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Awesome.
China Internet Rumors, Voyagerfan5761, Daniel Schildt and 128 other people liked this
hahahaha
- MG Siegler
haha
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I've been having fun watching the Facebook employees do that today as well - lol
- Jesse Stay
Is there a group "I Just plain hate Facebook"? I'd like to join.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Scary thing is I think a lot of people are actually taking that group seriously.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Hhahhahaha!!!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
LOL at Mark Zuckerberg joining. That's hilarious.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
laugh out loud.
- Micah Wittman
LOL!! Yes they are, Tony - that makes it so much better. :->
- Kurt Starnes
It's killing me - check it out :-> http://www.facebook.com/search...
- Kurt Starnes
I just love how some people have joined, completely ignoring the description of the group and showing the type of people they really are. I don't *love* the changes, but I will get used to them and someday soon I will not even remember the old way it was done. Change is good... long live change!
- Travis Koger
hahha that is too funny!! :D
- Susan Beebe
Classy!
- Tyson Key
ROFL
- Roberto Bonini
I HATE THE NEW FACEBOOK HOME PAGE, UNTIL ITS NEXT FACELIFT, AFTER WHICH I WILL BITTERLY COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW PERFECT THIS LAYOUT WAS.
- Rebecca Sun
Yes, Rebecca, exactly. :)
- Dan Hsiao
just joined
- johnpiercy
Touché Facebook Employees, Touché.
- Navarr
ahahahaha:D
- beybinesen
Try http://lite.facebook.com/opozo, the simple the better, but not simpler.
- Orlando Pozo
soooo awesome.
JonathanJoseph, Darren Heydon, Cliff Gerrish and Jay Cuthrell liked this
Very clever.
- Jay Cuthrell
After signing the papers :)
Ozer Wrzl (EN), can catalyurek, Pelikan® and 499 other people liked this
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- jcunwired
What's with the fists, Paul? :)
- April Buchheit
congrats Paul
- Zee.
I thought it would make a funny picture April.
- Paul Buchheit
Secret backyard meetings FTW. :)
- EricaJoy
What? No lawyers in suits? Mark's setting a pretty low bar on the dress code for this sort of thing...:)
- Tomas Remotigue
Our lawyers were wearing shorts actually -- no air conditioning at their office on Sundays I guess.
- Paul Buchheit
Zuckerberg's the only one from FB who could be bothered to show up?
- Andy Bakun
American big business such a formal affair
- Robert Higgins
Contrary to popular misconception, lawyers don't actually enjoy wearing suits. Haul us into work on a Sunday, and we'll definitely be dressing comfortably. :)
- Brian Chang
Andy, the person on the left is Vaughan Smith from Facebook. Sanjeev (the fourth FriendFeed founder) is not pictured because he was boarding an airplane.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, that's so awesome. FB's an awesome company to do business with.
- Jesse Stay
Congrats. Happy for you guys.
- Tsega Dinka
Must have been exciting, congrats.
- sean percival
Congrats, and thanks for having us here. Much success in whatever comes next.
- Chris Baskind
Yeah, wishing you guys all the best, its been good fun hanging around here thanks!!
- Mel Buckpitt
Congrats to you guys!
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Congratulations you guys!!!! I love the Teak Conference Room table :)
- Susan Beebe
:-(
- Jim Hearts FF
Hey Paul congratulations - FriendFeed has been leading the way since its inception. Are the photos you've posted copy-protected or could I use them in a story on the deal?
- Mitch
Mitch, feel free to use the photos.
- Paul Buchheit
where's the ...friendfeed shirts then?? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
SWEET!!! Congratulations!
- Chad Lester
...congrats.can't wait to see what happens with both FF and FB as a result of this.
- .LAG liked that
Please try to keep Friendfeed like it was if they let you. Either way, congrats on the financials!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Congrats and best wishes for the future.
- Jeff Stannard
Don't forget: http://www.labnol.org/wp...
- Altan Tanrıverdi
For $50m you could at least have hired a photographer who doesn't shake so much. :)
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
FF was the cutting edge whereas FB is quickly becoming the mainstream. Unfortunately, the mainstream does not necessarily equal innovation and pushing the envelope. We all suffer when innovation is chilled. But on the other hand, congrats to the FF crew. They made their money!
- laosan
Congratulations guys!
- Diego Barros
I think the Tiger suit would have been more appropriate! But hey....shorts in a backyard is pretty cool too.
- Drea Lester
Congrats!
- Christopher Golda
Whatever the outcome, Friendfeed is terrific. Congratulations.
- ashish
LOL, click through if you want to see pics of newly rich geeks in casual wear.. ->
- Alex Schleber
Hahaha! Funny Alex..
- Bill Heslin
congratulations! keep the innovation coming...
- ozlubling
VERY happy for you guys. Possibly even owe you one or two. Are we getting FriendPhone next?? Think Mark should seriously think about 'Friendbook' :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congratulations to you and your team.
- Maria Niles
just showed the pictures to my students and they were like, "they look like normal people!" Congrats on the deal, onward and upward!
- xxx xxxxx
Congratulations, Paul -- to you and everybody at FF.
- Eric Johnson
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the team, this is awesome news! The big question on everyone's lips is: Who gets to have http://facebook.com/paul? :)
- Fenn
Congrats, and thanks for taking us all on such a terrific ride! Big ups. :)
- Pete Delucchi
You've done a great job! You deserve this and more... Congrats!
- Ricardo J. Valle
now this is what a deal term meeting should look like - file under inspirational -
- mediaeater
Congratulations to everyone at FF. Whose house was the deal made?
- seman
I am sad .. !!! I do not know .. why .. for me its not good news
- Nayan
Congratulations!
- Made Adi
*cough cough* Douchebags!
- Mark Wilson
++Mark
- David Cook
Awesome! Congratulations!
- michael silverton
Ouch . . . just a tad bit of salt in the wounds of some of your more loyal users. I've got a poker if you want to inflict a little more pain
- Lindsey is Fierce!
hey, congratus Friendfeed team!!!
- K.D.
+Lindsey
- Kamilah Gill
I call this pic... "Six Happy Dudes & 1,000,000+ Pissed-Off FriendFeeders"
- Brad Williamson
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Looks like Mathew™ has found a UI bug by flooding contiguous characters.
- Jay Cuthrell
I don't get the negativity - did no one realize FriendFeed was a business? The object of a business is to sell eventually (either privately or publicly). We should be celebrating their success. This is a huge win for them, as well as Facebook. I personally think it's a huge win for the "loyal users" as well. So now we stab them in the back when they do something huge?
- Jesse Stay
Not to mention we know *nothing* about what this will mean for both services. These guys haven't let us down yet, have they?
- Jesse Stay
Congratulations to all of you!!
- Steve de Mena
The FB/FF deal rocks. Total win for users and developers.
- Steve Gillmor
My comment is because they can see by the flood of responses people are not happy and this post is just a smidge tacky. People are upset and feel betrayed and they haven't addressed that, not that I expected them too. This is pretty much inline with the way they've handled every other major change but before you only had a handful of disgruntles users whereas this time I'd say the majority are upset.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Facebook announces the acquisition of FriendFeed http://facebookmania.net/en...
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations guys.. and good luck! ;)
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations Paul. I hope for nothing but the best for you and FF.
- Martha
We should start a PhotoShop meme on this.
- Ben Hanten
Millionaire meme
- Bill Heslin
Lindsey, I'm with you completely. Bad timing. Too bad there weren't photos of money being thrown in the air.
- Ben Hanten
++Ben
- David Cook
Congratulations Paul, you should have got more, but I guess $50m is nothing to sneeze at. Have a great wedding anniversary too, I'm sure you both deserve it. Much happiness - :)
- Chris Loft
Congrats! The hard work paid off
- Becca
Those are the kind of business meetings I could get used to - no suits... but selling to Facebook? Hmmm... Good for someone of course but I suppose we'll see where this ride takes us.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
congrats on building an amazing product and incredibly passionate community! I was mad at first, but then realize that the technology was most likely sold, not the community. I'm hoping ff community will stay somewhat untouched and features that have been built into ff will be ported to fb.
- Derek Coatney
Congratulations, FriendFeeders! I'm anxious to see what changes this will bring. FriendFeed is my favorite site to visit, so hopefully y'all will find a way to maintain the FF spirit somehow.
- Keith Pelczarski
No matter the type of big change, there are those who will not like it, often simply because it's change. I for one am very pleased that two of the services I use most are joining forces, and am eager to see the new developments that come of this acquisition. Congrats to EVERYONE on the FriendFeed team. You all deserve it! You've done a great job with a small company. Now lets see what you can do with a large one :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nicely put, guruvan.
