting engineering effort on."
- Robert Scoble
Does Threadsy have any sort of Activitystrea.ms support?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: I don't know.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, great show.
- JimmyJet
Thanks to Steve and all, nice to finally catch the show in real time again!
- Jerome Hughes
Good show
- Eric Logan
very good show...wish my phone hadn't rung at the end, but I still got my fix :)
- Karoli
The after show is pretty good too. Marks: why doesn't Twitter have searched scoped to the people I follow?
- Cliff Gerrish
Missed it again. I'll be back.
- Matt Terenzio
RSS?? (which we all know is dead, ..but still); mp3 ?? Steve, I understand your effort to make a point by inconveniencing us with lack of rss, I get it, but from that stage further it is just pain in the a**.
- Mindaugas Dagys
Thanks Ken, but the last bootleg there at the moment is GillmorGang2009.10.15
- Mindaugas Dagys
The RSS feed for the Youtube channel is http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds... and after a new show is uploaded there, I'll update the bootleg feed
- Jack
My God, Scoble, Did You Think We Wouldn’t See These? - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"Um, I guess you didn’t see the naked pictures of me in Mike Arrington’s backyard, have you? I guarantee you our HR department has seen those."
- Robert Scoble
Oh, my. :)
- ha3rvey (doesn't dance)
TechCrunch needs to read your Twitter stream more. :-)
- Jesse Stay
If you're wondering about Rob, you haven't seen Steve Demeter's latest Facebook upload. Steve is the creator of the Apply-hyped game Trism (in the very beginning of iPhone development times). Here we go: http://www.facebook.com/photo... . :-)
- Ralf Rottmann
I refuse to comment further. :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This one's even more incriminating: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Jesse Stay
Now the question is, how did Sarah Lacy manage to stay out of all of those photos? I hear she was there, too. :-)
- Jesse Stay
scoble, you rule. I thought this whole thing was funny and I love that you got it and came back with more.
- metalerik
Hee, great pics. Setting a good example for the youth of the world <G>. Yeah, where was Sarah Lacy?
- JimmyJet
I think I like you better now. You might be a geek, but at least you're not a dork. Besides, it looked like you were having fun, and that's the only thing that matters.
- Michael Fidler
Sarah was there watching the scene.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Very nice! I posted it in my blog. Scoble! You are the best.
- ramiromarques
Why did Google announce Chrome OS this week? Well, of course, Microsoft has a big announcement coming on Monday (I'm embargoed).
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It'll be interesting to discuss both announcements too, and what they mean for each other.
- Robert Scoble
Is this that internet clipboard that Ray Ozzie demoed a few years ago? Maybe they've completed it!
- Diego Barros
I hope to see something good come out of this. Are they saying free or paid for the Chrome OS?
- Anthony Timberlake
That's my Scoble - seeing things behind the things!
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
*raises eyebrow* Interesting. I applaud more competition
- Mo Kargas
I'm intrigued!
- Daynah
Diego, no, it's one of Microsoft's primary businesses. Did you know Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses?
- Robert Scoble
Related to Microsoft's Gazelle browser? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
- Kiran Patchigolla
Windows 7 GPL 3.0 ?? Brouahahaa:-)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
cool, im thinking its a special version of windows 7 for netbooks?
- sean percival
Microsoft isn't doing too bad lately.
- Eric Florenzano
Robert: I'm sure they do. As I'm sure IBM does. But I don't care about IBM. :)
- Diego Barros
Anthony: I'm sure it will be free.
- Robert Scoble
BingOS?
- imabonehead
imabonehead :D
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
imabonehead: no. :-) Microsoft isn't that disruptive.
- Robert Scoble
And that means Google Is doing well once again, doesn't it?
- Markingegno - Donato
from Android
The Chrome OS will be for netbooks and such for now. And is Microsoft announcing the Free One Care?
- Dylan Richardson
haha BingOS! I like it
- Diego Barros
Bingo yes :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
*chuckles at imabonehead*
- Daynah
LOL BingOS! The startup sound will be Ballmer saying "BING!" like he did at AllThingsD conference.
- Paul Salzman
Bing-OS was his name-o!
- Daynah
Bingos <--- that was his name-o
- Micah Wittman
GoogleOS is already out - "It's the browser" - the GNU/Linux/Ubuntu skin is just marketing...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
*high fives Daynah*
- Micah Wittman
An open source OS - how much stable will it be??
- Palak Mathur
Question is Robert, if you are not allowed to say, how on earth did Google find out?
- Sandra Large
Bingo-sssss
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Micah, we're on the same google brain wave tonight. :)
- Daynah
Palak - you troll
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Ride the wave :D
- Micah Wittman
Sandra: it might just be coincidence. Or maybe they have great spies. Depends on your view of the world, huh?
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft is open-sourcing their code too??? Yeah, didn't think so. :)
- Josh Fraser
Josh: part of the Microsoft announcement on Monday runs on Google Chrome (and Firefox for that matter).
- Robert Scoble
Not all "open-sourcing" is created equal.
- Micah Wittman
Maybe Microsoft is making it's secret announcement this week cause they knew Google was about to announce?
- Alan W Silberberg
Robert - say no more, don't get into trouble, Duder.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Thats real funny Josh .. Its like pulling teeth to get them to give a discount on anything.
- Dylan Richardson
Alan: maybe! It all depends on how you look at the world, doesn't it?
- Robert Scoble
Nice Cant Wait!
- James Hunter
It just seems to coincidental. Like President of Iran making big speech during MJ's funeral!
- Alan W Silberberg
Scoble the only MS announcement they could make that would blow me away is Windows 7 Early release.
- Dylan Richardson
Dylan: Microsoft has a few other impressive things up its sleeve.
- Robert Scoble
So the question is now that Google's making an OS, will Eric Schmidt resign from Apple's Board?
- Paul Salzman
It's all just ones and zeros. ;)
- Victor Panlilio
So, do we give Calacanis credit for calling a Google OS back in 2006? http://calacanis.com/2006...
- Mike Doeff
Sanat: insightful. Paul: Google makes a smart phone OS, and he hasn't resigned, so why would he now?
- Robert Scoble
Zune HD. Looks nice for the first time ever I'm thinking about it.
- Dylan Richardson
Google is talking about it's goals at this point. Isn't Intel trying a netbook OS too that boots fast? It'll be interesting to see which OS features win out here with different implementations. Is instant on to the browser the key or will some other feature shine? Fun times ahead, though really need to see things in action.
- Loren Heiny
from iPhone
Dylan: sorry, that is dead on arrival. They should have combined Zune with a cell phone.
- Robert Scoble
I got a screen photo here: http://ff.im/4WoVE, I don't have much comments yet due 2 that I am using it now, its not much of an announcement.
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert, Zune with a phone hmmm??? I hope ur rite as u said ur embargoed!
- polou/indigo_bow
Gazelle?
- carrotmadman6
MS does not have the Balls to take on the iPhone.
- Dylan Richardson
Wait for Monday. Nothing else to say.
- Frédéric Sidler
from iPhone
Robert, because they claim to excuse him from the part of the meetings related to iPhone...computer OS is arguably the biggest segment of Apple. I guess he can stick around for the hardware discussions. I know my argument is elementary, but maybe walking a line here?
- Paul Salzman
What was the last big hit new MS product?
- James Watters
But if they did that would be cool competition is always better for the consumer.
- Dylan Richardson
James: Xbox? Dynamics? Bing?
- Robert Scoble
Apple is not really what I will be looking at Android is the big boy here
- polou/indigo_bow
MS Office on the browser would also explain why GMail and Google Apps are finally out of Beta today too.
- Ron Schott
Xbox
- polou/indigo_bow
OH OH Project Natal is coming out!! lol j/k
- Dylan Richardson
Robert: Thanks, wasn't hating, just looking for organic momentum from products. Bungie was def a godsend to 360. Bing proved Seth Godin wrong which I greatly enjoyed.
- James Watters
@Robert Scoble: So I looked up Microsoft's last quater's financial report, Microsoft does indeed have a $14 billion business :)
- Long Zheng
Bing is nice I have to say. Here is how I use it .. If I want to Buy or shop a price I use Bing. If I need info its Google.
- Dylan Richardson
MS better fix the %$^#%@^ Gumblar hole first, it's apparently worse than Conficker -- http://rixstep.com/2...
- Victor Panlilio
MS also has ~6+ B in R&D, is it efficient?
- James Watters
Not new news, but it could be the launch of Silverlight 3.0? Offline mode and all the other nice bits, runs on Chrome and Firefox.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Oh, really? When I get something on embargo...I don't write about getting it under embargo. Come on, Robert. You're better than that. Or at least I hope you are.
- Andrew Feinberg
I agree @travis, but google make it like a news
- polou/indigo_bow
James: it doesn't matter, a company like Microsoft needs a product pipeline to remain relevant. Research lets Microsoft remain relevant and on Monday you'll see a bit of how it does that.
- Robert Scoble
OK. Google Chrome OS. Netbook makers say Linux based Netbooks have high return rates. How will people react to a Netbook that only runs a browser? Linux has remained niche.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Andrew: sometimes you have to take a risk. This is one of those times.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I will look forward to it. We ALL win when great software comes to the market. Almost nothing better in the world.
- James Watters
14 billion, maybe Office that runs on Silverlight, therefore in the browser properly.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Do you all think GoogleOS will just boot up right into the browser? Browser will be in firmware?
- Paul Salzman
BTW, Robert, will Microsoft finally dump IE and develop a Webkit based browser? (Forget Gazelle. Yet another stupid Microsoft research project that will never successfully make it mainstream.)
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Paul: no highly unlikely.
- James Watters
Dileepa: I don't know the answer to that. But the demos on Monday (I have a bunch of video coming) were shown to me in Firefox. So maybe that's our answer right there.
- Robert Scoble
James: so you think it will sit on top of Linux or something? Or just be a new flavor of Linux?
- Paul Salzman
Linux flavor of Chrome, thus far not arrived yet
- polou/indigo_bow
Paul: I'd look at Android as a precursor and say yes its going to use a google refined linux kernel, and I believe the post even says a windowing system. I'll check TC again to be sure brb.
- James Watters
Paul: I bet there will be some customization of Linux underneath Google's Chrome OS. I'm intrigued and can't wait to see what they will do with it.
- Robert Scoble
Google says the software architecture will basically be the current Chrome browser running inside “a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel.” (quoting TC)
- James Watters
I can almost bet that its web based Microsoft Office with some nifty real-time collaboration features.
- sameer
Sameer - I agree. Explains cross-browser compatability
- Daniel Lazarides
from iPhone
"a new windowing system" leaves the door open for a greater level of abstraction away from the kernel for sure. Probably still with some access to files, devices, etc on the local hardware though which a browser alone would be a clumsy solution too.
- James Watters
If Microsoft's BIG announcements are Web based Office (already demo'ed and announced), Windows Azure RTW (nothing unexpected) or Windows 7 RTM (already announced to be announced!), there is nothing that's going to surprise people on Monday then.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
I think Wave might be integrated into the OS.
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Windows7i -- the Cloud OS from MS
- Paul Salzman
Jaya: Like as a built in extension to the windowing system? Like IE and explorer?
- James Watters
@Alex Will they be able to match Open Source strategies as followed by Ubuntu,etc??
- Palak Mathur
just another rehashed disaster of windows in another marketing created packing
- Zac Bowling
Dileepa - They haven't talked much about collaboration using Office web. There was one OneNote demo that showed some realtime synchronization. I'm thinking more Wave-like realtime features.
- sameer
Zac: I'm going to believe Robert, but lets give him hell if this is marketing glossy! :)
- James Watters
Paul Salzman: Windows 7i with WGA! -- works only when accessed through IE when running on a WGA validated copy of Windows.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Dileepa: that's it, we've called it! ;)
- Paul Salzman
Robert you managed to convert a complete google night into a complete MS night :)
- Kiran Patchigolla
James: it's been a while since I've felt compelled to do more than five videos at a Microsoft press conference. See ya on Monday.
- Robert Scoble
sameer: That will be mimicking existing Google Docs feature. Google Wave is at a completely different level and I am not sure if Microsoft is up to doing something like that.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
Till Monday it is, I'm thinking I'll even blog it.
- James Watters
Wave might act as the collaboration platform on the OS. But that leads to another question. Will the OS be tied to Google accounts for login?
- Jayasimhan Masilamani
Dileepa: Let's see, I think there's potential for implementation of realtime collaboration across the web based and desktop offerings of Office that could be of big mainstream impact. It's got to be something related to Office, Robert talks about the "$14 billion business" - The only other Microsoft business I know of that's that big is Windows.
- sameer
sameer: I said that Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses. Plural, not singular, but I also said it was one of Microsoft's primary businesses. That narrows it down a bit, yes.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is a MS hardware that will shake the netbook market!!
- Krishnan Subramanian
So that's a Win7 RTM announcement, combined with Web Office. If Web Office will be free to use, the combination of W7 Starter with Web Office will be a huge notebook hit.
- Kirill Petrovsky
If ChromeOS was meant to counter MS, then the logical MS announcement would be some kind of OS project, like maybe a combination of Microsoft Singularity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ) combined with Silverlight for NetBooks or mobiles.
- Ray Cromwell
MS Web Office for sure: Scoble said it runs on Chrome and Firefox and it's a multi billion business. Actually, MS Office accounted for 18-19B $ in 2008.
- Jérôme Flipo
I fear that if the tech side of their release if good (but whatever the pricing), Google Apps isn't ready for the fight.
- Jérôme Flipo
Microsoft announces the cloud OS? I'm still not sure about a Google OS though.
- Burcu Dogan
Web Office in Silverlight, together with a mobile version that means we get Silverlight on WinMo and maybe even IPhone would be a win for me
- Ian Blackburn
I cannot wait...:-) but I DO have a clue...
- Eric Denekamp
Lots of people suggesting Office-in-browser but if that were it why would Robert be under embargo given they've already announced it and demo'd it? I'm not saying it ISN'T Office-in-browser but if it is then something doesn't add up!
- Jamie
Good point Jamie - the two primary business in MS are Office and Windows (in terms of revenue anyway), so perhaps this is more to do with a Windows OS in the cloud? How would that look?
- Ian Blackburn
Midori perhaps? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jamie
Initially, Google VS Live, Then Chrome Vs IE & Google Vs Bing, finally its Windows VS Chrome OS
- Michael_techie
Ummm... are they announcing an online version of MS Office like Google Docs?
- prolificdyslexic
that's why I do not subscribe to Scoble - too many comments on his articles, too much noise
- Павел Романовский
I don't see any noise in here. Interesting conversation!
- Robert Scoble
The MS guy at Portland Cloud Camp said Azure was going to be released very, very <wink, wink> soon. #cloudcampPDX
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
@gwalter You’re maybe right. The front end would be MS Gazelle, and the back end would be Azure.
- Bram Pitoyo
Microsoft is finally putting the Zune out of it's (and out) misery and killing it? :)
- Diego Barros
Office Web Apps release to public beta is well overdue - first promised for end of 2008. If this is embargoed then it must involve something new. ScottGu hinted that Silverlight 4 was already in development. SL3 is released this Friday. So maybe SL4 will be released,in beta with a beta of Office Web Apps showing some SL4 features (like more AIR like features)..
- Joe Wood
It seems like "too late" and illogical for Microsoft to come-up with another vendor-lock-in type innovation and expect positive results. Microsoft is not run by daredevils nor wimps. The announcement Robert talking about might be about a web based productivity application suite, which is standards compliant and offers a familiar interface and workflow for people, thus easily adoptable and steal competitors' (G, Y!, Zoho, 37S, Adobe?, etc.) user base.
- Berk D. Demir
The thing thats got me shitting my pants over all this is Games. I need Windows to play all the latest Direct X 10 and 11 games. Linux is hopeless in that regard.
- Mark
Audience in here is mainly composed of technically inclined, early adopters. We feel comfortable with online apps and mainly ready to ditch (or already ditched) many offline applications in favor of our new toys. OTOH, that's a huge paradigm shift for the other majority of less technically inclined and incomparably bigger masses. Microsoft still have the power to lead masses, create...
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- Berk D. Demir
Interesting discussion! I vote for MS Office online !
- Krishnamoorthy
I commented in istartedsomething on Long Zheng theories with this list. so why not here after having read all of Scoble responses?: Safe Guesses (not crazy): 1.- Office Ensemble (Office Web Apps + Office Live Update) and a Office 2010 public CTP (the most likely one) 2.-Microsoft Online Services gets full release along with a full release of Windows Azure while one of the new Data...
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from FriendFoo
i crammed a lot of guesses that may not have to do with the announcement so maybe robert could say warm or hot to the whole list without having to specify. :P
- Avatar X
I vaguely recollect listening to the GIllmor Gang in June/July 2008 where Robert said he'd just visited Microsoft Research and seen "an amazing new browser". If memory serves me correctly it was said in the context of mobile devices but who knows.....this may be another contender for Monday's announcement!
- Jamie
Anything related to Midori ? http://technologizer.com/2008...
- Krishnamoorthy
Microsoft has already made their counter-move to a Google OS. It's called Windows Azure. It'll serve apps to the Google OS with ease and MS will make money in the process. Yeah, I know today the money be nowhere near what the Windows OS makes, but while the Google OS is gaining traction as a desktop OS, Azure will be gaining traction as an app hosting platform for that very same Google OS and others.
- Jeff Weber
More spam news will come in. Azure, Mirot ha ha ha
- Michael_techie
just another social network (where the IE users might hang out)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Another huge innovation like renaming Bing?
- Burcu Dogan
Google is initially going after netbooks via a new OpenSource OS. If Microsoft's Next Big Thing is Azure then they are betting that a locked-in cloud-based OS will trump Google's move. It's gonna be VEHLEY INTELESTING to see this play out.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
launching online enabled MS Office, free and beta
- Павел Романовский
I really hope it's not anything Silverlight related, some one is on crack if they think the end game is everything running in a plugin in a browser.
- Scott Kahler
Tease. Tease. :)
- Charlie Anzman
Robert, they'd better have more than a few "14 billion dollar" businesses. Their market cap is 200 billion for heaven's sake.
- Stephen Pickering
sorry, have to ask. did it make you cry? :)
- dannysullivan
does this mean google=novell?
- Eran Even-Kesef
Made the news onto electricpig your announcement!
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Dr. Schmidt HAS to resign from the Apple board... too many conflicts of interest (iPhone v Android, Chrome OS v OS X, Chrome v Safari). What could he possibly be adding that can't be obtained through someone else?
- Gerald Buckley
You are in Palo Alto? I am in Mendocino. :)
- Joe
pricing of Azure will definitily be one of the announcements; not the BIG one. Office online perhaps...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Very interesting indeed. Chrome OS sounds like a great companion to Windows on a netbook+ device, for those times when you do need instant web/email. Looking forward to your videos!
- Will Johnson
Since the event on monday is WPC I'm guessing that Steve Balmer will present MS view on future of the Enterprise and showing off some of what Ray Ozzie has been working on. Coming full circle with Azure (computing infrastructure), Mesh (powering collaboration), SilverLight (future of runtime enviroments on all platforms) and of course all of this software+services has to be powered by Windows Enterprise Servers on the back end.
- Daniel Chow
Also the new Office is the first application to launch under the above stack. Scoble, did I get anywhere close to any of the embargoed announcements? :)
- Daniel Chow
Robert - Was GLADoS based on you? ;)
- Matthew DeVries
What do you think? How long will the Apple-Google Friendship last? http://friendfeed.com/applero...
- Hans Kainz
They are going to announce the release of IE 9 - the even worse with net standards addition.
- Bobby Griffith
Windows 7 Home/Business/Ultimate Netbook Edition. Each with different capabilities and things disabled for no reason other than to confuse users and make more money.
- Scott Koon
heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)
- Allen Stern
Go for it, Allen! Inquiring minds want to know!
- Rudy Amid
Well if you do know, you owe it to your readers to report the news,
- Mark
Mark - That's if you see tech journalists (which I don't think Robert even classifies himself as) as true hard hitting journalists (think woodward and burnstein, ed Murrow) or if you think of them in the vein of Sports writers. Sports writers, like tech writers, need to foster relationships and have their names known and have to cross closer into the friendzone to get us the day to day...
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- Matthew DeVries
Mark: sorry, I signed an embargo. That's the way these things go and I'm not willing to burn this relationship, sorry. You'll know on Monday. Matthew is exactly right. And even with Woodward and Burnstein, they played this game. You didn't know who Deep Throat was, even though that was news too.
- Robert Scoble
Not even going to go for the Deep Throat joke... I swear, I'm not going to... :p
- Bill Heslin
what announcement?
- kang
I didn't mean Robert should report it. I meant Allen Stern who commented he was not under an embargo. He knows it, he has no NDA, he should report it.
- Mark
RT Allen Stern "heh - i know now what the announcement is and i am not embargoed - i should make a post :)"
- Mark
I hope its not Gazelle. If it is I respect Robert for abiding by the embargo. It seems as though no one in tech abides by embargoes any more. If it is Gazelle, might as well discuss since it is all over the tech blogs already.
- Keith Beucler
As they keep it under the blanket till now! It should be software only thingy! speculations about xbox, zune phone etc are free to leave!
- Amir
It's not Gazelle. At least I don't think so, because I have no clue what Gazelle is. I'm off to find out.
- Robert Scoble
Ahh, nope, what I was thinking of is not Gazelle. But now that I see the rumors I wonder if Microsoft has more than one major announcement on Monday?
- Robert Scoble
My Guess: They enabled Live Mesh Web Desktop to run applications, So in future all applications are going to be hosted in Live Mesh
- Amir
maybe i want use chrome all day,,just for internet surfing
- qian
Hey Robert, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being an announcement that version 8.1 of IE includes a better spell-checker, and 10 being that Windows 8 is coming out in 2010 and is free, how many out of 10 is the announcement going to be in terms of having an impact?
- Mark
btw I have had this single chrome window open for about a week, and because each tab has its own process I don't get memory leaks like with firefox.
- Mark
Does unmodded, unaddon'd firefox leak?
- Matthew DeVries
Not sure to be honest
- Mark
So there could be your difference.
- Matthew DeVries
Mark: that's hard to judge. I'd say 6.9 based on how you framed it.
- Robert Scoble
Is this something that will go over well on Wall Street?
- Michael Fidler
Well, today Microsoft announced the promotion of Steven Sinofsky to president of the Windows Division.
- imabonehead
Robert ur (face) a hit today in the news outlets: http://lifehacker.com/5310444...
- polou/indigo_bow
I hope Google comes up with a great OS. I have tried any different Linux versions on my netbook but have never found the perfect one. Looks like they have connected the right partners as well so I am very excited. 9 0ut 10 for me. This could change everything
- Asgeir
TechCrunch on Scoblelizer's drumroll: "Office In Cloud Comes Monday" http://bit.ly/18sKUe
- JimmyJet
it will be a sigh of release for people come to fear those massive, massive office purchase/downloads. still a pain for when you travel and have no access online though...
- Terry O'Fee
While Google's forays in the OS and office productivity arenas are great for consumer choice, are they playing w/ fire? Google's core revenue stream is search, which has a much lower switching cost than any of MS's multiple revenue streams: Client, Office, Server. It seems like the two are pitching for a protracted fight that could be costly to both. But in a battle of attrition, it seems to me that Google could lose $ faster than MS.
- lingb
Windows ME Ultimate?
- Michael Funk
Well, it's Monday, what is the announcement about?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
MS is making Office apps online. Ala google apps. Boring.
- Rudy Amid
The loser with Google's OS announcement? Tariq Krim. He has a very cool netbook OS, Jolicloud, that won't get traction now.
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Jolicloud is a netbook OS built around social networking, but now that everyone will hang out waiting for Google's effort his system is going to find it tough to get traction. At least that's my theory. http://www.jolicloud.com/ is the web page for Jolicloud.
- Robert Scoble
Wonder if anyone disagrees with my thesis?
- Robert Scoble
i just told that to my roommate. you are right.
- mehdi
Pretty logical conclusion I'd say. But who knows, crazier stuff has happened.
- Geoff Schultz
Hate to see that happen, what if he's is the next "one"?
- James Hunter
my only problem signed up months ago still waiting for an invite I have 2 netbooks and have been looking for a good os for them
- zac_in_ak
Better question -- knowing that Google OS was an inevitability, was the hope for any real traction for Jolicloud realistic?
- Tony Hung
Nope :) It's now going to inflate the valuation of his company as investors recognise they can jump into this early new market. You only lose when no one is talking about you.
- Elias Bizannes
...unless m$ buys out the company to compete in the netbook OS wars.
- imabonehead
Jolicloud is in a good place - acquisition by another big player?
- Matt Mastracci
If it is a truly amazing product it will find a way to succeed.
