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Email is saved! Inbox2 rocks. Here is why: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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Waseem Sadiq, CTO (left) and Khuram Hussain are showing me how you can send emails and messages to Twitter, Facebook, and others. It is in private beta now, will launch later this year. http://www.inbox2.com Does all sorts of useful stuff like forwarding, copying, etc. "It is really hard to build a good email client," says Sadiq. They nailed it, must try it.
- Robert Scoble
Can we get an invite code? :)
- Aaron Myers
Invite Code please! ?
- Jigar Mehta
Yeah Robert, ask them to let you post some invite codes to FriendFeed!
- Ben Kessler
Get us all hyped up and no codes? C'mon Robert, score some codes for us.
- Jim Graham
Robert, score a code, for a Pie ala mode...:)
- Fred Tabsharani
Codes, or it didn't happen!
- David Lloyd
Actually just requested an invite code last week. Would love one if you have any.
- Kevin Whalen
Invite code :) please
- Susan Beebe
Well now we're all interested. So invite codes would be awesome. Please.
- Vlad Bobleanta
sounds awesome - yes, codes!
- Karma Martell
another request for some codes...
- Paul
Very cool. I can imagine this being something to tie me over until Google Wave is released. I presume the transition to Google Wave from Inbox2 will be a ease?
- Vinko
me want codes now, give um me code
- David Lloyd
Yep yep, give us some codes please.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
I think I can see you from here :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Just go to their site, they will send you the codes in an email.
- Elizabeth Good
sometime next year maybe!
- David Lloyd
How long does it take for them to send the invite?
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Robert, thx for the plug! Everybody that wants an invite just leave your email address on the website (www.inbox2.com), will take a few weeks before you get one tho, due to the infrastructure we're setting up to serve u all :-)
- Waseem Sadiq
'a few weeks'!! we'll have all forgotten about it by then! -- you've got our interest now (it's about 20 people, how much infrastructure would be required?)
- Paul
Hehe that is true, but if I let you guys in now I might end up spoiling the zen like email experience once its good enough. I'll tell you what, if you are willing to try out the product and tell us how we can improve it, or blog about it, Í will get you an invite (waseem at inbox2 dot com)
- Waseem Sadiq
we are btw also on twitter @inbox2 @waseemsadiq and our blog http://blog.inbox2.com (shameless self promotion)
- Waseem Sadiq
Cool! Email sent.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Eh, looks like an AIR app.
- Akiva Moskovitz
hmm, me thinks: Soon, a Scoblizer recommendation will be as mighty as being listed in Oprah's book club list...
- t i n y m
What a tease! I have already requested for an invite and now waiting...thanks Robert.
- Rahul Mirakhur
hmm... over a month and no response... oh well
- Kevin Whalen
Yeah, ditto -- and after they asked us to email them so they could add us to the beta list...
- Paul
You guys allready seen this? http://www.inbox2.com/account...
- Waseem Sadiq
Robert, was this post sent directly from your phone? How do you do that?
- Skyler Call
Skyler, http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Hey, it'd be nice if you invite me to try Inbox2. The 'Request Invite' feature is not working.
- Dnyanesh
Wow, in next few minutes I will cross over 100,000 followers. At least half of them are bots and spammers, but still...
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Focus on the other half, humans who are delighted to read you :)
- giuseppe c. | markgreene
Congrats Robert!
- Chris Spizzirri
giuseppe: the real half are the ones who have joined FriendFeed. Seriously.
- Robert Scoble
I feel uncomfortable that anyone should be allowed to amass such a large army of robots.
- John Hardy
John: don't worry, they don't listen to me. If they did, I'd have 100,000 followers on FriendFeed too (I only have 44,000 here).
- Robert Scoble
Have you noticed the spammers are using hash tags so they show up in trends?
- Mark
Mark: yes. Spammers and SEO types suck.
- Robert Scoble
Anyone have any ideas about who could have written the TechCrunch guest post on SEOs etc
- Mark
We knows its a man from a top search company
- Mark
I like your point about the real half -- 50k -- being the ones who've joined FriendFeed Robert. Very smart. Very true.
- Ewan MacLeod
ding! Congratulations :)
- Tom Horn
Yeah, wild!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
The bots can be fun too :)
- Charlie Anzman
I am one away from 1000. Scoble, you could be that guy
- Ben Hanten
Robert for President ;)
- Greg
I have 121 followers. Can you spare some?
- Cassidy
I am real :)
- Randy Allen Bishop
what's a follower ?
- Ross Button
So saying grats is irrelevant then?
- Özgür D. Cyric
from iPhone
Congrats.
- James Watters
Would be interesting if you used a service like untweeps.com to see how many of the people you follow are still active and have sent at least 1 tweet in last 7 days or so. I bet thousands will be inactive. For me it is in hundreds and I just follow some 10,000 compared to your 100,000.
- Marko Saric
"I feel uncomfortable that anyone should be allowed to amass such a large army of robots." When Scoble starts muttering about 'Skynet,' I'm outta here.
- John Craft
Congrats! You're always bringing good stuff to Twitter and Friendfeed. You deserve this :) To hell with these spammers!
- Ivo Mortani
Congrats.
- Paramendra Bhagat
WOW so many bots and spammers? I hope I have way less than half..
- David Gross
My God, Scoble, Did You Think We Wouldn’t See These? - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"Um, I guess you didn’t see the naked pictures of me in Mike Arrington’s backyard, have you? I guarantee you our HR department has seen those."
- Robert Scoble
Oh, my. :)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
TechCrunch needs to read your Twitter stream more. :-)
- Jesse Stay
If you're wondering about Rob, you haven't seen Steve Demeter's latest Facebook upload. Steve is the creator of the Apply-hyped game Trism (in the very beginning of iPhone development times). Here we go: http://www.facebook.com/photo... . :-)
- Ralf Rottmann
I refuse to comment further. :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This one's even more incriminating: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Jesse Stay
Now the question is, how did Sarah Lacy manage to stay out of all of those photos? I hear she was there, too. :-)
- Jesse Stay
scoble, you rule. I thought this whole thing was funny and I love that you got it and came back with more.
- metalerik
Hee, great pics. Setting a good example for the youth of the world <G>. Yeah, where was Sarah Lacy?
- JimmyJet
I think I like you better now. You might be a geek, but at least you're not a dork. Besides, it looked like you were having fun, and that's the only thing that matters.
- Michael Fidler
Sarah was there watching the scene.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Very nice! I posted it in my blog. Scoble! You are the best.
- ramiromarques
My 15-year-old son Patrick, on why teens don't use Twitter: "They don't see the point."
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Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says.
- Robert Scoble
that's it- the understanding of publics.
- Kevin Marks
Plus they have video games for entertainment and have lots of time. I don't have time, so Twitter is a form of entertainment that I can get in bite sized chunks.
- Robert Scoble
That's it in one sentence: "Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says" now maybe the world can start spinning again.
- Hoop
It's really interesting how I've noticed that most of my peers (20-somethings) are too hooked on Facebook to use Twitter or FriendFeed. Again, they don't see the point; Facebook has built-in Twitter that shares with the people they already know and care about.
- Jason Preston
my 13 yr old daughter says the same
- Miguel Rodriguez
too easy to get in trouble for what you say - on most networks you have to accept the invite of those who want to connect - not so on twitter
- Julie Gallaher
That's the same response I get from nieces and nephews.
- Joseph Ferris
Same thing I hear from a ton of people, regardless of age. For most people, they first need a "point" to use it or else they either don't sign up or don't return.
- Jeff Peters
Because their parents are there
- Bwana ☠
danah talked about how some teens are using private twitter accounts, as Facebook is now too public, as their parents and teachers are there http://bit.ly/Awmw9 Multiple publics http://bit.ly/publics
- Kevin Marks
My 14-year-old daughter doesn't want to share her life with the world on Twitter...and I'm good with that!
- Kirsti Scott
They care, like us about reputation, but within their 'groups' - not publicly....
- Mrinal Desai
I am here, and I am only thirteen. But I use it to post news, not about my life.
- Zachary TG
I'll have to explain it to her in detail before she gets it, prefers Facebook since ALL of her friends are there
- Miguel Rodriguez
Kids today don't understand nor care about the social dynamics that they will be involved in. Without a solid background now they can never hope to make truly justified choices later on. It scares me because I have to deal with them directly.
- Adam
Good plan, Zachary!
- Kirsti Scott
I'm not much older than your son, but I have a twitter. Noticeably many of my friends detest twitter and compare it to facebook status messages, therefore they are unable to understand what makes Twitter great. Facebook has managed to grab the minds of us teenagers. I must admit I am much more inclined to update my facebook statuses as my friends will comment on it.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
Adam- Pardon? I do.
- Zachary TG
the reason Twitter does well with teens is because they don’t care about networking – the act of creating/extending a network – as much as they do in their existing network itself. http://www.kanjhan.com/2009...
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
PARDON ME! DOES ANYBODY HAVE A BRAIN?
- Zachary TG
Don't worry Zachary - you don't exist in this thread
- Bwana ☠
And why?
- Zachary TG
It seems that every ones use of these tools is a bit different. I use twitter/friendfeed to keep in touch with fellow surfers and fellow web developers I know both here and across the world. Twitter/friendfeed have be come my best tools for this.
- Luke Kilpatrick
My son, while I type into FriendFeed, is playing Halo. The original one.
- Robert Scoble
Yet when I talk about the importance of tying Twitter to gaming, I get ignored
- Bwana ☠
Zach - no clue man, you're the exception the point in this thread :)
- Bwana ☠
Also teenagers are less likely to stick with Twitter long enough to make it useful to them, Facebook has a sort of instant gratification with adding your friends and commenting them etc.
- Chris Lawrence
I am @ricklafave on twitter, but I see the gap being that teens are all about text direct conversations. I see a huge gap in communication between the generations.
- Rick LaFave
Thank you for that clarification.
- Zachary TG
Bwana- You just got yourself another subscriber. :)
- Zachary TG
Hey now, I'm 16 and Twitter totally rules over Facebook for me. Twitter's for discussing news; Facebook's for your personal life. Totally agree w/ Zachary TG
- Kirk R. Arner
Success!
- Bwana ☠
I'm with Zachary, Adam... that was a bit of a blanket statement.
- Bettina Tizzy
Not too big on FriendFeed, though. Not enough people use it yet.
- Kirk R. Arner
I got to this through Scoble's Twitter crossposting.
- Kirk R. Arner
Bettina Tizzy: Thank you
- Zachary TG
Of course there are exceptions, I'm 19 and I'm on Friendfeed and Twitter, but we're talking about the majority of teenagers, Kirk and Zachary.
- Chris Lawrence
Have to agree here... my kid (13) and step brother (14) are total facebook kids... they occasionally hop on MySpace as well. Both try to get into Twitter, but really do not see the point.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
Chris Lawrence: I understand. But like 60% of students at my school use Twitter, only around 40% use Facebook.
- Zachary TG
By the time today's teens are into things they'll look upon Twitter like we now look at IRC. I'm wondering if I even still have an IRC client on my machine....
- Andrew Leyden
Totally agree, Chris, but more teens are into tech than people think. Not all of us are texting to our friends about useless junk 24/7.
- Kirk R. Arner
because it takes too long and is too involved...
- Morgan Haley
Adults are very lazy...140 characters is tough to power through, but doable. The only people lazier than adults? Teenagers. Why bother with Twitter when their lives revolve around Facebook and it meets all their needs?
- Todd Pringle
That's really cool, I know about three of my friends on Twitter and they never use it haha. And if they do they use it as they would Facebook status.
- Chris Lawrence
Even though I text friends, it is just for information, not for useless information.
- Zachary TG
Todd Pringle: I am so not lazy. I wouldn't be spelling my words correctly now would I?
- Zachary TG
Texting has always been really big in Australia, Zachary. It's a habit that's hard to get out of.
- Chris Lawrence
Well yeah, same for me, but we're the exceptions.
- Kirk R. Arner
Except for the Australia thing.
- Kirk R. Arner
Zach: speaking in generalities of course. Clearly you are an exception. All up on Friendfeed and whatnot.
- Todd Pringle
I recently started texting. But it was almost created in Canada.
- Zachary TG
I will be happy when everyone has the internet in their pocket and I can just email people instead of spending 25c everytime I want to use 140 characters :(
- Chris Lawrence
Todd Pringle: Thank you. I see that people on FriendFeed are different then the casual social networker. We have manners and use large words and sentences. Thank you
- Zachary TG
goes back to "announce" vs. "discuss", too. Fb has nice "my friends and family" feel that Twitter and FF don't yet have.
- MikeAmundsen
Chris Lawrence- What is the 25c for?
- Zachary TG
Depends on geographic area. Here it was the Myspace revolution, then slowly became Facebook. The early adopters of Facebook jumped on the Twitter ship and now the middle stage of Facebook adopters are jumping to Twitter. Does Facebook rule supreme among my group? Yes, with myspace a close second, and twitter slowly catching up. PS, i'm 16.
- Sean Quinn
It's 25c per SMS in Australia.
- Chris Lawrence
I also don't think most teenagers grasp the difference between Twitter and Facebook. My friends who are content with Facebook don't see any need for Twitter and are actually puzzled by it's intended use. Over and over again I here, "Well Facebook can do that, can't it?"
- Angus Burton
OK
- Zachary TG
It is only 5c in Canada per text, and unlimited for 5 dollars.
- Zachary TG
Yeah phone plans in Australia are really ridiculous. There are hardly any unlimited SMS plans and the ones that are you are usually paying over $80 a month. But I digress!
- Chris Lawrence
Wow.
- Zachary TG
But our data plans are outrageous. $30 for only 500MB.
- Zachary TG
My 16-year-old daughter said the same thing a few months back. But she finally relented and is on Twitter now. A few weeks ago she said "I've never been more informed in my life" since joining.
- Patrick Giblin
Seeing the longtail of Twitter takes a somewhat more mature mindset. That's why some mature teens can 'get' Twitter and why some childish adults don't (and content with Facebook).
- CannonGod
I think the topic teens liking or not liking twitter topic is entertaining at best. Does anyone have any decent statistics on this? Not to mention the term "teen" is pretty loose 13 and 18 are a world apart. I would think a teen using or not using would be more based on their personal interest. My 20 and 30 year old friends that aren't in the tech industry could care less about it.
- Nicholas Fidanza
Admittedly younger generations want to talk with less ppl but more frequently, and adults want to create more connections for friendship or financial gain. Kids don't need to worry about being loved, they have mum & dad at the end of the day :-P Sad single geeks however...
- CannonGod
@Angus that was a comment concern among my friends. Where twitter began to rule was among mobile updating. Although teens can use and do use Facebook Mobile, a two-way conversation can work well among a group of friends via Twitter on mobile phones much rather than Facebook status updates/conversations on Facebook, in my experience.
- Sean Quinn
I'm 16 and me and my close group of friends use twitter-its possible to have "chat room" like conversations about things (where are we gonna go after school, etc.) if we're all hooked up on it-it works great, but admittedly some kids use twitter more than others (like me)
- Oliver Reich
My 15 year old chats on Myspace with her friends. I told here to message one of her regular chat buddies as "You Troll" today and she laughed until she almost peed her pants. :)
- Eric Logan
I just see Twitter as Social SMS. Teens like texting, so really it's just an extension of that. I can therefore see it being used more as a tool rather than an actual network per-say.
- CannonGod
While it’s possible to make Twitter “private,” the culture of Twitter is all about participation in a large public square. From the digerati seeking widespread attention to the politically minded hoping to appear on CNN, many are leveraging Twitter to be part of a broad dialogue. Teens are much more motivated to talk only with their friends and they learned a harsh lesson with social...
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- Johni Fisher
my oldest is 20 and uses Twitter and friendfeed a lot but he's a techie- my youngest is 17, uses mostly facebook and sms with friends - doesn't grok twitter yet he's very social...
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
got kids 24, 22, & 18. 24 is the only Tweeter. all use Fb. none use FF.
- MikeAmundsen
There's a great article up on the London Guardian about this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/busines...
- Steffan Antonas
The article discusses that Teens like building out profiles, and taking to people they know. Twitter's not really for that - it's used more for information sharing IMO.
- Steffan Antonas
It's a crime to suggest that Twitter as a whole is just a single feature of FB and has been that way since the beginning. I never understood when Twittr was demo'd to me how a single feature of a bigger app (in my case, IM status/mood messages) needed to be an app on its own. However, what the early adopter mass wants, the early adopter mass gets (until the mainstream mass shows up and it's zomg culture/class war... I LOVE watching this.)
- Eric Rice
Sean: That's a good point. Strangely, using Twitter as a conversation base didn't occur to me. I actually thought more about using a FriendFeed room for that.
- Angus Burton
I agree with Patrick and I'm well past my teens! FF adds talking with my friends, so it works.
- Rachel Lea Fox
It is simple: kids don't use Twitter because they dont have an iPhone! Most teenagers don't have a decent internet enabled device that allows them to use Twitter nicely. Most parents can't afford (or want) to pay $150+ phone bills for their kids plus buy them an iPhone. I have many young friends and they all love the "Big Brother" spirit of Twitter. I totally dont believe the "I'm a...
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- Arturo Toledo
No dis... I have a 19 y/o daughter...Maybe it because he sees you using it and thinks its an "old people" thing... ?
- Ron Thompson
What does he think about FF?
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: same thing, but then he might be biased cause I hang here all day and it's simply not cool to hang out with your parents when you're 15.
- Robert Scoble
It's a lot easier to have friends in school. On the outside you have to be a bit more proactive.
- Todd Hoff
True enough Robert, Also true Todd.
- Geoff Schultz
I only use Twitter to broadcast what I am doing on Posterous, and FriendFeed.
- Matt Ruiz
I'm an older (some say very old) user and friends my age don't do Twitter, FB etc. Their opinion: why bother when I have email? Why would I want to share with the Internet at large? The web is full of idiots.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Geoff: I read FriendFeed I just don't post very much. I enjoy reading Twitter and FF they can cetainly be informative and interesting. None of my friends are on Twitter so I was speaking from my experience with them, not all teens.
- Patrick Scoble
Todd: That is also absolutely true with students.
