E-trade offers them for $25 https://us.etrade.com/e.... The way it works is that this keychain thing spits out a new number every minute, and you include that number with your password at login. Even if someone gets your password (due to a keylogger or the like), it will quickly be invalid.
- Paul Buchheit
Blizzard almost never has them in stock. Whenever they get a batch they sell out in a few hours. Apparently they work. lol
- Heather
I do not know how reliable they are now but a few years ago, the quartz in this would get out of sync for a non trivial percentage of users, which resulted in a lot of customer support issues.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
bought one for the hubby's warcraft account. he hasn't been hacked since. (nearly once every couple weeks prior to that)
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
I would pay for this option also and being that I run GApps at work, would also do it for all staff.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
What would keep someone from writing this as an iPhone/Android app?
- Matt Cutts
It would need to hook into the Google auth system Matt. (or automatically change my password every minute, which would probably trigger some abuse system inside google)
- Paul Buchheit
Matt: Nothing, as demonstrated by Blizzard's implementation of it as a free iPhone app already. :)
- Stephen Mack
I wish this could end phishing, but it can't, because "it will quickly be invalid" doesn't help much if it's used to generate a session token the very moment it's entered. Perhaps the key should ask you what OS/browser you're using, how recently you logged in on that machine, etc. -- facts known to Google and associated with your browser session -- and generate different numbers depending on your answers. Tricky business.
- Daniel Dulitz
It doesn't solve all problems Daniel, but it does solve some. The twitter hack for example was apparently due to a guessed password or something (though I'm not up-to-date on the news, so maybe that's no longer the story).
- Paul Buchheit
Frankly, I want an RFID-like chip in my cell phone + ubiquitous RFID readers. The cell phone would also require you to type a password or PIN, so it's something you have + something you know. And there's a fake PIN that looks like it worked but causes a lockdown behind the scenes, so if you get mugged you tell people the PIN is 5555 when your PIN is really 2343.
- Matt Cutts
Paul, it's just a lot easier to make this happen if it solves the _biggest_ problem. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
I think the biggest problem is that people want absolute convenience and absolute security. I have never had any personal information stolen or accounts hacked. It might be because I'm a boring person not worth stealing from, but it could also be that I don't put information all over the place. I only use my phone to make calls, I only download from well known sites, I don't allow porn...
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- Heather
I disagree with that reasoning Daniel. The phishing problem is real, but today's Twitter problem for example does not appear to have been phishing related, and probably would have been prevented by a device such as this -- is that not sufficient evidence that this solvable problem is worth solving? It also prevents people from using bad passwords, using the same password on multiple accounts, etc, which is very useful in the apps-for-your-domain context.
- Paul Buchheit
As soon as PayPal offered theirs I bought it immediately and like many others, I'm in line to get one for our two WoW accounts. I loved these as a Systems Admin where we required them to get past the firewalls if you were a remote worker.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
+1 Paul, I've been a SecureID user many years at work, and with ETrade, so I've got two, so far, but it makes you wonder if every account you used required SecureID, you'll eventually need a REALLY BIG keychain. ;)
- .LAG liked that
There is no reason why the same SecureID fob can't be used with more than one site.
- Jauder Ho
Matt Cutts: BlackBerry (maybe only BES) has had "password under duress" for a while. When enabled you swap the first and last characters of your handset password, it unlocks but also triggers admin side alerts. Quite cool, but I suspect the only people that use it will be the military :)
- Alex Lomas
jh: yeah, RSA should probably offer this as a service; get one SecurID from them, and you can register it with any site that supports it.
- Tudor Bosman
Paul, no, I don't think the fact that some hacks would be prevented by a method is sufficient reason to implement that method. Apps has supported SAML for quite a while, see http://code.google.com/apis... , so Apps admins can use auth methods of their choice including this one. If I'm going to take your $25 for a token, I'd like to make it more...
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- Daniel Dulitz
@jh, @Tudor: yeah it would be great if one SecureID could service multiple accounts for the owner, but i think each key fob is unique to the account holder and service they're issued for; some foreknowledge of the site/account the fobs will be used for is required. with the one I use at work, I signed some paperwork, sent it to Tech, and then got the fob few days later. Sounds like a potential customer-service nightmare for RSA if they when that route.