- Geoff Schultz
I'll have to give it a try. I don't like Ubuntu Remix
- Peter Warnock
His favorite letters might be I,P and O
- James Hunter
interesting with this Google OS thing. so many alternatives. I so want to write my own OS/distro like this Jolicould when I have extra free time.
- Zac Bowling
OUCH - that will surely cause pain for Jolicloud ... 1st to market is soooo key for success
- Susan Beebe
I can see smaller/lighter netbooks, specifically smartbooks running snapdragon & linux, running Google OS
- Rodfather
Susan, counterpoint: look at Classmates vs. Friendster vs. Facebook
- Matt Mastracci
i am not into the netbook market, just thinking to build my own little netbook from old laptop when its getting older.
- polou/indigo_bow
I do not think we are ready for a Cloud OS. I think a cloud workspace maybe but not a full os.
- Dave Mora
Susan: I thought Google OS won't come until second half of 2010. Jolicloud will get here earlier. By the way, being first isn't always a good path to success. Being a fast follower often means more success.
- Robert Scoble
google OS netbooks will come out in 2010 os will be available sooner
- zac_in_ak
I started to say I've already gotten my netbook, but then I remembered I'm waiting for the one from Asus.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Everyone is honestly a little netbook crazy. under powered pieces of crap that annoy the hell out of me. I agree with Apple with not targeting this area.
- Zac Bowling
There will be at least comparison with jolicloud. And this is a good point for him.
- Frédéric Sidler
from iPhone
Sory I do not know both products but, both Google OS and Jolicloud are open source? Whoever convince more HW manufacturers to bundle on their netbook than wins (probably Google). Than there is a clear loser here Microsoft. If alternative devices get traction over PC/notebook, MS monopoly on desktop may erode. Well this may well take 10-15 years :)
- Kaan Bingol
Well once us normal people can get our hands on it... he has at least a year or so until we can touch Google's OS.
- Dean Clark
Some of the apps are social in nature, but enough aren't (WINE, VLC, DropBox, etc.) that it doesn't feel like the social aspect is all Tariq is going for. I think he's (wisely) targeted the most popular web apps that just happen to be somewhat social in nature. Who knows? There may be room for both. Just because it comes from Google doesn't mean it'll be a hit (*cough*ORKUT*cough*)
- Brian Baggett
SaaS_OS comes in and derails M$ desktop consumer marketshare.
- C. Jason Mancebo
Tariq Krim will probably need to refocus his efforts and figure out the niche for Jolicloud.
- Loren
Maybe Google should buy Jolicloud and rename it as Chrome OS? They did it with doubleclick and others in the past, why not now?
- Hans Kainz
That's assuming Google Chrome OS will take off ... remember Google Notebook, Google Answers etc ;)
- Nicholas James
I seriously doubt the world is going to breathlessly wait around well into 2010 for Chrome. Sounds like another Linux Dist. put out by a co. that keeps products in beta for years.
- JimmyJet
JimmyNet: Its another Linux dist by the biggest online company out there...using Linux. That's something Ubuntu and Canonical cannot achieve. It also depends on how Chrome OS develops. Right now, it seems to be basically a way to get into the browser and use web-apps, nothing more. That's nothing like current Linux big boys Ubuntu/Fedora who are more like Windows/Mac OS in their structure. Google Chrome OS lives and dies by web-apps, so it seems and that is a double-edged sword.
- Manuel Mas
Was intrigued by Jolicloud and wanted to find out more.....but as soon as I heard about Google Chrome OS, I have to admit I totally forgot about Jolicloud!
- Bonnie Foster
Not sure. If Tariq delivers on the Jolicloud promise, he only needs a couple of telco/operator deals to get bootstrap. Operators are probably happy to have something that can compete with Windows 7 because it will help them negotiate lower license prices. Plus tariq has room to innovate by through better integration with all the best of breed services users/operators really care about. They just raise 4.2M so I would not call them dead until they had the chance to fully launch Jolicloud.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
My company was in the same kind of trouble when Microsoft decided to deliver a product which was doing the same as ours. Microsoft did not sell a single license of it in France, but a lot of our historical partners shifted their attention to Microsoft product. It took them 2 years to discover the product was so flawed that even Microsoft shops would not buy it ... It has hurt us but we survived the storm and are still a proud Microsoft partner :)
- Christophe Pierret
Scoble Surfing
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Yesterday I went surfing, thanks Luke Kilpatrick for taking me out in huge waves. It’s not as easy as it looks and I’m sore today. Oh, and this is a test of FriendFeed’s email feature. I just sent this to share@friendfeed.com and we’ll see if it goes up.
- Robert Scoble
from email
So does this mean you're breaking your week-long FF/Twitter fast? ;)
- Brett Kelly
Liked that you went surfing, but incredulous that it took you this long to try share@
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Wow that looks like fun and share@friendfeed.com worked perfectly
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Just for a minute. This is a cool feature.
- Robert Scoble
GREAT!!!!!
- Ronald
so where is your iphone and video camera crew :p
- Darren Stuart
If the yo dawg memeage wasn't DEAD <wink> there would be a surfing while you surf thing going on here =)
- Micah Wittman
Darren: this was taken with Luke's Palm Pre. Who needs an iPhone? OK, I'm outta here. Just needed a quick hit of Real Time web to keep me going. I was starting to twitch there for a second. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Very groovy Indeed!
- MrGroove
I used the feature yesterday, it didn't work for me. I tried twice though.
- Tibor Holoda
Awesome!
- zedomax
Let's see some Scoble-diving
- Danny
Did you go out at Mavericks? I hear that place legendary, and deadly!
- dthree
How tall is that board? Or are you under 4 foot tall? :)
- Patrick Jordan
at least Robert looks like a fish
- Thomas Power
nice board Robert
- Miguel Rodriguez
Tibor: it will only work properly if you're sending from on of the email addresses that you have on file and verified in your FF account. Double check and make sure you it was the correct address and that the same address shows as 'verified' in FF.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Robert, try sending a voice memo to share@ from your new iPhone. The quality is amazing and it attaches in FriendFeed, just like photos. I'm told soon they'll stream straight from here as well.
- Jesse Stay
Ha, Scoble doing Mavericks, um hum!
- JimmyJet
Appears to be a longboard, has a wood laminate look.
- JimmyJet
Tina: Thanks, but i did check that. Used two verified addresses of mine, none of them worked. Strange.
- Tibor Holoda
Cool, don't give up, surf every day you can. You will love it!
- Eduardo Sasso
That's a nice ride! And lol @ thinking any surfer would take a newbie to Maverick's. I doubt I could even swim out to the break at Maverick's, let alone ride any waves, but scoble's more badass than I.
- Lo
Nice! I just came back from my first lesson in Pacifica, loved it!
- Yousef
One of those 'tiny' waves at Mavericks http://bit.ly/qXFTT
- JimmyJet
Robert! So this is like twitpic for FriendFeed? Yahoo! I gotta get this set up on my CrackBerry for the weekend! Mahalo dude! Enjoy the waves and keep practicing... for Hawaii!
- Arleen Anderson
me surfing (http://picasaweb.google.com/stephan...). you know, just in case this becomes a meme.
- Kelly Norton
The board is a 9'4' Jeff Hakman, Hawaiian Pro Design, it is a wood veneer, but real wood none the less. It is a Surftech epoxy wood series. Check it out - http://www.surftech.com/tech... - I took Robert out to the Half Moon Bay Jetty, it was supposed to be small but a great south swell hit at about 6pm. I tell the whole story here http://www.lukek.ca/?p=348
- Luke Kilpatrick
Peter: I would love to join the geek dawn patrol in SC, I try and surf SC once a week. Mind sending me a dm with details? I will do my best to bring Robert as well.
- Luke Kilpatrick
I think that it is a Hakman board and a sweet one at that. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Well I'll be darned, I thought from the pic it was a classic board. Thanks for the link and info Luke.
- jcunwired
Rumor is (read it on TMZ) that the board in the pic is a short board.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Mathew: My mistake, the name is usually so covered with wax that I misspell it. I love this board and it seems to be the one in the photo of every person I take surfing with me, I think I have about 6 different people in the same pose as Robert with that board.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Nice board, wetsuit and booties Robert - but Luke says you have a big stick, whats the connection?
- Geer
awesome board
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
Geer: Surfing has its own language, that has never really been fully captured by the mainstream. A stick is simply a surfboard, a big stick is a long board (aka a board over 9ft). A common phrase is "wax up the stick and go catch some swell" which to many non-surfers wouldn't mean much but to a surfer its the best part of the day.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Luke: you mean surfing like in these pics? http://picasaweb.google.com/giseke...
- Geer
Geer: Sorry, didn't look too closely at your profile, Awesome waves! The ones at the Princeton Jetty last night were close to head high and closing out hard, those look just perfect overhead with nice offshores. Jealous! Send some of that swell, water and winds to CA please. @surfergrrrl, one of my best surfing buddies is goofy foot and insanely jealous that you NZ guys have Raglan. There isn't a left point break here of any quality for hundreds of miles. Santa Cruz is land of the right.
- Luke Kilpatrick
I have been liking this website. http://www.surf-forecast.com/
- Mathew A. Koeneker
read somewhere there's a motherboard with a webcam
- Peter Harris
Mathew: http://magicseaweed.com is also a good site
- Geer
did i mention i live in maui hawaii? suckas ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Kowabunga dude!
- Mark Essel
I have never been surfing before. Something for my Bucket list, I guess
- Kreg Steppe
Luke, tks. for board info. Scobleizer kicked off a great thread. Love the water, surf music, beach scene.
- JimmyJet
Kreg: If you are ever in SF send me a dm or email. Always happy to take people out and get them worked on a bit by the pacific.
- Luke Kilpatrick
I miss Robert on here, place seems quiet.
- Mark
Btw, every time i look at the picture i see Robert with a giant banana ;)
- Tibor Holoda
I see gdgt.com has launched but has crashed. Isn't it a rackspace account?
- Mark
Mark: only live.gdgt.com is hosted at Rackspace. gdgt.com is not. http://www.whoishostingthis.com/gdgt... shows that.
- Robert Scoble
Awesome Rob, the bit Rackspace hosts performs perfectly and the part it doesn't fails epically ;)
- Mark
There is an account waiting for the taking their Robert. I remember the Apple coverage, the pages loaded INSTANTLY even with millions of users.
- Mark
YES! i heard of Arrington surfing on his vacation to Hawaii....now @scobleizer ! Hell yeah...glad you had fun...hopefully this catches on as it is very therapeutic ....Surf off between tech leaders!
- shayne catrett
Sakesocial.com - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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We are tasting Sake with the owner of http://www.sakesocial.com Bo Timken. You will see this show soon on http://www.winelibrary.tv -- one of the best shows ever.
- Robert Scoble
Great find - Thanks
- Victor Ryden
Gary V. rocks, nice guy! Sake.
- JimmyJet
Thanks to everyone who attended the Building43 launch event at TechCrunch last night (and to TechCrunch for hosting it). If you have photos or videos, please post them here: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Thanks for sharing I have been going through Building43 all morning and really like the content - great for working with business to help them see the importance of social media.
- Robert Freeze
We filmed some live videos at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer Part I: http://www.kyte.tv/ch... Part II: http://www.kyte.tv/ch... Part III: http://www.kyte.tv/ch...
- Robert Scoble
Rick Bucich of Tiny Prints has a ton of great photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert! - looks like Scott got some better pics. Difficult to photograph with a 1D body with a drink in the other hand. Had to kick up the iso to compensate.
- Rick Bucich
Enjoyed the live video segments. This is why the Net is great, enables us to 'virtually' be there.
- JimmyJet
I wasn't on the email list, so I missed it. I'm busy prepping for vid-record-following Michael Jordan around 18-holes of golf at the Celebrity PRO-AM in Reno in July. Doing a lot of exer-cycling to avoid cramps. Testing out a Sony HDR-FX1 full 1080i camcorder, picture quality is breathtakingly gorgeous. This is not your father's 8mm film camera Robert S.!
- Nicholas Chase
For Facebook aficionados, I have the photos on my profile as well for tagging purposes. http://www.facebook.com/profile...
- Rick Bucich
Yesterday Rackspace renamed @Mosso to "the Rackspace Cloud." Makes my job easier in evangelizing Rackspace to startups. More here:
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more where? also always been curious why there isn't a real resell option with rackspace
- chris demeyere
One of the advantages that's winning us business is we can offer both traditional and cloud based hosting to businesses at the same time on the same network in the same datacenter with the same great support (lower latency and other advantages). This makes it clearer and makes Rackspace's cloud offerings easier to explain as part of the Rackspace family.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: whenever I say "more here" you gotta give me a few seconds to type. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You have had a "Powered by the Rackspace Cloud" button on your blog for a while. This move was anticipated.
- Louis Gray
Here's a search on friendfeed I use to track what people are saying about Rackspace: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
I see there are a few people bummed that we're moving away from the Mosso name. Yeah, that had more personality, but it's hard to explain what that is and how it fit into the Rackspace family.
- Robert Scoble
good call, everytime i talk about mosso i usually add that they are a rackspace company. Rackspace has a strong brand and is the best hosting company IMO. Only thing left to make them perfect is to have an un-managed dedicated hosting option too.
- Diego Sana
Will BizSpark startups be able to benefit of the BizSpark licensing with the R Cloud ? as they do today with Rackspace ?
- Julien Codorniou
I agree with robert - as a customer evangelist its much easier to explain
- andy brudtkuhl
also the brand recognition in IT for the Rackspace name is high - this adds a correlation that creates more trust
- andy brudtkuhl
"Robert and Rocky will push us. Like Robert pushed Microsoft, he will make us uncomfortable. He will praise our competitors and point out our missteps. But, he will force us to get better. He will force us to embrace the future and the commitment required to getting there. "
- David Lloyd
"and if it all goes wrong he will bugger off to YET ANOTHER new company in 18 months!" hehehe, love you really Robby xx
- David Lloyd
@Robert - as a rackspace/mosso customer I am happy about this, as I found the Mosso brand confusing during my account signup process and when i needed service...
- Jeremy Toeman
Mark: I lasted three years at Microsoft. Rackspace is an even better company. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Good move, never heard of 'Mosso' <you gotta give me a few seconds to type> Hee, they want it, and they want it NOW!!
- JimmyJet
So if, Robert, you "will praise our competitors", it would be interesting to know your comparative view of the Rackspace Cloud services. As far as I can tell, in this market, Amazon has the ball and is running far ahead of everyone else.
- John W Lewis
John: Amazon is ahead of everyone else in a lot of ways. Where we have an advantage is that we provide both traditional and new cloud hosting. Amazon only provides cloud. That might not sound like a big deal, but we've won quite a bit of business lately away from Amazon because companies often do need both. Even new companies like 12seconds.tv run both a traditional server and cloud, so...
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- Robert Scoble
I've also seen companies which get good use of the NVidia CUDA facilities, using the graphics card CPU to offload computational tasks like video transcoding. Virtualized servers don't allow this. Having real servers for heavy lifting, plus spinning up instances in the cloud on demand, is a good combination.
- DGentry
Unclear why people would be upset or surprised by this. Rackspace has a great brand and a great reputation. It is silly not to utilize that. Anyway, everytime I said Mosso I had to follow it w/ the Rackspace Cloud anyway. Now I have one less word I have to use - always a good thing ;)
- JP Maxwell
Great example was Peter & Ryan's (formally from engadget & gizmodo) running their new live blogging platform on Mosso for the WWDC http://live.gdgt.com/ evert. Props to Rackspace, it never died or paused once!
- sean andersen
Smart branding move! simplicity FTW!
- Susan Beebe
We moved Nambu, tr.im and pic.im over to Mosso and Rackspace a month or so ago and have been generally happy with them for our couple dozen servers. However their UI for managing virtual servers needs a fair bit of work, not as good as Slicehost (a Rackspace co as well, just with un-needed bandwidth for us).
- Gersham Meharg
We are official! T-shirts and stickers and Techcrunch party tomorrow! Picture and more: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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That is Rob LaGesse showing off our new shirts -- in Silicon Valley you don't actually need to ship anything as long as you have a cool T- shirt. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Nice! Want!
- Jesse Stay
Great shirt!
- Gregg Morris
I'd really love to be there with you!
- Gabriele Cazzulini
Jesse: the stickers are even cooler. Metallic.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, awesome, I'll take one of each please. ;-)
- Jesse Stay
What is this all about?
- Rutger Blom
definitely want one of them shirts! nice!
- erik yuzwa
I want, I want
- andy brudtkuhl
Hook it up brotha
- Ryan Erickson
can't attend, would love to get some stickers though. Is there going to be a place to order some?
- Chris Pugh
Rutger: we launch tomorrow. Building43 is a community for people fanatical about the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: we still have to figure that out. Stay tuned.
- Robert Scoble
Looking forward to the launch. Any word on whether or not the shirts will be available to order?
- Matt Wolpin
Matt: we are working on that. Stay tuned.
- Robert Scoble
way 2 cool! want autographed t-shirt, please!
- glfceo
Good luck with the launch!
- Kawika Holbrook
Can't wait to see what you guys have built. Been looking forward to this since the announcement.
- Chris Pugh
Want some schwag! I hope you guys can figure out a way to get them out to people across the country (and world)!
- Brandon Titus
Tomorrow is the big day, can't wait...
- Eran Even-Kesef
so how much cooler does one get for putting a building 43 sticker on their laptop
- Eran Even-Kesef
I would <3 some stickers and a t-shirt!
- Ric Johnson
Quick Question for FriendFeeders! When I signed up FriendFeed allowed me to auto subscribe to all the Twitter Accounts I was following. Is there a way for me to run that function again?
- Jason Pollock
Jason: sure thing. Click "Browse/edit friends" in the "Friends" sidebar. Then click "Find/Invite Friends" on the next screen, and you should see the Twitter option. ** Edit ** Or, just go here: http://friendfeed.com/friends...
- Nick Wade
nick: thanks dude
- Jason Pollock
Getting excited! Good luck with the launch!
- Account Name
Rackspace had a great presence at SXSW 2009. A few pics on Flickr at http://bit.ly/18TCB7 They gave out nice Tee's and even socks too.
- JimmyJet
Where is the TechCrunch Party?
- Cheri
Investigation pending on death of Stanford computer science professor and Google mentor Rajeev Motwani - San Jose Mercury News - http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_1254...
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Wow. I wondered why no one reported how he died. What a tragedy. He made a huge contribution to the technology world.
- Robert Scoble
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I did read that he had an accidental drowning death and did not know how to swim at age 47. The situation seems odd.
- Louis Gray
Initial coverage said he may have gotten disoriented and fallen in the pool, but that seems implausible.
- Louis Gray
Link seems broken...here's the bitly version: http://bit.ly/LwOUR
- Elliott Ng
"Home Accident" sounded odd.
- JimmyJet
Jimmy: it's a really tragic accident. Too bad he didn't have those swimming lessons earlier.
- Robert Scoble
Damn. Today is the anniversary of Larry Lamotte's death in a riptide in Florida. Drownings claim way too many lives. This is really sad.
- Karoli
My cousin Colleen died today - liver cancer - non drinker - way bummed out
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so sorry
- Erin @queenofspain
My condolences, Rocky.
- Ayşe E.
I'm sorry for your loss.
- joey
Sorry to hear that Rocky. And just on our biggest week ever.
- Robert Scoble
my condolences, rocky
- imabonehead
Very sorry Rocman, hard to understand why these things happen.
- JimmyJet
I'd also like to offer my condolences
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
You have my prayers and my condolences.
- Thunderwing
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Condolences. Sorry to hear about your cousin Colleen.
- Loren Heiny
Mr Barbanica Im so sorry this happened.Im a complete stranger I know but when I read this my heart goes out to you and the family.
- earl wallace
Awww, that's so sad :(
- DarknessFalls
I am sorry to hear that.
- Nation Hahn
I'm making a list of hundreds of people. In checking that list on Facebook I learned 10% or so don't put their email address there. Why?
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Because they don't understand their privacy controls can protect them from the wrong people getting it
- Jesse Stay
Facebook is AWESOME as a rolodex. But some refuse to put their email address in there. Why? Facebook has made it pretty hard to get your data out of there (I have to manually retype addresses into other systems like Gmail or Outlook) and because you have control of who sees your stuff anyway, it seems pretty lame not to put your contact info in there.
- Robert Scoble
Because they are brought up in tradition that displaying your e-mail address on the web is "a bad thing"
- Jesse Stay
I'm paranoid, so I don't.
- Danny Minick
Probably the same group of people that does not put their picture up on facebook and hence have a book without a face?
- Peter Simoons
Jesse: yeah, and these are all early adopters/influencer/entrepreneur types. Even some journalists (how do you guys get story leads, anyway?)
- Robert Scoble
Maybe because they think that Facebook's private inbox is enough as a first interaction.
- Nir Ben Yona
Danny paranoid about what?
- Jesse Stay
Aren't e-mail addresses on Facebook obsfucated in that they are done as images?
- Alx Klive
Peter: nah, most of my friends put their picture in there.
- Robert Scoble
I'm surprised you found that many (90% show their email to friends on FB). It's a skew in your sample. But you're right, people shouldn't be concerned about it.
- Kevin Werbach
My email getting into the wrong hands.
- Danny Minick
Alx, yes, they're images, and protected by privacy settings
- Jesse Stay
Danny so you think people can steal your e-mail by having your e-mail address?
- Jesse Stay
Facebook doesn't teach it's users anything. If they taught them just a tiny bit about the privacy settings people would be so much more comfortable.
- Shawn Hickman
People don't understand the system, and assume that their email address can get out if they put it up.
- Adam Pilbeam
No i'm preventing more spam email. I have plenty as it is.
- Danny Minick
Danny: my email has been on my blog for years. I don't get much spam.
- Robert Scoble
Danny, who is going to get your e-mail address? Only your friends can see it, and it's an image, not text
- Jesse Stay
Danny, or, better yet, gmail filters it all out for me.
- Robert Scoble
And what Robert said - my e-mail address is up, with a link and plain text on my blog as well. I don't get much spam either.
- Jesse Stay
Doesn't matter. I don't want them to have my email address.
- Danny Minick
Remember that the group of people who join Facebook is not the same as the people who join, say, FriendFeed. For example, I found one senior citizen in my list of Facebook suggested friends; this is a person who would never join Twitter or FriendFeed, but for some reason had decided to join Facebook. (The person joined Facebook at the urging of a Tea Party organizer; perhaps that puts...
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- John E. Bredehoft
The idea that if you display your e-mail address on your blog you get spam is a complete myth
- Jesse Stay
Danny your paranoia sounds pretty unfounded then
- Jesse Stay
John: my list only includes tech industry people. So I'm sure the number of people who put emails on Facebook among general population is lower.
- Robert Scoble
You understand this Robert. "Hmm email; that is the sort of thing you'd use to send a thank you letter ... to your friend's ... parents" ... Oh and SPAM !
- John W Lewis
I don't care how it sounds. No one is going to convince me otherwise. :/
- Danny Minick
Danny must love getting Facebook messages. But because I don't have his email he can't get invited to whatever I'm sending invites out about. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I get more spam on Facebook mail than I do my own e-mail
- Jesse Stay
Robert I won't get invites anyway because I can't be your friend on Facebook :-(
- Jesse Stay
Robert I need to add you to Facebook before even that. LOL
- Danny Minick
Jesse: I know where to find you! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's why I put my e-mail address on my blog :-)
- Jesse Stay
Might assume too, that FB gets used for closer knit groups that may already have email addresses shared amongst themselves, at least in a lot of cases...but with so many privacy customizations available, there's no excuse not to have the info up there, and release it to whom you will.
- Adam Pilbeam
What's the list for Robert?
- Alx Klive
@Scobleizer is really Santa. It's true.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Robert, if you're giving invites to Google Wave, i'm willing to put my email address on SF Golden Gate Bridge.
- Nir Ben Yona
I'm not sure Danny's position is "paranoia." I have a number of friends with years of Tech experience in Silicon Valley who are very protective of any sort of personal information. They're as well-informed as anyone about the benefits and potential problems, yet they perceive their personal information as something they *give* to selected individuals, not something that's published. If...
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- Mistletoe Glen
It is likely that people tend to join the first service that their friends suggest to them, and then stick with it until the need to switch becomes obvious. I started on CompuServe !! and then discovered that there was a thing called (Internet) email.
- John W Lewis
Grayson I get more of that on Facebook than off :-)
- Jesse Stay
Glen hit the nail on the head. He is absolutely right. A handful of people have my email address, everyone else gets contact.dannyminick@gmail.com, which is my public account.
- Danny Minick
Danny, so why not put that on your Facebook profile?