- Patrick Scoble
It is true but a lot of adults don't see the point of it either at the moment and I think it'll change.I'm 19 and I think it's more useful than Facebook etc.
- Craig Malone
kids dont use words or language, they communicat through hyperlinks & txt. as they get older, they'll appreciate the value of words
- echostreamer
Teens spend 6 or 8 hours a day within a few hundred feet of most of the people they know. Why would they need Twitter?
- Rob Sterling
the same reason they spend the next 8 hours glued to facebook and the internet instead of going outside to chill with those friends (no offense :)
- echostreamer
Yeah, but information on Facebook is shared the same way as in school - it's hierarchical and clique-based. Kids are more like base primates than adults. Twitter is too open, when they want to control the dissemination of information among those people they know in school.
- Rob Sterling
There are a lot of 13-15 year-olds on Twitter, just look around :) The best way to find them is to find a celebrity who might garner a teen following ... That said, Twitter is (for now) nowhere near as popular with teens as MySpace and Facebook, for sure.
- dcap
Also, most kids can't afford smartphones, and using Twitter exclusively by text message is mostly a one-way affair. It's pretty lame. I bet your 15 y.o. son loves to text and spends hours on Facebook.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I think teens may be more privacy savvy than the media paints them. They know that a nasty Tweet about a school official can get them expelled; but a private txt is safe.
- Robert Hafer
How many teens are marketing gurus and life coaches? Kids aren't selling anything and see no need to sell themselves. THAT'S why they don't care about Twitter.
- Kimber Scott
Robert: it is worse than that. One message can get them shunned.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just like my older friends, they have no desire to connect with the Twitter-verse at large. But for different reasons.
- Robert Hafer
I've been looking for the point for a long time :O) - To me it has become a place where I can "vocalize" things I've always just said to myself before. I just find it funny anyone actually "listens"
- Bill Rawlinson
Sounds familiar: http://blog.monicaobrien.com/why-hig...
- Monica O'Brien
There are many uses of twitter :)
- Key KnowHow
I think its good that teens don't like twitter. We can get on here without them!
- Su Butcher
As a teenager I didn't see the point of reading a newspaper either, but now I work in one!
- | Balu |
I don't have any friends, so I'm forced to write for the world.
- Big K
Interns in my office say they know college friends starting to use Twitter. Of course, none of the interns actually do. Twitter seems to be good for celebrities and professional networking.
- Hutch Carpenter
What's the big deal ? Most teens don't follow current events like politics or the economy either, it's not what being a kid is about.
- Doug Randall in SL
So that means he will like Google Wave? = the next Teen Twitter
- Hans Kainz
We can't say that Google Wave is the next Twitter, it's more instant messaging than anything (and I'd say FriendFeed relates more to it than Twitter does).
- Hugh Isaacs II
I do deeply hope that Google Wave takes off. I really hate signing into my msn account just to keep in touch with friends who can't get on the GTalk bandwagon or just don't see the point.
- Chris Chua
I think if you could start a conversation like this one on twitter just like on ff or fb with commenting tweets or just parsing them when you reply, it would be a lot more interesting
- Kaysha
Interesting that the 15 year old kid who got the job at Morgan Stanley did so because his mum knew a chap who she met when dog walking - so not what he knew but who his mum knew, and because of that he had an audience for his opinion.
- Simon Rogers
another possibility ADD
- polou/indigo_bow
Wrote a post about this a long time ago. Interaction will scale down as the possibilities to interact scale up. The next gen doesn't care about talking to the whole world. There is little value in it
- Alexander van Elsas
from iPhone
Just blogged on this subject. I don't believe this is a generational issue. It's about privacy and signal:noise ratio. When those degrade, communities migrate to new social networking services, regardless of group members' average age. http://lehawes.wordpress.com/2009...
- Larry Hawes
the wisdom of youth!
- Neil Ashworth
@cfsilence I have friends in almost every city in the world. That is how Twitter has made my life better.
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Every great new era and technology elevates some of the people involved in it, its the kind of opportunities our dynamic economic system provides.
- James Watters
I could say that about BlipFM.
- PaulFrankRizzo
I'm about to come back to SF and then Portland after a year in Tokyo, and I already have a packed schedule with friends new and old, known and unknown. Being able to start conversations, tap into the buzz, and do some light networking over twitter et. all is amazing.
- David
On the other hand, there will come a point where someone uses a twitter-facilitated meetup to do something Not So Nice, and the media will go crazy. Hopefully we keep level heads and stay sane.
- David
Thanks to everyone who attended the Building43 launch event at TechCrunch last night (and to TechCrunch for hosting it). If you have photos or videos, please post them here: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Thanks for sharing I have been going through Building43 all morning and really like the content - great for working with business to help them see the importance of social media.
- Robert Freeze
We filmed some live videos at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer Part I: http://www.kyte.tv/ch... Part II: http://www.kyte.tv/ch... Part III: http://www.kyte.tv/ch...
- Robert Scoble
Rick Bucich of Tiny Prints has a ton of great photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert! - looks like Scott got some better pics. Difficult to photograph with a 1D body with a drink in the other hand. Had to kick up the iso to compensate.
- Rick Bucich
Enjoyed the live video segments. This is why the Net is great, enables us to 'virtually' be there.
- JimmyJet
I wasn't on the email list, so I missed it. I'm busy prepping for vid-record-following Michael Jordan around 18-holes of golf at the Celebrity PRO-AM in Reno in July. Doing a lot of exer-cycling to avoid cramps. Testing out a Sony HDR-FX1 full 1080i camcorder, picture quality is breathtakingly gorgeous. This is not your father's 8mm film camera Robert S.!
- Nicholas Chase
For Facebook aficionados, I have the photos on my profile as well for tagging purposes. http://www.facebook.com/profile...
- Rick Bucich
San Francisco Tweetup/friendfeed gathering tomorrow: 4:30 p.m. Pier 23 bar. Meet me there. Along with some other Rackspace employees.
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how late do you think you'll be there?
- Jeremy Toeman
Sorry, won't be there...it would take too long to drive there :) I'm in Abbotsford, B.C. 40 miles East of Vancouver Canada. Come up here and I'll be there :) Have fun none the less.
- Owen Greaves
How late will this run?
- Mitchell McKenna
I'm heading to San Francisco for the first time tomorrow. Count me in!!
- Wesley Donehue
Who's buying the beer?
- Buzz Bruggeman
Love to make it, not sure I can hand off parenting duties two nights in a row however. See ya Thursday at the very least.
- Rick Bucich
I'll try to stop by.
- Adam Jackson
Jeremy, we should only be there until 6 cause we have a boat we have to be on after that.
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: you buy your own beer.
- Robert Scoble
Did I mention I'm coming all the way from South Carolina to attend your tweetup?
- Wesley Donehue
Robert, You should do an "i'm on a boat" live from the boat. :P
- Adam Jackson
^ haha
- Byron McCollum
Who's buying the wine then?
- Buzz Bruggeman
so we're all invited to the boat ride too? :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Wesley: in your case I'll buy you a beer. Heheh. Same with Buzz, cause he's a great friend too. Of course that means I'll have two myself so everyone else will probably get me to pay for theirs after that. Heheh. Adam: I might post some stuff from the boat too. Jeremy: unfortunately I can't.
- Robert Scoble
Standard disclaimer: Clicking like does not indicate my attendance. I just like it.
- Louis Gray
Ok, I'm with Louis. I like it, but Sheryl and I will be here in Washington. It's too far for beer.
- Ken Camp
When might you be back in Austin?
- Arthur Edstrom
from BuddyFeed
Lol Louis. I'm with you on that ;) (in fact not a chance I'm flying in for a tweetup / friend Feed (as much as I miss SF))
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Where's the boat going?
- Cristo
Cristo: it's going in circles around Alcatraz. ;-) Arthur: maybe in July, but looks like we'll be in San Antonio mostly.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I should tell you someday about the time Danger & T-Mobile rented out Alcatraz for the night and had the Wallflowers play a concert with SF as the backdrop. Woz was there. It was pretty cool. :) I believe that was the first time Alcatraz was ever used by a commercial entity.
- Cristo
Planning to stop bye. Last time I saw you was in the Seatac airport last year.
- Alan Morris
We should do a FeedUp in Austin in July...or in San Antonio
- Arthur Edstrom
So there!
- krystyl
Robert- I'll miss that one Any other events next week? I'll be in SV M-Th, next week.
- William Mougayar
William: I will be in NY next week. Check Upcoming.org for events.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be there. Just moved back to SF after leaving 8 years ago as a dot com dropout. Would like to talk to some Rackspace person about how to translate my thinking from client-server app development to SaaS development.
- Nathan Wenzel
Quick Question for FriendFeeders! When I signed up FriendFeed allowed me to auto subscribe to all the Twitter Accounts I was following. Is there a way for me to run that function again?
- Jason Pollock
I'll be there.
- Thomas Hawk
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"Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn’t ask for it, I didn’t know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it’s a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It’s something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I’m too nice? I used to be on the inside with the Amazon Kindle team, for instance, then did a nasty review of the unit, and I haven’t been given a review unit since. I did give the Palm Pre a nice review back in January at CES and have generally been pushing it pretty nicely for them since. I think it’s a great device and the first one I’ve seen that comes up to Apple’s standards for fit and finish. Getting the review unit today doesn’t change my feelings about that. As for questioning Leo’s ethics, I’ve seen many times that his ethics are above question and I agree that getting your ethics questioned isn’t fun and isn’t..."
- Robert Scoble
well said!!!
- Calvin Ayre
The topic certainly could have been raised more respectfully and diplomatically. It's a concern that could have been addressed then the conversation could have moved on.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Just read this, and after reading the negative comments given by people after Leo had closed the Gilmore Gang episode. I tend to have mixed thoughts.
- Matt Ruiz
quick question - instead of suggesting foul play and questioning reviewers ethics, did arrington ever think it might be his promise to never honor an embargo that meant they didn't get one?
- Richard Lawler
wondering how u get product(s) 2 be reviewed Robert? I am new in reviewing tech products.
- polou/indigo_bow
I guess Leo likes everybody except Bob Parsons and Michael Arrington. Thank You Terry Baldwin MILL ROSE INN LUXURY GARDEN SUITES <http://www.millroseinn.com/> http://www.millroseinn.com Classic European Elegance By The Sea 615 Mill Street, Half Moon Bay CA 94019-1726 Phone: (650) 726-8750 800-900-ROSE (7673) Fax: (650) 726-3031 Email: tb@millroseinn.com
- Terry Baldwin
from email
polou: PR people make lists of people with large or interesting audiences (to them). How they do that? A variety of ways.
- Robert Scoble
Leo actually is given suprisingly little access to new products, this one quite rare
- David Lloyd
Polou: There's a pitch scoble group http://friendfeed.com/pitchsc... - theres an explation why its best to pitch him there too: http://friendfeed.com/pitchsc... ;)
- Nicholas James
Both Leo and Michael are out of line here: Leo for blowing his top, and Michael for not letting Leo even begin his statement/review. I'd like to see some sort of public making-up on this issue. I would hate to believe that a little piece of plastic would engender such hostility between two grown men. Makes me sad ;_;
- Carlton Prest
Carlton: The Gilmor Gang are going to finish off the show now - Leo is heading back to the studio. I guess we'll could probably see a making-up on the show too.
- Nicholas James
Leo apologized to Mike on Techcrunch.
- Russellreno
Cristo: I laughed at this. I'm sorry but that's Hilarious.
- Matt Ruiz
The Gang has never been "family friendly", it's just recently Leo has heavily moderated the discussion, and kept things going out of control.
- Greg Byrne
I think Canter's marijuana buds maybe were medicinal marijuana?
- Thomas Hawk
no but the peace offering and apologies accepted on the site in public is excellent, nice to see that right on the same page for a change.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Leo said on Windows Weekly 2 weeks ago that he was getting a PRE and that it was a review unit and he had to send it back.
- Chris Patterson
Christo, I know the feeling.
- Thomas Hawk
Ryo: You REALLY need to listen to the 2nd version of the Gillmor Gang AND see the Techcrunch post
- Nicholas James
Isn't that kind of attack-approach exactly how Techcrunch gets much of its traffic? They understand how to make a buzz. Reading Mike Arrington swearing at people on the comments for that post, shows this attack-approach (what Leo called Trollishness) in action. I'm not a fan of Mike Arrington, but when it comes to getting noticed, the guy's a master. He has the traffic results to prove it.
- Jim Connolly
For the whole story, both parts are here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
"The topic certainly could have been raised more respectfully and diplomatically." The words "respect" and "diplomatic" do not exist, in my estimation, in Mike Arrington's vocabulary. This from a guy who whines that his job is so hard he has to take a month or two off from the stress every year. Stop being such a giant blowjob critic, and you'll still get bj's. Act like a cretin the way...
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- Dave Martin
Ok, so I commented on @Techcrunch article and I got censored (and banned). Here is what I said (in a polite and respectful. Basically I said that "I think that @Arrington asked a leading question and insinuated that the Leo's opinion was not going to be honest because he got a review unit. Leo overreacted, but Michael was not innocent either. I think that @Arrington would not have asked...
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- Jeremy Chone
i love friendfeed.. threads like this are only here.. ppl on twitter are totally unaware of what is going on here.... thanks scoble!
- Jason Pollock
I thought this was hilarious. I don't know much about either of them but Laporte seems to have exaggerated quite a bit. Maybe there is history between them but it was a completely valid question/point. They have apologized to each-other now though so it's all fine... but a good viral video they created there hehe
- Marko Saric
I'm making a list of hundreds of people. In checking that list on Facebook I learned 10% or so don't put their email address there. Why?
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Because they don't understand their privacy controls can protect them from the wrong people getting it
- Jesse Stay
Facebook is AWESOME as a rolodex. But some refuse to put their email address in there. Why? Facebook has made it pretty hard to get your data out of there (I have to manually retype addresses into other systems like Gmail or Outlook) and because you have control of who sees your stuff anyway, it seems pretty lame not to put your contact info in there.
- Robert Scoble
Because they are brought up in tradition that displaying your e-mail address on the web is "a bad thing"
- Jesse Stay
I'm paranoid, so I don't.
- Danny Minick
Probably the same group of people that does not put their picture up on facebook and hence have a book without a face?
- Peter Simoons
Jesse: yeah, and these are all early adopters/influencer/entrepreneur types. Even some journalists (how do you guys get story leads, anyway?)
- Robert Scoble
Maybe because they think that Facebook's private inbox is enough as a first interaction.
- Nir Ben Yona
Danny paranoid about what?
- Jesse Stay
Aren't e-mail addresses on Facebook obsfucated in that they are done as images?
- Alx Klive
Peter: nah, most of my friends put their picture in there.
- Robert Scoble
I'm surprised you found that many (90% show their email to friends on FB). It's a skew in your sample. But you're right, people shouldn't be concerned about it.
- Kevin Werbach
My email getting into the wrong hands.
- Danny Minick
Alx, yes, they're images, and protected by privacy settings
- Jesse Stay
Danny so you think people can steal your e-mail by having your e-mail address?
- Jesse Stay
Facebook doesn't teach it's users anything. If they taught them just a tiny bit about the privacy settings people would be so much more comfortable.
- Shawn Hickman
People don't understand the system, and assume that their email address can get out if they put it up.
- Adam Pilbeam
No i'm preventing more spam email. I have plenty as it is.
- Danny Minick
Danny: my email has been on my blog for years. I don't get much spam.
- Robert Scoble
Danny, who is going to get your e-mail address? Only your friends can see it, and it's an image, not text
- Jesse Stay
Danny, or, better yet, gmail filters it all out for me.
- Robert Scoble
And what Robert said - my e-mail address is up, with a link and plain text on my blog as well. I don't get much spam either.
- Jesse Stay
Doesn't matter. I don't want them to have my email address.
- Danny Minick
Remember that the group of people who join Facebook is not the same as the people who join, say, FriendFeed. For example, I found one senior citizen in my list of Facebook suggested friends; this is a person who would never join Twitter or FriendFeed, but for some reason had decided to join Facebook. (The person joined Facebook at the urging of a Tea Party organizer; perhaps that puts...
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- John E. Bredehoft
The idea that if you display your e-mail address on your blog you get spam is a complete myth
- Jesse Stay
Danny your paranoia sounds pretty unfounded then
- Jesse Stay
John: my list only includes tech industry people. So I'm sure the number of people who put emails on Facebook among general population is lower.
- Robert Scoble
You understand this Robert. "Hmm email; that is the sort of thing you'd use to send a thank you letter ... to your friend's ... parents" ... Oh and SPAM !
- John W Lewis
I don't care how it sounds. No one is going to convince me otherwise. :/
- Danny Minick
Danny must love getting Facebook messages. But because I don't have his email he can't get invited to whatever I'm sending invites out about. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I get more spam on Facebook mail than I do my own e-mail
- Jesse Stay
Robert I won't get invites anyway because I can't be your friend on Facebook :-(
- Jesse Stay
Robert I need to add you to Facebook before even that. LOL
- Danny Minick
Jesse: I know where to find you! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's why I put my e-mail address on my blog :-)
- Jesse Stay
Might assume too, that FB gets used for closer knit groups that may already have email addresses shared amongst themselves, at least in a lot of cases...but with so many privacy customizations available, there's no excuse not to have the info up there, and release it to whom you will.
- Adam Pilbeam
What's the list for Robert?
- Alx Klive
@Scobleizer is really Santa. It's true.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Robert, if you're giving invites to Google Wave, i'm willing to put my email address on SF Golden Gate Bridge.
- Nir Ben Yona
I'm not sure Danny's position is "paranoia." I have a number of friends with years of Tech experience in Silicon Valley who are very protective of any sort of personal information. They're as well-informed as anyone about the benefits and potential problems, yet they perceive their personal information as something they *give* to selected individuals, not something that's published. If...
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- Mistletoe Glen
It is likely that people tend to join the first service that their friends suggest to them, and then stick with it until the need to switch becomes obvious. I started on CompuServe !! and then discovered that there was a thing called (Internet) email.
- John W Lewis
Grayson I get more of that on Facebook than off :-)
- Jesse Stay
Glen hit the nail on the head. He is absolutely right. A handful of people have my email address, everyone else gets contact.dannyminick@gmail.com, which is my public account.