- Anne Bouey
What I wonder is ... a 50-million dollar deal and no one has a camera capable of taking a clear photo? :P
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Congratulations
- Steve C
@Jesse Stay re: "the objective of business is to sell eventually" : Ummm, the objective of many businesses is to become profitable by providing a valuable experience to their users. Businesses that feel they can't do that are the ones that sell.
- Shane Gibbons
LOL! ♫ ♫ "ooh, take the money and run"!! ♫ ♫ ;)
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations to everyone involved. Well done.
- Darius Dunlap
This is a very sad day in friend feed history. It is horrible because I like friend feed for how it's different from face book. I use facebook but I find it really annoying and I wouldn't use it if my friends and family weren't using it. So if Friend Feed becomes another facebook then i donno if I will keep coming to friend feed.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
Grats. :)
- Joshua Schnell
Congrats to the FF staff, but you'll have to pardon my lack of exuberance. I have mental pictures of being forced to use the FB UI and it makes me sad =(
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Very happy for the Friendfeed team. These pictures say it all.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Congrats -- may the FF UI stay alive!
- RateBrain
Where are the photos of everyone celebrating? No beer or champagne?
- Shane
Great match-up guys ! The Fabulous Friender Boys ! - Let's see some integrated mashups and extensible apps and FF UI. Given Google and Twitter a run for their money... Looks like they are going to have to "hook-up" now !
- Mike Schmidt
Congratulations Paul and the team! Hopefully we'll still get the same simple UI for FriendFeed. I'm sure however that no matter what you do, things will turn up nicely.
- Ovidiu Predescu
Enjoy!
- Paul Mayne
NOOOOO! I _LOVE_ friendFeed and this will change it forever. Yeah - this will improve Facebook. Great deal guys - I can not wait to see how this works out
- Ric Johnson
Congratulations! :)
- İdris Cin
hayırlı olsun
- Sinan İŞLER
:O :(
- amin.m
congratulations to both parties. intuitively, it feels like the right move.
- ray
Congratulations guys :)
- Yalcin Parmaksiz
So the deal was done at night in someone's back yard. Weird.
- Andy C
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the FF team. Your smiles are priceless!!
- Mohamed J
Hayırlı işler...
- Onur Selek
You're laughing after doing that? Fuck. This sucks so much.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Congratulations gentlemen!
- Mutimba
Congratulations Paul. Yes, I do hope Friendfeed users and community are "treated right".
- Paola Bonomo
Fuck!
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
shit all FF VC's and CO-FOUNDERS! YOU DID THE SHIT! you can safely accept all spam "app" invitations on FB.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet: I'm disappointed to even be on the same service as you and I really can't wait until you leave.
- Robert Scoble
Congrats! Maybe you'll make FB usable again...
- Eran Kampf
from iPhone
cngrtlti.ons I hope you will understand what i mean!
- Atif UNALDI
Great vibe :)
- Sharel
from FriendFeed API Example
@Scobleizer: Come on you're a genius and can not realize future of FF? Turkey was one of important countries which is using FF! They asked no one about this! We hate fcking morons and stupid people on facebook, and I'm sure that this post will be real, just read it: http://ff.im/6pRmM
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
But Ahmed you are still being an ass about it, trying to rain on their good times. Go find a hole under the bridge where you belong. You can be sad and not have to come out all bitchy about stuff. Clear thoughtful comments instead of going all into "fuck you" mode.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
OK, that's great. I hope you can be successful at Facebook Dev Team and enjoy spending that money.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet: I hope this helps with your inquiry -> http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Clifford Kennedy
I think you guys don't have a clue what this means. You#re just handed over to some very suspicious gold digger. It's over for Friendfeed.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
@Clifford, haha LOL.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Bilseydik biz alırdık :)
- Hamdi Yaman
wohoo, lets celebrate that ff owners for selling the land they have hired us - now we have to find another place
- MobilAdam
very nice FF! Amazing team! - @RecruitingDiva
- Sangeeta Narayan
valla kelepire gitmiş, fotoğraflardan belli..
- Mücahit Yılmaz
Who took the pic?
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
@MobilAdam + 1.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Mücahit +1 :D
- Hamdi Yaman
böyle önemli bir iş için fiyat açıklanmadı ama 50 milyon $ deniyor. Bu kadar lakayt bir ortam olur mu yau. Uzaktan baksan gençler eğleniyor dersin
- Fatih Hayrioğlu
Şİmdi yorumları okumadım ama çok kişisel bişi söyleyeceğim. Bu gençlerin milyon dolarları çeviriyor olması durumuna şaşıyorum. Bizim memlekette bu seviyeye gelecek mi veya? Kaç sen uzaktalar bizden bu gençler?
- mustafa can
Bizim şirket sahipleri konunun belli saatler arasında, belli kıyafetlerle ofiste oturmak değil, yapılan işin niteliği olduğunu analdıkları zaman gelir tabii. Ama bence bu gavurların dediği gibi "When the hell freezes over".
- özlem ercan
bu postu türkçe commentlerle doldrmak süper fikir.. sarcasm diil ciddiyim
- MobilAdam
Bakmayın böyle güldüklerine arkada buyuk yatırımcılar olmasa batar gider bunlar..Adamların yatırımcıları işi biliyor...
- Zeki Pehlivan
tebrikler.congratulations.gratuliere !!!
- muratt
Sorry but as an FF user, I've just tried to express my thoughts about this acquisition: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs46...
- İbrahim Özdemir
Congratulations! :)
- Ruben Sanchez
Great result Paul. In such a short time, millions of users, 1 new interface and a marriage with internets' celebrity. This is a period which you should write down to make it as an on-line business case. You people are really wise businessmen. Nice job, congrats! :)
- Olcayto Cengiz
Not happy happy congrats bullshit from me-I used FF.
- frankiecarl
Frankie, a lot of us use FriendFeed and are concerned about where things are going from here. As I said in my comment above: I'm happy for the staff but displeased with who they chose to sell to. I'm perfectly capable of feeling both emotions at the same time.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Tina ++++
- Shevonne
wonderful so normal so ordinary so simple
- Thomas Power
MZ looks like he has just returned from the gym
- Joe Dawson
These guys represent the most talked about entreprises (Ok even more so by geeks in the case of Friendfeed) and they're still in their 20s. We're talking millions of dollars and look how relax they look and casually they're dressed.
- lelapin
Awesome, nice to see they are actually in fact human still.
- Robert Schultz
Congratulations, Paul!
- Bill Sodeman
Great photographs showing the very reason why 99% of all people start their own business - money! Well done and good luck for the future.
- David Jagger
this is so great! congrats paul! im really happy for u guys!
- Jason Pollock
congratulations guys!
- Liam Daly
congratulations from me, too! mind to stay (y)ourselves. ;)
- Valentina*
L-O-V-E the attire, guys. Did you end the evening with a nice barbecue and a dip in the pool?
- Giulia B.
Yeah yeah, you worked hard, you got the payout, well done guys. Now. Down to business....where's OUR share? ;-)
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
"Hi my name is Mark, I do $50m deals in my shorts!"
- Simon May
Congratulations. I'm sad for us and extremely happy for you and your team.
- Arleen Anderson
congratulations...can't wait to see the success of the collaboration!
- Katy Barrilleaux
We better run away!
- Constantine
Congratulations. I'm sure that this acquisition will be beneficial for both parties.
- Volkan Özçelik
the one in the green shirt is hawt. just sayin'.
- Jessie
eew, that causes diseases
- Jim Norris
congrats Paul & evereyone !
- Thomas Mader
Is that Mel sitting on Paul's left? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- j1m
CHA CHING!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
congrats guys - well done!!!
- Gerd Leonhard
supper!
- susuzkuyu
Business is Business and we can only move forward with social-media applications as we herald a new interactive platform. Albeit thanks to the Mothers of all Mothers, Google. Frank Burns
- frank burns
FB buying FF is bad news for FF users.
Youssef EL ABASSI, Yinka, Stanislas Jourdan and 224 other people liked this
Agree totally Dave
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Why do you think so Dave?
- Tim Akinbo
10000% agree, its dreadul and the big boys like Leo and Scoble cant seem to see it!
- Mark
Leo laporte says "This is a big step toward an open Facebook. This has been their goal all along: a distributed Facebook." What a Crock of SHITE
- Mark
They bought the people!
- Mark
yeah... but it is also a smart move, they got the team..
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm trying to give the FF team the benefit of the doubt...but I'm having a hard time with it as well.