- .LAG liked that
They'd probably pick up more paid accounts. Just the concept would probably convince numerous new users.
- Charlie Anzman
Great idea! It's also a great way of branding the name if it's on a key chain of something else cool. Verisign offers it as a second layer of security on their OpenID accounts. They were charging before, but I just checked and it's free now. I'll have to get it for my account. Two-factor identification should be standard everywhere, especially on bank accounts.
- Michael Fidler
I'm waiting for Google to handle all my Internet passwords, all encrypted behind a master Google accounts password and a security calculator/keychain type of mechanism. I wouldn't perhaps need to use that physical extra security code each time I log in. It could be set to once a day, and secure login can be reset at any time during the day (if you don't feel confortable using public web terminal at a netcafe, you can simply activate secure login for any activity done after you logout.
- Charbax
Also, I believe Google should easily show me a complete log of all activities on my Google account, this way I could find out if something fishy is going on. If one is paranoid while using a public terminal, there should be a "monitor in realtime all activity" window so you can see if anything weird is going on while you are logged in and you should imediately be able to cancel/restore/logout in realtime once any of that fishy activity has been detected.
- Charbax
For $25 -- that's worth the peace of mind.
- CarolAnnB
Matt, regarding RFID: I've seen applications using bluetooth for a similar purpose. If a specific phone comes within range, the computer unlocks/wakes up/launches the missiles/etc. I'm not sure that RFID adds much, though I'm unfamiliar with how easy it is to spoof the identity of either bluetooth or RFID.
- DGentry
in case you weren't aware, there are other options for SecurID other than the fob - like the mobile app http://www.rsa.com/node... or software token (RSA is an EMC company, my employer)
- Stuart Miniman
I have my paypal key, I feel secure because of it. And it only cost me $5.
- Luis
The future of security is going to include some strong password/identity tools. Agreed on the value of the rsa key, could our smart phones generate similar sequences without risking theft?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
@Charbax: Gmail (and possibly other apps?) does show you when someone else is logged in at the same time as you are, as well as their IP. Not precisely what you're suggesting, but is still quite helpful.
- Joel Webber
surprised these things are still popular. Years ago we used them at GE and perhaps they still do... But wouldn't it be more convenient to add a dynamic part to a password with a question like your wife's age + XX, or day first child was born + XX or year this picture was taken + XX. The variation of lets say 5 questions plus a random addition or subtraction would add enough variation and security no ? curious to see this your comments.
- Bart LePoole
I have the Paypal one, and one for my BofA account. I would definitely get one for Google and for my Amazon account. *HINT*
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
Why would I want one for every account? Why can't I use the same one for all my accounts?
- Gabe
paul, that's a great idea for a start-up (btw user should have *one* item for all accounts)
- Massimo MaxKava Cavazzini
Stuart: thanks cool that rsa is proactive about it. It also looks like Matt suggested mobile devices take on this responsibility earlier in the thread
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
These tokens are mostly based on OTP solutions. Google also must consider the other options; PKI - for maksimum security (e-signatures) - And also, Google's application must be supported with most tokens regarding to its support (PKCS etc.)
- Zafer Yılmaz
That doesn't work in the UK, it would have been 12:34:56 8/7/9.
- Kol Tregaskes
happy days to all & a rather preemptive happy 2009-08-07 06:54:32.1 ? ;-)
- immaterial
Actually, to be any "relevant," it'd have to be this forgettable moment in history: 09-08-07 06:05:04.030201 almost a whole hour earlier than your proposed one!
- ianf ⌘
My girlfriend and I had a first kiss very close to 12:34:56 7/8/90.
- Jared B. Luther
Well, we in India will celebrate it a month later. But I never understood, why US date has MM as starting field!
- Varun Mahajan
Scott very intentionally and deliberately spent this second saying "I love you" to me. :-D He's too sweet and good for me!
- Ladybug Heather
Only reason I can guess is that when spoken in American English, the month usually comes before the day, so that carried into the numeric form. Is my guess, anyway.
- Scott of Two Countries
Yeah, we tend to say "March 20th" instead of "the 20th of March," so the expression in numbers follows suit.