- Danny Minick
Danny, so why not put that on your Facebook profile?
- Jesse Stay
....Good point, Jesse. LMAO (goes to login to facebook)
- Danny Minick
Robert's making a list, he's checking it twice. He's gonna find out who's naughty or nice...
- David Owens
Robert: In Feb there was this post on All Facebook http://www.allfacebook.com/2009... I know lots of folk around here spoke about limiting contact info to just close contacts after this
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Robert seems to have (inadvertently?) started a mini research project on use cases for the adoption of Internet communication services.
- John W Lewis
Peter, I control that, too, but I always want to provide some way for people to contact me
- Jesse Stay
Alx Klive: Our Building43 launch event. Unfortunately I only have space for about 150 people, so I'm forced into a bit of elitism. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Because some of the people I know on facebook are num-nuts
- Asgeir
1. Paranoia 2. Spam 3. Ignorance ... Did I miss any other reasons?
- Happy
A lot of people that follow you, Robert, are early adopters and technical types and yet still the FB privacy seems a mystery to some. Sound like it needs fixing to me.
- Scott Kingery
Jess have to agree not being able to contact someone easily can be rather frustrating
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Scoble's making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out that 10% are naughty not nice.
- Davis Freeberg
Based on the comments here, unless I am mistaken, everyone is making the same assumption: that these people use email. Although probably much less true of Robert's intended invitees, many Gen Z's (or the iGeneration or whatever) use Facebook, MSN, (Skype?), etc., but not email.
- John W Lewis
@Davis Nice one
- Asgeir
I think Facebook is considered nowadays like YouTube before. For serious messaging people use Twitter, Skype or PM like the one I use on http://www.cagora.ws
- Marc Plancke
People fear spam
- Louis Gray
People fear what they don't understand
- Shawn Hickman
Yeah, I am also 'old school' about privacy, posting e-mail addy, etc. Very out of touch am I :-)!
- JimmyJet
<Our Building43 launch event.> Please post video and narrative for the non-150 crowd, tks.
- JimmyJet
I for one think it is the spam. I have not seen 1 filter set that effectively clears my spam problem completely and consistently. Even on FB I use a throwaway email that I screen for valid emails from FB. Anything valid gets forwarded to my real mailbox. Complicated, I know, but it has been effective on reducing my spam level from all the websites that I have accounts on.
- Manuel Arroyo
*sing* You're making a list? Did you check it twice? Gonna find out who's noisy or nice.. Santa Scoble is coming.. to town. ;)
- Daynah
It's a privacy thing Robert. You wouldn't put your phone number on your blog now, would you? ;-)
- Patrick Mackaaij
FB profile = family and friends FB Pages = Spaceship Earth and low flying planets. My question is why do you need to put your email on Facebook? And why do you ask Robert? Do you feel strongly that people should? Dean
- Deano @ Byron New Media
Byron: If you want to be invited to my fun parties you've gotta make yourself easy to get ahold of! So, yes, I feel strongly that people should put their email addresses on their Facebook profiles. I do, and I put my cell phone there too, and it's led to some great experiences over the years.
- Robert Scoble
Until I figure out my spam issues, I really need to think about giving out email addresses in only on my own website and blog. Even with that, I wonder why I am getting so much spam still, :(
- polou/indigo_bow
polou: it doesn't matter how public or private you are, you still get about the same amount of spam. I just use Gmail and it does a pretty good job of filtering most of it out.
- Robert Scoble
Have had no problems with spam since switching to all Gmail. I didn't originally put email address on FaceBook for privacy reasons but that seems a little ridiculous in retrospect since that's obviously the last thing on my mind by being online in the first place.
- Mike Elliott
If you're worried about spam, set up an OtherInbox account. Perhaps my most useful app. I have NOTHING to do with them, but I really swear by their product.
- Mark Edwards
I'm afraid of spammers and identity theft. I signed up for Crederity to verify my digital credentials and to stand apart from fake users. http://www.crederity.com
- Michael_techie
If I list my email on there, I get spammed with crap I dont want or need.
- krystyl
Liked sum of the recommends here, therefore should try some of the new implementations, which I haven't done. I think the phone thing, ah, not there yet. Lets get the handle of email first.
- polou/indigo_bow
bc emails are starting to be OUT. Twitter IN. Maybe Wave will be IN too in 201x...
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
Hahah @karaswisher makes me laugh. See why here:
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http://kara.allthingsd.com/2009060... is her counter point to my article.
- Robert Scoble
She makes me laugh because she counter points my own article calling her and Walt Mossberg wrong for calling the 2010 web "Web 3.0." Lots of good points, except her defense of why she isn't on friendfeed is TOTALLY lame.
- Robert Scoble
and she used "wronger"
- Jesse Stay
Those are relatively sophisticated reasons to laugh. I just liked the Scooby Dumb picture.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
doesn't include twitter or friendfeed in the sharing module
- Michael Metz
Reply with a line by line retort, Robby x
- David Lloyd
2010 web versus web 3.0, so funny :)
- David Lloyd
Scooby Don't. Wow, kinda funny, but it doesn't sound like she fundamentally addressed the points that you made. I checked her Digg profile & her only friend there is Walt Mossberg. And on Twitter, she follows about 55 peeps. Not that she needs more Digg friends or Twitter followers. But what does that say about the depth of her understanding of these communities?
- phil baumann
Twitter share is coming on ATD. And Phil, I thought social networks were supposed to be used the way each person wants to use them and not in the way some dictatorial types decide.
- Kara
I am not on FriendFeed, because I must choose among all I can use and I find I like Twitter and Facebook best. Am trying out other stuff, but those stick. Also, I still find FF a bit more confusing, though I see why people like it.
- Kara
It's lame to pass judgment on which services a person uses. As long as they participate in the conversation, listen, and add value. That would be like criticizing me for not using video. I just suck at it, so I don't.
- Francine Hardaway
Thanks, Francine! But, apparently, some pigs are more social than others.
- Kara
Kara, I also like Twitter and FB best, although sometimes I get involved in a discussion here because they are fun, especially around GG or TWiT
- Francine Hardaway
Kara - I didn't say anything of the sort that you're implying. We all use these services the way we want. What I was questioning was your depth of understanding of these communities. I'm no expert. But: are you?
- phil baumann
Exactly. Like this. But now I gotta go get dinner for the kids, which might not be social, but is MUCH more fun.
- Kara
Didn't we have this argument about a year ago? Or am I having a case of Deja Vu?
- Jesse Stay
You were commenting on how I use social tools. That would be EXACTLY none of your business. It's that kind of know-it-all attitude that keeps regular people from participating. I am not an expert, nor did I ever say I was in the Scooby piece, but you seemed to find out exactly how I use stuff. I don't have any idea how you do, nor do I care. It's your ride around the planet, so knock yourself out.
- Kara
Also, I hope everyone knows that we were having fun with Robert, whom I love as does ATD. He is just the kind of passionate and enthusiastic user of all kinds of Web tools that everyone can appreciate (even if we don't agree on naming of Web eras).
- Kara
I just like that Robert got Kara to comment on FriendFeed ;)
- Jesse Stay
Blabby? first time I've heard the term.
- Carolyn Wood
There is a certain irony that the lovely Kara replied on FF
- David Lloyd
Kara - I was just asking a question. I didn't suggest any amount of knowledge. If I'm upsetting you right now, then I'll stop commenting.
- phil baumann
Good entertainment.
- Chris Rogers
- nice banter- Kara - I think it worked;-)
- Carolyn Wood
Chris - yes. A healthy dose of sparks.
- phil baumann
Really is a silly argument about Semantics, with the exception of the Friendfeed thing, Rob thinks its a crucial part of the 2010 web, Kara thinks one should be able to choose what sites are important for themselves.
- David Lloyd
Hi Kara: I love you too. If I didn't I wouldn't debate you. I will come back to your other points when we open Building43.
- Robert Scoble
And I think "wronger" isn't a word :-P
- Jesse Stay
I also replied ALL OVER TWITTER!
- Kara
I am so following you.
- Carolyn Wood
Scooby, you are SO terminated when Google becomes self-aware! (Then again, they are gunning for me right now due to my opposition to Yahoogle!)
- Kara
Mark: Kara will figure out why friendfeed is so important soon. Mark Zuckerberg today told me it is interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Wronger is not a word. It is a joke word, though!
- Kara
Kara it's okay - Robert called me an idiot on his blog. It's all love. :)
- Jesse Stay
Kara, I was joking too - I just thought the whole semantics debate was funny so thought I'd join in.
- Jesse Stay
Mark Zuckerberg! Well, if the Prophet of Palo Alto says so, then we all must follow! (actually, he is probably trying to buy it now that the Twitter guys dissed him and his $500M in stock and cash.)
- Kara
where else besides FF can you watch an entertaining debate unfold like this?... nowhere I've found... making my morning here much more enjoyable reading this
- MarkHirsch
Actually, I LIKE wronger. Let's all agree--if Zuck approves, of course--to use it all the time,
- Kara
I think Kara has doubled the number of friendfeed comments in this thread alone. :-) hey Kara wait until you discover the search engine.
- Robert Scoble
Kara, as long as I can use "funner"
- Jesse Stay
Oh, god Robert, no more! I am really a bad parent and now might have to resort to take-out pizza.
- Kara
How about: Funnierest
- Kara
Wait, that sounds like it should be illegal.
- Kara
Kara: I am a bad parent too. Come over and we will have a pizza party!
- Robert Scoble
Kara, I like "more funnierest" better though
- Jesse Stay
Predictions for the web in 2010?
- David Lloyd
Phil: You were not upsetting me! I just think it odd that you report on my social practices. Both Walt and I embrace the whole shebang, unlike a lot of other folks in journalism, and we get dinged for not using each and every tool. Like I said, different strokes for different folks (which actually sounds naughty when you type it out like this)
- Kara
Mark, the 2010 web will be more funnierest
- Jesse Stay
and less wronger
- Jesse Stay
The thing is tho Kara, FF really is a wonderful website, it's like Twitter Plus
- David Lloyd
Oh, hmm, predicitions: Screen ubiquity; explosion of touch, gesture, etc across all devices; social embedded in everything and now just here or on FB; real-time becomes useful; and, just wishful thinking for a decade now, the easy use of Web on TV
- Kara
Robert: Pizza with you and your spawn? My kids are like a pair of Dennis the Menaces. Do you have armor for yours?
- Kara
Kara, my big add to all of that: Open
- Jesse Stay
I know FF is great and, post-D, I will try to use it more. But if I end up liking another tool better, I want NO guff.
- Kara
How bout we call it The Mongooses? The Fighting Mongooses?
- Matthew DeVries
Open? A given.
- Kara
Rikki Tikki Tavi
- Kara
You just know right now Robert is in Wordpress editor typing up an epic piece about this whole thing
- David Lloyd
Oh, another GIVEN
- Kara
I think FriendFeed is sucking Kara in - careful, it's addictive
- Jesse Stay
Oh, I do the same on Twitter.
- Kara
Kara - I understand. I was just coming from the angle you just referenced regarding journalists and it's clear from your interaction here that you're thankfully countries away from some of your peers....Anyhoo, I'd like to see more face-off between you and Robert. I think Robert's on to something and your perspective adds another dimension. You should interview each other. Then we can duke it out on FF again. :)
- phil baumann
kinda googley addictive hmmm
- Carolyn Wood
I don't think the in person interview would work, Robert would probably be overwhelmed by Kara's personality and just huddle in a corner!
- David Lloyd
First question Kara could ask: "Why do you leave companies after 18 months!" ouch! hehehe
- David Lloyd
But most people in the IT industry could be asked that one!
- John W Lewis
hehe
- David Lloyd
Kara and Robby say hello to Techmeme
- David Lloyd
Insignificant blabble. Don't these people ever do anything meaningful. If you round off the percentage of people who are "involved with social media" the result is 0.
- Gary Sanders
from BuddyFeed
I enjoyed the article, especially this part: "We. Don’t. Use. FriendFeed. Regularly. As I said, we use Twitter, we use Facebook, we use SMS, we use blogging and we use a whole lot more. In fact, between us, we try out pretty much everything." -- would you agree that their list appears to be broadcast oriented and not discussion oriented?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Why on earth would they want to engage in discussion. They're have to give up 50% of the airtime. Neither of them wants to do that. For them engagement *is* broadcast. They talk. People listen (at least in their minds). That's their interpretation of engagement. hehehe
- Ken Camp
My favourite line was "Oh, Scooby-Don’t…"
- Nicholas James
Kara, Like your FF comments better than Twitter..Its more interactive...:)...
- venkat
Hmm, not surprised Zuckerberg finds Friendfeed "interesting" since Facebook "borrowed" several features from it.
- Laura Norvig
Phil: We have debated live! Love Scoobs.
- Kara
At a Fortune Brainstorm event last year. It was dicey but fun
- Kara
Googley addictive sounds ominous.
- Kara
Oh, Scoobs likes to get around and I like that in a man.
- Kara
Gary: Social media is important and someday so pervasive we will not be debating it.
- Kara
LPH: No, I think I have a lot of interaction with folks on Twitter. A ton, in fact. It can be just as reactive, etc.
- Kara
Ken: That's a long graph there for a listener and all. But attack us all you like! We love that too.
- Kara
I love responding in Twitter too as it requires I be pithy.
- Kara
I am and will always be a big fan of Robert Scoble and Scooby-Do. Sometimes at the same time.
- Kara
Um, Kara? It was GooHoo. Goo. Hoo. I stand by that.
- Andrew Feinberg
Oh cool Louis Gray just left (we spent the evening playing with our kids). I should blog but have had enough fun for the evening!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what? The two of you together and no pictures on FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
...I like "Scooby" more than "Scobelizer"...it's more warm and fuzzy. Scooby, why don't you go with Shaggy to investigate Web 3.0. Me, Daphne and Velma will hang out with the cool kids at E3, signed Freddie
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Jesse: don't we post enough baby photos already? ;-) Maryam made an awesome meal, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert you can never have too many baby photos :)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I took baby photos (and Milan). Want me to post them?
- Louis Gray
Louis, yes, please - do I need to ask? :)
- Jesse Stay
Sweet? Let me regroup!
- Kara
Um, YAHOOGLE
- Kara
Scooby goes for baby talk! Now, I look mean.
- Kara
Also, I am Velma. OBVI.
- Kara
no comment <<-- noise
- Pico Seno
Hey Kara, does your level of activity on this thread mean you might possibly consider participating on FriendFeed more? If so, I'm totally subscribing.
- EricaJoy
Favorite Kara quote: "You must know that mainstream users don’t pay one bit of attention to any and all of the dumb terms Silicon Valley comes up with." Word.
- Aaron D'Souza
Aaron: actually that is very wrong. I hear "Web 2.0" used in mainstream press/media all the time. Which is one reason I hate the name because most people think it is new and not nine years old already.
- Robert Scoble
True Robert, but she said "mainstream users" not "mainstream press/media" :)
- Aaron D'Souza
This is inside baseball. I agree with Kara. The only people who care what you call it are technologists and tech journalists. End users pay absolutely no attention to these labels.
- Kevin Pedraja
And I'd argue that the only reason any mainstream users are familiar with the term(s) is because the mainstream press/media made too big a deal of latching onto useless nomenclature.
- Aaron D'Souza
Thomas Hawk, are you jealous yet? The bloggers embark on the USS Nimitz. Photos. Tons of them: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Many more to come. By the way, the Navy wants to do another trip with social media people. My first recommendation to them? Thomas Hawk. He'd do a lot better than I did. Of course he'd have to drag along a 600 mm F4.0 lens (big ass lens) to get closer than I did. More photos coming in a few minutes (and some videos too).
- Robert Scoble
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Sorry for the duplication, I messed up. Heheh. Thanks Louis for the like twice.
- Robert Scoble
Ready to enlist?
- Andrew Leyden
Robert - How heavy is that huge lens?
- Susan Beebe
People laughed when I brought my 600 mm F4.0 lens (I rented it) on board. They aren't laughing anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: heavy. And I hauled it up a TON of stairs.
- Robert Scoble
I am so jealous you have no idea!
- Loic Le Meur
Andrew: I almost went into the Marines for six years as a photographer.
- Robert Scoble
Loic: you should go on the next trip. It's unbelieveable. It's like Davos but muliplied by 100x.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, it looks really impressive. What about the water? How do you protect it from harmful sea salt water?
- Susan Beebe
Loic: there's nothing like being 10 feet from an F-18 being catapulted off. Wait until you see the video.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: the water is 40 feed beneath the deck. I never even tasted salt. I see more salt in Half Moon Bay. What you have to worry about is hitting lenses when walking up the stairs and jet wash.
- Robert Scoble
On the trip was a former F-18 pilot too, so he helped a lot in our understanding.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - unfortunately you'll never get to see the F-14 at night, which was always something amazing. If possible, get close to an EA-6B on the Cat, it will rattle your teeth and you'll feel it in your gut (I worked on the flightdeck for 10 years as part of the COD crew).
- Vince DeGeorge
Stairwells are steep and narrow. My brother was a Navy Seal on that ship stationed in SD. Very cool rig! He was a medical rescue diver - jumped down out of helicopters to soldiers injured at sea and brought them back up for transport
- Susan Beebe
Get Thomas Hawk on there asap! :)
- Susan Beebe
Vince: I think we saw one of those, but we saw so many planes land and take off that I lost track. I'm back in the hotel. It was one of those experiences that very few people get to have and it totally changed my life. More on how later. It was a great thing to do just after Memorial Day.
- Robert Scoble
Pavan: out of all the experiences I've had, this is the one that sticks in my mind as the most interesting. Both because it was extraordinarily cool, but also because it is a huge responsibility. I was the eyes and ears for a huge number of tax payers, and seeing how their (my) money is being spent is interesting and a large responsibility.
- Robert Scoble
I can tell you - working on the flight deck, the excitement was ALWAYS there... I never got used to it. Of course, it's not exactly somewhere you want to feel comfortable. For any who haven't seen it, go here: http://www.pbs.org/weta... and watch Carrier. It appears they have the full episodes. Memories... now I'm ready to go back in!!!