- Jesse Stay
....Good point, Jesse. LMAO (goes to login to facebook)
- Danny Minick
Robert's making a list, he's checking it twice. He's gonna find out who's naughty or nice...
- David Owens
Robert: In Feb there was this post on All Facebook http://www.allfacebook.com/2009... I know lots of folk around here spoke about limiting contact info to just close contacts after this
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Robert seems to have (inadvertently?) started a mini research project on use cases for the adoption of Internet communication services.
- John W Lewis
Peter, I control that, too, but I always want to provide some way for people to contact me
- Jesse Stay
Alx Klive: Our Building43 launch event. Unfortunately I only have space for about 150 people, so I'm forced into a bit of elitism. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Because some of the people I know on facebook are num-nuts
- Asgeir
1. Paranoia 2. Spam 3. Ignorance ... Did I miss any other reasons?
- Happy
A lot of people that follow you, Robert, are early adopters and technical types and yet still the FB privacy seems a mystery to some. Sound like it needs fixing to me.
- Scott Kingery
Jess have to agree not being able to contact someone easily can be rather frustrating
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Scoble's making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out that 10% are naughty not nice.
- Davis Freeberg
Based on the comments here, unless I am mistaken, everyone is making the same assumption: that these people use email. Although probably much less true of Robert's intended invitees, many Gen Z's (or the iGeneration or whatever) use Facebook, MSN, (Skype?), etc., but not email.
- John W Lewis
@Davis Nice one
- Asgeir
I think Facebook is considered nowadays like YouTube before. For serious messaging people use Twitter, Skype or PM like the one I use on http://www.cagora.ws
- Marc Plancke
People fear spam
- Louis Gray
People fear what they don't understand
- Shawn Hickman
Yeah, I am also 'old school' about privacy, posting e-mail addy, etc. Very out of touch am I :-)!
- JimmyJet
<Our Building43 launch event.> Please post video and narrative for the non-150 crowd, tks.
- JimmyJet
I for one think it is the spam. I have not seen 1 filter set that effectively clears my spam problem completely and consistently. Even on FB I use a throwaway email that I screen for valid emails from FB. Anything valid gets forwarded to my real mailbox. Complicated, I know, but it has been effective on reducing my spam level from all the websites that I have accounts on.
- Manuel Arroyo
*sing* You're making a list? Did you check it twice? Gonna find out who's noisy or nice.. Santa Scoble is coming.. to town. ;)
- Daynah
It's a privacy thing Robert. You wouldn't put your phone number on your blog now, would you? ;-)
- Patrick Mackaaij
FB profile = family and friends FB Pages = Spaceship Earth and low flying planets. My question is why do you need to put your email on Facebook? And why do you ask Robert? Do you feel strongly that people should? Dean
- Deano @ Byron New Media
Byron: If you want to be invited to my fun parties you've gotta make yourself easy to get ahold of! So, yes, I feel strongly that people should put their email addresses on their Facebook profiles. I do, and I put my cell phone there too, and it's led to some great experiences over the years.
- Robert Scoble
Until I figure out my spam issues, I really need to think about giving out email addresses in only on my own website and blog. Even with that, I wonder why I am getting so much spam still, :(
- polou/indigo_bow
polou: it doesn't matter how public or private you are, you still get about the same amount of spam. I just use Gmail and it does a pretty good job of filtering most of it out.
- Robert Scoble
Have had no problems with spam since switching to all Gmail. I didn't originally put email address on FaceBook for privacy reasons but that seems a little ridiculous in retrospect since that's obviously the last thing on my mind by being online in the first place.
- Mike Elliott
If you're worried about spam, set up an OtherInbox account. Perhaps my most useful app. I have NOTHING to do with them, but I really swear by their product.
- Mark Edwards
I'm afraid of spammers and identity theft. I signed up for Crederity to verify my digital credentials and to stand apart from fake users. http://www.crederity.com
- Michael_techie
If I list my email on there, I get spammed with crap I dont want or need.
- krystyl
Liked sum of the recommends here, therefore should try some of the new implementations, which I haven't done. I think the phone thing, ah, not there yet. Lets get the handle of email first.
- polou/indigo_bow
bc emails are starting to be OUT. Twitter IN. Maybe Wave will be IN too in 201x...
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
Thomas Hawk, are you jealous yet? The bloggers embark on the USS Nimitz. Photos. Tons of them: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Many more to come. By the way, the Navy wants to do another trip with social media people. My first recommendation to them? Thomas Hawk. He'd do a lot better than I did. Of course he'd have to drag along a 600 mm F4.0 lens (big ass lens) to get closer than I did. More photos coming in a few minutes (and some videos too).
- Robert Scoble
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Sorry for the duplication, I messed up. Heheh. Thanks Louis for the like twice.
- Robert Scoble
Ready to enlist?
- Andrew Leyden
Robert - How heavy is that huge lens?
- Susan Beebe
People laughed when I brought my 600 mm F4.0 lens (I rented it) on board. They aren't laughing anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: heavy. And I hauled it up a TON of stairs.
- Robert Scoble
I am so jealous you have no idea!
- Loic Le Meur
Andrew: I almost went into the Marines for six years as a photographer.
- Robert Scoble
Loic: you should go on the next trip. It's unbelieveable. It's like Davos but muliplied by 100x.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, it looks really impressive. What about the water? How do you protect it from harmful sea salt water?
- Susan Beebe
Loic: there's nothing like being 10 feet from an F-18 being catapulted off. Wait until you see the video.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: the water is 40 feed beneath the deck. I never even tasted salt. I see more salt in Half Moon Bay. What you have to worry about is hitting lenses when walking up the stairs and jet wash.
- Robert Scoble
On the trip was a former F-18 pilot too, so he helped a lot in our understanding.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - unfortunately you'll never get to see the F-14 at night, which was always something amazing. If possible, get close to an EA-6B on the Cat, it will rattle your teeth and you'll feel it in your gut (I worked on the flightdeck for 10 years as part of the COD crew).
- Vince DeGeorge
Stairwells are steep and narrow. My brother was a Navy Seal on that ship stationed in SD. Very cool rig! He was a medical rescue diver - jumped down out of helicopters to soldiers injured at sea and brought them back up for transport
- Susan Beebe
Get Thomas Hawk on there asap! :)
- Susan Beebe
Vince: I think we saw one of those, but we saw so many planes land and take off that I lost track. I'm back in the hotel. It was one of those experiences that very few people get to have and it totally changed my life. More on how later. It was a great thing to do just after Memorial Day.
- Robert Scoble
Pavan: out of all the experiences I've had, this is the one that sticks in my mind as the most interesting. Both because it was extraordinarily cool, but also because it is a huge responsibility. I was the eyes and ears for a huge number of tax payers, and seeing how their (my) money is being spent is interesting and a large responsibility.
- Robert Scoble
I can tell you - working on the flight deck, the excitement was ALWAYS there... I never got used to it. Of course, it's not exactly somewhere you want to feel comfortable. For any who haven't seen it, go here: http://www.pbs.org/weta... and watch Carrier. It appears they have the full episodes. Memories... now I'm ready to go back in!!!
- Vince DeGeorge
Robert, also remember, that most of that responsibility falls on kids barely out of high school. The military builds character and trains you like no other corporation in the world. A modern day manager with a $3 mil budget? Ha, how about an 18 year old kid that is responsible for a $30 mil dollar aircraft and the lives of those inside?
- Vince DeGeorge
Yes I'm jealous. Why was I not invited??? LOL Awesome you got to Robert. Truly fantastic!
- Sheryl
Those are some stellar shots you got Robert.
- Jason Hansen
This was a PR event put on by the Navy I take it?
- David Lloyd
Show the world what a modern service it is now and how they are all up on blogging and stuff for recruitment? :p
- David Lloyd
jealous yes, looks great
- Kim Landwehr
Vince: the sailors I talked to didn't like the PBS special. They said they only put on disgruntled employees. Mark: yes, they fly VIPs, bloggers, journalists onto the carrier for these embarks so that they can get the word out about what the carrier is like. Pavan: thanks, I'm still uploading.
- Robert Scoble
WOW. I can't wait to see the video.
- Schneider Mike
Robert, I agree - they didn't exactly put on the best sailors, but it did give VERY GOOD insight to what carrier life is like. You have to see through some of the drama (though, believe me - there IS that drama in the Navy). I don't know, I may have a different skew on things. I wasn't what was called "Boat Chuck" - I was aviation, which is a little different world - even further, I was CODs, making it even more so.
- Vince DeGeorge
The video will be up after dinner. I got more than 100 photos up to look at in the meantime.
- Robert Scoble
Robert awesome pix. what lenses did u bring? 70-200 IS, wide angle, 600 mm, can u give us a list of what u used? easier than going into "more properties" on Flickr for a ton of photos
- Elliott Ng
I had a 16-35 F2.8 L Series, a 70-200 F2.8 L Series, and a 600 mm F4.0 L Series. I also had a 50 F1.4 for the night stuff.
- Robert Scoble
check out this thread i just started on friendfeed.. we're up to 150 comments now! http://ff.im/3pYjK
- Jason Pollock
Looks like that 600mm came in handy! I'm green with envy. Looks like a great opportunity and everyone had a blast.
- Jim Goldstein
Nice Photos Scobleizer!
- JimmyJet
Awesome! Sign me up! Love it! Great photos!
- Thomas Hawk
Did they let you shoot anywhere you wanted or were some areas off limits?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: only two things were off limits: the nuclear power plant and the room where they were playing war games. Everything else was OK to shoot.
- Robert Scoble
very cool. What a fantastic opportunity to shoot. Loved the photos, faved a bunch of them.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm available to cadie
- Mrsth
Civil jealousy. Must be so awesome. Your a Navy Lottery winner.
- Harry
Harry. This beats a private tour of the White House. My connectivity sucks so can't get the videos up until tonight.
- Robert Scoble
I'm going on the USS Nimitz in a few hours with a bunch of bloggers/geeks. I will not be online during the next 40 hours. Details here:
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Track the group: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Who's going? @pamslim @jenniferjones @GuyKawasaki @TheBloggess @scobleizer @neplex @techmama @jenleo @jbruin @sernovitz #nimitz
- Robert Scoble
40 hours? That's extreme! :) Have a great trip!
- Jemm
So lone sailors on round the world jaunts, and explorers walking to the north pole or kayaking round the Norwegian fjiords are able to keep blogs up to date but the US Navy has no internet?
- Gilbert Harding
Gilbert: the US Navy has very limited internet. Remember, there's 6,000 people aboard the ship and satellite communication is expensive and limited. So, we might be able to sneak on for a few minutes, but probably not,
- Robert Scoble
That sounds awesome. Have a safe trip Robert et al!
- Eric Nakagawa
Here's Guy Kawasaki's photos from a trip he took on board last year: http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2008...
- Robert Scoble
Robert. OK that's cool, just remember we're all going to get Scoble withdrawal symptoms. Have fun, don't forget the dramamine.
- Gilbert Harding
FF will never be the same (for the duration of 40 hrs).
- Ton Zijp
Have a great time. Looking forward to the shots you come back with.
- Thomas Hawk
if you go back to 1941, don't be bummed you can't change anything; just enjoy it
- RAPatton
"the US Navy has very limited internet" One would think they might have decent SAT provided net, maybe you will have better checked this out on your '3 hour Gilligan's Island tour' and report back!
- JimmyJet
Oh no!!! The Scobe won't be online!!! Whatever shall we do???
- Mike Shields
Have fun!
- Jeremiah Owyang
See if they'll let you shoot one of the cannons....just once
- John kowal
Scoble offline for 40 hours. At hour 39, would love to have video of his withdrawal attack.
- Curt Mercadante
Maybe he's in the brig... I don't think you get wireless in the brig..
- Jesse Newhart
i have a feeling robert, et al are going through internet withdrawals about now. lol
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
No wonder everything has slowed down :)
- Justin Long
It's like Scoble hit the pause button. :)
- Norbert Evenich
scoble doesn't know what he's missing right this second. heh :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I remember when the Nimitz was christened back in 1972!
- De
I have lots of Bing hype on http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... Finally Microsoft has a decent search platform
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I think Google pulled off a massive press hijacking to be honest
- Zee.
Is it available then?
- Kol Tregaskes
It looks very powerful..should be fun to have serious competition..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Expectations are high, and the hype is certainly there as well....not limited to FF
- Clifford Kennedy
Kol: Not yet - http://www.bing.com/ComingSoon
- Clifford Kennedy
Thanks, Clifford. So like Google Wave I'll wait on any opinion until we can actually use it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Have any Bing preview codes laying around? *wink wink* :)
- xxdesmus
It's long overdue
- Michael Fidler
I would have to agree with Zee; Google stole the day with their announcement of Wave
- Michael Fidler
I'm have a hard time caring about anything MS does; it mostly stinks.
- Chris Spizzirri
GOOG Wave did not steal the day PR wise, as Bing actually rolls out for broad use early June, so should be a new hype round then - for the less geeky set though!
- JimmyJet
video on http://www.decisionengine.com/Default... doesn't work on my Chrome. Hopefully, Bing'll work great on every browser. Trying to lock it with IE, as they are doing with is Hotmail, is not really good move.
- Tanomsak
Well I sat through the looooong video. It's really nice but just need to get my hands on it to get a good idea of the service. I hope the months go by quickly. I guess a dev release if first so the rest of us will have to wait even longer? :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Philip Bloom » Blog Archive » How to record sound with the Canon 5dmk2 and a great plug in for Final Cut for auto synching - http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009...
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Great article for those of you trying to use Canon 5D Mark II DSLRs in video mode.
- Robert Scoble
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I love my Canon 5D MKII for video, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
A bit of a overkill don't you think? For that sort of money you could get a really good Video camera with all the accessories of your dreams. I say let SLR's be SLR's. I think the focus these days are completely wrong, instead of working on adding a more and more features give me better quality at a lower prize. What is the next thing going to be - the EOS phone?
- Asgeir
Asgeir: I disagree. The video on this is STUNNING and I like shooting stills and doing videos on the same device. I can't carry so many toys.
- Robert Scoble
There's no easy answer to this while i agree with Asgeir that the focus these days is all wrong there's also a point with what Scoble says about how many toys can you carry. With all of us wanting to document every moment on camera there's always going to be that amalgamation of technologies that the purists will not be happy with :)
- Bhowmik Shah
Bhowmik: keep in mind that Rocky and I carry two $5,000 video cameras, too. They are nicer, yes, but for many things I like the Canon better. The Canon gives me a look closer to cinema cameras because I can have extreme lens choices, etc. Also, like tomorrow, I'll be on the aircraft carrier. I'm using a 600 mm F4.0 lens. That's hard to use on a video camera (our cameras don't have interchangeable lenses) but on the Canon it's a snap. Plus the quality is awesome. Go to SmugMug and watch some of the videos.
- Robert Scoble
Here, watch this video: http://blogs.smugmug.com/don... stunning quality. And it takes even better still photos!
- Robert Scoble
I have tried it and thought it was fantastic. But if video was not there, would the price be lower? I am a bit of a traditionalist when it comes to SLR's. I love my camera for what it does, the focus on doing one thing - taking great photos. Adding features like video, would be s bit of a distraction I feel
- Asgeir
Yep totally agree with you. I myself have an Epson Rangefinder (more suited to my kind of photography :) ) and an Olympus E300 its always a toss up between which camera should i carry and there are heaps of times when i wish i had a video camera :( .... by the way i'm looking forward to some pics from the USS Nimitz :) ...... have a good trip
- Bhowmik Shah
Asgeir: if video wasn't there I probably would have kept my old 5D. The video capabilities in the new 5D have sold TONS of these. EVERYONE talks to me about the video capabilities. It's what has everyone interested in this camera.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, check out http://vimeo.com/4782593 EDIT: I was on my iPhone and I couldn't see that Bloom linked to the Zacuto video. #oldcollegetry
- Christopher Harley
With or without Video, the important thing is what is behind the camera :)
- Asgeir
I just had a look at that video Robert, The quality is really really good. I guess its a matter of choice. I definitely wouldn't mind having video with quality like that in my camera handy for whenever i need it ;)
- Bhowmik Shah
I'm afraid of the video capabilities of my 5D M2.
- Thomas Hawk
I think I saw that thing in one of Alex Lindsay's videos from NAB on MacBreak at pixelcorps.tv... Not sure if it's this one: http://www.pixelcorps.tv/macbrea...
- Holger Eilhard
@ Thomas Hawk - What do you mean?
- Christopher Harley
Sound has always been an afterthought on Digicams/SLR's, even stand alone video cams. Bad Mistake!
- JimmyJet
In the next hour or so I will pass 37,000 subscribers. friendfeed's growth is accelerating. It is about time to look for a new shiny object. The celebrities will be here soon.
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- Capn' One Eye - adrift
I think 1,000 have followed me this week alone. It's amazing to watch the early adopters catch on to what Louis Gray showed me more than a year ago.
- Robert Scoble
lol....well that proves Robert is the one and only cutting-edge celebrity we all gotta follow! 37k subs on ff is gr8. and i gotta work like a dog to reach even 1k.
- Freddie Benjamin
ugh :)
- Stefanie Hahn
oh please don't say that. oh no. I just got here.
- Rick Fisher
Rick: you're safe for another month or maybe two. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Shhhhh!
- Jeff Betts
How the hell are you digesting all this data, are you a robot in disguise ?
- Ryan Erickson
I wish I had time to figure out friend feed! I'm computer savvy and this one has me stumped! Send me a basic video please! I've got some of the basics down, but the community aspect and how to communicate has me stumped...other than when you send me here from twitter.
- Hummie
Ryan: I have high resolution screens and I type fast. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Isn't that just like a man? Gets your heart all a flutter and then he moves on.
- Sharon McPherson
Hummie: I showed Jimmy Wales friendfeed on Saturday night: http://www.ustream.tv/recorde... -- that might help you (after the first couple of minutes).
- Robert Scoble
You're a machine :)
- Ryan Erickson
No one mention friendfeed to the 'normals'.
- Ryan Whitwam
Have you studied how much conversation celebrities actually have? They might find FF needing more personal maintenance than they want to.
- Yann Ropars
Don't ask me about shiny new stuff. My web development is in a 50-year-old language and its most exciting features relate to a 10-year-old data format.
- Bruce Lewis
Ryan Whitwam: too late. Google is indexing friendfeed posts higher than Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
for the love of all that is geek, no one RT this to K-utcher or O-prah.
- Alachia
Hopefully, friendfeed will have implemented real-time filters before Oprah comes here, also to filter massive amounts of comments coming in by "likes" and algorithms on the "likes" so selections among 1000s of chatters are filtered in real-time to the front for each user while the rest of the conversations are hidden in a personalized way based on their own likes and friends
- Charbax
Alachia: Kutcher came to a TechCrunch party last year. He's the real deal. Oprah? Um, no.
- Robert Scoble
Why would a real geek play the numbers game then?
- Alachia
Someone should create a Techmeme for celebrities... a tool that search and aggregate social media sphere txt and rich media into one stream...
- Yann Ropars
Thanks..I'm watching the link now...I see Friend Feed has changed since I was here last.
- Hummie
Anyway, I know you weren't totally serious posting this. But I do think you could more fully explore the toys you're already playing with. Spend some time on that Site Integration page. You know which one I mean.
- Bruce Lewis
Look for the next shiny object. We'll be here when you get back. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis: if you haven't found a new shiny object yet, it's safe to stay here for a couple more months. :-)
- Robert Scoble
:) who will be the King ff FF, Ashton? or do we graduate to more distinguished folks? sanjaya perhaps
- Samer Forzley
There is nothing shinier than FF.
- Diego Barros
Okay, see...I cannot figure out where the search is that you are referring to!
- Hummie
At least you can "hide" the celebrities in FF. Ooo look, something shiny over there!
- Brian
+1 Louis :-D
- Bruce Lewis
Hummie: The search bar is at the top of the page. Search for a term you're interested in, and on the resulting page you'll notice a red bar at the top with a link "click here to save". Click the link and you can customize and save that search.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Oh geez...HOW did I miss that search box...if it were a bug, it would have bit me! Thanks...going to test the save a search now. If I can figure this place out, I'll be sure to do a video on how to use it on my blog...cause that's what I do...and people expect me to do!
- Hummie
Okay, someone tell me how I make a post on Friendfeed without having one import from another application (twitter, Flickr, etc).
- Hummie
=) It takes a bit of time to get everything (especially now with so many options). There's a group specifically for cool searches you can save, give me a moment and I'll get you a link. Also, there's a FF for Beginners group that might be helpful. Again, just a moment and I'll have you a link. As for how to post: see the text box underneath the search box? Post there.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF.
- John Blanton
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I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF. If you left where would you go?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
FF for Beginners group http://friendfeed.com/friendf... FF Saved Searches group http://friendfeed.com/ffss And Hammie, we're usually a pretty friendly bunch. Let us know if you have any questions =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks for your help, Tina. I think the new interface since I was here last is a big improvement. It's easier to figure out than it was before.
- Hummie
No problem, Hummie =) The new interface is intriguing: people who were really active on FF before started out disliking it (but most have grown accustomed to it). People who didn't connect with FF before really seem to like it. Not sure what that says about the differences in the two user types...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I can recommend to open the users reg. to other sites as well ,for example it can be great to let other sites to get for their users an automatic registration here in FF
- Johni Fisher
Johni, FF has pretty much implemented exactly that. People can log in with their Twitter, Facebook, or Google IDs now.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Yes thats right but lets say that we have an online newspaper that would like to create users here to his users and to have activity ....in my opinion with this pos we can get here much more than just the tech users
- Johni Fisher
I am enjoying friendfeed rightnow since it is safe from undue publicity.
- ashish
Ashish: that will only last a few more weeks, given the growth rate here.
- Robert Scoble
will this result in more maintanence time = offline time?
- ashish
:-)) u r wrong Robert as long that you control the info that u can get u will keep the fun
- Johni Fisher
I suspect the "early adopters" - "celebrities" timeline is an oversimplification. It's quite possible that a year from now, Twitter will have moved from its "Oprah" stage to a post-Oprah stage, which is more accurately reflected by the timeline "early adopters" - "celebrities" - "everybody else." Think of cell phones as an example. There was a period when celebrities and yuppies...
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- John E. Bredehoft
they are already here, I noticed P Diddy and a Khardasian in my friendfeed followers the other day.
- Christi
John: sorry, Twitter won't get "everyone else." They already are on facebook.
- Robert Scoble
its past my bedtime.. I will have to read about it tomorrow.. g'nite :o)
- David Gross
I've passed two kidney stones, but 37,000 friendfreed subscribers? That sounds really painful.
- Ranger Craig
Plurk. The celebrities will never use Plurk. Of course, there are good reasons for that.
- Ken Wallich
I'll keep an eye on the list of suggested users. As long as you are on top, I think this is still a safe Geekdome...(how many users does FF claim?)
- Antonella Stellacci
NO!!!! AGHH!!!!
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: I passed 37,000 a while ago. The growth here is headed up and I got there a LOT faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
But aren't most of your FF subscribers also Twitter followers? Add that you're the first face new FF see when they join :)
- Antonella Stellacci
Seriously, though not sure celebrities will want to be on Friendfeed, unless there interested in good conversation, its not a megaphone like Twitter is, which is all the a lot of celebrities want.
- Kim Landwehr
Antonella: most of my Twitter followers were readers of my blog, too. So? That's how I separate out the real people from the bots. The bots stick with what I did yesterday. The real people follow me to the new shiny object when I find one.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: celebrities go where the people are. Just wait.
- Robert Scoble
I fear that this friend feed, twitter followers race is becoming too much for the slightly more tech savvy but still average user to keep up with. Someone looking for a place to connect on multiple topics but doesn't have a blog, start -up or celebrity status (of any kind) to warrant any following other than sheer wit to compete with. I work in hi-tech and love love LOVE all things web...
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- Cyndi Brigham
Robert, they go where the most people go. It'll be a LONG time before they show up here.
- Kyle Sellers
Kyle: wrong. The celebrities are already starting to show up here.
- Robert Scoble
Cyndi: do you know of a group like this on Twitter: http://friendfeed.com/persian...
- Robert Scoble
Filter them out.
- John
The celebs won't know what to do on ff
- Dennis Jackson
Agreed, but I guess that the migration from readers of a blog to Twitter users was slower than Twitter-> Friendfeed which might explain the different timeframe. The next shiny is more than welcome...
- Antonella Stellacci
Thanks Robert, based on this, I think that for what I'm looking for, Friend Feed may be more the route than Twitter...The link you sent was amazing. I don't know that I'd find that on Twitter. Appreciate the response!
- Cyndi Brigham
my friend feed has exploded this week, I think it's a much better listening device
- Jessica Wilzig Gottlieb
James: Kim Kardashian: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
James: Gavin Newsom, who is running for California Governor: http://friendfeed.com/GavinNe...
