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Blog Post Ideas That Always Generate Buzz - http://thefuturebuzz.com/2009...
Nicholas James, Francisco Kemeny, Bill Romanos and 16 other people liked this
"With so much talk about use of the newer platforms, I thought it would be worthwhile to throw some blog post ideas at you that never go out of style and always generate buzz. These should be applicable to any niche"
- Erhan Erdogan
May I say I absolutely adore JungleDisk. I believe I've found my online backup favorite. It's been a long search.
Robert Wheeler, David Peake, Daniel Rowley and 13 other people liked this
How much stuff are you backing up? Doesn't it get expensive?
- Rafe Needleman
from twhirl
Rafe: You can calculate the price using the S3 online tool at http://bit.ly/wkUQw -- you pay directly for the S3 storage. The problem for me is more slow upload speeds than costs.
- Woodrow Jarvis Hill
Likewise! I absolutely LOVE Jungle Disk and I've been using it since sometime last year. I have a total of ~50GB backed up and only update/backup 1-3GBs a month (if even that) and the money I'm paying each month is negligible.
- Philip
Don't try backing up your photos, music and home videos though. If you really lead a digital lifestyle, you'll have thousands of photos, lots of music and lots of GB of home videos (hey, my Kodak Zi6 fills up 1-16GB every time I plug it to sync with the computer). Hard drive space is dirt cheap (1 TB for less than $100) but try backing up to Jungle Disk, you'll go broke. If it's worth having, it's worth backing up no? Until I can backup a TB or more online and afford it, this is of no use...
- Odi Kosmatos
For the record, in 2008, I had successfully backed up my most important 650GB to Keepvault.com (it took months to upload) and the price was $100 per year. But at the end of the year they said "Sorry, our unlimited data backup plan is being eliminated.". It was too good to be true...
- Odi Kosmatos
Yikes, using the calculator tool above, it seems storing 1 TB is $3000 a month. I could buy one 1 TB drive a day for that price and bring one off-site to my workplace every morning, indefinitely, for the same price.
- Odi Kosmatos
It's not about storing terabytes of data, it's about storing essentials away somewhere else. Think safety deposit box and not self-storage sheds.
- Erik Garcia
Me personally, I don't have that much digital media to store, but I do have mountains of source code I'd rather not lose which I back up with a couple free online storage solutions on a regular basis. If you're a digital photographer or a podcaster or movie maker, part of _your_ job/business involves being responsible for maintaining archives of whatever 'knowledge work' you generate.
- Erik Garcia
I have about 70GB up on Amazon too, but I'm about to reduce it down to my 4 + 5 star images only.
- Ryan
@ Odi: 30-35GB of the 50GB that are backed up on Jungle Disk are pictures & music. My music collection doesn't grow that quickly and neither does my photo gallery so what you're saying isn't the case for everyone. The most I've paid with a ton of uploading is maybe $8 but usually my monthly bill is $1-2/month.
- Philip
So how important is a Facebook account anyway?
Rob Boek, Colin Clarke, PENGUIN: MAJOR CAPS LOCK and 43 other people liked this
Definitely for most, less valuable than a Twitter account. Again, for most.
- Amir
Quiet important for me... but I more on twitter ;)
- PIPSGuy
IMHO this is the wrong demo to ask. There are more Facebook users than Twitter users.
- Jorge Escobar
I have reconnected with dozens of people on Facebook, most of whom I have not had contact with in 25+ years. They are far more important to me than the friends I have on Twitter.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
It depends on what you use it for. I could close mine tomorrow, and not really miss it. It's a secondary thing for me. I've been online so long, I've always traded email addresses with people first, and still do, if I wish to remain in contact.
- Ian May
I'm with Glen. My real life friends are on Facebook. People I will go out and have a beer with. People with whom I feel comfortable sharing my phone number and address. I can't say that about a single other website.
- Andrew
It's great for connecting with your real-life friends, but not quite as good for reaching a wider-range audience like you can do with Twitter.
- Jonathan Brown
from twhirl
I don't understand why everyone is freaking out - I can probably locate the same info on a person via google as what FB 'owns' now. Plus, all of these EULA are subject to legal review once a case hits. Last, how many people read the EULA for games, software, email, and everything else. Google owns more of your data than most know
- John Head
from twhirl
I've been online over 20 years, back when it was JUST email, so I guess that's why I've always given it more importance. It's still the thing I ask now. "want to meet up for a beer next week? Here's my email address".
- Ian May
LOL> I was muttering to my wife about friend suggestion, as it keeps suggesting people I don't know. They're often in my city, but there's 250K in the metro area, dunno how many on FB.
- Ian May
I keep it for staying in touch with friends basically.
- Nation Hahn
Amir H. I'd be much more inconvenienced to not have Twitter than FB. Twitter is so quick and seamless between desktop and mobile
- Ian May
FB is as important to me as those discount cards that you get from stores you don't frequent.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Only as important as your personal brand on the internet. You need to control your name and information. Even though you don't want to have a .net domain you still buy it just in case someone else does it and try to impersonate you.
- CW™
The answer to that question should be a wake-up call to people who are so deeply entrenched in a closed service that doesn't respect users' rights and interests... The Hotel Facebook... You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
- LogEx
Having a Facebook is not "as important as your personal brand on the internet." Does my facebook even show up in Google? It's too closed to be that powerful in building your presence. Also, nobody can impersonate you very well unless you're half-assed with your social engagement.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
The only reason I have a FB account is to communicate with my employees. Its about the only messaging system they notice.
- ThePicMan
How important are any of these accounts, really? It's a controlled simulacrum.
- deusdiabolus
It all depends on where the people who you socially network with are. If they are on Facebook very important but if they are not then it's not that important
- Rob Cairns
I do not have the FB account. I always viewed FB as "gated community". I don't see it important... as of yet :)
- Nilesh
How important? Almost all my university friends are there, almost all my highschool friends are there, many work collegues are there. It's important.
- Richard A.
It's true. Facebook is more interactive in most ways than Twitter, making it a better place to connect w/ friends.
- Amir
FB and Twitter have generation gaps. Twitter is preferred by people that want to say it or comment and get on with it. This includes 30 somethings and older folks. Younger people and people that see FB as the home page and have time or want to spent time filling it with there stuff. They both service different needs and I cant tell you which will last longer in either. The fact that twitter is easier to block/hide spamers and ads also appeals to some people as well.