- Vince DeGeorge
Robert, also remember, that most of that responsibility falls on kids barely out of high school. The military builds character and trains you like no other corporation in the world. A modern day manager with a $3 mil budget? Ha, how about an 18 year old kid that is responsible for a $30 mil dollar aircraft and the lives of those inside?
- Vince DeGeorge
Yes I'm jealous. Why was I not invited??? LOL Awesome you got to Robert. Truly fantastic!
- Sheryl
Those are some stellar shots you got Robert.
- Jason Hansen
This was a PR event put on by the Navy I take it?
- David Lloyd
Show the world what a modern service it is now and how they are all up on blogging and stuff for recruitment? :p
- David Lloyd
jealous yes, looks great
- Kim Landwehr
Vince: the sailors I talked to didn't like the PBS special. They said they only put on disgruntled employees. Mark: yes, they fly VIPs, bloggers, journalists onto the carrier for these embarks so that they can get the word out about what the carrier is like. Pavan: thanks, I'm still uploading.
- Robert Scoble
WOW. I can't wait to see the video.
- Schneider Mike
Robert, I agree - they didn't exactly put on the best sailors, but it did give VERY GOOD insight to what carrier life is like. You have to see through some of the drama (though, believe me - there IS that drama in the Navy). I don't know, I may have a different skew on things. I wasn't what was called "Boat Chuck" - I was aviation, which is a little different world - even further, I was CODs, making it even more so.
- Vince DeGeorge
The video will be up after dinner. I got more than 100 photos up to look at in the meantime.
- Robert Scoble
Robert awesome pix. what lenses did u bring? 70-200 IS, wide angle, 600 mm, can u give us a list of what u used? easier than going into "more properties" on Flickr for a ton of photos
- Elliott Ng
I had a 16-35 F2.8 L Series, a 70-200 F2.8 L Series, and a 600 mm F4.0 L Series. I also had a 50 F1.4 for the night stuff.
- Robert Scoble
check out this thread i just started on friendfeed.. we're up to 150 comments now! http://ff.im/3pYjK
- Jason Pollock
Looks like that 600mm came in handy! I'm green with envy. Looks like a great opportunity and everyone had a blast.
- Jim Goldstein
Nice Photos Scobleizer!
- JimmyJet
Awesome! Sign me up! Love it! Great photos!
- Thomas Hawk
Did they let you shoot anywhere you wanted or were some areas off limits?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: only two things were off limits: the nuclear power plant and the room where they were playing war games. Everything else was OK to shoot.
- Robert Scoble
very cool. What a fantastic opportunity to shoot. Loved the photos, faved a bunch of them.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm available to cadie
- Mrsth
Civil jealousy. Must be so awesome. Your a Navy Lottery winner.
- Harry
Harry. This beats a private tour of the White House. My connectivity sucks so can't get the videos up until tonight.
- Robert Scoble
I have lots of Bing hype on http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... Finally Microsoft has a decent search platform
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I think Google pulled off a massive press hijacking to be honest
- Zee.
Is it available then?
- Kol Tregaskes
It looks very powerful..should be fun to have serious competition..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Expectations are high, and the hype is certainly there as well....not limited to FF
- Clifford Kennedy
Kol: Not yet - http://www.bing.com/ComingSoon
- Clifford Kennedy
Thanks, Clifford. So like Google Wave I'll wait on any opinion until we can actually use it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Have any Bing preview codes laying around? *wink wink* :)
- xxdesmus
It's long overdue
- Michael Fidler
I would have to agree with Zee; Google stole the day with their announcement of Wave
- Michael Fidler
I'm have a hard time caring about anything MS does; it mostly stinks.
- Chris Spizzirri
GOOG Wave did not steal the day PR wise, as Bing actually rolls out for broad use early June, so should be a new hype round then - for the less geeky set though!
- JimmyJet
video on http://www.decisionengine.com/Default... doesn't work on my Chrome. Hopefully, Bing'll work great on every browser. Trying to lock it with IE, as they are doing with is Hotmail, is not really good move.
- Tanomsak
Well I sat through the looooong video. It's really nice but just need to get my hands on it to get a good idea of the service. I hope the months go by quickly. I guess a dev release if first so the rest of us will have to wait even longer? :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Philip Bloom » Blog Archive » How to record sound with the Canon 5dmk2 and a great plug in for Final Cut for auto synching - http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009...
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Great article for those of you trying to use Canon 5D Mark II DSLRs in video mode.
- Robert Scoble
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I love my Canon 5D MKII for video, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
A bit of a overkill don't you think? For that sort of money you could get a really good Video camera with all the accessories of your dreams. I say let SLR's be SLR's. I think the focus these days are completely wrong, instead of working on adding a more and more features give me better quality at a lower prize. What is the next thing going to be - the EOS phone?
- Asgeir
Asgeir: I disagree. The video on this is STUNNING and I like shooting stills and doing videos on the same device. I can't carry so many toys.
- Robert Scoble
There's no easy answer to this while i agree with Asgeir that the focus these days is all wrong there's also a point with what Scoble says about how many toys can you carry. With all of us wanting to document every moment on camera there's always going to be that amalgamation of technologies that the purists will not be happy with :)
- Bhowmik Shah
Bhowmik: keep in mind that Rocky and I carry two $5,000 video cameras, too. They are nicer, yes, but for many things I like the Canon better. The Canon gives me a look closer to cinema cameras because I can have extreme lens choices, etc. Also, like tomorrow, I'll be on the aircraft carrier. I'm using a 600 mm F4.0 lens. That's hard to use on a video camera (our cameras don't have interchangeable lenses) but on the Canon it's a snap. Plus the quality is awesome. Go to SmugMug and watch some of the videos.
- Robert Scoble
Here, watch this video: http://blogs.smugmug.com/don... stunning quality. And it takes even better still photos!
- Robert Scoble
I have tried it and thought it was fantastic. But if video was not there, would the price be lower? I am a bit of a traditionalist when it comes to SLR's. I love my camera for what it does, the focus on doing one thing - taking great photos. Adding features like video, would be s bit of a distraction I feel
- Asgeir
Yep totally agree with you. I myself have an Epson Rangefinder (more suited to my kind of photography :) ) and an Olympus E300 its always a toss up between which camera should i carry and there are heaps of times when i wish i had a video camera :( .... by the way i'm looking forward to some pics from the USS Nimitz :) ...... have a good trip
- Bhowmik Shah
Asgeir: if video wasn't there I probably would have kept my old 5D. The video capabilities in the new 5D have sold TONS of these. EVERYONE talks to me about the video capabilities. It's what has everyone interested in this camera.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, check out http://vimeo.com/4782593 EDIT: I was on my iPhone and I couldn't see that Bloom linked to the Zacuto video. #oldcollegetry
- Christopher Harley
With or without Video, the important thing is what is behind the camera :)
- Asgeir
I just had a look at that video Robert, The quality is really really good. I guess its a matter of choice. I definitely wouldn't mind having video with quality like that in my camera handy for whenever i need it ;)
- Bhowmik Shah
I'm afraid of the video capabilities of my 5D M2.
- Thomas Hawk
I think I saw that thing in one of Alex Lindsay's videos from NAB on MacBreak at pixelcorps.tv... Not sure if it's this one: http://www.pixelcorps.tv/macbrea...
- Holger Eilhard
@ Thomas Hawk - What do you mean?
- Christopher Harley
Sound has always been an afterthought on Digicams/SLR's, even stand alone video cams. Bad Mistake!
- JimmyJet
How to get attention at a Twitter conference? Walk in with the biggest lens. @140tc Details on what I was doing: - http://img32.imageshack.us/my...
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This weekend I am going on an aircraft carrier so I rented a 600mm F4.0 lens for my Canon 5D MKII from Keeble and Shuchat photography in Palo Alto (costs $300 to rent, costs about $8,000 to buy) and I brought it into the Twitter Conference today where it turned lots of heads. This photo is by @pkitano
- Robert Scoble
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That pic makes me laugh - awesome - it would get you noticed.
- Robert Freeze
I'd like to take one of those to Yellowstone with me some time
- Jesse Stay
"Well you can tell by the way I use my walk..."
- Johnny Worthington
Is that a BIG lens or are you just happy to be Twittering?
- Clifford Kennedy
Looks like someone's compensating... :P
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
What kind of pics did you take with it at the conference?
- Robert Freeze
Should be interesting going through airport security with that. :) Will that even fit in the overhead compartment?
- Gil Francisco III
Robert Freeze: I'll post some shortly. Really awesome closeups. Gil, yeah, it will. Comes in a nice case.
- Robert Scoble
Cool...closeups
- Robert Freeze
Amanda: it's all about compensating! I want to have a bigger lens than Guy Kawasaki! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Other photos of me with my lens: http://friendfeed.com/search... Yet another way to show off friendfeed's search!
- Robert Scoble
Is the size of your lense about how much authority you have?
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, I see a lot of men buying these when they turn 40... ;)
- Jorge Escobar
I think you achieved your noble goal, Robert. :D That is the Enzyte of lenses.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Jesse: it sure lets you take great Twitter avatar photos of people from across the room!
- Robert Scoble
I bet you could see Utah with that thing
- Jesse Stay
Isn't that the same lens they use in the Hubble telescope?
- imabonehead
imabonehead: that lens is just slightly bigger. Heheh. By the way, I just uploaded some more photos from today so you can see some of the long lens magic: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
Leather: I shoot everything in RAW and JPG. I upload the JPGs.
- Robert Scoble
All those pocket jokes come to mind...Robert you crave attention so the lense is merely a prop :) Oh my what a big lense you have...LOL!
- Owen Greaves
more attractive then Paris, for me :)) LOL
- Hüseyin Mert
Leather: yeah, yeah. You try doing white balance while carrying around a big lens. Anyway, that's what Lightroom is for. I only upload my photos PRE processing. If you want them processed you can pay for them. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
next time, you need to get the biggest sigma lens you can to maintain that record :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Good choice on your camera, highly praised for HD videos.
- polou/indigo_bow
The "largest lens thing" IS a man thing. For some guys. Usability, Adequacy with needs, Efficiency come into play for other guys. A 50mm ("fixed") with a nice aperture is a good choice for "on the fly" shoots.
- Zackatoustra
Man, that's a real heavy gun. With this one, you could easily take pictures of Astro_Mike sending tweets from space.
- Nir Ben Yona
that's... great! :D
- Alberto D'Ottavi
Awesome! related stuff here --> http://ff.im/3e8U8
- Roshan Ramachandran
Robert: Carrying that all day would solve my workout worries, the only problem my brother would probably ninja ambush me to grab it for his own star gazing/animal photography needs. Awesome camera man, will look forward to the imagery content it shall provide.
- Mark Essel
Some people never get enough attention.
- T.S. Elliott
oddly the same things happens to me at my daughters ballet recital with only a 200 f2.8
- Chris Patterson
Are those lens heavy?
- ashish
That's just a little bit on the other side of insane. I'd kill for a lens half that size.
- Donald Forth
I bet you buy the Magnum XLs, too :p
- Peter Warnock
That works at gay bars too. Oh wait....not lenses.
- sean808080
How generations change: my son, tonight, after seeing something new from Google told the team "I'm not like my dad, I don't have a web site."
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This is from a 15-year-old who is very expert with world of warcraft, has a MySpace page, a Twitter account, a friendfeed account, is very active on Mac Rumors, etc.
- Robert Scoble
He is on more of the Internet than probably 9 out of 10 humans alive and he defines himself to a Google team by not owning a web site. Interesting.
- Robert Scoble
you should make one for him.
- Alfredo
Making websites is time consuming and, in my opinion, not necessary if you simply need a place to publish to the web, talk with friends and get yourself out there.
- Brandon Titus
Renting vs owning in real estate terms?
- Micah Wittman
Alfredo: the unspoken message is that his generation doesn't need a web site. They'll still be a major part of the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Its the same with my younger relatives... They have a far more natural approach to the new media "So do you kids use the Internet regulary?" - "No..... Not that much?" - "So what do you do when you go online" - "facebook, youtube, myspace, for school, for work..." - "how often do you check facebook?" - "hmmm few times A day"
- Andreas Klinger
How many teenagers want to (admit to) be like their dad?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
It took me back to how I found my doctor. She's #1 on Yelp but yet had never been there. The world is changing and it no longer is only about having a website.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: there's some of that in what he was trying to say, yes. His generation wants to be "more with it" than the previous. But I think there's something deeper going on. The 2010 Web isn't about owning a web site anymore.
- Robert Scoble
He'll change his tune when someone with his name does something controversial and it's #1 on Google.
- Mark
Sounds like the teenager asked by Don Tapscott ("Wikinomics") about why she was not using email to communicate with friends. Reply: "Hmm ... email. That would be the sort of thing you'd use to send a thank you letter ... to your friend's ... parents!"
- John W Lewis
Mark: have you checked how fast friendfeed items are showing up on Google lately? I have. You don't need a blog or a web site to be on Google anymore.
- Robert Scoble
John: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
I think that domains will become mostly for business and the like while personal profiles will be controlled by social networks, profile sites (Google profiles) etc.
- Brandon Titus
@Robert maybe - or maybe it's about owning an identity you control which may indeed look like a website but function as an identity broker owned by the user
- Chris Saad
Some one still has to create the websites though. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Can I get out of making a website for my teenage son with these arguments?
- Anita Hunt
Chris: translation: own a Facebook profile. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
But does the _you_ own the Facebook profile?
- Micah Wittman
Your son has probably realized that most personal websites are never seen.
- Trine Curtis
I too agree that the new generations do not need a web site. What they need instead is a presence on this Interweb. This can be achieve in many other more effective means than a personal web site; in the traditional sense.
- Vinko
If you want to seed control of the social web to facebook then sure. Or maybe the next generation identity hub will be as distributed and open as a web-server
- Chris Saad
I have more ego than he. I'll be damned if I'm going to let Facebook own me and my profile. meh.
- Karoli
Micah makes a good point about renting vs owning. Also, some people just want communication, others will want permanence (that they own and control). I still suspect that as new generations age they will still want to create more of a legacy on their own domains.
- LogEx
Or does Facebook own it (in the possession is 9/10 of the law sense)
- Micah Wittman
It's the difference between having a web presences and a website... Just because I don't own my home doesn't mean I'm not a citizen.
- Johnny Worthington
It was never about having a website. It never will be. It will always will be using the right tools to reach the right people. People that you care about and people that care about you.
- Akshay Dodeja
It's all about getting the most out of the web. If your own website doesn't do it but a Facebook profile does, then by all means don't do your own website. Marketing still isn't dead though - act on results.
- Jesse Stay
Chris: his real identity is on MySpace. That's where his friends hang out and he's asked me not to link to his MySpace profile. Why not? Cause then all "my friends" will show up there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The new generation's presence on the web will be fluid. They will not have one place where they blog, post photos or share their thoughts. It will transform as the technology transform.
- Vinko
Akshay: exactly. That was his message to me. Plus there was a tinge of "that blogging thing is so dead." Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
MySpace, Facebook, these are all nice walled gardens like AOL before them - but eventually the rest of the web will become just as rich and inviting as the walled gardens - and not because Facebook Connect.
- Chris Saad
Facebook Connect is a great proof of concept, but the real solution will be based on open standards just like the web is based on TCP/IP and HTTP
- Chris Saad
Chris: Facebook will be forced to open up. Why? Because Google will show them the money is in search and to do search, even in the real time web, you need to open up.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sounds like there's an opportunity to show him why it could be useful, if not now, perhaps in the future for him.
- Jesse Stay
We'll be ripe for a backlash in a few years, especially if services don't keep moving in the direction of data portability.
- LogEx
Robert: I have tried to many times to start a blog. Failed each and every time. Now I am trying different things and its working in some ways :)
- Akshay Dodeja
Actually it's friendfeed that's going to show them that, but Google will be recognized by most of the world and Google definitely is moving to make sure that they are a player in the real time web.
- Robert Scoble
No Facebook will open up because Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and others are working actively to dilute their lock on the social graph. It's in google's interest to continue to erode Facebooks monopoly so they can continue to index the social web
- Chris Saad
Chris: sorry, that's a side show. The real action is going to happen in search. Or, something associated with filtered display.
- Robert Scoble
The community has an opportunity to work with the 'loosers' and the startups to ensure that we don't crown a new king, but rather to push the web as the ultimate platform
- Chris Saad
Facebook only competes with Google on the private web. Until they offer indexed, public search they will never be able to compete side-by-side with Google. They only offer a subset of what Google provides right now.
- Jesse Stay
Awesome to see this conversation in "real time"
- David Damore
Chris: the REAL money is NOT on the social graph. I can see this so clearly. Very few can, though.
- Robert Scoble
@robert the real money is (imho) not in search but in knowing about the user - search is just yet the best way to know about him/her - facebook could deliever social enhanced adwords to the internet
- Andreas Klinger
I'm not arguing about that - but if Facebook was left unchecked then they could own the new social search and monetizing the user not the page. That's why Google will work hard to erode Facebook's monopoly to ensure they stay in the game
- Chris Saad
Andreas: that's what search looks like in the future.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: true, but Google is NOT going to leave Facebook unchecked. Facebook needs to move much faster than it is, actually.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert the real value is in the stream and being able to index it - which Google can't do with the Facebook feed
- Chris Saad
Users are not monetizeable, by the way. Intent and other "about to consume" gestures are. I want an icecream is monetizeable. Eating an ice cream is not.
- Robert Scoble
Eating chocolate icecream every wed IS
- Chris Saad
It means you like dairy, chocolate and sweets on wed
- Chris Saad
APML.org
- Chris Saad
@ Chris Saad: +1
- David Damore
@Robert "i know you could now want an ice cream" is worth even more imho
- Andreas Klinger
Chris: that's an "about to consume" gesture. Agreed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The real value is in being able to index the *entire* web, and knowing each user that is searching that entire web. Facebook isn't anywhere near being able to do that.
- Jesse Stay
Andreas: or, if you are Gary Vaynerchuk you can make me want a merlot-flavored ice cream. That's worth the most. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: :)
- Andreas Klinger
Jesse: Facebook has an index that Google can't get to and it pisses off Google.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Look forward to debating this with u in person tmr at 6pm
- Chris Saad
Isn't the idea of social profiles a search to figure out what a user wants next, now? Like how people visit car websites before buying an automobile?