- Robert Scoble
Jimmy Fallon was rumored to be on here, but I can't find him.
- Robert Scoble
Do you think in a year or so, FriendFeed could take over the space from Twitter, and that Twitter will be sort of the "Myspace" or do you think they will both thrive together, sort of need each other?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't see friendfeed taking over from Twitter in next year. I see friendfeed going in a different direction. The money is in search, so friendfeed needs to be a massively better search engine. We're seeing the groundwork for that now, but it'll take a year to make it obvious to everyone.
- Robert Scoble
so abandon ship on Twitter everyone.
- Brad Jackson
re Jimmy Fallon: this one? http://friendfeed.com/jimmyfa... ( couldn't find thru search but just writing the vanity URL with the name)
- Antonella Stellacci
Antonella: heh, I didn't think of just typing in the URL. Yeah, that looks like him. Mostly a clone of his Tweets though.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed WAY more useful no? It's not even close....
- j sven
That makes me too late... I didn't like how Friend Feed was before. Now I don't like how Twitter is and I'm falling in luv/lust with FriendFeed. .. but if the celebs invade, and the "like-ables" like you leave... oh whoa... where shall I go?
- Arleen Anderson
Arleen: don't worry, we'll have plenty of time to figure that out. We've already been sending Louis Gray on scouting trips to make sure we have somewhere to go. :-)
- Robert Scoble
08:00 BST you made it! 37,045 subscribers. Congrats :)
- Anita Hunt
More shiny objects Robert? at least stay until this one gets tarnished ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: actually, wait until we get skinning here. Then it'll seem brand new for quite a while. I'm not leaving, just having some fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hummie I'm with you on this. When I first came here I very quickly walked away again, I just couldn't figure it out. I had to get help from my son. There's a lesson there for all of us by the way. And it's possible this "Oh Christ now what do I do?" initial impression is keeping the RiffRaff out. Unlike that other service over there ----> which is real easy to understand.
- Gilbert Harding
we're already here, you just haven't noticed us yet!
- randulo
Is there a list of the most subscribed to people on friendfeed? I'm guessing RObert has to be the most subscribed t0, non-friendfeed employee?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: yes, it's at http://www.ffholic.com/Users...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert!
- Jim Connolly
Gah, I DO NOT want that to happen! I finally got rid of twitter (except for using it with friendfeed) and don't want to have to find something else. Maybe I should start my own social network... *ponders that thought for a second* Nah, too much work.
- MλTT
Robert - I knew you would be top of the pile! I'm in 350th place apparently - w00t!!
- Jim Connolly
Matt: (that really did make me laugh out loud!!)
- Jim Connolly
I'm not sure the celebs with come to friendfeed. At least not in the same way they have with twitter. Twitter is a broadcast medium to most celebs. They want to tell the world what they are doing and build their brand. They have no interest in what their followers are doing. FF appears to be more of a community where discussion and sharing can take place. (i know you know this but just wanted to add my 2cents)
- Jamie Vidamour
@Jamie Apparently not everyone got that memo ;-) http://friendfeed.com/iamdiddy & http://friendfeed.com/kimkard...
- Gordon Saunders
I think FriendFeed is 'just' complex enough to scare the crap out of the celebs. Look at the trouble Oprah had with something as easy to use as Twitter! That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them.
- Jim Connolly
<The celebrities will be here soon> Yup .
- JimmyJet
"That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them" Jim that sounds like a promising business plan.
- Gilbert Harding
My fear exactly. In fact I wonder if following the latest social network trend will itself become the mainstream media's new news trend. I do believe tech and celebs can live in harmony on the same broadcast platform, but it depends greatly on the management of that platform. Twitter management handled this badly. Recommendations should be based on content, not the number of followers...
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- Keith Barrett
Do you have ghosts like Guy Kawasaki ? How you manage to control all of the streams! 90K+ on twitter, 30K+ from FF.. Amazing.. Really.. I jelaous.
- Jacque
Jacque: I do all my own social media work. No ghosts. I just do what I can!
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what the next new shiny object will be, any guesses or predictions?
- Sally Church
"Next new shiny object"...which is?
- Luciano
Luciano: Louis Gray hasn't figured that out yet, so we have at least six months.
- Robert Scoble
I understand having many subscribers but how do you make sense of the flood of all those you subscribe to?
- Steve Levin
Steve Levin: liberal use of the hide feature and many, many lists and groups...I assume.
- Bob Blunk
Steve - I'm pretty sure Robert did a video a while ago - showing what his feed looked like and how he handled it.
- Jim Connolly
we have some shiny tin cans and some wire... so ...
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Steve: I posted about virtual omniscience of Robert Scoble here: http://messel.typepad.com/my_webl... there's a video of Robert describing it there
- Mark Essel
Actually, Pretty Monkey Studio just gave me a great idea: Create my own social network made out of strings and tin cans that spans across the whole world so that everyone can be connected by voice, rather than text... Wait! That may have a few problems *thinks about the repercussions of creating a social network where people put a tin can to their ear while millions of voices are piped (strung?) in to it*
- MλTT
matt: its easy.. you will have a tin can for each person you are connected to. the others get a lid. and for group chats you just need more people that are sitting next to you in the treehouse :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Pretty Monkey: Dibs on that idea! I'm developing a prototype and getting a patent tomorrow :P
- MλTT
just come over to our treehouse and we'll hook you up :D we even have pink tin cans !!
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Nooooo!!! It's MY idea, Pretty Monkey! If this kicks off, you aren't getting any of the profits :P
- MλTT
sry we already have the patent ;) but you could try triangle shaped yellow tin cans for your prototype. Banana shapes are taken too
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Not fair :'( Robert, can you make Pretty Monkey Studio hand over the patent?
- MλTT
Matt: sure, but I charge $400 an hour for playing a lawyer and this will take at least 40 hours of my work and you're still not guaranteed that Pretty Monkey Studio will hand it over. Want to proceed? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what that point is. When did it start on Twitter?
- Lester Greenberg
Robert: Hmmm, put a decimal point after the 4 and I'm in.
- MλTT
I took several months off from friendfeed to concentrate on my facebook presence. Now that I'm back I can't believe all the changes and growth here. 2008 was the year of facebook, 2009 is the year of twitter, could 2010 be the year of friendfeed?
- Jonathan.Rivera
pfff you guys are only after money. just come over to the treehouse, you'll get a tin can fro free, we can play some blackjack and spin the bottle and have a good time without patents, twithits or the likes and you can explain friendfeed to us :D
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Well, when you're saving to buy your first iPhone, money has a big impact on your actions.
- MλTT
you're a social media creature Scoble :)
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Nooooooooo, say it isn't so....
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
So are companies going to take a stand and disallow celebrities to join services and ruin them or should they change the terms to the we won't reject people based on sex, race, or fame.
- Eric Fisher
Eric: friendfeed doesn't need to do that. They just need to make sure that we remain in control of our viewport and that they minimize the kinds of games humans like to play (collecting followers and gaming systems to see if we can move up a list, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, do you think the next "shiny object" will be a mobile one? Not a device, but a mobile service. Something that works great on all platforms, iPhone, Android, Win, Nokia, etc.
- Mike Lewis
I knew it was always just about the latest shiny object! Now I have proof...
- Andrew Deal
Mike... I hope robert says yes.... that is what I always am pushing @cellecast. ... we got 80% more to develop though, and need community help.
- Andrew Deal
What do you think the effect will be on Friendfeed??
- 77Agency
Mike: if something works great on all mobile platforms it isn't actually great. You've got to optimize for each one, at least in today's world.
- Robert Scoble
Just wait til oprah gets here. :)
- Sami Jones
from Nambu
My guess is that Oprah will be #1 on Twitter in a month or two. She has over a million followers in 28 days without really trying. Aplusk may have more but he also has tweeted more than 40x as much. Look out Scoble, Ashton will probably run here once Oprah takes his Twitter crown.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I'm looking at buying a mountain bike. For $1,000 to $1,500 what would you recommend? Answer on friendfeed so I can link to the results, link here:
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I have a Cannondale that I love (though I'm lame and put road tires on it so I can take it to the post office!). http://www.cannondale.com/bikes...
- Marina Martin
santa cruz are top grade http://www.santacruzbicycles.com/home...
- Vikrum J. Singh
Marin Pine Mountain http://www.marinbikes.com/2009...
- Clint
It depends on what you want to do/what sort of riding your going to be doing. Do you want a hard tail(just front suspension) or dual suspension?
- Michael Gross
I've owned several Trek's and have been very happy with all of them.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Michael: dual suspension. I'm getting old and the softer ride is worth it (I've already tested that out).
- Robert Scoble
Michael: I'll be on mostly flat trails, though, but who knows? Even then, though, the dual suspension is something I felt on just street riding and like a lot.
- Robert Scoble
I like my Diamondback - a bit heavier than most, but more solid
- Jason
Vikrum: are there any Santa Cruz in my price range, though?
- Robert Scoble
cannondale is a good bike, Trek also makes some mean mid range bikes, i use this site for info http://www.mtbr.com/
- Adam B
A professional rider today told me that in my price range Specialized and Trek are good to consider.
- Robert Scoble
Giant Trance X2. High quality yet affordable. By all means check out Mountain Bike Review (http://www.mtbr.com) for user reviews, trail ratings, discussions, etc. And then sign up so I can say I was on mtbr.com before you.
- Sue Radd
Cannondale all the way. Depending on how "mountain" you want. You may want to look at a hybrid. Road tires are so much easier to push.
- Hans
Hans: I'm going to be mostly on dirt, but doubt I'll go out in the mud very often, so hybrid might be OK. I like the traction I get with knobby tires, though.
- Robert Scoble
Don't know what you'll end up with, but this should be useful as a ceiling: http://www.cannondale.com/bikes...
- Christopher A Carr
I have had a Specialized for almost twenty years. no shox or special suspension but worked great on bumpy Volcano dirt trails near Bend Oregon last summer.
- Dave Blockhus
7 pages of them on Craigslist - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search...
- John Rubier
Specialized has always been my favorite bike brand
- Jesse Stay
I also vote for canondale I have one that is 15+years old and I am a heavy rider (270) in total time owned other then tune ups 2 repairs shifter and BB axle. AWESOME AMERICAN BIKE CO.
- zac_in_ak
I do have to say that friendfeed is demonstrating something very killer here: real time product feedback. I'm writing a blog post about this.
- Robert Scoble
Yo Dawg, I heard you're looking for a bike. Get a Kona Dawg. http://www.konaworld.com/09_dawg... So you can ride while you ride. Seriously great bikes though.
- Andrew Smith
Sorry, but I have to lobby for the Trance, 'cause that's what I ride. (modded earlier model to add disc brakes and a better Fox fork.) :-) http://tinyurl.com/cl4moa
- Sue Radd
If you're buying new and this year's model, the Trek Fuel EX 5.5. It's on the high end of that range, but it's a great frameset with quality components everywhere. I've ridden it: very comfortable, plenty of suspension travel when you need it, and it will make you feel confident and secure. It's tough to beat Trek on value, and they really stand behind their products. I have four Treks right now, and they all rock. But don't forget used bikes: you can save a pile and still get something nice.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: so now I have to decide whether to go Cannondale or Trek or Specialized. You all are no help! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Man, one could imagine a very slick marketplace integration with services like FF...especially for situations like this.
- Christopher A Carr
I would go with the bike that you feel most comfortable on. It is all a matter of preference. Every rider has a different riding style, body type, etc. I own a trek fuel ex8...good all around bike! I've also have two Kona hardtails, which are bomb proof! Visit your local bike shop and let them know your budget, and the type of riding you will be doing. Try as many as you can...once you sit on the bike, you will know in the first 5min. Like an interview! Ha!
- nilo ayson
Can't go wrong with Specialized and Trek. Heck, go with Trek to feel some solidarity with Lance!
- Troy Malone
I'd recommend a Trek. I've beaten the heck out of those things on the trails, and they just last and ask for more. Seems the 6 series are in your price range http://www.trekbikes.com/us...
- Al
It really depends what you want to do. Where do you want to ride? With friends and family around some trails or do you want to do some more serious cross-country or downhill mountain biking. Either way resist getting something with dual suspention in that price range - it's slow & heavy and junky. Kona's a better value and you might want to look at the speedy street/trail friendly DR DEW http://www.konaworld.com/09_drde... or the more KULA http://www.konaworld.com/09_kula... - PS) Live to ride!
- Adam Horne
Ask on http://www.hunch.com
- Victor Panlilio
I just bought a new Trek 4300. Its a nice cost-for-value solution - they are good for not-yet-professionals, yet hold up nicely even for heavy-set riders (me :))
- Yariv Zur
Victor: why? My friends are here. They aren't on hunch. I trust the people here on friendfeed and Twitter a lot more than on Hunch.
- Robert Scoble
Other than Kona, I'd also recommend Rocky Mountain Bikes. Both brands huge here in Whistler. Maybe look at this one http://www.bikes.com/main+en...
- Andrew Smith
was thinking maybe a used one... but i bought mine from speedgoat.com -- incredible service and best prices online by far. worth a look for sure.
- Vikrum J. Singh
you said great, now you have to pick between a cannondale, a trek, and a specialized mountain bike. That's not a problem, I actually test road all 3 at the sea otter on thursday and they are all great bike companies. The answer to chose between the three is easy. Go to your local friendly neighborhood bike shop and see which one of the three they carry.
- Ilya Rivkin
Agree that all three make very nice bicycles. CL or a local bike shop. Find the best bike for the money that feels good to you...
- Christopher A Carr
Ilya is right: It all starts with a great bike shop. Go visit a few and do exactly what you do with tech companies. The good people will be apparent, and those are the folks you want to buy from.
- Chris Baskind
Look for a Cross Country frame for light trail riding. They're usually lighter and position your body better for longer distances. Dual Suspension often have more aggressive downhill frame geometries.
- timmann
You know, given that every single good MTB is going to have some mix of Shimano and SRAM parts, have suspension from a small group of companies, is made in a small selection of factories in Taiwan, etc. I think it's mostly about which one happens to be available at a nice place with non-asshole salesfolk and happens to fit you the best.
- Wirehead
Oh, and unless you are in the mud, knobby tire traction is an illusion. I've gone through all sorts of bay area mountain biking trails and not once have I said "Gee, the knob between my legs isn't enough. I need a bunch of knobs on my tires!" But, given that most Hybrids are intended to be riden a maximum of 500 miles before being thrown out, you might just want to get a nice MTB and then change the tires out afterwards.
- Wirehead
Ryan: here's th thing about friendfeed, though. If you ask a question and I "like" it, it goes to the same people who would see my own question. So, do you need 90,000 followers or only one follower?
- Robert Scoble
Pretty interesting to see how this worked--asking for feedback. I ride a Trek Fuel EX7--probably above the range you set but not by much. My wife bought it for me asking all her mtb friends. She does XTERRA races. She was told and I agree, it was well worth the extra money to step up from the EX 5.5. And as someone said, Lance rides Treks. He road a Top Fuel at last years Leadville 100.
- Bob McAllaster
I'd go with either Santa Cruz or Scott, they offer real pro bikes in wide range of levels. Oh, and Robert, I'm so waiting for the video of Scoble Doing Downhill.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: in the $1,500 level? Trek seems better at that level than the others.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was riding pro for many years. With bikes, you can put 5 people in a room and hear 10 different opinions. My first advice would be to go and test each one of the models for yourself. Second, is to get the exact size that fits your body (very important). Third, buy the right accessories. Fourth, join a group at your level. Finally, Trek are good, no doubt, but IMHO Scott are better, but yet again, go and ask for a test ride.
- Nir Ben Yona
One more thing: if you're planning a trail ride, dual suspension won't be good. Make sure you can lock the rear suspension, otherwise it would take extra energy from you.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: but it's a lot more comfortable. I tried that out already.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It is ! but if you ride 20 miles of flat trail, the rear suspension will force you to put more effort, that's why you should buy dual suspension with locking option. As for the gears, you won't need XTR, i think that XT will be enough at this point.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, I took this Giant Anthem 1, some crazy places in the European Alps over 2500km and all I got was one flat. http://is.gd/tpjL http://is.gd/tplp. If you are after a smooth rolling dual suspension with propedal rear shock for 'widish' forest tracks and 'smoothish' single track I think this would be ideal.
- Jan Zimak
Robert; a hard question to answer without substantially more information. Generally if you stick with the top brands you will get a good bike but, to get one that is best suited to your riding style and terrain the best approach would be to contact your local mountain bike club and ask which are the most reputable bike shops. the go to 2-3 of them to get their advice/recommendation. Word of warning: unless the sales person wants to know a lot about you, your interests and where/how you ride. walk away.
- Wayne Blackshaw
Robert, you definitely want a hard-tail (i.e front suspension only) for flat trail riding. If comfort is an issue, replace the stock saddle with a really good foam-gel-filled model that has a cutaway to reduce pressure on the crotch. Also, padded short/pant liner for added cushioning. Also, I would suggest you get a model with click gear shifters, rather than the twist variety. In my experience, shifting on the fly is much smoother and easier with the click variety.
- Phil Essing
Phil: I'll take another look, but I dramatically liked the ones with dual suspension better.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: well, then, definitely follow the advice of those who suggest a model with a lockable rear-suspension. My advice on saddle replacement and padded short/pant liners stands. For longer duration riding, rear suspension will do nothing to ease the comfort in the crotch and seat-bone areas.
- Phil Essing
Phil: cool. the trail I'll be on most has some up and down, some ruts, 30% asphalt, 70% dirt/gravel. I doubt I'd be riding more than an hour very often. I'm not that kind of guy. Someday, if I really get into it, maybe, but I'm at least two years away from that and probably never. Got two kids, so getting more than an hour for exercise is going to be very tough until they are older.
- Robert Scoble
This is the coolest thread in a while. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Robert: Sounds like the terrain mix that I mostly ride. One last bit of advice: never ride without an emergency kit. Get a strap on tire pump, and a saddle bag that you can stuff with a multi-tool, two or three tire levers, spare inner-tube, and a pair of latex gloves. Why the gloves? For that inevitable moment when, while shifting, your chain derails. With the gloves, you can quickly get that chain back in place without getting your hands all messed-up with grease.
- Phil Essing
Oh, and if you're the DIY type, here's a site you're going to definitely want to bookmark: http://bicycletutor.com/ Lots of great video tutorials on how to maintain and care for your new trusty steed.
- Phil Essing
+1 for the tips Phil, I second every word. Another good place to find relevant stuff is here: http://forums.mtbr.com
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir Ben Yona: Been lurking on those forums for quite some time. Definitely, another great source of info for the MTB'er.
- Phil Essing
Get a double bike trailer and take your two lovelies along for the ride.
- Ken Oatman
Love my Gary Fisher. Have had it for 15 years. Indestructible.
- Jeff
My top picks are Sta Cruz Blur XC or Giant Trance. You should also look at 29ers (29" wheels instead of 26"). They are all the rage and make riding over obstacles even easier.
- Craig Villamor
You have a lot of good feedback so far. I bought a Trek 4300 (hardtail) 5 years ago and love it. Have upgraded almost all the components, but the lightweight aluminum frame is durable and pretty light. If I was in the market for a new full suspension, I'd look at the Trek FuelEX or Gary Fisher full suspension. You might rethink your hardtail/FS decision. You'll get better components for your $ with a hardtail, and less maintenance. If you go FS you may want to up your budget to $1500 to $2000.
- Charles Hanskat
I'm a mountain biker, go check out http://pinkbike.com + http://jehlebikes.com + http://www.chainreactioncycles.com ... I would recommend Scott, Santa Cruz, Specialized.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
oh, and i want to see photos on flickr pls :D heh
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Many good choices from Specialized, Trek, Cannondale, etc. The key is getting the proper fit. Go to a decent (not high end) independent bike shop like Valencia Cyclery in SF (valenciacyclery.com). If you join the SF Bike Coalition (sfbike.com), most SF bike shops will give you a discount, too. You can often find a great deal on last year's models, too. Bike to Work Day is May 14th, so now is the time....
- Tony Wasserman
Salcano Bike is good.
- N.Onur ATAHAN
Yep...don't even bother with anything other than Santa Cruz. It's what my friend Chris uses and he does 24 hour mountain bike races.
- Alex Scoble
Have a look at the GT 'Force' series or Gary Fisher 'Roscoe' Series. Opt for full suspension along with clip-less pedals/shoes IMHO.
- Walt Ruppar
Robert: I'm in San Mateo and ride Purisima Creek Road (starting from the Skyline Side) pretty frequently. Lots of good riding in MPROSD preserves. DM me if you ever want to ride. I'm slow and non-threatening, I promise.
- Sue Radd
What do you want to ride? Bike path, singletrack, doubletrack, downhill, etc...
- Chris Greene
Robert, looked at your description of trails and riding conditions above and here's my most sage advice. BUY THE BIKE THAT FITS! - Don
- Chris Greene
't listen to anyone that's telling you a model. Go ride some Treks, Specialized, Cannondale whatever features you like and settle on something that fits you and i comfortable.
- Chris Greene
I wouldn't go fancy with suspension (front fork will do). And no need for exotic materials until you start racing (stay away from carbon fiber). If you start to pound singletrack the mainline brands (Trek, Spec, Cannon) will all fall apart on you. Buy something with a good kit (Shimano LX, XT), and again be comfortable and nice fitting. You can only decide this by test riding bikes. Don't mistake mountain biking with a mountain bike.
- Chris Greene
If you are only going to ride the coastal roads in HMB or bike paths, a mountain bike is not the right way to go.
- Chris Greene
- peace out
- Chris Greene
Chris: except I have mountain trails all around me.
- Robert Scoble
I've never had a bad experience with a Gary Fisher bike.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
Gary Fisher is a Trek brand. They maintain a lot of their traditional character, though. And they're beautifully finished. My Klein road bike is also Trek.
- Chris Baskind
Robert: I know you do. The question is do you really ride them? If yes, then I think a god hardtail THAT FITS with a nice fork is a good choice for you. If you don't ride them and think you might, I would suggest you start off with something better suited to the stuff you do ride. The range of stuff in HMB can go from easy climbs and bike paths to super gnarly stuff on Montara Mtn. that's the kind of things I've ridden with a 50LB dual suspension bike with 10" of travel.
- Chris Greene
Robert: ....my first mtn bike was a aluminum hardtail and was great for a couple of years. When I obsessed about it I upgraded. If I had never gone down the pro road I would have been fine with that simple bike for the rest of my days. The problem was that you can never "make" an expensive or simple bike fit you and it will not be fun.
- Chris Greene
I had a Cannondale. Nearly took my eye out mountainbiking and falling over a cactus, so I stopped.
- Francine Hardaway
Just got a new Trek! Love Trek and Giant.
- Corey Marthaller
from Nambu
forget the mountain bike, buy a euro style bike like the following and ride in normal clothes every day somewhere! Far better to do 1-10km every day than 50km on a sat or sun, I do 10km a day on my swiss bike and am in the best shape ever: http://usa.batavus.com/ http://www.civiacycles.com/civiaco... text me if you need further euro bike buying advice :-) ! …Roland +1 604 729 7924
- Roland Tanglao
Hooray for city bikes. I've hardly ridden anything else since buying mine.
- Chris Baskind
Speak to your local bike shop. The support they will provide when things go wrong or you want to upgrade is worthwhile. You can also try the bike which is important. The larger manufacturers can probably get you a better set of components for the money but it will be less unique. Trek, Marin, Specialized are all good in my opinion. How you feel on the bike and the dealer support are more important to a new biker in my opinion, assuming you are fairly new to this?
- Andrew Edwards
Robert: Andrew Edwards comment just above is great advice: find a shop you like and trust, the best result will come from that. Also key, and already said: get a bike that fits, from a shop that understands fit. There aren't many bad bikes made anymore, especially in the $1000 and up price range. That said, I work at Specialized, and follow you on twitter, so DM me if you want to talk more. @matthewscd
- matthewscd
fookinner
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Specialized Stump Jumper. http://tinyurl.com/owcdfw I have bought this bike 2x ( the first one was stolen out of my garage) It is way more than I will ever use as I like to ride around SF and to the North Bay, but have taken it down nutty trail rides in Tahoe as well. It certainly has the "you know your bikes" quality as whenever I take it to get tunes up the gearheads always...
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- Kevin Murray
Well, did you get one??? My advice is similar to a couple others. Work with a local bike shop who works with you to FIT you on a bike. More than anything else, finding a bike and tuning it to your body and riding style will go farther than anything to make it an enjoyable sport.
- Dave Ploch
What type of riding do you want to do? XC or downhill. There's a significant difference in bike design and tech between the two. I'm an XC rider myself and rode a Santa Cruz superlight before switching to a KHS 904r. Both are dual suspension. I would highly recommend dual over a hardtail. Superior handling, climbing and comfort on those 100km rides.