- walterh
However, it generally depends on how you use social networking and you views on social media.
- Amir
Facebook will last longer, it's a portal type website. With Twitter you can't even finish a thought without running out of characters.
- Richard A.
my facebook account is extremely important because it's the #1 way that I stay connected to my friends online
- Rajiv Doshi
IMHO Facebook is important for me too because the general population of the Internet (& friends) lean toward FB.
- Amir
Facebook is for people with time to kill. I find it requires way more of mine than I'm willing to give. That's why I prefer Twitter anf Friendfeed which fit into MY lifestyle rather than make me fit into theirs, as Facebook does.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
After taking a closer look at Facebook's terms of use I am not so sure about its prominence in my online space. The terms go too far and that has implications for my content everywhere. I published a post with my analysis of the problematic terms here: http://webtechlaw.com/what-fa...
- Paul Jacobson
from twhirl
Paul Jacobson: Yes. To much controversey leads me to believe that my privacy is at risk. W/ Twitter privacy becomes less of an issue.
- Amir
The reason for the existence of my FB account is because that's where my friends are.
- Amir
Atleast w/ Twitter I don't have to regard its terms of use before posting content.
- Amir
It's not important. It's just fun, nothing more. If it was important, we'd all be paying for the service. When it comes to free, I don't expect anything and take it for what it's worth
- Mike
as much or as little as you put into it
- sofarsoShawn
FB is the #1 way I stay connected online with most of my less tech saavy friends, family & colleagues. In addition to being a virtual HS & long lost friend reunion.
- Victor
I could live without Facebook quite happily.
- Kol Tregaskes
I found I could live without Facebook after 24 hrs of using it some years ago. Promptly deleted.
- Thomas Bøhm
from Friend Deck
I laugh as I say this, yeah but you're not a recent graduate and it's frustrating for you to use facebook none of your generation are there ;-)
- Richard A.
I hate facebook. Use it only to keep up with "old" friends. But it makes me feel retrospective and filthy....and not in a good way.
- Paul Greer
I don;t like facebook and don't go on there too much. Wish everyone would leave facebook and join other social networks.
- Luke Addison
from twhirl
It would be important if it were the only site I checked but I am active across many sites across the Internet :)
- Joe Dawson
So you wish you'd have to surf to twenty websites rather than just one?
- Richard A.
For all those who use Facebook as a way to connect with people they lost contact with, isn't the key to that being as high up the google results as possible? I've never used facebook and do just fine. If I don't know people now, there is a reason for it and don't wanna get poked by them, or any of that rubbish.
- Dom Barnes
To everyone who keeps saying "just google them": 1) You have to actually remember their name to google them. (FB suggests friends in common). 2) For some people, without FB they won't even apepar in a google result set. Look I don't like FB that much but it's the only way I can keep in touch with some of my close friends who are far less geeky.
- KyleHase
from twhirl
To me not very important. I keep in contact with close friends in other ways.The worst is that I opened an account and within days I was invited by a couple of people I knew years ago. I don't know why they were searching for me anyway. If we have not been in touch for years there must be reasons. I just don't see the point.
- M F
Whether or not it is important really is up to you in the end. I have another opinion on some of these social networks and sign-up more than anything for security reasons. Even If I don' t participate much, at least I' ve blocked a profile for myself and can ensure (to some extent) that I am avoiding identity theft through those services.
- Thomas V. Fischer
from twhirl
Like many others here, Facebook is mostly for the people I've met in person: friends from school, work, etc. Most of them do NOT have Twitter accounts. For me, Twitter is a great way to interact online with people who share similar interests but I'm likely to never meet.
- Herb Hernandez
I don't have many friends, but I have lots of folks who follow my blogs and tweets. That is why I use Friendfeed. I don't even have a Facebook account.
- Jim Corkrum
Very important to be since all my college and high school friends are on it. They don't really get this Twitter thing. :(
- Daynah
I wouldn't lose any sleep if Facebook went away tomorrow. I don't find it especially valuable.
- Thomas Hawk
I only have an account so I can run Facebook ads... I find little to no value. Even the ads have a very poor CTR%
- andy brudtkuhl
It's been handy for connecting w/ family and some friends, but it's nothing I would lament losing.
- JA Castillo
How do you delete or get your Facebook account deleted? (I don't mean deactivated)
- Paul Grav
I agree....Twitter account is more important.
- John Flynn
where I live in Canada, no one knows what Twitter is other than CNN... but everyone has a Facebook account: it's how events are planned, status messages are traded, pictures and videos are shared, and how we gossip... Twitter is irrelevant in my local community
- Brad Arsenault
from twhirl
twitter is getting bigger every day
- Street season
I've actually just de-activated my Facebook - really can't be bothered with it anymore - got a lot more new sites/socail networks to work on. Facebook is becoming old IMHO!
- Luke Addison
from twhirl
I just post to it through ping.fm - love my twitter and tumblr and now blip!
- Pop Art Diva
One less site for ping.fm to update?
- Mattb4rd
Not very. I can go months without looking at it. Maybe if the interface didn't completely blow.
- Anika
Another colossal waste of time
- Alan Morris
Deeper Facebook issue: it's a walled garden, & FB controls rules completely. Don't like that? Don't put your data there. That's why I don't.
Jack Frizzell, Brian Rainey, Mitsuki Tanaka and 53 other people liked this
Imagine in 30 years when all these people are trying to get jobs that have an intense scrutiny of every joint ever held, every beer ever drunk. It'll all still be there!
- Don Schuetze
Trying to construct my utopia for a post-Facebook online social world, I think it has to be based on user-controlled domains (or portable subdomains), easy setup of widgets that use open protocols for communication and sharing, and granular privacy controls (with options like Picasa's authkey AND like Flickr's login requirement). But I also have to be able to put my own arbitrary HTML and JavaScript on it (take note, Google Sites team).
- LogEx
If in 30 years, they're going to have to live in a world where a joint and a beer make so much difference, as opposed to their ability or the person they've become, then we have far more serious issues to worry about.
- Robin Barooah
@Robin - I have a feeling my parents said those exact words back in 1979. And perhaps their parents before them in 1949.