- David Damore
Robert, Google has many indexes Facebook can't get to as well - Gmail, Orkut, Docs, Apps, many more...
- Jesse Stay
But wait, surely he does have a web site, a blog, etc.? They are his Facebook page!
- John W Lewis
@Jesse which is why Google, Yahoo, Microsoft etc are still in the game - the notion that 'Facebook has won' is just valley hype
- Chris Saad
With the kind of information that Google is tracking isn't Google in the best place to monetize our conversations?
- Vinko
There are 2 things we're talking about here - the "private web" and the "public web". Facebook has one. Google has both.
- Jesse Stay
No we're talking about the document web vs. the Social web :)
- Chris Saad
Chris, Google has both of those as well.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse agreed - Google is still going very strong - and should/will buy FF and Twitter to strengthen their position
- Chris Saad
I dont like facebook, to me its a lot of social drama...
- sergio luna
Jesse: Google's Infos about the Socialgraphs are too fuzzy. Gmail is like my telephone calllist - not my telephone adressbook
- Andreas Klinger
Chris, or, just strengthen one of their existing products to compete. Google Chat stands out to me.
- Jesse Stay
Andreas you should see my Google Voice address book. It wouldn't take much to connect that all together.
- Jesse Stay
@Andreas Google's graphs are super active. Noise for google = pointers to the signal - that's what they do best
- Chris Saad
Short question: am i the only one thinking that Social Widgets (Facebook Apps at external Sites) combined with an Advert System is an most interesting thing to come ?
- Andreas Klinger
@Jesse their best bet is Gmail and Address book integrated with FriendFeed
- Chris Saad
I don't like Facebook either. Now people I thought I'd left behind 20 years ago are finding me again. Yay. But more importantly, someone said ice cream.
- Trine Curtis
Jesse: Yet, in my network, Skype Chat is much more widely used than Google Chat.
- John W Lewis
Chris, agreed - there's a reason Facebook, Twitter, and FriendFeed all let you import your Gmail contacts. They want Google's private web.
- Jesse Stay
@Andreas No you're not - If Facebook owns the social graph/stream then they will try to own the widgets and ad units - that's why the rest of the web needs to provide a viable alternative so that there is no new monopoly.
- Chris Saad
I think that Google will strengthen it's social system by bringing in contact finding through the social graph from services like FriendFeed, Twitter, and maybe Facebook and clearing out the noise. Their contact manager or whatever will be strengthened once they have a real Google Chat, Google Voice, and Gmail working together.
- Brandon Titus
I love coming over to FriendFeed to always see an amazingly active thread going on in the Scobleverse!!
- Jason Pollock
in my network microsoft msn is the leader...neither skype or google chat are as strong
- sergio luna
John, I'm talking about strength of the social graph in each one. Skype doesn't hold a finger to Google's contacts.
- Jesse Stay
Sergio, agreed - Microsoft also has a very big potential to compete. I'd say they're more a threat to Google than Facebook right now in this area.
- Jesse Stay
All of these platforms have their advantages - the point is they are all social services and should inter operate for the benefit of the user - and benefit the bottom line of the companies that make it happen
- Chris Saad
(Meta-point: this conversation IS the live web in action, but how does it scale? What happens to the quality of conversation if the rate of commenting on this topic exceeds my reading speed?)
- John W Lewis
Then again, in the competition for people, once you're indexing every person with web access, you also have access to their lives, websites, and personal data. That's much more powerful than an anonymous index of every website on the planet. Facebook could have a chance.
- Jesse Stay
This conversation is a byproduct of the the live web - but it's not much more than an indexable chatroom. The status updates and feeds that generate this conversation are the real interesting part
- Chris Saad
@Jesse that's Facebook's play - and that's why Google and others are working to dilute the monopoly (a monopoly of mindshare at least) - that's why the community at large has an opportunity to support an open approach
- Chris Saad
During times of change, we have an opportunity to ensure the outcome is open - open means innovation can surge ahead at the nodes instead of being controlled by a central authority
- Chris Saad
Chris, at the same time indexing each individual rather than website could be more advantageous in the end. Google's not doing that quite as well as Facebook. That's not to say they won't, and they're definitely making progress at the moment. Google doesn't necessarily publish what they're tracking about you. Facebook does, via the live stream when you log in - which is more open per se?
- Jesse Stay
For an interesting look at the cross-section of marketing / customer behaviour (mostly off-line, but the web is part of the story) and obsession, check out this documentary on contesters ("professional" contest participants) - just saw it on a plane ride http://www.cbc.ca/doczone... [Interestingly, when I searched for this documentary, I found the guy who pitched the...
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- Micah Wittman
Jesse by this argument is google "publically tracking for you that you publish your webpage"
- Andreas Klinger
I'm checking out guys - nice chat :)
- Chris Saad
Jesse, its just different type of technology you use - Stream.put or Ftp.put
- Andreas Klinger
History will repeat! I started with email on CompuServe and did not communicate with others on other services, then discovered "internet mail". As with hardware, software, email and now social media, the architecture of vertical silos will gradually transform into horizontal layers ... from below! Only then does the "network effect" really start!
- John W Lewis
Andreas, do you know everything Google has tracked about you? What about all the Analytics tracking on each website you visit combined with data they've learned about you elsewhere? With Google, there's no way to opt-out without just killing your internet connection. At least with Facebook, it's opt-in. Google, IMO, has the potential to be much more evil than Facebook. That is, unless Facebook enters the open web arena.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, this tracking is not public on facebook neither
- Andreas Klinger
Jesse, true Google is big enough to pass the last frontier point of relationship to reality
- Andreas Klinger
Andreas, I know almost everything Facebook is tracking on me because they at least publish most of it via my stream. True, I don't know everything, but I know a lot. Not only that but they give me controls on what they can do with what they're tracking. I can't do that with Google.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the stream info is your active part not your passive part
- Andreas Klinger
Jesse anyway i think we are talking about the same :)
- Andreas Klinger
Ok gotta go for a slow-real-life Meeting - cya!
- Andreas Klinger
I really think its not about who will conquer what i.e. google, facebook, etc... I really believe all this players are the basics, like the old economic scheme, I think we are going to evolve and use all this sites & technology in a very diverse and sophisticated form, kind of like what the brand Starbucks is to the old industry of coffee. google, facebook etc. are the industrial plants of our new digital era.
- sergio luna
Andreas, agreed, but I can still opt in to Facebook. I can't opt-in or opt-out of Google completely. I'm just saying it's not all about "open" like Google would like you to think. That's just their Marketing play, and we're all falling for it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, 100% agree
- Andreas Klinger
Are we forgetting something? Facebook, Google, ... ARE websites. It is just about the level at which we engage. I do not need to build my own car to drive on the road; I can buy one, it is cheaper. But if I buy a Lamborghini or Porsche, I can still interact (inc. collide!) with you in your Mercedes! (For the public record, I drive an Audi.) Robert recently posted about geek disconnect, these guys are making the web consummable.
- John W Lewis
So we've finally found the one person in the world who doesn't want to friend you on FB!
- Rebecca Rachmany
Websites are so 1990s
- Stephen Pickering
From the mouths of babes... or 15year olds. At least we can count on things constantly changing just a little faster than many can adapt to.
- Mark Essel
Makes me feel better for not updating my website anymore - I'm not behind, I'm ahead :D
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
"I don't have a web site" indeed. My kids were not interested in learning how to create websites. "We have blogs on our cell phones." Well, then...
- Rick Cogley
your son's approach doesn't sound as absurd as it might seem at first. look at skittles, who dropped their website and transfered everything to twitter! and i was just thinking the other day about an ngo-website i'm involved in and why not moving it completely over to a facebook page.
- Johannan Edelman
In the next hour or so I will pass 37,000 subscribers. friendfeed's growth is accelerating. It is about time to look for a new shiny object. The celebrities will be here soon.
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- Capn' One Eye - adrift
I think 1,000 have followed me this week alone. It's amazing to watch the early adopters catch on to what Louis Gray showed me more than a year ago.
- Robert Scoble
lol....well that proves Robert is the one and only cutting-edge celebrity we all gotta follow! 37k subs on ff is gr8. and i gotta work like a dog to reach even 1k.
- Freddie Benjamin
ugh :)
- Stefanie Hahn
oh please don't say that. oh no. I just got here.
- Rick Fisher
Rick: you're safe for another month or maybe two. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Shhhhh!
- Jeff Betts
How the hell are you digesting all this data, are you a robot in disguise ?
- Ryan Erickson
I wish I had time to figure out friend feed! I'm computer savvy and this one has me stumped! Send me a basic video please! I've got some of the basics down, but the community aspect and how to communicate has me stumped...other than when you send me here from twitter.
- Hummie
Ryan: I have high resolution screens and I type fast. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Isn't that just like a man? Gets your heart all a flutter and then he moves on.
- Sharon McPherson
Hummie: I showed Jimmy Wales friendfeed on Saturday night: http://www.ustream.tv/recorde... -- that might help you (after the first couple of minutes).
- Robert Scoble
You're a machine :)
- Ryan Erickson
No one mention friendfeed to the 'normals'.
- Ryan Whitwam
Have you studied how much conversation celebrities actually have? They might find FF needing more personal maintenance than they want to.
- Yann Ropars
Don't ask me about shiny new stuff. My web development is in a 50-year-old language and its most exciting features relate to a 10-year-old data format.
- Bruce Lewis
Ryan Whitwam: too late. Google is indexing friendfeed posts higher than Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
for the love of all that is geek, no one RT this to K-utcher or O-prah.
- Alachia
Hopefully, friendfeed will have implemented real-time filters before Oprah comes here, also to filter massive amounts of comments coming in by "likes" and algorithms on the "likes" so selections among 1000s of chatters are filtered in real-time to the front for each user while the rest of the conversations are hidden in a personalized way based on their own likes and friends
- Charbax
Alachia: Kutcher came to a TechCrunch party last year. He's the real deal. Oprah? Um, no.
- Robert Scoble
Why would a real geek play the numbers game then?
- Alachia
Someone should create a Techmeme for celebrities... a tool that search and aggregate social media sphere txt and rich media into one stream...
- Yann Ropars
Thanks..I'm watching the link now...I see Friend Feed has changed since I was here last.
- Hummie
Anyway, I know you weren't totally serious posting this. But I do think you could more fully explore the toys you're already playing with. Spend some time on that Site Integration page. You know which one I mean.
- Bruce Lewis
Look for the next shiny object. We'll be here when you get back. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis: if you haven't found a new shiny object yet, it's safe to stay here for a couple more months. :-)
- Robert Scoble
:) who will be the King ff FF, Ashton? or do we graduate to more distinguished folks? sanjaya perhaps
- Samer Forzley
There is nothing shinier than FF.
- Diego Barros
Okay, see...I cannot figure out where the search is that you are referring to!
- Hummie
At least you can "hide" the celebrities in FF. Ooo look, something shiny over there!
- Brian
+1 Louis :-D
- Bruce Lewis
Hummie: The search bar is at the top of the page. Search for a term you're interested in, and on the resulting page you'll notice a red bar at the top with a link "click here to save". Click the link and you can customize and save that search.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Oh geez...HOW did I miss that search box...if it were a bug, it would have bit me! Thanks...going to test the save a search now. If I can figure this place out, I'll be sure to do a video on how to use it on my blog...cause that's what I do...and people expect me to do!
- Hummie
Okay, someone tell me how I make a post on Friendfeed without having one import from another application (twitter, Flickr, etc).
- Hummie
=) It takes a bit of time to get everything (especially now with so many options). There's a group specifically for cool searches you can save, give me a moment and I'll get you a link. Also, there's a FF for Beginners group that might be helpful. Again, just a moment and I'll have you a link. As for how to post: see the text box underneath the search box? Post there.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF. If you left where would you go?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
FF for Beginners group http://friendfeed.com/friendf... FF Saved Searches group http://friendfeed.com/ffss And Hammie, we're usually a pretty friendly bunch. Let us know if you have any questions =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks for your help, Tina. I think the new interface since I was here last is a big improvement. It's easier to figure out than it was before.
- Hummie
No problem, Hummie =) The new interface is intriguing: people who were really active on FF before started out disliking it (but most have grown accustomed to it). People who didn't connect with FF before really seem to like it. Not sure what that says about the differences in the two user types...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I can recommend to open the users reg. to other sites as well ,for example it can be great to let other sites to get for their users an automatic registration here in FF
- Johni Fisher
Johni, FF has pretty much implemented exactly that. People can log in with their Twitter, Facebook, or Google IDs now.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Yes thats right but lets say that we have an online newspaper that would like to create users here to his users and to have activity ....in my opinion with this pos we can get here much more than just the tech users
- Johni Fisher
I am enjoying friendfeed rightnow since it is safe from undue publicity.
- ashish
Ashish: that will only last a few more weeks, given the growth rate here.
- Robert Scoble
will this result in more maintanence time = offline time?
- ashish
:-)) u r wrong Robert as long that you control the info that u can get u will keep the fun
- Johni Fisher
I suspect the "early adopters" - "celebrities" timeline is an oversimplification. It's quite possible that a year from now, Twitter will have moved from its "Oprah" stage to a post-Oprah stage, which is more accurately reflected by the timeline "early adopters" - "celebrities" - "everybody else." Think of cell phones as an example. There was a period when celebrities and yuppies...
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- John E. Bredehoft
they are already here, I noticed P Diddy and a Khardasian in my friendfeed followers the other day.
- Christi
John: sorry, Twitter won't get "everyone else." They already are on facebook.
- Robert Scoble
its past my bedtime.. I will have to read about it tomorrow.. g'nite :o)
- David Gross
I've passed two kidney stones, but 37,000 friendfreed subscribers? That sounds really painful.
- Ranger Craig
Plurk. The celebrities will never use Plurk. Of course, there are good reasons for that.
- Ken Wallich
I'll keep an eye on the list of suggested users. As long as you are on top, I think this is still a safe Geekdome...(how many users does FF claim?)
- Antonella Stellacci
NO!!!! AGHH!!!!
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: I passed 37,000 a while ago. The growth here is headed up and I got there a LOT faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
But aren't most of your FF subscribers also Twitter followers? Add that you're the first face new FF see when they join :)
- Antonella Stellacci
Seriously, though not sure celebrities will want to be on Friendfeed, unless there interested in good conversation, its not a megaphone like Twitter is, which is all the a lot of celebrities want.
- Kim Landwehr
Antonella: most of my Twitter followers were readers of my blog, too. So? That's how I separate out the real people from the bots. The bots stick with what I did yesterday. The real people follow me to the new shiny object when I find one.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: celebrities go where the people are. Just wait.
- Robert Scoble
I fear that this friend feed, twitter followers race is becoming too much for the slightly more tech savvy but still average user to keep up with. Someone looking for a place to connect on multiple topics but doesn't have a blog, start -up or celebrity status (of any kind) to warrant any following other than sheer wit to compete with. I work in hi-tech and love love LOVE all things web...
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- Cyndi Brigham
Robert, they go where the most people go. It'll be a LONG time before they show up here.
- Kyle Sellers
Kyle: wrong. The celebrities are already starting to show up here.
- Robert Scoble
Cyndi: do you know of a group like this on Twitter: http://friendfeed.com/persian...
- Robert Scoble
Filter them out.
- John
The celebs won't know what to do on ff
- Dennis Jackson
Agreed, but I guess that the migration from readers of a blog to Twitter users was slower than Twitter-> Friendfeed which might explain the different timeframe. The next shiny is more than welcome...
- Antonella Stellacci
Thanks Robert, based on this, I think that for what I'm looking for, Friend Feed may be more the route than Twitter...The link you sent was amazing. I don't know that I'd find that on Twitter. Appreciate the response!
- Cyndi Brigham
my friend feed has exploded this week, I think it's a much better listening device
- Jessica Wilzig Gottlieb
James: Kim Kardashian: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
James: Gavin Newsom, who is running for California Governor: http://friendfeed.com/GavinNe...
- Robert Scoble
Jimmy Fallon was rumored to be on here, but I can't find him.
- Robert Scoble
Do you think in a year or so, FriendFeed could take over the space from Twitter, and that Twitter will be sort of the "Myspace" or do you think they will both thrive together, sort of need each other?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't see friendfeed taking over from Twitter in next year. I see friendfeed going in a different direction. The money is in search, so friendfeed needs to be a massively better search engine. We're seeing the groundwork for that now, but it'll take a year to make it obvious to everyone.
- Robert Scoble
so abandon ship on Twitter everyone.
- Brad Jackson
re Jimmy Fallon: this one? http://friendfeed.com/jimmyfa... ( couldn't find thru search but just writing the vanity URL with the name)
- Antonella Stellacci
Antonella: heh, I didn't think of just typing in the URL. Yeah, that looks like him. Mostly a clone of his Tweets though.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed WAY more useful no? It's not even close....
- j sven
That makes me too late... I didn't like how Friend Feed was before. Now I don't like how Twitter is and I'm falling in luv/lust with FriendFeed. .. but if the celebs invade, and the "like-ables" like you leave... oh whoa... where shall I go?
- Arleen Anderson
Arleen: don't worry, we'll have plenty of time to figure that out. We've already been sending Louis Gray on scouting trips to make sure we have somewhere to go. :-)
- Robert Scoble
08:00 BST you made it! 37,045 subscribers. Congrats :)
- Anita Hunt
More shiny objects Robert? at least stay until this one gets tarnished ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: actually, wait until we get skinning here. Then it'll seem brand new for quite a while. I'm not leaving, just having some fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hummie I'm with you on this. When I first came here I very quickly walked away again, I just couldn't figure it out. I had to get help from my son. There's a lesson there for all of us by the way. And it's possible this "Oh Christ now what do I do?" initial impression is keeping the RiffRaff out. Unlike that other service over there ----> which is real easy to understand.
- Gilbert Harding
we're already here, you just haven't noticed us yet!
- randulo
Is there a list of the most subscribed to people on friendfeed? I'm guessing RObert has to be the most subscribed t0, non-friendfeed employee?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: yes, it's at http://www.ffholic.com/Users...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert!