- Ken Kennedy
Born to be sold, we were used to say in the new economy era.
- Federico Bolsoman
They bought the people. We Stick with that. FF guys are Smart/fast and have deep Google knowledge
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
Woah. I step away from the computer for a couple hours and this is what happens?
- Travis B. Hartwell
I agree an independent Friendfeed might be preferable for we few brave FF users. But the writing was on the wall. For most users it's Twitter or Facebook or nothing at all. Aligning with Facebook is smart long term thinking if FB is planning to open up as I am convinced they are.
- Leo Laporte
from BuddyFeed
Let's hope that FB doesn't block people from using the 'competeition' while on FF.
- shelter watch
Seems everything's headed for an autumn war Facebook <> Google Wave
- Jordi Soler
At first I like the idea of FF & FB, but now I'm starting to think it's bad for FF
- Ray H
hmm, an open, new version of FB that uses all of what makes FF great would be nice.
- Dusty Edenfield
Leo's got the right idea, and independence is a myth
- Steve Gillmor
Well, how could it possibly be a good thing?
- Fleagle
Agree, I'm not a Facebook fan although I try but.. I'd definitely take FF over FB anyday.
- Sharon Dexter
I prefer a FriendFeed folded into Facebook versus a FriendFeed that quietly fades away, which is the direction this was going.
- Mike Doeff
Totally agree - facebook is so tedious and slow. FF is wonderful.
- Zphotogal
+1 mike
- Riaz Kanani
We imagine FB with the SEO juice of FF, thus intercepting search traffic...
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
I can certainly see the best ideas from FF being folded into FB but not sure what that says about the future of this site and the data it contains
- Keith Harrison
Except for the whole FriendFeed dying slowly in the obscure ghetto of the digirati part. As Mike said, FF in FB is better than no FF at all. FriendFeed users are far better off having it than watching it its gradual anemia grow worse and worse until one day it vanishes.
- Curtis Schweitzer
While this may never happen, consider it a possibility - your entire FB feed now available in FF.
- Tim Akinbo
It is really hard to see how FB will do more than incorporate staff and ideas from FF. FriendFeed's design of being a very open aggregator is very different than FB's walled garden ethic. I also think part of what attracted me to prefer FF over FB is the clean interface, as opposed to FB fire-in-a-bordello presentation style. I hope FB really listens on the UI side and not just on the aggregator side, or works just mines out the staff.
- David Lounsbury
This is a good thing for FF and FB both. This will lead to a more open FB and steal Twitter's thunder.
- Tim
"the writing on the wall?" ... that's just hyperbole, Leo. Paul Buchheit himself said in his interview w/ Scoble that they could have kept the service alive "for years"...there was no financial issue forcing this, like tr.im or something. And while I suppose there are those that believe the most popular site/music/art/people are always the best, I think that's both a shallow way of...
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- Ken Kennedy
Like 4 Ken
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
What I care about most is having a Facebook profile that is *actually* public, viewable by non-users.
- Andrew Roche
I definitely DONT LIKE IT grmphhh !
- laetSgo
@andrew that's one thing FF team is very good at: climbing Google :)
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
DOnt like it either. I'm off to a self hosted http://sweetcron.com/ or wait for a http://kakuteru.com/ invite.
- Mario Valente
One thing that can be said about social communities - its the people who build the product. Had we not given excellent feedback to FriendFeed developers in creating our perfect world FB wouldn't have had an interest. Its our fault. :(
- jcunwired
i'll agree to wait this one out before being totally devastated about Facebook buying FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
Agreed
- Luke Jeffrey Smith
Let's leave "en masse"
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
Motion carried, motion passed.
- Zachary TG
Facebook is banned from my work computer.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Live *open* BadHair podcast in 8 minutes. (347) 843-4661. Call in if you have a comment or question re FB/FF. Starts in 3 minutes.
- Dave Winer
Wait and see ...
- Kate Foy
It means you'll have to share. wahhhhh
- Andrew Smith
I think it is a bad idea. I don't like to use Facebook except for frivolous reasons. FF has been good for reliable information. I suppose I'll stop using it so much now. We'll see.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I want to see where this is going but definitely my favorite social site just got folded into my least favorite.
- Braden Douglass
It depends entirely on what direction FF would have taken next (and what direction it will take Dave). Think most of us that have been around FF since almost the start (when it was a MUCH smaller place) miss that but this actually might be a good thing.
- Charlie Anzman
Agreed if they lose the FF interface.
- Wei-Yen Tan
If we put all our faith into a single platform or a single solution [Twitter/FB/Goog] then we lose touch with people, processes and where history is taking us. In this case, we’re headed more in the direction of where .tel and Identi.ca are stumbling, consciously or not: towards a non-web-centric, permission-based polycephalous set of systems, where discussions and messaging transpire...
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- A Mitchell
Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff. And Google Reader will get more social features including item recommendations through comparing users likes, and so Google will win this. Good time to sell.
- Charbax
Interesting convo we had there dave, thanks for letting us call in and participate.
- Chris Heath
But the real question is who will take over who? Isn't there a possibility that FriendFeed will takeover Facebook! I hope FB make it work as I like the idea of FF but it doesn't have the critical mass of people talking about what I am interested in!
- Phillip Molly Malone
I agree it's probably bad news for FF users.FF has reliable info. I don't want it to become chatter.
- Leigh Marriner
I'll admit to being a recent convert to FF but it was the best social site I have used yet (and I have used them all). I am sorry to see it lose it's independence. This will not end well for FF groupies. But my reading of the tea leaves is that FF options as a standalone service were not good. I guess this is a sign of a maturing market. Can a Larry Ellison acquisition be far behind?
- Michael Liss
simply but clear
- Gioia Feliziani
I agree with Dave's original assertion. I'm struggling to imagine the value Facebook could add to FriendFeed, and I can certainly imagine the downsides. Having an aggregator that sits independently on top of the commercial pile, while fleeting as a free service, is a valuable one.
- Allred
disagree.
- Gus
I have my suspicions too. But Facebook have been wanting to open up more for some time (e.g., they're eliminating regional networks), and I'm guessing they see FF as the key. I'm betting they'll fuse the two services soon. But let's hope they use FF to improve FB. But there's always a big chance FB will ruin FF. Stay tuned...
- Dennis Jernberg
+1 for A Mitchell's insights. If tr.im and FF have taught us anything, it's that no matter how many open api's there are, a closed platform is still a closed platform, and it can disappear overnight. We need a decentralized yet federated way to do all that FF did (and more). If it's not decentralized, we don't have redundancy. if it's not federated, we lose community an conversation.
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
another +1, Don and A Mitchell. I just finished a blog post along almost exactly the same lines, Don...decentralization and federation are both key. Good news is, this is historically how things go...nerds only, then mainstream joins, but centralized (think AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy...services and email that couldn't talk to each other). As the systems mature, then value of decentralization becomes apparent. This week could actually be an important milestone in speeding up that process *here's to hoping...*.
- Ken Kennedy
But Facebook buying friendfeed is great news for the 250+ million fb users! (And most ff users have fb :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
It would have been better (slightly) if they were acquired by Twitter. I'm not a Twitter fan, but I think FF would bring more to twitter, it would be a better fit and the users and the interface would have a better chance at "integration"
- Mario Valente
I've read its good for FF, it's bad for FF. It's better than being sold to google, it's better than being sold to twitter. Myriad variations on a theme, which leads me to conclude we haven't got a clue what the future will bring.
- Mark
FB will better integrate FF than Google or others ever would -- one hopes. let's see what happens and go from there. Good news is that it will generate a ton of news for you peeps to report on.
- Gavin Adams
It's simply time for a distributed story for this type of application. You shouldn't need to rely on any providers who can be down or might be bought.
- Christian Scholz
"Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff." And lock you into yet another platform owned by one company.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian...Wave is a federated, decentralized, (to be) open-sourced solution. It's complicated, but it's at worst an architecture lock-in (ie, it might be hard to move a large corpus of Wave-annotated data out of the Wave infrastructure). Unless Google is pulling a flat-out lying fast one...there won't be any reason why you can't run your "own" instance of Wave and connect to the rest of the Net. So not standard company lock-in.
- Ken Kennedy
Ken, to be honest, I'll believe it when I see companies other than Google taking the code and running an equivalent service. Flat out lying? No, probably not. But "only able to do something useful if you're connected to Google in some way"? Probably.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian, I hear ya, but I've read enough of the technical specs to lay my money on the other side of that bet.
- Ken Kennedy
At least Google is one company that's not likely to turn coat on its social community and sell out.