- DeWitt Clinton
duh? except the TOS wasn't revealed till now, but you must be prophet
- sofarsoShawn
Totally agree with Matt here. I don't, either.
- Roberto Bonini
I think all web properties are walled gardens to some extent. Google could flip a switch tomorrow and all my email would be gone. My data needs to live in a container I own and I give permissions to services to access it. That's how I hope (and expect) web services to evolve.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, Gmail supports easy export of your email and has for years. You can access it via POP or IMAP. Just fire up Thunderbird and you'll have a local copy of your email. Facebook doesn't make it easy to get your stuff out of FB. That's the difference in my mind.
- Matt Cutts
I'am agree. YouTube remove my videos when i delete my account, true?
- Dario Salvelli
Yes, good discussion. I get value at facebook so ... I leave my data.
- Gerd Leonhard
Facebook invited youth to get in on this bandwagon.. and they know young people are stupid.
- Jason Francis
Chris White: If you (or anyone else for that matter) have something to hide or don't want "strangers" to know about, don't share it. Can it get any simpler than that?
- Umit Namli
@dewitt - I think they are just a true today as they were then. It's absurd how much human potential is lost worrying about stuff like this. Perhaps the way to overcome it is for enough people to share about how they really live that the discrimination becomes impossible.
- Robin Barooah
@Matt - agreed, that's what's cool about gmail. but to get my full vision in action I need to have my own imap server and use gmail as the value added interface to that. for full action would need multiple imap servers synced to each other so if one goes away i have a hot backup. Now how to make that work easily for the average consumer?
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, Gmail provides the IMAP interface, so as long as you run Thunderbird, you can have a copy of all your Gmail. I think Outlook can download email via IMAP too? So I don't think the bar is too high for an average person to export their data.
- Matt Cutts
Which is the best virtual drive that is compatible with Macs out there? Was using LiveDrive, but it's only fully functional on PCs.
Kol Tregaskes, Jon McCoubrey and Walt Ruppar liked this
I'm using JungleDisk. Works pretty well for me.
- Tim Peter
Thanks Tim! Checking it out now.
- Shevonne
You should give a try to Dropbox http://getdropbox.com ...Not only a network drive but offers much more important syncing functionality, cross computer syncs, shared areas, public web based access area, automatic photo albums. It's powered by Amazon S3 and bright developers from MIT. I think it's the uber-cool product of 2008 from that year's hottest start-up.
- Berk D. Demir
agreed, I've been testing it for a little and cross-computer syncs works great!
- xavier vespa
Is getdropbox unlimited storage space?
- TrafficBug
I use jungledisk for archival and dropbix for "hot" content
- Deepak Singh
Shevonne you should ask in the apple room - you'll get loads more feedback
- Zee.
If you can spare the cash for MobileMe, I find iDisk works really well. Or, if you don't mind getting your hands dirty, you can DIY an iDisk: http://www.tnpi.net/wiki...
- Paul Grav
@TrafficBug - DropBox allows 2GB for their free service; more than that has a cost associated with that.
- JA Castillo
The Newspaper Reporter of the Future is Here Today - http://www.micropersuasion.com/2009...
Thomas Hawk, pg holmlov, Ian Betteridge and 14 other people liked this
I think everyone knows (or thinks) this is the future -- but the fundamental question is how does Peter Abraham (and those like him) make enough money to pay him to live, pay for his iphone, pay for his blog hosting, pay for his plane tickets to Florida and pay for his accommodation while there?
- Brian Sullivan
Agreed. That's the real issue. Would Abraham's blog pay for the access needed to make his insights so valuable? Will teams like the Yankees start footing the bill for beat writers to cover the team, which obviously helps market the team? Naturally, that raises a host of other issues.
- Peeta
And if newspapers are going to be any kind of organization beyond the reporter you have to pay for his boss, his bosses boss, the building he works in and the infrastructure to support it. If this is true -- then the future is just the past with an an iphone and a blog.
- Brian Sullivan
Blogging, micropublishing. All of this is just the writing down and cataloguing of the thoughts and conversations people have been having since the beginning of time. And notification, transmission is instant. The major change I foresee is the migration towards so-called A-listers or Content Editors.
- Andrew Ruess
from IM
steve, good one...and you are right big opportunities and more and more reporters doing exactly this. I heard that 95% of the top 100 US newspapers have reporters blogging or doing video and Facebook etc...so you can see the trend is on its way
- Richard Binhammer
@Richard, exactly. This is covered in my trends paper. See trend #2 - Media Reforestation.
- Steve Rubel
Doesn't the newspaper's legacy and brand give him a boost?
- Steve Rubel
Jason -- the answer is that there can't be 100 Yankee sports writers - nor can there be 1000++ photographers and reporters sent to the Olympics but even if you cut it down by one or two orders of magnitude and eliminate all other layers of management and infrastructure and cost there probably still is not enough money to made on the web to support this style of reporting(unless you imagine or invent a vastly different structure for flow of money than exists today).
- Brian Sullivan
Steve -- how long will the brands of newspapers have any value? If they go belly up I think not very long.
- Brian Sullivan
There's no way with today's level of audience that a blogger could make the same amount of money, but if we're assuming that trad. media is going away, won't the readership of blogs go up? Maybe it could work.
- Mr. Gunn
I think I have to agree with Charles Arthur's comment on the thread: "where's the money coming from?"
- Ian Betteridge
“You Have Zero Privacy Anyway. Get Over It”–That Goes Double on Social Networks:http://kara.allthingsd.com/2009021...
Nicholas James, Zax Stevens, A.T. and 11 other people liked this
Its not about privacy, its about ownership.
- Mel Buckpitt
Privacy means a degree of ownership over other people's resources, whether it's their computer or their minds or both. It means you control how much information that refers to your person is available through the resources of others. On the other hand, ownership of your own information resources (costly) is a chance but not a guarantee of control over your personal data.
- Kostantinos Koukopoulos
privacy, as well as its ownership, means how far people are ready to go in "sell your own meat" vs "take your fingers off" game. If protest is high and causes queue of shark lawyers to jump on facebook -- that will be a win for people. Tho in the long run, people will loose eventually.
- A.T.
New blog post: The Database of Intentions is More Valuable than the Database of Musings For Now (Google and Twitter) http://tinyurl.com/ ...