- Jim Connolly
Gah, I DO NOT want that to happen! I finally got rid of twitter (except for using it with friendfeed) and don't want to have to find something else. Maybe I should start my own social network... *ponders that thought for a second* Nah, too much work.
- MλTT
Robert - I knew you would be top of the pile! I'm in 350th place apparently - w00t!!
- Jim Connolly
Matt: (that really did make me laugh out loud!!)
- Jim Connolly
I'm not sure the celebs with come to friendfeed. At least not in the same way they have with twitter. Twitter is a broadcast medium to most celebs. They want to tell the world what they are doing and build their brand. They have no interest in what their followers are doing. FF appears to be more of a community where discussion and sharing can take place. (i know you know this but just wanted to add my 2cents)
- Jamie Vidamour
@Jamie Apparently not everyone got that memo ;-) http://friendfeed.com/iamdiddy & http://friendfeed.com/kimkard...
- Gordon Saunders
I think FriendFeed is 'just' complex enough to scare the crap out of the celebs. Look at the trouble Oprah had with something as easy to use as Twitter! That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them.
- Jim Connolly
<The celebrities will be here soon> Yup .
- JimmyJet
"That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them" Jim that sounds like a promising business plan.
- Gilbert Harding
My fear exactly. In fact I wonder if following the latest social network trend will itself become the mainstream media's new news trend. I do believe tech and celebs can live in harmony on the same broadcast platform, but it depends greatly on the management of that platform. Twitter management handled this badly. Recommendations should be based on content, not the number of followers...
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- Keith Barrett
Do you have ghosts like Guy Kawasaki ? How you manage to control all of the streams! 90K+ on twitter, 30K+ from FF.. Amazing.. Really.. I jelaous.
- Jacque
Jacque: I do all my own social media work. No ghosts. I just do what I can!
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what the next new shiny object will be, any guesses or predictions?
- Sally Church
"Next new shiny object"...which is?
- Luciano
Luciano: Louis Gray hasn't figured that out yet, so we have at least six months.
- Robert Scoble
I understand having many subscribers but how do you make sense of the flood of all those you subscribe to?
- Steve Levin
Steve Levin: liberal use of the hide feature and many, many lists and groups...I assume.
- Bob Blunk
Steve - I'm pretty sure Robert did a video a while ago - showing what his feed looked like and how he handled it.
- Jim Connolly
we have some shiny tin cans and some wire... so ...
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Steve: I posted about virtual omniscience of Robert Scoble here: http://messel.typepad.com/my_webl... there's a video of Robert describing it there
- Mark Essel
Actually, Pretty Monkey Studio just gave me a great idea: Create my own social network made out of strings and tin cans that spans across the whole world so that everyone can be connected by voice, rather than text... Wait! That may have a few problems *thinks about the repercussions of creating a social network where people put a tin can to their ear while millions of voices are piped (strung?) in to it*
- MλTT
matt: its easy.. you will have a tin can for each person you are connected to. the others get a lid. and for group chats you just need more people that are sitting next to you in the treehouse :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Pretty Monkey: Dibs on that idea! I'm developing a prototype and getting a patent tomorrow :P
- MλTT
just come over to our treehouse and we'll hook you up :D we even have pink tin cans !!
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Nooooo!!! It's MY idea, Pretty Monkey! If this kicks off, you aren't getting any of the profits :P
- MλTT
sry we already have the patent ;) but you could try triangle shaped yellow tin cans for your prototype. Banana shapes are taken too
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Not fair :'( Robert, can you make Pretty Monkey Studio hand over the patent?
- MλTT
Matt: sure, but I charge $400 an hour for playing a lawyer and this will take at least 40 hours of my work and you're still not guaranteed that Pretty Monkey Studio will hand it over. Want to proceed? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what that point is. When did it start on Twitter?
- Lester Greenberg
Robert: Hmmm, put a decimal point after the 4 and I'm in.
- MλTT
I took several months off from friendfeed to concentrate on my facebook presence. Now that I'm back I can't believe all the changes and growth here. 2008 was the year of facebook, 2009 is the year of twitter, could 2010 be the year of friendfeed?
- Jonathan.Rivera
pfff you guys are only after money. just come over to the treehouse, you'll get a tin can fro free, we can play some blackjack and spin the bottle and have a good time without patents, twithits or the likes and you can explain friendfeed to us :D
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Well, when you're saving to buy your first iPhone, money has a big impact on your actions.
- MλTT
you're a social media creature Scoble :)
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Nooooooooo, say it isn't so....
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
So are companies going to take a stand and disallow celebrities to join services and ruin them or should they change the terms to the we won't reject people based on sex, race, or fame.
- Eric Fisher
Eric: friendfeed doesn't need to do that. They just need to make sure that we remain in control of our viewport and that they minimize the kinds of games humans like to play (collecting followers and gaming systems to see if we can move up a list, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, do you think the next "shiny object" will be a mobile one? Not a device, but a mobile service. Something that works great on all platforms, iPhone, Android, Win, Nokia, etc.
- Mike Lewis
I knew it was always just about the latest shiny object! Now I have proof...
- Andrew Deal
Mike... I hope robert says yes.... that is what I always am pushing @cellecast. ... we got 80% more to develop though, and need community help.
- Andrew Deal
What do you think the effect will be on Friendfeed??
- 77Agency
Mike: if something works great on all mobile platforms it isn't actually great. You've got to optimize for each one, at least in today's world.
- Robert Scoble
Just wait til oprah gets here. :)
- Sami Jones
from Nambu
My guess is that Oprah will be #1 on Twitter in a month or two. She has over a million followers in 28 days without really trying. Aplusk may have more but he also has tweeted more than 40x as much. Look out Scoble, Ashton will probably run here once Oprah takes his Twitter crown.
- Garin Kilpatrick
@johnmbaughman the bots can't get me. Why not? Bots don't get "liked" and are easily filtered out.
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Does friendfeed have a bot killing team of people or bots like twitter?
- Jay McCormack
How do you filter them out? I've been simply reading their posts and blocking them if it looks suspicious.
- Giancarlo Caparo
Jay: yes friendfeed does have a bot killing team. It's called me and you. If a bot showed up here, for instance, I could delete its noise making behavior. I could also block it, which would reduce the attack surface it had to latch onto (it would no longer be able to see me). By blocking it it would be removed everywhere, including on search. None of those defenses are available on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
And don't forget reporting spammers to FF proper. That way they're removed from everyone (account deletion) and not just for you (by blocking).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
You don't have to follow the bots on FriendFeed. You can block them and you can avoid seeing nonsense by using saved searches that leverage the community's likes and comments.
- Louis Gray
Do Any Of You People Actually Work? - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"That’s a waste of time. Just have it all come into friendfeed and be done with it! Well, OK, I am fooling around with Facebook tonight."
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I concur. Friendfeed makes social networking MUCH easier.
- MλTT
Some people use technology to earn a living while others use it as a drug to avoid facing reality (The Bell Curve). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Well, I certainly didn't waste my time taking their stupid poll.
- Kevin Gamble
Yes, yes I do. :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
As a fairly new web author (working on my first free ebook), it behooves me greatly to interact with interesting folks online. Not only does it aid in spurring on creative thought, but it's a great way to get instant feedback since the blog isn't vacuuming in folks yet.
- Mark Essel
What about time spent reading blogs.. jeez that's 70-80% of my online time
- Mark Essel
I saw you on facebook chastising Louis too funny. I use the most of my feeds for R&D at work and get my daily news I don't have time to watch TV news (plus as my wife said last night TV news reporters are so inaccurate and stupid: this was in reference to a poll where they were showing results and less then 50% had been counted and reviewed) or read a paper (huh what is that)
- Richard Gallo
I thought this WAS work.
- Jonathan.Rivera
Ha! @tweetexorcist I write all my own Tweets. You can call anytime to check. My phone is +1-425-205-1921
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but does this mean that you will pick up?
- Giancarlo Caparo
Considering the amount of followers you have, was that wise?
- Robert
He will pick up and as far as wise goes, he has done this forever. He says he doesn't have as many calls as you might suspect with all of the followers he has. And I will happily attest that he does his own tweets and always has. Although, just for fun, who do you think would make a good ghost tweeter for him?
- Gregg Morris
Based on reports of spam/marketers using twitter to cull emails, I would think it would be wise to avoid listing your phone number as well. Spam is easy these days, phone spam is still annoying. Unless you are using a service like Google Voice...
- Elliott Klug
Robert: I got one call so far today and I learned a lot from it. My phone number has been on my blog for years and it's rare that I get a bad call.
- Robert Scoble
Elliott: spam phone calls are easy to avoid. They usually have a blocked caller ID.
- Robert Scoble
Giancarlo: you can always call and see if I pick up!
- Robert Scoble
This is why Robert is the best :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
If I'm available I will, if not, I will call back. As long as your CallerID isn't blocked.
- Robert Scoble
I get tons of spam in gmail but I never see it. I don't have any issue posting my email address online.
- Kevin Kuphal
Your voicemail tells us to send you an email :p Why not a FF comment? ;)
- Robert
Robert: good idea, will call you back in a second.
- Robert Scoble
I called from Skype though, let me know when I can try again, I actually wanna ask your opinion on something :)
- Robert
Robert: i'm free now.
- Robert Scoble
Damn mic input
- Robert
Robert: if you just called I couldn't hear you.
- Robert Scoble
Hah!
- Robert Scoble
If there is one thing the collective Voip/sound card industry need to get right, its that kinda shit
- Robert
and with this new Skype, its totally not obvious what imput its using.
- Robert
Thanx for the convo Robert, that was cool
- Robert
I do not have any doubt over Robert scoble.
- ashish
nice one RB these guys don't realise no-one ever phones
- Thomas Power
I really like the openness of putting your number out there for the world to see. While I don't share my cell number with much of anyone, my GoogleVoice number is for all to see. (and linked to the cell) I have yet to get a spam call.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@BlondeByDesign I used my FlipCam to take the video of Sports Illustrated photographer here: http://scobleizer.blip.tv/
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Nice job Robert, he seems like a really top guy.
- Clifford Kennedy
Fantastic job :D *thumbs up*
- Ronald
Hmm @aallan hates how I talk about friendfeed on Twitter. If you hate that about me you can comment here, but only here:
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lol :-)
- Chris Heath
He'll get over it.
- Michael McKean
Yeah, he'll eventually figure out that Twitter is only for spamming other marketers.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not really that interested in Twitter anymore.
- Peter Kruit
Peter: I still use it. Why? To get abused by people who say they are unfollowing. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@pgbkruit and why is that ?
- Asankhaya Sharma
Keep using it Robert, at least until we can give you access to twitscoop v2 ;-)
- twitscoop
See, if they came here, they could abuse you with an unlimited character count!
- Johnny Worthington
So if I can only comment on your twitter post on FF, does that mean if I want to comment on a FF post of yours I can only do it on twitter? *grin*
- Geoffrey McCaleb
The whole point of technology is to make our lives easier. If you can have your cake and eat it too (i.e. get twitter and everything else in one place), why wouldn't you?
- David Bill
Geoffrey: I see all so it doesn't really matter.
- Robert Scoble
Some people are still interesting to follow. But the amount of noise for me is just too much. Besides I like FF a lot more :)
- Peter Kruit
Agreed, The noise level on FF is lesser compared to Twitter... :) I wonder why ?
- Asankhaya Sharma
Peter: I like friendfeed because I can separate people into lists. Guess which list I'm putting @aallan into? :-) That's right, he's an "A lister." Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
lol, using FF comments like reach in a boxing match. Love it
- Mark Essel
Asankhaya: because here there's a much deeper social contract for a whole lot of reasons. Also, there's just as much flow here. But it's easier to pick the news out of the noise. Finally, it groups messages together so that we perceive it as having less noise (imagine if we all tweeted these answers, but you couldn't see the other answers easily -- that's Twitter -- it's not that there's more actual noise there, it's just that it's chaotic and messy).
- Robert Scoble
How does he feel about the real spam that's on twitter?
- Kevin Whalen
Twitter is just becoming a place filled with spam and RTs of aggregated information from other sites with limited interactivity.
- Bob Blunk
Kevin: he probably is one of the spammers and feels his business is threatened if everyone leaves Twitter and goes to friendfeed. It's a lot harder to spam people here for a whole lot of reasons.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Really not. I use Twitter for what it's originally intended for, social interaction between people I actually know.
- Alasdair Allan
Oh, hi Alasdair! I knew you couldn't resist.
- Robert Scoble
By the way Alasdair (this whole item is about his Tweet that I have too much irrelevant friendfeed spam). I just looked at my Tweet stream and don't see much friendfeed spam at all. My Tweet stream is here: http://twitter.com/Scobleizer
- Robert Scoble
I do agree to a certain extent, one of the reasons I joined Pownce was because of threading and lack of text limits (like FF), though twitter has advantages as well....
- Geoffrey McCaleb
You all are too harsh on Twitter. I think Twitter is one of FriendFeed's best features.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce: and friendfeed is one of Twitter's best clients! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Twitter definitely has a spam problem. In the last 2 days alone I've had 6-8 new followers/spammers whose accounts were suspended. They all had a random year at the end of their username. Just trying to game twitter.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Kevin: and it's getting worse.
- Robert Scoble
I honestly don't mind it. Especially that the huge amount of people that have newly subscribed to me are people who follow me on Twitter. It could be the next big thing
- Geoff Farinha
It's not just the spammers. There are the people who start off interesting and turn into spam machines. I've unfollowed a few of those. And I wish they could do something about the bots that look for keywords and follow or send @ spam based on keywords. THAT is noise.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Someone should come up with a way to filter twitter better, so that you only can see what you are interested in.
- Asgeir
Asgeir: that's what I use friendfeed for. Have you tried saved searches? Here's all items that get a like. That's a search you can't do on Twitter yet. http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Tried really hard to resist. It's not as if I don't follow you on FriendFeed where your stuff makes sense. I just think FF and Twitter are (at least now perhaps they weren't at the start) aimed at different demographics. The same way that my social graph on Facebook really doesn't overlap my Twitter social graph by that much... and I use all three for very different reasons and to talk to different people.
- Alasdair Allan
Asgeir: here's a Twitter filter. All tweets with one like or more. http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Alasdair: you should have tweeted then "I'm unfollowing Scobleizer here on Twitter cause he makes more sense on friendfeed." Personally I agree. I'm noticing the early adopter types that used Twitter three years ago are moving in droves to friendfeed. It'll be interesting to see if everyone else moves too. My experience is they will.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Possibly more accurate, but I didn't really think about it that way till later. But I don't think it's an issue about moving to FriendFeed over Twitter and Facebook. I think they serve very different audiences. I don't think FriendFeed will be _useful_ for the majority of people. I certainly don't have time to wade through FriendFeed's river. Twitter is a quiet stream by comparison... so long as you don't auto-follow there isn't any spam either. Auto-follow was a daft idea, or a dated idea at least.
- Alasdair Allan
I hate you're talking about Twitter on FriendFeed! ;)
- Meryn Stol
Meryn: It's all very self-referential isn't it... :(
- Alasdair Allan
Alasdair: I totally disagree. The search is what will get the average everyday person over here. Remember, three years ago everyone told me Twitter wasn't going to be useful to the everyday person either. Oh, and same thing here. If you turn off friend of a friend friendfeed's river is the same as Twitter's is, except that we have threading here. Oh, and if someone turns noisy you can separate them out into a list. Oh, and you can search and find good items here. I could go on.
- Robert Scoble
Alasdair, FriendFeed's river rises and ebbs depending on whom you subscribe to. I have a FF account for my family's email list that's set up to send weekly summaries. That's how my parents' generation keeps up with the grandkids week to week. Guess what? Friendfeed allows you to have an account that isn't subscribed to @scobleizer.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
*boggles at accounts not sub'd to Scoble*
- Mark Essel
Mark: there are a few out there! Heheh. Most of them speak Farsi.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: We'll see. I just think the FF interface is too damn complicated for the average-person-in-the-street. Too many options, too much control. Heck, I'm getting complaints from non-techie friends that they're now walking away from Facebook because it's become too complicated. Too much fluff around what used to be a simple interface for a simple job, keeping up with what your friends are doing.
- Alasdair Allan
I think that is isolated Adasdair Allan. Sites like Amazon have done so well in part because they cram so much information onto one page. People like that, whether they admit it or not. Facebook has my sister and all her non techy friends absolutely hooked. Facebook has become the internet for them. Complexity isn't a problem even for non techies when you present a simple top layer that...
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- tech pops
Alasdair, if they want a service focused on doings, I made http://ourdoings.com/ for exactly that purpose. At the same time, I don't think FriendFeed is especially complicated for what it does.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
As far as Roberts Twitter feed goes, I find it incredibly useful. He's putting in the work to get the interesting stuff so I don't have to. If you take issue with that, go find the information yourself I say.
- tech pops
Ok I'm convinced.. I am making FF my home... moving as we speak :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
It's a shame you feel the need to restrict the conversation, Robert.
- Chris Nixon
I think Twitter is a perfect place to make announcements of discussions or posts on any other service, including FriendFeed. In fact, I think that's about all Twitter is good for, it's certainly lost most of its value as a conversational tool (at least for me).
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris Nixon, how is he restricting the conversation?
- Chris Heath
Rob, you're saying that Twitter is only good as a broadcast network, right?
- Chris Heath
Chris, I think that's what Rob is saying. If that is indeed what he is saying, I agree with him. I resurected my Twitter account yesterday for the express purpose of letting a FriendFeed contact know that he hadn't noticed that I was commenting on his Tweets over here.
- Andy Kruger
Follow up to my last comment: ... and I think my @ to him got lost in the spam flood on Twitter.
- Andy Kruger
doesnt matter to me robert
- (jeff)isageek
It used to slighltly irk me months ago when Robert would constantly be talking up FriendFeed while on Twitter but I'm must admit that he was right in the end. I'm here more than Twitter now and I'm very proud of FriendFeed for getting so many things right.
- James
Andy: yeah I've done that before... found someone's twitter username via their friendfeed account then at-replied them on twitter to get their attention...