- jcunwired
Really? I think the old Jaiku community would disagree with you on that. And the people who stored their bookmarks in Google Bookmarks, too.
- Ian Betteridge
why?
- Thomas Power
Sorry - I meant Google Browser Sync rather than Google Bookmarks. One is dead, the other alive and well(ish). But the point is that Google has a track record of killing or abandoning services when it suits.
- Ian Betteridge
True, Ian. Google's "do no evil" doesn't keep them from killing things that aren't panning out for their world domination strategy. They're marginally more saintly than Facebook.
- Sean Gallagher
Is it because of the Facebook ad approach that Dave W and Scoble are looking to jump ship on FriendFeed?
- Sean Gallagher
Sean: I'm not jumping ship. But I will follow early adopters wherever they go.
- Robert Scoble
Or Google Notebook. Even given that and Jaiku, though, which did do a blow to my faith in Google, I would rather a Google-FriendFeed than a Facebook-FriendFeed. Mostly because I think they'd let it do its own thing rather than assimilate it. They left YouTube pretty well alone. Oh well.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
disagree with FF and LI nxt year bottled up inside Facebook this forces Google MS and Apple to get seriously social and start playing rather than just watching. Google-Twitter, Apple-Facebook versus Microsoft-Bing now that's a battle I want to (socially) watch with all you guys. Oh what fun. Can't wait.
- Thomas Power
I'm not sure Facebook or FriendFeed are entities whose well-being I value so highly; users, I care about, and having FriendFeed developper work their magic, their talent and their stand for open standard to benefit 300M people sounds more important to me then having them spend more time tailoring the digerati's private network. I'm far for believing you can't improve FriendFeed, but I'd...
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- Bertil Hatt
@Bertil_Hatt: if there's one thing that FriendFeed isn't it's a private network. Facebook is the one who, on the other hand, operates like a "walled garden" or a private condo.
- Miguel Caetano
Only if you believe the FF has a sustainable business model?
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
FF is F'ed
- Shivanand Velmurugan
BOOM Facebook Acquires FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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NOOOOO!!!!
- Kevin Mohr
This is a joke, right? Ha ha ha
- LANjackal
say it ain't so!!!!
- Joe Magennis
oh dear
- Craig Eddy
I'm out of here!
- Joshua Schnell
I guess this would explain Paul's ":)" earlier on, preceded by a complaint about lack of sleep
- LANjackal
wat
- Mark Trapp
Wait...no
- Bwana ☠
What?
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
blah
- Jenny Morman
WOW
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Wow
- Rodfather
What?!
- Jeff
This cant be good, I just started to understand friendfeed.
- Jordan Patterson
Can this be true?
- Kevin Whalen
Well, its an exit. Probably a good exit.
- DGentry
nooooo
- holly
Must be HUGE celebrations @microsoft, they're @facebook's biggest $ backer. Big win vs. @google
- LANjackal
I'm going to need a few hours to soak this in
- Bwana ☠
:'(
- Ryan
Unbelievable, and yet believable. I guess the copycatting can stop now.
- Kenley Neufeld
Oh no :(
- Patrik Arwengrim
sigh
- BCK
Well that came out of nowhere. Honestly, I don't like it if it's true.
- Adam Reyher
from Alert Thingy
Sad news.
- Shannon
I'm so confused right now.
- Harry Wolff
what a way to kill innovation. thanks Facebook.
- Edgar Rodríguez
The number of 1/2 word comments is hilarious in and of itself.
- JonathanJoseph
I'm gonna miss FF when it's gone, but I like the idea of FF's awesomeness bringing Facebook's UI along a bit. I wonder how much time Paul et al will owe to FB before we see them back on the market with a new product?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Wow
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
This is nuts
- Chris Saad
I guess all we can wait for now is another Facebook UI overhaul followed by a month of complaints followed by complacency again...
- Harry Wolff
crazy news, what a great move for facebook, but what about us :(
- sean percival
Until we hear from FF offically, I'm not trusting TC.
- Kevin Whalen
Is it true? Paul?
- Stephen Foskett
holy majoly
- anna sauce
So that means Facebook now owns all of our aggregated content?
- jcunwired
Did we just got sold down the river?
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Ok, so I wasn't dreaming
- Bwana ☠
this is just one of those "bad dreams" like on the TV shows, right?
- Al Degutis
You're kidding. Say it ain't so....... Light the pitchforks, we're matchng to the castle......
- Roberto Bonini
Wow! & I just tweeted abt FriendFeed being Next.Big.Thing. 5 minutes ago! Beginning of the end for Twitter!
- Lawrence Liu
There goes the open web's alternative to the closed Facebook news feed heh
- Chris Saad
How ironic. That tweet I ref'd didn't get submitted cuz bit.ly had "a problem accessing Twitter." Posted now at http://twitter.com/LLiu...
- Lawrence Liu
Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)
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Good point.
- Robert Scoble
I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms.
- Swaroop
Including GNASH - the open source alternative - would solve that problem
- Bogdan Costea
yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it.
- Zio Bonino
Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho.
- Matt Mastracci
Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great.
- Rodfather
Is that Steve Jobs disguised as Zio ?
- Swaroop
@Swaroop Yes, we do. Like HTML5.
- Benjamin Dobson
@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :)
- Zio Bonino
@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature
- Swaroop
Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance.
- Paul Buchheit
@Zio You're the real Steve Jobs
- Swaroop
Microsoft moves much too slow to force new standards these days.
- Louis Gray
@Louis: IE8 flunking ACID test :)
- Swaroop
What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already.
- Rodfather
h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is.
- Paul Buchheit
A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait.
- Paul Grav
Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open.
- Paul Buchheit
MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5.
- Paul Grav
Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha!
- .LAG liked that
Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code."
- Guy Vander Heyden
.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too).
- Swaroop
Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad, splicemusic.com's online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java
- Ed F
from Nambu
Does this mean the next Silverlight release is codename Seppuku?
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open.
- Rodfather
Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions.
- Paul Buchheit
Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it?
- .LAG liked that
So Google's NaCl http://code.google.com/p... (now integrated within Chrome/Chromium) was just a temporary workaround, right?
- Jérôme Flipo
Use HTML 5 instead!
- Minh Bui
Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach?
- Daniel Chow
But who prevents Google from taking over the net?
- Andreas
youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube.
- vijay
You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition
- Marcos Marado
The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML....
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- Paul Buchheit
@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth.
- Joel Webber
There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript.
- Steve Temple
Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to!
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
because of moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlig... the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential
- Mike Chelen
@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: http://www.ryanair.com/site... that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based.
- Willowdale
@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well?
- ianf ⌘
I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video
- Scott Radcliff
I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like.
- ianf ⌘
to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well
- Chris Hofmann
somebody call me when http://playboyarchive.com is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight)
- Karim
If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser.
- Jeff Weber
Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do.
- Saad Kamal
not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon.
- Darren Stuart
Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on...
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- Kaan Bingol
People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support?
- Paul Buchheit
I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-)
- Karim
Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution?
- Hayes Haugen
i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-)
- Karim
How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements.
- Derek Wei
All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;)
- Hayes Haugen
Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow.
- Ray Cromwell
That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it.
- Nick Lothian
Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT
- Ray Cromwell
I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
Azure looks really cool. Hint: so did Blackbird.
- Michael R. Bernstein
lol blackbird (scary redmond flashback) - a good example of azure platform utilization can be seen via jon udell's elmcity project - http://blog.jonudell.net/elmcity...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript.
- Sebastian Wain
Good Point, Paul. The web has to be free from proprietary software. And to h.264, sorry OGG Theora is free and superior.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better.
- Victor Ganata
...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is...
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Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes...
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- ianf ⌘
I like this post!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from iPhone
I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows.
- Victor Ganata
ianf ...you bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
alternative to flash video such as ... html5 :) (requires ff3.5) http://www.dailymotion.com/openvid...
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube
- Mike Chelen
Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block
- Mike Chelen
Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash.
- Ed F
Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck.
- LANjackal
But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. http://code.google.com/p...
- Victor Ganata
I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it.
- Victor Ganata
Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it...
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Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough
- Mike Chelen
LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well http://people.xiph.org/~maikme...
- Mike Chelen
Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree
- Charlie Anzman
What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game...
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- Gabe
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Google's OS is also #2 and #8 on Google Hot Trends - http://www.google.com/trends...
- Atul Arora
I've said it before and I'll say it again - you are the master of the catchy headline.
- Mike Doeff
Spot on post MG.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
cyber kid off at the cyber pool.