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http://www.charleshudson.net/the-dat... is the URL.
- Robert Scoble
Good points. One thing, if I Tweet "we're having a baby" does anhything happen? Not today. In the future? Absolutely. Why? Because that kicks off a whole lot of buying behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Along the lines of what Scoble says, I find it highly ironic that a service that is mostly about capturing real-time thoughts / intent might end up relying on passive prompting to drive the business. When you search on Google, you know what you're looking for - it's up to Google to figure out intent and connect you with the right resource. If you were to tweet your mood, you might not be looking for anything in particular - that doesn't mean that you wouldn't respond to a relevant offer.
- Charles Hudson
@scoble - it's happening already - just very manual: http://elapsedtime.blogspot.com/2009...
- hunter walk
Intentions are comparable to mood and musings are comparable to temperament. The former is only valid for now. The latter is valid forever.
- Todd Hoff
There was a time when the 'RN' command, or dejanews.com was the most valuable resource I could find for information. I could not say the same thing for searching Twitter. New communication channels are being invented all the time, and twitter is only the latest. I spent tons of time on IRC before the web even existed, and even then, information content retrieval was more valuable, especially with bots and DCC. Many in the "web 2.0" blogosphere are hyping up microblogging too much.
- Ray Cromwell
A better way to say it is, if Google couldn't build a financial empire on DejaNews content search, I doubt anyone is going to do it for twitter.
- Ray Cromwell
ClikBall: A Slick New Way to Share Links, From the Creator of Userscripts.org - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Nicholas James, Daniel Rowley, Jon McCoubrey and 5 other people liked this
Yay clikball! Hitting the mainstream (sort of).
- Brandon Titus
Nice one Brandon :)
- Jesse Andrews
Peek - Simply email. - http://www.getpeek.com/pingfm...
ozgur koca and Jon McCoubrey liked this
woah. anyone tried this unlimited text and email device. $20 per month. seems ideal for the young super connected set
- @baratunde
from Bookmarklet
Good idea!
- Shailesh S. Khandekar
Mark Zuckerberg Speaks Out About New Terms of Service As Users Cry Fowl - http://www.allfacebook.com/2009...
Nicholas James, Bryan Villarin, Rajiv Doshi and 12 other people liked this
Zuckerberg is totally sidestepping the issue that people are most annoyed about which is the unlimited license you now grant to Facebook for your images and other tangible content. I don't think most people are too worried about how mail messages are handled.
- Jeff P. Henderson
This has made matters worse. Contrast this with Adobe's response for their on-line TOS faux-paux. When it comes to confidentiality and ownership of rights its best to admit the mistake rather than be defensive. I am sure 10 mins in an lawyers office could have come up with TOS that met FB's true business aims. On reflection perhaps these TOS do meet their aims.
- Mel Buckpitt
I have to admit that I didn't register this at first because I thought FB would quickly clarify a la Adobe. Sticking with the "Yeah, we do own everything" position wasn't the reaction I expected. Zuck says but "Over time we will continue to clarify our positions and make the terms simpler," but that just reminded me of the panel where FB talked about working with Friend Connect over time: http://bit.ly/dbzeE . This is why I never do anything over on Facebook; I'm not sure I'll be able to get any data out.
- Matt Cutts
Strangely, what he says makes sense. And the fact is, Internet law is the "wild west" right now. It's being written (and will continue to be written) as we go along. Why? Mark sums it up in this carefully worded sentence: "These two positions are at odds with each other." Exactly. You and I and all the other millions of users are going to be (and are) part of a vast number of many conflict of interests that are being created daily by the system of sharing information we now have.
- Melanie Reed
He used an awful lot of words to say nothing. Talking in circles...
- Kevin Gamble
An engineering terms refers to it as pissing in the wind :-)
- Richard A.
I'm going to let @SarahLane try to talk me out of closing my Facebook account tomorrow on net@night. Plus Gina Trapani from Lifehacker.
Benno, Dobromir Hadzhiev, Bryan Villarin and 5 other people liked this
Just Close it Leo. I believe we will just continue to see FB make these types of decisions.
- glenn frasier
from twhirl
why bother closing it? Just don't use it:-)
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
I only tend to use my account to see what my friends who are not on twitter or FriendFeed are doing.
- Wizetux
The Missing Google Analytics Manual - http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009...
Nakeva Corothers, tomit, Dobromir Hadzhiev and 9 other people liked this
Twitter changes everything. The world just got faster. Detailed thoughts and observations here: http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_sp...
Nicholas James, Jon McCoubrey, Kenichi Matsumoto and 3 other people liked this
Twitter Professors: 18 People to Follow for a Real Time Education - http://mashable.com/2009...
Nicholas James, Benno, Zax Stevens and 4 other people liked this
Great advice from @garyvee about taking criticism http://garyvaynerchuk.com/2009...
Jon McCoubrey and Robert Scoble liked this
Re: Tech Event List: The Best Tech Events Across the US - http://blog.adaptiveblue.com/...
Jon McCoubrey and Katy Pearce liked this
"Ok great, Detroit has been added. Thanks for the info!"
- Fraser
They should add the events from my calendar, which on first look is a lot more complete: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/user...
- Robert Scoble
Mark Zuckerberg’s Official Response to Facebook’s Change in Terms of Use - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Roney Smith, Daniel Rowley, Kol Tregaskes and 6 other people liked this
Tweet This: Techmeme Sources Twitter for Story Tips - http://bub.blicio.us/tweet-t...
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Industry Moves: Google Exec Katie Jacobs Stanton Joins Obama Administration - http://www.paidcontent.org/entry...
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Why do I think citizen participation is going to mean a lot of watching and listening and a little voting, for a lucky few -- question asking.
- Dave Winer
WTF! Incredibly slimming down [27 PICS] - http://dilidoo.com/2009...
Jon McCoubrey, Alex, Ari Braginsky and 3 other people liked this
245lbs was enough for me! Manage to lose 55lbs, hope to do more. TLC has done a lot of shows on this, and its scary!
- David Slater
True or False: As much as they deny it, guys like girls that are high maintenance.
Daniel Miessler, Jesper Kjær Hansen, Nicholas James and 43 other people liked this
false
- Rob Sellen :o)
true...