- Chris Heath
I think you can talk about anything you want on twitter or anywhere. I used to think it funny that all your posts linked to friendfeed but hen I joined ff,, I go to twitter more but my posts, videos etc are posted here too and my feed items like blog, youtube get posted from here to twitter. I think you are ok Robert :o)
- David Gross
I hadn't noticed ff until I saw the links in your tweets, and didn't understand it until I watched the 'intro' videos you made. It made me aware of the push/pull mentality that is key to managing the social web. Thanks Robert.
- Justin Hopkins
from twhirl
Chris & Andy: Yes that's precisely what I'm saying. The explosion in the follower game is what makes me say this. The majority of the people I know use twitter just for spreading around links at this point, and meaningful conversation is at a minimum. I can count the conversationists among those I follow on my fingers. On the other hand, nearly every tweet contains a link. Not all the...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Did not realize how much you can do with search in Friendfeed, tanks for the tip
- Asgeir
@ Chris Heath: I think that Robert is restricting the conversation by saying that it has to take place only on FriendFeed, when the internet is alive with places to have a conversation. It seems an old fashioned idea to restrict to one platform.
- Chris Nixon
So what's the timeline for FriendFeed to jump the same shark Twitter has in terms of it's dominant user personality? In any case, end user client tools arguments are often fundamentally religious arguments: sure, I could do "super search for stuff" on FooTool, but I like BarTool better for consuming data, so I'll stick with that. Hence, having interesting content, and easier abilities to link, consume, and mashup content between systems, is still what's interesting to me.
- Shane Curcuru
@Chris Nixon: I don't think that's what robert was saying... i don't really get how he's restricting conversation? isn't twitter the ones who are restricting conversations with their 140 character limit and unthreaded comments (here we at least get one thread)
- Chris Heath
I'm not being specific to Twitter. Twitter, again, is only one of many places this conversation can be held over. Robert has asked it to be restricted to FF. This is a good platform for conversation, but it has a low number of users. He is obviously trying to drive traffic here, but why does he feel the need to do that when the options are vast?
- Chris Nixon
because the options aren't better?
- Chris Heath
Ach each to their own. There are lots of places on the internet I like to have conversations. Blogs, Twitter, FriendFeed, Tumblr, 12Seconds, Facebook, Audioboo, Seesmic. They all have their place in my eyes. If you only want to converse here, that's cool.
- Chris Nixon
Nope, I learn something every time. The discussions are always lively (if in FF) and informative. As a general rule I like other peoples' perspectives.
- jcunwired
Chris, I totally get what you're saying, and you're right that there are other places to have a conversation online and I (and i'm pretty sure robert too) don't only want to converse here... but twitter has become the defacto place for public discourse online - kind of like a lobby in a hotel, a public park, or the sidewalk of a city street. Blogs are like our front porches; they're on...
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- Chris Heath
sorry about the length, and i hope my analogy/comparison made sense
- Chris Heath
Um...don't you think that Robert is perfectly well within his rights to ask that if people would like to discuss something with him, that they do so where he IS? Robert is not necessarily conversing all over the internet, from what I can tell he's mostly conversing here. If he were to demand that you all have your personal conversations here so that he could join in I could see the...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
7 Totally Unique Flickr Search Tools - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Just the thing I need to speed up my photo research!
- Victor Panlilio
My first Flickr video -- taking off from Half Moon Bay airport - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Make sure you set the video to "HD" quality. I shot this with my Canon 5D Mark II camera with Thomas Hawk's 14mm F2.8 lens. There's a spec of dirt on it, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
I have another video from dreammachines09 where we fly over the cars here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
You can see Mike Doeff's video of the day (including the plane we rode in) here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Nice video, bet it was fun to fly in a vintage aircraft.
- JimmyJet
Jimmy: it was a blast. Especially since they took us around the airport twice, each time dipping low toward the runway and then taking us up suddenly, which shoved us deep into our seats. Then the pilot pushed the stick foward and we flew off our seats, temporarily weightless. What a roller coaster!
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm seriously jealous. I'm a roller coaster enthusiast and would have loved this. Be sure and invite me next time you guys go on an adventure ;)
- Erica OGrady
[SkyGrid] Business Wire: "Linden Lab Ushers in New Era of Second Life with Initiative to Customize The Experien..." http://www.businesswire.com/portal...
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I think the technology isn't sophisticated enough for SL to be widely adopted.
- Michelle McCormack
Envious of [SkyGrid]. Hoping their competitor First Rain decides to open up and do a better job.
- Dominic Jones
..second life is dead, long life @ SecondLife.. I dunno if are filters the problem of slife.. I think they have to focus on different target of client and products.
- CantorJF
Request SKYGRID INVITE ASAP PLEASE...THANKS
- OLDBEACHBUM
SL not Dead, but was at Fed VW Expo yesterday taking in VW-3D offerings from Qwaq, Mirror Worlds, Vastpark, 3DXplorer, Forterra, Active Worlds Protosphere, Venue Network, Nexus, and SL was there too. A lot of choice and differentiation(from SL) in this space.
- JimmyJet
Haven't used SL in more than a year, but based on my experience I would probably have to agree w/ Michelle. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed toying around in it, but I just can't see it growing beyond its already established niche. For business customer service Twitter is more convenient and for business meetings generally video conferencing is best. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's my 2 cents.
- Jeffrey Marsh
and btw Robert I really appreciate the heads up you gave on SkyGrid...been toying around with it for a couple hours now and I think it will prove to be very useful for my work/home purposes...looking forward to putting it thru the wringer over the next couple days while the market is open...thanks!
- Jeffrey Marsh
SkyGrid -- Real Time News http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
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Are you giving live updates here or just via video?
- coldbrew
Only video, he's recording live so he can't chat. but he does read from time to time the kyte chat
- Alejandro
Looks interesting. How can I get an account for SkyGrid?
- Peter
looks good but only 2 invites for the scoblizer?!?!? fail! ;-)
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
looks interesting, will be good to give it a closer look
- Peter Efland
only 2?
- americanm
2? wow... *goes to eat dinner*
- Bwana ☠
I'm waiting impatiently to find out how to sign up for an account.
- Russ Jackson
Looks interesting.
- Nicholas James
Console support? PS3 or Wii browsers?
- Bwana ☠
I can't play with it 'cos theres no signup. After all the teasing, that's a little disappointing.
- Steve Lacey
What's even more annoying is there's nothing on their site to indicate it's a private beta. Lots of "why you should join" messages and a sign in, but nowhere to signup.
- Steve Lacey
I agree the site is deceiving. :(
- Russ Jackson
More invites please!
- Steve
Agree, need invites!
- Dominic Jones
Looks like a cool product. Don't know that I'm as psyched as Scoble but it looks worth checking out.
- Brandon Titus
What is SkyGrid's approach to dealing with false/fraudulent information being sucked into the service? We kept asking that on the kyte chat but it never got addressed.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I am twisting Kevin's arm right now! Who should get an invite? (I have two so far).
- Robert Scoble
Me?
- Michael McKean
Me?
- Amit Nangare
My news-junkie wife needs it.
- Bruce Lewis
Probably not me; I'm interested but I'd probably not be able to put it to as much good use as some other people here.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I'll trade my top secret alpha invite to SkyNet for your SkyGrid invite.
- Jerry Schuman
So how can I get invited to this? I'm looking forward to trying it out now.
- Dane Deasy
I should get an invite. Media management student in Chicago, moving to Berkeley this summer to continue my education.
- Daniel Zarick
same question as @Chris Charabaruk :3 wondering about false or malicious or misleading information getting on site
- Kim Landwehr
@Steve, he said their new site will be up later today. On the About Us page look for a sign up request dealie.
- Sprague D
Please!
- Dominic Jones
Will the beta invites be available world wide? or US only?
- Roy Herrod
Have him give out like 20 invites and you could invite everyone in this thread! What can twenty more users do?
- Brandon Titus
they could each invite 2 more
- Jonathan
Add me to the invite list please. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Well if they give each user invites then it probably doesn't matter who you invite, we'll just pass them around. Somehow I doubt they will though.
- Brandon Titus
Techcrunch post is up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... Looks like you are given invites according to Mike.
- Brandon Titus
What type of ads will be displayed? Text, static, banner, flash?
- Jonathan Callahan
Brandon: Thanks for TechCrunch link. My internet is sucking so much right now I can't check out Scoble's video and I'm intrigued by this service.
- Jalada
Is Kevin on FriendFeed (yet)? If not, you should get him to sign up, Robert, so he can participate in this discussion, too.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Jonathan: Looks like text in the Techcrunch screenshot. The space is big enough for flash or banner styles.
- Brandon Titus
no way to sign up for future invites? but more importantly NO MESSAGE explaining that you have to be invited in on the site. EPIC FAIL. Even if I accept the invite premise, it should STILL be communicated on the front page somewhere.
- Duncan Riley
signup link now live - http://www.skygrid.com/account...
- Roy Herrod
Scoble beat Arrington with video. Score!
- Sprague D
Sweet! Thanks Roy.
- Brandon Titus
The new Skygrid site is up...damn Roy just beat me :)
- Patrick Ainge
Wow. [EDIT: I thought there was going to be a lynching]
- coldbrew
Robert, it would be interesting to know how many requests they got in the first hour following your video and TechCrunch's post. Can you follow up with Kevin and let us know?
- Sprague D
I like that Rackspace shirt he's got in the video.
- Brandon Titus
The team blog is password protected?
- Brian Newman
Saw that too. It appears they weren't 100% ready for the FriendFeed crowd :P
- Brandon Titus
signup is delayed, and blog is password-protected. . . lame
- Peter Ghosh
Ahh the power of Friendfeed :)
- Russ Jackson
They are just launching, give them a few hours to fix problems. So impatient! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: We're impatient because FriendFeed has spoiled us with real-time. ;)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I believe that Skygrid is suffering from what is commonly referred to as being Scobelized.
- Russ Jackson
Very intrigued by the looks of this and will anxiously be awaiting it's public availability or an invite if I can happen across one somewhere.
- John Spyers
did the about us sign up thing, got an email back thank me for my interest, hopefully by the time I get the invite I will remember what it is for, you should have warned them before hand Robert that they might get inundated with a lot of request, not sure if they were ready
- Kim Landwehr
Blog password protected?? Whatever. Robert, I'd suggest you check a little more closely before you hype something like this. Weak.
- Ken Kennedy
Would love to get an invite when you have a chance
- Eric
Ken: I'll have them fix that later. They are in startup mode and something got messed up. I mess up all the time too.
- Robert Scoble
I'd be interested in an invite once you have more than 2
- Justin Korn
LOL...ok, Robert. So the big news was to watch some video of yours, see the frontpage of a private invite beta, and a password protected blog? *shrug* That's not too "real-time web" impressive, sorry.
- Ken Kennedy
Really interesting, to me, is the role that the quality of writing plays in the overall quality algorithm.
- Kathy Fitch
Ken: I think many of us like the excitement. Even if all of Robert's hyped announcements don't blow your mind, he still has a pretty good track record. It's fun to get excited about "the next big thing." Now that we have lost Apple keynotes and possibly the showmanship of Steve Jobs, I'll take excitement about tech announcements any way that I can get it.
- Chip Ramsey
Chip: How have we lost Apple's keynotes? They will have plenty more, just not as regularly schedule.
- Brandon Titus
Could someone please help me out with an invite. I just got home, and I missed the announcement. DM me here, or at http://twitter.com/michael...
- Michael Fidler
Brandon: I hope you're right. The media events have seemed focused and less prone to wild speculation, which takes away from the whole experience for me. I was underwhelmed by the iPhone 3 software event. For the next announcement, I would guess they are going to try to make streaming video on the new iPhone a huge deal when they could have approved apps for Qik and others many months ago. In contrast, the Pre UI and functionality seems very exciting.
- Chip Ramsey
Hey everyone. Thanks for your interest in SkyGrid! As SkyGrid's member liaison of sorts, I can tell you we’re really focused right now on trying to connect SkyGrid with people who are passionate about business and financial news and information. If that sounds interesting to you please stop by our site and under the 'About Us' section, and submit your email with a few words on what interests you about SkyGrid...I promise you, your requests are being heard and aren't heading into some dark abyss!
- Alex (SkyGrid)
Thanks for the response, Alex. Good to know that are requests aren't going unheard!
- Brandon Titus
I started using SkyGrid yesterday and it has been great so far. I love the content, the features, and the ease of use to this point. Looking forward to continuing to try it out.
- John Spyers
I just got my invite. It only took 3 days after I submitted an account request here: http://www.skygrid.com/account...
- Alexander Grundner
https://tweetbrain.com/home... is a great way to ask questions on Twitter. I use friendferd for that but tweetbrain is optimized for that.
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Thanks for the link Scoble -- was actually looking for something like this!
- Matt Donders
We are going live in two minutes at http://www.kyte.tv/channel...
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oh man, and we're just about to go to the beach. It's hot and beautiful here in Santa Cruz and my three year old is ready. I'll check back when we get back.
- Laura Norvig
cool. caught a few minutes. we're off to the beach. sounds interesting.
- Laura Norvig
Cool, more SkyGrid information, watching the show right now.
- Alexis Bellido
Looking forward to checking it out
- UrbanRise
So how can I get invited to this? I'm looking forward to trying it out now.
- Dane Deasy
The most disgusting idea I've heard lately is:
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That you are only worth something if you have tons of followers.
- Robert Scoble
Getting your self worth from people who follow you is totally shallow and, anyway, out of your control.
- Robert Scoble
Far better way to judge your participation on social networks? What is the quality of the people you are following? Better inputs = better output.
- Robert Scoble
By the way, I heard that someone said this on Oprah yesterday. I'll try to find a clip.
- Robert Scoble
worth? value? all in the twitter/ff area or IN REAL world? that's the most digusting idea (confusing real world/economy with net tweets).
- Nikos Kouremenos
Nikos: it's a disgusting idea in real life AND on social networking!
- Robert Scoble
I think it's funny that there's now tools to help you get more followers. How? By following people who autofollow. Lame.
- Robert Scoble
Why the need to judge at all? To each his own.
- LogEx
Thought only belongs to a select group. Now that's disgusting.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Yeah auto follow sucks. I tried that and then had to unfollow a lot of people. Twitter became noise instead of fun.
- Brian Thompson
Robert: All I meant to say, is since you're a great writer please focus on REAL issues. Keep it up
- Nikos Kouremenos
'number of followers' as metric in social networking is so pre-Web 2.0 - the age of mass media
- Yung-Hui Lim
That computers are a roadblock to development. (so said Mulayam Singh Yadav, an Indian politician).
- अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das
Completely agree. That's asocial media IMO. http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/asocial...
- AJ Kohn
Brian: I have a how-to video that shows how I read Tweets here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Brian: in the video I show how you can use Twitter and friendfeed together to get past the noise. The noise is actually fun, if you know how to surf it. Even last night I was ahead of all the tech bloggers in knowing that Obama had picked a new CTO because of this system.
- Robert Scoble
Always thought auto follow was lame, why would I want to follow a bunch of people that say nothing that interest me just to build up numbers, but then I was never very good at popularity thing in high school either.
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: I agree, but I needed to be able to get DMs from everyone and Twitter's DM system requires I follow everyone. Friendfeed's system, where I can follow you and then follow other people more closely by putting them in lists is FAR superior.
- Robert Scoble
Teabagging.
- innesm
donating only if you win a competition is kinda up there... ;)
- Krikit Media
agreed Krikit :) .. why not just donate in the beginning and still have the competion for funs sake
- Kashif Khan
there´s one interesting thing in online vs. offline: we know from neuroscience, that listening to people we hardly know is processed by our brain as fiction. what much better related people (friends, family) tell us is processed like non-fiction, taken for real and saved deeper in the brain. so auto-followers and filter-junkies won´t "listen" even if they seem to technically do. but online there´s some relevance in being linked with the more the better. so far about value of quantity...
- esther ♥ ♫
precisely, Kashif :)
- Krikit Media
The idea that your only value is in the numbers, is a value system many people subscribe to. I can see where there may be value, as in the case of an analyst trying to gain some understanding of something, or for businesses where they need the information from many. But Robert, you made a REALLY great point in our discussion when you said, for example, Nielson ratings only need 1000 different tv watchers from across the country to get a good mix of the masses. After the first 1000, what is the point?
- Sheryl
Reference to the above question I posted: http://stardustglobalventures.com/2009...
- Sheryl
Scoble: Thanks for the info. I watched the video and that helped. I guess one has to pay attention to both streams though as tweets from people I follow that don't have friendfeed won't show up in my stream here.
- Brian Thompson
The most disgusting idea I've heard lately is that a famous a-list blogger is doing something mysterious with some yet to be named internet "fanatics" in "building 43"... Secretive and funded by a big company, it sounds very industrial age to me ...we are way past that at this point, we are even past the information age.
- Tweet Feeds
So let's just hide the follower count. Job done! Now everyone is equal and you live and die by your content...
- Bob Walder
from BuddyFeed
You obviously never had to worry about ratings. The number of people "following" my shows has been the ONLY thing that has mattered for 30 years. I'm not so sure it's such a bad metric.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, I'm beginning to agree with you there. Engagement is important, but first impression comes from that list of people following you. However, with it being so easy to gain followers on Twitter (by gaming it), do follows mean as much on Twitter as they mean elsewhere?
- Jesse Stay
Whether or not it's a good or bad metric surely depends on one's goals. It's not an inherently valuable metric, though, and what's strange is that so often folks do treat it like one. Last year when Plurk was taking off, I spent lots of time playing there. "Karma" rapidly became the obsession. Interesting, because just gaining followers isn't the only thing that drives that number up, but still too bad that it became the sole driver for so many--the cynosure of their every move.
- Kathy Fitch
It's a mistake to think that a new medium that is as flexible as twitter won't model what happens in other mediums.
- Ryan Massie
You're telling me that when you speak it's inherently irrelevant if anyone is listening? You can't have engagement without an audience. But obviously the numbers on Twitter are now irrelevant. It's as if the Nielsen company decided to "adjust" the ratings based on their own opinion of a show's merit.