- Morgan Haley
As Social Technologies Become Pervasive, Prepare Your Company - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
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Great article - we all definitely have a tendency to focus on the next shiny new tool/site, but it's the discussions/relationships and how they are changing that is the revolution.
- Stuart Miniman
Agree that the focus needs to be on improving the relationship with customers/employees. There will always be a new tool. Changing the culture in enterprises to allow these dynamic conversations to happen is still a big problem. Realizing that this is not limited to just the PR department is huge for many companies.
- Elwin Witzke
Thanks for the great summary. I wholeheartedly agree. I must say I have been very surprised at the level of trepidation that people who are just starting out with corporate social media participation bring to the process. For my part, I council them that changing the culture of their organization to bring more authenticity and immediacy are the most important factors. Introducing social media to a company is a perfect way to get a snapshot of the level of fear within an organization.
- Dan Parsons
managers within Monster suggested that the job board site was itself under threat by the next generation of job-finding tools. So-called job aggregator sites such as Indeed, SimplyHired, and Jobster allow the viewing of available jobs across a variety of job boards, and also list their own jobs. While none — alone — is as popular as Monster,... - http://fredwilson.vc/post...
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Long term future still bright for online advertising - http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2009...
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It's amazing that we've all decided to organize our lives around the principle of creating value for other people.
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In it's current form, Friendfeed is too complicated to go mainstream. I see this as an early adopter tool, or for the hard core social folks.
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Yet Facebook and AOL-Bebo are pursuing a lot of what makes FriendFeed tick
- Hutch Carpenter
I have to agree a bit... It can be a bit much for some folk ;)
- Cheryl Allin
thanks for sharing that insight!
- Allen Stern
Its may also cause a data overload even though you follow 10 if it goes mainstream, so it better not :=)
- Yunus Tunak
Of course he posts this right as I try and jump back into FF and just found the 'real time' link, LOL
- Cheryl Allin
from twhirl
Totally agree.
- JonathanJoseph
Facebook is more complicated and has more features. So, explain why that's not too complicated to go mainstream?
- Robert Scoble
GUI.
- Mona Nomura
@Robert Facebook connects you to your friends. That is a basic need. Friendfeed connects you to content, not interesting for many (non-tech) people ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Facebook was not that complicated when it was gone mainstream imho, now its still mainstream as people pull more people :)
- Yunus Tunak
Alexander: are you saying you're not my friend? Damn, ruined my whole day. I thought friendfeed was about reading smart stuff from the people I know.
- Robert Scoble
Excellent keep em out!
- andy brudtkuhl
Also - I agree with Robert. Facebook is waaaaay more complicated than FF
- andy brudtkuhl
Really, I am surprised you think that. I really like FF and would use it more then Twitter but I have found if I tweet from FF I don't get as many followers per day.
- John Flynn
I found facebook and myspace to be lightyears more complex than FF and Twitter, that's my Facebook is little more than a landing pad for people to find me, but otherwise unused.
- Matthew DeVries
Disagree. Facebook has the most horrid UI right now and each iteration gets worse. FriendFeed has a clean UI and is iterating to get better. The real issue here is that the amount of information can be overwhelming ... at first. Weren't these the same things said about ... TV channels ... the Internet ... or blogs in their infancy? In addition, why put the 'social' blinders on? FF is a data flow. Non-linear learning is the future and FF is a gold mine for anyone willing to invest a little time.
- AJ Kohn
>> for anyone willing to invest a little time. key words here. You really don't see the problem?
- Richard Lawler
How FriendFeed is complicated? Anyone who has a blog and Facebook and Twitter and Flickr and delicious and StumbleUpon and digg and YouTube and Google Reader and LinkedIn and Vimeo .... Can easily understand everything about FriendFeed!!!
- Amit Morson
@Richard: No. I don't. How long does it take to start a blog? Or create a MySpace account? Or build your Facebook friends? Or get followers on Twitter? Like *anything* you need to invest a modicum of time to get the most out of a tool.
- AJ Kohn
I actually don't agree. Why do people generally think that "mainstream" means dumbest users? We have a great diversity of people here, and they're not all tech' geeks. It's all in the UI. And imho the UI is nice enough, even the URLs (which are a part of the UI) are designed in a beautiful and simple way. It took me some weeks of using FriendFeed to develop NoiseRiver (another very complex UI for FriendFeed) though I've been what could called "mainstream". Also, FB is more complicated for me than FF.
- directeur
The thing is Facebook has all sorts of social hacks to draw users in. For instance, I know someone who was drawn into Facebook because of "relationship status." His girlfriend created a page for him so that she would have someone to be related to. He realized he better take control of that page. Bing, another user of Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, I'd be honored to be your friend, but I doubt that would have anything to do with me writing 'smart stuff' ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
I feel like people need to grok Twitter before they end up grokking Friendfeed. And you have to grok Facebook (and status updates) before you can grok Twitter. Of course, it's probably just be sampling bias, but that's how my friends who have made those jumps seem to progress.
- Victor Ganata
Well, over on Facebook we can poke each other and I can send you baby photos. Here? All we have is conversations. No toys. No poking.
- Robert Scoble
Precisely Robert - we all like to to talk about GUI and Usability and complexity... but mainstream denotes people feel a compelling need (reason) to use something. My take is that people know why they will/are signing up on Facebook... but have no idea why they would use FF. That can (and will IMHO) change... but only when we can articulate the value in concrete terms like "managing relationship status" or "staying connected with old friends".
- Brian Roy
2Robert "from the people I know": I think, we are also reading the thoughts of people who we don't know but we want to meet with or be friend in real life or give value to their posts, comments and likes.
- Ömer Faruk Kurt
Friendfeed is identical to many many message boards out there. That's all social networks at their core truly are. It'll take a long time for mass market users to migrate to formats of this nature but it's really more about training user and visibility than anything else. So, it could happen but probably won't. But there is nothing novel to the message board.
- Patricia
Brian Roy - Facebook has added lifestreaming to achieve "staying connected with friends".
- Hutch Carpenter
@directeur it is not about mainstream users being 'dumb'. It's about developers not understanding that mainstream users are not looking for the coolest technological tricks but a service that provides them direct value. UI is definitely a huge factor. Geek desire to add more controls and possibilities than the human mind could care about is another ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Omer: stick around here for a few minutes and I'll bet I'll know more about you than my next-door neighbor. That is a sad commentary on human life now, but it's true.
- Robert Scoble
Hutch - and your point is? There is a BIG difference between why I use something and HOW that something accomplishes what I want done. Some tool can implement the HOW far better than any other... but if I don't know why I'm using it who cares?
- Brian Roy
AJ, clearly you've never sat down and watched someone start a facebook page or myspace account. Within a couple of minutes you've gotten all the feedback necessary to get most people hooked. That's not the case on friendfeed for non geeks.
- Richard Lawler
FF needs pictures and a pretty interface, the mainstream like this! Take a look at this page - not very pretty. Facebook has more bells and whistles for the average person.
- Chris Frost
Brian Roy - My point is that Facebook starts with friend connections, then adds lifestreaming. FriendFeed starts with lifestreaming, and we find friends. The latter model takes some coaxing to get people over here.
- Hutch Carpenter
I'd suggest that for most end users, it's almost impossible to stand at the top of the learning curve and see why others can't get up it.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Robert glad you can't poke me here. That would definitely be a friendship killer. BTW getting blackmailed into Facebook is a tactics I have witnessed before too. People take Facebook way to serious.
- Alexander van Elsas
I always thought of myself as hard core and thanks to Jeremiah it's been proven. :)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Hutch - Ah! Ok... got it. So facebook has a compelling mainstream message about WHY you would use it (connect with friends) and good tools to help you do that. FF has great tools with (perhaps) an absence of a compelling mainstream message about WHY you would use it. I'd buy that.
- Brian Roy
I think the most important disadvantage for Friendfeed is that I have to scroll all the way up to be able to add a comment at the bottom. Major UI bummer! ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Sure Robert, We want it to be like that. We are broadcasting ourselves to remove the borders. People wonder what his friends are doing, so we are following facebook. People wonder what are the people are reading and thinking so we are following ff. People don't want to be lonely :) want to talk and share.
- Ömer Faruk Kurt
@Richard: Okay, show me the proof. Where's the data? Where are the comparative UI stats on MySpace versus Facebook versus Twitter versus WordPress versus FriendFeed? Sorry, but YMMV and from the rate of FriendFeed growth I'd say there isn't nearly the problem with UI that many claim.
- AJ Kohn
Ken hits it on the head. It's the same reason why people who prefer a command line interface can't understand why other people can't live without a GUI.