- Bindu Reddy
False
- Christopher Harley
false
- John Deisher
False, but then I might just be denying it. ;)
- Brad Butner
from twhirl
true, they want to show off who's holding onto their arm like a trophy. A total ego thing.
- sofarsoShawn
i am and i do. so umm, true for me.
- Carlos Ayala
OH HELL NO.
- Internet's Tad
young true, older and wiser false.
- sean808080
FALSE and FALSE.
- Michael Forian
Guys want girls who look like high maintenance but act like low maintenance.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina nails it.
- Internet's Tad
god, i hope not.
- nakachi
tralse
- Kevin Johnson
interesting to know your ages...what relationship experince you have had... not in depth..just.. you know. sean808080 said it best i think lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
False, but to each his own.
- Victor Ganata
Depends on what you consider high maintenance. Materialistic high maintenance or emotional high maintenance?
- Trish R
false.
- Nathan Rein
False. The more important question is is Mona high or low maintenence?
- ld
Tina is our new champion.
- EricaJoy
Thanks Tad. Not my first time at this rodeo ;-)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The winner is @Stupid Blogger! TRUE (sorta)
- Glenn Batuyong
Trish - either or / or both.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
You date the high maintenance ones. You marry the low maintenance ones (if you are lucky)
- Andrew Leyden
false
- Dennis O'Neil
false
- ronin
I like being spoiled but I don't expect it every day b/c I know how hard it is to work & save money so when I am spoiled I make sure hubby knows it's appreciated. That's high maintenance in both sides ;)
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
from BuddyFeed
High maintenance is okay, but it can be highly annoying at times. I'm going to say it's a bit of both.
- Christian (Simply X)
Bah, false. I don't look at women like a financial investment.I like the ones I like, and damned be the investment
- Mo Kargas
So waht about emotionally high maintenance?
- Mona Nomura
from IM
false....:o) emotional one is the worse.
- Rob Sellen :o)
hahahhahahhaha
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I'm not answering that :)
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Ok, so I am low maintenance (emotionally and materialistically). I either: a) pick the wrong ones or b) am too low maintenance because my super duper high maintenance gfs are in really good relationships, while I always end up screwed haha. According to them, guys really like high maintenance chicks.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
maybe like tina said... act like that at times... ;o) IE when its appropiate for the ego stroke! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
False! Totally false. Yet I'm engaged to a high maintenance girl. Sigh...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
No, that's the thing - I LOOK high maintenance but I'm not. But I am doing something wrong because I end up with selfish jerks LOL
- Mona Nomura
from IM
guys dont know wtf they want.
- Carlos Ayala
Oh I knew exactly what I wanted. I went out and got it. Now I have it and I'm happy.
- Internet's Tad
I don't care what I want, it's about what I need
- Bwana ☠
looking and seeming it are to different things ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
HELL, no. A girl that is high-maintenance just means she's a pain in the ass and expects me to do everything for her without doing the same in return. If I want something high-maintenance, I'll get a vintage car or buy Twitter.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
False
- Morton Fox
TWITTER LOL!!!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
lol @ rahsheen for twitter... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
FALSE!
- donato
Mutual low maintenance has worked for us for danged near 41 years.
- Marvin Smith
Tina and Andrew nailed it methinks.
- Sally Church
How do your super duper high-maintenance gfs pick their bfs? Are the guys high-maintenance too?
- Jim Norris
size of wallet? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
bingo.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Then they deserve each other, quite frankly!
- Sally Church
lol @ sally!
- Rob Sellen :o)
Sally ++ hahahahha
- Mona Nomura
from IM
False.
- Keith - @tsudo
False... here's proof.... My wife, on her first date, wanted to go to Wendy's.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
False.
- Anthony Baker
this discussion baffles me. how could anyone like someone who was high maintenance? takes all kinds, i guess.
- Nathan Rein
I forgot what the question was ~ lol per Rasheen's Twitter zinger. And on vintage car thing, how can you forget the line/scene, "When Cameron was in Egypt's land...let my Cameron go!" http://www.imdb.com/title... (yes, this is random, as my mind is free to wander having a non-high maintenance relationship)
- Micah Wittman
for the record...i cant stand high maintenance chicks.
- Carlos Ayala
Is it possible low maintenance attracts guys who are lazy in the romance dept?
- Shirley Wu
I still say there's a difference between looking high maintenance and acting high maintenance The two may often go hand in hand, but they don't have to.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I agree Tina.. as I said earlier. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
False - less work is more
- Jim Goldstein
false
- Threepwood
false!
- sean percival
Guys digging high-maintenance chicks is one of those falsehoods promoted by romance comedies.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
ONLY for so long spidra..experience tells me that ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Spidra Not all of us. I don't put up with BS from anyone but my relatives, and that's only because they'll cause me even more grief. (Some days, I think I was born into a clan of internet trolls. Other days, I know.)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Absolutely false....at least for me. High maintenance = issue-fest.
- Chris Luckhardt
i think it depends on how you define maintenance. i love the spa, totally moisturize head to toe, love bliss scrubs, good lingerie, to be dressed well. guys seem to be ok with this kind of high maintenance. the drama type though no.
- Patricia
bring on the high maintenance chicks!
- Carlos Ayala
I've never seen any pictures of low maintenance women posted here by any men.
- Trish R
what would a low one "look" like?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Like Mona, presumably.
- Jim Norris
Only at a distance, Mona.
- Steven Perez
NOPE
- Live4Emma (L4S)
I'll put up with it with women under 30. It doesn't age well. Not that women under 30 would have anything to do with me. ;)
- Oldengrey (Jay)
And its only yours and your hubby's opinon that matters on it jilly... ;o) so ya both got it right. :-D
- Rob Sellen :o)
i have a feeling you mean "pay attention to." low maintenance is likely preferable in itself, but a low maintenance person is easily dismissed. i know nothing of this area of life, though, so i'm just guessing.
- idnan
did ya tell him what ya love about him too? :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
There's nothing wrong with girls who like shiny things, but to me being "high maintenance" means that they're needy emotionally. Bad.
- Will Higgins™
disagree with Jason - I love to look at the high maintenance ones, and I like hanging out with them too.
- Anthony Citrano
Low maintenance with a splash of high maintenance in them. Not too much or i will leave them by the side of the road. (Maybe that is why i am still single)!