- Leo Laporte
The idea that being the focus of many increases a person's worth is very, very old. It won't disappear, any more than any other form of vanity will disappear. Saying that you only follow or are followed by a certain type of person is just as vain, and just as legitimate an aspiration. It's not a bad thing, though I can see how having the Nouveau Tweets come along would be annoying to those who've been around for awhile.
- jojo, adventurer
The difference between Leo Laporte's view of "audience" versus Robert Scoble's view of his network in real life and online punctuates the difference between old and new media. An audience is a passive thing that "responds" to you and a network is something you "participate" in where there's give and take. Just because Laporte uses new media tools doesn't make him new media. Seems he just revealed here that he isn't.
- Debi Jones
Leo: followers get you and me paid but if that is how we get our self worth (I know in your case it is not) then that is a sad life indeed. Oh, by the way, I blogged when I only had two readers. You don't need a large audience to give a speech. I give speeches to my sons all the time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Debi: Leo gets paid by having lots of people listening. My paycheck relies on that too. But my self worth does not rely on it and I would still do this whether or not I was paid. (In last downturn I did it while not getting paid).
- Robert Scoble
I'm tempted to do a demo that I can hit a million followers with little to no effort, just to show why it's so flawed. It's really easy on Twitter - followers mean absolutely nothing there.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
1 million is old and busted . We need a new number ;) . Worth of a person != net worth of a person
- Kashif Khan
Whether or not "anyone" is listening is quite a different thing than "more is always better." If we're talking a mostly one-way broadcast that is one's livelihood, then, sure, more is always better for your income. If it's a workshop or a studio atmosphere we're after, then "that's *way* too many!" becomes a real possibility. True, even, of performances--certainly from the audience perspective.
- Kathy Fitch
Absolutely. Quality of audience is as important as quantity, especially in situations where interaction and conversation is important. Even our advertisers care as much about _who_ is listening as how many. That's how we compete with much larger media outlets.
- Leo Laporte
It only takes days now to reach 10s of thousands...shouldn't take long jesse - overall the numbers on twitter are useless and meaningless
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I have a quote on my monitor that says: "_______________ healthy, and numerically strong." Fill in the blank with whatever, but it says the same - numbers don't tell the whole story.
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
It's much more important to me who is listening, and what they have to say in response. It doesn't matter if the whole planet heard it if they weren't listening.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, good point. "Listening" really is quite a different thing than "hearing." In some settings--where exchange is key, or teaching is the goal, or a sense of intimacy is important, for instance--smaller audiences (per performance, at least, if not overall) actually increase the chances that everyone will come away feeling that the experience was a success.
- Kathy Fitch
The way I know that people are truly listening, is by whether or not, and how, they respond...If I don't get thoughtful responses, I know I have not delivered my message. I do the same for others. This is how we become successful together
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'd rather have an incremental increase of followers as opposed to a large amount at once, and I'd prefer followers I can talk with, joke with, discuss with or learn from. It's still down to the quality of the followers you have, not the number. And really, if all your followers aren't listening, then it's not worth having so many.
- George Hall (Australia)
that brands could 'takeover' social media!? Ha, people move away from each successive over application of traditional advertising in this world.
- Kemp Edmonds
Wealthy, B-list celebrities saying they will only give cash to a good charitable cause, if enough people follow them on twitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Jim Connolly
Robert I get that audience is important if you want to attract advertisers in one current model. However, if you look the end results of Twit.tv and what you do, there is a very noticeable distinction. Leo Laporte broadcasts and his audience has conversations in chat rooms while he is broadcasting. That not very different than what CNN or other old media outlets do. I'm just pointing that out. - As for your point about self worth, that really feels more like a strawman. There are other angles to consider.
- Debi Jones
Can you monetize a large enough audience - yes. Are your contributions or interactions in social networks somehow lacking value because your audience isn't large? Of course not. One question to ask is how big does your network need to be for it to be responsive and help you get things done?
- Debi Jones
How we realize the benefits of online social networks where we can increase the number of our "weak ties" or acquaintances? The foundational study "The Strength of Weak Ties" by Mark Granovetter http://is.gd/i1s2
- Debi Jones
Money Quote from Strength of Weak Ties: "It follows, then, that individuals with few weak ties will be deprived of information from distant parts of the social system and will be confined to the provincial news and views of their close friends. This deprivation will not only insulate them from the latest ideas and fashions but may put them in a disadvantaged position in the labor market..."
- Debi Jones
Debi - I don't think the size of the network need be very large to get things done. It just has to reach the right people. If you don't know who those people are, the numbers can help you find them. I can use the size of my own network as an example. As I decide what I want to get done, I find no difficulty reaching the people I need to. And at the size of my network, I don't miss opportunities to listent that I might with a larger, more blanketing network.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
(which is not to say that I'm arguing with you) :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I like seeing my numbers go up, but really, I'm here to provide value for myself first of all. If others gain value from it too, all the better. But really, I'm here to keep tabs on all you guys and learn from you, and pass on what I learn in case there's anyone out there interested enough to hear it again from me.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
My opinion is, if you don't want to hear it from me, that's your loss, not mine. I can still see what you have to say, so I'm not losing anything by you not following me.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Then there's this article from The Economist with commissioned data analysis from Facebook's Data Team. Primates on Facebook - http://www.economist.com/science...
- Debi Jones
And the detailed analysis directly from Facebook's Data Team. http://overstated.net/2009... - Maintained Relationships. The network diagram clearly illustrates The Strength of Weak Ties where light lines connect two clumps of conections under All Friends - http://overstated.net/wp...
- Debi Jones
I know these kinds of people Robert I see them in public on a daily basis.
- James Robertson
I change mine to "a discussion wherein lots of people just confidently say aphoristic sounding statements".
- innesm
See more YouTube breakbeat mashups http://thru-you.com/#/videos/
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he is extremely talented...
- Adam Singer
you can also check out http://www.thru-you.org - an annotated mirror site (made by yours truly)
- Niv
It's fascinating to watch the credited videos. Kutiman must have spent lots of time trying to get just the right words/notes/video.
- CAJ, somewhere else
I love this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch.... He improved a lot the original song. IMO, the girl is very lucky to be feature in such a nice mashup.
- Jérôme Flipo
That is amazing. Like Ableton Live for YouTube....
- David Henderson
Why Dominos video response at http://www.youtube.com/watch... is going to be textbook:
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1. They did it in video. THAT is the way to respond. Not text. Video says MUCH MORE than text can.
- Robert Scoble
2. They went overboard with the response. They closed down the store and "sanitized it."
- Robert Scoble
3. The CEO did it and repeated that nothing is more important that our trust. He demonstrated he understood the issue.
- Robert Scoble
4. He thanked influencers for helping Dominos understand the issue and making sure that others knew about it.
- Robert Scoble
5. He responded while the issue is still "hot."
- Robert Scoble
6. He responded on YouTube, which is where the crisis started, not on their own video platform.
- Robert Scoble
7. He communicated that there was "immediate" action including arrest warrants, and people getting fired.
- Robert Scoble
Impressive.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
He didn't look straight into the camera, however - as pointed out by Steve Garfield.
- l0ckergn0me
8. He knows that the real problem is that they hired idiots and are "reexamining" all hiring practices. THAT is the best way to make sure you get a good brand.
- Robert Scoble
9. He used personal language "it sickens me." Not marketing speak.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting mix of being apologetic and totally pissed at the same time. Overall thumbs up from me.
- Mike Doeff
10. He is working to "regain our trust."
- Robert Scoble
Is there anything else he could have done to answer this crisis?
- Robert Scoble
He didn't offer us a coupon to make us feel better. I didn't feel condescended to.
- Kevin Fox
Good lead, Robert. Glad to see discussion around the response.
- Valeria Maltoni
Now if he could just work on making the pizza not taste so bad.
- Dave Roth
now is the best time to go to Domino's in Conover. clean as a whistle.
- nesman89
Fantastic job, I thought.
- Matthew Freeman
Ok, so how bout some back ground?
- Matthew DeVries
I don't mind that he didn't look straight into the camera. That shows he isn't "slick" or "overcoached."
- Robert Scoble
Yes, it would have been better if he had looked into the camera, but given that a teleprompter is an expensive item, and rigging a two-way mirror with a magnified view of a printed script is a hassle... I think the minor shortfall can be forgiven. All seven of Robert's points remain absolutely valid.
- David Muir
Matthew: Here's the background: http://beta.friendfeed.com/thomash...
- Robert Scoble
Textbook is the best way to go. Swift and done. Now in time, people will forget, crave cheap, fast, and delivered food, and it's over.
- Mike Lewis
Very well handled. I agree with you, Robert, this will make its way into textbooks alongside Tylenol's response to the poisoning crisis three decades ago.
- Stephen Mack
Matthew: I already posted a link to the background. http://beta.friendfeed.com/thomash...
- Robert Scoble
Or here if you wanna go straight to the source: http://consumerist.com/5210648...
- Stephen Mack
They just taught a lot of clueless PR people how to handle a crisis like this. Well done.
- Inside Alaska
I think theyve been handling this like pros from the getgo. Good job
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Pretty slick. Many can learn from it.
- Katie Dob
The woman is also a registered sex offender apparently: http://ncfindoffender.com/details...
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
so far this year, that's, what, rats in the peanuts, perchlorate in the babby formula, prescription drugs in the drinking water, snot in the pizza... what was safe to ingest again?
- Karim
Bravo, Dominos. Nicely done. Speak up or be spoken for.
- kevin j higgins
But he's using a teleprompter. He's evil.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
tehKenny: I don't think he was. I bet that he was looking at some notes, though. It didn't come across like he was reading. For someone not experienced with a teleprompter you can not use one and not come across like you're reading.
- Robert Scoble
Their response was appropriate and in a timely manner which is key now.
- Christi
Anyone who has ever used a teleprompter realizes how hard it is to use one and how hard it is to look natural doing it. I bet he had someone off to the side of the camera he was talking to who was holding notes up to remind him what to talk.
- Robert Scoble
I wasn't there, obviously, but watching the CEO look off-camera yet speak as if to a person made me think he was looking at a person to stay "real" and "personable" and not canned or offering a performance.
- Bloom Seed
It's just pizza
- Ari Braginsky
Carmen: "W" had a LOT of media training and a team of people to tell him how to do it. I doubt this CEO has had much media training.
- Robert Scoble
rewatching it makes it clear that he's reading notes (his focus starts at top, moves down as recording proceeds). Still, though, comes across as a real person. Not everything needs professional actors, producers, makeup, sets...imperfect may be the new perfect, as far as communicating genuineness.
- Bloom Seed
Comes across as very heart-felt, and almost makes me want to order with them (I'm not sure we have them here in this town)! Shouldn't they have added something like "We'll now be installing cams in all our kitchens streaming direct to Ustream, making us the ONLY food delivery you can trust to not mess your food"? :)
- Philipp Lenssen
Philipp: well, that would certainly be cool but would be way beyond something they could deliver on in two days.
- Robert Scoble
I mean, I'm not a big fan of Dominos, but this helps them establish themselves as giving a crap. Good PR move.
- Mike Nayyar
Great video response straight from the company president. As for watching food getting prepared, the Papa John's locations that I've been to are open and you can basically see them making your pie. Not sure if Domino's has stores like that...
- Doug
Carmen, it's the "polished" vs "timely" tug of war: http://fftogo.com/e...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
solid performance-- came across naturally and believable, blend of professionalism and good ole fashion ass-kicking anger. It was smooth but not overly slick; no suit or tie and shot in store surrounding. Content was solid too, assuring customers everything that could be done was being done. One minor tweak: he doesn't appear to be looking directly at the camera.
- mark ivey
I wonder if they thought about making it a response to "that video" on youtube to get the eyeballs needed to make this count..
- Tom Masiero
Ari - it's more than "just pizza" - it's the livelihood of 125k employees. We are focused here on a textbook response, but this is also a clear demonstration of the power of leverage that SM holds: two idiots can do major damage to the brand, the company, and by ultimately to the employees. Hat's off to Mr. Doyle and his advisers.
- Bill Sanders
good response for sure, way to go
- sean percival
Rewatched it and yes he is reading it. Regardless, I think it was handled pretty appropriately.
- Jay Neff
good job. small nit: next time they need to move the teleprompter (or cue cards) either over or under the camera.
- MikeAmundsen
Video is good if Good Messenger (which Domino's guy IS) But also put the incident on my radar screen, which hitherto I was unaware of.
- JimmyJet
Wasn't aware of the incident but sure feel bad for the independent operator..
- MiaD
The woman in the Wendy's chili fraud case ended up sentenced to 9 years in prison and her husband (who bought the finger off a co-worker who lost it in an industrial accident) got 12 years. http://www.bluemaumau.org/wendys_...
- Kevin Fox
I wish that he was looking at the camera instead of a telepromter. Just sayin.
- Andrew Baron
Andrew: he's not looking at a teleprompter. I bet someone is holding a notepad with an outline on it for him.
- Robert Scoble
I haven't had Domino's in a long time. But, I'm happy to see that they put up this Video response to the malicious destruction of their Brand and business practices.
- rob friedman
good job. that was a classy way to 'avoid the noid.'
- grant fox
Hey Robert, can I use some of your reasons in a blog post in writing up about the Domino's issue?
- Kenneth
Kenneth: yes, feel free!
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert!
- Kenneth
"Everyone else is doing it right." Yeah, right. [What are the odds of that?]
- Craig Brownell
I kept hoping he'd actually look into the camera.
- James Miao
I agree with James. I was hoping that he would look at the camera like he's talking to his customers. I get that he needs to make sure he says exactly what needs to to said, but the way he kept looking away from the camera made it seem a little "stiff".
- Kenneth
like when dirk diggler looked into the camera during his documentary. that was powerful stuff.
- grant fox
Kenneth: that's a mistake someone who isn't media trained makes. I actually don't mind that because it makes it less slick.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is that they're multiple cameras and he's looking at the expensive one
- Bwana ☠
Robert: Really? If corporate heads are on camera, they should NOT look at the camera especially if they're not being interviewed? It looks natural not to look at the camera? You're definitely right...I'm not media trained. :) Looks like he was reading off of a script and didn't notice a camera at him.
- Kenneth
Who was he talking to? The sound guy holding the microphone to the right of the camera?
- Diego Barros
Kenneth: the only time you should look at the camera is when you want to speak directly to the viewer. You are right that he should have been speaking directly into the camera. Knowing where to look is part of media training. A good PR team could have helped (IE, one that had worked a lot with video before) but I can't really blame him. I still have trouble figuring this out. When I was on the BBC it was very difficult to look into the camera (it was aplate on the wall).
- Robert Scoble
i just have to say, that by him not looking in the camera, or really doing any of this before it seems adds to his character that he's a regular guy, not some PR trained monkey doing a dance for us.
- rob friedman
I dunno, I think it's more important that the response seem unrehearsed. I'll bet he did it in one take.
- Ken Morley
Well done Robert: not a surprise to see this crew recognizes excellence when they see it. Dominos did virtually everything right on this aspect of its response. having seen a few crises, this example is among the best. blogged it here: http://www.mediadeluge.com/post...
- Christian Anderson
Just to let folks know: the teleprompters I am familiar with allow the newscaster or talking head to look directly at the camera AND read the script. The result is like a HUD (heads-up display) for those familiar with video games or jet fighters.
- David Muir
Right David, but there are all kinds of "teleprompters" some low tech and some higher tech. the point is he was reading. It was okay, he did a great job in one take. It would have been better if he hadnt read it and looked directly at the camera, but because everything else was so well done, the reading gets a pass
- Christian Anderson
Not a fan of their pies, but kudos to Dominoes for the forthright reply and apology for the miscreants who brought this upon them. Hope they rebound well from this.
- JA Castillo
Definitely a canned response but still heartfelt and sincere. Plus we learned its a federal felony to stuff cheese up your nose on camera. Imagine what happens at McDonalds on a daily basis - now that's frightening.
- Chris Sparno
Very lucky that they had a CEO that even was willing to talk for YouTube in the moment; let's not now criticize him for his media training, or none will ever have the guts to do it again.
- Francine Hardaway
Rich: This is deadly serious for him. He's right to take it seriously and I'm sure he genuinely does.
- Michael Krigsman
So the real question is, who feels comfortable enough to order Domino's this weekend?
- Chris Bartow
I do Chris, even more-so now than before. This weekend will be the cleanest in the franchise's history :)
- Bwana ☠
@Karim: "snot in the pizza... what was safe to ingest again?" Years ago, I ordered a pizza (not from Domino's) and was surprised to see a piece of broken glass in it — and this particular glass shard had part of the pizza company logo on it! When I phoned them about it, they replaced the pizza in record time; of course, they asked for the broken glass back, too, so I couldn't keep the evidence.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor *shudder* i think i would have just given up eating pizza after that :-D
- Karim
The comments on You Tube are negative I don't agree with them, what is your opinion abut them? (They say Doyle is not sincere)
- Maurizio Goetz
Rule #0 - Youtube comments have the value of a single molecule of feces
- Bwana ☠
+1 Bwana!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
His response was right on and pretty smart for doing it via a video. It's sad but we are at the mercy of people that prepare our food. :-( I kind of feel bad for the kids because what they did shows a complete lack of intelligence. It would be nice if they took responsible and apologized in some sort of public forum.
- John McCullough
@John McCullough "we are at the mercy of people that prepare our food" and people who pilot the planes we fly in, treat our municipal drinking water, etc. I daresay we only appreciate them when things go horribly wrong.
- Victor Panlilio
@Chris White "The founder of Domino's supports Right to LIfe and Operation Rescue, which IMO, is worse than putting farts on sandwiches" Really? Watch the video at http://www.abortionno.org/ and see if you can stomach the idea that we dispose of unwanted human beings so cavalierly.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor, your comment as well as John's above you, reminds me of that line in Fight Club: "We do your laundry, cook your food and serve you dinner. We guard you while you sleep. We drive your ambulances..."
- Aaron Kurtz
@Aaron - almost everything we take for granted in "civilized society" depends on the everyday goodwill (and conscientiousness) of anonymous others. I've always thought that we need to become more mindful of the benefits we daily receive from these enablers of our well-being. Count your blessings, etc.
- Victor Panlilio
Victor, I couldn't agree more.
- Aaron Kurtz
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