- Troy Forster
Wow Building 43 really is as big as Area 51!
- Jan Simmonds
Cannondale Bay Boy Ultra is what I have. comes with nice road rims and front shock is in the head tube and can be turned on and off and has disc brakes. I bought a separate set of mountain bike rims and they swap on and off easily. Two bikes for the price of 1.5
- Dave Evans
Robert, I spend my whole life thinking about questions like this. The correct answer for you is "Gary Fisher HiFi." And also you need to start reading my blog: fatcyclist.com.
- Elden Nelson
$799 Montague Paratrooper used by the Army. http://www.montagueco.com/bikes...
- Francis Estrada
so will Cannondale sponsor the discussion? And if they do, won't that undermine the nature and quality of the discussion
- andrewkeen
good luck everyone
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- ammy
My first Flickr video -- taking off from Half Moon Bay airport - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Make sure you set the video to "HD" quality. I shot this with my Canon 5D Mark II camera with Thomas Hawk's 14mm F2.8 lens. There's a spec of dirt on it, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
I have another video from dreammachines09 where we fly over the cars here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
You can see Mike Doeff's video of the day (including the plane we rode in) here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Nice video, bet it was fun to fly in a vintage aircraft.
- JimmyJet
Jimmy: it was a blast. Especially since they took us around the airport twice, each time dipping low toward the runway and then taking us up suddenly, which shoved us deep into our seats. Then the pilot pushed the stick foward and we flew off our seats, temporarily weightless. What a roller coaster!
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm seriously jealous. I'm a roller coaster enthusiast and would have loved this. Be sure and invite me next time you guys go on an adventure ;)
- Erica OGrady
[SkyGrid] Business Wire: "Linden Lab Ushers in New Era of Second Life with Initiative to Customize The Experien..." http://www.businesswire.com/portal...
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I think the technology isn't sophisticated enough for SL to be widely adopted.
- Michelle McCormack
Envious of [SkyGrid]. Hoping their competitor First Rain decides to open up and do a better job.
- Dominic Jones
..second life is dead, long life @ SecondLife.. I dunno if are filters the problem of slife.. I think they have to focus on different target of client and products.
- CantorJF
Request SKYGRID INVITE ASAP PLEASE...THANKS
- OLDBEACHBUM
SL not Dead, but was at Fed VW Expo yesterday taking in VW-3D offerings from Qwaq, Mirror Worlds, Vastpark, 3DXplorer, Forterra, Active Worlds Protosphere, Venue Network, Nexus, and SL was there too. A lot of choice and differentiation(from SL) in this space.
- JimmyJet
Haven't used SL in more than a year, but based on my experience I would probably have to agree w/ Michelle. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed toying around in it, but I just can't see it growing beyond its already established niche. For business customer service Twitter is more convenient and for business meetings generally video conferencing is best. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's my 2 cents.
- Jeffrey Marsh
and btw Robert I really appreciate the heads up you gave on SkyGrid...been toying around with it for a couple hours now and I think it will prove to be very useful for my work/home purposes...looking forward to putting it thru the wringer over the next couple days while the market is open...thanks!
- Jeffrey Marsh
Why Dominos video response at http://www.youtube.com/watch... is going to be textbook:
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1. They did it in video. THAT is the way to respond. Not text. Video says MUCH MORE than text can.
- Robert Scoble
2. They went overboard with the response. They closed down the store and "sanitized it."
- Robert Scoble
3. The CEO did it and repeated that nothing is more important that our trust. He demonstrated he understood the issue.
- Robert Scoble
4. He thanked influencers for helping Dominos understand the issue and making sure that others knew about it.
- Robert Scoble
5. He responded while the issue is still "hot."
- Robert Scoble
6. He responded on YouTube, which is where the crisis started, not on their own video platform.
- Robert Scoble
7. He communicated that there was "immediate" action including arrest warrants, and people getting fired.
- Robert Scoble
Impressive.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
He didn't look straight into the camera, however - as pointed out by Steve Garfield.
- l0ckergn0me
8. He knows that the real problem is that they hired idiots and are "reexamining" all hiring practices. THAT is the best way to make sure you get a good brand.
- Robert Scoble
9. He used personal language "it sickens me." Not marketing speak.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting mix of being apologetic and totally pissed at the same time. Overall thumbs up from me.
- Mike Doeff
10. He is working to "regain our trust."
- Robert Scoble
Is there anything else he could have done to answer this crisis?
- Robert Scoble
He didn't offer us a coupon to make us feel better. I didn't feel condescended to.
- Kevin Fox
Good lead, Robert. Glad to see discussion around the response.
- Valeria Maltoni
Now if he could just work on making the pizza not taste so bad.
- Dave Roth
now is the best time to go to Domino's in Conover. clean as a whistle.
- nesman89
Fantastic job, I thought.
- Matthew Freeman
Ok, so how bout some back ground?
- Matthew DeVries
I don't mind that he didn't look straight into the camera. That shows he isn't "slick" or "overcoached."
- Robert Scoble
Yes, it would have been better if he had looked into the camera, but given that a teleprompter is an expensive item, and rigging a two-way mirror with a magnified view of a printed script is a hassle... I think the minor shortfall can be forgiven. All seven of Robert's points remain absolutely valid.
- David Muir
Matthew: Here's the background: http://beta.friendfeed.com/thomash...
- Robert Scoble
Textbook is the best way to go. Swift and done. Now in time, people will forget, crave cheap, fast, and delivered food, and it's over.
- Mike Lewis
Very well handled. I agree with you, Robert, this will make its way into textbooks alongside Tylenol's response to the poisoning crisis three decades ago.
- Stephen Mack
Matthew: I already posted a link to the background. http://beta.friendfeed.com/thomash...
- Robert Scoble
Or here if you wanna go straight to the source: http://consumerist.com/5210648...
- Stephen Mack
They just taught a lot of clueless PR people how to handle a crisis like this. Well done.
- Inside Alaska
I think theyve been handling this like pros from the getgo. Good job
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Pretty slick. Many can learn from it.
- Katie Dob
The woman is also a registered sex offender apparently: http://ncfindoffender.com/details...
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
so far this year, that's, what, rats in the peanuts, perchlorate in the babby formula, prescription drugs in the drinking water, snot in the pizza... what was safe to ingest again?
- Karim
Bravo, Dominos. Nicely done. Speak up or be spoken for.
- kevin j higgins
But he's using a teleprompter. He's evil.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
tehKenny: I don't think he was. I bet that he was looking at some notes, though. It didn't come across like he was reading. For someone not experienced with a teleprompter you can not use one and not come across like you're reading.
- Robert Scoble
Their response was appropriate and in a timely manner which is key now.
- Christi
Anyone who has ever used a teleprompter realizes how hard it is to use one and how hard it is to look natural doing it. I bet he had someone off to the side of the camera he was talking to who was holding notes up to remind him what to talk.
- Robert Scoble
I wasn't there, obviously, but watching the CEO look off-camera yet speak as if to a person made me think he was looking at a person to stay "real" and "personable" and not canned or offering a performance.
- Bloom Seed
It's just pizza
- Ari Braginsky
Carmen: "W" had a LOT of media training and a team of people to tell him how to do it. I doubt this CEO has had much media training.
- Robert Scoble
rewatching it makes it clear that he's reading notes (his focus starts at top, moves down as recording proceeds). Still, though, comes across as a real person. Not everything needs professional actors, producers, makeup, sets...imperfect may be the new perfect, as far as communicating genuineness.
- Bloom Seed
Comes across as very heart-felt, and almost makes me want to order with them (I'm not sure we have them here in this town)! Shouldn't they have added something like "We'll now be installing cams in all our kitchens streaming direct to Ustream, making us the ONLY food delivery you can trust to not mess your food"? :)
- Philipp Lenssen
Philipp: well, that would certainly be cool but would be way beyond something they could deliver on in two days.
- Robert Scoble
I mean, I'm not a big fan of Dominos, but this helps them establish themselves as giving a crap. Good PR move.
- Mike Nayyar
Great video response straight from the company president. As for watching food getting prepared, the Papa John's locations that I've been to are open and you can basically see them making your pie. Not sure if Domino's has stores like that...
- Doug
Carmen, it's the "polished" vs "timely" tug of war: http://fftogo.com/e...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
solid performance-- came across naturally and believable, blend of professionalism and good ole fashion ass-kicking anger. It was smooth but not overly slick; no suit or tie and shot in store surrounding. Content was solid too, assuring customers everything that could be done was being done. One minor tweak: he doesn't appear to be looking directly at the camera.
- mark ivey
I wonder if they thought about making it a response to "that video" on youtube to get the eyeballs needed to make this count..
- Tom Masiero
Ari - it's more than "just pizza" - it's the livelihood of 125k employees. We are focused here on a textbook response, but this is also a clear demonstration of the power of leverage that SM holds: two idiots can do major damage to the brand, the company, and by ultimately to the employees. Hat's off to Mr. Doyle and his advisers.
- Bill Sanders
good response for sure, way to go
- sean percival
Rewatched it and yes he is reading it. Regardless, I think it was handled pretty appropriately.
- Jay Neff
good job. small nit: next time they need to move the teleprompter (or cue cards) either over or under the camera.
- MikeAmundsen
Video is good if Good Messenger (which Domino's guy IS) But also put the incident on my radar screen, which hitherto I was unaware of.
- JimmyJet
Wasn't aware of the incident but sure feel bad for the independent operator..
- MiaD
The woman in the Wendy's chili fraud case ended up sentenced to 9 years in prison and her husband (who bought the finger off a co-worker who lost it in an industrial accident) got 12 years. http://www.bluemaumau.org/wendys_...
- Kevin Fox
I wish that he was looking at the camera instead of a telepromter. Just sayin.
- Andrew Baron
Andrew: he's not looking at a teleprompter. I bet someone is holding a notepad with an outline on it for him.
- Robert Scoble
I haven't had Domino's in a long time. But, I'm happy to see that they put up this Video response to the malicious destruction of their Brand and business practices.
- rob friedman
good job. that was a classy way to 'avoid the noid.'
- grant fox
Hey Robert, can I use some of your reasons in a blog post in writing up about the Domino's issue?
- Kenneth
Kenneth: yes, feel free!
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert!
- Kenneth
"Everyone else is doing it right." Yeah, right. [What are the odds of that?]
- Craig Brownell
I kept hoping he'd actually look into the camera.
- James Miao
I agree with James. I was hoping that he would look at the camera like he's talking to his customers. I get that he needs to make sure he says exactly what needs to to said, but the way he kept looking away from the camera made it seem a little "stiff".
- Kenneth
like when dirk diggler looked into the camera during his documentary. that was powerful stuff.
- grant fox
Kenneth: that's a mistake someone who isn't media trained makes. I actually don't mind that because it makes it less slick.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is that they're multiple cameras and he's looking at the expensive one
- Bwana ☠
Robert: Really? If corporate heads are on camera, they should NOT look at the camera especially if they're not being interviewed? It looks natural not to look at the camera? You're definitely right...I'm not media trained. :) Looks like he was reading off of a script and didn't notice a camera at him.
- Kenneth
Who was he talking to? The sound guy holding the microphone to the right of the camera?
- Diego Barros
Kenneth: the only time you should look at the camera is when you want to speak directly to the viewer. You are right that he should have been speaking directly into the camera. Knowing where to look is part of media training. A good PR team could have helped (IE, one that had worked a lot with video before) but I can't really blame him. I still have trouble figuring this out. When I was on the BBC it was very difficult to look into the camera (it was aplate on the wall).
- Robert Scoble
i just have to say, that by him not looking in the camera, or really doing any of this before it seems adds to his character that he's a regular guy, not some PR trained monkey doing a dance for us.
- rob friedman
I dunno, I think it's more important that the response seem unrehearsed. I'll bet he did it in one take.
- Ken Morley
Well done Robert: not a surprise to see this crew recognizes excellence when they see it. Dominos did virtually everything right on this aspect of its response. having seen a few crises, this example is among the best. blogged it here: http://www.mediadeluge.com/post...
- Christian Anderson
Just to let folks know: the teleprompters I am familiar with allow the newscaster or talking head to look directly at the camera AND read the script. The result is like a HUD (heads-up display) for those familiar with video games or jet fighters.
- David Muir
Right David, but there are all kinds of "teleprompters" some low tech and some higher tech. the point is he was reading. It was okay, he did a great job in one take. It would have been better if he hadnt read it and looked directly at the camera, but because everything else was so well done, the reading gets a pass
- Christian Anderson
Not a fan of their pies, but kudos to Dominoes for the forthright reply and apology for the miscreants who brought this upon them. Hope they rebound well from this.
- JA Castillo
Definitely a canned response but still heartfelt and sincere. Plus we learned its a federal felony to stuff cheese up your nose on camera. Imagine what happens at McDonalds on a daily basis - now that's frightening.
- Chris Sparno
Very lucky that they had a CEO that even was willing to talk for YouTube in the moment; let's not now criticize him for his media training, or none will ever have the guts to do it again.
- Francine Hardaway
Rich: This is deadly serious for him. He's right to take it seriously and I'm sure he genuinely does.
- Michael Krigsman
So the real question is, who feels comfortable enough to order Domino's this weekend?
- Chris Bartow
I do Chris, even more-so now than before. This weekend will be the cleanest in the franchise's history :)
- Bwana ☠
@Karim: "snot in the pizza... what was safe to ingest again?" Years ago, I ordered a pizza (not from Domino's) and was surprised to see a piece of broken glass in it — and this particular glass shard had part of the pizza company logo on it! When I phoned them about it, they replaced the pizza in record time; of course, they asked for the broken glass back, too, so I couldn't keep the evidence.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor *shudder* i think i would have just given up eating pizza after that :-D
- Karim
The comments on You Tube are negative I don't agree with them, what is your opinion abut them? (They say Doyle is not sincere)
- Maurizio Goetz
Rule #0 - Youtube comments have the value of a single molecule of feces
- Bwana ☠
+1 Bwana!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
His response was right on and pretty smart for doing it via a video. It's sad but we are at the mercy of people that prepare our food. :-( I kind of feel bad for the kids because what they did shows a complete lack of intelligence. It would be nice if they took responsible and apologized in some sort of public forum.
- John McCullough
@John McCullough "we are at the mercy of people that prepare our food" and people who pilot the planes we fly in, treat our municipal drinking water, etc. I daresay we only appreciate them when things go horribly wrong.
- Victor Panlilio
@Chris White "The founder of Domino's supports Right to LIfe and Operation Rescue, which IMO, is worse than putting farts on sandwiches" Really? Watch the video at http://www.abortionno.org/ and see if you can stomach the idea that we dispose of unwanted human beings so cavalierly.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor, your comment as well as John's above you, reminds me of that line in Fight Club: "We do your laundry, cook your food and serve you dinner. We guard you while you sleep. We drive your ambulances..."
- Aaron Kurtz
@Aaron - almost everything we take for granted in "civilized society" depends on the everyday goodwill (and conscientiousness) of anonymous others. I've always thought that we need to become more mindful of the benefits we daily receive from these enablers of our well-being. Count your blessings, etc.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor, I couldn't agree more.
- Aaron Kurtz
Eye-Fi's 4GB WiFi SDHC cards start to ship out - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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Great concept, initial effort. Like that one can use wifi vs. proprietary 3G to transmit content. Also enables use of higher end devices vs. low end cell phone type cameras--yet enjoy similar real (or near real) time transmission. .
- JimmyJet
Too bad they don't produce cards that include GPS tagging (not sure if that is even possible) but it would be a great product.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, the Eye-Fi Explore does support GeoTagging.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Mike via GPS?
- Brian Sullivan
People who don't like my green avatar are not nice. That said I will change it soon.
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SCOBLE. SMASH!
- Jesse Stay
Scoble has become the Hulk | Saw this for the first time :-)
- Palin Ningthoujam
I think it's kind of cool. Green looks great on everyone.
- Chris Baskind
Hey, whatever it took to get your battery fixed :-)
- Todd Hoff
Looking at it all day only then realised its Scoble as the Hulk
- Nick Stone
Nooooo!!!. It just needs some more color.Like red horns or something ;-)
- Tapio Kulmala
I vote it stays for at least a month.
- Thomas Hawk
i don't mind with green, but the face looks scarry :-)
- Eris Ristemena
It's not easy being green.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I just thought that was a photo after all of the tequila!
- Lou Paglia
I say keep it. Most avatars are very drab. Not yours.
- Daniel Buckley
Keep this avatar. It looks cool. It looks like you had one too many glasses of green beer and then got pissed off after being irradiated at the hospital.
- imabonehead
Oh, it's not that hard. Kermit is such a drama queen.
- Chris Baskind
Looks fine to me
- LPH™ and his dog P™
After listening to the Gillmur (sp) Gang, I am shocked he literally didn't turn into the Hulk and smash Mike Arrington. :P
- Molly, "sorry"
Don't make Scoble mad. You wouldn't like him when he's mad.
- Aaron Tinling
@thomashawk WOULD like it because he made it. Personally I love it.
- Robert Scoble
Okay, I'm starting to get it. Real time is FUN!
- Aaron Tinling
Aaron: it is even more fun in bed! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I like it! It's funny!
- anna sauce
Robert: twss
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I love it
- Loic Le Meur
I'm with Loic - think it's perfect.
- alexia tsotsis
Green logo looks scary! Can't show it to my kid :)
- Krishna
liked for the green avatar. ;)
- Thomas Hawk
Yes... please change it... it's ugly
- François Lamontagne
Nice or not, all I know is I liked the smiling and friendly Scoble. Beside, this shade of green hurt my eyes. :)
- Moushumi Kabir
I like it too. (but that's only because my mother always told me to be polite to people you don't really know)
- Ton Zijp
I don't understand why people are having issues with your avatar. I mean, really? Get over it. It's you. It's green. Move on, people!
- Lise
Liked "The Green" Nuclear even ...the rest is skerry...vewwwy skeewwy
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The Green Av Rocks! Incredible Hulk Look!
- JimmyJet
If I had the time I would make a pink one - same pic, just pink.
- WorldofHiglet
There are people who don't like it? They must be very strange people... :)
- Grant Bierman
Please don't change it
- Mo Kargas
Do change it
- John Samuel
I have been struggling with its meaning for days. It gives me agita.
- Martha
Leave it, it has that 70's hulk feel to it...and most of us who geekily remember that 70's version get the meaning anyway.
- George Hall (Australia)
+1 George Hall
- chaz2b
Robert: That avatar image is how I picture you looking, each time someone on Twitter accuses you of making "too much noise." Don't blame Scoble for the noise - blame Twitter's lame interface and lack of filters!! :-)
- Jim Connolly
Why does anyone care about the effing avatar?!? I don't get it, it's the content that's interesting. Avatars are only meaningful to the person behind anyway.
- Johan Mellberg
from twhirl
dont change your avtar. it looks me really good.
- shahid
I think you should stick with it, try a new image and associated color every month
- Patrick Boegel
keep it, you're the hulk of sending web traffic ;)
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
I think its cool, maybe people should be able to set avatars for people :o
- Nicholas James
They're green with envy (sorry bad joke I know.)
- Richard A.
Hulky!
- Kelly W.
NO, It's cool green! - A good color to be.
- d. johnson
I can't stand it - where's the smiling guy pointing over my shoulder?
- James Hull
It is not very appealing.
- Walinmichi
Mr. Scoble, how come your "What I hate about real-time web " post in Scobleizer doesn't show up in my Google Reader feed of your FF? http://tinyurl.com/cjacz2
- Da
They're just jealous of your superpowers.
- Kirsti Scott
You should keep it. It is really funny and easy to understand.
- Alp
nothing wrong with that avatar. however, if (avatarColor()==#01C501){ hidePost(); }. j/k
- AJ Batac
There are so many deserving people that I'm giving away more money. Here's the winners:
Tyson Key, Thierry R. Andriamirado, Jens Christian Freund and 150 other people liked this
$1750: margaret chaidez who is bringing an 11-year-old girl from Egypt to Philadelphia for medical treatment. We will be live at http://www.ustream.tv/studio to talk about these winners shortly.
- Robert Scoble
$1750: David Rowley. 21-year-old who had a tumor and derailed his schooling.
- Robert Scoble
$1000 (extra prize): BJ Johnson to save his Big Sur Art Studio.
- Robert Scoble
Great choices :)
- directeur
Good choices
- Yant
$1000 random prize coming soon.
- Robert Scoble
Yup - both much more deserving than me! :)
- Chrimmus Tad
good choices Scoble :) you are a very nice, generous guy.
- Ahmed
Well done Robert.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It's like an episode of Extreme Makeover Home Edition but without all the crying.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Well chosen, congratulations to the deserving winners!
- Holger Eilhard
Lets go > Random!
- Francois
I agree, really deserving winners.
- Graeme Coleman
Yay!
- Alfredo
Good choice! Also can't wait till the $1000 prize!
- TheHenry
Why? It's not my business, but what caused you to want to do this?
- Sheryl
Move that BUS! Oh, wrong thing. Good choices though.
- Andrew Leyden
Well chosen Robert!! Speak for yourself @Akiva, <sniffle sniffle>
- Michael Listberger
do I have to answer a skiz testing question if I win the randon prize?
- Francois
This is really Awesome. Gives a whole new meaning to the term "Friend Feed"
- Eric Logan
excellent choices Robert...!
- Goktug Gedik
Congrats guys!
- Kol Tregaskes
great choice robert. your choices showed people that there is actually some good things still goine on... thank you for choosing at least 2 needed persons...
- Progresif Cem Gencer
@fallingwhistles | http://www.fallingwhistles.com/
- Tanner Powell
I just visited http://www.random.org, stuck in the numbers (we had 1428 comments). I clicked the button and got the answer "42." Steve Lowe is the winner of the $1,000 random prize. Congratulations to all the winners.
- Robert Scoble
42? NOT SO RANDOM! Just sayin' :) — Congrats Steve Lowe, seriously :)
- directeur
Robert, thank you so much! This is such a big help for Dolagy. I am thrilled that you are able to be a part of it.
- margaret chaidez
Congratulations to all of the winners!
- Aaron Draczynski
congrats to margaret, david, bj (*giggles*), and steve!!! y'all deserve it ~ happy st. patty's day! :))
- Kayce Maisel
Umm 42? Really? Wow.. how Random... Is this Random.org site run by a certain computer?
- CW™
Does that mean the question to life is "Who will Robert Scoble give money to?"
- CW™
Congrats everyone!
- Paul Maez
You definitely made some awesome choices! So glad you took this opputunity to do some good for a few people!
- Gerardo R. Monreal Jr.
Kewl.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Congratulations to the winners and thank you Robert for making it possible!
- Robin Stacey
I agree. A great gesture Robert. Congrats to all the winners.
- David Wynn
Congratulations!
- Grant Bierman
Robert, YOU ROCK! :D this has been fun to watch!
- Mistletoe Glen
$1000 (extra prize)? Sounds nice :) but for me the best prise would be... if you will twit about my project! http://xdbe.com :)))
- Elmira Gazizova
Great stuff Robert. Imagine if more people thought this way ....
- Charlie Anzman
Great choices :)
- Manuela
Nice. Good causes all around.
- Ted Roden
Congrats to the winners!!
- Simon Wicks
++ infinite
- sofarsoShawn
Looks like some well thought out and deserving selections.
- JimmyJet
Grats all !
- Mattb4rd
Nicely done, Robert.
- Anne Bouey
You have a big heart Robert. God bless you!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Congratulations Robert - Hopefully the money will help the winners. You did a great job with this contest. Cheers and keep up the excellent work!!!
- Andy Gongea
You seem like a good human being Robert, keep it up.
- Steve C
right on
- Josh Haley
So 42 really IS the answer to everything. =)
- Daniel Bruce
Fantastic all around.
- Micah Wittman
Great choices, congrats !!!
- Nir Ben Yona
I smiled BIG when I read that Margaret, David and BJ received your gift. Perfect. You done good, Robert Scoble. A hand out is a definite hand UP!
- Carlo At Your Service
Great stuff. Thanks, that was fun. And I'm motivated to do my thing anyway. And dust off "Hitchhiker's Guide".
- Mike Janicke
I'm back. Four teens killed in Roseville, MI yesterday by drunk driver (yep, the day before annual green beer/get drunk [for many] day today ... sad!) Families struggle to pay funeral arrangements. If I win, I'll give the $$ to their funeral fund and tell 'em that a Net wunderkind gave it to me, to give to them. They could really use it.
- Carlo At Your Service
Robert, I’m a little taken aback, this is absolutely fantastic; I can’t thank you enough. I’m currently in a computer cluster at university as all Virgin Media broadband connections where I live have gone down. I would’ve loved to have participated in more of a discussion, but this cluster closes in 15 minutes. My ISP predicts that I’ll be re-connected by 19:00 (GMT) on the 19th. I may...