- Amani
TRUE
- rampantheart
FALSE
- Louis Gray
false
- cjmart
Tina hits it dead on. Although I've yet to met a female that is emotionally low maintenance. *ducks*
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I like women who are somewhere in the middle, not too needy, but not totally independent either.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I like them in the middle and on the side, too.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
+1 Oldengrey
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
A high-maint chick EXPECTS me to pay for her nails, hair and feet. A chick I would actually like APPRECIATES that kind of treatment.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I think girls should at least supply their own feet, Rah.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Well put, Rahsheen!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
And, the opposing question: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Totally depends on the guy. I myself, do.
- Daniel Miessler
another vote for Tinas comment, spot on!
- Peter Efland
Actually the answer is no. It kind of reminds me of this G4 thing about dealing with girls who are crazy, yet who are hot. So I say it's a personal scale with a crazy to hotness ratio. Usually 3:1. My scale would have to be 5:1 or 6:1 on that though.
- Shawn aka ringking
I'm with Shawn on this. She would have to be crazy hot to put up with any sort of insanity.
- ld
I meant my scale for maintenance is 5:1 :)
- Shawn aka ringking
False
- Alastair Montgomery
Yes and no, depends on what aspects are high maintenance.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
Totally False
- Charlie Anzman
False. Look for a fox with 3 or 4 brothers; she thinks she one of the boys..
- Phil Boiarski
false
- Juan Pablo González
I can emphatically tell you from personal experience with other men that this is patently false.
- Helen Sventitsky
False. But then I've only ever given my heart willingly to one girl, she's trouble but it's the spark within her that draws me to her. That and I'm trouble too so we're a great matching, it's never boring ;) I've had "high maintentance" girls apparently show interest in me, I say apparently because I never noticed it. I only know because others told me "you do know she likes you right?"
- alphaxion
False
- Alex Scoble
False
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Of course we like high maintenance women, do they come any other way? Seriously...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
High Maintenance is subjective. Most people are H.M. in regards to certain behaviors.
- George Smith
@J. Abdul-Qahhar Iknowright?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Not ... on ... your ... life.
- AJ Kohn
All girls get crazy at one point or another (You know it when the guy has the "what the fuck did I just do wrong but I didnt know I was doing wrong" look). High maintenance girls are just crazy more often including up to all the time.
- ld
i think the mechanism is that once you have sacrificed a lot to something - be it a demanding girl or a religion - you find it a lot harder to let go
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
false
- DGentry
false
- Nia
false
- Chris Hofmann
HUGE FALSE .... I'll take a gal in jeans .. and no makeup please
- johnpiercy
Me too, but ofcourse....
- Yuvi
i can barely maintain myself. how the heck am i supposed to deal with a high maintenance girl?
- Imabug
People say they want a girl in jeans and no makeup, but most of the times, that's false.
- Mona Nomura
It's not constrained to the bar scene - even the supermarket or a coffee shop, restaurant. Unfortunately, our society is driven by outward appearances.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
And the gym. Don't forget about the make-up worn at a place where it's intended for you to sweat.
- Katie: Witch Of The West
False. I drop HM girls like the brats they are.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
OMG There's nothing grosser than runny sweaty make-up LOL
- Mona Nomura
@Jilly I dunno. I like those girls, something sexy about it. :)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I don't get the make-up and working-out/playing sports. Girls would do their powder right before a soccer match and I would just gawk at them. Ewwww.
- Katie: Witch Of The West
There are two types of high maintenance: emotional and material. Emotional can be difficult but tend to be more intelligent and caring. Material tends to be superficial and cold. I prefer women who are emotionally high maintenance. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.
- Paul
Actually, I am caring but called cold, since I tend to be more rational than emotional.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
no way
- andy brudtkuhl
Not true. I dig girls in ponytail and jeans. Little makeup is perfect. I like knowing the truth in advertising so as to speak.
- ld
agreed re: makeup. i absolutely hate the look of lipstick (unless it's a natural color)
- cjmart
Jason, I find women that are emotionally high maintenance more passionate and romantic, which I'm attracted to being rather passionate and a bit of a romantic myself. Women and men who are materially high maintenance tend to use emotions and sensuality as bargaining chips.
- Paul
It may just come down to finding a compatible partner.
- Mona Nomura
True. True.
- Jauder Ho
if my wife had been high maintainance when we first met then she would never have become my wife.
- Joe Silence is not dead
False.
- Steve Isaacs
Truly False.
- Matt Griswold
If events like this were any indication then I would say the answer is true: http://is.gd/h0qL
- ronin
true, wish it were not so
- Dave Winer
false - can't be doing with high maintenance women, I need someone who is my equal.
- Andy Davies
That's what they all say!
- Mona Nomura
for a short period of time; True
- Mattb4rd
False
- Steve Rubel
This thread has become rather high maintenance
- Dennis O'Neil
high maintenance? no way, not a chance
- Jason Wehmhoener
FALSE. (they are good to look at)
- Valley
So.. talking about women like their a piece of machinery.. yep that's complimentary (?)
- Sean
I'm curious - how many blokes were absolutely honest in this thread?
- Sally Church
++ Sally LOL
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Mona, have been doing too much hand holding with buddies lately - they go for the pretty (but high maintenance) gal for their egos and secretly long for the low maintenance tomboy in a baseball cap. LOL or should that be a big sigh ;-)
- Sally Church
www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com that's to Sally's comment re: deserving each other.
- EricaJoy
Hahaha I love that site.
- Shawn Farner
here I'd I'd like to add a very wise & sage quote on what men want: "A Lady in the street & a freak in the bed, YEAH, YEAH...shorty got down..." - Usher Raymond. So yes guys wanna girl to show off.
- sofarsoShawn
Missed this one. And it certainly doesn't need another comment. But I will add that I am in NO position to determine what guys like. If I did, I might be somewhere else entirely.
- Martha
mona http://friendfeed.com/e... now what guy wouldn't want to take that &....?
- sofarsoShawn
wrong cause/effect interpretation. actually it's when guys like girls most, then they *become* high maintenance, not vice versa
- dave mcclure
That's just rude and taking advantage, Dave!