- Ladybug Heather
This is amazing. "Step 1: After purchasing a file, rename the file e.g. Mike_Final-Paper. Step 2: Email the file to your professor along with your "here's my assignment" email. Step 3: It will take your professor several hours if not days to notice your file is "unfortunately" corrupted. Use the time this website just bought you wisely and finish that paper!!!"
- Christopher Sacca
from Bookmarklet
SMART. Would have been useful to me about a year ago. :) A lot of my professors actually wanted paper copies, though, so maybe not.
- Shawn Farner
I want to have been born in the 80's or 90's. You kids get great excuses like this, match.com instead of going to bars and begging friends to introduce you to people... God, I sound like an old man now :)
- Joel Webber
I actually did this once when I was on my high school paper. I took a 3.5" floppy (yeah, this was 1990) opened the protective metal sleeve and put fingerprints on the disk surface. That didn't work, so I smudged it harder and repeatedly. No dice. I ended up having to score it rather deeply with a ballpoint pen before the disk wouldn't mount. It would have been easier to just finish the story.
- Kevin Fox
@kevin That's awesome. I have always underestimated you, clearly. Hahahaha.
- Christopher Sacca
I used to pull this trick all the time, same as Kevin with "corrupted" discs. Mine were the 5" floppies though.
- Admiral Anika
Wow, back in the days of floppies, my hs teachers always and only wanted paper copies.
- Andrew C
No, Andrew, we had to turn in the paper, but the point for me of bringing in the floppy was to "show" them where the paper was. I'd get excused to go to the library to try to print it out. In that time, I'd usually just write the paper.
- Admiral Anika
Ah. I'm not nearly a fast enough writer for a plan like that.
- Andrew C
well she could have easily given the answer that everyone expected to hear.. good to see she stood up for what she believed instead of giving into the crowd...(surprised!)
- Sherif Mansour
I'm not sure there was an answer that everyone expected to hear. I think most people, with that particular question, would answer their belief and I'm just sad that her belief differs from mine.
- Kevin Fox
I don't get why you'd be sad she has a different belief from you, Kevin. Different opinions is what makes the world go 'round, helps us grow. But, MUCH more important: the question was framed so stupidly. One may not believe in same-sex marriage within a particular religious framework, but that says nothing about enabling same-sex couples to get married legally.
- Anthony Citrano
At least she made an argument, seems logical. Wrong, but logical.
- Mike Reynolds
WOW! always amazed by the stupidity of people.
- clarke thomas
Clarke... especially the stupidity of people who are held up as role models
- LogEx
What bothers me most is that her reason is "that is the way I was raised". I wish she would have expanded more so that I could understand better whether she has personal reasons for her beliefs or whether it is really just what she believes because that is what she was told to believe since she was a child (which I personally don't believe is a good enough reason).
- Rachel Lea Fox
"No offense to anyone out there but I believe, because it's the way I was raised, that you shouldn't have the same rights as I have". The "the way I was raised" argument is such a tremendous load of BS.
- Jeff Jones
BTW, what I got from her answer was that she was glad that same-sex couples COULD get married, and followed with a description of what marriage meant to her. And why do we care, again? She was running for Miss USA, not Congress.
- Anthony Citrano
And yea, the "in my country" thing was the best part.
- Anthony Citrano
The judge who asked the question is celebrity gossip blogger Perez Hilton, who is gay. He looks quite crushed/disappointed at her answer.
- Jess Lee
Anthony, I'm sad that she believes in something that, in my opinion, is discriminatory. If I shared her view then I wouldn't be sad, so it's equivalent to say that I'm sad because she holds what is in my mind a discriminatory view as it is to say that I'm sad because her belief on this issue differs from my own. I would not, for example, be sad if she said her favorite color was orange while my own is blue because our favorite colors are irrelevant to each other.
- Kevin Fox
she gave her opinion. that's what they asked for. I'm sure she doesn't care if 2 dudes want to get married or 2 girls want to get hitched. but she was asked a question and she answered it.
- Morgan Haley
How is it discriminatory, Kevin? I listened to what she said. She said she is glad she lives in a country where same sex couples can marry. But her personal vision of marriage is heterosexual. What's wrong with that? My personal vision of great sex is heterosexual, but that doesn't mean I think men - or women - should not be free to have sex with one another. I'm not understanding the (rather hysterical) logical leap here. (Nor, as you'll see in my feed, why we care.)