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- Daniel Rowley
Pretty cool Robert. All the best to the winners and everyone else.
- Craig Mische
Wow, margaret chaidez is awesome.
- DGentry
When all hope seems lost champions always arise. Great going Robert.
- WilliamMuncrief
WOnderful deed you've created. Gratitude is in the air..and love from this..
- Lisa Saul
Congrats to those who won :)
- Rodfather
Even the wishlist comments went into the hat??
- Jesse Crockett
Well done, sir.
- Todd Tripp
Wow, this is super awesome! Congrats to all the winners, and Robert this was really cool of you to do, man! :D
- Carlton Hackett
I didn't win, but this was awesome. Way to stimulate the economy, Scobleizer.
- Mike Nayyar
That was fun, congrats to the winners.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Congratulations to the winners!!! Very generous of you, Robert
- Robbin
Respect for your Altruistic spirit and smart choices!
- bcultral
Thank you, Robert and Congratulations to the winners! May you be blessed.
- Melanie Reed
Congratulations to all the very deserving winners. And thanks Robert for hosting such an awesome contest. Please continue the good work. ;-)
- Shinil Payamal
Ummm, Wow. I hadn't checked Ff in a while because I was celebrating my anniversary (for real) and now this! Woohoo. What do I do now?
- Steve Lowe
I wish I could have won, but the top three are much more deserving of the money. Besides, Robert, having you promote my service when I finally get it launched would be worth much more than $1000 in my mind!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Robert, thanks again for all your help. I shared your gift with the team and they were speechless. I was listening to the broadcast from work and kept dropping the connection. I only caught about 15 min. I really can't tell you how appreciative I am for your help. Dolagy really deserves a chance at a normal life and now thanks to your donation, she is one step closer.
- margaret chaidez
Absolutely amazing choices Robert! Amazing opportunity for all of us to participate in the game of sharing and generosity! Congratulations to all the wonderful winners!!
- Amy Flynn
Great choices! Congratulations to the winners!
- Bora Zivkovic
Cool winners - nice selection :)
- Susan Beebe
WD Robert & FriendFeeders!
- Majento
Can the winners contact me at scobleizer@gmail.com ? Thanks.
- Robert Scoble
Done. Thanks.
- Steve Lowe
That was very nice of you to do and the winners are deserving!
- Grace Ciccone
Robert, I'm trying to track down the cisco data center video that this giveaway was based on? It's not on your blog anymore? Am I missing something?
- Francois
good choices, Robert :)
- Baard @ Pixum
Francois: Cisco asked us to unpublish that video until next month because it contained some info about one of its partners that is under embargo.
- Robert Scoble
thanks for the response
- Francois
Congratulations to the winners.
- Amit Morson
YAY! Very very awesome choices! Sniffle ... your big heart is, sniffle, inspirational!
- tracy
One of the internet's finer moments.
- Martha
Wow. 100% deserving individuals. I feel like this could be done WAY more on the Internet and enhance the world a little bit at a time (and strengthen the company's image too)
- Brandon Titus
Congrats Scoble.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
nice one
- Julian Edward
very generous, Robert. cool idea!
- Andy Sternberg
I would have liked to have the money, but sounds like the winners need it more. Congrats to all. Scoble, if you're dying to part with more money, I'm still willing to take it. :)
- Curtis Phillips
Big Congratulations to Margaret, David, and BJ, and thank you to Scoble for sharing the wealth and making a difference to these three people and the people their lives will touch.
- Auriette Lindsey
awesome, was definitely hoping Margaret would be one of the recipients.
- Scott Sorheim
Great and generous idea, Robert! Congrats to the winners.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Wow!, Robert. Thank You. Mind and heart reeling and speechless... Still up at 02:55 grindstoning away, paying so much attention to the $&!% storm at hand that I haven't had time to come in and see how things were progressing with your very, very difficult choices to make. I agree with the commenters' thoughts above; especially Martha who wrote that it is truly "One of the Internet's finer moments" and I am humbled by it. May we continue on to do the same for others one day not too far off and do you proud.
- B.E. (BJ) Johnson
TechCrunch just broke my news: I'm joining Rackspace. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... More details here:
Joe K, Patrick Boegel, Marek Blazek and 116 other people liked this
More details on my blog at http://scobleizer.com
- Robert Scoble
On the Gillmor Gang in 30 minutes (at 3 pm Pacific Time) we'll go into even more detail.
- Robert Scoble
I have 16 months in the pool :-)
- Todd Hoff
Oh nice! Been working with Rackspace for years, great company.
- Mark Trapp
Robert, congratulations -- have a fun time and do interesting things!
- Michael Krigsman
congrats Robert! I'm sure we'll be working together more in the future then....
- Douglas Gourlay
He didn't want to be scooped again like with Google Voice :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Congrats on the new job :)
- Michael Forian
Congrats Robert, I love you man! "not in a weird way"
- Ahmed
Congrats on the new move. Are you going to be working out of the former Orange Julius stand, former Footlocker, or is there another part of the mall where they will put you?
- Andrew Leyden
Congrats Robert !
- Eric Berlin
Congratulations, Mr. Scobleizer!
- imabonehead
Techcrunch Crunchbase doesn't even have an entry for Rackspace yet, huh?
- Sebastian Keil
Congrats Pal.
- Thomas Hawk
sounds exciting!
- Tim Jaeger
Yup. All the best. The company I manage is a customer of Rackspace. We just like the way they work.
- Chris Nixon
Love it, I have a feeling you won't be forced out of there anytime soon and the will be able to value you much closer to your real worth.
- Christian Burns
Awesome!! Cool company, congratulations Robert on the nice job!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Great news, and good for Rackspace and you. Congratulations and give your wife and kid a kiss for me when you are back home. :)
- Karoli
Techcrunch breaking this news is just going to boost live listening for gillmor gang, it's a win win,
- Christian Burns
I presume this does not involve a move to Texas?
- Brian Sullivan
Building 43. Can't wait to see where you take it! Congrats Robert!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Congrats!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Too bad TechCrunch couldn't wait. Congrats on the Rackspace gig Robert!
- Jim Sparrow
Congratulations Robert, I look forward to all the quality content I’m sure building 43 will produce. Will tune into Gillmor Gang to get the full low-down.
- Daniel Rowley
We will stay in San Francisco.
- Robert Scoble
Congratulations Robert smart move on the creative commons licensing of your new content. So I assume you'll be using friendfeed less now?
- Pete Quily
Congratulations Robert!
- Alex Araujo (fotozine)
Congratulations Robert. FF serves up breaking news.
- Russellreno
And I thought you were going to get your head out of the clouds ;-) Congrats
- Ankush Narula
Awesome. Sounds ideal. Where will you work - from home or are you moving to Tx?
- Steve Rubel
Congrats, expectantly looking forward.
- Nir Ben Yona
Congratulations to both of you, Robert and Rocky!
- Holger Eilhard
Congratulations!
- Andy DeSoto
Congrats Robert. FYI - the company that I work for runs an enterprise SaaS application on Rackspace.
- Mike Doeff
Congrats, Robert! Watching you from sunny Palm Springs today.
- Joe Lima
Thanks everyone. Steve: we're building a studio in California, so we'll stay home.
- Robert Scoble
Congrats Rob and Rocky .. look forward to hearing more about this ...
- johnpiercy
Whoohoo!!! Robert. Watching The Gillmor Gang on TWiT.
- Molly, "sorry"
I am making a heroic effort to listen to the live stream from the Hilton, where the speed of the network is very random. But congrats!
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
Good company there, San Antonio is a great place and we're happy to have you join the "Family"!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Congrats on Joining Rackspace. Rackspace booth at SXSW-I http://tiny.cc/72kMo
- JimmyJet
Congrats Robert! With your skills, I knew you weren't going to be out of the job market for long.
- John A. Taylor
John, thanks! Actually I wasn't out of a job at all for any time.
- Robert Scoble
Ah man you joined the competition – Congratulations on your new venture, I will definitely be following @building43
- Kevin Tunis
Robert thinking back when you ask me at “off the grid” what my company did; how would you have described cloud computing and would you have thought that it would have took off like it did? I know Andrew Field did not get SQL Services online (SQL in a cloud) and a monthly subscription rate for SQL.
- Kevin Tunis
Congratulations Mr. Scoble. Looking forward to hearing more of your endeavors.
- JA Castillo
Awesome!
- Mitchell Tsai
Awesome! I remember when you did the interviews there. Great Company, with an incredible future. Congratulations!
- Michael Fidler
Congrats, Robert!!! Please tell Rackspace that their "Fanatical Support" ad campaign scares me. It's just an intimidating concept, like if I call I am going to have to end up issuing a restraining order...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Well done! Best of luck with the new path.
- Martha
Hey, I know a Building 43 full of people fanatical about the internet...hmmmm. ;)
- EricaJoy
Congrats. It'll be great to see how it develops.
- jjprojects
Congratulations Robert on the new joining. And best of luck for the future with Building 43.
- Shinil Payamal
good luck!
- Stalyn☂
Congrats, sounds like we should all get ready for a ride.
- Shane Wolsey
Rackspace rocks. I'm a corporate customer of theirs. They truly are a unique provider... Plus Mosso and the whole cloud strategy is kickin.
- Jamie Grove
You're my hero *big hug*, no, I stop at having to kiss you
- sofarsoShawn
cloud computing just got an awareness boost :)
- Travis Parsons
Congrats Robert! I'm a Mosso customer and I absolutely love it. rackspace is awesome and just got better! excited to see what comes of it!
- andy brudtkuhl
congrats - I hope we get a chance to catch up while here at SXSW in Austin
- Shannon Clark
Congrats Robert .. When are you going to share some special hosting discount coupons .. Pirillo should not be the only one with coupon codes in his RSS ..
- John Clifford
congrats!
- simonpure
Congratulations Robert!
- Charlie Ramirez
My official Kindle 2.0 review: it absolutely 100% freaking rocks. Fixed all the problems with the first one that I bitched about. Onward!
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can you hook a brotha up?
- sofarsoShawn
I got one for my wife. After fooling around with it for a couple of days I might have to take the plunge myself.
- Tom Landini
What is all the fuss about anyway?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Really thinking of getting of these when they (finally) arrive in the UK. You'd have thought they'd have sorted out a network partner by now!
- Martin Bryant
Do you not mind not having a card reader anymore? How is its native support for unconverted PDFs, HTML, other ebook formats, etc. now?
- mark zero (Jason)
In an isolated view the device may be great (although I hear it´s not all that from other users), but in the greater perspective I don´t need *another* gadget for one specific task, and lock-ins on both the media and the network.
- Thomas Bøhm
I can't count the number of times I put a Kindle in my shopping cart, only to take it back out (this was the 1.0 version). Now it seems the 2.0 is getting even better reviews so it may wind up back in the cart again.
- craterdweller
Frode: the Kindle lets you read comfortably in bright sunlight. Since I live near a beach, I really like this and is the main reason I bought one. But I can buy and store tons of books on it.
- Robert Scoble
You may get a kick out of a comment by a 7th grader I overheard. "How long will school be a building"? Also, when will the kindle replace those heavy book bags?
- William Theuer
Does anyone here have experience subscribing to RSS feeds in a Kindle? Is it worth doing?
- Tom Landini
So it's not too heavy? Rubel was a lil cocerned about weight? Can you get it anywhere else but Amazon?
- sofarsoShawn
Thanks for the review Robert. I am excited to hear this!! Anyone else getting one?
- Adriana
Dear Robert. check your gmail please. I'm sad copious really. please Help us :( excuse me for impertinent comment please too
- 1Fathi
It's official, getting one.
- Denise Howell
1Fathi: I get too much email and can't answer it all. Sorry. It would be nice if you used a real name here on friendfeed so I could have a chance of finding your email. Or, at least, it would have been nice for you to tell me what the email was about. I have thousands of emails. How can I find yours?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: You're ok with being sucked into a proprietary format while Amazon sells them hardware at profit? I'm fine with going proprietary, as long as they seller subsidizes the hardware. I'm happy to support them on the backend as long as they help me out on the front end, but if they're selling the hardware for a profit, then it should be able to read every open format there is, (PDF, .txt, .doc), without me having to send it to them for market research *cough* "converting".
- Matthew DeVries
I think the aspect of the Kindle that is both the killer feature and the most ignored aspect is the realtime attributes of the device. People like to talk about the screen or the button configuration, but the fact that I can type in the name of a book and then have the full book in my hands to read that minute... that's what makes it an amazing device.
- Andrew
Matthew: I bought it for one reason: to read books. If I cared about all that stuff I'd buy a Netbook (which I also have already done).
- Robert Scoble
Matt - You pay up on the front end but make your money back on the back end. When was the last time you paid 9.99 for a new release book? The books are cheap. The device saves you money over time, if you read a lot of books.
- Andrew
there's a reason some talk about the screen. it encourages my eyes to take a break from the computer while still doing something interesting to me that would otherwise either: 1. still require a display screen or 2. step away from technological conveniences.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
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- 1Fathi
Not magazines? Newspapers? Collaboration documents? Professional Journals? Scientific Literature? Microfiche conversions?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, I use Mobipocket Reader to convert other formats (PDFs, txt, HTML) an load it on the Kindle. There is no need to send it to Amazon. There is also no need to ever buy a DRMd Kindle edition of a book (though that defeats much of the purpose of its wireless ability). I was already loading several free books from Project Gutenberg, until I discovered that there are people already offering public domain books for free download from Amazon.
- Rob Haas
screen is too small. seriously - the thing is twice as big as the screen and you only want the screen. cant' believe I'm the only one seeing this.
- Torkel Danielsson
I have playing around with it for the past couple of days and I like it already. I have already started reading much more :)
- Bindu Reddy
Come on Amazon. Don't let it be like the Zune. Release the thing over here in the UK
- Andy
Remember your Diss of v. 1.0 and even though other reviews I have read of 2.0 indicate incrementalism, you seem to suggest that key fixes have been made--and as such make the upgrade an important one.
- JimmyJet
My wife has been hinting she might want one. Thanks for not giving me reasons she wait longer. :P
- MarkCarras
Scoble likes Kindle 2.0... whoop!
- The Way Things Are
The Sony Reader (bebook, etc) may be a better alternative for those not wanting the kindle. Sure the wifi is cool, but not that essential ( just copy the books before you leave home). Kindle is getting all the media attention because of amazon, but even when (or if:) it becomes available in Canada, I'm still using my Reader.
- Rui Pereira
It weighs Nothing and it saves my carpal tunnelled hand a lot of grief. And you need more than a screen because there's a whole keyboard you can use for stuff.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Those knobby dials on the Sony Reader bugs me.
- Mona Nomura
As soon as one comes out in Australia I'm definitely buying one.
- Bryce Roney
Robert, I'm happy you've discovered the joy of Kindle reading. I'd love to have you as a guest on my Kindle Chronicles weekly audio podcast for a 10-minute phone interview. Last week's guest was Amazon's Ian Freed. Please Twitter DM me @LenEdgerly if interested. http://TheKindleChronicles.com
- Len Edgerly
Does anyone know if I buy a Kindle in the USA and then bring it to Canada will it work? Can I still buy books and download?. Just asking
- walterh
You can use the Kindle in Canada, you just don't have access to the over the air store - you have to connect it to a computer to put books into the Kindle. It appears you need a US credit card if you want to buy books from amazon, though. See alos: http://www.revsoftware.ca/blog...
- Rui Pereira
Kindle 2.0 is going to give ebooks a big push forward. The traditional hardcopy book publishing industry will be facing stresses similar to those now being experienced by the newspaper industry. Ebooks provide numerous important advantages over traditional books.
- Sean McBride
Wow! I'd love to get a Kindle - as soon as they strip out the DRM on the e-books.
- Tom Raftery
By the way, compare Robert Scoble's excellent review of the Kindle 2.0 with Jeff Jarvis's peculiar remarks on Twitter. :) It could be that Robert is a better guide to cutting-edge technologies than Jeff. (Jarvis blamed the Kindle for downloading problems that were actually caused by Sprint. Tech savvy, not.)
- Sean McBride
I so need a Kindle. Can't wait for them to be sold in Europe. I'm thinking birthday present.
- Erwin Blonk
New Twitter movement: unfollow everyone. Discuss why or why not this is a good thing:
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@loic started this with a script he had built. He unfollowed everyone yesterday and now only is following 22 people.
- Robert Scoble
@loic told me it feels like he took a bath.
- Robert Scoble
@loic says that having a small number of people he intimately follows lets him build real relationships online again.
- Robert Scoble
i just think people shouldnt take all of this so seriously.
- Terry O'Fee
Is there a way to do this (as in mass deletion option?) Thanks.
- hawk12online
@loic says that if you try to follow thousands of people there's no way to see all the tweets. That is true. If I refresh Twitter.com as fast as I can I can't see all the Tweets coming into my account.
- Robert Scoble
I have been actively unfollowing--not everyone--but anyone that seems not directly relevant or familiar to me on some level. Twitter has become a far richer experience since employing this technique
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Well how will you will you filter than or get to the things you like? A group of people you follow is in my experience one of the best information filters you can have.
- rick
I'm now following just over 100 people anyway
- VIVANO
there is more than one way to do twitter. both the @loic and @scobleizer way are right.
- Peggy Dolane
Oh, I'm sure it's an annoying mess with about 400 items per minute that mean absolutely nothing to you
- Dorian Muthig
Are you gonna unfollow everyone too, Robert?
- Reuben Thum
i have some really good friends i talk to on a regular basis. some i have conversations with. some proper celebrities because i cant help myself. the rest i suss out. if all they can talk about is ff and twitter, i may unfollow myself.
- Terry O'Fee
@loic and I see that there's something new happening. First, search like http://search.twitter.com is totally changing our inbound. Second, using services like friendfeed lets you group and manage large numbers of followers, so you'll still have the inbound, especially as more and more people join both friendfeed and Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
instead of unfollowing, I use FriendFeed to filter/group the tweeters according to their priority for me
- Alexander Benker
I agree Robert- following folks sometimes can be a total waste of time and waste of twitter. Quality over quantity seems to be the new movement of late and I have to agree fro the most part-I am tired of getting spammed and DMed by spam which we all have to delete. But I have always followed quality- and that is why I am responding to your tweet dude.
- DougFirebaugh
Sure when you have the amount of followers that you do and they will just listen it makes sense. But not for the average user of twitter. It's not about just being followed. I think you may have lost touch with the whole thing. You two are in the top 2%. Twitter is a completely different user experience than the other 98%.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
So are we calling this Follower Bankruptcy?
- Mike Doeff
This one of the reasons to have track, so you can follow your real friends and still discover new people
- Christian Burns
Robert, Twitter is a river of 140 char messages. Dive in when you feel like taking a bath. Get out when you had enough. Loic and you should stop whining about the drawbacks after you start following thousands of people ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
let's see robert unfollow everyone in friendfeed too. hah, that'll be the day.
- Terry O'Fee
Reuben: I haven't decided to yet, but @loic sure makes a good case for it.
- Robert Scoble
IMO, it's not a great idea. People will see this as a negative action toward them and unfollow you. If everybody were to unfollow everybody they know, twitter would become a meaningless array of nothingness. "If it ain't broke, don't unfollow it."
- Zerhynn
I have never bought into the mass followers approach and find that I have to find at least 2 or 3 tweets interesting within a page or two, in anybody I would choose to follow. I am interested in connection with people with similar interests and I don't think it makes sense to just build up volume.
- Kirti Vashee
There's certainly a buzz around this, we just talked about it on our podcast tonight. What sucks about unfollowing is losing the news-stream of information you're trying to capture--stuff you may not have notice/found. Maybe Twitter should implement groups, a'la tweetdeck?
- Paul Salzman
Although I do agree that you do not need to follow thousands of people.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
interesting concept - guess that is what I use tweetdeck, friendfeed and socialmedian for to allow me to focus on issues because I carefully selected the people I follow after reviewing their sites I see merit in unfollowing everyone just as I see in using third party apps - it depends on the individuals preferences
- Lionel Spearman
It's both good and bad. For one if your reduce the number of people you follow to a minimalistic amount you can build richer and more vibrant relationships with the select few. The bad however is that your world view is now much smaller than what it would have been. I'm actually thinking about unfollowing a mass of people to get back into a manageable range where I can read all of there tweets and then search for anything else.
- Jimminy Fuller
Why is it a new movement when SM gurus start doing it? I follow those that have similar interest or to learn different point of views. I have no goal to have the most followers or the best twitter grade. Twitter is about the relationships you build. Friends are relationships that I have built over years of trust and loyalty.
- Kyle
I would consider it, but I would have trouble shutting out that many. I am following 1000 and being followed by 1500
- Christian Burns
Having just decided to join the follow you movement I think unfollowing everyone is an unfriendly move, why not make a group for the 22 friends you really want to follow:)
- Suzie Cheel
Then there are some who follow then unfollow and follow again. lol.
- Carolyn Chan
One problem with not following everyone: only people you are following can send you direct messages on Twitter. That's one thing that's keeping me from running @loic's script. @loic points out, though, that most of my DM's are now spam. He's right.
- Robert Scoble
I've been speaking about that for a weeks, and applying it, glad it's finally trickling to the a-listers.
- Richard A.
So the question is, when will FF get DMs?
- Christian Burns
you still have email, robert :P
- Terry O'Fee
Not sure I agree. Even with a small "following" I get real nuggets via DMs. Besides - it is rude to mass unfollow :)
- Rob La Gesse
I kind of wish I could limit my follows to 150
- Christian Burns
I have been thinking about this a lot. Recently I blogged about how opening up my Facebook to everyone who wanted to connect was not really resulting in meaningful relationships. We don't have the time to be engaged with that many people. We can put content out and discuss when they respond, but to actually use the medium in the way I used to when I had just a couple friends on there is no longer possible with so many people. Likewise, with Twitter.
- AV Flox
I won't be sad or hurt if @Scobleizer unfollows me. Frankly, not all my tweets are that relevant to the guy. Just so long as he checks his @replies and answers me every blue moon, that still falls in the category of a good relationship on Twitter. @shelisrael has an unfollow/follow as you go motto described on his blog, it makes sense to me.
- Phillip
It was my script. I'm the new guy at seesmic. I wrote it for loic today. if anyone wants it, I've got it. kick this movement into high stream. If you look at the first person in loic's follow list, its me now :-)
- Zac Bowling
But Robert, I thought you couldn't check your DM's? I remember seeing quite a few tweets from you saying "DON'T DM ME - EMAIL ME INSTEAD" etc.
- Brandon LeBlanc
from twhirl
What a load of BS. Do the math.
- Stephen Grant-Jones
Since I run much smaller number that Loic & Robert, my systematic subtractive technique works--if I had thousands of spamming DM--I would run Loic's script.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Brandon: I tried getting people to not send me DMs. Doesn't work. People were trying to do business with them (and still are). It's probably the single reason why I won't run the script.
- Robert Scoble
I love the spontaneity and surprise of many friends. I would never give it up. I discover things every day that delight me.
- John Kremer
Besides, if I really need to send Scoble a DM I can just call his Cell phone
- Christian Burns
A lot of the conversations that are still happening are interesting but the relationships built are no longer as close as they were when I had only a couple of followers. It's funny that you tweeted about only having 150 followers on Friendfeed and that's more conducive to quality relationships. Isn't 150 the Dunbar number? Loic's movement is worth reflecting on. I've been making use of Tweetdeck again to scale down the groups. It's helped but Loic's solution is seductive.
- AV Flox
This can be very short sighted. A great way to send the message, I don't want your business or money.
- Sylvia Webb
it would almost be a good idea except for one thing - @reply can only be seen by followers. It would be great if this were not the case, and I can see the spam potential if it were, but limiting @reply to followers, if you;re not following anyone, means everyone is in a big room shouting over each other instead of conversing.
- Brian Benz
New craze for newbies to twitter, following a small number of people and filter the rest for useful conversations. Quantity is not quality!
- Carl Plant
People that I follow on Twitter, for the most part, aren't "friends" in any normal sense of the word. Most of them are unaware of my existence. I tend to selectively follow (previewing someone's stream before following) and actively unfollow (usually when I see a page full of "Welcome, @one" and "Welcome, @two" messages).
- Mistletoe Glen
i'm far more suspicious of those following me than i'm concerned about who I follow. I'm always looking to prune my Twitter follows and -- what can I say -- it's hard... lots of people in my twitterfeed tend to add value more often than not!
- Andy Sternberg
Also, does this approach not create a new A-list in a different place?
- Brian Benz
Just goes to prove that Steve Gillmor is always right, eventually you will see it his way :)
- Christian Burns
Do what works for you. If it stops working for you then make a change. I don't think there is any reason for debate here. To each his/her own.