- Victor Ganata
@AJ let's take out Twitter as a stream for FF. I'd like to knw how fast FF is growing then? Aren't they simply lifting of Twitter traffic (just wondering)?
- Alexander van Elsas
FF wants you to use all kinds of web tools(flickr, twitter, reader etc.) and use as many as you can, thats by definition not mainstream.
- Yunus Tunak
Sorry AJ, I left my Facebook powerpoint in my other Internets. I don't need a number to tell me what an afternoon spent at a library can easily make clear.
- Richard Lawler
And FF UI is messy too, i am using Stylish with my own codes to tweak FF interface.. Many people do.
- Yunus Tunak
I think it's not complicated. it's just practically impossible to keep up with the content flood if you have a life :D
- Roland Hesz
I think FF is simple, not messy
- andy brudtkuhl
I think ff is a specialized version of a forum. FF changed forum concept a little bit and now we can subscribe what people are saying. Also, we have a homepage filled with the posts of our subscriptions.
- Ömer Faruk Kurt
I felt the same way initially but when they added the "real time" feature and the ability to create lists (filtering) it provided me with some of the features that Twitter Indian-gave us oh so long ago. The ability to thread and to have our life streams merge from other services is a plus not a minus.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
Bluntly, those of you who judge FriendFeed by how early adopters choose to use it, lack imagination. Picture someone who simply follows a few friends, clicks "Like" on stuff, and occasionally shares a message, photo or link.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
@Alexander: Twitter as a % of the content is an interesting topic. I don't know but I don't think they're leveraging the *traffic* per se, but if Twitter were to shut off the ability to feed Tweets into FF ... that would be interesting and likely bad for both services.
- AJ Kohn
Bruce, you haven't explained why that person would leave the facebook account they already have.
- Richard Lawler
@Richard: That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. And qualitative research is wonderful. But ... Library users, that's a unique segment isn't it? And what part of the country did you do that? Urban or Rural? That's a good deal of bias. It's a fine opinion, but right now in year one, FriendFeed growth is strong based on the numbers.
- AJ Kohn
Richard, I was addressing people who say FriendFeed is too complicated, not people who say Facebook is too adequate. I don't think FriendFeed is going to beat Facebook in 2009 or 2010, but I do think FriendFeed has great long-term potential. The untapped market is bigger than Facebook's userbase.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
AJ, the library point is an example, there is no doubt that you can go to a library near you today and watch someone casually using setting up a page on myspace or facebook. They way that person reacts to their first few minutes and the way they'd react to the information friendfeed presents are entirely different. A year one growth number tells me nothing about friendfeed's mainstream potential. Actual user experiences tell a lot.
- Richard Lawler
Bruce, what untapped market? How many people are out there who don't have facebook pages, but are at all interested in the features presented by friendfeed?
- Richard Lawler
The market is everybody who currently uses email to share photos, messages, and things they find on the web. I wrote more about it here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Since I wrote that, Facebook did go ahead and implement half of FriendFeed's "Like" feature, bolstering their adequacy, but there's still a long way to go.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce - Those people have facebook pages. If they don't, they don't want to, and they don't want friendfeed either. The assumption that people will use the hide feature to make friendfeed palatable is ignoring how people use these services. You can look at the complaints about facebook to see most people don't understand or use filters well already.
- Richard Lawler
Honestly . . . if this is a bit much for people then I weep for the internet.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I'm so down with that, Jeremiah. Most people don't WANT all the info FF makes available
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
You should try http://www.popego.com (full disc: I'm an investor), they are trying to fix these issues
- Emiliano Kargieman
Who WANTS frf to become mainstream? I don't. All people who are here are pretty cool and we almost don't have ghost accounts, no jerks, no advertisers. Conversations and posts are awesome. Why invite 175 millions?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
I agree. I don't want FF to become like Usenet did in the 90s.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
FF may not go (public) mainstream anytime soon, but I think it could be widely adopted across enterprises within the year. Wonderful opportunities exist with FF.
- Mark Evans
Hi guys! What would you think about a one-week-user-generated campaign to promote FF? We're enough FF lovers to spread our message all over the Internets. If we make this our challenge, we could make FF mainstream in 15d.
- Jérôme Flipo
Mark, frf on enterprise level any soon - I doubt it. Most of them still not ready for social software. Look at SharePoint - is it a bit social? SAP is integrating twitter and Lotus notes have got linkedin support and we are in 2009. I think it will happen but not that soon and not in the way it exists now.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Let's create a FF room to organize this campaign, get @Jeremiah and @Robert inside and the web is ours!
- Jérôme Flipo
I think once you resign yourself to the fact that there is just too much "stuff" being posted for you to see every thing, and start using list to decide what you are going to read and when you are going to read it, FF becomes much more manageable. As far as FF going mainstream, all it will take is for (the management team of) some pop star or movie star to start pushing out tweets or the rss feed of their site and the rest will come running...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
In some ways I agree with Jeremiah because I can't get a lot of my Twitter and Facebook friends over here. They're comfortable with what they have and feel connected with their friends in each place, they also get content which they feel they're in control of in the sense the sense they are sharing with only people they choose to connect to. Friendfeed is still mostly a tech or geek playground by comparison. Which means I have to spend time at the other places if I want to play with friends, sigh.
- Sally Church
I love how easy it is to post something I found online on ff. I wish all blogging tools had the same feature! I would write stuff all the time and probably be annoying - but it is such a hassle to grab images and upload them. That feels very ol skool.
- JoEllen
Does it really matter whether this goes mainstream or not? Not.
- tony
Jeremiah: Ha ha. No. FriendFeed has one of the nicest, cleanest, interfaces around. Once you learn how to filter and set up lists, the interface gets even easier and nicer. As with so many other things technical, it all comes down to RTFM.
- Steven Perez
Agreed, so FF needs to make sure that it doesn't get more complicated and leave the mainstream behind. Unless they only care about early adopters, which I doubt.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
What is currenly "complicated" in FriendFeed? Really, I don't see anything wrong with its UI, maybe some enhancements are welcome, but it's really very usable. Kevin did a great job!
- directeur
Agreed. It's powerful, but needs a much me simple interface.
- Ian Betteridge
from twhirl
Facebook is the most damned complicated interface they could have dreamed up once you've spent a day with it. Same with My Space, who can find anything on those pages. Twitter is simple, but you have to subscribe to 200 people before you start to get anything good going. I only really like the FF interface. It's very functional, fast, let's me spend plenty of time here. On Facebook I update my status and them I'm out.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
I cannot understand why people think FB is LESS complicated than FF. Absolutely ridiculous
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Agreed Rahsheen
- Tyler (Chacha)
Who said Facebook and FriendFeed are competing for the same thing? I use both and they are two seperate things entirely. And that's ok. Why do we have to have a winner? I don't hang out with my different sets of friends all at the same time. And also, why the rush to get mainstream? You don't tile the roof before laying the foundation </get off my lawn>
- Johnny Worthington
FriendFeed is less complicated than Facebook, and if used for the same purpose (connecting with existing friends), then it has got something going for it. At least FriendFeed users are not bombarded by silly application requests.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
So maybe there could be an option to use a basic or advanced UI for FF. I do lament the lack of mainstream appeal, but I love the power and flexibility it gives users.
- Tom Landini
Yes, Friendfeed is really complicated for people to understand. My dad (who I think is fairly wise) is just catching on to everything - Facebook was the easiest for him to join. Twitter second. FriendFeed? Confusing.
- Tabz
I don't believe it is more complicated, just offers you with a different way of gaining and disseminating information. Not complicated though once you have your FriendFeed groove going, it's pretty easy.
- Sharon Dexter
When I first started using FB it felt complicated as hell, now it's second nature. FF doesn't have a great flow but as more people use it, that should change.
- Nathan Wooding
I think it's deceptively simple
- anna sauce
I don't think that Friendfeed itself is terribly complicated - one could even call it elegant - but the problems that it addresses tend to be those experienced by complicated people - people with lots of social media outlets and not always good ways to aggregate them or to comment on them with a close network of trusted peers. If I were Friendfeed I'd stick with the elegant solution for the geeks and look at how all of its content can be aggregated more effectively for non-geeks.
- John Blossom
I agree. Friendfeed has a lot going on that make it a valuable tool, but it's a bit overwhelming when you first start navigating it.
- Trish Ridgway
I don't think FF is complicated it's just hard for some people to manage so much information
- Mihai Secasiu
It's not mainstream because not everyone is into reading and filtering a stream of information/conversations. Yes, a lot of people are interested in this, but not the mainstream, IMHO. Another argument could be said that we can do most of what FF does inside Facebook now, if we chose to (import feeds, blog posts, tweets, conversation streams, "likes", etc). But do we all (on FF) do it? Probably not. Some people like specialized tools for each job - others like a universal tool for everything (ie FB).