- Anthony Citrano
Anthony, I interpreted her statement to mean that she appreciated that states could go with the will of the people, rather than that she directly supported the rights of gays to marry. Her comments were vague at best, perhaps intentionally so.
- LogEx
She was asked whether she thought every state should follow Vermont in legalizing same-sex marriage. Her reply was, "Well I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage and, you know what? In my country, and in my family I think that- I believe that a marriage should be between a man and...
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- Kevin Fox
(cont'd) I interpreted her answer as saying that she's proud to live in a country where the people could decide whether same-sex marriage should be legal, and that she thinks that it should not be. If you interpret her answer as saying that she's proud to live in a country where anyone can marry anyone, but she would only marry a man then she's both dodging the question and is seriously...
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- Kevin Fox
totally for world peace. and while being a world class piece.
- Morgan Haley
and can we all agree that while she is less than perfect, at least she's better than miss teen nc from a couple years ago?
- Morgan Haley
Damn Perez Hilton looked like he was going to cry
- Rodfather
that's because his butt plug battery died
- Morgan Haley
@Morgan - that was Miss Teen SC, I believe. @Kevin - I hear you, and I think LE is right that it's just vague. I doubt, honestly, that she really knows what she thinks. And that's... OK. As I said earlier, why we pretend to care is just beyond me.
- Anthony Citrano
We've all gotten that much older, it just isn't polite to point it out to adults. ;) You are correct that Camilla does look like a young lady in her pictures, though.
- Clare Dibble
I haven't seen you guys in way too long. She'll be going to the prom soon. :-)
- Daniel Dulitz
"Douglas Merrill has today stepped down from his roles as President of Digital and COO of EMI New Music and will be leaving the company."
- Simon
from Bookmarklet
"It is from a bakery in emmaus, pennsylvania called granny schmidt’s. The outside was made of fondant and the inside is red velvet cake."
- Rachel Lea Fox
from Bookmarklet
After seeing the 'Steve^H^H^H^H^HLightning McQueen car interior biology' post, this one made me think of the 'guts' inside a Nikon.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, I think the McQueen you're looking for is "Lightning." Ka-chow! And now that you mention the Nikon guts, it kinda reminds me of a steak in there.
- Keith Pelczarski
Keith: I thought that sounded strange when I wrote it. Fixed (kinda).
- Kevin Fox
Oh I know what to get my Mom for her birthday next year. She's a photographer.
- Molly, "sorry"
"Brian Rakowski walks to the whiteboard in a small conference room in Building 41 on Google's Mountain View campus. A lanky, gregarious man in his twenties, Rakowski is the product manager of a top-secret project that's been under way for more than two years."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
@john: alleyinsider is the last source i will trust as to whether it is going or not going to happen. But, really, as @slippy says, choice FTW! The rest will just pan out.
- Ashwin Bharambe
That picture is great. It looks like a band photo.
- Andrew
Internets are the new rock'n'roll, Andrew, didn't you hear?
- Slappy Line
The photographer, Joe Pugliese, has a great website: http://www.joepug.com/ In fact it's so great I haven't got round to reading the Wired article yet
- Adewale Oshineye
Enjoyable read except for this completely bizarre paragraph -- "Not long after that, Brin and Page came by to check in on the furtive beginnings of their browser. "I remember sitting at my desk, which at the time had a stuffed snake running along the back of it," says Pam Greene, an engineer on the team. "Sergey was bouncing on one of those exercise balls, watching Darin give a demo, and petting the snake."
- Osi
"The snake, called Mr. Bigglesworth, seemed to purr softly in Sergey's lap, providing a calming influence during the demo. However, when one of the tabs crashed, taking the browser with it, Sergey's voice took a more strident turn. "I have gathered here before me the world's best developers," Sergey began, "and yet each of you has failed to kill Internet Explorer. That makes me angry. And when Sergey gets angry, Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset. And when Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset, people die!"
- Karim
Sergey then pressed a nearby console button that retracted Darin's chair into the floor below. A flash of flame could be seen as the screaming developer vanished from the conference room.