- Katherine Druckman
@Robert it isn't possbile to say to people not to use DM. And if you feel like you should build up such a large crowd you follow or that follow you then accept the consequences. You get value because it lets you be an information hub and provides you overall sex appeal in the tech community. In return you will have to accept that people try to get access to you to get back some of that value for themselves or their products.
- Alexander van Elsas
if it ain't broke. don't fix it. i wouldn't unfollow everyone but i do find myself filtering more. being open and keeping channels 2 way has allowed me to meet some amazing contacts interested in doing business in China. to unfollow people would be to cut off these channels for me. a lot of these contacts are via DM. everyone's got a different way of using twitter.
- Christine Lu
Brian: why? Not sure what you're getting at there.
- Robert Scoble
It's not necessary to see all the tweets. You can use Tweetdeck and other services to make sure you don't miss your favorites. I still love the nuggets I discover -- like this post -- that I would not discover if I stopped following so many people.
- John Kremer
I can make it easy for @loic. Nuke the account and start over following the 22 people.
- Christian Anderson
Am I wrong to say that if you use Twitter search @yourusername you can't see @replies from people NOT following you? I tried it and it seems to work for me.
- Phillip
Christine: it's all broken, it's just that I have gotten used to routing around the fail whales and the stream flowing through Tweetdeck. I "media snack" and just sample from the stream flowing by. It doesn't bother me too much either way. I do find that friendfeed is a far better place and it's great to see more and more people discovering that.
- Robert Scoble
Phillip: bing! Oh, by the way, I'm following everyone on this thread. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Geez, Loic is like the drama queen of the web.
- Orli Yakuel
Christian: actually that's probably what I would do if I was tired of a high-flow account: just start a new account with only a few friends and lock down the followers. Maybe that's the solution for true addicts like me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm unfollowing everyone on twitter and friendfeed who I don't know personally or isn't local. Sorry peeps, Twitter and friendfeed works best like that. Once I get everything clean, feel free to let me know you're still following me and I'll follow back.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Orli: oh, if you can't have some drama what fun is social media? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I have a simple, less radical set of rules: 1) use groups, 2) un-follow anyone who spams you with direct messages and 3) move questions/conversations to friendfeed.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert, stay as you are, please.
- Orli Yakuel
Orli: don't worry, I'll always follow you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I too use FriendFeed's and TweetDeck's group functions to prioritize the tweets that comes in from my followees.
- Vinko
52 pages, 1025 people I follow on twitter. Each one was added by me for a reason. No auto-follow. First person ever followed was Jason Calacanis over two years agao.
- Christian Burns
My twitter name is @infoliberation. I find that Twitter is short and sweet and Friendfeed is for a much more robust conversation. I love the marriage of the two. I think Friendfeed is helped greatly by Twitter's jumping off point. What else can you say to that?
- Phillip
damn...right when my followership just started taking off. :-(
- Jason Salas
from IM
I agree with Katherine, to each his own. I've got just a wee 2000 followers, but enjoy popping in to respond to whatever random tweet catches my eye or relevant tweets I've found through saved topic searches. Hey, I even got a new client today - so I'm doing just fine with how things are now.
- Cheryl Allin
please people, let's try for tomorrow for a day on this where we dont talk about twitter or friendfeed. there's other stuff to talk about...
- Terry O'Fee
Robert, come on... this is not what I'm worried about. I think that you really know most of your friends, or for at least trying to communicate with people you don't know. With Twitter you get to know new friends & content based on the same taste/interests - to follow only people you know, is like taking two steps back. (and thanks for following me!)
- Orli Yakuel
Not sure why you would need to unfollow everyone to keep track of what your important people tweet. Just form a group of high-profile folks in TweetDeck and it'll do the same thing, plus you can still follow everyone else for when you want to jump in the stream.
- Cory OBrien
i just unfollowed a couple of folks, it's true, we can live without twitter,facebook and friendfeed. How about for lent we give up facebook, twitter and friendfeed?
- Dh'ennis Dömingö
Robert - Limiting followers = limiting DMs and replies and tweets you can see from others - In Loic's example 22 invitees (followers) that get to have a seat at the table while the rest of us can watch the action passively. TO me this would be as exciting as C-Span. :)
- Brian Benz
I cannot fathom following hundreds of people. I was in the 90s a couple of weeks ago so I pruned my list down to 78. Even that seems high but I couldn't go lower. I'm slow to follow folks, on Twitter & FF, because I'd rather follow a small group of folks I've a genuine connection with than a ton of folks I only have a vague sense about. Some folks tell me I'm doing social media wrong but I think that's silly. For me, social media is all about fun so what need have I of 1000s of followers?
- ♥patricia♥
I think everyone will find their own Twitter preferences. I'm following 606 right now. In a week or two I may clean out some of the driftwood - people who've gone silent or have switched to topics that aren't interesting, but then I'll add some new folks to make up for it. I don't catch every Tweet, but the stream keeps running. So long as it's populated with interesting folk, the Tweets that I do catch are more likely to be interesting as well.
- Heidi Cool
Orli: I've decided that @loic is wrong. But he's also right. Twitter, you see, is really broken for interacting with large numbers of people. Friendfeed is much better.
- Robert Scoble
I think Loic let things get out of control. Robert, considering how many followers you have, you seem to be able to manage your account better than anybody. If your truly are looking for a quality experience, you have to decide what works for you. I always thought it was about quality not quantity:-)
- Michael Fidler
@loic I think its cool that you rebooted who you follow
- Christian Burns
On Pownce I used to try to keep track of all posts (and followed fewer people) but Pownce was more indepth. On Twitter one can glean a lot from just a small percentage of what's there.
- Heidi Cool
Robert, with that I agree: FriendFeed is better for long and real conversations.
- Orli Yakuel
I agree groups in tweetdeck help you filter very well without missing some occasional random tweets. keeping up with your @replies is more critical than every single tweet.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Robert - you should unfollow everyone and see what happens. make sure that script stores everyone you are following in a db in case you want to re-follow after the test.
- Gerard
While I didn't unfollow everyone, I cut out a lot of who I was following. Might be rude, but it's not meant to be that way. i no longer have the time to follow so many people.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Gerard: it would cause too many messages to fly around. People get their feelings hurt if someone unfollows them.
- Robert Scoble
If I unfollow people, then I'd be digitally talking to myself. I can do that IRL
- Outsanity
My feelings wouldn't be hurt - I'd doubt if I'd even realize it - that's not what I'm using Twitter for - just silly to me.
- Cheryl Allin
Outsanity: that's not true. Who you are following is your inbound. You can get inbound other places, like http://search.twitter.com or http://www.twittervision.com
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is what you want it to be. That's one of the fascinating things. My own view of it has changed a dozen times since I started. Everyone has their own philosophy about how to use it, and they are all valid. As for me, I'm simply not going to follow anybody who doesn't follow me, and I will follow anybody (as long as they are real) I just unfollowed loic. The World is flat. Will I miss out? Perhaps, but if I want to know what the 'important' people are thinking I can just go to their sites.
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: You're currently "following" 69,188 people on Twitter. If one of those people has their feelings hurt because you unfollow them and they no longer have 1/70,000th of your attention, they have a screw loose.
- Ken Sheppardson
Twhirl gives you inbound with saved searches, each search a tab stream. I love it. Create a saved search for keyword 'RT' and see what's hot or a saved search like 'chrisbrogan' and follow him and all who @ him.
- Cheryl Allin
I say bite the bullet, clear things out, add some searches in Tweetdeck or one of the "track" services, and follow people manually as your real relationships warrant. You can alway run a script to just follow everybody later if you miss the noise.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: I unfollowed according to three criteria 1. Does the person follow more than a thousand 2. Does the person respond 3. does the person tweet links and RT rather than content, the fourth is whether you're unlucky enough to tweet when I'm in unfollow mode. Result: A more social timeline.
- Richard A.
Sounds like Loic needs to fix Twhirl to manage his followers better. He doesn't have to pay attention to every single one, but he does need a way to build relationships with those he wants to. Twhirl is horrible at this.
- Jesse Stay
@Richard Azia: I couldn't have agreed with you more on your criteria.
- Reuben Thum
@Jesse Stay, I use twhirl and it's fine for what I do, but that's because I culled my follow list removing all those that aren't active conversationalists.
- Richard A.
Reuben, My timeline is far more fun now as a result :-). Took a few experiments to find the right method though.
- Richard A.
@Richard Azia: I did the same thing like you did, too. Instead of auto following people blindly, I use an auto follow app, but manually unfollow spammers and users based on similar criteria you've mentioned.
- Reuben Thum
At a certain point if you had autofollow on you have no choice but to start over because a) you can follow the number of tweets and b) you will stress the Twitter servers out.
- Jason Calacanis
Reuben. I don't use auto follow, For me to follow someone new I want to see how converstional they are first. That's when I might consider them on twitter.
- Richard A.
Robert: Is this the flip side of what Jason and Michael were taking you to task on a few weeks back on GG? Is it time to do more meaningful *listening*?
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: I 'think' I was the first person with over 20k followers to do this. Though in my case, I totally reset my account - zero following / zero followers. http://jimsmarketingblog.com/2009... it has been a universally great experience to me and massively increased the value of Twitter to me.
- Jim Connolly
Ken: yes, I think this has a big part to do with addiction too. You keep trying to follow more and more until you snap.
- Robert Scoble
An interesting idea, as I have found I have followers but a very select few who actually respond regularly, I wonder if it is matter of depersonalization, losing what it once represented as a means to an end. Certainly it could be a good idea, but many of those who I have found were those who had spoke on something of interest in the wide swath of sea that is twitter. So I will consider it, but am not sure if there will be follow through anytime soon. Though I guess it would depend also on how effective.
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
As someone has probably already pointed out in a more eloquent fashion, Loic's company makes a Twitter client. Surely he should build tools into that client to make the overload problem more manageable and certainly not try to set a trend of "hey it's cool to unfollow lots of people now". That sort of sends the wrong message to people about your company and it's thinking.
- Pete Gilbert
I don’t see how this is even an idea to be considered. If we unfollow everybody and everybody else unfollows the rest, then Twitter will become a very lonely place. Boring place with no use what so ever… I strongly disagree with this.
- Spyros Papaspyropoulos
agreed @peter, it's nonsense, companywise, to promote that kind of message when you try to spread your twitter tool.Anyway, I think it's more a trend problem, the 2009 fashion is to unfollow everyone and @loic cannot do unfashioned thing because this is how he builds his reputation and his company notoriety.Dommage...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
There is no point being on twitter if your purpose is to broadcast. For broadcasting blogs and other platforms are more interesting. If you take dialogue away from twitter you undermine the most active members of the community because they will feel people are using the site too passively. Why do you think social networks fail, lack of involvment. At least by reducing the number of people you follow you increase engagement on a per person basis. It becomes personal once more.
- Richard A.
It's beginning to feel like the @1938media technique--in reverse--sans personality shift. Loic will now certainly be the topic of many blog posts in the next day or two.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Spyros: totally wrong. We'd still be here at friendfeed and http://search.twitter.com would still show us other people.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert and what is the criteria to detect people in such a huge stream? Come on, this is a network thing: you follow someone because someone else you share interest with has followed him, much more than picking up in twitter "all" stream...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
Jean: I am very adept at scrolling through a huge list of names and telling you something about most of them. Friendfeed is where I spend most of my time, though.
- Robert Scoble
GREAT idea Loic, way to prove your software really can't handle the numbers. This is a weird move from a very smart man.
- Jim Connolly
Understand, Robert, but I think that setting up filters (like you did) is a better way than unfollowing people, which seems to be a "2009 trend" with no real reason, even more when you promote a twitter tool.You barely say "my tool suck, so I can't do anything but unfollow you'.Bad move, IMO.
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
I think Loic displayed a certain degree of immaturity in handling twitter as a tool. It is as overdone to follow everyone as it is to unfollow radically. Inspired by the debate, I felt a bit like Moses today ( ;-) ), and subsequently assembled bloggi's Ten Commandments of Twitter: http://bit.ly/ten-commandments
- Mark Jacobs
Jean: agreed. I like friendfeed as an answer a lot more. Just open up a list and put the people you want to really follow in there and keep everyone else out.
- Robert Scoble
If everybody unfollows everybody else then there is no twitter
- Mark Fletcher
@yann I'm also french and I don't understand too.
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
As Twitter's user numbers have INCREASED it's usability (to me) has DECREASED. Is it just me?
- Jim Connolly
I can understand Loic's reasons, but I don't agree with it. I don't personally know 95% of the people I follow on twitter. It is however neither relevant nor important for that to be a pre-requisite to starting an interesting conversation. I don't auto follow people and i only pay attention to whoever I want to irrespective of the number of people i am subscribed to. Moreover, a large number of people have occasional sparks of interestingness. So if one can learn to ignore; the more the better.
- Parth Awasthi
@Jim_Connolly It is the old law of decreasing returns when new media trivialize. But usually, I am pretty untouched by it since (having been around since February 2007 in twitter) I only follow some 350 people to this day. So I get a good result from my circle of followees. Also, I try to give by helping out new twitter users who have questions.
- Mark Jacobs
@Scoble have you unfollowed everyone?
- Waldemar Schott
@Parth_Awasthi I think, lioc created a big mess by first auto following, and now seeing no other way out than to unfollow. Somehow, it makes me giggle a bit :-)
- Mark Jacobs
You guys have way too much free time on your hands with this nonsense.
- Wayne Schulz
Too much drama. It's funny how many social networks bemoan lack of users and with Twitter, the opposite problem is the subject of complaints - "there's too many bots and DMs! oh my!" Bleh.
- Eric Gonzalez
I really don't share opinion about Loic putting this on a personal way. This is a strategy mistake (company-wise), a trend mistake (2009-ish fashion)...But not a big head problem. Loic had thousands reasons to have a huge head issue before and did not, so I don't see why it would be the case now
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
Robert Scoble: What about the people that are using only Twitter? What about the ones that don't use FriendFeed? Ok, we might be crazy having many many accounts on most of all social platforms, but other only use one or two. By unfollowing everyone, there is no Twitter as Mark Fletcher said.
- Spyros Papaspyropoulos
I'd agree with someone earlier Loic wants to keep his followers but follow less bet he wouldn't have started that policy at the beginning otherwise he would have a few k followers at most! If he had real balls then he would delete his account like @jimconnolly did and start fresh but he wont as he still wants to 'use' the big following he has, talk about one way!
- roger byrne
don't have to start unfollowing anyone as i didn't start following everyone in the first place.. never really understood the auto-following of twitterers i started following.. you've got twittersearch to find people with common interests..
- Johannan Edelman
@scobleizer @loic So much as issues matter, people also matter. Unfollowing people because there is an alternative way to search for issues or interests is limiting the scope to generate them in the first place. Following more people signals belongingness and interests or issues heard. On the other hand, small followings signals selfishness and is the same as 'greed is good'.
- Moses Kpetigo
Interesting: so would @loic also encourage all his followers to stop following him? so he could stick with his few twitter fellows? If I remember, he was the one all about numbers and authority. It seems like, once you've reached enough, you're safe ppl will follow you no matter what, you have good "authority" and then you can unfollow all the mass and become a Twitter snob? It sounds too much like a strategy to me. In which he succeed, no doubt. Will he lose credibility? I wonder.
- May
I like Robert's snack analogy: I consider Twitter as a news source roughly tuned to my general interests via who I decided to follow. In this respect I could follow lots of people, since it makes sure that each time I go to Twitter, I will find something interesting to me. I know I won't be able to read everything, but I don't care, it's just like in a book store I know I can't read all the books, but I like to sample in the sci-fi shelves
- Antoine Bertier
@loic is becoming way too elitist lately. i didn't hear him complaining when he was following thousands of people to promote seesmic!
- Alensa
@antoine Exactly right imho most have never claimed and quite the opposite actually specified they don't/can't read every tweet but when they are on they are on and dip into the party! Loics party just got real small! ;)
- roger byrne
while search.twitter.com is useful, twitter puts you on the front of the wave not searching to catch up afterwards
- Mark Parssey
There are Wars currently on this planet, half of people dont have anything to eat, drink, there is a global economic crisis, but all that is bullshit compare to Twitter... Right? GrRRRrRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Didier Lahely
All in all, Twitter and FriendFeed are really nothing more than a Yahoo chatroom. Way too much noise and too many people that need to get over themselves.
- Charles Baldwin
i constantly wonder how you keep up with sooooo many followers. doesn't it drive you nuts????
- Francisco Kemeny
My twitterverse contains people I pay attention to, people that I have so I can search and some that I just follow for a moment and then remove.
- Josef Finsel
from twhirl
Human attention spans (and time) are limited. Twitter and IMing are a large 'experiment' , still a work in progress--the jury is out!
- JimmyJet
If you have so many followers that you have to unfollow because you didn't follow based on what the people were saying, but instead followed to up your "network", then Twitter probably isn't the venue for you. Check out MySpace and do that...
- Nicki Laycoax
*yawn* what's new here? nothing. @fidlr and others started the twexpire type experiments (look up the script if you care) long ago; not loic or scoble. i specified the #egosphere vs. #cognosphere usage scenarios long ago. @JimmyJet and @DidierLahely sum it up well. In another sense, all of this is IRC and Usenet for dummies.
- michael silverton
it's a good exercise to see how much you really miss the tweets of those you unfollow. And also see how many of them will remain followers after you unfollow.
- Mihai Secasiu
I'd argue that having 23k followers is 'doing it wrong' & you should unfollow and start over. I follow 329 right now and the signal-to-noise ratio is manageable. It's a mix of people I know intimately, casually and professionally, and that's where I have the conversations and relationship-building. Next is a handful of news and interesting/high # of followers people. Then, a few individuals with similar numbers as me I found interesting, which has allowed for Twitter-specific relationship-building.
- Laura Hall
I agree with @Johannan Edelman I have never used the autofollow function and have felt those I do follow provide value to me.
- Jill Howard Allen
As an additional note, if I were to increase my activity and wanted to manage those relationships, I'd start doing filtered lists.
- Laura Hall
Groups/filteting seems to be a more sensible and positive sltuion to the "too many followers" problem. eh.
- Doug Haslam
from twhirl
It's nice that people find what works for them, but there is no "doin' it wrong" There is only "doin it with clue" or "doin it clueless" ... if one doesn't know WHY one is doin' it, no life coach, guru, or A-lister can help. Form your own experiments and execute them. You need no approval or permission from any seeming authority figure. Look up #cognosophere and #egosophere if you care. P.S. PeopleBrowsr breaks ALL these assumptions; it's a completely new kind of literacy beyond Twitter and Friendfeed.
- michael silverton
I guess I just like to see what people are up to. Isn't that what it was all about before the marketing types took over? Now it's about "getting value" and "managing relationships". I joined so I could tell people what I was having for lunch.
- Shawn Farner
I like being in your Twitter stream, I like the idea that thought leaders and influential people like yourself occasionally get to read my updates. You know, once in a blue moon I come up with a great idea, and it's cool to know that in turn this might just inspire Scoble, or Fry for that matter, too.
- Terje Fjelde
On the other hand I hate reading about strangers "spending the entire day in bed" or "being bored," so I only follow people who add quality updates on my own account
- Terje Fjelde
the main issue comes from the fact Twitter does not help users follow and decide efficiently on new followers. Robert if you are interested we have created a new service called Topify.com. if you are interested i ll drop you an invite
- Ouriel Ohayon
Twitter has provide me a way to build a network of people and experts very quickly in fields where I previously did not have contacts or experience. To blanket unfollow would be like cutting my nose off in spite of my face.
- Stephen Terlizzi
How will this help...what will it do?
- John Flynn
ouriel: sure, send it to scobleizer@gmail.com
- Robert Scoble
robert: you ll get it in a few days, just after we migrated servers. i am sure you ll love it :)
- Ouriel Ohayon
That's not new. Loic didn't start a trend. I've only bee using these services since May and I've done it on several occasions and not just on Twitter. Several people have.
- Admiral Anika
I did that for a while on my first (now private/personal) account, and found myself going to 5-6 follower's Twitter pages to read the news (ala RSS reader days) a couple of times a day. Now that I have a public account, I creeped up to 75-100 again but am consciously rotating folks in and out of my "Top 50." My Twitterstream is like a living, breathing being, I guess! But by intensely following different people at different times, I learn something new and can move on. It's quality, not quantity.
- Carolyn
Robert - the idea of reducing who you actively follow and relying more on search notifications is the premise of this post: "2009 Prediction: As Social Connections Reduce, Keyword Tracking Increases" http://bit.ly/hfQq
- Hutch Carpenter
My .02 I do wish twitter had an "inbox" feature so I could divide up those I follow into categories and then read tweets as I like. I know tweetdeck does this but I don't like having to rely on two pieces of software to make it work. Feeding people into my rss reader would take forever. The FriendFeed model of being able to categorize people as you friend them is perfect. Then you can check up on a particular category of people anytime you like. (i.e. politicians, Social Media nuts, writers, etc)
- Sid Burgess
I think a lot of the "unfollowing" noise is reaction to those who are gaming their follower counts on Twitter. It's upset the numerical dominance of the traditional A-listers, who were already stinging from the arrival of *real* celebrities to the service. So now there's a swing back to exclusivity. I'm not sure Loic is wrong, though: I'm planning on significantly downsizing who I follow on FriendFeed. This format seems more suitable for conversation. Twitter is fine for a big, noisy stream.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: on friendfeed just stick the people you want to rarely follow into a list, or do what I did: put the people you REALLY want to follow into a list and read that everyday. That way you'll still have the massive inflows somewhere else when you want those too.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: there is something to that, by the way. But you've only touched the surface of the breakage that happened the past month. Go deeper there and you will find the truth.
- Robert Scoble
Chris - Lists have answered this quandary for me. The bacon memes are fun, but I didn't want them filling up my main feed. And during the day, I have a professional need to focus on the world of e2.0. Lists really do serve the purpose Loic set out to accomplish.
- Hutch Carpenter
unfollow everyone on twitter, FB and every other social network. UK scientists sez that these SN sites actually rewires the nueural network within the brain and thereby making an individual more selfish and self centered. Thus cause pyschological damage to themselves.. :(- (p.s Link will follow- I just heard it this AM on FM while communting to work !!)
- Peter Dawson
You have to be damn special for me to follow you, without you following me, and I try to only follow people with a near 1:1 ratio. There are of course, exception. Sarah Crisman unfollowed me one day, I never found out why, but I didn't drop her cause I like her content.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: I know that's an oversimplification. There are a number of factors upsetting the apple cart on Twitter, and not all of them are petty or nefarious.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: even the petty ones are deeper if you dig beyond the ego damage.
- Robert Scoble
Bad thing, and if you do it, you will confirm that you A-listers only exploited social media as your broadcasting tool for your own political agenda and not as a true conversation.
- Prokofy Neva
I got over the ego damage quickly cause # of followers never did matter. But what remains? Twitter has harmed its community. This is an easy mistake to make and it's one that comes out of @ev and @biz's arrogance. They rarely use their own tools, by the way. Look at @ev's account and tell me he's really a great Twitterer that talks with tons of people. He does not.
- Robert Scoble
What's even funnier is that the guy who actually came up with the idea for Twitter, @noah, is not one of the suggested followers while other people on the team are. I should write a book about how funny this all is.
- Robert Scoble
@loic seems to have quit over inane DM spam thanking for following, etc. Is there no way to stop automated use of the tools?
- Prokofy Neva
Prokofy: that's not really a good reason to follow everyone. But there are plenty of other good reasons, so I keep doing it. @Ryo you're off the rails. Get back on track. You're close to the track, but not on it.
- Robert Scoble
BS meme! the unfollowers just want to blast their mouths off and not listen to what others have to say
- DC Crowley
Prokofy: no. Twitter's DM feature really sucks. It always has. I just use it because everyone else wants to.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter's DM is a reinvention of a wheel named EMAILS.
- directeur
directeur: only done in the most lame way possible.
- Robert Scoble
Much like the FF comment system is a reinvention of vBulletin/phpBB, done in the most lame way possible.
- Ken Sheppardson
Lame? I like it.
- coldbrew
Prokofy: That is the same argument that went on for a few weeks back in November here on FF. @loic decided that unfollowing everyone was a better solution that to simply utilize the tools at hand to filter and refine his firehose. Instead of unfollowing everyone @loic could have taken these treasured 25 or whatever and put them in a tweatdeck group that brings only their DM's to him, with all the other DM's going ignored. DM's are NOT like email, there isn't an expectation of reply when you send a DM
- Matthew DeVries
Everything is a reinvention of Usenet or E-mail, or N. Just like everything on the Internet is a repost of a repost.