- Mona Nomura
guys like girls that look like they are high maintenance, but not the ones that actually are ;)
- xero
I would have to say it depends where the guys are from. In florida YES in Michigan NO. I don't know about everywhere else.
- Adriana
false!
- timepilot
Which is blogging platform is better and why: Blogger or Wordpress
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wordpress is much more flexible than blogger (blogger's only advantage is supporting google auth)
- Roman Zolotarev
Wordpress has all those popular plugins and I think more people use it than Blogger.
- TrafficBug
Most say Habari but i haven't try.
- Dario Salvelli
WordPress, same reasons as above.
- Kol Tregaskes
@eldon agreed with self-hosted wordpress... plugins and themes are crucial if you want more customization.
- Goktug Gedik
Wordpress is better in most respects, but I went with blogger. I can set up a custom domain name without having to pay for the privilege. If the blog generated revenue to pay its hosting costs, I'd likely move it to wordpress.com (I don't want to deal with self-hosting administrivia).
- DGentry
I vote blogger,that's easy enough,and good enough for most users.
- Chris Qie
Blogger is much easier for people who don't know shit about code.
- Orli Yakuel
i like blogger plus google apps for domain. lower cost and customizing code are the reasons. wordpress requires server and hosting knowledge (but wordpress plug-in is the wonderful, no doubt)
- ClubEddy - clubeddy.com
Agreeing with @Eldon. Self-hosted WordPress installs are extremely flexible, customizable, and have excellent feature documentation. Nearly every plugin imaginable is available for it and most seamlessly integrate with the platform.
- Glenn Batuyong
I love the flexibility of Wordpress. Although Blogger has improved, it just can' t match the features available in WP,
- Sharon Hurley Hall
Blogger for first-timers who are basically non-techie. Wordpress for just about anyone else. Drupal can be a blogging platform also, with highly flexible ways to build community, but there's a steep learning curve and more set-up time.
- Laura Norvig
Wordpress, because it's a lot more flexible and extensible. Unlike Blogger, you can host it on your own server.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Thanks for all the feedback on the blogging platforms. Much appreciated.
- Shawn Hickman
It depends on how you define 'better' and what your needs are. For the slightly techie blogger looking for self-hosting, Habari is a great choice, with great code and community, and hugely flexible extensibility, though lacking the breadth of themes and plugins at the moment. (I must disclose that I'm a Habari developer :)
- Michael C. Harris
Going to have to agree with the mass adoration of Wordpress, flexible, feature packed, extendable. Great to use
- Robert Davies
I have been using Blogger because it is simple and associated with Google which as lots of great stuff like Picasa and Google Docs. I do want a provider with some staying power. It does everything I need and can handle all kinds of media. I have learned to do small tweaks to the template. I do like what I see on WordPress and may start a project there for my education.
- John Foss
from twhirl
Self hosted Wordpress for sure with all the wonderful tweaking and plugins you can get free of charge
- Nestor
I'm a fan of self hosted Wordpress, especially for customizability. But if you're comparing Wordpress.com hosted to Blogger they are fairly similar.
- Justin Wah Kan
i'd guess neither
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Obama’s and His Secretive New BarackBerry. - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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"Ophone?" Why not the BarackBerry?
- John Craft
Yeah BarackBerry sounds better actually - am going to change it! :) Linked to you too, thank you
- Zee.
Are the nuke launch codes on speed dial?
- Jared B. Luther
I am going to call it barackberry from now on.
- the constant skeptic
@ecofied: I am overly ecstatic about friendfeed because it is better for conversations. Having conversations here is lame. Sorry, but true.
Nick Boucart, James Schipper, iSteeve and 33 other people liked this
I've never understood people's need to choose a side in fights for different space
- Matthew DeVries
Yeah, I'm starting to realise it, too.
- Joy-Mari Cloete
Joy-Mari ... Takes a little time but it's time well invested!
- Charlie Anzman
I don't understand why you're always complaining about the FriendFeed feature with the little blue t. It works fine for me.
- Bruce Lewis
you have to have the conversations where the people are, hence i still do it on twitter too
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Absolutely, Charlie. It helps that I imported all my Tweeple to FF yesterday.
- Joy-Mari Cloete
Tim: that isn't true, but I am tired of people telling me "I'm unsubscribing cause you're so noisy." They don't do that on friendfeed, even though I'm 200x noisier here. Why? Because the system is better. So, it's my little backlash against that community there.
- Robert Scoble
And I point out when some one has better technology and will never apologize for doing that. Friendfeed has threading. Twitter does not. Friendfeed is an aggregator. Twitter is not. Friendfeed has been down for, what, an hour in past year. Twitter? It goes down all the time. During the inauguration I saw the fail whale more than 10 times. So, do I wish harm on Twitter? No. Do I wish great success for friendfeed? Yes.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed will become the more powerful platform over time because they are less constrained in their format, and I believe in their business approach as well
- Michael VanDervort
It. doesn't. have. to. be one. or the other. Can we move on?
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Criticism should be viewed as a challenge for a service provider to improve. Could Twitter improve? Should they be more like FriendFeed? Yes to both. Nothing wrong with Robert pointing this out. Competition = innovation. There's lots of things Twitter could do right away to improve their service. Introducing a "hide" feature like FF, including images in the feed (perhaps as a user selected option to view a feed as text only or with images as well) would be two places that they might consider starting.
- Thomas Hawk
I am predicting a mass exodus from Twitter to Friendfeed during the coming year. FF is simply a much more brilliant piece of software for facilitating the kind of communication that Twitter is trying to enable (with both hands tied behind its back). Think of the movement from Gopher to the Web in ancient times.
- Sean McBride
I just found FF, but agree.
- Doug
I agree with Robert
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
Twitter and the law of propinquity - http://www.chiefmartec.com/2009...
Tyson Key, Kol Tregaskes, Daniel Rowley and 3 other people liked this
"As Twitter, FriendFeed, and so-called Enterprise 2.0 applications grow and advance — and as bandwidth increases to more fluidly incorporate real-time video in these multi-party impromptu gatherings — the dynamics of how we come to know and like people — and work effectively with them — seems poised to evolve as well."
- Jonathan Lee
FriendFeed: My Content Portal & Aggregator - http://shegeeks.net/friendf...