- Karim
Somebody help me!" Darin pleads. "I'm alive, only very badly burned!" This proves to be very distracting, and after being interrupted several times, Sergey picks up his phone, and reports the situation to a henchman. "I'll go deal with it," he assures Sergey. "If someone opens the retrieval hatch, I can get out," Darin explains. At this point, the hatch opens. Darin is at first grateful, but then a gunshot is heard.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
After a pause, Sergey is satisfied Darin is dead and attempts to continue explaining his plan, only be interrupted by Darin again, who says indignantly "you shot me! You shot me right in the arm! Why did you-". Darin sentence is cut short by a second gunshot, which proves to be the end for him, as the hatch is heard to close. (http://www.moviedeaths.com/austin_...)
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Google’s Chrome is aimed at Windows, not IE This is no longer about browser but about the an entire marketplace spread between desktop, mobile and web. With Chrome, Google’s taking a shot at Windows, not paltry Internet Explorer I’ve covered this in more detail on my blog http://sachendra.wordpress.com/2008...
- Sachendra
The point of Chrome is the same point one would make about the iPhone. Will iPhone outsell Nokia worlwide in total number of phones sold? Not a chance in hell! Has it changed the face of mobile phones forever...absolutely. This is where I think Chrome is a fantastic concept. By open sourcing D8 Google has literally empowered every other browser including Safari and Firefox to be Windows...
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- John Kotsaftis
from feedalizr
I haven't been able to find many details about the V8 design, but it's apparently a straight JIT (no interpreter) with inline caching of property accessors. I didn't see anything about HotSpot/TraceMonkey-style optimizing compilation, and it doesn't seem to use any intermediate language. (http://code.google.com/apis...) Is this the future of dynamic language runtimes? Am I a nerd?
- Jim Norris
Nice to see Wired putting out a great article in a timely manner for a change - rather than spend page upon page talking about minor internet celebs and how they gatecrashed gawker media parties to build their fame.
- Jonathan Beckett
Jim, tracemonkey should still be faster. Paul friendfeeded an article comparing them. I should say that tracemonkey will still be faster eventually, unless V8 adds hotspot-like tracing as well, in which case, my money would ride on V8, since Google probably has half of the hotspot team :)
- Sanjeev Singh
Can I get one for the body as well as the face?
- Dion Almaer
Very interesting. Hope they post the download link soon so that we can all play with it.
- Brady Brim-DeForest
It seems as if the main problem with most people in the examples shown is their forehead is too short or too narrow. Wonder if there's a subtle clue that big brains are beautiful there! :)
- Fa La La La Lindsay
@Jason - that's an interesting concept. Would you be more likely to trust the girl on the left or right? Would you be more likely to talk to either one of them at a party (or more intimidated by either one?).
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Notice that for all the women they soften the jaw, while squaring it for men. Everyone also gets a slightly thinner face and upturned almost smiling lips.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@SB yeah and the forehead adjustment... almost like there is a triangle with the forehead at the point and they flip it so the chin is the bottom of the triangle... weird.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
They are different women! Blame Paul! : )
- Erhan Erdogan
Lindsay: whenever sketching generic faces, the face starts as an inverted triangle and the eyes appear a third of the way down from the top of the forehead; lips and nose appear below and above (respectively) a line 1/3 up from the chin. Looks like these pictures are rearranged to meet that particular school of drawing.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
That is interesting yet odd. Seems that the faces are slendered with the software.
- Jim Goldstein
from twhirl
I wonder what would come out of applying their algorithms to face of black or asian person? Different countries have different concepts of beauty.
- arty
This technology should be made available in eye glasses, just imagine how much better your work day can be!
- Claude Betancourt
Paul - Think you should definitely add the option. "Click here to be beautiful without the expense of plastic surgery! .... and you may even get more 'Likey's" :)"
- Charlie Anzman
Some of the stuff coming out of Siggraph this year is really freaky. How about combining this with the automatic video editing stuff? ;)
- Joe Beda ()
without a doubt amazing. It's incredible how subtle the changes are yet massive difference.
- Zee.