- Brian
Friendfeed is still early in its development cycle: It is one of the cleanest platform available and has captured a great core. It now needs to find a set of killer apps which will allow them to clear the chasm. And when they do, they will put a lot of pressure on both twitter and facebook because they have a much more open and cleaner foundation. The only piece that is missing at this point is an addressable user namespace. That is what creates the power social dynamics on twitter and is sometimes missing.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Jeremiah, I've been saying this for ages. It is a promotional content tool that 99.95% of the population have no use for. It's more like a medium for PR. That Robert thinks this is where the conversation happens is not true.
- Bob Sonin
For me FF is about pushing life stream to Facebook. Only the social media crowd reads FF, but everyone I know sees that same info on Facebook. I installed the FF app on Facebook that feeds all the FF activity into Facebook. I really appreciate that FF has gone out and done the work to connect all of my social tools into one place. Great tool.
- Travis Murdock
Like Francine, I think it's more about the information. I don't particular think FF is hard to get, it just takes more work to strike up conversations with people than it does on Twitter or FB. The thing about FB is that everyone I went to MS, HS, and college with is on there. But those people are not over here. That's why people might think FB is easier. The "average person" is not going to use FF--I don't think, ever.
- Lynne d Johnson
gotta jump on the bandwagon here: facebook is really more complicated than friendfeed. and i'd also like to posit that "complicated" is not always a deterrent - in many cases it is the extra features that lead the more hardcore users to flock to these services. either way, i agree that friendfeed isn't yet mainstream, but it took twitter several years to hit that level too (or facebook for that matter).
- mike fabio
Wow. Big discussion. Just skimmed some of the comments. I think it not that it's inherently complicated, but that (as already said by some people) the core value add is not big enough for most people. Looking at the success of Twitter and Facebook vs FriendFeed's limited growth (even though it offers most of the features that the whole body of Twitter users in aggregate is asking for) is an interesting lesson in product development. So I guess the next question is, where does FF go from here?
- Andrew Shuttleworth
The thing is its not complicated to use, but to understand its value, and to get value from it, is complicated enough that most people will never want to use it.
- Richard Lawler
@Bob Sonin: Nearly 100 comments on this *one* thread alone seems to prove that conversations *do* take place on FF.
- AJ Kohn
"Why would I need 500 channels of television?! It's too much to deal with!" Sound familiar? A lot of 'social media' folks seem stuck in thinking FF has to deliver the same things or act the same way as other services. That's just not true. Nor has it ever been true in the evolution of any medium.
- AJ Kohn
I still think that for most people, the value of brief posts from people in a social network is not immediately obvious. Even in FB, most people take a little while to understand the purpose of status updates/posted items/walls/the newsfeed, and only a fraction of FB's users actually use them, and only a fraction of that use them actively. In FF, its analogous functions are basically what it's all about!
- Victor Ganata
Like any other product, survey clients and give the customers what they want, pretty simple.
- Jim Peake
AJ - for every "500 channels of television" "no one will ever need a computer with more than xx MB of RAM" there's a thousand products that don't catch on with the mainstream. You've got to do better than that.
- Richard Lawler
Complicated does not mean not useful. At a certain point the growth of a communication tool limits it's utility for anything other than selling soap. I use IRC semi-daily because it's easier to get in front of the people who know about what I want to discuss. As long as FriendFeed makes it easier to find conversations about things you're interested in it will be useful. Confusing newbies is just a side benefit.
- Sam Levine
Completely agree Jeremiah.
- Jamie
depends on what mainstream really ultimately is, facebook is technically mainstream, but a slice of users are hard core and others dabble currently, ff in this new beta is looking like an extremely powerful aggregator and discussion tool compared to even several weeks ago
- Patrick Boegel
Japanese bailout official: “I thought America had studied Japan’s failures....Why is it making the same mistakes?” http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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Like is definitely not representative of my actual response. More like cry.
- JonathanJoseph
Definitely a great article but, but I do agree "like" is probably not the best link title for this :)
- Manuel
Japan's problems were small compared to the current situation US and they were able to stumble along for far too long. The good news is the US won't. The bad news: in its very swiftness, quite apart from all the other reasons.....the impact will be global.
- David HC Soul
I'm getting bored because we haven't had a bright shiny object in awhile. Is Friendfeed is the last in the graduating Web 2.0 class?
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There are plenty of bright and shiny web 2.0 services -- there is just a big difference in quality and level of service by those web apps.
- Sonya Smith
What makes a web site shiny? Stuff sliding around on the page?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
What you're looking for is http://vnoted.com. Or not.
- Ted Gilchrist
I agree...things have definitely slowed down.
- Chris Rossini
tons of awesome bright shiny objects and guess what - they are making money and providing users with great benefit
- Allen Stern
Depends what you mean by graduated. New sites stopped debuting with such regularity in mid-2008. I remember Robert and me talking about it then. There have been some interesting ones, like Glue, PeopleBrowsr, Plinky, Scrapplet, etc., but nothing that has stuck in the way FriendFeed has. In my opinion, especially with examples 1,2 and 4, they launched while still too complex.
- Louis Gray
Steve, I can Troll U That should be Fun LMAO
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Thats what I've been telling people too. It's been quite sometime we haven't seen a BSO in a while. May be we all are maturing :)
- Sampad Swain
PeopleBrowsr is very intriguing however complex UI makes it a difficult product for entry - most users will be lost
- Susan Beebe
Friendfeed took a while to get interesting following their launch. I think we'll see some of the picks suggested by Louis start to emerge in the coming months (I'm biased, of course).
- Fraser
I think there's also a longer maturation cycle. Disqus is continuing to get very good. Socialmedian rose and got to a sale in less than a year, no small feat, but that's the exception rather than the rule. And I'm biased, but I think SocialToo will be very useful.
- Louis Gray
I haven't seen anything to rival FriendFeed since I've started using them. Usually Scoble's my filter for the really cool stuff though and I wait for about the sixth or seventh time that he keeps pounding the table on the same thing and then go check it out.
- Thomas Hawk
Steve, have you tried http://www.getglue.com/ yet?
- Meryn Stol
screw Scoble. and people who fart when they hear tech. when the next service gets popular I'm going to stay right where I am.... honest
- Noah David Simon
There is tons of shiny new stuff out there, unfortunately everyone has their head down right now in case things go even more off the deep end economically.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
In The Know: Are Reality Shows Setting Unrealistic Standards For Skanks? | The Onion - America's Finest News Source - http://www.theonion.com/content...
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Yossi: "Kapor wanted me to invest $6M... when we Jews hear 'six million' we get very nervous!"
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apparently you don't have to pay your taxes until you get caught in the vetting process. i feel like a sucker. http://online.wsj.com/article...
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Asking "should we trust the cloud" is like asking "should we trust horseless carriages" - http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog...
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"First of all, it doesn't really matter if people trust the cloud or not. What matters is whether they use it or not. The average person doesn't trust computers, automobile mechanics or lawyers yet they use them anyway. Given the massive adoption of the Web from search engines and e-commerce sites to Web-based email and social networking services, it is clear that the average computer person trusts the cloud enough to part with their personal information and their money." Nice.
- Paul Buchheit
My feeling is this. Use the cloud for the convenience it offers. But never trust it.
- Gregg H.
Fantastic title
- JonathanJoseph
Great post.
- Matt Cutts
We don't actually trust horseless carriages: That's why we have insurance, and roadside repair, and so on. The question is whether, in moving to the cloud (which, by and large, we aren't at the moment - at least outside of mainstream geekery) we have enough insurance.
- Ian Betteridge
I think Dare's point is that we may not trust them completely, but we use them and they work well for us. The same as "computers and ... lawyers" from the article.
- Matt Cutts
i expect our data and applications will move to the cloud, then maybe hardware advances will bring the data and applications back to us when capabilities allow and then ultimately out to the cloud because at that point the real time information created by each individual will probably be too much.
- Iggy Mwangi
The problem with this cloud stuff - it's counter to human nature. That nature that tells us to stock up when we see bargains, preventing us from pick up milk in a supermarket, walking out with only milk. That forces netbook shoppers to demand roomy hard drives, clunky operating systems, bigger screens & even dvd burners just to use firefox. That causes people to ignore the 8GB iPhone because there's bigger and you might need that storage. That drives consumers to bigger Mpx cameras with increased features.