- Sam Levine
Let's play this out...if everyone unfollowed a significant % of those whom they don't care about...then it would INCREASE the ability to communicate with those they do care about without all the noise. I'm sure we would all agree this is a good thing. However, if we were to unfollow EVERYONE...are we little more than individual broadcasters that never allow for a two way dialogue? This would dramatically change the landscape of Twitter because a profound hierarchy would emerge: "follows" and "follow-nots"
- Drew Sams
Drew, I've been writing about that topic for a while now, but especially in recent weeks with the influx of new twitter users who don't attempt to converse yet.
- Richard A.
Don't you think it has incremental feature improvements each time though, Levine?
- coldbrew
Depending on how you use FF, it is much like IRC combined w/ Usenet
- coldbrew
Richard: most new twitter accounts I'm seeing lately are bots. Not real users and provably so. Real users display random behavior. The new accounts do not. Humans are never consistent.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe they had a falling out and Noah is no longer welcome?
- Tony C
Richard, thanks for sharing...this has been a topic I'm really interested in. I'll head over to your blog and check out what you've written. Cheers!
- Drew Sams
One way in which the FF comment system is lame: comments on Scoble threads move so fast that in the time I've typed this, there will probably be five other new comments. Yet FF will chose to hide some of them and instead say "20x more comments". When I click on that, the thread expands into 5+ pages of comments, and I have to scroll down and try to remember what I saw last. Lack of read/unread status and/or visible (non-mouseover) timestamps are pretty significant time sinks/inefficiencies.
- Ken Sheppardson
Enough off-topic. I think this is ironic on a number of levels:
- coldbrew
A way to think about Loic. There are a lot of gamers who follow huge numbers, then unfollow massively to look A-List. Loic is A-List. But even so, ask yourself what *you've* gotten from Loic. If you can't answer that question, your unfollow decision should be clear.
- Hutch Carpenter
Drew: That's like saying in 1890 to communicate better with your friends/family, you need to erase the rest of the country so the mail man can find your people easier/faster. There are tools to filter and refine your communication with Twitter and Friendfeed. It is wrong to choose the nuclear option instead of just using the tools to organize their communication streams, as these platforms evolve they're going to regret casting people out and then have to be in a position to regather them again.
- Matthew DeVries
Ken: The datastream is there, write an app to create what you want.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Workin' on it :-) Coldbrew: Who appointed you guy who gets to decide what's off-/on-topic? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Sheppardson, not sure. Just using the convention of looking at the post title. Do you have another metric by which to judge objectively?\
- coldbrew
There's the 1st piece of irony, DeVries, " There are tools to filter and refine your communication with Twitter and Friendfeed." Le Meur's company, Seesmic, makes one of them, but it can't do its job ;-)
- coldbrew
coldbrew: I'd explain, but that'd be off topic :-P
- Ken Sheppardson
2nd piece of irony comes from the fact that Scoble is disseminating it, but he seems to be keeping a very objective stance, neither agreeing nor disagreeing with Le Meur's justifications for his actions.
- coldbrew
Scoble, of course, is "well known" for following so many people all over the ecoshpere [edit: and that is ironic to me]
- coldbrew
Coldbrew: Like a black fly in your chardonnay?
- Matthew DeVries
I find the trend puzzling especially (as @Jim Connolly pointed out) when it's someone like Loic who actually built a tool to help bring method to this madness. Robert, you make it seem so easy and I am in awe as to how you manage to respond to thousands of your followers, both here and on Twitter. It's obvious that not everyone can do it, it's probably getting overwhelming for some.
- MiaD
Matthew: TOTALLY agree with you. I probably wasn't the clearest in my comment above. While I choose to unfollow bots and spammers, I prefer to use tools like Tweetdeck and others to filter conversations. The second half of my comment is what I think will happen if we go the nuclear route: Social media will just become a marketplace where ideas are broadcasted but never sharpened through the dialogue process...I don't want another place where ideas and products are hawked at me without my ability to dialogue
- Drew Sams
Well played, Sheppardson.
- coldbrew
Anyway, promiscuity in public isn't good?
- coldbrew
Unfollowing enmasse isn't good business. GKawasaki "gets" Twitter. @Loic either doesn't get it or doesn't know what 2 do with it. I unfollowed him back.
- Now Voyager
first the morons were all bout braggin bout how many followers they had, now they realize "oh shit, I can't figure out who said what and when" so now they get to un-follow & that is news. Give me a fucking break, follow or don't follow for the right reasons.In reality at the most people can have 300 odd relationships with people and sustain it beyond that it is just Hello and good bye and that's about it.
- Baba
"I unfollowed him back" Oh did ya' now?
- coldbrew
This is like watching a movie about a young passionate teen as he slogs his way the the world, making mistakes, and learning right before your eyes.
- coldbrew
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Unfollowing is always an option, but why do it without criteria???
- Jorge Martins Rosa
I could clean up a little, but I like following several hundred. I started in 2006 by following the broadcasters and some of the people that followed them and that they followed. I've slowly increased the number I follow since then. Some days I add about a dozen and unfollow about eight. I like to slowly see what people are saying, participate a little and really meet people. I can manage following hundreds.
- Bill
this is you invite people in you're house and studently you kick everybody out without reasons, i remenber when L L M always ask to be followed on twitter . anyway i also kick out from every where and delete my seemsic account .................... some french people when they become famous they got big head
- Yann
from twhirl
Not sure I agree with @loic but have been thinking the same. The relity is you can only carry relevant conversations with a limited number of people.
- RicardoSilva
I think you should do it. Just look at that number. 69,394. It does no good to follow that many people. Wipe the slate clean.
- techky
I really think Twitter should have group and thread (at least one level)
- Jeremy Chone
I found the original mail on the twitter-dev list:So I have kind of weird request. My boss, who is following 24,386 people (and has 22,752 followers) came to me and wanted me to hack something to wipe out all the people he follows so he can start clean again for various reasons. I'm curious if there is any tools internally at twitter that could help with this maybe because this seems to...
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- Daniel W. Crompton
It's insanely easy to "follow" lots of people. With groups and search in Tweetdeck (sorry @loic) and filters plus tag-focusing services like Twitterfall, I can now focus attention on a "slice" (i.e., a window pane or dialog box). It is very rare that I look at an unfiltered stream. I am almost always looking at a refined view of the entire stream. It kind of reminds me of the Matrix. The "operators" were able to see small nuances in the unadulterated feed.
- Lorin Olsen
Nevertheless, I am intrigued by reducing the number of people I follow. I want to have "intimate" conversations and not just blast tones into an echo chamber. In fairness, that is one of the reasons I am doing more in Friendfeed.
- Lorin Olsen
I think it may be good if people with large followings and who follow a lot of people had two Twitter accounts. One for broadcasting and having the ability to DM many people in your network and the second one solely for listening to quality and engaging with your core network. Doing this may solve the problems referred to above.
- Bill Romanos
@Hutch is quite correct in saying "ask yourself what *you've* gotten from Loic. If you can't answer that question, your unfollow decision should be clear." Exactly!! that should be the criteria for everyone, A-list or not. I've unfollowed some "A-listers" who are focused on things which don't tickle my fancy. Nothing personal of course, the goal is to get focused.
- Eric Gonzalez
By the way, I don't mind an unfollow, but what's up with the "tell me why I should follow you back?" business. Doesn't that seem odd?
- Eric Gonzalez
what is this twitter of which you speak?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Mike, I assume you are not following anybody so you don't need not to take any action. The proposed procedures only concern people who follow somebody else on this thing called Twitter. :-)
- Tapio Kulmala
is there an auto unfollow ?
- Antoine Bertier
Antoine, No. There was once a rumor that they have tested auto-unfollow in their lab. The performance testing results were alarming. They noticed that they should get rid of 90% of their servers in 2 weeks. The CFO decided that they could not afford that kind of capital losses.
- Tapio Kulmala
I just went through my follows on Twitter and removed a bunch of people I'd never heard of before. I forgot I had signed up with socialtoo.com when Scoble mentioned it and it's all turned off now anyway. We'll see later if my own followers suddenly will now go away cause they're using the same type of tools.
- Paul Wade
People feel slighted when unfollowed - decidedly unsocial. And with tools like Tweetdeck and peoplebrowsr allowing you to create groups (i.e. 'core people', or 'people I know' etc), there's no reason why you can't continue to follow loads of people and focus in on the ones who matter to you. It's social to follow back, and helps build relationships, but that doesn't mean you can't focus on the people who matter to you - there are tools.
- Tom Beardshaw
I even had someone I'd met (and we'd made friends on Facebook) unfollow me then add me to a "<name>monitor" twitter account, saying "this is the account I use to keep track of a wider network" - which pretty much tells you they're not paying any attention to you at all. I promptly unfollowed him. Social is multidirectional relationships - I don't like one way relationships - they're bad for your health! I follow everyone who follows me unless they're trying to sell me something
- Tom Beardshaw
So that's what happened--Loic unfollowed and then refollowed me.;-) Someone constantly keeps doing that on my FB acct., too. I must say, the more followers I get lately who are trying to tell me about how to use social media and internet marketing to get rich, the more this option sounds good. Way too many spammers lately, or just folks who aren't bothering to find out about who you really are and how to have a conversation. Ugh.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Loic method may have been extreme, but I understand where it is coming from, at a certain number, its hard to follow who you are interested in and maybe starting over again is the way to go.. I actually created a second twitter account just for companies and organizations, because I was noticing they were taking over my original account.
- Kim Landwehr
Well - Loic simply has one big problem: He doesn´t use Tweetdeck and the Group feature! LOL
- Dieter Schwarz
Signal vs noise.
- Steve Rubel
OMG huston we have a problum
- Victor
I've already noticed a drop in my followers number. Doesn't matter to me though.
- Paul Wade
Drop in follower, but any increase in participation. That's why I unfollowed so many.
- Richard A.
Looked at who I was following and came to the conclusion most of the people I was following were unneeded, whether due to lack of interesting content or inactivity. Been unfollowing people for the last few weeks. Trying to keep it around 200
- BCK
With tools such as TweetDeck I can setup groups and searches for those tweets I care about the most. Makes number of following irrelevant.
- Robert J Taylor
I give me a chance. follow them for bit see if there interact post anything of value reply to my tweets . If not its just pointless.
- John Cusick
That may work for the twitter elite, but for users like me, it defeats the point of twitter, which is to build community by networking.
- Kelly
My comment is ...I have no comment :))
- SRivera
I semi regularly prune for my following list for relevance (for multiple values of relevance)
- Alec Clews
Terrible idea unless you want to experience true hermit status through the rate of being unfollowed prior to deleting your account.
- Roney Smith
I have always kept a limited number of people I follow. The noise level has been very manageable. T is only one of the conduits for info.
- Dave Ploch
thats retarded
- tommy payne
from twhirl
Like Dave, I'm careful about who I follow in the first place, and I've only had to unfollow a couple of people who got out of hand.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
I'm a careful user, and this realm showed me how people can react rapidly to certain things. I've been unfollowed more than I did unfollow. Note that I'm a curious type of guy and love discovering things in everyone. I think that can be a good thing for those whose critical to the point of stopping everything second to witness being too much analyzing those to unfollow. Else, why be that critical to the point of massive cleaning? Is digital managing difficult and tiring for some? Reminds me: GReader refresh
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I got 0 value out of following @loic, so I lost nothing. I also unfollowed.
- Mike Lewis
I can do the same thing via a Favorite list in FriendFeed.
- Bill Bittner
my god the annoying post that never ends!! :P hahah
- Terry O'Fee
Time, there is not enough time to follow everyone. It has to be narrowed at some point to still be productive in your business. I do not mind visiting a stream and subscribing..just like I do not mind unsubscribing. Just doing a total following everyone or not following anyone is absurd.
- Brian McClure
At the moment this post has close to 400 likes plus comments. Which provokes the thought: rank Friendfeed posts by likes plus comments (for the total life of Friendfeed). Might be interesting.
- Sean McBride
I deleted 700+ people just two weeks ago and it was the most FUN I have had on Twitter in 6 months.
- Daniel Zarick
[∞][twitter needs to make an second time line to US [...] so, we got one to friends and other to network ][ I have 2 accounts to do this]
- dbalieiro
Similar to the concept of declaring e-mail bankruptcy.
- David Pappas
Then it becomes a broadcast, not an exchange. How about unfollow everyone that doesn't add value to your life.
- Martha
Wow, that is interesting timing. Is it spring cleaning time for everyone or what?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
At least once a week I go through several pages of twitter stream and take a look at everyone on it. I end up unfollowing at least five or six people. I still have hundreds, but it's much less than I would otherwise.
- Sandra Fernandez
as for me, good reasons for unfollowing are ppl following you then unfollowing you immediately, or people not posting in ages, or people where after a while you see having absolutely no exchange on any subject or no common interest. I try to keep my following list clear under these criteria to avoid a bloated following list
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
i prune my list every few weeks and add and delete, keeps it fresher
- susan mernit
I only follow a few people anyway. The "follow everyone you don't know" thing always seemed crazy to me.
- TranceMist
I have no plans of unfollowing any of the people I follow. My setup fits my marketing strategy just fine.. Don't need to jump on the bandwagon. That's the beauty of twitter... do what works for you!!
- Jim Turner
The best tool I've found for getting the most out of twitter is Tweetdeck. Set up groups to stay on top of the conversations generated by the folks you're the closest to.
- Jim Turner
I do a combination of things. I've always been selective about who I follow; if anyone gets to noisy I unfollow them; I filter it through my FriendFeed; I have specific lists set-up in Friend-Feed (even one for "chatter"); I grab the rss feeds for the Friend-Feed lists I want to focus on and have those directly imported into the RSS feed section of my email client (Thunderbird at the moment.) My email feeds have folders and message filtering rules set-up to move everything to the appropriate sub-folders.
- Gail Guy
... I can then quickly identify and scan my favorites, but best of all, I can use my email client functions to "tag" a message a certain color or "star" it as a favorite -- making it easy to find and review at a later time.
- Gail Guy
I think this is brilliant. Curbs the spammers, takes away some incentive from the fakes and keeps Twitter honest. More of my thoughts http://tr.im/gMZ8
- Chris Leonard
As soon as I got Tweetdeck I started following by subject instead of by the person.
- Carl Pruitt
The largest SXSW party/event list? http://upcoming.yahoo.com/user... Discuss which events are best to attend here:
Dimitar Vesselinov, Daniel Rowley, Jim Connolly and 10 other people liked this
Rackspace is the early favorite for throwing a kick ass party, but let's be honest, wherever Scott Beale goes is where I'm going.
- Robert Scoble
:) I'm with the LaughingSuid - spend so much time talking to Scott Beale, I need to meet him!
- Rob La Gesse
i thought you weren't going ?
- Allen Stern
Allen: I am now. Things changed.
- Robert Scoble
The best party is the Playboy party during SXSWm. Unfortunately it is invite only and has the rarest invites. Other than that the Rachel Ray party always has great food and the purevolume parties tend to have some of the better known bands. The British party this year has The Proclaimers playing (I would walk 500 miles) and it is the first time they have toured in many many years. If you are talking solely SXSWi stuff then I am guessing that the live Diggnation at Stubbs will be the biggest party.
- Hans Watson
Hans: I went to the Playboy one last year. It was good, but too big. I like Scott Beale's events better.
- Robert Scoble
The Mashable party on March 16th is gonna rock. Our soon to be announced SXSW celebrity charity event is going to kick off there so i'm a bit biased. And we're not just talking social media celebrities either. Musicians, actors and the internet famous getting together for good causes. :)
- Christine Lu
Sweet Leaf Tea & Do512 are throwing a party at Do512's HDQ's. They have a festive & great team over there & I am sure Tito will be bringing the Vodka to this gathering knowing the SLT folks
- Lyn Graft
Nice to hear you're going again. Hope to see you there. You don't happen to need a roommate to split costs with do you? I still don't have a room :)
- Mark Krynsky
@Scobleizer - you going to SXSW this year after all?
- Kenneth
*yay* Scoble is going. I'm off to Shanghai tonight to kick off SXSW China panel. I'll say "hi" to the folks over there for you. http://sxswshanghai.eventbrite.com/
- Christine Lu
Mark, I just locked down my hotel and flight this evening. There's still stuff available, at least to registrants. Now get on it! ;)
- Derrick
Mark, nope, sorry. Kenneth: yup, going! Christine: you gotta come to the Rackspace event with me, then we'll go to the Mashable event afterward. The Rackers are doing their first party and gonna blow it out. Anyway, cloud computing is where web folks should be hanging out.
- Robert Scoble
Derrick and Christine in the same city? NOW we have a party!
- Robert Scoble
I hope the "nope sorry" was referring to the room and not meeting me. Hehe
- Mark Krynsky
@Scobleizer rock on! SXSW has just got better! haha...
- Kenneth
Mark: yeah, I was talking about the room. We'll definitely hang. Gotta do something "friendfeedy" there.
- Robert Scoble
I'm going to RSVP for all of them and then I'll use Twitter to find the best ones - of course I'll need to at least stop into that Mashable party for a min or two ;)
- Jennifer Van Grove
Jennifer: last year Scott Beale and me made instant parties just by finding an empty bar, sitting down, and Twittering. Lots of the parties had long lines and really weren't that great.
- Robert Scoble
that was fun :)
- Chris Saad
Chris: Amsterdam was fun. SXSW was a warmup. :-)
- Robert Scoble
hah truethat... u going to amsterdam?
- Chris Saad
Chris: no plans to, but I want to go back. I love that city.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, Robert. But Mark is the party starter. I learned everything I know from him.
- Derrick
Robert -- what's RACKSPACE? you have a knack for going to parties and hanging out with companies with interesting names. like LOVESAC during CES. so since you're at SXSW after all, can we count you in for the celebrity charity thing? i'll email you an update of who's confirmed. pretty awesome list my friend. :)
- Christine Lu
me too - but its no where near as fun if you're not on the speakers list so u can hang out with boris at those dinners
- Chris Saad
Robert, last year I stumbled upon an impromptu private party with Gary Vaynerchuck at a near by wine bar. He shut the place down and bought wine for everyone. That was the standout party for me.
- Jennifer Van Grove
Christine: Rackspace is a huge hosting company that went IPO last year. They are headquartered in Texas and are competing with Amazon's Webservices with its cloud offerings. They own a 1.1 million square foot mall which they are building into a huge datacenter. Pretty impressive stuff. Here's Scott Beale's blog about Rackspace which points to my video tour: http://laughingsquid.com/robert-...
- Robert Scoble
Jennifer: I hung with Gary Vaynerchuk last year too. That dude knows how to party! But I kept up. :-) We'll do something fun at SXSW again, I'm certain of it. Who knows, maybe we'll get him to do a show at some cool bar in town. Weirder things have happened and you do know that Austin is weird, right?
- Robert Scoble
@robert emailed u and the crew about amsterdam - we *need* to do that again.
- Chris Saad
Derrick, perhaps you are referring to my knowledge of beers and spirits which will be necessary for perfecting my rumpshaker to be as good as yours if that is even possible. Look forward to hangin' with you again as always my friend.
- Mark Krynsky
Derrick: last year I partied with guitarist from ZZtop and saw REM Speedwagon and had a private tour of Austin City Limits studio. The year before I was hanging out with Robert Rodriguez' crew at the Austin Film Festival. So, dump that Mark dude and hang with me and let's make magic happen this year. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I dunno. Mark's pretty bad ass. He got me all O_o on some liqueur from South Africa a month or so ago. He's got skills that would turn ZZTop's beards into french braids. No comment on my rumpshaking abilities (how do you think I got through grad school?)
- Derrick
Derrick: well, you can drink exotic alcohol with anyone at anytime. But hang with me and you'll have experiences that Mark won't be able to match. :-) Of course, I might gang up on you and invite Mark too. :-)
- Robert Scoble
At the Rackspace party we'll have Hookahs, hummus, henna. Beer, wine and wells. Belly Dancers, too :) And some surprises. Best of all, I'll be there :-)
- Rob La Gesse
Robert, Twitter notifications will be on for both you and Gary during the duration of SXSW...I'm happy to tolerate the noise for a chance to hang with you two. :)
- Jennifer Van Grove
Jennifer: unfortunately Google Latitude still crashes on my Nokia, but I have figured out how I can send my location out.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be sitting on my couch here in Australia watching the tweets on FriendFeed. You guys are welcome, I have dip...
- Johnny Worthington
Ooh Rackspace has hookah's. Nice. Apple and Mint flavors too I hope.
- Mark Krynsky
Fyi, there is a SXSW room here: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... & the Meetups room I created here where I just added a feed for SXSW tagged events: http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Mark Krynsky
Great event list. Looking 4ward to SXSW-I and Nuclear Tacos!
- JimmyJet
Why is upcoming.yahoo.com SO slow? I know it can't be due to actual use. What gives?
- Jay Cuthrell
Yelling vs. Whispering. Introvert or Extrovert. - http://garyvaynerchuk.com/2008...
Nathan Howell, Susan Beebe, michael silverton and 6 other people liked this
Chris, bad advice. He's been on many TV shows. He's in demand as a speaker. If it's not your style, then don't emulate it. But it works for him, and it works for him well.
- Graham English
Actually, Chris, you didn't give any advice. You just said what you would do. So I take back what I said except that part that he's obviously doing something right to get such great gigs. But even if you don't watch or like the guy, you can't fault him for being true to himself. And I say this as an introvert. I would never mimic his style.
- Graham English
I love Gary Vaynerchuk. He's one of the most interesting people I've met in my journey.
- Robert Scoble
It's not hard to be on TV, so that shouldn't be an indication of anything, really. All it takes is a publicist or your own tenacity/desire to do it. REALLY simple, especially these days. It's an indication of nothing more than good relationships or a good PR firm.
- Patricia
He seems nice and well-meaning, but I'm not sure I could handle an in-person conversation with him. Too much energy.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Chris, totally understand. I didn't watch that one. Like all of us, he's just giving his usually wrong opinions. :)
- Graham English
I think Gary's a decent example of retail branching out to drive traffic another way. I think sometimes web 2.0 crowd forgets/overlooks he had an established client base that undoubtedly fed his video success, but his work is respectable regardless. The Howard Stern and more recent stuff smells like PR firm spin. But he's represented. CAA wants it's money. ;) Personally his business mantra/advice is a little rudimentary, experts in my eyes need to do more than be popular/noisy...but smart play on retail.
- Patricia
He's real. Real annoying. What's he selling?
- scott anderson
stop talking w/ caps lock on
- James Campbell
He is a big bundle of energy. But, that what makes me like him. I like hearing what he has to say. He's all about being real and being passionate. I doubt he couldn't stand talking to me because I'm as slow as he is fast. ^_^
- Yolanda
But isn't the point that some people yell and some people whisper? If you want to be respected as a whisperer you should probably respect the yellers. It's the golden rule.
- Graham English
Met Gary V. in DC along with Scobleizer June '08, a positive guy. Here's Gary with RocMan http://tinyurl.com/64ef4w
- JimmyJet
Well that's the point he's making in the video. I guess you don't like 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' either. Lots of yelling.
- Graham English
To me, he doesn't seem like he's trying too hard or straining. He seems pretty real and true to himself. And he's very entertaining to lots of people, including me. If he bothers you so much, what can you learn about yourself? Not trying to be an arrogant dick here either. We all project our shit on others.
- Graham English
Own the irritation instead of blaming someone else.
- Graham English
Come on guys. It's comparing apples and oranges. Some people are inspired by Oprah, some Paris Hilton. Agree to disagree. :)
- Patricia
You're right Patricia. I get nit picky on the language. Just because a person's style doesn't agree with you doesn't make them inherently wrong. Accept the diversity and move on.
- Graham English
Graham, be the change you want to see in the world - ghandi. :)
- Patricia
Chris, I was agreeing on the beauty of diversity.
- Graham English
Chris, I see you changed your comment. Call if psycho-babble if you want. But when will you be satisfied? When GV modifies his personality to suit your needs? Get over yourself.
- Graham English
Chris, I'm saying some people attach to different things. Some people see Paris Hilton, and despite that her revenue is reliant on her visibility (media) which is constant work, expense, etc, find her successful. Some people see Angelina, who's work nets her millions off real talent and work, doesn't really need to show her face otherwise, and think she's successful. "Success" in the eye of the beholder.
- Patricia
Chris dude, and psyco-babble wasn't an attack? Whatever. I won't bend to your will either.
- Graham English
GV is practicing what he preaches. He's executing on *his* DNA. That's that makes him Authentic and Indomitable. Like RS, he doesn't hide much, if anything, he GIVES YOU THE GOODS and tries to explain that if YOU execute on YOUR DNA, then you'll be every bit as Authentically Effective as he is. That's his passion; to activate that spark in others.
- michael silverton
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