Huh, that's pretty crazy. Creepy, but cool. :)
- felix
I haven't read the paper, but I wonder if it adapts to different notions of "attractive" (that changes from culture to culture ...)
- Rui Pires
+1 @Claude I was thinking the same thing! Incorporate this software in wearable monitor glasses, and the whole world would be beautiful! I'll bet we can look for these on the shelves in the U.S. just before November. Social media and reality enhancement software have put Winston Smith out of a job.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Isn't this something these Japanese photo booth do since years?
- Tobias Boonstoppel
do i sense another manga-style meme starting?
- anna sauce
So, if it turns me into Gilbert Godfried... what does that mean?
- l0ckergn0me
You know, if these guys had gotten together with the realtime video+photo enhancement folks and approached the Beijing Olympic Comittee then that singing girl in the opening ceremonies might not have had to been replaced with a body double. (Yeah, I just brought three of this week's biggest memes together. I'll be here all week.)
- Kevin Fox
The artist proportions were laid out by the Greeks as the perfect human, that's not being used here. This beautification engine, I think, builds on top of a previous study where some students tried to mathematically identify attractiveness. They had participants rate the attractiveness of head shots from yearbooks. What they found was there was a high correlation b/w the geometrically "average" face and high attraction. That "average" is based on the proportions of the di
- xero
stances between the individual elements of the face and their relative sizes. IIRC the software adjusts elements so they statistically/geometrically complement each other. It's not actually working toward a golden set of proportions, but a set of proportions appropriate for the individual as defined by the masses. I wouldn't think of it as "facial discrimination" so much as "deviation from ones potential".
- xero
imagine if this were available in real-time installed into special glasses. sober beer goggles.
- Jess Lee
I'm waiting for the first Facebook application that automatically enhances your profile picture like this. Every social network should run this on the avatars. Beautiful people!
- Benedikt Koehler
Can you imagine the controversy if dating sites got a hold of this?
- xero
@paul automatically apply it to all profile photos, huh? are you sure you ready for results? check my picture - try to see wonderful cossacks writing infamous letter to Turkish Sultan :)
- A.T.
I wonder if they'll turn Mickey Mouse into Mighty Mouse
- Dave Q
this will have a lot of practical applications to create a (virtual) world of beautiful (or more acceptable facially) people.
- Apostolos Tsompanopoulos
Just a complicated high tech implementation of beer goggles.
- Hayes Haugen
"Xing, a 41 year-old man, was calling from LanTian park in the middle of the night. The lonely and disturbed man had apparently thought it would be fun to have sex with one of the steel sit-up benches around the park. The bench has numerous small holes in it, which Xing used to attempt to satisfy himself. However, once he became aroused he found that he was stuck and could not get his penis out of the small hole."
- Rich Bragg
from Bookmarklet
Wow, the article actually has pics. (He's tastefully draped, you don't see the penis.)
- ⓞnor
very cool. I just pulled up badminton live stream. they are showing JPN Sato/DEN Gade, now tied 1-1. very lively and excited crowd, indeed.
- David Vasileff
didn't even notice they have streams for all three courts. crowd must be cheering the GBR/CHN mixed doubles match - what a match. unbelievable. GBR down 17-12 in final game finish 9-2 to win 21-19. wow.
- David Vasileff
is jumping up and down in excitment outlawed by the government? the Chinese are a stoic people
- eviltom
And by 'Kevin's kitten' she means kitten that Rachel and I are fostering. Maddie (and Rocky) will be up for adoption at the Palo Alto Animal Services in a week or two. They're both amazingly cute and well behaved.
- Kevin Fox
I can has... awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...
- l0ckergn0me
You might want to double check Ana - you just may have caught crazy-cat-ladyitis when Janine and I crashed the FriendFeed sanctuary on Monday - the wifey is definetly a crazy cat lady virus carrier!!
- Steve C
so cute. is the cat going to be at the next happy hour?
- Charles Hudson
Sadly no Charles. I thought about bringing them to the last one, but Maddie doesn't do so well with big crowds. She was loving Ana though... and Ana, one cat does not a crazy cat lady make. Just think about it. ;) Both kittens were so tired after their FriendFeed outing they both feel asleep when we got home. Rock is currently asleep on my foot, its too cute!
- Rachel Lea Fox