- Ian Tindale
And that nature that tells us to download and squirrel away multimedia instead of trusting to merely experiencing it streamed. If it's 'only' streamed, I don't get to hold it in my hands like an album cover. If I store it on my increasing collection of hard drives, well, it's mine, now, innit?
- Ian Tindale
Giants Fan in Shambles - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Umm.. loser? I love my team (which happens to be the Eagles -- the one he's upset about) but I'll be damned if you caught me crying after they lost to the Cardinals in the NFC championship -- LOSER.
- Mike Kogelman
Umm... wow. As a Giants fan, I am embarassed.
- Kevin Whalen
Yes Its an overreaction, the crying, but the guy at the end yelling at him is an ass hat.
- Joe K
wow, he's really crying
- Alex C. Williams
maybe he lost some money on it
- bob
As a Redskins fan and entrepreneur in the fantasy football space, I really loved this. Beautiful on so many levels.
- JonathanJoseph
This made my Monday and i'm spamming every form of social network that i belong to proliferate it.
- Bryan Power
Why is my Friendfeed "best of" today filled with the 25 things meme and not Obama?
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Depends on who you're following as to what's in your best of day. Plus it's about ratio: there were maybe a hundred 25 things posts and they each got a lot of likes because there was a very finite number. There were hundreds, perhaps thousands of Obama posts: they probably got just as many likes in aggregate, but fewer likes per post.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I was full up on Obama this morning in the best of listings.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
good observation.
- BEX
Friendfeeds biggest weakness is that it has a little Digg in the community here. I have a few 25 things meme entries and a shocking amount of entries about the FF/Twitter integration. Like Digg, the community here is a little too into itself to be useful to those outside of the echo chamber. Its a good thing for the FF team, though.
- JonathanJoseph
I haven't liked any of these things. Friendfeed does have a problem. Not sure how to fix it.
- Robert Scoble
I hate these memes, sorry. Especially on a day when there's so much to talk about that's meaningful.
- Steve Rubel
Steve: I don't like them either.
- Robert Scoble
Steve, part of why the political posts have died down today is that some of them got extremely heated and resulted in multiple blocks and some people leaving FF either permanently or temporarily. After that type of situation people tend to 1) avoid the posts in question and 2) hold back on similar posts. And Robert: best of day is based on the people you follow, not your personal likes. But I think you knew that...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Both comments and likes enter into "best" and these items always have at least 25 comments.
- Bruce Lewis
The best of section is my least favorite thing about Friend Feed.
- MarkCarras
@Tina, still seems like there would be more about Obama in the mix given my volume and the fact that I follow hundreds of people here.
- Steve Rubel
I know that but it is based on how many likes and comments things get. One other thing is there was so much on Obama that most of those didn't have a chance to get comments or likes. We dramatically need track.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, still don't understand why that meme took off today though.
- Steve Rubel
I've been hiding the 25 things meme all day.
- Ryan Kuder
Well, your on the top of my list!
- Sweyn Venderbush
We love talking about ourselves.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble I only like talking about Friendfeed. :-)
- Steve Rubel
The Home feed desperately needs metadata filtering (Hide by tag). Care to join a petition..? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Sprague D
Not crazy about some of the memes, especially this one. I don't participate in them often. I'm still seeing enough about Obama, though. The persistence of the meme isn't killing me *shrug*.
- Kamilah Gill
Until late afternoon EDT my best of was filled with Obama all day. This evening it's more mixed as people are chilling out. Guess it depends on who you follow.
- Sally Church
I hear you but I'd rather hear people talk about themselves and learn about the people I interact with on a daily basis then have my day ruined by bickering. Even on inauguration day, people get NASTY. I hear Wonkette is a good political hang out place. :)
- Mona Nomura
all FriendFeed needs to do is add the "best of day, week, month" button to search and you'd have exactly what you are looking for.
- Thomas Hawk
must be meme tuesdays again... =)
- Adam Singer
This has been a recurring theme for me today, glad I'm not the only one. I've been tweaking lists, deleting lists, hiding entry types, pretty much doing whatever I can. I can't use IM or twhirl until I've figured this out.
- coldbrew
I've found a great deal of meaningful stuff in the 25 things meme. A great deal. Perhaps you could try reading some of them. Here's one I recommend: http://friendfeed.com/e... -- Things like this are precisely why I am on here. I am probably not alone, which would account for this showing up in best of day.
- Jim Hearts FF
And for what it's worth, these searches from Google should help clarify: 917 items re: inauguration on FF in 24 hours vs 131 items re: "25 things" http://www.google.com/search... and http://www.google.com/search...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I liked it the meme. It gave us all a chance (this who wanted to) to learn a little more about each other and hopefully give some context to peoples backgrounds. Once you know a person, then you can understand more where they are coming from. It's like getting out and meeting your neighbours. Wasn't that a message in Obama's speech. Plus if you want an Obamathon, turn on the tv... (that could be the other reason it took off). It's ok not to like it but sometimes FF won't just be all about the day's issue
- Johnny Worthington
I meant filtering, in general, not with regard to some specific topic.
- coldbrew
Because the FriendFeed crowd immersed itself in the campaign. We've hashed it out. The election is complete. Some cheered, others kicked the dirt in disgust. The inauguration is window dressing and hoopla at the end of the day. We're paying attention but it's not really news. First State of the Union - I think we'll see something very different. Rubber to road. Inauguration is cotton candy
- AJ Kohn
Excellent comment AJ. I completely concur.
- Keith - @tsudo
After EurObama: No time to loose- Heritage Found pushes "Missile Threat" in Feb '09 http://friendfeed.com/e...
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Well, there was this meme, and everybody was "liking" everybody. I put a like just for people I know and gave up from joining in to the game. And there was a lot of angry comments in topics about Obama and the inauguration, and there wasn't a "like" consensus about it, which is really sad.
- Bibi
BTW, your forgot the angry republicans and some not happy democrats, which didn't like those Obama topics. And those which truly don't care for what it's going on outside their own country. I also saw topics with trolls and nasty comments about the inauguration.
- Bibi
Did you post a '25 things' Steve? (It's mandatory)
- Charlie Anzman
Is there really any more to say about Obama at this point?
- Dawn
Of course, it depends on who ones friends are. Mainly the bulk of friend is all about trivia.
- bill giltner
whoa, Utah's attorney general is "investigating the BCS for a possible antitrust violation" according to ESPN.
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Yeah. The LOVE wasting our money here behind the Zion Curtain
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
would it still be a waste if the Utes end up with the national championship? :)
- Adam Ostrow
Hey, it's millions of dollars going to the BCS schools that could be propping up your higher educational systems. You may as well get a piece.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Not only is BCS illegal but incredibly shortsighted. Please send my alma mater the $10M they stole from us 10 yrs ago.
- JonathanJoseph
I, for one, welcome our new BCS overlords
- Jesse Stay
Seriously, when people see the normalization Gnip is working on, they're gonna shit. Gonna be rad. So rad. So. Very. Rad. (No pressure :)
Matt Albiniak, JonathanJoseph, David Recordon and 2 other people liked this
The "Execution Gap" is the space between the astronomical opportunities before us and our ability to grasp them.
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Front Fell Off - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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nicolas rolland, Private Sanjeev, Gary Burd and 15 other people liked this
No cardboard derivatives?
- JonathanJoseph
So Monty Python it hurts...
- Chad Thornton
Where did you find this?
- DeWitt Clinton
Lol. "Some of them are built so that the front doesn't fall off at all."
- Jess Lee
Hilarious, cheers!
- Majento
background: these guys have a weekly segment on australian TV, always to do with something real; I think this one is referring to this oil spill http://www.amsa.gov.au/marine_...
- Rob Schonberger
this is a test
- Alexis Johnson
Is underdog LinkedIn poised to beat flashy Facebook - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/externa...
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Is "virtual community" obsolete - or now just 1 galaxy in social media universe? Twitter, 4 example, has community aspects - but not really?
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"Persistence isn't using the same tactics over and over. Persistence is having the same goal over and over." - Seth Godin, http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...
udo, Rahmin Sarabi, Doug Bloebaum and 17 other people liked this
Bye Manhattan. Next time let's make it an 'over 10,000' celebration, deal?
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@venturebeat has put together what imho is a very bad-ass miniconference on surviving the downturn http://venturebeat.com/2008...
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Great idea from VentureBeat.
- Robert Scoble
Finally, a VC Firm With The Balls To Tell It Like It Is - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008...
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Philip John, JonathanJoseph, mikepk and 4 other people liked this
totally. fucking. awesomeness. ++
- dave mcclure
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haha, no doubt :)
- Zee.
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