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Corvida, I've added you post to my FriendFeed PROs and CONs FF conversation here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- B2B Specialist
Nice list you have going there Chris! I'll have to take a look through it.
- Corvida
Corvida, great post. You should setup MediaRSS so that your blog posts include the pictures in the post.
- Alan Le
Thanks Alan. I went ahead and grabbed the WP plugin and it's installed now.
- Corvida
At http://www.kosmix.com/ -- you gotta watch this live at http://www.kyte.tv/channel...
Jon McCoubrey, Mathias Furevik, Scott Loftesness and 2 other people liked this
That service looks GREAT! Thanks. Robert!
- Doug
free hack to send emoticons on the iphone, just tried it, it works! http://i.gizmodo.com/5138107...
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BTW, the one thing in Mike Arrington's "intervention" post yesterday that deserves its own thread is the idea that we're pouring our creativity into someone else's product and getting bupkis for it. He's right and there's so much to say about this. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
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Here's the comment: "Meanwhile, all this attention from Robert has certainly helped the valuations of Friendfeed and Twitter. How much of that value does Robert receive? Zilch."
- Dave Winer
One thing I've learned is that when people pay nothing for your help they value it at $0. Ironically, if they pay you a lot of money for your advice, they really listen. That's why I'm not pouring my time into FF. I realized it was a one-way thing, and wasn't going to get any better. I did my own self-intervention.
- Dave Winer
*hands Dave 5 Linden dollars*
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@DaveWiner - It also means you are left out of the conversation if you don't participate.
- Dave Hodson
Awww. That's sweet but there's another way to look at it -- put your time where it's doing the most good. Aside from that I don't think conversation is that important. I think people totally misunderstood the Cluetrain concept of markets as conversations. But.. whatever. I feel like I'm living on time that was a gift -- so everything I get is a dividend. Happy holidays! :-)
- Dave Winer
@Sinterclas too funny!
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
The service is free, and we make all of the data available via the API. I like to think that the relationship between FriendFeed and its users is mutually beneficial. If there's something else that we should do for people (other than improving the product, which we're working on), please let me know.
- Paul Buchheit
I've made a good salary using products from other people, including those of Dave's. My current blog is hosted on wordpress.com which is a free server owned by Matt Mullenweg.
- Robert Scoble
A CHRISTMAS CAROL. Scrooge sat in front of his computer, the pale light lending a sallow cast to his complexion. "A merry Christmas, Mike!" cried a cheerful voice. It was the voice of his friend, Scoble. "I'm off to post on Friendfeed." "Bah!" said Scrooge, "Humbug!" "You don't mean that, Mike, I'm sure," Scoble said.
- Karim
"I do," replied Scrooge. "Friendfeed is a waste of time. You are adding valuation to something and receiving nothing in return. If I could work my will, every idiot who posts on Friendfeed would be shot like a dog in the street."
- Karim
"But Friendfeed is a fun place," Scoble insisted. "It is a good place with interesting people. And therefore, Mike, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!"
- Karim
"Humbug!" replied Scrooge.
- Karim
I understand what Dave means. I had an old washer that worked fine, but I wasn't using. I set it out by the road with a sign that said "Free. Works well." The washer sat there for a week. I changed the sign to "$50.00. Works well." The washer was gone the next morning. Humans perceive that they receive more if the price is higher.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
please, dave, start that discussion somewhere, because in a world where everything we do, every action we take, every minute we spend, is for sale, is only with a profit-making motive, then we're all just basically whores. and what a wonderful world it will be... (or already is?)
- .LAG liked that
Didn't Yahoo try that strategy with Microsoft? "$50 billion. Works well." The washer was still there, though... ;-)
- Karim
@Chris I could use the web app, or the built-in mail client, or even Thunderbird, but I choose Outlook. Partly because I paid for it and damn well am going to get my moneys worth!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@LAG ... and after 6 weeks most live-born mamals begin to use their eyes for the first time to explore their surroundings with a new perspective...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@Karim but mine wasn't the old ringer-type of washer ;)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@Chris and you feel that way because you did pay for the experience, not the other way around... ;)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Wow I just followed the top link and found myself reading Posts about Blogs vs. Comments and about Tweets vs FF Posts and I noodled back into Threads about Comments and followed further Wormholes, Rabbitholes, shiiiit. Talk about a circuitous conversation, yet -- all relevant, all entertaining.
- Marko Bon
Touche Chris. You are the exception that proves the theory...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
You aren't average...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
"How much of that value does Robert receive? Zilch." I believe this was better expressed by little Sally Brown at Christmas, when she told her brother Charlie, "All I want is what I have coming to me. All I want is my fair share."
- Karim
FF is a data flow. If you're subscribed correctly you gain from this data flow. The conversations are like annotations and sub-directories on this flow. The only way you get nothing is if you think your contribution is greater than the whole. For the literary types, think of an author without an editor. FF is the ultimate editor.
- AJ Kohn
Chris, not that I ever use that phrase :-) but this might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Karim
hmm....t'is an interesting discussion, on the night before christmas. from a branding point of view, if you give something away for free, there's no story to tell, no brand promise to make. it's free. take it or leave it. if you have a story that engages and moves people, you can charge a premium price. of all tech companies, it seems to me that Apple understands this best. maybe scoble should demand a cut for promoting services he likes, maybe FF,TT should start charging (for API at least). i dont know...
- .LAG liked that
I don't see the user-generated content paradigm disappearing anytime soon. Friendfeed provides the elegant interface, the users provide the content, the value is in the synergy between the two. Yes, the words of big name bloggers and other personalities have potential monetary value. If they want to hold their cards close to their chest, no one is stopping them.
- Laura Norvig
FF and Facebook and Twitter are training wheels for what we have to make work on the open Internet. We're creating an environment with the wrong incentives that concentrates power, and no matter how well-intentioned they are, history has shown, that doesn't turn out well. FF is nice, I've said so many times, but it is also a drug. I think Mike was joking, but he stumbled on a true and important insight.
- Dave Winer
I went to bed too soon! Thanks for jumping in Karim. @LAG if you remember the JPeterman catalogue, as skewered so well on Seinfeld, this is exactly to what Dave is referring. Gussy-up a flannel shirt with a fake story about climbing Peruvian mountains and then double the price of the shirt.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
+1 Dave
- Susan Beebe
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